Webster Griffin Tarpley: Historian [Hour #01, Jan. 4th, 2006] /w Rense

0:00. . . Okay, welcome back, hope you had a good day today, let's get right to it, three hours of

1:04superb radio coming your way, intellectually stimulating, factually it will be another treasury tonight, as we spend time, first two hours with Webster Griffin Tarplay, who is a regular here at Rents Radio on the first Thursday of each month, Webster of course needs no introduction by this time, if he does please click on his name, go to his website and take a look for yourself, he's a remarkable man, a great scholar, and above that one of the true American patriots of our times, welcome back, Mr. T. Thank you, Jeff. I'm fine. Thank you, sir, thank you, I don't know how happy it's going to be, but looking over our shoulders and then looking ahead, the road is not much lighter or brighter at this point in time, but we will see, time sometimes has some amazing surprises, and you never know, that's one of the good things about getting up every morning. Well I would say we're heading into a tremendous constitutional crisis, among other things. And as I said earlier, the sooner the better my friend, let's get to it, as Bush said,

2:04bring the damn thing on. Well, a constitutional crisis, we've got a military crisis in Iraq and related areas, and we've also got that pesky death agony of the dollar, which I think will depend to overshadow all of them. Maybe a way to get into this tonight is to look at the case of Negro Ponte. Yeah, boy, excuse me, but I, like you, today I just marvel that they're gall of these people, the arrogance. I mean, here's John bloody hands, Negro Ponte, now moving over, second and command, this is what they like to do. Condi, Condi the Marianette Rice is the perfect front man, excuse me, woman, perfect front man for the job. Negro Ponte, now in second position right behind her, imagine the potential here, just imagine the potential. Well, I would see it in different terms, and I would say there's a narrow explanation for Negro Ponte giving up this post of national intelligence director and going to be the

3:11number two for Condi. And then I think there's a more profound explanation that gets us into what's actually going on. Good. Let's do it. On one level, it's personalities, but then it's also a harbinger of this constitutional crisis. You bet it is. The sort of thing that precedes a much bigger category. Well, it's like a chess move, isn't it? Well, I would say it starts from this, and I haven't seen any media who put it quite this way. Condi is a rice is now totally discredited. She's a laughing stock, her incompetence, her bungling or legendary. We can understand people who are ruling class operatives and thugs and so forth, but they've got to have a certain ability in doing this. And I would say in the case of the unfortunate Miss Rice, her low point really came last summer when the Israelis decided to plan and then carry out this cynical, calculated,

4:13deliberate invasion of Lebanon and the bombing of the infrastructure. And of course, out of all that, we're able to get nothing for themselves, but a very embarrassing and far-reaching military defeat. Candeliza, with any sense, would have said, look, the people here who need a ceasefire are the Israelis because they're losing. But of course, the ideology, the lunatic Neocon triumphalist ideology is that the Israelis have got to be given all the time in the world to kill as many Lebanese as they can, which they do. But then they somehow lose that effect that in the process, the Israelis are losing politically and indeed losing militarily as well as economically. So I think her handling of this was so inept, it was so stupid. She wanted to stall, she wanted to give the Israeli forces a chance after chance to redeem their defeat and turn it into a victory, which they never succeeded in doing, but she

5:15was never even able to concoct some plausible reason for that. I think she's a laughing stock. If you've heard one of the recent interventions of Zbignou Brzynski, he went out of his way to mock and ridicule the Secretary of State who thinks that the chaotic civil war in Iraq is really one of the birth pangs of a new Middle East. God, well, yeah, just, and well, he should. This is, the woman actually said something. I didn't get the quote, but that's what she said. She talked about the new Middle East, and this became a watchword in that region. There's also the question of Congolese as vampire. She was widely caricatured in Lebanon and indeed many other countries, as being somehow this exterminating angel of aggression and so forth. Now normally, Congolese would have been fired as a result of this, but the political damage that would be too great, Rumsfeld is gone, Cambon is gone, Bolton is gone.

