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3:07Yes, we're gonna try and help help all of us myself included to understand what I'm supposed to say right now But it particularly Google's Google book event which happened today, but we can't really talk about it But we can still talk about Google books does that make sense? Why I don't understand. We'll tell you what we know. I'm Tom Marrett. I'm Jason Howell. Let's start with what you need to know with that big story Yes, so we've been talking about this is it's no secret that an event happened in New York City Just this morning a big Google book event But apparently it is a secret as far as what happened there because we can't talk about that But we still have things to talk about some information that is being discovered some of it being announced by Google I pretty much can promise you that we'll talk about the event details sometime next week And I faithful Ron Richards was there. I can confirm that But I can't get the details yet. So you're gonna have to wait for that

4:09What do we know about the Google book right now? Why are we even talking about it? Well, we do know that Google plans to open pre-orders for the new Google book On Monday September 21st that is next Monday 9am Eastern so 6am Pacific if you want to get up real early on the West Coast This is of course their laptop that is powered by Gemini intelligence and It's gonna be it sounds like there's a lot of partners in line here Acer Assus Dell HP Lenovo we don't have any specific models named yet by Google We also don't have anything as far as pricing or shipping dates However, the Mac Observer reported on exclusive Lenovo images and a product sheet for the Lenovo Google book 15 This might act as kind of an example or a sampling of what you can expect from other manufacturers I'm guessing this is a premium laptop metal chassis 15.3 inch

5:12120 Hertz OLED touch screen Intel coral tra 5 325 processor inside up to 32 gigs of RAM You know, it's it's got Wi-Fi 7 it's got dual thunderbolt four ports It's got a Google key on it. So you're used to seeing like you know, like a Microsoft key on your on your windows machine or whatever This has a Google key. We don't really know what it does Maybe we can guess around what that function might be here The laptop also has a 5 megapixel RGB webcam Physical privacy shutter so you can flick it closed and and get some privacy On the outer lid is the glow bar and this is a thin multi-color strip of LED light I'm assuming it's LED That Lenovo says provides at least right off the top it provides battery and charging status. So Okay, that's interesting. I mean, it's kind of like the the little glowy thing on the back of the pixelized opposed but in bar form Who knows? There's a fingerprint reader facial authentication listed as well

6:15Lenovo is also set to offer an AI mouse for Google book. That's what it's called AI mouse for Google book Which will share the multi-color accent that is shown on the laptop. No word on what makes it an AI mouse But I think it's relatively safe. I don't know you tell me Tommy You know, we know that the Google book has this magic pointer functionality Which is essentially Gemini intelligence baked into the pointer so when you know it hovers over a certain thing You can get immediate use it as immediate context for Gemini. I mean might that be what an AI mouse is? I don't know that's more software than hardware I but I'm not yeah, I'm like cannot AI mouse not use magic pointer Right all the curious as well or does it mean like they used an LLM to fine tune the precision of the pointer Probably don't doesn't mean that it probably just means it can do The magic pointer thing like any other mouse good, but that's my yeah, that's silly. Let's just call it a mouse I think it's also silly That Google had this big event that we know Ron was at and that Ron's gonna talk to us about once you know everybody else knows about it when pre-orders start on Monday

7:25I I don't quite understand maybe they're going for the double punch which we're falling for right now Which is talk about it now talk about it Monday, right? That that could be what what's up Because today the official news is pre-orders will open Monday Usually you tell people when pre-orders will open after you've told them what they're going to order though So it's a little odd to me well, and it kind of plays in the Google's Well playbook from the last couple of years with its hardware events not you know related to Google Booker like it's pixel events where It does like this year for example the pixel event The actual event the live stream event happened in the late afternoon evening But embargoes for the news that would be announced that the event happened in the morning Yeah, and you know and and then they do these trickle release of certain details ahead of time I mean it really is just I guess effective marketing because what it does is it puts into the news zeitgeist More reasons on more days to talk about their thing that's coming up

