What the Hell Happened to Travis Walton? W/ Christophe Jean and Dillon Smith

0:00In 2010, a family of four in California goes missing, and the clues left behind, send investigators on a years-long search. Is this a family on the run? Or is the truth far more sinister? From ABC Audio in 2020, this is what happens to the mixed days. Coming August 11th, wherever you get your podcasts, or subscribe to 2020 True Crime Plus on Apple Podcasts for ad-free episodes, early access to new episodes, and so much more. There are in her hands the entire time she's getting shot because I think that she was also getting tased at the same time. She's a... She kept grip. Yeah, she really went out, Dyson. Did they say what happened? Like, is she gonna have a psychotic bra? Yeah, she did, like, a few years in a row, and like, her family kind of like went to nothing to do with her. So... It would be so funny if we were here to talk about that and we dressed like this.

1:00Yeah, we're gonna talk about it. Maria Consuela was murdered on the streets of Times Square. Welcome back to Little Stakers. Thank you, Gorgie. Welcome back to Little Stakers. I'm Michael Rainey, my co-host Dylan Smith, and Kristoff Jean. Welcome. What's up, you guys? I'm co-host, I had the game on the floor. Yeah, my guest, I should say. Guest host. Guest host? Yeah, we're just talking, we're here to talk about something entirely different, but we cannot stop talking about the Times Square knife ofuela. Yeah. I'm vaguely familiar with the story other than she had a knife in Times Square. She had two. Kind of all the story was. Is that kind of the whole story? She had two. She wasn't back and down. It was real. Oh, she got it 31-year-old woman prior to go to the show. Oh, she killed someone. Yeah, two people, one of them, she killed a banking executive. So I don't know if that lay in front of you at all. I know last time I did this contest.

2:00Wasn't it a Luigi situation, was it? No. No. Not a Luigi situation. No, I don't think so. Do you think he, I already might be innocent. They might get him off. Is that true? He played guilty to a specific charge, which I think might get the death penalty off the table. Being gorgeous. Yeah, I'm like, God, when you saw him on five counts of being handsome, it was like, to me, I'd get him off. I'd get him off all day and night, dude. Deal, you look incredible, man. You look great. You look insane. Thanks, man. That was good, dude. I was praying that God Amazon would come today with all my shit with a bucket of paint in the light. The Amazon God smiled upon me and here we are. Yeah. God damn it. You should like, this for a deal and maybe you should key out yourself. Oh, man. I can't wait to know. Man, that'll be sick. And you could put anything you want on. Oh, you would be the invisible man with a jostle of your turtle neck. You could be just a floating set of silver hair. I'm down for that. And the palms. Yeah, oh my God. And the palms. Who painted you?

3:01You or your wife? A combination of me and my wife. Nice. That's nice. I just pray to God there's no like child emergency while I have this shit on. Like my son gets in a fight and school and I got to go there like, I think that this is a child emergency man. It's like imagine if you're getting walked in your dad's, get painted green. Yeah, on a regular basis, this is truly a house of horrors. But that's green. But I've seen such a big alien kick lately. You guys big alien guys. Do you answer? Am I a big alien guy not really to be honest? I'm like, I'm open though. I'm open for it. You're bi universal. I'm bi universal. I'm bi curious. Yeah. I was telling you, I'm not a big alien guy because my dad was such an alien guy that it really made it not cool. It was aliens and Frazier. I was like, I don't get it. I was like, all this shit sucks. Those are both great dad hobbies. Those are killer dad hobbies. Well, I mean, we can get into it later if you want.

4:02My dad claims to be abducted and like, no way. Yeah. Oh, come on. You have to talk about that. Please, let it rip. So, my dad claims that when he was about 12, he was in his home in long crest in Philadelphia. And he went to bed and then was lifted out of his bed, floated downstairs. And he heard a conversation between my grandma and my grandpa floated out the door, but he said he didn't, the door never opened. He just went through and then flew across the neighborhood and you could see like at the skyline of the city and everything like that. So fun. And it was alien. It was just through Kensington. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. It's like you're checking shit out. Yo. And. The only the thing that he the only thing that gets him any credibility on this is that he the next morning, he was telling my grandparents about it and they were like, yes, it was what they said. And they were like, well, how did you know? And he was like, I know about it.

5:02And they were like, well, you snuck downstairs and you listen to our conversation. He went, I swear to God, I didn't. And my grandma, I'm to this day kind of sticks up for him. But I also think that it's like, you know, like what we're going to talk about today, it's sort of like a hot bed frail in activity. Yeah. Like an Irish Catholic neighborhood in Philadelphia in the 70s with a hot bed for a molestation brought by a, you know, priest. So I really have a feeling that this is just his way of suppressing emotions. And I think that maybe my dad just got like kidnapped by like a priest. He was a kid. Yeah. He was being held by like, yeah, you know, fucking months in your morning, where was outside his window with a fucking boom box. And then his father O'Reilly was just holding him at his grandfathers. We're like, we get you guys get ho, you later what? And he's like, I heard you guys talk about it. Like, how did you know? Is your dad the kind of guy to ever deviate from like normal life stuff? Is this completely out of character for him? He's not fan to full. Yeah. Does he have flights of fancy?

6:05He looks star track when he was a kid. Like he's a star track guy. Doesn't care about star wars or anything like that. Interesting. Star wars like star track. And then other than that, he's just kind of like a like a Philly guy hangs at a bar, you know what I mean? Yeah sports. But so it is weird that he like is so hard pressed that he was abducted by his, but he's also he tell, he loves to tell a tale. He's a big fish kind of guy. Yeah. So he's like, you never, everything he says he'd take it with a grain of salt. Nice. But he had this one, this is like one story that he is. Doesn't pop out among other stories. So he's like, yeah, one time. For the fact that the none of the facts have changed. I traveled through time and then, oh, okay, he's the story right. He's consistent. Yeah, like he loves to embellish it. Yeah. This story I think is started so embellished that he can't, he can't make it any bigger. There were two aliens. Yeah. It's always just like it was just like these, the, it's the little Gray Man. That's like, you know, we're going to talk about. DC Little Gray Man. Whoa. They said they were in his room and they float, they floated him through their room.

7:08He said they were very nice. And then I thought, sweet enough. Sweet enough. And then we always asked him like, yeah, but they, they perved you right. I mean, but he gets, no, they didn't touch my ass. No, Dylan and I go, they touched your butt, I think. I think everybody, and I think some guys are just like, yeah, absolutely not. Like this is the case with this guy. Today's subject of Los thinkers is the Travis Walton disappearance. And Travis Walton is a guy who was abducted for a period of five days, but he swore it was a matter of hours. He swears there was no probing whatsoever. But he's like, let me make something abundantly. Yes. As soon as they found him naked, it was before we begin. First and foremost. Nah. First things first. Oh, man, that's, it's a hill to die on though, but isn't everybody else? How many claims are actual pro-banger? Is it like one of those? Yeah, what's percentage probe? All right. So I know of a handful of documented cases of people are just like, yeah, they're fucking

8:08probing me. It's not just anal probing, too. They probe vaginas too. They call it like vaginal scraping. And all the accounts just seem to add up to extraterrestrials trying to obtain medical information. It doesn't seem like they're like, they're like, hitting on your asshole. Yeah. Yeah. It does seem like there's a purpose behind what they're doing. They're being ages off. Yeah. Is aliens just do shing. Yeah. Well, earthly pH is a lot different from your pH. That's true. Fucking back the fuck up, dude. Yeah, this happened in November 5th, 1975. He would traverse was a part of a seven man logging crew in Turkey Springs, Arizona. And it seems like the ideal job. Imagine being out in the wilderness with six year boys. Nobody bothering you until you get abducted. There's pro-banger going on. There's pro-banger pre-alien. Yeah. Just chase halls fucking ripping all day. Logging and probing. They couldn't even probe them to the fucking think of falling out. They're like, this one's best, dude. Oh, my God. This one's ran through.

9:10Jesus Christ. Send him back. He's a slut. Do you think it'd be more devastating to be called ran through by an alien? By aliens, dude. I don't know what really hurt my feelings. Oh, my God. You look like you just been cracked. Did someone get here before us? So they were operating under a tree thinning contract that was provided by the US Forest Service. And this was an area. We're trying to trim the vegetation to give other trees more room to grow and not have so much so many different elements in the forest, sucking up so many different nutrients and then also for fire prevention services as well. And there were seven guys on the crew. The main guy was a fellow by the name of microaggers. Now all these guys ranged in age from 17 to 28. So they're all young, dumb and full of sap. So all these guys are just fucking rocking dudes. They're just out in the middle of nowhere. They did have trouble with retention of workers though. And that was something that comes in the place. So not all of these guys are best of friends.

10:12I had trouble with retention of come to the cat blend that loose. 17 year olds in the woods. These guys are jacking all of one everything. Yeah. Probably dude. Whoa. So the main guy in the form and I don't even want to ask the guy about aliens. I just want to be like, yeah, man. What was the like logging like the hot summer 75? Travis, nobody's out there with you. Where was it? Turkey Springs? Where? Arizona. Arizona. It's about 120 miles north east of Phoenix. Okay. Which is kind of fun because so many of these things seem to happen in the Southwest. Yeah, there is a yeah. Area 51. Area 51 right outside Rachel Nevada, which is a very cool town. They embraced the whole alien. Yeah, they went into it. The one place I stopped when I went out there is a little spot where you can get a few beers called the little ale in little alien. Pretty sweet right? I like that. Yeah, they don't like you filming in there, but they do want you to believe in aliens. They don't like you filming in there? No, that's so funny. No, wait. Hey, take us seriously.