6:18You don't fire a black African-American female in the highest position that an African-American has ever held in the administration, especially when you're teetering on all the other fronts. I think the approach, therefore, is to leave her in office as a kind of a puppet of front facade. She's a facade, exactly right. And then let me go up on to come in now. The question with me go up on to, of course, is that he poses this question once again for the Democratic Congress, and we've seen, we've had three cases of this now, and the Democrats have, they've partially succeeded in one of them failed in the other. Bush wanted to re-nominate Bolton. Bolton is, of course, a fascist, an ideologue, a lunatic. They were able to block him at the United Nations, and that was good. That was progress. But then, of course, along comes Robert Gates, an Iran-Contra criminal, a felon, a perjurer,

7:19anybody who had taken part in gun-running, drug-running, and death squads in his own right, the founder of El Qaeda, and they rubber-stamped him. Now, remember that the Democrats ran for office saying, don't let the Congress be a rubber-stamp for Bush. Well, on Gates, they ran. They couldn't flock fast enough to turn themselves into a rubber-stamp. What will they do now with Negro Ponte? With this fellow, he was the ambassador to Honduras during the height of Iran-Contra in the mid-80s, and he was deeply implicated in death squad activity there. As soon as Iraq got this pseudo-sovereignty, a couple of years ago, Negro Ponte was then made the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, the pro-console after Bremer and the coalition provisional authority, had left, and lo and behold, what pops up all over Iraq at that point except death squads. The guy seems to bring, he's the bringer of death squads wherever he goes.

8:23He's the reaper. And the question now for the Democrats is, in their mobilized approach to all this stuff, are they going to let themselves simply be the rubber-stamp for Negro Ponte? I would regard all of these nominations, gates, and Bolton, and Negro Ponte. These are all provocations. And any opposition party that takes itself seriously would vote them down, and indeed filibuster them. Do whatever is necessary to block them. It's also worth seeing that there is a certain movement that has come into the personnel picture in the Bush regime, again, Rumsfeld, Campbell, and Bolton are all out. There are two generals, and this, I think, will have to talk about this at a later point, but the two generals that Bush said were his main military advisors on Iraq. The theater commander, Abbasade of Central Command, and Casey, the commander of everything

9:24going on in Iraq, Abbasade has said he's quitting, he's leaving, and now being forced out. Abbasade is out in March. Abbasade, yeah, but they didn't affect their gun now. That's correct, true. And then their authority comes to an end. They can't really do anything. So Abbasade is somebody who seems to say, I don't like your surge, Bush. So that's the end of him. And Casey, I think, they're dumping him also to scapegoat him, and basically to give this idea that it's not the fault of Bush. It was Rumsfeld, and Rumsfeld generals, these are two of them. They're out. We've also got this admiral Fallon. I'm not sure who this is, is coming into replace. Abbasade and General Petraeus, who's already been in Iraq, and he seems to be a darling of these military cliques, and I'm sure he'll do no better than any of the others. Khalilzad would seem to be the one who's going to move from Iraq, embassy to the United Nations.

10:26But I think, again, all of this stuff is the deck chairs on the Titanic, in the following sense, I think that the big news really is that we are going into this constitutional crisis now, and I think there are two tracks that are immediately obvious. One is that Bush is going after this interminable pirouetting and consulting and meetings and policy review, he is going to escalate the war in Iraq, and he's going to try to scrape together 20 or 30,000 troops and try to throw them into the Battle of Baghdad, which will only make things worse. Yeah, the chip over a few thousand more body bags, of course, and it's called Sacrifice, ladies and gentlemen, human sacrifice. Think about it. We'll be right back.

