Wait… isn’t that a dewormer?

0:00Welcome to the untold, take it deep breath, take the higher road, it's what they always say, as if they know the way, they won't take it from me. Don't ever doubt yourself as wiping just a drain, you made your own so kick and scream, the people who will lock with and never end it for us, you never have the chance to watch your waiting for it. This is called my friend because this is what. It's time and this is what. Okay, y'all we're going there today. We're talking about Ivermectin, Fenbendisol, Mubendisol, apricot seeds, red light therapy, hyperthermia, metabolic cancer support.

1:10And yes, I'm fully aware that I probably just said enough controversial words in about 15 seconds to get somebody's blood pressure up. Good, because I think we need to have this conversation. If you've spent five minutes researching cancer outside of the standard oncology world, you've probably encountered at least one of these things. And then you've probably encountered someone saying that's horse medicine, that's a dewormer, that's alternative medicine nonsense, it's woo-woo science. Okay, but here's my question. What does the molecule actually do? Because saying that's a dewormer isn't explaining pharmacology and no, cancer's not a worm, COVID wasn't a worm either. Researchers aren't sitting around looking through a microscope saying, my goodness, that tumor looks, you know, has so many worms in it, somebody grabbed the Ivermectin.

2:22That's not what's happening, like the interesting question is whether medications developed for one purpose can affect completely different cellular pathways and whether any of those pathways matter and cancer. That is the conversation I want to have here. And before we get into it, I do need to tell you how I even ended up here, because this was absolutely not part of my five year plan. When I went into functional medicine, I knew exactly what I was going to do. First of all, I knew I was getting out of conventional medicine. I had to get out. It wasn't good for my sanity, it wasn't good for my health. I knew there was a better way. I found functional medicine and I felt so at home, I went to the functional nurse academy and I was like, this is it, this is where I want to be.

3:23And my focus, what I was really passionate about and I still am, don't get me wrong, but I was going to work with women, hormones, parry menopause, menopause. You know, I had the plan and apparently God looked at my plan and said, oh, that's cute. And then I realized cancer patients started showing up. And then another one came and another one and another family, different cancers, different stages, different treatments, different circumstances. And I found myself going down research rabbit holes at 11 o'clock at night thinking, okay, this is actually really fascinating. And then it became more than fascinating. It became personal because these aren't case studies. They're people.

4:25Their husbands, wives, mothers, fathers. They're people sitting across from you saying, they told me this is my option. Is it really my only option? Or my doctor said, what, you know, said this, what does it actually mean? I don't even understand what they're telling me I need to do. Or I have, I have six supplements, three medications and something somebody on the internet told me to take. Can you please help me figure out what I'm doing? Because the internet is overwhelming. Something started happening inside of me. There was this fire and I wasn't expecting it. Eventually I had to acknowledge it. Maybe this isn't a detour from what I'm supposed to be doing. Maybe this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

5:26I believe God started putting these people in my path for a reason. And that has completely changed the way I practice. I pray for my patients. I pray for wisdom before I work on their plans. Sometimes I'll literally sit there looking at someone's record and say, God, show me what I'm missing. Because I can read research. I can understand physiology. I can look at labs. But knowledge and wisdom aren't the same thing. And I've learned that sometimes you have to loosen your grip on the plan you created long enough to hear what God is asking you to do. So apparently we're talking about cancer. So let's get into it. First, I do want to tell you all thank you so much for being here on the nurses report on America out loud.

6:30And I am your host, Ashley, computer, registered nurse and functional medicine practitioner. I practice functional medicine with remnant health care and have my own business that has shifted recently. Rooted wellness functional health. So I am super excited to have this conversation. And I've done like similar podcast, but I want to approach this a little bit differently because you know, first, like let's back it up a little bit and just talk about what the heck is a repurposed drum. Right. And here's what's funny. People here repurpose drug and sometimes act like somebody found a random medication and grandma's medicine cabinet and decided, let me try this on cancer. And that is not drug repurposing. Drug repurposing is actually a legitimate area of pharmaceutical research.

7:32It means we already have a drug. We already know quite a bit about what it does in humans. And then researchers discover, huh, this molecule is affecting another pathway. We weren't originally targeting. And sometimes that becomes incredibly important because drugs aren't little one job employees. A molecule doesn't clock into work and say, sorry, I'm an anti parasitic. I don't do mitochondria. Right. Biology doesn't work that way. A drug can interact with multiple receptors, enzymes and signaling pathways. So instead of asking, what was this drug originally invented for? Ask, what biological pathways does this molecule influence?

8:36Now we're having like a scientific conversation, right. Like now we're getting into it. So let's talk about the elephant in the room. Ivermectin, which I feel like years ago, if you said that, you would get like shadow band or kicked off the internet or canceled or whatever. But I, because Ivermectin is like one of the most emotionally charged medications on planet Earth. I'm convinced. Which is kind of incredible for a drug that's literally been around for decades. Yes, it was used to treat parasites. Humans have also taken Ivermectin for decades. We did not pull it off the shelf at the veterinary clinic. And researchers have investigated effects far beyond parasites. You'll, it's not like they just started researching this medication on its antiviral effects and anti cancer effects.

