We're Scared (The U.S., AI, and Death) - Kinda Funny Podcast

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2:15What's up everybody? Welcome to the kind of funny podcast. I'm one of your host Greg Miller alongside Forbes 30 under 30. AKA New York Game Awards nominated AKA. Juve Poppy. It's blessing. I know you. Yeah. That's gonna make it sound like I've been to juvenile detention. If you're an audio listener, he's drinking a Juve energy drink. Which is going down. Oh, it's going down great. Yeah. I feel like nobody else in the office actually drinks these. Yeah, I think it's just Gary Whitton who comes in and takes them. Yeah, which is great for me because we never run out. Yeah, I love it. It's great for it. Yeah. Over here, producer slash producer Nick Scarfino. I can't drink those anymore because they remind me of my colonoscopy prep drink. Is that how sweet it is? Yeah, that's exactly how sweet it is. So imagine that but having to drink four times that amount in like one sitting and then did we genius? Did they also have only five calories each? I don't know. Actually, I never I didn't see the calories. The caloric. It goes probably had negative calories. I feel like I made you. You know what I mean? Yeah.

3:15I like the light afterwards. So it's probably not neutral. Yeah. For sure. And rounding out the quartet. It's Christmas in March. Joing away. Anything to change. Just subject matter. Every time Joing comes here, you get sucked towards that brown hole. Don't get sucked toward the ground. You can't break the gravity. She's full. It's good. You like that turn phrase? I love it. I'm going to get serious. All right. Here's what I want. Oh, no. Here's what this show is going to be about. All right. Joey. Nick. Yeah. Oh, I, I, I, I, I've thought of where I'm going with this conversation for all that. I've had it. Believe it or not. A couple of kind of funny podcast topics for like six months. But they just haven't gotten to because I haven't been on the show or business. Something else happens. We get in here. Tim starts the acting. You can't get him. Stop. Growing up going to Catholic school. Obviously. You think about death a lot. A lot. You know what I mean? They put up your god. You know what I mean? Getting that spear driven into your side. You hear a lot about it. Good reference. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

4:15I love it. Great. And I remember always thinking about like what that moment will be like. And I remember back then thinking that it would be very peaceful, obviously, because I'm going to be talking about like heaven, hell, whatever. You're talking about like the long term effect of dying. You're just talking about the moment. Well, I mean, all options are on the table. I always interpret the question. But basically, I'd always thought about like the stoppage of everything and being welcome somewhere kind of thing. And so I'm hung up. And maybe it's just my. It's definitely the escalation of being in Catholic school and thinking about what I thought would happen then to where I'm now. But I think Porti's going to come get me. You know what I mean? I think that's a real beautiful thing. And I've been thinking a lot. Doing the dishes. This is when this comes. That's where I podcast my head the most. Because you know, Jen and Ben are doing whatever they're doing. So wait, you're going to die. Yeah. Why is this one? Is it really guessing it open up? No, no. It's going to come out. So like in my head. Right. You know, my.

5:15Because I want to see that. I think we're just like half circle. That's nowhere. Where are we going? And pisses for no reason. You're right. No, no, no. So like, you know, when I when we put Porti down, we we did it in the house obviously. But like my final like moments with him before anybody showed him or anything was like me and him in the backyard. And it was a beautiful sunny April day. And so now that we're getting to that springtime period or whatever. Yeah. The sun's hitting the same way. And yet again. And so I think it would be really peaceful and beautiful. If I was if I died doing the dishes. But what it's doing with me. Because I'm horrible for Jen and Ben. Yeah. 240 pounds. Drop like a sack of potatoes. But like the tie. I. Is it blood everywhere? But it's the idea of like I like the vision of him being out there and me going out there and not putting it together right away. Yeah. Look back. And like your body's there and everything. Oh, I'm sure I kind of think that's what I mean by it.

6:15Not so much the. He's comes out strumming a harp when I get up to have. If you collapse while doing the dishes. How long would a portion? How long before they turn off the sink? Like do you want the priority to be like ah shit? We got to like no. I think the sink goes for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's exactly. It's draining. Yeah. I don't want to be like a logistic guy here. Sure. You know. But there are two of them. Yeah. But Ben can't get up there to do. I mean, I don't know. When I go down. Go down in the next 16 years. Oh, he's definitely a turner first. Yeah. But I think that's the stuff that goes out your mind and immediately an emergency situation. Not me. Yeah. I might. That's my thing too. I'm like, uh, the waterway thing. Like we let this run too long. It's going to start leaking down and then it becomes a problem. Other mess. I might. I don't do the dishes with the sink stopped. Like the drain is just going to drain. Yeah. That's true. That's true. The waterway thing. Yeah. Depends how much my sink clogs all the time. And maybe that's a personal thing.

7:15Yeah. I put some hot garbage disposal in mind. Oh, what now? A garbage disposal. I said, hot. Oh, okay. A big boy. He was a big boy in there. Put your hand in there. Come back. I feel like after a while. Yeah. My sink at least would start overflowing. And that becomes a problem. Meanwhile, Michael. I'm like, day and boy, get up. Oh, man. He's really. That's beautiful though. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So. Is the question. How are we going to die? How do you want to die? Or what happens after we do? Oh, we do. Yeah. Let me do you think it's just over. I. You strike me over. I do. I think that I'm. I'm. I'm not super spiritual. I'm. As you know, I've. I've revolted against my Catholic upbringing. Sure. I'm necessarily relieved. There's a pearly gay waiting for us. And an old man with a beard saying you did a great job. Yeah. For me neither. For the right. I do. Sorry, my nose running a bit. Don't cry. I do believe. Well, I should. I should. I should dial that back. I do believe in the spirit.

8:15I do believe that at a certain point, your soul will go and join the rest of the energy of the world. I don't think it's necessarily going to be something you're conscious of. Sure. But I always tell my wife because we both want to be cremated. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I mean, ideally, yeah, if I die, you just throw in there. Um, what was she going to live for? You know, although I have told her if I die prematurely, which is probably going to happen. If I die by the time of 60, I want her absolutely to do whatever she needs to do to be happy. Remarry. Whatever she needs to do. She can marry a guy that's taller. She can marry a guy that has more money. She cannot marry with someone funnier than me. I've heard the stand-up said before. I can't do it. Um, but no, I honestly think that I've always thought it would be nice to do like, you know, to return back into the world. And like, I tell my wife, she lives to travel as well as it won't be cremated together. We'll have someone scout our ashes and then we can travel together for that. Oh, that's cute. I like that. Yeah. I used to believe in, like, heaven and hell fairly strongly. I don't think I do anymore.

9:17That's the thing. I'm not really thought about this too deeply. In the back of my mind, I don't know where this comes from. I don't know why I have this thought, but I think I have like a loose belief in like reincarnation. Okay. Like, I feel like once I'm done in this life, I will awaken as like another being which like, again, it has no basis in anything I was like brought up in. Sure. But it just feels like the natural way that it would go. I don't know why. I think there's the idea that the fact that I'm alive in this very moment to get like a little bit philosophical. The fact that I'm alive in 2026 in like this very specific time in history and this very specific, specific place feels so like against all odds that I'm like, certainly this happens again. Like, certainly this is a loop and I just keep being alive over and over again. I like the idea that I like the idea. I just, I like, I find the idea of the soul comforting. I like the idea that there's, you know, only like we're all unified by this energy we can't necessarily explain.

10:22And that when you pass that transfers to something, whether that's another being, whether that's another thing a tree or whatever, I don't know. But I like the idea that there is a life force out there that we're all tapped into while you're alive. And that never goes away. That just transfers to something else. Yeah. See, I think I've come down over the years and after all the Catholic school and everything else yet again. I just think there's, I don't think I've talked about this in a podcast before so I won't go too far with it bore you. But I just feel like there's something bigger going on than where we can possibly know. Like I just think all of this, I mean, I'm talking about seeing my hands right now. Not even the fact that we're being beamed across the entire globe. Like there's something so grander, not necessarily a plan that's happening that I just can't be like. Like a cosmic. There's nothing going on here. Yeah. This is just because one fucking cell thing popped off in the big bang and here we are. How do you believe in this being a simulation? Do you think you die and then you wake up and it's like you're on Earth too? No, I don't, I don't get that, but I also don't.

11:24You know, obviously, as we all have in some respect, I'm sure toyed around with the idea of the world being around me. This is another old game over Greg. Sure. I think just like, I don't think that's preposterous to think. Not like fake, but like that. And not that you guys are fake either or figments of my imagination or something like that. Oh, but like you're the main character. Yeah, right. And yeah, which sounds crazy, but then it's like also like I'm literally living my dream. Every day I wake up to the perfect life. Even if I want the house to work better. Or I wish we had money or anything. You know what I mean? But everything's awesome. Like how can I not at some point be like seems very coincidental that I'm this person right to your point of like. I'm in this moment and that's the thing. It's never to take away from anybody else. So it's like, yeah. But that's my thing is like, it's not me discounting the fact that you're real. Oh, yeah. It's almost like I can't believe I'm this blessed. Right. Like, you know, I think about, because even to stretch my thing further, right? Like, I think about the fact that, you know, I got to grow up in a first world country.