12:29Okay, Jeff Rance back with Webster Griffin Tarplay, Webster is here the first Thursday of each month. This is January. We're starting off the year with one of the greats. Okay, I want to talk about the US military, the army and just a minute or two in terms of what we know is happening, but go ahead with your line of thought if you would Webster. The two prongs of the constitutional crisis are on the one hand, the willful, wanton, insane escalation of the Iraq war by Bush. It is insane. It is. Exactly. I'm sorry. It is insane. I want to underscore that, and I'm talking about human sacrifice, Iraqis and American men or women. Boys and girls. It's absolutely insanity, and it's also political insanity. Normally, you expect these leaders to be morally insane, but you also expect them to have some idea of their own political status. Vietnam Bush has 12% support for an escalation, for a surge or double down or whatever they

13:32call it. So 12%, he's also got a total of 12 Republican senators who are in favor of doing this, the McCain doctrine. So John McCain and his mentally imbalanced outlook and 11 other Republican senators who think that this is a good way to go, although, of course, we have Harry Reid on the Democratic side who's willing to go along with it, as long as it doesn't last too long. Unbelievable. Now, I think this is also the lesson of today with Mrs. Pelosi. Mrs. Pelosi has some good things that she's done. She's kicked out Jane Harman of the Mossad from the chairmanship of the House Intelligence Committee. That was undoubtedly positive. She has supported Martha, even though it didn't work. I still think that was a ruse, but yeah. Well, whatever it was. But now we get, I think, to what we can only describe as her parliamentary credonism. I think that is the only term that we can use for Mrs. Pelosi.

14:35Parliamentary credonism. I guess this is something coined by Lenin or somebody, but it's undoubtedly a real phenomenon in the real world. Some people pronounce it Cretanism, so just so we don't leave anybody behind. Cretanism. It's just as good. It's the same thing. The problem here is, if you watch Mrs. Pelosi today, you would think that there's a party called the Bipartisan Party and that the Bipartisan Party has now seized power in the House of Representatives. You can go to pretty good barometers such as the Daily Costs or something like this. If you want to see what a certain kind of left liberal Democrat is thinking, they put up Mrs. Pelosi's Bipartisan comments and then they have a hundred comments and they all say, this is fundamentally wrong. We don't want you to be Bipartisan. We want you to fight Bush, block Bush, stymium, cut him off at the knees, frustrate him,

15:36prevent him from doing the things he wants to do. Not to mention, introduce legislation to roll back the Patriot Act. All sorts of things. You know, it's a list of, you know, 15 out of 11 prominent. Cut the funding to the damn war off. Yes, precisely, but there's a complication with that which we can get to in a second. But the thing is, parliamentary Cretanism is that Mrs. Pelosi seems to believe that what people care about is her process inside the House of Representatives, that is whether it's partisan or non-partisan or multi-partisan, subpartisan, superpartisan. I don't think anybody really cares about that. That is a matter of narcissism and indeed this Cretanism that she thinks that people regard the House of Representatives as a kind of theater and they're concerned with the quality of spectacles that are being shown in the theater. Nice. This is not necessarily. Nicely said. Nice imagery. Very good.

16:36This is wrong. Politics is about life and death issues. Are people going to die in Iraq? Are people going to die from lack of healthcare? Are they going to starve to death in a depression a little bit further down the road? This is what counts. And we don't care about the quality of personal relations inside the House of Representatives. In the past, the US Senate has been much more guilty of this. The narcissism of the United States Senate. Love affair with itself as an institution is obviously boundless. But now we have that also coming into the House of Representatives. It's a fundamental misconception that she has. You can see as part of this narcissism that Mrs. Pelosi somehow believes that the American people have endorsed her. This is fundamentally wrong. There is no mandate for her in that sense. The Republicans have been rejected and she is now being given a chance to show what

17:36she can do. But the main thing that's expected of her is what she seems to talk about at least. That is to oppose Bush, to resist, to be an opposition. Because even though she's taken over the House of Representatives in the broader scheme of things, she's still the opposition because the president is still disguised Bush. Now in terms of ending the war, we had Congressman Frank on television yesterday made an interesting point, which I find alarming. He points out that the defense appropriations bill for this year has already been passed. In other words, until October 1st, Bush has all the money he needs to wage war. Now that's too late to cut off the money. No, no, wait a minute. Yes, it is. You're quite right. Any time any legislation can be introduced by anybody saying, can you roll back, you can change anything. Would Bush sign it? No. But you can still introduce a piece to say, okay, emergency legislation to stop the funding even though it's been granted, whatever.