11:13Yeah, what do you go to film? They have specimens. What do you got? What do you got to release to the public at the little alien? It's probably all the illegal immigrants working behind the camera. They're going to do it. They're going to do a lot of aliens. The whole kitchen's aliens. And this was in an area called the Apache Sick Greaves National Forest. Beautiful spot. Seven guys on this crew, Mike Rogers, was the foreman. Travis Walton was a saw guy who worked on the crew. There were three saw guys. Travis was one of them. He was pretty tight with Mike Rogers. Ken Peterson was another guy who was tight with Travis Walton and Mike Rogers. So out of the seven guys, those guys, those three guys are the closest. And I think it's important to establish the dynamic because when they all report what happened, they all have the same story. Oh, shit. So three guys have been friends for a while. Two of the guys, Alan Dallas and John Goulet, they've been aware of the guys and they worked together for a while. But Alan Dallas is a guy who had beef with Travis Walton.

12:16So he's got nothing to gain by vouching for Travis Walton in this situation. And then the two young guys, Dwayne Smith and Steve Pierce, 1917, they've been on the crew for a matter of days. And the one guy was only on the crew for like two days. So those two guys, they have nothing to gain by vouching for Travis Walton. Yeah. So the job was to cut small trees and brush and stack them into slash piles, which they would then gather up and then get rid of. And they had 1277 acres that they were responsible for. An important thing to note is that they were behind schedule and they had already gotten an extension. So the clock was ticking and what this would mean if they weren't able to complete the job, it might prevent future work. And it would just, there's no way these guys would be able to provide because, you know, work was hard to come by in this town. So they're already behind schedule. They had already been extended. Morale was low. And Mike Rogers, he had years of far-steading experience, very close to Travis and Travis was married to Mike's sister Dana.

13:19Justin Peterson, he was known to be quiet in polite, not a guy known to tell tales, which I think is also important to note that none of these guys were just known to fuck around and just make shit up. Although, Travis had been busted before for writing bad checks. So how old's Travis? At this point, 22. Damn, he already got busted for writing bad checks at 22. 22? Well, 2008, I was writing bad checks. Because you know, Walmart, they give you cash back when you're ready to check. I was writing checks in 2008, so I guess it was 30. Writing bad checks. That seems like more of an age where you're writing bad checks. Yeah, that's a bad, you got pills to pay. And they got to be honest, if you came to me and said that you were a Dr. Vialions, I wouldn't believe you. You would not? No. You wouldn't believe Mike if you was a Dr. Vialions? Absolutely. If he sat me in the end of the day. He didn't look at me. Look at him. That just happened, naturally. I had to live amongst them. Yeah. I don't know. Would you believe me if I said you down?

14:21If you said you down and I was like, yo, dude, you're the only guy I can possibly tell this to. I think a lot of it would depend upon your demeanor, just like Travis is, because even to this day, it's been 51 years since this happened, you can still sense the fear in him as he tells his story. And dude, it doesn't even seem like he's being entirely forthcoming. I don't think he's being evasive relying, but details he doesn't want to share. There's things he doesn't want to let out. The only reason why he's sharing a lot of this shit, at one point, he was brought under the control of a hypnotist. Well. And at that point, that's when the floodgates kind of opened and that allowed him to just be really forthcoming with what happened aboard this spacecraft. Damn. Okay. So 6 p.m. on this particular night, they're finished work for the day. They load the gear into the truck and they're in Mike Rogers truck. And it is a 1964 crew cab pickup truck. Yeah. Pretty sick, man. This thing, it's got a front and a back seat in addition to the bed. Yeah. It's about that for an hour and a half.

15:22When I looked at the thing up, Dylan, it was like, I don't have a fucking dream car, but this is the kind of thing that I would love to gather six friends in and just drive around the woods and do whatever. Do whatever guys do in the woods. Do whatever guys do in the woods. When I worked for the Sheeb metal company, we had one crew, uh, crew, crew cab truck that we like kind of rode for a two hour drive and it was so much fun. Oh, I miss it. Are you a smoker or have you ever been? No, I like cigars. No, no, no, Sigs. Okay. Italian, I guess some Italian in your blood. I know you're going to be 95% Irish, but I'm 95% Irish, 5% galactic. I don't know. Some people say they can see the galactic. You're in drovada. Andrew median. It's the milky in my Milky Way blog. Do you guys see Bagonia? No. No. Great movie. You got to watch Bagonia. No, I love stuff. We're on the alien to Tim. It's an alien movie? Yeah. Dude, the amount of different things I've heard what this movie is.

16:22It makes you go. The Kidnapper, a female executive in a stone because they believe she's an alien. Oh, yes. Okay. Like the inciting incident of the old thing. And the sentence? Yeah. And Jesse Pleumann plays the guy who believes he's an alien. He's unbelievable. He should have won like six Oscars. He was my favorite. Terrific guy ever. Hell yeah. Unbelievable. Why do you ask? Why do you ask who I smoke? Oh, because I was going to bring this up. So the reason for the configuration as to how the guys were arranged in the truck was non-smokers in the front. Smokers in the back seat. It entails out. Yeah. So in the front seat was Mike Rogers, Ken Peterson and Travis Walton. In the front seat, Travis is in the passenger seat, which is important to know. The other four guys are in the back seat. They're all smokers. They shut it down at 6 p.m. They're all wide awake. Travis said that on the commute to the job site, a lot of guys would often doze off on the ride, becoming home. Everybody was fired up. Everybody was alert and had their wits about them.

17:25They're going no more than five miles per hour down the road because the terrain's so rough. Yeah. It's a dirt road. They only make it a few hundred yards before they see a golden glow coming through the trees. They can't quite make out what it is. It's the sun. What? One of the guys says he's like, I thought it was the sunset and until we started to get a little bit closer and then as they get closer, one of the guys like, is that a fucking plane that crashed into the tree line? Wow. He really has any idea as to exactly what's happening here. The guys on the right side of the truck have the best view of whatever the fuck this thing is. This thing's light is so bright that it's illuminating the road in front of them. There's no thought of stopping. They're just all like the driver, Mike Rogers instinctively. He wants to get closer and everybody's just locked in on this fucking thing now. They get through the area that's blocking their view. The tree line is blocking their view until they get to a point where there's a clearing. As they get to a clearing, they're about 75 feet away when they're all able to recognize

18:30that this is a disc-like shaped object. It's 15 foot wide and eight feet off the ground. Once they all recognize the holy shit, this is a fucking flying saucer. The truck comes to a stop and they're just all just mystified as to what they're seeing right now. Is there seven guys all confirmed they all saw this? Seven guys all saw this and not all of them were the best of fucking buddies. Yeah, that's crazy. I also think, would you stop? Maybe, yeah. You think you'd stop? I think because here you don't think it's aliens right away. You just think like, well, there's like something going on in the woods. I'd love to see what this is. Yeah, there's no party that goes, mm-hmm. Well, they said it. They just keep going. I watch this and then, Mike Rogers. I watch his interview with Rogen and I think he said from a distance, he was like, oh, that's no big deal. It's just some lights in the woods and he was like, that's probably a deer hunting camp. Oh, okay. So then they were like, but then as they got closer to it, it became bigger and bigger.

19:33And it's like, yeah, I think your curiosity's going to peak you. You got to go and see. Yeah. Would you just keep driving? I feel like that would kill you for the rest of your life. Like, what the fuck was that thing? Yeah, I probably would check it out. Yeah. I was curious if you guys were just like, hell, no. No. No, I think I would definitely check it out. Everything they do. You would probably do something the average person will do. Yeah, because I wouldn't be scared. Yeah. If I'm just logging, I'm like, what's going on? There's no way that they thought that it was aliens right away, right? Well, Travis is an alien aficionado. He, his mother and his brother really enjoy talking about aliens. So that is something which contributes to people thinking he might be a little bit of a fibromyalgia. Right. The red flag to me. It was already obsessed with aliens and then he saw something and then it just confirms his existing beliefs. So that's like, he's definitely not a scale for that reason. Yeah. Because he has also not only prior interest, but he says later on that he has experience before this event and after the event with alien life forms. Okay. Exciting UFOs. Yeah.

20:33Damn. And he did specifically say as well that he doesn't like talking about those other ones because they seem to discredit this one. And it's like man, you're playing a lot of games with your stories, dude. Yeah, that's a little tricky. I don't know. I heard the man talk about it. Why would, okay, this is what I always wonder. This is the biggest red flag with the alien stuff. Why, why Travis, whatever? Like why this guy? Well, he doesn't see particular the interesting, but you know, why, why there is a reason? Why wouldn't you have duck like, you know, fucking Carl Sagan. So I think it's probably next in the story. It is. He's very handsome. He's got a great mustache. He's gorgeous. He was good looking. He was a hot young man. He was a hot young guy. I think that makes me more on his side because how young guys they have no reason to lie about this kind of thing. And he's dressed like Paul Bunyan. It's like I could have ducked by aliens. It's so I can, you know, have a conversation with strangers because they get nervous. Take a piece home. That's somebody bring up a mom. You like to get him on the fucking ship.

21:33But you can't, but you won't believe who I propped. It's because when he's the only one out of all of them that had the balls to approach it. He approached you got the closest. You got super close. Yeah. Like eventually comes to a stop. They all are just like, yeah, this is definitely a flying saucer. Travis Walton gets out of the truck and he starts approaching it. So there's a pile of branches and trees that they had cut down that are close to the UFO. So it's like, it's under and forward of where the UFO is. And he's standing under it. And as he's like looking at it, you start to see a beeping or you hear a beeping or a warning sound and then everybody reports hearing like a generator starting. And as the generator starts, this fucking thing starts to wobble and then a bright blue, green light fucking zaps him. And they seem to think it's because he got close to it and everybody else at least stayed like a safe way. He gets fucking zapped and he gets thrown backwards.