12:24Obviously, there's so many problems, but I could also have grown up in so many other places where I'm not as fortunate or have a family that has like as much money, right? Or like, I could have been born in 1920 or instead of like 1994, right? And lived a completely different type of existence, right? Like, I could have been born as a cow ready for slaughter. Like, there are so many different ways that this thing could go that it almost feels cosmic that like. I was able to roll the dice and be this lucky so many times where I'm on YouTube podcasting about video games as opposed to being a goat. There's so many like micro things that have to come together to get everybody to like this point. So I don't, I, I think about it all the time, but I haven't come down on like an answer because I grew up Catholic. So that is like drilled into me. But then also spend a lot of my life in like the evangelical church, which is like a whole other beast that like blessing understands. And I definitely have like processed through those to come out in like a more unknown like generally spiritual place, I think.

13:30I do like the, I'm similar to Nick and the idea that I like the idea of souls. And something that like I joke about all the time is like saying that like somebody is a brand new soul where like this is the first time that they're like experiencing life. Versus like I don't necessarily feel like that's necessarily me in like a not in a way that I think about that often. But I'm like, oh, I don't feel like this is my first time experiencing everything necessarily. So I do agree in like the reincarnation soul, transfer kind of thing. Yeah, I don't know what the like I do feel like the moment is probably really peaceful. And I imagine that your brain like comes up with something that brings you peace maybe or the world or the cosmos, you know, whatever it is. So I think it is like something deep seated within you. There's a show on effects called dying for sex with Michelle Williams. And it's like her with a terminal illness and like kind of like living her life as she goes through it. And I saw a clip from it the other day and it's like the hospice nurse explaining like what your body does as it dies and like the signs and stuff like that biologically and stuff like that.

14:40And the way that she talked about it, you could tell the actor and like I've heard this from other people that have gone through that process with grandparents or parents or whatever. Talk about like how your body is like so set to do all of these specific things and like medicine kind of fights it. But like that it's like a very peaceful process like it's not. It's not supposed to be like a stressful thing on your body, which I find to be also so interesting. So now I want to watch the show because I'm like, what's the rest of the story? It's just like a TikTok clip. Yeah, you know, when I was in the Catholic school and you're taught about death every day. I was always I was one of my thoughts about it to this question, right? Or just like if you're on the plane and it's about to crash and you're about to have a fiery end, right? Like I can't imagine a loving God making you suffer through that. You know what I mean? I'm like, I can stop it right here. You've all died. You know what I mean? Like and there's an old God. This is a pull I'm sure no one ever expected because who would remember this? There was like a TNT maybe a TBS made for like that network movie. Yeah. About like the first submarine in the Civil War.

15:40I want to say the Huxley. Currently something like that. Okay. And I remember I'm watching this is like a 13 year old for you know how it is. You got to watch something. And I was watching it or whatever. It's a real movie or just like a made for TV. It's a made for TV movie for one of those things. It's a real story. Got it. And basically what happens is that submarine got sunk you know off the coast. And like the way they did it in the film was when the water all filled up rather than the panic and drowned. They all had like a vision of their family in their wife or what? And I was in there with them. And I was like, oh, that's a really cool way of showing. They've all died and not making it this like big to do of like dramatic, crashing at the door and trying to get the fuck out. So you don't die. Oh, that sounds funny. The Huxley. The Huxley. The Banner. I say H.A. It's the Huxley. There you go. I think dude, I don't know. I think about I think about death a lot not in a bad way. I do because I'm getting I've started like I'm at that age. Not that I'm anywhere close to this. But I wear like.

16:40I'm thinking about like retirement. What would that look? Sure. And that's a natural hot. I mean, I'll be over in the corner. Fucking sweeping shit. Yeah. When when when Ben's running the company. But I do. I'm at a place where I'm you know, I'm closer to 50 than I am to 40. And so I'm starting to think about what the the back half of my life should look like. And obviously I want to do this until I can't do it anymore. And until people don't want me to do anymore. But. But like. Well, we're well past that. Well, you're never getting. Fucker. You'd be I'm going to die before you look at me. Or till they're going to meet you at the gates of fucking fish. You're seven feet tall now. I thought shit was flowing here. No, but every every once in a while, I'll just take stock of it. Like you get to a point where you just take stock of it. I'm like, I mean, you know, I talked about this. I think we had Sophia on the podcast. And just enter my grateful stage. I'm just like, I'm so grateful that I get to do this every day. That I get to be a comic that I have a loving wife that I have friends and all these things.

17:40That like some every once in a while, it's going to sound morbid. It's going to be a super morbid. But every once in a while, I'll be so happy that I'm like, I could die today. Oh, sure. And I would have. I if I were if if somewhere to come to me and tap me on the shoulder, they're like Joe Black. Time to go. I beat Joe Black. It's time to go. I'd be like, I feel like I did. I had a good, a good life. Yeah. A real good life. You know, nice. We have super chats. Let's get them involved with it. All right. Of course, if you're watching live on YouTube.com slash kind of funny games, be part of the show. The legend of re says speaking physically, my ashes are going to be shot into space. Going to be an ash. Throw not. It's already in my will. Spiritually no idea. I'm okay with nothingness. Interesting. I see that interests me when you don't have like a religious idea of like what you want to be. But then you also want your ashes to be shot into space. Because I think my my inherent thought would be if I die, I want my body to be contributed to like science. Yeah. Something. Oh, I'm definitely working on it. I would say, yeah, Jim. Yeah. I want somebody to get my colon so bad. It's so clean. Here's what'll happen.

18:43If you die, I'll get it to Joey. I'll get it to Joey. We'll get a new jar. It's going to wear it right tonight. Haunting me. Even now. Yeah. Yeah. To Greg, I leave my shoes to Joey. I leave my upper collar. Oh, here it is. We've cast a resin cast to put on your desk. Yeah. I'm always like organ donation, obviously, 100% making a buck off my body, whatever. Do you have any like caveats for organ donation? Because like my grandma was like, I'll do my organs. Don't take my eyes. I want my eyes. I don't care about the eyes. The thing that freaks me out though was they can take your skin because your skin is an organ. You need for like skin transplant. Sure. That one was one where I was watching Gray's Anatomy. I was like, didn't think about that one. But what the fuck do I care? I don't care. I'm getting cremated anyway, so I don't give a shit. I want whoever gets my organs, I want them to do a survey to make sure they're not like bigoted or like an asshole. Who did you bear? What political affiliation? Here's the thing. When you donate organs,

19:49part of the receiving one is that you have to have like all of your like vaccinations and shots, so you have like the best chance of living. So they're going to at least be like pro medicine. You know what? That's good enough for me. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I like someone to have my eyes. I like my eyes. Yeah. Beautiful. I thank you. I like that. I like that a lot. I mean, nice. Yeah. I every time we drive by the cemetery is around us. I was like, man, what a waste of fucking space. You know what I mean? I mean, I was whatever. Actually, well, it's not good for the environment either. No. Don't we like run out? I feel like we're running out of place. What's the point? What are we doing? Like you just, well, you put all these chemicals at people and they go out of the ground and the chemical seeking to the ground. It's not good. They're in the concrete tombs anyway, right? So they can't do that. Eventually. Are they? I don't think they just put a hole in the ground. No, not anymore. That's been long, long. Really? Oh, really? They put a concrete. They put a concrete. It's a great way to have these little. I guess most people I know are cremated. So I haven't been to like a funerals side, like actual service. They made me spread me out. Actually, you know what? Take me to the local

20:51Starbucks and shove me underneath the chair. That's what I mean. Again, like I, you know, if you're offended because you love the cemetery or it's a tradition or a religious thing, I'm not yucking your yum here. It's just for me. I'm just like, when I think of anybody who's died, like I don't think of like I really want to go pay my respects to this weird, neutral place for other dead people. Like it's like I, and again, that speaks to my own spirituality. I guess even in church where I was like, why am I confessing to Father Mike? Like what the fuck see if you need me talking to God? Like I can talk to God anytime I want. I feel like it's a similar thing in the same way. I'm not like precious about anniversaries or stuff. I know there's so many people get bummed out of like, oh, we're coming up on the anniversary of so-and-so is death. It's like, oh, yeah, I guess, yeah, Porti dies every April, but I don't think about it. You know, it's like most religious traditions. They're just, it's comforting. You know, it's sure. Yeah, exactly. It's hot. Whatever you, whatever you, whatever you have, agreeable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you got to do it. Yeah. I like the idea of having like a physical place, but I think that you, I would pick something more meaningful and like, or like, I think of like bearing our dogs in the backyard.