18:37I think that's also possible. But just as things stand right now, this has been done. The money, the several hundred billion has been given. That's just the first round up to come back when the overrun. You're going to want another hundred billion now in the next couple of weeks. Sure. Okay. Stand by. Webster Griffin. Tarpley is here. You're hearing analysis as good as it gets, dear friends, and we shall continue in just a couple of minutes. Let me invite you to rents.com. It's r-e-n-s-e.com for news from around the world, around the clock. News like you will find assembled and presented in the old style. It's called journalism. To let you make up your minds. You're right back.

19:47And we're back with Webster Griffin, Tarpley. Okay. Webster, go ahead. The problem with Mrs. Pelosi is the laundry list approach to legislation. Right now we're in the first hundred legislative hours. And she has this list of six or seven things she wants to get passed. This reminds me of Hillary Clinton and the techniques that Hillary Clinton has obviously learned from Dick Morris when he was running the Bill Clinton White House in the mid-90s. The idea is that in order to build good will for yourself, you're constantly coming forward

20:47with micro-initiatives that are widely popular, generally in terms of family values and things that are really, really beyond controversy. Remember Bill Clinton got the Family Leave Act passed in the first couple of months he was president. Of course, it was unpaid leave. It really wasn't much of a gift compared to, you know, European countries where this would be paid, but Clinton was able to trumpet that for years, that he had passed the Family Leave Act. In New York State, Hillary Clinton is known as the laundry lady because a typical Hillary Clinton speech is the six or eight or ten or twelve good, tiny little things that she wants to do for you. And similarly, therefore with Pelosi now in the hundred hours, some of these things, of course, are not exactly tiny, the minimum wage is sacrosanct. I'm all for it. When we come on to the next point, for example, is let's implement all the recommendations of the completely discredited Cain Hamilton Commission on 9-11, which has been shot through

21:51a full of holes. It's been shown that the Pentagon General's committed perjury that the evidence concerning able danger was suppressed that the meeting of Kenneth with Condoleezza Rice was also suppressed that cases of perjury involving Ashcroft were also completely ignored. This Cain Hamilton Commission is a complete fiasco. And nevertheless, former Mrs. Pelosi comes forward and says, now it's time to implement everything that they say as if this were the Bible. It's much too late for that. And this is an example, I think, of this laundry list stuff. It's good to have a laundry list of good things. I'm all for it. But then you've got to face the big questions. And the big questions are, war and peace, Iraq, Iran, state-sponsored terrorism by the U.S. intelligence community, and then questions around the death agony of the dollar economic recovery. Why the United States is losing hemorrhaging industrial jobs at this amazing rate.

22:58And I also, I would point to another thing. Yesterday, a group of peace activists, Indy Shien, to be sure, broke into ramen manuals, triumphalistic, you know, self-congratulatory, self-serving press conference, where he was spouting these clichés about how we're going to change the relation between the lawmaker and the legislature and other double talk, basically. And they simply said, it's time to get the troops out of Iraq. And this is what you were elected to do. Now, of course, ramen manual is a very interesting case, because he is part of this war-monger faction. And there was, we have to be aware that there are war-monger Democrats, they're militants. This would be not just Senator Lieberman, but Senator Clinton herself. She's a war-monger. Don't forget it. Ramen manual is a war-monger, and he would only give the money of the National Democratic Campaign Committee to Democratic congressional candidates who were sworn war-mongers.