8:28Yeah, so I don't know I'll talk about it more on Monday with Ron probably yeah Today the news is Google has shared a bunch of information about Google Book with people that it told don't tell anyone And we want to know I mean, but we already kind of but then they asked you to order it It's one thing to share. I totally I don't do embargoes myself and I know you do and that I have there's there's all different ways of approaching this embargoes are fine and dea's are fine what is odd is telling everyone in the world you can pre order our product Yeah, and we all know that you've told a lot of people about the product so we all know that you had an event be cool if the rest of us knew what it was too Yeah, what are you trying to hide is what it makes me wonder like why usually you delay Information like in the movie business you delay the reviews until launch day to kind of bury the bad reviews I don't get the impression that that's what Google is doing here, but it is sort of the it is sort of why you would do that sort of thing

9:31And I'm having a hard time coming up with another reason why they would do it. Yeah, and I mean maybe Maybe if it was only their product like if it was truly just a You know a Google book by Google Then the Maybe we want a barrier or maybe we want to push this stuff until the very end might make sense But they've got so many partners like there's going to be so many different Yeah, there's so yeah, this is more of a Microsoft style lunch than yeah, then a pixel style lunch So yeah, now that's it Honestly, you may have just hit on it the fact that they've got so many partners Means there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen with a lot of different requests and requirements Whereas with Google they can be like yeah, we'll just make the pixel announcement in the afternoon and do the NDA lift in the morning We're Google we control the whole thing so we'll do whatever we want Yeah, are you at all excited about the Google book? I mean, this is a you know, tell you I'm a redox of Chromebook or I'm for one like I guess I don't mean to sound flip it when I say that but like I don't know Give me the details. I know we got some leaked details about Lenovo But I try not to get too excited till I see the official details so uh, I'm I I'm excited to learn more

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13:49powered by AT&T business built to work get AT&T business at business.at.com Hi, this is Brook to Vard from Naked Beauty I am always looking for ways to elevate our daily rituals and the colder smart toilet is proof that design changes everything It's the stunning sculptural piece that feels like quiet luxury for your bathroom It totally transforms your daily ritual into something elevated with customizable cleansing and touch screen controls It's functional art that makes your space feel cleaner and more intentional a modern home deserves a modern toilet Experience the difference of colder smart toilets find more at colour.com All right, there's lots lots more of actual news that we can talk about So let's get to the briefs. Yeah, Valve did this weird thing where it announced its product Details and let you order it at the same time. It's crazy

14:51The steam frame Starts at a thousand fifty nine dollars, which is a lot for a VR headset There are some reasons why it's a very comfortable headset. There's a lot of features on it Also just stuff costs more now And Valve is also not subsidizing it with a bunch of monetization of your personal information So the reviews are coming out of embargo now most reviewers seem to see the headset as an ambitious expensive first gen VR product That may not appeal entirely to the mainstream VR buyer But you VR enthusiasts might find something you like digital foundry compared the high price tag to the meta quest 3s Meta quest is $700 cheaper Arstectica pointed out that six gigahertz wireless adapter makes PC streaming a strong selling point For the steam frame and it has a low five to ten millisecond latency and testing CNET and ours though both agreed that the experience is still a little buggy and crashy so far And game support is hit or miss out of the box you have to look to see what games are supported that applies to VR

15:57But also the fact that it can play PC games, but it can't play all PC games The headset is relatively lightweight very well balanced 440 grams. That's a round a pound Arstectica's Kyle or Lynn sees the headset It's a little bit over engineered a little bit under baked And he suggests that maybe the less expensive quest 3s Or three make more sense to buyers Unless they want steam VR or they don't want to give any other information to meta or Facebook or They want half-life Alex Which has the unique ability to run On the chip it's embedded in the machine Or you can run Linux apps in desktop mode On the steam frame Overall the headset sounds like a pricey product with some rough edges To smooth over while we're talking about things you wear on your face HTC's vibe eagle smart glasses are hitting the US and gadget has its review of the glasses saying they are also too expensive at $500 and