21:53It's like that where I'm like, and like this better than going to like some generic, you were in plot 243 days. You know, like, yeah, whatever. Another super chat here comes from David. He says, would you rather know how you're going to die, but not win or when you're going to die, but not how? Oh, how? I don't want to know when I'm going to die. I don't, I don't want to know either. Yeah. This has definitely come up in an old game over. Yeah. Because I remember referencing the weird science TV show. They had an episode about this with watches that counted down. One was for when Wyatt was going to lose his virginity. One was when the other guy was going to die, but they, they fixed him up. And so they thought they were about to lose his virginity, but really it was about to die. And then they, they, they, they, they, they learn they could change fate. Because it was like, he was going to be 99 years. They had sex. The other guy was going to die in a week or whatever it was. But is it, one of those things where if you find out how you could like change it? See, it would just be that like, what did talk about second guessing, everything ever? Where it's like, you're, how are you going to die? You're going to die eating a chicken wing. Well, fuck, you know,

22:55I'm never going to quit again. You know, my doing. But then that changes how you would die probably. And so then does that change your thing? Well, maybe it doesn't because I mean, like if this is, you know, we're hypothetical. So eventually, I'm going to eat a chicken wing in same thing with like, when? Yeah. You know, you're going to die in this. Okay, cool. Like, you try to live a healthy life to beat cancer, but it turns out, you know, piano falls on you. Yeah. You can only sequest your self in a safe room for so long then. That's no way to live. Your quality of life is bad. Yeah, I think it'd rather not know. Yeah. Anything. Look at when you win. I'd become a bad person. Because then it's like, I can do whatever I want. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not taking care of myself. Sure. Sure. Sure. I start doing stunts. Oh, wow. I'm building. I'll start doing flips and shit. Like it paid by Red Bulls. What I did. That's pretty cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I want to waste jumping. Oh, for sure. But is that what holds you back from those things? Because I think we'll see what I think it's pretty threat. It's a threat for sure,

23:57but it wouldn't even be that for me. It would be the broken arm. The broken leg. Oh, yeah. You didn't die. Just paralyzed. Yeah. Sure. That's true. Yeah. It's not invincible. I would definitely smoke though. Oh, yeah. If I knew for sure, if someone came to me and said, for sure, you will never get cancer from a nicotine product. Yeah. I would go back to smoking probably tomorrow. The only thing that would keep me maybe stopped me occasionally is that D hates it and can't stay in the smell and it's disgusting and repulsive to her. I can't. But contrasted that with just fucking ripping a heater at one o'clock and drinks outside of it. I would 100% go back to that. You people are smoking more now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm coming back. Coming back. I wonder why? I'm not going to say it's because of the heated rivalry boys, but they do get pictures smoking and looking so cool. And it's like the running joke that like they've set back. I have a friend of mine who may or may not give me a hit of her vape every once in a while. Every time I met punch line, who she was like, I got to stop vaping.

25:01And I'm like, yeah, it's really bad. She goes, yeah, it's so bad for you because I vape constantly now. I've actually thought about going back to smoking. That's crazy. Yeah, I think I'm going back to smoking. That's crazy. I'm going to ask something. I'm sorry. I don't know. What's his in? Is this a little tobacco pouch? Okay. It looks like a piece of gum. Okay. And it's basically remember chewing tobacco or you shoving your mouth. Yeah. That's what the zin packet is. Okay. Except when it's done, pick it out and throw it on the ground. I have to scrape it off of the fucking floor every time. So you say that I was at a I was at a bar this weekend. We wrote our bikes around Marin and we ended up at Pizza Hacker and they have installed a engraved plaque about the urinal that says, stop spitting your zins in here. You ingrate full bass. Yeah. Our staff is so funny because they don't go. They're just like little, a magic little like a little packet. Tiny packet like a salt packet like a triton like a triton gum that isn't like crack. Yeah, it looks a little bit longer. Imagine a cloth packet. Okay. It's got stuff in it that silica kind of. Yeah. But but it doesn't degrade ever. Yeah. You got your mouth and throw it out. Yeah. And then it's like a tea bag. Yeah, tea bag. It's like a tea bag. Gotcha.

26:06And every single person has got I will not allow myself to touch his in. No. I have been offered so many times. I cannot everyone that you want to say, I can't do it. We'll not do it. No, I think it's gross. I think it's disgusting. But also I just know I love them. No, it's like I never thought I'd vape before and now every once in a while, I'm like it is good. Just get a little you get that nicotine your system. You feel alive again. You're like, it's what I used to feel like when I was in my 20s. You know what I'm talking about. Boxy Steve's neighbor trash says energy cannot be destroyed only transferred. Since we all have a spark of energy that keeps us going, that spark goes into something or someone else. Love it. I'm going to try to put my spark into it. It's why I'm bold now. Ryan Pavalla Higgins. I've always said I don't really care what happens to me when I die. I'm not religious. I've told my kids just do whatever you need to to help you grieve. Yeah. That's what I say to general time too. We're like, I don't know whatever you need. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of the same way where I'm like, I don't really

27:08care about being buried or cremated or whatever, right? Like, I'm not going to know what I'm gone. Yeah. I will say to the religious thing like still, I still, even though I don't necessarily believe in heaven and hell anymore, I still every now and then have the fear of like, hobble, if I die and like, they're like, oh, hell's real. And then I have to be like, dammit, I was almost there. Like I was almost. But then I mean like now you're at opening up a whole, you know, religion thing that I love diving into. It's just like, love it too. I find it so hard to believe that if there is a heaven, there is a hell, there is a God that God is literally going to be there when you get there and be like, you were a good person. Like, blessing, you're a good person. But you didn't go to church. You didn't tell this thing. You didn't kill anybody. You were nice to everybody. And you, you know, you really paid it forward and like, the platitudes and all the Jesus stuff, but you just didn't get. So here's what we're going to do. You can't go to have enjoyed purgatory. What the fuck? I've always found that to be such an interesting and silly concept that the only reason why, like, the only reason why you're a good

28:11person is because you have a fear of hell of the hell. Yeah. Yeah. If like, does that make you a good person? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's the age old adage of like, why don't, why are there laws and why don't you break the law? Do you not break the law because your fear of repercussions for going to jail? Or do you not break the law because you don't, because you want to keep everyone around you safe because you're a good person because you believe that like, that is the right thing to do. It's, it's a moral issue, right? Yeah. And I always find it hilarious that that the fear of hell was always like the driving factor for why people don't do bad things in the Catholic Church. I'm like, or how about just you don't do bad things and mistreat each other because that's the right thing to do. Yeah. And that's the moral thing to do. That's what actually makes you a good person. Not, I'm not breaking the law because I'm afraid to go to jail. I'm not speeding because I don't want to kill Greg if he's, if he's going to cry. I don't want to harm someone else. It's not really when you have that conversation with somebody and they are like, well, like, you know, how do, how do atheists know right from wrong? And it's like, well, it's called a conscious, you know? It's the same as you, except we do it because out of the, out of the goodness of our heart, you don't have to do it because we're afraid God's going to smite us. Yeah. So interesting

29:14growing up in the church because I feel like they, especially in like the evangelical church, like you get told like outside of the church, like it's of the world, blah, blah, blah, like all this scary stuff. And I feel like they drill into you that like there is no like morality outside of the church. And then you leave the church and you like meet other people and you're like, oh, these are people that are just like inherently better good because they're not motivated by by fear by the, yeah, the fear of God and stuff like that. And I'm just like, oh, everything that I would have taught, yeah, what if I could keep you in here and in the line and only with the good people? Yeah, it's crazy. It's a, it's a very interesting philosophical question. I mean, the fact that I'm still here and I'm like a little bit afraid of hell right? Like, yeah, I mean, it's just how deep it goes. Yeah, the volume is of which like, you know, people who grew up in church and still go to church, right? And like might still have that fear. Like that shit is rooted deep. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's a left behind books, bless. No, as a kid. Red revolution is that something? Okay. No, the left behind books are like these were, these were turned into movies with starting Kirk cameras. Yeah, it's just like a fictionalized

30:19version of like if the rapture happened and then people got left behind, but like it was huge. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. And then there was like the kid line, which is like what I read and stuff like that. I was just, it came up on a TikTok the other day and in terms of like what the left behind book and all of that stuff and evangelical has led to like the current church being and like the religious state that we like live in now. So many interesting things. Yeah. Can I ask to scare your question based off a great question? Sure. What do you guys think the apocalypse will be like? I don't think it all ends. I, I, I've been thinking a lot about that too. And I can't tell if it's going to be, if it's going to be man-made or, or it's going to be ushered in by AI because everything I've been reading a lot and like listening to a lot of podcasts, but AI and there's a great new documentary coming out that I want to watch as well with a, they talk to literally everyone, like Sam Altman and all these people and just basically like what is the AI apocalypse? How do we, how do we make sure that doesn't happen? And everyone's like, I don't know.