23:59You had to be in favor of finishing the job. You had to espouse a rhetoric that was practically that of Bush in order to get money from ramen manual. I would also point to another very venomous character, Tom Lantos, who is now the head of the International Relations Committee. Dangerous man. Hold on to your hat. Now he wants to antagonize Iran. He wants all-out economic warfare against Iran, and he wants all-out economic warfare against Venezuela. One of the most rabid Zionists in congressional history. I think he's fair to say his relation to the United States is rather tenuous, but to Israel very strong. So he wants to have attacks on Iran and Venezuela at the same time. This of course, this is the lunatic, neocon, fascist, madman, unilateralist approach. U.S. Britain and Israel at war with the world everywhere, all the time, all at once. And this is precisely what I think is impossible.

25:00Now, there are two things more to say about this. It's impossible, but let's come back to that. Well, well, first of all, the thing politically for the Democrats, inside the 9-11 truth movement now, there is a movement to inject, to confront candidates in early primary states like New Hampshire and Iowa, with questions of 9-11 truth, and it was not to let them off the hook, but to literally hold their feet to the fire, and to force them to answer questions about this stuff, in the Democratic retail politics of these early primary states and other appearances that they make. Let me hasten that. It's not limited to Iowa, New Hampshire, but it can be done in any place where these candidates show up. And since they're fundraising, they go everywhere, it's just a little bit easier in those places. And probably the candidate who is the biggest target in this regard is Giuliani.

26:01Because his identification with the crimes of 9-11 and the myth of 9-11 is greater than that of anybody else. And there's a tremendous animus against Giuliani. For example, among the Berea families in New York City, there's a lady called Sally Reaganhard, who is the surviving family member of a fireman who was killed in the towers and she has announced her intention to swiftboat Giuliani. Swiftboat, in this case, with truth, by saying, look, this is not at a high level of sophistication in terms of 9-11, but it's useful. She says, this guy, the radios didn't work, the orders were never given, the communications were faulty. There's also a tremendous rancor about the scoop and dump methods that Giuliani used in the immediate wake of 9-11 in the woods. He was concerned, as we know, with destroying the evidence. He had to destroy every steel beam from the World Trade Center to destroy the evidence

27:05of controlled demolition, of thermite, and other means that were used to bring down these towers artificially through controlled demolition. That was his mission. Yeah. And shred federal crime evidence by the Megaton. Absolutely. He's a felon. And he has violated the National Transportation Safety Board, which says that you cannot go into an airplane crash site and begin tampering with evidence, and that's what he did. The other thing he did, of course, was to ban photographs. You couldn't even take a picture of this. That became a New York City crime. He also made sure that GPS locators, mobile positioning system beacons, essentially, were installed on the trucks that were taking the steel beams to first kill Staten Island. Because he didn't want some truck driver to drive off to, you know, someplace else, and have that steel beam survive with all the signs of thermite. And can, can, ladies and gentlemen, can you spell cover up?

28:09I hope so. This is obscene. They're putting it right in our faces. Now he demands your vote, now that he wants a claim for what he did. The political landscape has never been populated with more malignant, malevolent, evil scumbags. I think in our nation's history, be right back. All right, well, let's get right back to it, Webster, go ahead.

29:10A few more things concerning Giuliani. There's also a very interesting book which I think is selling fairly well by Wayne Barris and Dan Collins. It's called The Grand Illusion. And it's a study, essentially, of the myth of Giuliani that he is portrayed as Mr. 9-11, America's mayor, Mr. 9-11 mayor of New York, and all this. And in reality, he's, of course, in their view of Bungler, in my view, he's part of this obstruction of justice, obstruction of the crime, more than much more than a Bunger. And criminal activity. For example, they do go through, however, all the things he did wrong, how the radius didn't work, the communications didn't work. I would point to a couple of things. Giuliani received a message, and he tells us this in various places. He said, I was sitting in my command headquarters in World Trade Center 7, and this is in the

30:10morning, and we were told that the towers were about to come down. They were about to collapse, so we left Building 7. Now, the collapse of Building 7 is many hours later in the late afternoon. This is in the morning. And the question, of course, then, is Giuliani, if you were told to get out of Building 7, why were the office workers told to stay in the building? Why were the firemen and the policemen not told, along with the office workers, to get out of those buildings, if it was known that they were going to come down, and by the way, how did you know? Because nobody has ever seen such buildings come down. Who told you that? What's the basis of this? And let's go back a little further, who exactly told Condoleezza Rice to tell Willie Brown not to fly on subter, and we could go on and on. Right. But specifically on Giuliani, in other words, Giuliani is now the one who says he wants to be president. Oh, please. Another good question for Giuliani is, again, why did you destroy the crime scene?