22:34Well, yeah, it's real spooky shit. There's actually a movie fire in the sky, which they take some creative license with this story. But this part is one of the parts that seems like pretty true to form and they actually do a really good job of like really being compelling and pulling you into this shit. Yeah, they say he got thrown back 10 feet in the air. They were like, he's soared backwards. Damn. Yeah, and he got thrown back to like this slash pile, they called it. And Mike Rogers was beef. He didn't see him get thrown. He was starting up the truck to get the fuck out of there. Yeah. So, but he did see, he did see him get zapped mid air. And the only one that sees him hit the ground is one of the guys sees him hit the ground. They see where he falls. So that's important to note for frame of reference when they eventually do go back to go to look for him. The crew bails immediately. So everybody else is still in the truck as soon as like all this shit happens, they fucking floor it and they get out of there. They didn't go out for a boy. They just left him. They come back for him. Okay. Yeah, this is one thing, especially like when you see it, like you see them debating

23:35in the truck and you hear them saying all the points is to why they should stay, why they should go. And there's nothing in this. Nothing that happens. If we go up there, we're going to get zapped too is like the logic. Yeah. Yeah. He just went close. He got zapped. Let's not get close. And it's scary. He said if we stay there could be trouble, but if we go there could be double. So Mike Rogers, that's the needle drop in fire. Just burn it right here. Right here. I mean, that was sick on its own, but you saying that in that mask makes it. That's a tie-fucked matter. Have you guys read a roadside picnic? No, what is that? It's an old sci-fi book. They made the movie Stalker about it. You were seeing the movie Stalker. Great movie. It's Tarkovsky. You're Tarkovsky, guy. So really good movie, but the book's very different, but there's a similar golden orb in it. It's like an alien golden orb thing is like the center of the book. It's pretty cool. I think it's pretty interesting though that there were two different forms of light.

24:36One is when they just see it. They saw it as they approached it. And when it seemed to become aware of them, the light that actually fucking tapped them was an entirely different light. Yeah. His description of the actual thing was, is that it's like kind of a goldish type of light, but it seemed like all the whole thing was kind of covered in lights. And then there were very small parts where it was just void of light. So there was just no color. It was darkness. Yeah. So there's just like light with pieces of dark, not exactly dark pieces of light. That makes sense. It's not project. Like the pixels are off. Yeah, it wasn't projecting light either. There was no like rays of light. He said that it seemed like everything was kind of covered in a hue and almost like a fog of light. One of the neat things about the way people describe this ship, there's a cool interview on there's a YouTube channel called Area 52. It's like the best alien ship that I've watched. But one of the really cool interviews is Travis Walton talking to this guy, Bob Lazar, who was a scientist who worked at this place called site number three, which was close

25:37to Area 51. Yeah, I've heard of Lazar. He's a super interesting guy. And his job was to, he was a part of a team which reverse engineered any of these unidentified flying objects that the government was able to get their hands on. And one of the things that he mentioned in an interview that I watched was he's like, when you see this shit, some of the stuff there's a frame of reference for it, but there's some stuff that is just so clearly out, literally out of this world that you're just like, I have no idea how to even begin to fucking describe this thing. Yeah. Let alone like the functionality of it, right? So when Travis gets fucking zapped, the crew bales, they only drive a few minutes away. The entire time they're driving away, they're fighting. Then eventually, my garage is like, I cannot leave my friend Travis Walton out there. They return about 15 minutes later, but when they get back to the site where Travis got zapped, he's gone. They have no idea where the fuck this guy is. They search for him for a couple hours. Roughly two hours had passed before they say, fuck it, we're heading into town.

26:40The closest town is called Heber, Arizona. And at that point, they let the cops know what happened and they're just like, the entire time they're going there, they're like, nobody's going to believe what we're telling them. They're going to think that we killed this fucking guy. We killed this fucking guy or we butt fucked him to death. This has got to be like, if you're a cop in this, they find him like his charred body and they're like, butt fucked of death. He's seen it a thousand times, damn it. BFGD. Herbert takes another one. Yeah. This is Tommy Lee Jones from no country. At least I don't understand what this world is coming to. It's funny. Tommy Lee Jones, it's James Garner plays the sheriff in this movie that they made about a called Fire in the Sky. Did you check that out yet? No. It's pretty neat. Like I said, they do take some liberties, especially with the ending and what happened onboard the ship. But by and large, it seems to be what Travis's description of how people reacted to this. But his reception was when he came back and he said that this was the kind of shit that

27:41he had endured. And it's definitely worth watching. And it was based off a book which he wrote called The Walton Experience. Which is like, yeah, you've ever seen The Walton Experience are opening for fucking time. For example, it's a fucking guy. He's dressed exactly like me and Mike. And, how can I... The sheriff part of it's one of my favorite parts of the story because they obviously go to the sheriff. And they're like, well, they're like you said, he's going to think that we murdered him and are trying to cover it up. They get to the sheriff's office, the sheriff goes, you guys saw that fucking yellow war, huh? Oh, really? Seeing that thing for 10 years. And then he immediately calls in a full helicopter search forum, search party forum. And he takes it super seriously. Wow. There's, yeah, there's like almost immediately there's a group called the APRO which they investigate alien shit. And they become involved in the search too. And I think that's a, that's a, that's a, it's best case scenario. That's a volunteer. Yeah. That's not an official thing, is it?

28:41That's just a bunch of bros. It's an offshoot of Peter. Where the APRO. Yeah, I don't know if they're, I don't know if they're, their government funded by it. There's a lot of guys with ponytails like, we're, we're voices. Yeah. And just shit in the corners of their mouths. Yeah. There's a lot of guys with crusty lips and ponytails. But how sick is that? It's like they're like, all right. Well, everyone's going to think we're crazy. And then the first government official that they speak to, like I was calling you. That's all the orbs too. Fucking dammit. Not the orbs again. I'm sick of these goddamn alien. I'm going to do something about it. Someone's got to do something about this. And then I also thought about like, actually, because it's just, this is very movie-esque. I understand why they made a movie about it because I bet like that share I've had to call in like the alien investigator guys. And he probably even also tried to get like, call like his congressmen or something about it. Yeah. And then I think the thing to make that phone call is so funny to be like, well, then you have the classic movie moment of like, oh, this sheriff again. Exactly. You know, he answers the phone. Oh, is there a mystical orb of golden lights?

29:42Yeah. Bro, they had an issue, especially with Travis's family of being prank called during this whole time. Oh, I can't imagine. And uh, uh, is your refrigerator running? How's your butthole? I would just breathe really having to go, I have Travis. We have drivers. We have drivers. Travis, it works for dinner. Hey, Snickers, I just want to let you know our dear friend Sam Talon, comedian host of the Chubby Behemoth podcast at all. They're the best selling book running the light has graced us with his next book, Brute. In this book, you follow a hitman to Paris for one last job, baby. Brute is available now for pre-order, consult your local bookstore or anywhere books are sold. Brute is available everywhere on September 22nd. Help an old gun slinger out pre-order Brute by Sam Talon today. Sam rules Sam has a better command of the English language than any other person that I've ever encountered. His first book was incredible and I know this one's going to be even better. So check out Brute by Sam Talon today.

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31:46Varies by state. But it was pretty sick that the aerial phenomenon research organization was kind of on the case right away. But pretty quickly people are just like, oh yeah, they're trying to help find Travis. But as the days progressed, November 6 is the first major search day. So people from all around town, cops, fucking forest cops, volunteers, they're all out looking for this fucking guy. And then by the end of that day, the crew, everybody's just like, yeah, these guys clearly fucking killed them. And they're not telling us what happened. Fuck. Even Travis's brother. Yeah. It's really for a guy that believes in aliens or seems to believe in aliens, it's kind of fucked up how quickly he went to like, yeah, they killed him. Well, because it's like aliens are all fun and game until your brother's missing for fucking five days. And then you're like, well, he's for sure in that wood pile. He showed up to the logging site and told everyone to get the fuck out of his way. I'm checking that wood pile. Yeah. And he checked through the brush pile and he said he wasn't there. There's a pretty interesting thing about that area where he disappeared is like there's

32:47the way the trees, there was accelerated tree growth for 15 years from 1975 to 1990. And it's weird. It's like they show like the rings of the tree and it's all like moving away from where this thing was apparently situated. Yeah, the trees are trying to get away. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, pretty sick. The Lorax was all of the things. And the trees were like, so everybody's suspecting these fucking six guys and they're demanding they take polygraphs, which how do you guys feel about polygraphs? I'm like pretty skeptical, aren't they not that efficient or whatever? I don't even think they're admissible in court. That's what I heard about them, but I don't, I'm no polygraph expert. But again, this was not just any fun. I heard it's like this detail of a case that doesn't really contribute it. It's not a make a break. Like if the polygraph comes up true or false, it doesn't mean anything like in terms of like how a jury will decide. It's 100% for like the court of public opinion. I think I don't think it is. Right. You can see the total just like a like vanity almost or whatever the word is like just

33:50a spectacle to show people like look at the shiny polygraph. Yeah, but I understand if you're like, I need to prove myself that I'm not lying and then you're like, well, kind of we all have this weird mythos that this thing is the lie detector, which is kind of a ridiculous name for a thing anyway. Yeah. Because it really just, it just checks your heart rate. Right. It sounds like something from like a Twilight Zone. Yeah. We have the lie detector. It's from the future. I think it would be a better gauge of guilt if they hook the do you mean this? Yeah, really because if you're if you're getting sexually excited by telling this story about for trying your tail, I think that's more negative of whether you've got fucking it. They had 17 year olds in the logging forest. Do you think that these guys weren't going to get a little chubbed up while telling their fucking? That is an excellent point. It's like it's not going to be about the other. It's going to be about everything that led up to it. We were in the crew cab. I'm just kidding. I was smoking a sig. We had the 17 year old in the middle. He jacked off the 19 year old and the 23 year old. What was I going to ask?