31:21Jeannie's out of the bottle, probably, on that one. It's pretty, it's, it's crazy to think how much the world's going to change in the next five years based on technology. And you were talking a little bit about like the concept of like, I don't, you know, being present and understanding how all of this could have possibly happened and where our brains will never actually comprehend that. I think about that in terms of technology where I'm like, I can't even comprehend how my phone works. Yeah. Right. I don't know. I don't know. Like I tried one time just reading a book about how computers evolved from basic, like, binary switches to this. And I got three, I got three chapters into that. I was like, I don't know what I'm just, it's so far beyond me that I could not even come from, I mean, on a fucking steroids, right? And then you start hearing about AI and how people are, you know, it's, it's decimating the entry level programmer engineer rules because they're, they're programming these AI agents now to basically do all of the basic coding. So the people don't really need to necessarily code anymore. You just need mid-level and high-level engineers

32:21to go and fix it when something happens. But we are not that far away from having AI make something that humans go, huh, I don't know how that works. I don't know what the hell that is. Like, there's no way to go into that and fix the car because the car is so fucking incredible. This is a bad metaphor, but the car is so advanced that we don't know what the hell is going on. caveman trying to fix a, trying to fix the fucking spaceship, right? So it's, it's just, it's going to be real like our site is going to be very interesting in the next five years to see what all of that does and how we push through that. And then, you know, contrast that with the 2028 elections and seeing that might legitimately be the end of democracy in our country. Like, it's going to be a fucking wild ride for the next decade for sure. I was hoping you guys say aliens. I know I think he stoked about that. Aliens would be like a sick way for us to go because like, my realistic answer would be like coming off of COVID, I'm like, oh, a disease is for sure going to take us out. Like, seeing how badly or seeing how badly like the world handled that, right? And

33:22like, how politicized it was as far as like, oh, socially, socially distance yourselves. We're in mass scholarship. And like, right. Yeah, how divided people were among that, right? And how like, a flu like disease was able to decimate us like that? Like, I'm like, oh, if something, if a if a viral infection that was really like, oh, once you get at your fucking dead, like, that breaks out, then we're done. You'd like to believe that we learned as a society, something I'm COVID and saw that that period of our lives and said, you know what? Maybe we should all band together and really kind of come to a consensus of like belief in scientific methods and theories and make sure we all kind of, but I think it's, it's had the opposite effect. And I'm not basing that off of the fact that RFK junior is in a hot tub in gene shorts with fucking kid rock. And that's the guy that's leading health in America in a hot tub. Yeah, it's on it. Oh, no, they went to the hot tub. No, it was a cold plunge. It was a cold plunge. But I was like,

34:23why are you in fucking genes? It's so weird. Our reality is so fractured right now. It's so, yeah. And I don't know if we'll ever be able to put it back together. And I don't think AI is going to help us at all. Maybe it will. Maybe it'll come to consensus of like, hey, guys, I'm AI, I'm actually like, hopefully, I'm the product. The knock on wood is that AI becomes so incredibly powerful and so deeply ingrained into our society that there is, we all come to the consensus that there is, in fact, truth and fact. And that factual nature like, hey, my hope is that AI will not allow us to stray from that. That it'll go, hey, no, no, no, this is we have access to every single bit of information humanity's ever collected alongside some other shit that we don't even know about because we're in quantum computing now. Now we see the fucking Ant-Man's universe. And we've seen through the cosmos and we know what what real is where reality is. There is no maybe fucking sea oils are bad for you. Maybe they're good for you. There is no vaccines are bad for you. Vaccines cause autism. There is none of that shit anymore. Now this is this is a fucking fact. And you

35:24have to, this is what's good for you. This is where we're going to go. I'd like to believe that's what's going to happen. But I think ultimately what's going to happen is whoever's in control of the AI gets to do whatever the fuck you say. I see enough people on Twitter be like asking Grock for the most basic ask questions underneath every single truth. Grock. What does this mean? Grock is real. Yeah. But Grock answers to a degree. Grock answers. And most of the time you go, okay, well, this seems like a decent answer for what this is because Grock's just referencing whatever you go out there and find, right? Yeah. But then people will reply and be like, are you sure, Grock? Like even when even when the AI is like giving a form of like, okay, that's factual information. People still don't want to believe. Well, but it's also how you cue a Grock, right? Oh, yeah. Sometimes they'll go, Grock, what does this mean or what is this reference to? And then someone ask you go, go, are you like, is this really what you think, Grock? And Grock, it'll force Grock to reparse like information and find other sources for it. Yeah. And sometimes Grock's it. So sometimes you'll see a thread will Grock will like literally counteract itself. Just fucking crazy to think about. I like to think that the AI is the next iteration of humanity in that.

36:28I think I think we are. I honestly think we're in the last like, there's something to be said for like, we're in the last throws of humanity as we know it. And we're ushering in the AI. Like AI is going to be. Oh, I thought you went like this. Like, I wish you mustache. That's all. Like in 100 years, AI will be the thing that goes out and colonizes the rest of the universe. And humanity will slowly die. That's great. I mean, that's that's probably the reality. I mean, but I guess yeah, I mean, I'll ask this question. Then I'm going to run in Peter in the ad break, but I won't get back probably in time. So it's doing an answer yet. But the question is, yeah, is there anything positive on the forefront? And I don't mean video games, but like, do we see anything positive? Great point. Is anything getting better? Is what we're going to I'm going to ask and then tack you in? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, because I don't want to take in the question. Yeah, I'll come back. Yeah. Is anything getting better here? Here's what I'll set up. Is anything getting better? Last night, Jen and I didn't have an argument, but we didn't end in a good place. Yeah. Where we of course have a New York trip coming up. Ben wants to go to

37:31spring break in New York. That's where he wanted to go. Fuck yeah. Let's go to the Ghostbusters Firehouse. Let's go to Marvel. Let's get right in the act of one. Yeah. Yeah. Yesterday at the San Francisco fucking airport, right? Ice is throwing mothers to the ground. Yeah. You know what I mean? So we had the conversation that was really Jen venting everything that I had thought all day long. Yeah. And my response was basically like, oh, you know, should we still go on this trip or whatever? And I was very much like, yeah, I know exactly how you're feeling is what I gave her. And she we went around and she came actually by the way, I need more than that. And I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, and we didn't, yeah, we're not a yell at all. You know what I mean? But I come and I'm like, listen, I'm angry and I'm scared and I don't know what's going on. And it is so much right now, smacking of COVID where it was. I'll never forget when COVID was happening. And there was like, you're going to go home for two weeks. And it was that night where I was playing video games. And I looked at my phone and it was like, we're extending it to June or whatever it was. And I went and laid down a bed and it was like spinning of just like, yeah, we are an uncharted fucking territory. And there is, there is no longer a true north. This is where we need to go. This is what we need

38:37to do as individual people, right? And definitely not consensus as a democracy, a world or whatever. You know what I mean? And so here we are six years later. And it feels completely unfucking more right now. And the most insane shit is happening of like watching handmaid's tale and then turning away the lesbian couple at the gate because they didn't acknowledge their marriage anymore at the airport when the fucking Homeland Security was and it's like, here we are ISIS behind TSA and granted these ISISians are all 13 years old on their phone. But it's like, yeah, everybody. This is the kind of funny podcast. We couldn't do without our Patreon supporters on Patreon.com slash kind of funny. Carl Jacobs and Omega Buster. Of course, if you want to be part of this show, youtube.com slash kind of funny games. And yes, live chat, super chat there. And let me know. Is it going to get better? Because I'm losing hope that we got anything that's going anywhere. And I got a kid. That was a bad move probably if that's the case. I'm going to go run and pee. But while I do that, I'll remind you, of course, get your kind of funny membership

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42:48days. I don't. I've been feeling you and I haven't are not watching the same. What documentary did you watch? I watched the Louis Thoreau Manosphere documentary. I'm sure didn't watch that. Netflix. Okay. I don't know that I recommend it. It's more stuff that we all know about like the shitty internet. Bros. Is he like is he like a Tate like an Andrew Tate guy? Who's this? Oh, Louis Thoreau does like a lot of really like really good documentaries and he's like a pretty unassuming guy. So I think that he makes people feel really comfortable really quickly. And so he got in with like a lot of the like shitty. Yeah. All the red pill, Jim bro, Manosphere guys. And it's just like, oh, this is really depressing. Yeah. But they're now really mad that because I don't think they thought that they were going to get exposed like this because they're dumb. Oh, it's like Sneco and like all of these like shitty old. So he was so sorry. I have zero context for any of this. He basically just like embedded himself in with these guys. Yeah. He's like interviewing them and follows them around and like is talking to like their partners and their moms being like, do you care that like your significant

43:53other or your family like talks about you like that? And like then you kind of see the behind the scenes break down a little bit. They're like, well, I don't really think about it for my mom. You know, like all of those things and like it all just kind of breaks it. What is it? It's on Netflix. It's the inside the Manosphere by Louis Thoreau. He had a great one last year as well called the settlers. Yeah. I think I might have caught that one again. Interesting. Mm-hmm. All right. You've all stewed on it. Blessing. You want to stew on it. Is it is it going to get better? I mean, is it going to get better? I don't know. I let I find better. Yeah. The better is the tough thing because this is the problem like with this. I think about this in context of our parents generation, right? And and I go, do we have it better than they had it? And I don't I don't necessarily know that we have an ebbed and flowed throughout the years. But you remember growing up in the 80s being like, oh, we're going to get hit by a nuclear bomb any point. Like the 80s, I think our parents went through the Cuban Missile Crisis. They did all that Vietnam, all these things. I just don't think it's ever been better.