31:13Why did you cynically play the policeman against the firemen to the point where they actually had a riot? They had a fist fight. Again, the view on this from Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins is that this is because Giuliani wanted to show that he was this wonderfully efficient manager and crisis manager. Of course, again, we know that this is a phalonious intent that he has of destroying the evidence in this month's past crime. So all of this is available in Giuliani. If I may, let me just point out that some people are getting together on this, and maybe I can just mention this, for people who are interested in forming what I guess we can call 9-11 Truth Squads. They focus on 9-11, but not only. They focus on the original 9-11. They focus on the danger of a new 9-11, new Gulf of Tonkin, the attack on Iran, provocation, state-sponsored terrorism, obviously Bush's strategy for totalitarian transformation on the home fronthand.

32:14He's opening your mail, all of these things. This is a meeting now on January 19, in Dover, New Hampshire, at the Friends Meeting House, probably starting, I believe at 11 o'clock in the morning. So at the Dover Friends Meeting House, 1-4-1 Central Avenue, Dover, New Hampshire, 0-3-8-2-0, and this will be education to be sure, in other words, it will be profiles of all these candidates and how they come down on 9-11. But also, then, preparation for citizens who want to go into the early primary states and actually bring in content, because otherwise, if we leave it to the media, we're going to have more soap opera, more process obsession, and generally dodging all of these issues. So I hope people can come. I'll be there on January 19, in Dover, New Hampshire, at the Friends Meeting House, 11 o'clock in the morning. If you find out more about it, you can go to Boston911truth.org, and this is a regional

33:16meeting, actually. It's going to be people from New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine. This is the group, by the way, that organized a very successful Boston Tea Party that was widely imitated, on December 16, in the middle of this past month, which was, of course, a call to Mrs. Pelosi. Pelosi dumped the Cain Hamilton commission, essentially declared a dead letter, and started a new one. Don't tell us that you want to implement the recommendations of that discredited group. Another guy, of course, with a big vulnerability is McCain. McCain contributed a scurrilous preface to this popular mechanics, compendium of why the 9-11truth critique is wrong, why the myth is absolutely accurate, that there's no controlled demolition, that the 19 psychotic patsies really did do these amazing feats

34:16and all the rest of it, and he can be confronted. I would suspect that if McCain's method was to bask in the adulation of the journalists on board, his straight talk expressed, if he were actually confronted with any kind of aggressive questioning. The likelihood is a psychotic episode, because that is his underlying mental life, in other words, to precipitate him into a nervous breakdown or mental crisis. His face will turn pink, then it'll turn red, and he'll, yeah, exactly. And he'll begin to bite the carpet, in the manner of a famous foreign political leader of the 1940s. That's cute. If it didn't Jacques, didn't Inspector Clousseau bite the rug, too, at some point? Yeah, he did, but he was imitating the other guy. So anyway, we've got the escalation of the Iraq war, this simply leads to a constitutional crisis, because this is essentially one lunatic bubble boy, one schizophrenic, a megalomaniac,

35:19who is going to defy the world, and again, he does have at least several hundred billion dollars to do this, no matter what else can be done, and therefore impeachment is on the table. So, you cannot rewrite the Constitution, she can't say impeachment is off the table. Impeachment is mentioned frequently in the Constitution, it is one of the guarantees of liberty. It's also worth pointing out, we've got John Dean, usefully reminding us, you don't have to start by impeaching Bush and Cheney, you can impeach Condoleza, you can impeach Gonzales. There's a whole array of people in the Bush administration who richly deserve this kind of attention, and we could begin to get the wheels greased up with some of these lesser figures. The other side of it is the entire purpose of the Congress, in terms of what Pelosi wants to do in Harry Reid, is I think they know that they won't be able to pass much legislation