16:58Engagic called them inessential in how they integrate AI and take pictures I don't know Jason you you use these smart glasses quite a bit you review a lot of these I'm guessing you have a take on the vibe eagle, but I also want to talk about the steam frame I mean five eagle sounds interesting, but you know you got to justify the fact that those glasses are $500 and the the winners in the room Or at least the ones that have been mostly adopted and the ones most people that are actually wearing these camera glasses on their face Are the meta ones which are you know two three hundred dollars cheaper so Yeah, so you know take it what it's worth HTC is not the same Hardware company that they used to be and um, you know, so I would love to check them out But it sounds like they're pretty darn expensive for what you get kind of a rocky experience But then a thousand fifty nine dollars or more Yeah, yeah or more you can you can spend what I'm trying to find the terabyte model Starts at a thousand two hundred ninety nine dollars if you want to spend even more

17:59for the steam frame, but It does seem like there is something there for somebody who really is like I don't want to live in the meta universe at all. I do Want the most advanced most comfortable headset I can get Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it and it looks like a nice headset, you know Anytime you're starting kind of a new like hardware effort like this. Yes. Of course out of the box the game support is going to be You know limited you got to start somewhere. It does look like a nice headset though And I you know, I just wonder again like this question. I feel like every It's very cyclical around VR which is a VR moment happens suddenly everybody's like okay VR is back this time it's gonna work and then you know it kind of fades and I feel like now At least my own purpose perception is we're in a bit of the low Place and it's like okay, so then who does this headset actually appeal to You know certainly it has its own it appeals to the hardcore steam PC gamer certainly

19:01But not every one of those wants to do VR And the fact that it's built on the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 and 3 Is a compromise and it compromises that's one of the reasons you can't play all the games on it If but you can stream all your games to it, right? So yeah, that's it and that's a big plus That's what some of the reviews are really leaning into is like it's a great, you know, game streaming device Yeah, it's a great companion headset for your PC which is why I'm like hardcore PC gamers who want to do VR This this is attractive, but even not all of those are gonna want to pay more than a thousand dollars for it. Yeah. Yeah, totally Um, well, what about a little printer for your photos on your phone Apparently we can't interest you in a full VR headset Perhaps a mobile printer. Yeah, you know, that's that's the obvious next step, right? Fujifilm is launching the instax link wide 2 it is a bluetooth smartphone printer that connects to a smartphone Clearly, clearly and prints onto three by five inch Instax wide instant film the printer supports bluetooth 5.1 it charges over usbc

20:06It can also print directly from Fujifilm's instax pal and xt 33 cameras So in that those cases you don't need a smartphone to connect to just goes right from the camera Um, it includes photo mixer, which is a free instax link wide app that lets users select images from the phone You can choose a bunch of there's a whole selection of collage style layouts. You can remix apparently up to five times before you edit and print out that final image onto that um the photo paper Yes, the app has I think it said something like 1600 stickers of you like your stickers Just go nuts. We added stickers to your stickers There you go also filters emoji, you know, all the accoutrements that you might or might not want Um, there's also a QR print mode which lets users embed links locations hidden messages sound clips into photos that I guess you share online and the printer costs $180 in the US There's a little pricey

21:06Not including the film that you printed on yeah, you you usually have to keep buying the cartridges To put in these things. I have a code act one that does more photo card size Prince that I use to to print out like shots that I've taken at concerts and stuff and then I hand them out to people It's very slow But it's good at what it does And so I think if you're into this more wide 3x5 format This is a good improvement and there's a big speaking go, you know There's a subculture for PC gaming on VR. There's a subculture for for these kinds of you know printing from from your phone Or if you have the camera being able to print direct from the camera is kind of cool too And having the wide shot or the kind of the wide 3x5 layout, you know Yeah, sure. That's good for landscapes. I don't know how much landscape work you're doing on these little insta prints But um, but like group shots or do you remember while we used to call that group ease? Which is an Yeah, yeah, that didn't catch on