44:53So I don't know if I don't know if it ever I don't know if better is the right metric in that I think that as you get as you become an adult and become more aware of what's happening in the world, it's all a trash fire. It's always been a trash fire. Yeah. We've just put a nice glassy bit of paint over it. And now, unfortunately, social media AI, everyone's fragmentation. The company's actually making money off of all of us hating each other. All of that stuff has been so ramped up. But we just see it more now. That's what I think. Yeah. I think we just have access to being able to see everything more. And that's what we can't take is like every generation's had something where they've gone like, you know, or my grandfather wasn't fucking World War two. Like he was a you know. And so at that point, you were like, imagine the scare that that our families must have felt like my, my, you know, my grandparents must have felt when they were like, we better win this. If we don't win this fucking war, like Nazis are going to take over the entire world or at least most of Europe. And that's going to be really, really fucking scary, right? And then you go forward, you go, okay, well, now that's done. What are we going to do? Oh, well, just, you know, occasionally, occasionally, you might have to hide under your desk because a nuclear fucking missile might lay

45:56in right next to you and just fry everything around you. And that was like, that was like 40 years of that. And now we're back to that, which is great. That's not even talking about like the stuff within the United States of like the Rodney King riots and the civil rights movement and like all of those things are not necessarily global, but the rise of domestic terrorism, the United States, like, you know, by white nationalists, the white nationalist things, that's that scares the shit out of me. I'm not, I'm not, I mean, I'm terrified of having going to war in Iran and putting soldiers, you know, boots on the ground there because I don't want, I don't want any sort of war. But yeah, I just, I don't know. Yeah, that's my thing. That was my answer. It was like, I think things things just change. And I also think that like we become so much aware, so much more aware of things, right? Like I think back to 2020, where they're the George Floyd protests and the amount of people after like, you know, there was the whole week of every single show on YouTube and every single podcast being like, we got to get a black voice on and people talking about it. I was shocked by how many people were like, damn, I didn't know this is happening. And I'm like,

46:56well, the fuck is this been happening for literally forever? Like, right? Like not even just like police brutality, but you think back to, all right, 2014, there was the whole forks and stuff going on. I think back to being in high school and there was like, you know, cases of police brutality in my city, I think back to the 90s, you bring up Rodney King, I think back to the civil rights movement, all this shit, right? Like racism has always been around and spoiler, right? Like it's still around, but people's attention shift, right? And like certain demographics are going to be more aware of it than others because right now, like, I'm still aware of it as a black man, right? But like right now, the world's thinking about AI, the world's thinking about ice, the world's thinking about other things and those popular topics of conversation, right? Or the top popular categories talk about shift and ed, depending on like, who's loudest about it. And so, you know, I think things have always been shitty. And I think the pile, the pile on of like new things that end up being shitty, right? Continues to get added to it. That's because you've been in like,

47:59move, it's flood the zone, like just overwhelm them with information and stuff so that you become disensitized to it and you check out a new stop. Exactly, right? And I think that's just the power of the internet. And like as we're talking about AI earlier, I think that's going to end up being a real big part of AI too is like, how do we manipulate that into being something that's going to freak people out and like, you know, control the flow of information to something that's going to, well, it's already started to happen, right? Where we're heading to that convergence point with where fewer people are checking facts and outside sources less and less. Because let's be honest, we're all we're all falling prey to the ease of use of AI. Like, I haven't every time I Google something, Gemini pops up and says, this is what the answer is and I go, okay. Now, granted, these are all benign searches of like, how much gas mileage should I be able to get out of my car, yaddy, yaddy, yaddy, yaddy, yaddy, or like a basic math problem. But like, we're all we're all creatures and falling and falling victim to convenience. And that's what AI

49:00is going to be. And they know that everyone knows that, right? And we they know like that, that has been Trump's like, Modus operandi for since he took office in the second term was like, do as much as you possibly can because at a certain point, people just go, I can't deal with all that. I just have to boil the world down to like, whatever I can deal with, which is the shit right in front of me, right? But to answer your question, great. That's that's all you can do. That's all we can do, right? It's like, we just have to try to keep making things better for us. We have to try to live the lives that we think are as good people, not because heaven and hell exist at the end of this, at the end of this pipe. But because we do believe that, you know, people deserve the rights of to fucking healthcare, you know, we do believe that everyone should be equal. We do believe these things and we need to keep pushing that forward and push out all of the other bullshit noise that that people want to crowd and push that even further. I think we got to make things better for the kids. Like, not to sound like, you know, I believe in children are our future, but literally children are our future. And one of the things that I think has freaked me out the most in the last six years post COVID is hearing friends that are teachers or people with children

50:01talk about how bad their education is right now and how much kids are struggling in the school because of those, the time spent at home, because of the distractions like TikTok and all this shit, right? Like talking to my sister and her telling me about, you know, how obsessed with like YouTube content, her kids are and like how messed up their attention span is because of the way internet content is constructed to keep your attention going every few seconds. Like, that's the thing where I'm like, oh shit, we are actually fucked it, right? Like on every on like on every side, right? Education, content, attention span, all this shit. Like as long as the kids are good, then I think we'll end up being good in the long run as far as what that looks like. But I don't know if we're set up right now to where the kids are going to be good, which is the biggest thing that worries me. And I'll grab you the one with the kid. Yeah, I know. But I mean, like, I don't know. That's terrifying and, you know, thought provoking and everything else when it's the fact that, you know, one of the reason one of the things Jen and I talk about all the time, right? I was like, how lucky we are to live here and live in the Bay Area, right? Where it is, education is paramount

51:02and they are done really well here. And, you know, the way we're raising Ben and the kids, he's around right now. I'm cranking it again. What is this preschool? They're enforcing screen time the same we are. And, you know, the way we won't even let Ben touch an iPad, but he fucking play Spider-Man too. Like nobody's business. Like that sounds like a joke, but it's not in terms of here's a motor skill and here's problem solving. And here's literally recognizing words and doing things that he's reading. Like I see him leaps and bounds educationally. Do you think that's better for him than me every single night from 10 o'clock to midnight andlessly scrolling through Instagram? This is all of us. This is all. Oh, yeah. It's a bad. I've got it. I've got it bad now, though, where I'm just like, and it'll be hours that go. I mean, it's doing scrolling for sure. I mean, and it is that idea of like, it's just such an easy crux. Yeah, I'm a crush, I should say, sorry, to fall into of you. Have that little bit of gap or you just have need a break and you jump in and you go, but it's a problem of like that's one of the reasons I've left social media so I'm so cold to it nowadays. It's just like even the feeds that were once fun are filled with

52:06the horrors of the world. The horrors of the world persist every day. You can't get away from this. Like I'll be like, oh, I'd explain to somebody who's young right now that like the president used to do shit. You didn't hear about him for fucking months. Yeah. And now every god damned multiple posts in a row in the day and again, I still not have to know all the names of like other politicians in other states. And you know, to flood the zone. And I think that's part of it for me of like, you know, just the real wake up call since 2016 of like what this country is and where we're at and who we're here with and the fact that yeah, like it now worse than ever. And I just, I guess, you know, for me getting better, I'm not even so much focused on the AI stuff, which is a different ball of wax and all this other in racism. Obviously, that's always been here, but it's tied into the fact. They're just like, I feel we are irreparably split apart as a country. I just don't think there's I can't imagine what candidate could come down the line and reunify the nation. If the emperor even lesser be an election in 2022. Yeah. I it's been interesting. It's been interesting watching

53:07people's fragmentation over the last 10 years to then I because we've all seen sort of like the criticism of like like people like people on the right criticizing far left liberals and then far left liberals criticizing alt-right people. And then those criticisms switching were like, well, everyone came full circle. We're like at a certain, you know, the people used to the right used to call liberal snowflakes, right? They say you're too sensitive about everything out of the idea. This is and then when when Trump takes power, now they're complaining about everything. We're like, you guys are way too sensitive about everything. All that stuff. My only hope is that we're slowly but surely on both ends, people are starting to realize like, okay, we can't operate anymore in on the far side of the spectrums, right? We have to start coming closer and closer, closer here and and finding ways to to work together. I hate to say I'm not saying like reach across the aisle and it says for the agitation because I think the Republicans are fucking crazy right now. But I do think that like even in San Francisco, the politics I've shifted just a little bit more, just a little bit more center. And I think that's made a pretty big,

54:10what's that? Is it Bill? Boone. Boone to a degree. Yes, but Boone to a degree that like I've seen some positive changes come from that at the very least, right? I do think that on the other hand, we have Zora mom, Donnie just like kicking ass in New York and stuff. But that's but that's again, I guess my point is everything is a direct reaction to whatever came before, right? So in New York, obviously they came from yeah, Eric Adams, who was not good. Yeah, right? And so that's nice to have that positive swing. We came from London braid. Now we've got Lurie and he's more, he's way more centrist than she is. So I think that that is just the way the political flow happens. And I've seen I'm just looking at the landscape going, okay, people are starting to get tired of constantly be operating in the fringes. And that I think is a good thing. I think it's always a good thing when you go, yeah, here I'm not going to be so set in my ways that I'm going to fight because I'm just on this team. And this is my identity. I'm going to listen to what's going, I'm going to look at the landscape and say maybe something can shift, maybe something can change

55:12for the better for this thing, right? Does that make any sense? I think so. Yeah, the thing that I, here's an example, right? Like I'll say, like here's a perfect example, right? For the longest time break-ins, car break-ins in San Francisco, we're like at all time high. Yeah, right? And that a lot of people criticize that of being like, hey, this is not good for tourism in San Francisco, right? So the swing for that was, okay, well, maybe we need to crack down on that a little bit more, but saying, hey, we're going to crack down on on car break-ins is inherently in San Francisco at that time, an anti-liberal thing because what you're essentially saying is, hey, we need more police to come and do this thing, right? So that becomes the give and take of like, that's the argument. And they were having that discussion. And then eventually they were like, well, why don't we just put a few more cops on the streets and do some stings and actually be smart about this. And that has led to a decrease in that, which has led to optically a better way to market tourism to have to come back to San Francisco and put some more money into our economy. So stuff like that is what I'm talking about where it's like, we have to be able to have those