34:52Oh, so did they so they checked the wood pile. There's nothing there that like there's nothing. There's nothing. No remnants of this guy. There's nothing. There's nothing. Okay. And then now now he's gone and then he reports what how he's come back. Oh, dude. So there we're going to shift gears now to him being zapped up to the fucking ship. Yeah. This comes to he was knocked out when he comes to he said he awakens on the table and his first thought is that I'm in a medical setting. Yeah. So he thinks he's he's in a hospital. He's in a hospital. They're treating him for whatever the fuck just happened. He recalls being weak and sore. He recalls there being a pain in his chest and he says the air is warm and heavy. It's like I think I'm in the hospital, but I can't be sure. As he's trying to figure out where the fuck he is, he says that three short beings enter the room and they're each four or five feet tall. Short kings. Yeah. Three short kings enter the room. They have large bald heads and they have large dark eyes like our friend over here.

35:53Are they gray? No, they're gray. Yeah, gray. So nobody in this is green. Damn. I know. They're basically out in the air. They're basically our version of Puerto Ricans. Oh, we send them to go get the loggers. Okay. That's the other thing too is like people always say they're little gray guys with big heads and big eyes or whatever. And it's like, you know, you're seeing the same thing or are you just like saying what you saw? Like I think about that. Like you guys ever smoked DMT before because you see the same stuff or people report back the same stuff. But are you just hearing someone else do it and then doing it and then seeing it? I think that that's fair. It's like kind of like the innate fear of snakes. Right. And they are sort of like snake people. Snake-ish. Yeah, they have like the big heads and the big eyes like a fucking snake. My thing. And they're like, yeah, even D or whatever, ovular. So you have these, they're five foot, they're gray. They have giant bulbous heads. Small nose and mouth by the way. Small nose and mouth and tail skin.

36:55Pale skin and then they're also wearing seamless orange jumpsuits. All of them are wearing the same thing. The prisoners. They're prisoners. They're four kings locked up. They made them do a NBC day fine. They made them do a kings locked up. They said get up, do 88 burpees right now. Do three push-ups in a backflip and that's one rep. But alien fucking gangs. Do Calisthenic, like Calisthenic prison guys love to say that's one rep. It's like their favorite thing to do. They do nine pull-ups and then five one handed push-ups and then four backflips and like, and that's one. That's funny. You can go to the fucking. They go, don't pretend. They go, but you're only supposed to be doing like three reps a day. So, that's like, yeah, okay. You just call it fucking 28 reps, this is different. It drives me nuts anytime one of those videos pops up on Instagram because it's like, bro, you don't have to boil ramen in a fucking sneaker anymore. Oh, yeah, when they do. Like go to McDonald's, man. No, I like that. Yeah, well they do that. I like that.

37:55I like the little document Terry aspect of it. They'll be like, this is how we used to make a burrito. And like, this is a burrito. And you're like, it's mashed up hot cheetos wrapped around spam and you're like, that's a burrito. With mayonnaise and like, ramen seasoning packets. I'm like, how do you guys not die of some sort of salt overdose? Oh my god. Like, how does your blood not like pudding texture after this? Imagine shitting in the same room as a dude who just ate that. Do you just, imagine shitting at all. I feel like I would never shit. Oh, it's like a point. It's pure carbs and fat. There's not an ounce of fiber in any of that stuff. How do you poop? You might not poop for days. You probably just go sit on the toilet just to sit and stare at the guy across from you. Yeah. Just mean mug him. That's how I was in Marine Boo Camp. The toilets were all aligned with no partition. You were just, it's face to face. Dude, you were shitting next to somebody and across from somebody at all times. Did you? Oh my god. Hey. Hey, where you at? Where you able to? Hey. Did you ever have like a real problem with that? No, I was good. That's crazy.

38:55I wouldn't mind shitting in front of another man. It was fine. I'd be fine. I'm not shit shy or piss shy. I can be. I can be my pants right now if I wanted to. I can get Pish. I can. Shit shy. Every single time I have to shit publicly, it's like a fucking, it's always an emergency. So you can't really be shy. It's going to happen. But Pish, I'll get stopped up quick. I can let it rip at all times. You can let it rip at all times. Do you put me on a fucking alien ship and I'll just let it rip right away? I can let it rip at all times. I can lay out. I can lay out. I can lay out. I can lay out. I can lay out. Because like our, urinals didn't have partitions and like if you were taking a piss, it was like you're getting kicked into the urinal. Oh Jesus. Yeah, like it was mean. It was like a mean. Yeah, it was an all-boy school. So it's just like you were getting like, do like walk it up, dancing you and like doing and it's just like, yeah, you end up becoming your urinal trauma. You're in a fight or flight situation every time you have to take a piss. Yeah, you're in okay. You get the chills. You're in a terrible case. You're afraid of urinal kicks out, dude.

39:58No. You know how they taste. Oh man, my birthday is on, on Labor Day. It'd be funny if my girlfriend gave me a birthday. You get your urinal kick with a urinal. What the calm kicks? That was a mistake. So Travis is surrounded by four and five feet tall beings and he recalls them looking like human fetuses. Sure. Which is utterly terrifying to think that when you're discombobulated into all these prison fetuses, the children come in to inspect you. Yeah, they're doing burpees. They look like fetuses. This was the one point that I want to say that I always kind of freak out about aliens is if they're from a different planet, then how come they're always bipedal? Well, do you know why humans are bipedal? Because of a very long and intricate and almost like, the answer's got made us that way. But it's like, we evolutionary got to hear, like we got to hear throughout a ton of things happening. The idea that they would also happen to have gone that way.

41:01It would make more sense to me if he was like, if you're using tools, if you use tools then bipedal is kind of the only way to go. Oh, okay. So you're saying that the idea, it's not the fact that like, it's the fact that kind of only people who would be bipedal would be able to create like a craft like that and go crazy. Yeah, because if you're on, on all fours, you probably don't have a thumbs. Yeah. There's no like, like you ever see like even like a raccoon has thumbs, right? And when they eat something though, they they have it like this. I guess they don't have it in two hands like this. So they have to at least functionally be a little bipedal for a little while, right? They can't. There's no use of thumbs if you're back to the whatever. Okay. So tools, from what I understand, the crux of like bipedal is, you basically, we became like a persistence hunters. So we just chase it and chase it and chase it. And then if you're bipedal, you, if you're back to the sun, then that's way more heat on you. But this is like, think about what's exposed to the sun compared to like a barrel of

42:04back. Beaming down, right? And then now we're bipedal. It also frees up our hands to like make a spear, make a whatever. Like now we have the stuff in our hands more of into fucking thumbs. And then next thing, you know, we're fucking, we got it, both arrows. Do you think it could also be like more or less like functionality and more of like a communication so that people are able to recognize them at some point, as opposed to just coming in as like some kind of like life form that's unrecognizable and adding to like the fear of the situation. You're thinking of it. That's right. As if their evolution is based on them showing themselves to us, you know what I mean? They're lives or not. If they had like, if they're a hyper advanced, right, they could probably like shape shift into anything. That's like a common thing in sci-fi where it's, yeah. I mean, they South Park did the joke about it where it's like a, it's a, it's a, it's a taco that shits ice cream or whatever. True. Yeah. Yeah. So like they're like, oh, don't, you don't have to do that thing. Like it's the bit is you don't have to do that. You don't have to shift into something we like and then it shows that it's real form and it's just disgusting mass of like goo and like, oh fuck, yeah, you know, go, go back.

43:07And I do think shape shift thing also comes into story. So a, a, a, a, Christoph has this, you sold me on aliens, by the way. Oh, thanks. Oh, my, but you completely, maybe believe the bipedal thing. Yeah, bipedal is the most logical if you're using tools, but that's also like what's it called, like hindsight bias. There could be another way that I just don't, couldn't think of true. But I'm more into if there are some like what I kind of buy into is the stuff like you were talking about earlier is that it's so advanced. It makes absolutely no fucking sense. Like to me, the most believable alien would be like so hyper that is here. It can be here and like, because what's the thing? There's a word. There's like a theory for it. I forget the word for it. But like the next closest aliens would be so far away that in order to like travel to us, it's just never going to happen. Yeah. Because the universe is so big and technology is so limited that it'll never really be physically possible to like go galaxies away. Yeah. You know?

44:08So the only ones I kind of go that could be something like is, oh, it was a fucking orb of light. Like, they're so advanced. Their evolution is like a million years past hours, they turn it to non physical entities there. You know, they can go between, they can exist in the eighth dimension. Like that kind of stuff makes more sense. It's so out of the realm of human possibility that I can kind of like you can't not, yeah, you can't fully disagree with an orb of you. You know what I mean? You can't be like, well, that's not physically possible. It's like, yeah, that's the whole point. That's why I thought it was a fucking alien. You know what I mean? So he's on the, he's in the little rectangular medical room and the guys walking. Yeah, the guys walk in all these giant babies in jumpsuits coming in. And eventually he spooks, he snaps, he jumps up, he grabs the first object he can see and he holds it in a defensive posture. At that point, the fucking giant alien babies are just like, oh, I fucked this, we're out. They end up leaving the room. So fun.

45:08Having aliens rather than stand and square up if you just walk out, might be the most humorous thing they can do. They've got to. It's very funny. It's like, even on their planet or whatever, they understand that if something is bigger than you, it's your fucked. If something's bigger than you and it's holding, I think he said he had a wrench. He had a solid glass rod. So he's like, I just picked up a glass rod and it's like, oh, great. So even there like fuck, he could shank me. He could use it. He's in my little brain. This fucking psych goes, he's going to break it in half and he's going to go like, this really fast. He's going to do fucking, he's going to do like British pub glassing on me. Oh my god. He's fucking. He's got to be the most embarrassing thing that could happen to you as an intergalactic pain. You just get stabbed by a guy and the fucking the phoenix. The hairy guy, the hairy little guy got you. Just some dude in the Kyler Murray Jersey getting stabbing you with a fucking shattered piece of glass. But when they leave the room, he decides to walk around.