22:08No for some reason yet I I That's a that's a good poll I think what's if you're like why are you talking about a mobile printer Everyone is that's this kind of why we put it in here it was high up on tech meme and Google news today like people are really Interested in these three by five mobile printers. So if you're not Look to your left look to your right someone you're you is Yeah, there you go Team led by semen ma at Yunnan University has developed Peravskite solar cells that work underwater peravskite is cheaper to make than silicon and convert more energy and take more Interesting form so it's more bendable and that sort of thing But the reason you see silicon in solar cells more often is because peravskite degrades faster However, the lower light and temperatures of the sea can help slow the degradation and Peravskite can be tuned to make usable energy from that low light in a way that silicon cannot

23:11To keep the water from degrading the material they built a water repellent layer They developed an additive that limits some of the common ways that peravskite breaks down and tests found It maintained 99.6% efficiency after 40 days submerged They estimate that it could last about five years before that efficiency dropped below 80 percent So you could do a lot of self-powered Seaborn vehicles probes Cargo ships or or very you know very small cargo ships I don't know if you're going to do a big massive cargo ships, but but ships That could use these kind of solar cells to provide power And they can't go that those things can't be super duper deep right because You go further down they actually did some pretty deep they did some pretty deep tests on it And obviously you know the conversion drops as you get too far from the sunlight. So you're not gonna You're probably gonna If you're talking about submarines you would have to

24:11Surface to closer to the water to charge basically in the nebibattery's on board to store it. Yeah Okay, but but yeah Being able to do this underwater Also you could put solar farms out to sea Yeah, that's cool. You know and not worry about it It's not it's not decorating the landscape. It's hidden from view I guess it's ruined not to the other I know not to the underwater life in like a landman The the underwater life is not my back Lagoon Yeah, I I think you know, yes, of course There are there are limits to what we you know we could do in other ways But it does provide more flexibility figuratively and and literally because these things are bendable very nice Well folks we would like to provide you with a gift all you have to do is pay for it at our store

25:12Uh, did you know we have a new airpods case Jason? Yes, I did actually. How did you know? I I Okay, I didn't know that No, actually I did know that I went to the store. I saw it Yeah, cuz I think you talked about it on a previous show The airpods case says do not disturb by listening to DTS right on the case So as our logo So you can just set it down at the cafe listen to the show nobody's gonna bother you and frankly don't tell anyone We told you this you could be listening to other things and it's still say do not disturb I'm listening to DTS they don't have to know they don't have to know you can keep yourself alone Get one of those cases right now at daily tech news show comm slash You This episode is brought to you by capital one capital one's tech team isn't just talking about multi-agentic AI They already deployed one. It's called chat concierge and it's simplifying car shopping using self-reflection and layered reasoning with live API checks It doesn't just help buyers find a car they love it helps schedule a test drive get pre-approved for financing and estimate trade and value

26:19Advanced intuitive and deployed. That's how they sack. That's technology at capital one Think of a toilet as just an everyday object your entire perspective shifts the moment you experience a collar smart toilet Design changes everything transforming a basic routine into something extraordinary with standout aesthetics and intuitive controls These are functional works of art stunning design that never sacrifices performance Enjoy customizable features for elevated comfort and convenience. It's more than a fixture It's a cleaner routine and a more refined space experience the difference of collar smart toilets find more at collar dot com All right, we have a slew of headlines that are good to know and will guaranteed make you look smarter Open AI just bought a smartphone camera maker glass imaging Glass imaging was founded by former Apple engineers who developed Apple's portrait mode So begin your wild speculation on why they bought it. It's interesting. Yeah, it's uh might have something to do with mr. Ive

27:27I don't know. I'm guessing you're right After a call to boycott Sony digital gaming for a week in protest over Sony's decision to phase out physical media in 2028 video game industry advisor Serkana's Matt Piscatella wrote on blue sky that quote there is no significant change at all in player count or engagement in our tracking I was kind of afraid of that. I think I may have said that might be the case. Oh well GM just announced this is health-reasing over news GM just announced the 2027 Chevy Silverado and 2027 GMC Sierra pickup trucks will include apple car play Also Android Auto, but they runs on Android Automotive. So that is less surprising GM previously dropped car play and Android Auto from its newer EVs But ours technical reports that the press released for this new system for pickup trucks Says it was built quote as a single scalable foundation across electric gas and diesel powered vehicles So maybe they're changing their mind