56:12conversations. And I think we're having those conversations in San Francisco, which is a good thing. You could say what you will. Maybe it's maybe it's the wrong move. Maybe it's the right move. I don't know what I'm saying is at least we're having that at the local level, which is good, which means we'll eventually have it at the state level, which is good, which we are having those, like a lot of great conversations are happening as we're going toward the next good minotorial race in California. And California sets policy for a lot of shit. Like we, you know, say what you will, but Gavin Newsom is probably going to run a 2028. And if Trump doesn't figure out a way to run again, he might be the next best shot we have for bringing some level democracy back to our country. I blacked out. What did I just say there? Good. A lot of positive stuff. He did. You know, you said, I mean, like, but it's what we're talking about, right? I was just like, but I don't know. It's just when we get down to policy, it's like such a conversation of an America. I don't even exist anymore. Like I just don't even know. Like, you know what I mean? Because it is my team versus your team now. It is like the, and it is the fact that it seems like the Republicans and the right can be like, I'm going to totally miss quote, I'm going to try.

57:12But they can unify behind one idea because they, in one person, even if they don't agree with nearly everything, because they want to win. And meanwhile, the liberal side feels like we just tear each other every candidate, every person apart to where I won't support. And then it's like, well, we just can't get all the shit together. Yeah, that's the problem. And so it's like, I don't know how much more, I don't know. It's just, we lost in, we lost the last election, well, for a number of reasons, but, but Democrats have been on the decline because of that, because they've tried to be perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good. Whereas, I mean, I perfectly, arguably, I think that the Democrats issues that they're not being strong enough. Yeah. And people are really pissed about that. But strength does not come from. You cannot please everyone all the time. Yeah, that why is the concession always that we have to compromise and move further right? Yeah, I think that's my thing is like, I feel like when we're looking at the right, right, it is very much the thing of all support, whatever candidate, even if it's the worst person on earth, right, all support Donald Trump, because it is my team versus the other team. And on the left, it is like, we just have shitty candidates. Like

58:14the options that were given are so bad that people just can't agree on like this person, right? Like for the last presidential election, it was somebody that we didn't choose. It was somebody that stepped down and be like, all right, this is what you're presented with. It is like, well, the people didn't choose her. That will go down in history as being the biggest, like, fail of the Democratic Party in history of America by far. The fact that they didn't, the fact that Biden didn't get into office and immediately start propping up the next candidate is proof positive. It's utterly unacceptable. And you see what Trump's doing right now and you see how aligned that he can make the entire Republican party. And he's setting up generational and generational empire right now for anyone who doesn't understand what's happening. Like he is setting up the fact that the Trump fucking family will be in power for a very, very long time. I don't think they have this, I don't think any of them have the sauce to carry it the way that Trump does. No, definitely not. Rubio, not JD Vans, but but they've all fallen in line so hard that you could see that they're going

59:17to who's the next, let's put it this way. Who is the next Democratic candidate? I don't know. We don't know. Why don't we know? Why is there not someone right fucking now? Is that's the guy or person? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, it's Gavin Newsom, which it is. Nobody's happy about it. Nobody's happy about it. But Gavin's the only person that has stepped up and been like, I'm going to mark. But even he does this stupid thing of like having Steve Bannon on his podcast and you're just like, what the fuck? Well, that's getting like trans rights and LGBT rights and the homeless epidemic and all of you know agreeing with Ben Shapiro about, you know, Israel not committing a genocide. And when you have someone like that, which is very reminiscent of Kamala Harris, what that tells a lot of people who didn't go out and vote last time because that's what the Democrats lost to was the couch is that, oh, both parties are serving the same shit. And that is like why we lose is, you know, big establishment Democrats running to the right, trying to capture this like imaginary centrist like voting base that like doesn't exist or trying to capture Republican voters who

1:00:23already have a candidate. And they're just trying to become diet Republicans. Yeah. And that is the frustrating thing. This is in the here, not Calvin press, super chat says. Mom Donney won because he was super transparent on his message and ran on pretty universal issues that helped a lot of people get on board. He's the goat. And that's back to it of like having shitty candidates, right? Where it is like, yeah, I'll open Diet Coke when people want to fucking Dr. Pepper. Like I like you look at this and it's so I wasn't nearly politically engaged at all enough. I mean, I was paying attention, but not to where I was talking or doing podcasts about it, right? But like fuck Bernie Sanders would have been great. You would have been fucking great. But of course, the Democratic party was scared of him because he wasn't an established Democrat. He wasn't. Instead, well, they shot. Well, I mean, I was thinking before then with, you know, yes. I still think to bill. Sorry. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. You're hundred. Hillary's going to be a monster. They tore P though that. And it's like because he's not the establishment. It's not the thing. It's not the same thing they tried to do to mom, mom Donney, too. Yeah. And just to go back to just because I was thinking about it, like I think Larry

1:01:26getting the SF mayor ticket. I don't know if it's the best example or talking about like reacting to the thing before because I from what I remember, those elections results were like really tight. There are a lot of people running for mayor. Yeah, but I don't think breed. I don't think breed was even in the top three, though, right? No, but it was like a bunch of other candidates. Like what I'm trying to say is like, it's not like SF came together and was like, luri by a landslide. No, I got this like this billionaire who is the heir to the vice right. Yeah, who is like again, centrist, just doing more of, you know, mask off what breed was doing, which is just serving, you know, the tech bro industry in San Francisco. So, yeah, that's another thing where it's like, it's also the amount of money that certain candidates can have to really just hammer themselves through. Yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. That'll be interesting. We'll see what happens. I guess

1:02:26getting better. My one thing for things getting better in terms of like the AI conversation that we started with is I think that AI is going to get to a point where people are not going to be able to know what on their phone is real or not. And I can already see it happening with like different groups that I'm a part of that people are trending more towards tactile hobbies and stuff and me and more inner like in-person relationships and like less internet stuff. So, I'm hoping that that trend continues and we decide to like connect to humanity instead of it's crazy how miserable it's been to be on the internet to where I feel like I've had that where I am out playing volleyball. I'm playing Magic the Gathering in person with people doing table top games in like I used to spend if you asked me during college to my young adult years, right? Like I'll spend all my time on the internet on Twitter in the kind of funny Facebook group, right? Just like that was my social space. And I feel like I feel like more and more people are just going to be sick of being a Twitter. And that's what you're saying, right? Like it is the I do not know the generational breakdown in terms of like the Gen Z millennial. I know the younger

1:03:31generations are getting away from that and craving a walkman in a CD player and now he'd be dialed in all the fucking time to a hellscape that's not cool anymore. Yeah, but I think about Ben's generation, right? And I think about how he's going to grow up and and I think we're all stuck in the AI's crap right now, but it'll get good eventually, but we won't care because we know the difference. But eventually Ben's generation, that whole class of kids are going to grow up and they're going to grow up and AI is going to be the entertaining thing. It's not necessarily going to be what we think it is. It's not going to be like narrative content, but like AI is going to AI generated content is going to is going to be so incredibly good in 10 years that it's going to probably put a lot of people like us out of a job. That's the thing that that scares the shit out of me is like people go, it'll never be that good. I'm like, it almost are like it's getting so interesting now that I wonder if anyone's going to give a shit about some me posting a video on, well, they don't already, but me posting a video on Instagram reels about San Francisco, right? What the fuck are they going to care? What's it going to be? It's just going to be an AI generated movies on Instagram every fucking day, everything new.

1:04:34I think something that's interesting that I talked to with my teacher friend similar to blessing is technology used to be the thing for the upper class kids, like a privileged thing to be able to like know how to use computers and all of that kind of stuff. It seems like the shift now is that the most privileged kids are not getting screen time, engaging with technology less, and they're really focusing more back on like reading and education. So I wonder what that's going to look like long-term. That was my thought, jumping to you talking about these kids, how bad it is for the educational system, and me, what I'm seeing with Ben, and like, it's hard not to go well that's a leg up for my son, right? And that's back to your point, though, right, of like we're in the Bay Area, where people are putting a privilege on that, we're not having to work three jobs. So I'm parking him in front of an iPad TV or whatever to walk off and go do it. And then I, yeah, to, and I mean, back to your point, you were making of like Ben's generation and what AI will be, and I think it's so hard to talk about, because yeah, who knows what it'll be a year and a half from now, right? Let alone 10 years

1:05:37or whatever it is. And that's the idea of like, I would put it this way. I would have back in the day, my parents generation was like, this YouTube thing is not ever going to be a fucking day, right? And so it stands region logically that whatever AI is producing, it might not be the thing. I see a lot of people in the chat saying, no, it's garbage, it's garbage right now. It is garbage right now. What I'm saying is, trust me when I say this, because I've been through this a lot in generations. I've had a lot of younger friends. Everything I've always thought was garbage. They're like, no, I see the value in this. There will be value in AI generated content. And it will be something that people, newer generations really like to interact with. And it will put a lot of people out of jobs, specifically people who are doing traditional media, just like YouTube put a lot of people out of jobs that were doing, you know, television and film and radio back in the day. Well, not radio, but podcasting but radio out of business. But I don't know what that's going to look like, but it is here. And it is going to be a thing that stays. Sorry, I interrupt you. One of one of the things that, that coming up to fear, that scares me. One of the conversations I was having with my sister, who, you know, my sister