46:09So he's exploring this ship and he describes smooth walls and curved passageways, which is the same way that I describe my wife's pussy. Oh my god. And also weird architecture, which is how you describe it. It's bitch has an all. I'm going to have my girlfriend with that one. You're fucking built weird architecture. That bitch got weird architecture. Post-mortem. And that pussy like an MC S was drawing. Impossible shape. But he eventually just wanders around, which is kind of cool that they allow him to do this. I don't think they had a choice. He had a glass rod and he was fucking did two feet on. It's so fun to think though that these are just supremely intelligent beings, but then they're just incapacitated by a fucking rock and dude with a rod. He ends up at a control room and the way you describe it is actually kind of beautiful. He's like as I enter this control room, I feel like I'm either looking at a projection

47:13of the universe or I'm just surrounded by stars. Isn't that lovely? That's beautiful. That really is beautiful. And he says he sits down and he starts touching controls. And at a certain point, he's just like all right, it might not be my best interest to touch all the shit because I have no idea what I'm touching. But it just speaks volumes to like what he is. He's like these are the guy who got out and observed the fucking thing that was floating before him. They could conceivably crush him. And he's like, all right, fuck it. I'm just going to keep fucking around. Yeah, he's a curious little kid. He is a little curious little monkey. But to be fair, every blue collar guy, I know he sees something and he goes, I could fucking drive that. I can drive that. What's that? Milwaukee? Literally, dude, I've seen dudes walk by like cranes and he goes, you know, it being that big doesn't mean anything. It's like I can drive that because I know how that works. Yeah, no you fucking can't. They work to backhoe one summer. Exactly. Yeah, I could probably do industrial cranes. Great. Every single time I see a tractor, I go, I could drive that tractor. I know how to drive that tractor.

48:13I do think this is a male female divide, but I was talking, I was randomly talking to my lady because there was like a big construction set or construction site and yeah, one of those big ass cranes and I go, does she look at that crane man be like, that would be the sick is job and the fucking world giant crane job? Yeah, no. Oh, they have no idea what you're talking about. And then he says, it was like I was like, what? You don't see giant crane ago. I would like to, what if there's a wrecking ball at the end of it and get paid 50 bucks an hour? Yeah, come on. And their hours are the best in any blue college job. Good thing, guy. They don't, they can't work too long. Crane operator is an unbelievable gig. Yeah. I've been practicing at our kids. I did win a shiny Charizard in Chinatown. Whoa. So, got that going. There was a Chinatown here? No, it was in Queens. Oh, yeah. Call it Kings. Yep. Not only when Chris does that. Did you? I want it in like three tries.

49:13I was actually pretty proud of myself. That's really impressive. Yeah. So you both in a shiny Charizard plushie? You could definitely drive this baby. I could probably drive this baby. If I did, I like that he went and he said he'd drive it, but he said he immediately, he said there was a handle there and he pushed it forward and then the room, like the projection in the room started spinning. Super fast. He said I got a headache. And he said he got a headache and he's like, I got a pull back. I love the idea of these like these sweet beings who are just fucking around on this planet, just having their entire world turned upside down by this fucking guy. Yeah, he really just fucking with their shit. I think he was probably getting it a little over his head even though he said he decided to stop fucking with everything. He said at a certain point a tall well-built man in a fitted blue outfit came in and he had he was human looking, not human, but human looking. He spoke, Travis spoke to him. There was no answer, but he motioned the Travis to follow him. So Travis follows him and he leads him into this place which Travis described as a hanger

50:17where these other flying objects were awaiting. And at this point, I thought this was fun to know too. He sees his first female alien. And he goes, hello. Well, he mentioned how beautiful their eyes were. So they had golden brownish like eyes are really bright. And then he saw her in the first thing he noticed was that her eyes matched his eyes. And I'm like, yeah, I get that. You see this lady and you go the first, you look deeply into their eyes. And he mentions like not communicating, but do you think that then presenting that way was their way of communicating? I think that goes back to them being able to morph. I think that they saw. Putting them in. I think that those two aliens possibly could have been the four that just left the room. And they peeped them for a little bit and they went, all right, I know what that looks like. And then they figured out a way to either make something that looks like that. That's like a robot or they were like a projection or anything or like a projection or something like that. Yeah, you're back in the control room making sweet love this lady alien. Then it morts back into one of those weird, weird guys.

51:18And then you go, oh my god, now I'm fucking a baby. Yes. I do like hangar. He's in the hangar. He's his first female alien and then he gets brought to this other room and he's brought to a table. And at this point, they put a mask on his face and the mask knocks him out. The next thing he remembers, he awakens, awakens on November 10th. He thinks he's been there for like a couple hours. It's been five fucking days. He wakes up on a cold pavement in this nearby town from where he disappeared called Heber. And the first thing he remembers feeling is the cold air and the cold of the pavement. So he gradually realizes he's back on earth. Although he might have not have never left. I think he's in the spaceship and I think in his mind it's like, oh, I went out of the fucking planet. Yeah. But to Dylan's point, yeah, he might, they might not have ever fucking touched left this place. I think they flew over to like area 51 or something like that. And then because he said he was in a hangar.

52:19So it's like, why would the alien version actually look like a hangar? He said he looked, he describes it as a hangar. And I'm like, I think if I was on a massive like battalion spaceship that housed other spaceships, I wouldn't call it a hanger. I would call it like, it would have to be really fucking big. But also like a death star. Yeah, it would be some death star shit. I think like the tough thing, if you want to like take them at his face value, right? And like consider the possibilities within his account of the story, then you just kind of have to go, well, they have, they have essentially science magic. So he could have been in the orb of light and it could just be that big. You know, it could just be that is how big that orb of light represents to humans. But once you're excited, it's magically bigger. It's like, you know, we did say that when he walked out of that orb of light, he said it was bigger than the one that picked him up. So he thinks that he was moved brought into this hangar and then moved into a different

53:22spacecraft. It's also like if they can be in two place, why couldn't they be in two places at once? You know, like there's a lot of reason it can be in two places at once. Like it's back on their home planet. There's a hanger full of them, you know, why not? You don't think that the two, is there a chance that the two humanoid ones were actually humans and we have just like people that deal with this stuff like a galactic federation? It's possible. So my thought is that maybe going back to like the hanger thing being Buddha Jesus leading you around. Just some random politicians. Him and his weird kids. I'm going to clock in at the end of the galactic hangar. So I think maybe that. So the way I processed that was processed that was it was it's more of a consciousness thing. So him going from completely weird shit to seeing these things which more closely resemble people is him delving back into his typical human consciousness. So everything's more recognizable and him getting dropped off like him getting dropped

54:24off in this town where he's able to feel these earthly elements is just more of like a gradual decline back into the human existence. Can I throw in another theory? Please do. What if the reason why they're kidnapping all these guys is to figure out how to percreate with them because in some way we are sturdier beings than them and what he saw were because people have been getting abducted by there's there's writings from like the 1800s that are like. I got a duck actually similar to his where it's like I got abducted. I was gone for five days. My family found me in the woods somewhere. I told them the story nobody believed me. If they're taking our DNA, but they don't have like our language or anything. These guys would just speak alien ease and then I have to talk to him, but they look more like us because he's again, he said that they didn't look. They looked like us, but they weren't us. So they could be little off. They could be hybrids. They could be making alien human hybrids. Yeah. Dude, what are we doing?

55:26There's I mean, I forget the name of the fucking, it might be called the Santa Fe Research Institute, but it was relative to the Epstein case. So there was this area in this place in Santa Fe, New Mexico where the scientists would go to hang out. And oddly enough, I think Kormack McCarthy was there. Yeah, I was going to break him up. For some reason, Kormack McCarthy was there and he's going to go, just to trade ideas, it's just be around that fucking fire. He was a physics major in college. Oh, I didn't know that. But when I started reading about that, the thing that stood out, the first thing that popped in the mind because it was so closely associated with the Epstein stuff was like, oh, they're just figuring out how to make kids on their own. They're just making their own kids. It's not about abducting or sex trafficking anymore. They're just figuring out ways to just make these lab-created children so that nobody will miss them and they can kind of do whatever they want. And also from the scientific standpoint, not only for the biological purpose of creating children, but maybe there's also a weird, I don't know, communication that they have

56:30with these alien life forms where they have access to this. And because they have access to this, they're the ones that the aliens communicate with the most. What was the associate? I'd never heard that with the Santa Fe in Epstein. I'll send you what I read. So it was essentially like all these people. They would blow me out. I like Corn Mac and Carthy. Yes, it is a true bummer, man. It is a true bummer because it does seem like there's some weird, sneaky, gross, sex stuff involved and it's not just about, you know, trading fucking ideas. Yeah. Damn, dude. And I think tank or whatever. Yeah, I don't think it ever happened, but there were rumors of it possibly being searched for victims who had been trafficked. And then isn't there, there was something he had a house in New Mexico, didn't he? Epstein, did he have a Southwest thing? He had somewhere, at least that's my Southwest. I think that might have been the basis for having this place there. Is Epstein's residence being there? He like funded it or something, man. Oh yeah. It's gross. And it's like it up.