28:28Love people happy that happens tech crunches julie bort has a profile on artificial intelligence underwriting company aka a iUC I don't know which one is easier to say Which is developing ways to keep agents under control It's modifying third-party auditing and certification specifically sock two from traditional security to apply to agents a iUC's Standard for agents is called a iUC one it runs an agent through around 5,000 tests looking for things like jail breaks hallucinations data leaks and then a 100 page report details when it was safe and reliable When it was not and has cursor lovable jarby and 11 labs as customers So this isn't fixing the foundation model safety issue that everybody was talking about all weekend This is fixing the I would like to use this agent in my enterprise business is it safe Which there has not been an answer for it was more kind of like I don't know try it find out

29:30And uh, fafo is not an enterprise compliance model. So This is an alternative to that Microsoft released an out of band update for windows 11 24 h2 and 25 h2 a week After its record breaking patch Tuesday release on september 8th new patch fixes problems with hyper v and remote desktop services And almost fixes the usb problems it restores multi-channel playback on usb audio class one point o devices However, there are a few other devices that remain affected and fixes are coming for those soon Every time any device has an operating system update millions cry about how the new update drains their battery and heats up their device spend lovejoy and i to five mac has done the service of explaining why this happens and also reassuring us all that It's temporary and not actually an evil plan by the way in ios Like most operating systems a system update takes time to complete installations in the background So you can use your device while non-critical setup completes

30:34It also needs to index data and files for search After all the setup is done you usually find the battery life improves since most os updates improve efficiency and ios 27 promises that too That is Good to know. Thank you Ben. Lovejoy 95 google reports on leaks from someone called landzook Of unknown reliability But landzook says samsung is considering a new trifold galaxy model as well as a Slitable form factor, but no timeline on when those would come yeah apple take that slideable When you get a slideable slideable, huh? Why don't you invent slideables apple Yeah another eight years from now or something What i'm cool with it. I'm cool with apples foldable. It's cool US-based agility robotics announced a new humanoid robot called digit five designed to work safely in close proximity

31:34With humans it's designed to do things like load materials Sort parts inspect items the digit four could only stack bins and had to be placed behind physical barriers Agility robots operate in nine customer facilities. Yeah, so digit five can just walk around on the floor Slowly slowly humanoid robots are moving into the workplace. I think this is an undercover sector Taiwan's media tech announced that its new flagship smart phone chip the 9600 pro was built on tsmc's two nanometer n2p process Which apple is using on its forthcoming iPhone 18 pro models and Qualcomm will also use on the snapdragon 8 elite gen six Which is expected to arrive next week, but media tech gets the bragging rights until then new media tech chip promises 61% less multi-core power consumption and 15 to 17% faster speeds Interesting a team of physicists led by

32:35jitai jing of west china normal university transported quantum states in a way that encoded a 100 pixel image of a queue across 100 simultaneous channels that were spatially separated with an entangled optical resource You'll hear this called teleportation, but that evokes moving solids the main development is to give quantum networks more bandwidth By transmitting across multiple connections in parallel. Yeah, this is about sending quantum information So the headlines all saying teleportation really is misleading even though that's what they call it in in the industry And it's also like if you read into it, it would be forgivable for you to be like well wait, they're just beaming light. I could do that now I didn't eat quantum for it's like yeah, but they're beaming the quantum state Which is an important thing if you want to operate quantum networks Which can operate at incredibly larger capacities and eventually speeds than current networks do

33:36So it's not about sending the queue Where is it? Pub's and shops in England and Wales may now accept digital IDs for proof of age when buying alcohol Apps like yote will generate a QR code that can be scanned and then improve the sale You can't use it for tobacco yet though just for the boos Interesting and finally Nicholas day agri are alves who's a physicist at the federal University of ABC in Brazil wrote an evaluation of the Picard maneuver from Star Trek the next generation where a captain Picard takes a ship at warp speed over a short distance to create two images of the ship hoping the Ferengi fire on the wrong one. I did say that right right yeah, yeah, I'm not a star truck guy I'm sorry to say why are you reading this instead of me? I don't know Go ahead happy. I got it right. Let me just tell you He determined that the Ferengi would actually see three images But the underlying physics was mostly sound alves published his analysis on archive under the title The unexpected effectiveness of the Picard maneuver seeing three images of the same superliminal super luminal