1:06:37listen Seattle is married to somebody who works in tech in Microsoft, like, you know, lead of their team. And I've gotten the conversations with him about AI. And he's a super educated dude, right? And obviously I very pro AI technology. Very interested in having conversations because he wants to know where people think it's going to go on all this shit, right? I was talking to my sister and him and one of the things they were talking about was like, yeah, no, we got to make sure our kid knows, like, how to use AI and all this shit because he doesn't, he's going to get left behind because that's going to be such a normalized thing. And that's the thing where I'm kind of like, damn, because if I'm Greg, or if I have a child, I'm going to look at them and be like, yo, we are separating you from this thing. I don't want AI to become a crutch for you and your brain and how creative you can be and how you think in all this shit. But I also want you to be able to function in school and function in society. And to next point, I do think there will be a, I don't know if value is the word, but there is going to be a presence of AI in the future. I think I predict, right? I hope it's not in like us, you know,

1:07:41there's everything's AI generates sort of way because I think that's a very scary feature to have. But there is a knowledge that we're going to have to pass on or that people are going to have to learn or to function. I think at least a little bit. So I'm painting doom and gloon as far as like content generation is concerned, right? Sure, sure. And I don't know what that's going to look like. I just know that at some that with that it's here for fucking forever in future generations. I don't know if they're going to like it or not. I don't know. It is 100% from the work from from a production standpoint, from like a workflow standpoint here to stay. And people are now seeing I think a more positive way to look at it is in that it's creating tools that will then allow you as a creative or as a person who wants to get something done to do shit that you couldn't ever do before, specifically AI agents and programming things like that where it is 100% going to be in the workforce forever. It's going to be in it's going to radically change education forever because you're just not going to need to have to learn how to do those basic things. But I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing, right? I don't need to know how a camera works to be able to

1:08:44use the camera. I don't need to know how programming works. If I want to go, hey, I want to make it out that my better Joey's life, but I don't know anything about programming. Why can't I do that? It's it's a give and take. I'm just saying it's not necessarily the worst thing ever if we use the technology properly, like every technology that has come before and not a crutch, right? Exactly. And I think yeah, it's better that something for what I'm also saying is like, sorry, I didn't wrap you like back in the day. This is probably exactly how people felt about calculators. They were like, you can't do basic, but now everyone uses a fucking calculator. We don't, who cares about basic? People don't even have a right curse of anymore. They don't care. These technologies come and they help us do other shit. And then of course, one of the things I talked to with my brother in law, right, was that like he mentioned, you know, if a process like he was talking about game development with AI and I was like, people do not want AI created games around this back and forth. And one of the things he mentioned was like, well, are there processes that people have while making games where if you ask 100 people to do this thing, they all do the exact same thing. And I'm like, I'm sure, yeah, that's probably a thing, right? And he's like, yeah, that's where AI can come through. And I'm like, okay, that makes sense, right? But it's those things where

1:09:46creativity's involved, right? A human touch is involved. Like when we're talking about content creation, for example, I do find it tough to think that like even 10 years from now, people will just be watching AI created movies because I don't think you can get a creative art form to be good enough via AI generation to where people will like it as much as something that has a huge touch. I think there's a chasm here that we talk about in games all the time right now, where we are so our industry side of it, our side of it, anti-gen AI, right? Because we don't want to take away the jobs of people and we don't think that they can replicate that. And then to jump, and then we also have this conversation though that non-generative AI, just AI obviously could be helpful and could do all these different things, but it's using it. And so when we're trying to project what's happening in the future, I think that's the issue that runs into, right? Where it's like, AI do things here to stay in some regard, whether it be the biggest thing in the world or the smallest thing in the world. I don't think in this is maybe me, of course, the candle salesman saying

1:10:48that electricity isn't going to stop my business, right? But I don't see it in terms of content generation like you were talking about putting people like us out of business. What I would see the business becoming is, all right, then not our business, mind you, but another business that, yes, there is an AI movie every day happening. People talking about them and what is good and what is bad and what is not. Back to your point, then, of how it's using, I right now don't see how AI could come in and be like, it's Martin fucking Scressese because it will watch the Martin Scressese film, right? But I could see creators who are using AI years from now and it's even better than it is now who do sit there and go, all right, in this scene, I want X, Y, Z, and you write the script and you put it in and then they make it happen. I don't think, again, in 2026, that sounds like fucking garbage to me, but I'm talking about it. I'm talking out my ass about what could come and what could happen. How it could evolve. It's, it's to me. It's, I don't want that future. I want Martin Scressese. Yeah, but what's the, but what is the difference between that and granted, look

1:11:48it, I'm playing doubles advocate here. I never, I don't want any of this shit. I hate technology. I don't know what any. I fucking hate my phone. I hate all this shit. That's why I do stand-up comedy every fucking night because it's a mic and a bunch of people in need. That's right. It couldn't be more fucking analog. I don't even like literally real talk. I don't even like using wireless mics when I do stand-up comedy. I like the tactility of plugging into a board. Yeah. Everything's there. It's all analog and I'm with these people in this space and it makes me so fucking happy to be able to do this every single day. So I don't want any of this happening happening. Having said that or it's going to be headed eventually is that Martin Scressese will be either the person who goes, hey, this is what I want. Hit the go and then seize the iteration, go, tweak this, tweak this, tweak this. We're out or they make the Martin Scressese bot. That just, the AI agent, that just makes movies like Willful Wall Street for the rest of the day. We don't know what it's going to be. All I'm saying is the other problem, the big problem and I guess the crux of my argument why it's going to take over eventually is it's just about the distraction. It's not going to necessarily replace us. It's just going to generations are going to go by and go, I'm just more

1:12:51and more distracted by it and it's taking a more and more error whereas people like us are going to go, well, we just have fewer and fewer people who we can't get our message through anymore because there's so much fucking static out there about all this shit that is just not fun to watch, not fulfilling to watch. But we already, we started this conversation off by saying I do school every night on shit that's not even good anyway. I'm already doing it. And I'm our and half of that shit is either AI or fucking the worst story I've ever seen in my entire life, which is, you know, fucking ice goddamn, like a real story, an SFO. And I don't know, I guess, I guess it's a long-winded way of saying like, how will people like us eventually break through the noise when the noise is just a tsunami that's coming at kids every single day? Yeah. Yeah, I think I view it as the as the art of it versus the content of it, right? I think there's just something inherently interesting and entertaining and fun and more inviting about something that's actually made by Martin Scorsese versus something that's pretending to be Martin Scorsese, right? And all of this generative AI stuff is like pulling from

1:13:54whatever it's scraping to get all of it. And when there's no base like creative stuff to scrape from anymore and it's creeping from more AI. Yeah, like it's inherently impossible for AI to create something that's brand new because it's scraping from all of these things that are original thoughts. Yeah, like there are gay, like, what's the game from Sunset Visitor? Well, 1,000 X resist is a game that could never have been made by AI, right? Because that is that game playing that game. I'm like, this is an original thought. This is an original thing that that is here. And I think people crave that. And I think honestly, like it might, the only way I see AI making the movie or the creative entertainment industry better is by making people go, all right, we got to walk in more. We got to make more original content. I mean, that's the thing. Well, then one second, because what we're talking about and like the noise and break and like, I think it to some degree, while sounds crazy, it would be back that situation of the cream rises to the top, right? Where if it is that we are just getting more and more generative AI garbage. And even if it is a person sitting there going, I want this thing to look like that, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta. Like you just watched Wonder Man. And like Wonder Man was such a great

1:14:57reminder to me and so many of the different podcasts or whatever interviews I've listened to, like Ethan Hawke and stuff, of watching an actor who loves the craft make choices and sit there and even though they use it against the main character, Wonder Man is a joke, right? Of like back stories and this and why they said this, what if I paused here? It's like, even if you were the director, even if you were Martin Scressese sitting there going through an AI being the entire film, you wouldn't be able to get in the head of the character, the way Leonardo DiCaprio does to make that choice to make that pause do that thing. So if someone, if that is the future and it is every day, there's a thousand movies released on AI that are, eh, when there is the one that is released on film that is awesome, that's an experience like that is going to be loud and echo, as it does now when there's something incredibly special. Yeah. You guys are, yes, 100% 100% agree. And I hope that's the case forever. But I do want to point out that all the AI slop that's currently on the internet right now is still being made by someone, a human being, right? So it's not like AI is making AI. It's not like when you dial in and you see Bert Reynolds