36:21because Bush will veto it. Bush says he will accept the increase in the minimum wage, but he's very likely to load this with tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare for his crony corporations, and so for that, that was the Republican approach to doing that, so it's very likely that no legislation can be passed, therefore what can they do? They can do these oversight hearings, and this, of course, is absolutely vital because this is, again, another path leading to impeachment, but here's the thing, Cheney has already said, if he gets any subpoenas to appear in front of congressional committees, he will ignore them. Right. And? So that months ago, yeah. Senator Lee, he attempted to get documents about torture in Abu Ghraib in Guantanamo and elsewhere. And primarily, the Gonzales Justice Department now says, no, we will not give you any documents about our techniques of interrogation because any documents we give to you will show up in the hands of El Qaeda.

37:23They didn't actually say that. Well, in effect, they say we don't want the enemies of the United States to know, so they don't quite say it that way, but that's more like the idea. We're probably talking about us, but anyway, the idea then is that if you're Lee, and you're the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and this is the response you get, this is a chainy-act response, right? This is an unprintable, a chainy-act response. Yeah. It's unprintable. It's just an obscenity. A barnyard, at the fact, is what is the answer to this stuff. You have now got to begin to think about contempt of Congress. You have got to think about something that becomes vigorous oversight. And before you know it, you were on the path to impeachment. And again, I think there's a ruling class dynamic that's also going on in the background. The ruling class is evidently split. There's one camp represented by George Schultz. These are the Neocons, the unilateralists, the war mongers, the lunatics.

38:25Again, US-Britain Israel at war with the world and no negotiations with anybody and get ready to bomb Iran. And then you have the moderate imperialist group, also very evil, with the Baker Hamilton Commission and the ruling class consensus that they have, which is, no, we're too weak for that stuff now. What we need to do is to get puppet states and stooges to do our fighting. We will detach Syria from Iran. We'll get Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and use them to fight Iran and Hezbollah. And of course, the technicality, though, is that in that case, the Israelis will have to make some concessions. They'll have to think about giving up the go-on, or at least begin talking about it, begin some kind of process of negotiation. And the current regime in Israel basically says that they will not undertake any serious negotiation. So, the Neocons, and they're retinue of, you know, fascistoid talk show hosts, are all

39:27screaming, as we saw, that the Baker Hamilton Commission with the surrender monkeys and so forth. But in reality, I think that's the majority of the US ruling class, and the majority of the US ruling class saying, the real issue of O-7 is the dollar crisis, the debt agony of the dollar. And there, it's evident, there's not such thing as unilateralism on that one, because that's where you've got the Japanese holding a trillion dollars of T-bonds, the Chinese have a trillion dollars of T-bonds, the Saudis have a trillion, and other people in the world have another trillion. You better be multilateral or you're doomed. And therefore, the abrasive maximalist, again, insane, lunatic, Neocon approach simply doesn't work. It's basically, do you realize how weak you are? And the Neocons, of course, can't do that. They have this, I think they believe the US military is a cornucopia. The plan that Bush is going to be putting into effect comes from a chicken hawk at the

40:31American Enterprise Institute, Frederick Kagan, somebody who has- He's the one. He's never heard of shot fired in anger. No, no. I assure you, they have some corrupt general in there who goes along with him. And this is what Bush is going to implement. The American Enterprise Institute, a corrupt organization, this is where Lord Conrad Black was stealing all the money from hollering her corporation and convoying it in to the American Enterprise Institute so that they could pay Ladin and Kagan and the rest of them these fat salivates. Very good. Another hour of brilliant analysis. Be right back after the top of the hour of break with Webster Griffin Tarpley, and that will be just in a few minutes.