57:31New Mexico is a fucked up place to begin with. The desert. Yeah. I mean, just like on its own, you would hate this because I know you hate true crime, but there's a lot of hate true crime. But dude, one of the most fucked up things before I finished up with Travis is there's this guy called the toy box killer. Yeah, I heard of that guy. He's in New Mexico. It is New Mexico and it seemed to be a case of not just like a lone wolf psychopath. It seemed to be some bunch of different people working together, including, including people that were like members of law enforcement, pillars of the community. It's like the Lego thing. It's the, yeah, that's terrifying. The Utah Lego guys. Hate that stuff, man. The Lego Mormons. Yeah. Yeah, they sucked. Fuck Lego Mormons. I hate when the small tent. This is the only time. That's the classic like Mormon mafia shit. I'm usually so against the small town police. They're always the bad guys in the story. This is the only time where the small town police are the absolute good guys. Can't believe how good they are to use. I mean, them immediately involving that group, the APRO. It's kind of nuts because there's no other municipality where you could imagine like, oh

58:34yeah, this is, let's call these fuck guys. Wait, so we get shot back into Heber? In Heber, yeah. He recognizes where he is and he starts walking and eventually he ends up outside of a gas station where there's a pay phone. And actually, you could visit this pay phone booth today. It's between this fucking, the Heber Tires shop and this Mexican place called Casa Ramos, which is fun to think of a naked guy. Huddles. He's naked? He's naked. Oh my god. Oh no, he's in the movie. He's naked. In real life, he's still got his clothes on. Movie he is naked though, which is another fun Hollywood creation. I'm really cute. Yeah. I want to know. So he thought it was a couple of hours. It was five days later. And there was no way to trace where he, like if he'd actually been somewhere else, like there's no no one saw him come up to this sidewalk. You know, there's no report to him anywhere else before when he eventually tells the story. He says when he regains consciousness on the sidewalk, there's, there's an aircraft watching him. And then when it becomes aware that he's aware, it takes off.

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1:02:37I did, you know, you know, what they did. There was another. I know I can't remember what the APR did, but I remember prior to like Travis's point of view of it when we're still talking about them investigating the area. Somebody was walking around with a guy, your counter and tested all the helmets of the guys. Yeah. And they were in covered in radiation. Okay. And then they were like, yo, go tech. Can you go test our truck and the guy just ignore heard what they said, ignored them and walk the way. Oh, weird. I think the guy was probably just like, I think the fuck out of here. So free. So radiated here. But I think I don't know how much of this could be the problem is how do you account for where he was for five days? There's no account of nothing makes sense. And it's so because you can't account for where he was for days. I can believe in like, like, let's get my put on my skeptic pants. You go this is take him off. Let me see.

1:03:39Yeah. It's just another pair of pants. I wear two pairs of pants. But you know, I got my skeptic pants on. I go, this is like, I believe in like a shared hallucination. I think that happens. I think that can totally ensure that that's something or like, like, radiated or something. Like what if the, what if the real story is like, it's always something like, like this can be explained like in a sad way. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, the government was dumping toxic sludge. The sheriff knew about it knows that when the common thing when there's toxic sludge in the area is that you see a goal, you see glowing light because the glowing light is just radium. You know, it's something horrible. And then he's like, oh, it was probably the orb. I'm going to call this alien idiots and be, you know, it's a total fucking conspiracy that way. Yeah. In relative to that, it was taking place in the national forest too. So yeah, they could be dumping sludge into the national forest because fucking, you know, and what if the run gave them some money or something? And what if the reasoning for giving out these contracts isn't to clear vegetation.

1:04:43It's just to see if humans can withstand. Yeah, really? They're guinea pigs and they're like, actually, it's fine. All that usually happens is they get radiation poisoning and then disappear for five days, but then they're usually fine. They did say that the clearing that they had made were the ship landed. Like, like you said, how the trees were growing quicker and it was indicative of like, radiated trees in Chernobyl. But the way that they grew was essentially half of the tree, the half that was pointing towards the orb was growing at a quicker rate than the half that wasn't. Right. It's like, I don't know enough about science, but like, I think there's just something. I think there has to be something. Could radiation do that? I don't know. Well, they say, yeah, because of Chernobyl. Chernobyl made trees go faster. Yes. It makes planet life grow really fast because it's because it's the radiation. But I think there might be, there's got to be something on the ground there. Yeah, that's what I think. There's a fucking barrel of sludge, you know, like there's something awful. It could also be extra treasure. It could have just been like a meteorite or something like that. Yeah, you guys, I mean, if you're into this story, there's the roads I'd pick. And so he's really great. And if you don't want to read a book, you can just watch Stalker.

1:05:44True. It's so good. And also to the radiation point, that might explain the weird looking babies too. True. Yeah. Maybe there's just Roman babies that they've been fuck with, like, how they've been doing the Rizzler. Yep. Oh, no. It was a bunch of Rizzlers. I'm going to buy some suits. I saw nothing but Italian children. No, I got Rizz faced. I was like, what does that even fucking mean, Travis? But when he gets proper, when he gets a proper medical examination, there's a weird puncture that they can't tell where it originated from. There's no burns on him, which is odd considering everybody saw him get fucking zapped by just fucking thing. And then also he, it's rumored that he lost about 10 pounds. And they do a urinalysis. And the explanation was that they think he must have been fed at some point, even though he lost weight, because if his body was metabolizing his own fat, there would have been like an increased... Ketos. Yeah, increased production of ketones. Yeah. And they didn't find that in the urinalysis. Also, no drugs or anything in his system.

1:06:44That was a big key. Because my first thing was like these guys were... Licking drugs. He was like, fuck, dumb. Yeah. No drugs. And the guys in the woods did drop in true and drop in Sid. And they conducted a psych evaluation. No disorder was detected. He was having difficulty retelling the story, so it was clear he had PTSD from it. Yeah. And like I mentioned earlier, it wasn't until he underwent hypnosis, which I think might have been the purpose of the APRO. The hypnotized, is that? Yeah, they hypnotized him. I would try to get... To be hypnotized by the APRO. I mean, what a fucking nightmare. I go, you were... You guys are alien experts, you're not hypnotized, I mean. No. But... So... So, but prior to all of that, he's like... He immediately facing public backlash. And everyone's like, these six guys in this guy are all fucking lying. They're all covering it up. Covering something up. They claimed that this was a way for them to get an extra 10% off of their contract

1:07:45with like the woods or something like that. How much money is that, Vic? Then for $400 each. I mean, come on. It was $400 each. I just scam for $400. This dude to this day is like, I wish it should never happen. He's like, I hate it. Yeah. So... And again, it's like, the fucking 17-year-old was definitely like... He would have... At this point, I'm like... He would have cracked. I don't give a fuck. Why are we talking about this? Yeah. No. I kind of believe that they believe it. I don't know if that's what happened though. Yeah. That's usually where I stand on a lot of like, I got abducted stories. I'm like, it's interesting just to hear a guy who thinks that happened. Even if it doesn't, even if you can go that probably isn't, it's still interesting to hear it, you know. And it's been 50 years now that he's been telling essentially the same story. And they all have been. Yeah. Well, the fact that there's a commonality, it's like there's like nine books about Benoit and then they're all different. True. There was only one point, I'm sorry. That's a great fucking point. Yeah. I didn't even think of that. But they didn't just take like one lie detector test. They've all taken multiple lie detector tests over the course.

1:08:48Like in the 90s, they all took them again in the early 2000s. They all tried them again. It's like, there's only one that was inconclusive. One guy was inconclusive and then Travis's first was inconclusive. But then Travis was, he was getting straight A's after that. Right, pretty shook up. I think one of the only ones that he failed was on the, he went on the show. What was it? Remember that show about the liar thing? Oh, I did fuck. I can't remember the name of it. Fuck, what was that? The lady goes, I won't point a lady went on and she had cheated on her husband. And she was like, I'm going to come up and tell the truth. And then she got through every single question, except for I cheated on my husband. No, she even answered that and she pointed out who she cheated on with. He was there. And it was all bad for her. And then the last question was, do you believe that you're a good person? And she said, yes. And then they said, no, you don't, idiot. And she lost all of the money. Oh, no. She ruined her whole life. Roodle. So they put him on that show, but then everyone said, you know, that shows fake. And it's all for, they wanted to kind of tell him that. Yeah, it's not from the entire town like fucking grilling all these fucking guys and

1:09:52demanding lie detectors, which they eventually all agreed to and they all passed, except for Alan Dallas, who was like the bad boy of the group. So what are if he was being a bad boy during, yeah, back to the rest of the group. But like Dylan said, Travis failed his initial one. Yeah. And he was a skeptic who was deeply embedded in this, this story named Philip class. And he was somebody who initially it wasn't reported that Travis failed the initial lie detector test. The national inquire, they conducted their own. Do you remember the national inquire? The the rag bag. Yeah. And they conducted their own. He passed that one. But Philip class was freaking out because he's like, you guys need to release the first one because that was the one that he failed. They were freaking out about that numerous polygraphs that eventually he passed everyone except for the first one. It was never failed. It was always in conclusion. That's right. It's not saying that he's lying. It's not saying that he's lying. It's going, we can't really tell it's kind of all over the place. And a lot of times that's they said it's like that's because if there's public pressure

1:10:54and you're doing it in a room filled with people, whatever, whatever, you're never going to get a room. I think that's the general problem, isn't it? Like if I was like doing a lie detector test and I didn't do it, I'd be fucking nervous. The lie detector guy, he's still the candy bar. No, you know, it's like, well, your heartwear went up and it's like, yeah, it's a terrifying thing to be asked. So the lie detector guy that did the original polygraph while Travis was still missing, I believe, because all those guys who are now figures pointing for murder, they were like, we'll do a polygraph. The guy who did all of the tomb essentially afterwards was like, I just proved aliens like exist because of this. Because he did. He was so rigorous and all of them kept their stories so straight. He's like, no, this proves their innocence and that this guy was abducted by aliens. Yeah, I wouldn't go that far. I think all it does is prove that they're not. They think that's what happened. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's like the most logical conclusion to arrive is they all believe it. That's like the like the Bob Lazar guy, I don't necessarily believe him, but I kind of believe

1:11:57that he believes it, which is interesting on its own. Even if it's all not real, it's still really interesting. It's not like, yeah, people were always accusing these guys of financial gain too. They barely got any money. The National Inquirer awarded the group $4,500 for like fucking alien story of the year. Yeah, it's like, what am I going to do with this? There was eventually Travis in 1978. He put out his book, The Walton Experience, which I think is a very sick title for a book. In 1993, the book was re-released and there was shit added to it. And it was re-released as Fire in the Sky, which they then made it to a movie. Really good movie, by the way. Check it out. It is cool. The ending is very cool, but the ending is the thing that is most the aspect of the Hollywood retelling that is entirely different than what Travis said. So yeah. Especially. Yeah, they made it like more of like a terrifying like medical procedure while he's on board. Or a task or something. Very fucked up dude.