1:16:00as Wolverine, which is fucking dope. And I'm like, I want to watch that movie back. That's my algorithm, which is just like, it's a bunch of just like slow old actors like shaky to those hands, but it's like, it's like, Robert Redford is. But if you don't watch it, the man doesn't come your algorithm algorithm. That's me. It's wildly different. But again, it catches my, I mean, I hate to say it. I hate to say this. And every single person here has fallen prey to this, whether you're willing to admit it or not. At some point, some things caught your eye where you're like, what is that? And you click on it. And it's bad. But you go, huh, that's it. I mean, I would have never like the thing that always gets me is recasting the X-Men or recasting the Avengers as other actors. We're at Schwarzenegger store. And I'm like, oh, but I hate looking at that. I know. Absolutely. I thought that you'd sold that. It was only on Facebook too, where I'm like, okay, well, this is getting the oldies. But, but what I'm saying is, here's the thing. It is. It got me, right? It's shit like that. It's not, and I recognize that it's an and my first instinct is like, my first instinct is, holy shit, that's interesting. I would watch

1:17:00that movie, right? I would have watched, I would have watched a movie. If you could go back in time, pluck these actors, pluck Clint Eastwood out from when he was like, you know, 35 years old, and plug him into a Wolverine move right now. That is cool. Then my second thought is, God, this is garbage. Why am I looking at this? Right? But it's, but it's those are they're very close together. And I'm just saying that somebody thought, hey, what would it look like if Clint Eastwood was Wolverine? And it's back in the day, you would have to draw it. And now they just go, blah, blah, blah, blah, and an entire lake of water gets evaporates to render the stupid fucking thing that I interacted with for five seconds. And that happened. But that is. But if we don't engage with it, then we get less of that and agree. But you are, but you are, but you're, you're, again, you're fighting the tsunami. There's just no possible. Well, I'm not, I'm not going to just sit there and let it take me. I'm going to do something. You know, I mean, if this thing sucks up all the water, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm, oh, the mind of like, I'm not going to comply in advance. And I'm going to fight it in whatever way I can fight it now. But I told you, I like, the thing I do agree with it, then we'll see like in 10 years, the fidelity of this shit is going to be insane. And that's the thing.

1:18:04I mean, I already, it's already fucking. I'm scared of the misinformation part of it. Right. That's what, that's what gets me is like my algorithm knock on wood is AI free. I mean, they tried to, it tries to get in there, but I scroll past it, right? And the shot says, one account that I don't know which one it is where sometimes I'll stop and think it's AI. And he puts in his photo shops. I made this in Photoshop. Yeah. It's like, it's Christopher Reeve is Superman, but it's some other Christopher Reeve film in Kingdom Come Land. He's done anyways. But it's the idea that like, as what it'll get me now is that it's not in my algorithm, it'll be like on a Reddit, where yesterday there was this one I saw where it was like to whoever filled their fucking trash can with cement. And it was like this, and I opened it up and it was like the first comment pinned was, this is it. I was like, God, it's always, I know, it always is. Yeah. Every like the move, like the clear fan casting, whatever, the things where you look, I'm like, that's fucking garbage. But when it's a stale or something like, ah, fuck you, God, no, every single time I see Will Smith eating that spaghetti, I'm like, damn it, it's getting, looks more real. I hate it. You don't remember this? No. Well, Will Smith eating the spaghetti.

1:19:08Yeah. When the AI, I forget what the application was called, but when like AI video first started popping up, the one of the popular viral things that was going around was like a fucking horrifying video of Will Smith eating spaghetti, where it's like, it's faces falling apart, like his arms going into his head. Like, obviously, it was like very iteration number one. And now with every new AI iteration of like the new video, they just do that again. He's showing Will Smith eating spaghetti as the benchmark for how good this thing looks. And now it's gotten to the point where it does look elegant. It is like, Oh, shit. All right. His yes, five fingers. No, but he's chewing correctly. Again, it's like AI. But again, I never wanted anything to change. I never want to take. I love film. I want people to make films for the rest of the life. I want Pixar to continue to, you know, employ animators and sound designers and musicians and voice actors and all these things. I really desperately want that. And I don't, I don't want AI to go around and everyone in the comments are like, Oh, Nick's acting very defeat us right now. I'm not acting defeat us. I'm just saying that there, there is, it is here. It is a tool that will be here. And to paint it

1:20:14in a positive life, we need to control this tool and use it to make art. Yeah. I think you're being realistic by a little bit. It's just, it is just a reality, right? This is the exact, and again, I'm older than a lot of people. This is the exact same conversation that happened when CGI started happening in movies. People are like, we got to revolt against this shit because all the matte painters are going to lose their jobs. Spoilers, they're all gone to defend you. It's just the way it is. Like I, I, there are some shots earlier that I saw that were there. Like it's not going to be here in 10 years. It's not going to be here in 20 years. I think that I think that's one hundred percent. I think it's going to be here. There are too many people that have billions. This is breaking while the spot cast was happening. What is that? Open AI said to discontinue Sora video. Yeah. Yeah. We click on it. Let me read it. Why? It's not going to be tomorrow. Damn. That's crazy. Now, probably because they're getting so much money from the government. Open assets to this. Yeah. Right. There are too busy. You've been going to run with palette. Reuters. Open AI is discontinuing its video generation tool. Sora, according to a post on social media site X on Tuesday, Sora launches a standalone app in September. Oh, that's it. So it's just that. Yeah. This is the Yahoo. Like finance report. Got it. Got it. Got it.

1:21:17But yeah, just to bring up of like, don't give into like the idea of the inevitability of this. I also think like, yes, like there are CG animators that replace what you were just saying, Nick, but it's also like, there's still an artistic process in that word is this creative quote-unquote tool that completely wipes that away and takes away the human element. I'm not saying people, I'm not saying that I think people will go in. Well, actually, I'm saying this in 20 years, 30 years, we will go in and just fucking type a prompt and it will, it will create a movie. It will 100% might be a good movie, but that's, that's something that scares me and keeps me up tonight. That is what we're, they're editor. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, I dial it back to what Greg was talking about earlier, right? I think of, I think of this in terms of how, of ease of use for creators. And I made a standard video a few weeks back that had a pendulum swinging across the street. Do you guys remember that one, right? Yeah. Okay. So I, the joke was how do we slow traffic? How about a giant pendulum that swings across the street, right? 10 years ago, that would have taken me three days to rotoscope out my body to be able to

1:22:20do that joke. I would not have been able to do that joke. After effects has a roto tool. Now we're used, click on the fucking picture and paint me and it goes, I know what you want. And it generatively goes in and it rotoscopes me out. This is 100% a tool that every single after effects user on the fucking planet is using. And that's my thing. Nobody's revolting against that because nobody wants to spend three weeks rotoscoping themselves out when you can click a button, walk away, take a piss, come back and it's ready to rock. If we can keep it to the things where it's like, give it to 100 people and they do the same exact thing, right? Like, crop me out of this photo. Yeah. I'm like, that's the way to do it. And this is where we're coming back to the Casamarat, where there's AI as a tool and then there's generative AI that's doing all the thinking and fucking whatever it's about. AI is a tool that I think is what's here to stay. The AI generative AI take over and take movies, etc. Don't correct me. I know that it predates a generative AI. I know that tool has been there for a while, but all I'm saying is that is a tool just like what he's talking about with you. There's going to be uses for AI that aren't the worst thing in the fucking world. They don't kill a lake that don't rob us of creativity that don't accept or accept or accept.

1:23:23It's an idea that I just don't know on this highway we're hurtling down as your video game talk show guy. What the fuck that is or where we're going to be with that? Let alone if there will be a fucking election in two goddamn years. You know what I mean? Back to everything being terrible. Yeah. Can this could be at least what was it? Was it a fuck anthropic, right? At least they were like, hey, we're not going to give you AI to use to fucking surveil people and then nobody I was like, we'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it, of course. Final Super Chat of the day comes from Foxy Steve. Times are incredibly hard, but please everyone I beseech you to find ways to avoid giving you denialism. Focus on things you care about. Disengage from the noise if you have to. Your peace of mind matters. 100%. Which is back to it. Yeah, you know, choose what you engage with. Choose what you give your time to. Don't just, you know, I'll say it right now. Joey's right. I'm not engaging in AI slop anymore. You've changed. You have to block the accounts. Oh, I don't. I don't know. But every time I see one, I'm like, block, I know, but my algorithm. I'm scrolling through it. I'll see it for one second. I'll be like,

1:24:25all right, I'll keep going. It doesn't even occur to me until it's past three that I'm like, I should go back there. That's your homework. That's your homework. That's what I'm going to do. Everyone, I'm going to I'm going to block all the AI accounts from now on. And I'll stop sending in a blessing. Keep sending me the weener dog that he's the cucumbers. Oh, man. Now my why D is not on Instagram. So now I have to screen capture it into the video. Oh my fucking god. The cutest thing on the planet. To the super chat. I will say I am happiest when I am not spending my days. 100% my days all percent. Yeah, I do less than ever. Touch, touch grass. Go out. Be happy. Only pick up your phone if you're listening to this show. Make new friends. Take care. Get new hobbies. Everybody. This has been another episode of the kind of funny podcast. Thanks for hanging out with us. Remember, we recorded live youtube.com slash kind of funny games, twitch.tv slash kind of funny games podcast services around the globe each and every week. If you really loved it, pick up a kind of funny membership patreon.com slash kind of funny youtube.com slash kind of funny games. Apple Spotify. You give us 10 bucks. We give you every show we do. That's

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