34:43Spaceship yeah This this is from Picard's past So this is a an episode where they're going back and talking about his time on the star gays air blah blah blah track track track But What's cool is this guy had always been fascinated with that episode was working on something else It was like what does this remind me of he's like all right. It's that episode of Star Trek the next generation It's like you know what I'm gonna figure this out and he's like huh It actually would work better than they show and on the show But but they mostly got stuff right. That's kind of cool. I love it That's super cool and I will say maybe not like a total star trek fan But I did watch many episodes of TNG so I've got you probably watch this episode. I probably watch this yeah All right, we end every episode of detynes with some shared perspectives today We have three different emails representing three different takes on the discussion of AI safety Yes, and the first and most important is from Craig P who says You guys are driving me crazy the word is anthropome more thighs

35:47Is Not anthropome more facize So say it with me three times Jason anthropome more thighs Anthropome more five Anthropome more five Anthropomorphos of Anthropomorphos No, no, no, you're driving crazy first and abortion price Craig says I love your shows, but this is cringey for me. We will we swear to do better Craig All right, the other two are a little more about the topic over the weekend. Jesse wrote Could this call for a slowdown be a cover that maintaining the rapid pace is getting really expensive and then regarding slowing down development or pacing Andrew from Colorado wrote Software does not work that way slowing down means missing out on vulnerability patches and bug fixes not just new features Similarly the models can't slow down all releases or they will continue to make old mistakes or not use the latest conventions Safety first as a framing would sit better with me with my read on the realities of software development

36:50I think these are both very common perspectives. These are very representative of things I've seen people in our community say I don't think the slowdown is trying to save them money simply because the newer models are usually more efficient and The newer the current models are also in high demand and that demand is growing And I think they would want to bring the new models in because that would make the demand even greater And it would be more efficient and they could run more of them at a cheaper cost So I really really don't think the pacing is like this is so expensive. It's expensive now But do you agree with me Jason that they would actually want the new models faster if they were just worried about saving money Yeah, I would absolutely agree with that Now on the safety first thing. I think that's a great piece of framing that Andrew is saying But I would point out that the pacing is about the development of the frontier models Not the rollout of improvements to current models and they're also not saying stop

37:54They're saying Let's make sure that we haven't created something we can't understand or control before rolling it out Let's slow down on that. They're not saying slowdown software development I think that is easy to confuse They are continuing to develop software and continuing to improve current models and fine tuning And there's all kinds of things that I'm sure you talk about on AI insider all the time That they are going to continue to do It's just that frontier research of like what is the next model It's less about software development and more about model development Which may be a distinction without a difference But I think it makes it may help Andrew wrap his head around it more I'm way I'm definitely with Andrew on safety first as a framing is a good way to look at it Absolutely agree with that too And I think the other thing I'll throw in there too since I'm on my soapbox Is there is safety for the current models that needs to be paid attention to And I've seen some people say that as well It's like stop worrying about the theoretical risks and worry about the real risks now

38:55And I think you could do both You can go slow on the frontier model development to make to make sure you're not Treading into the feared waters Then by the way, no one thinks we're there yet Everyone's just worried we'll get there sooner than we want So that's what the slowing down on that development is And the slowing down is from the people who are closest to it So when you're like yeah, but somebody else will get there first It's like well, they're actually not very close right now So we can afford to slow down a little bit and keep an eye on the rearview mirror Whereas the current safety stuff I think you don't want to slow down on current safety development at all And I'm a hundred percent in agreement with Andrew on that too I like your soapbox Tom. Don't step down off of it. Yeah, well, I have to Because I need other people to use it by sending us their emails feedback at dailytechno show.com Yeah, thank you Craig Jesse and Andrew for contributing to today's show Thank you all for being along for daily technique show you can keep us in business By becoming a patron at patreon.com slash do to us. We'll see you tomorrow

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