1:12:57And there was, as time went on, Travis said he grew to believe that the only reason why they brought him on board the ship was to heal him because they realized they had heard him. They had heard him because he got too close to it. But then they zaped him up and they realized he was not a threat. Therefore, they wanted to heal him enough to return him. Deposit him back into he. Yeah, I don't believe it. I think it was. I think they saw how hot he was. I thought fucking much of a piece he was. He went out. I can have a pretty hot kid if I get his calm and I figure out what to do with it. Yeah. And now we can have a guy who went like this was already his son. Yeah. They already made his son in like five minutes. And they're like, oh my god, look at his son. There is a weird split in the group. He's daughter. He's fucking. Travis's best buddy on the group, Mike Rogers. He accuses Travis of being disingenuous in his story telling me like somebody records him and he says, yeah, the whole thing was like fabricated. But it turns out like they had just been beefing over money. And Mike Rogers later says like, look, this is this is all misunderstanding.

1:14:00It eventually he real lines with Travis. Well, there's actually like documentary, but they showed them like hanging out together fairly recently. Yeah. So they're on a Frisbee. Yeah. Yeah. That rules. But there was there was one other thing that was worth checking out. And this is one of the things that people pointed to in regards to it possibly being a hoax was this thing called the Gentry Fire, fire tower look out, which had lights on it. So maybe the guys could have misinterpreted that as being this gloomy thing, but that's really a far fetched hoax idea. Then the question goes, well, what was this app and how where was he for five days? And also if you're in the woods for five days, you will, you'll die. If you, I mean, maybe they have access to fresh water and no food and he's in like a fugue state or, you know, but even all that, it's like that still could line up with their story perfectly. And how far can he get in two hours? Yeah. Like where would he even go? And he gets all the way back to Heber. How far is Heber?

1:15:01It's probably by like trek pretty far because you got to think it's an hour to drive or it's what it sounded like. I don't know how far from the woods it is. It would be a nightmare to walk. It would be a hell of a walk. I think it's dude, it seems like the no one's on it any time between the woods and Heber. The search party that they had looking for them, I'm kind of like how it seemed to me, like the type of search party they put out where we're like we're just going to find a body. Yeah. And that's a big, that's a lot of people. They got a dog. How did no, yeah, it's like how did nobody find this? Well, this is a fun aspect of the search. His mom Mary Kelly at one point, she said, we need to call off the search. He's not on this earth. Which is a very horrifying thing for someone who's a lot of aliens. Yeah, it's like no one would believe that she wanted to believe it. Mike, if I ever go missing, that's the same. My dad's going to say that. He's not a wizard. He's going to say Dylan has been taken. They got me. They got me. I heard about the person. I remember him saying that we might get days like, you know, they're taking us. They like this. They like this.

1:16:01He would tell you this? Yeah. It was his favorite thing to talk about. He's a bit of a young child and this is going to sound like repressed and bad. But you do have childhood memories that are bizarre and you go, what was that? What the fuck was that? Because I have one that's not crazy. But I, we had a spare bedroom in our house. And I remember being like a little boy. I was like seven or eight. I went to sleep in my room and woke up in the spare bedroom. And I had no memory of ever going to the spare bedroom. And I would never sleep in there. I never did that. And I just woke up in the spare. Like, what the fuck? It was bizarre. I have a memory, but it's like it's been cooperated. I woke up in the middle of my street in my underwear. I used to sleepwalk. Okay. That's what I think your dad did. Well, yeah. That's what I think your dad did. He sleptwalked, overheard a conversation, remembered it. He was half lucid, but doesn't remember the fact that he sleptwalked. My dad to this day has night terrors and blames it on the aliens. There you go. I mean, he's probably had a fucking night terror. Yeah.

1:17:02Night terrors were brutal. Are you night terror guys as well? Oh no. Yeah, I had a friend when I was a little kid who had night terrors and it's distressing. And they had the like a sleepwalk aspect to it too. So like walk around the house like, you know, just like making noises and I was like having a sleep over there and I was like, what the fuck is going on with? I don't sleepwalk anymore, but I'll like, if my girlfriend's like, moves like an inch, I will in my sleep just start screaming at her. What do you do? Why are you doing that? But yeah, exhibit sleep domestic violence. I don't know. Do you do have anything where you're like, that seems like an unbelievable thing from when you were a kid? No, it's more of, all right. So the first thing that I thought of when you said that was a weird thing in the sense that it's clearly explainable behavior, but I just don't know why she did this. My sister hit me with this tiny hammer that my dad used to keep by the bed and I don't know why she did it. She had a friend over and I think, you know, when you get, when you have friends over,

1:18:03you get fired up, you do your shit as a kid. And I think it might have been that I was just sitting on the steps I wanted to hang out with them and she called me upstairs and she's like, yeah, wait out here. That's why I sat on the steps. And then she came out and she just cracked me on the knee with this hammer. So it wasn't like a supernatural thing. It was more of just like, why the fuck would you do that? She was like, possessed for a moment. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have an example. My brothers used to, and they still talk about it. They were like, when Dylan, they would say that I had such like, I would believe my dreams so then I'd wake up and start talking to them and like, she's telling them this. And then they were like, you're just lying. Why are you lying so much? And I'm like, no, this happened. Yeah. So I chill like that. I would just be accused of lying a lot. I have a belief my dream. Every time I have a dream, I believe when I'm like half awake, I like believe it for 15 seconds and I'm like, oh, fuck, that's not good. Oh, that's the best. I'm in bed with the fuck you talk about. I dream of a favorite dream. I had a really good dream when I was a little kid and I still remember very vividly. And it was, we had a class hamster in our thing and then it got loose in the Isid dream.

1:19:10But got loose and then all my friends had to like, search for it and we could fly and we were just like searching for it. That's very cool. We had these like, like, hang gliders. Oh, yeah. And we were looking for our hand and then we found it. I thought it was leading toward a Richard gear ending. Yeah, we shoved it up. Our teacher's ass. Damn, dude. Damn, dude. So I remember that and being such a happy dream because what happened was we gave up, we couldn't find it and then I opened a bag of chips and then the hamster ran out and I was like, oh, that's really beautiful. It's here. Wow. I don't think I ever have good dreams. I have a hot take that no dreams are good dreams almost. Yeah, it's wide because a good dream isn't real and a bad dream just freaks you out and there's no way to win. If you have a good, like a good dream, I'll have some, I used to have sometimes it was like, I came into a lot of money. Like I just, like I have, I just have $15,000 now that I didn't have before and I'm like, oh, then I wake up and I'm like, oh, fuck. That's not real. I feel like you're a pretty bad dream guy.

1:20:12I've had mostly good dreams. I can tell you the first terrifying dream I remember having. I used to, I went to Catholic school and I remember being just scared of being in church and this was probably around like second grade. It's an intense environment for a child. So much, man. And I remember this one fucking dream where either I had just made my, my, my first penance, second grade is where you do it, right? Yeah. I'd first either just made my first penance or we were gearing up towards it. And I always had a lot of anxiety around doing it and making sure I did it right and didn't know if the priest was going to yell at me inside of there. Yep. So in this dream, I get inside the confessional. The door shuts behind me and I'm waiting for the priest to slide the door, the little fucking door open. I always did it way too fucking hard. It was always hard to shoot. What the fuck? Wow. You're not Catholic, right? I am Catholic. You are. Did you do reconciliation? Uh, yeah. A confession? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we do a penance, which usually was like, say, two home areas. Yeah, yeah. I do the rosary, yeah.

1:21:12But this one, this, in this dream, as soon as I went into the confessional, it was just dark and I was waiting for the guy to slide the little door open. But it didn't slide open and then all of a sudden I looked down and there was a disembodied head there and it started laughing. And then the dream ended at that point. But it always fucking stuck with me because it's just accentuated how much I hated that whole experience. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I thought, you know, there's so much anxiety inducing shit via Catholicism. I don't know. You know, I'm kind of a sensitive guy to begin with and then you get like, you know, you get Catholic. I never had an issue with it. I had like a weird like confessional thing. You know, like the confession thing freaked me out. It's way too intense, man. Just make it, make it see through, but just like it's your scene. I like that. You couldn't see because in high school we didn't have like a church attack to our school. So we would have to do it in the gym with nobody else there. And like my chair would be facing this way and the priest would be facing the other way.

1:22:13No, interesting. But you're in this giant, so you're making it a deal out of diner. And you're just like, what? And you're talking to father Jack. And it's just like, I know like we can face each other because why are we doing this? Why am I not jacking off right now? Little dirty about Jack and Lionel. My brothers, the second I started, like I was like, what do I say? And they were like, just say you fucking apologize for all the sins you did to mom and that. And then I was like, you don't have to, and I was like, okay. And they were like, don't tell the guy you jerked off. What are you saying? You're friends who are doing that? Or weird guys? Yeah. For not realizing that you don't have to say that. You don't have to say that. You don't have to say that. Which is all the priests want to hear. Oh, yeah. Of course, they're famous. Yeah, they're trying to get more out of me constantly. Yeah, they like a countdown on the calendar. But what is your besides a lot of your mother? Oh, they do. There was Taja. They were like any specific things. And I go, honestly, father, there's probably so many that I can't even get it. And what were you wearing when you did this? Yeah. But it's just like, I just want blanket statement kind of over the whole thing.

1:23:15Yeah. Can we do abstract confessions? Like coveted. I understand that some guys have real puff times in like Catholic Catholicism and everything like that. But I really had such a fun time. Yeah, the all boys Catholic high school I didn't do. I didn't like a all boys Catholic high school is the most fun way to do high school. Yeah. Yeah, there's no concern. It's the most worry free high school. Although I think it might have inhibited or or stunted me sexually. Even though we had an all girls high school next door, I think I was most comfortable being in an all boys high school. But at the same time, I really could have used that development with interacting with chicks. And you know what? I think that there's probably yeah, that might be the only downfall I think a lot of guys probably had that. Yeah, it's a social aspect. That's just not it's unusual. Yeah. But for normal guys like me, it was for children. Yeah, for guys who for guys who try to be normal guys like Dylan. For guys who have to help father Jack that they've been jacking off for guys who had

1:24:15friends that were girls prior to high school. It was honestly fun. Nice. But yeah, I don't know. Catholicism is not too bad, man. Yeah, I agree. I mean, unless you're getting freaking more sets, that's tough. That's tough for out. Yeah. But by and large. Pretty cool. Yeah. It's cool if you're cool. Yeah. I've been listening to what led me into the fucking alien game was I was falling asleep for a while. Listening to the Rogan's interview with Mill Gibson. Have you ever heard that? No. No, he talks about aliens. Well, no, they're talking about Catholicism all the entire time. But that got embedded in my algorithm and that led to like random Rogan clips and it led to Bob Lazar being on there to Travis Walton. Yeah. You could have Medscar on because I feel like he was good at tying Catholic. We went on a Catholicism thing and he would be perfect for like a Dorel aliens anyway. You know what I mean? Because I do feel like there is something that I'm not remembering that is like ties Catholicism to aliens. Interesting. It's a whole, there's a whole thing.

1:25:15Well, I mean the shapeshifting thing will come into play with the fucking three days dead and then able to leave the two. I think there's angels that are like the angels thinks nuts. Yeah, like the biblical realistic. I don't know if those are even true though. What's the main up thing? I don't know if that's like a weird gnostic thing that got integrated into like a culture that people think is real. No, there's like a fucking neon genesis even Galean angels. It's like, you know, like there are these like esoteric weird shapes. Yeah. And they're with eyes and it's like nine eyes and wheels is like what actually how angels and demons are described in the Bible. It's not like humanoid or something, but I don't even know if that's true. I'd have to fucking actually read something. No, it isn't. I read a story I wanted to make a bid out of it. So I wanted to read this one Bible story about, so I remember hearing about when I was a kid, it's about this donkey that had an owner and they were walking in the house. An owner and they were walking down the street and the owner was beating the fuck out of the donkey. Yeah. And the donkey saw an angel and the owner didn't see it and then he beat the fuck out of the donkey even more because he was angry that the donkey saw the angel.

1:26:19Yeah. And the angel was a biblically accurate angel and they describe it in the wheels and the eyeballs. So it is like that's how they're describing it in the Bible. But the angel just gives the donkey the ability to talk. And then the guy has a genuine conversation with the donkey and the donkey just kind of goes like, hey man, you shouldn't hit me. And then the guy just kind of makes his pull. Like there's no actual like a philosophical revolution at all. It's literally just like, well, the guy goes, well, yeah, but like you're you're the guy's point was that the donkey kept swarving on the road. Yeah. And you guys like, you're all over the place. You're all over the goddamn place. It's like, dude, you have my whole life. You're carrying the whole thing. Yeah. If you fall off the road, I'm cooked. I have to kill you and then I have to carry all the stuff. It's basically Shrek. And then the donkey stops being able to talk and then they just kind of keep yelling about it. Yeah. It's kind of nuts at the moment your donkey is able to talk. You just start arguing. Yeah. You're the fucking guy out. He was pissed that he didn't see the angel and he was like, fuck, I really, everyone's all I compared it to.

1:27:19It's like if all your friends see a midget when you're out and you're the one who didn't see the midget and you're like, God damn it. I wish I saw what he looked like and everyone's like, he was wearing weird shoes and you go, he was wearing weird shoes. Do you think maybe like we got the most commonly accepted interpretation of angels just because they're the most like fat mom palatable? Like Cherub, Cherub, or Elizabeth, or Rubik? Yeah. Like fat moms love babies so it's like, okay, well, we got something for you. You got the cutest little baby. You got the cutest little baby. You can still keep it in a diaper. You only think they kept war wings. Like, it's the only part of angels these wings. Yeah, where are these babies? Cause I don't imagine Gabriel is a baby. I think it's just, I think it's, I really think it's Gabriel. Wait, now is Gabriel the, that's the one who got married. Well, not with the horn. He's got the horn. I don't know. He's got the horn. Yeah, Michael's the cool one. He's definitely not a baby. Michael's badass. And has a six back. Yeah, that's from, uh, that's a John Travolta. Was he? Yeah, there's a movie Michael where he was the angel Michael. Oh, yeah.

1:28:19Like the 90s, I think he was, like, you guys don't know movies. It's a classic piece of cinema history. I wonder why it is, but it's probably innocence. Yeah, it's just like, I think it's just, I think it's just guys painted them. And then everyone was like, that's a, that's the only way you can get another pissing and a fountain for some reason. Speaking of painting Catholicism, do you guys, uh, no Thomas Kincaid, the painter of light? No. Dude, he's great. It's, it's, it's, it's fat mom porn is what it is. So he created like all these paints, which are just like these very, it's kind of like dentist office art. And if you saw one, you would recognize it, but he created this like multi-million dollar enterprise, just making shit that would make your mom moist. And know if it's your mom. But it's mom's in general. Thanks my mom right now. I'm letting it. But he's a very funny guy. Unfortunately, no longer with us, but it got to the point where like he developed a pretty bad alcohol problem. And he actually gotten trouble at a sick-free-din' Roy show because he was fucking wilding out during the show. Not stops screaming during the performance.

1:29:20You know the fuck I am? Thomas is a cave motherfucker. I painted cabins in the woods. I painted a baby's a fucking pissin' a fountain motherfucker. That rules. Yeah, he's the man. RIP Thomas Kincaid. Boys, what fun we had man. Oh, is that the end of the day? Dude, that's it man. So Travis is still rocking a rollin'. Yeah, I gotta check out how many of you gave him a Google. Dude, he had, I don't know how often he had this, but I know he does. I know he definitely had it on the 50th anniversary, but he had his own like talk show about it. Like a summit. Like for people to discuss ideas to retell his story, it's had people come and just talk about their experiences with this shit. And it seemed like a very cool event, I hope they have it again. Let's check it out. I'd say this is the story that I'm actually kinda like, it's interesting enough that I'm like, this might get me to believe in aliens. Yes, it's to me like this is like the perfect intro to the topic. Yeah, because it's not so far out there where you're just like, dude, what the fuck is going on? At the very least seven guys truly believe that they saw something.

1:30:22Yeah, and especially now where it's like everyone's like, you know, all the fucking pilots are coming out and saying that there's shit like this. Yeah, fully just like, yeah, it's here. So something's going on, I can feel it. But I like this one because it doesn't say this one's not scary, it seems like they're like decent. I think so too. I'm fine with a cob. I actually kind of like the observation that I had of them just trying to percrate with us because they might be physically weaker and using us in that way. I'm kind of like, well, that makes me feel good. Yeah, because now I think like, With a fucking jacked race. Yeah, what's it basically? It's like you step. It may honestly just kind of teach them about peptides, dude. It's a little friend of a peptides. It's like this is the first alien story that made me feel pretty. Yeah, I was gonna shoot up fucking gray guys with tests. They're just zapping up fucking Rogan kettlebells. Yeah, dude. Oh my god. They're just doing kettle swings doing burpees and the orange prison jumpsuits. So I like this. Michael, thank you for introducing me to this. Thank you guys for joining me today. Thanks for having me, dude. I really appreciate it. Yeah, you guys fucking rock. Chris, what do you want to promote? I would love if you guys watched Rough Week, my podcast with Luke Tuma.

1:31:24Both these guys have been on and have great episodes. Funny as fuck a week. It's one of my favorite podcasts. I do listen to it. Oh, thanks. I don't even say about the ones that I work on. But now Chris, it's a hell of a show. Thanks, dude. Two of the funniest guys in Austin. What do you do with that? Supple Dill on Twitch. Yes. Two of the dog on YouTube. That's both places I'm live streaming to. I'm bar hopping through video games. I just bought Crimson Desert to do it through that. Nice. I played a little fucking Lego Harry Potter with the guys. Yeah, fuck it. I'm just getting drunk on stream. It's a lot of fun. I'm gonna be making all the YouTube videos. So check it out. Yeah, Dill Rocks. Dill's gonna be producing the show now. So I'm very happy to have you making everything look good, sound good, and just be on point with everything. And every week, I'm gonna have a guest on. So all my friends that I want to talk about, weird shit with, they're gonna be recurring guests on here. And Christoph, you're welcome back anytime. Hell yeah, thanks, dude. Anything you want to talk about? I've got to talk about with you. I have to talk about you. Thank you, brother. And you thank you guys for joining me. Thank you for sticking around.

1:32:25And if you just keep checking out the show, we're gonna be putting out shows on a consistent basis. There's gonna be a lot of fun. It's gonna be a lot of different topics. And the basis is gonna be true crime, but we're also gonna talk about more alien shit. We're gonna talk about conspiracies. We're gonna talk about cryptids. We're gonna talk about medical oddities. Also, if you're on the Patreon and you were missing, you know, consistent extra episodes every week, and you know, this isn't just coming out at free one week early. It's also, we're gonna be doing bonus ups now again. So yeah, we got a lot of good stuff coming and I promise to make it worth your while. We're gonna do a really fucking, do a lot of really fucking fun shit. So I appreciate you guys. Thanks for sticking around and we'll see you next time on those thinkers, baby.