9:42There has been research done for years and years. And cancer research scientists have explored Ivermectin's effects on things like cell proliferation, apoptosis, which is like programmed cell death, autophagy, mitochondrial function. And several like signaling pathways involved in cancer biology. Like that's where the research has been on Ivermectin. That's not new. That's not something that just popped up recently. And here's what I want everybody to hear. Does that mean Ivermectin cures cancer? I don't know. Have I seen it work? Yes. Are there hundreds thousands of testimonials out there of people having success with this medication? Yes. But here's a caveat. And this is just kind of my opinion.

10:50When you're talking about something like cancer, you can't say I have one pill that will fix everything. And you don't have to worry about anything else. Just take this pill and all your worries will go away. I mean, that would be amazing if we had something out there like that. But cancer is a whole body approach. It is a practically a full time job. There's so much more to supporting your body through cancer than just taking a medication or just doing chemo or just doing radiation. You have to look at the whole body. You have to look at the root cause. You have to look at the terrain. What have you given your body to work with? Where do you need to improve? So a lot of this research on Ivermectin is super promising. And I can tell you guys firsthand, I have seen a lot of success with it.

11:53So unfortunately, a lot of the research is still just preclinical. But does that mean the research is meaningless because somebody screams horsey warmer or there's not enough evidence? That's also a big fat no. Come on, I mean, we want to have serious intellectual conversations about these repurposed medications because if you look, I guess on one argument, you could say, like, oh, they've come so far and cancer research. We're not doing that great treating cancer. We're really not. And so anybody who works with anybody that has cancer should be interested in every single thing out there that may possibly help.

12:57You can't be so narrow minded and so focused on one route that you can't see anything else. And that's where a lot of oncologists are. They just, they don't see anything else helping. I mean, ask your oncologist what you should be eating because most of the time they'll tell you it doesn't matter. They focus way more on, you just need to get the calories in. It's all about the calories. It doesn't matter where they come from. Here's some insure. You don't have a good appetite. Drink this. Have you ever looked at the ingredients on insure? There's better options out there, y'all. You know, I'm not running around screaming. Ivermectin is a miracle cure. But I'm also not out there screaming, don't ask questions. You know, we have to be completely rational and open minded when we're having these conversations. There's a whole lot of science between miracle cure and don't ask questions that we need to be addressing.

14:09So then there's fin bend is all right now fin bend is all that gets people going to because fin bend is all. It's a veterinary anti parasitic. So oh boy, that gets people worked up right because they're like, oh my gosh, you're taking an animal drug. Fin bend is all is approved for veterinary use. Mud bend is all, however, is almost the exact same medication, very similar same family. And that is a medication that is approved for use in humans. And this drug family is interesting because of what it can do to micro tubules. So think of micro tubules as a part of the internal scaffolding that cells use for a number of functions, including, and this is very important with cancer, dividing.

15:17Cancer cells really like to divide. They divide rapidly. And so interfering with cell division, I mean that's gold right there. It's interesting that this medication can do that and target only the cancer cells. So that's the downside one of the huge downsides of chemo right because you don't just target cancer cells. Now there are some advances where you can do genetic testing and immunotherapy and you know there's there are some things to try to get it more targeted. But ultimately you like chemo is a whole body effect. It knocks you down for sure. And what's interesting with these medications with Ivermectin and Mavind is all is they're only affecting the cancer cells.

16:20So in here's the part that people don't often realize targeting micro tubules isn't some like fringe cancer concept right. So this isn't a crazy idea. Oncology already uses drugs that target micro tubules. Okay, so it explains why researchers might look at this drug and say hold up what's happening here because if your research if your job is like researching cancer treatment like this. This would be exciting right and that's why there has been so much research done on these medications and Mavind is all has actually made it into human cancer research now. Finn Bendisal has much less human evidence because it is approved for veterinary medicine. But if you look at the medications themselves there's there's not really much of a difference between the two.

17:29So dismissing the entire subject with the word dewarmer just kind of like puts a halt to having intellectual conversations about why we should all be excited. So let's kind of take a little left turn because I think it's interesting. What is what are these medications what does this have to do with COVID but do you remember when people said why would you take a parasite medication for a virus right. Fair question I get it and initially when I heard it I'm like wait what because I used Ivermectin as a vet tech. It's in heartworm preventative we used it in horses and I'm like hold up. I never really you know I'm an RN now and in work in human medicine and I've never really heard of using Ivermectin in people let alone for a virus.

18:31So it kind of gave me cause at first but instead of saying oh well that's absolutely ridiculous. What I did and what most medical professionals should do is say interesting let me look into this. So nobody thought COVID was a parasite right I mean kind of felt like a parasite but nobody thought like COVID is caused from some parasitic worm. But researchers were interested in possible antiviral and immunomodulatory mechanisms. Okay so did that laboratory hypothesis translate into super convincing evidence that Ivermectin should routinely treat COVID. I mean large randomized trials did not establish the benefit okay so there's that but how much does that mean I don't put too much weight into it because I work face to face with people right and I see the patients and I see the response and I see the outcomes.

19:45So it's frustrating and this goes this goes with anything not just these medications but especially when when it came to COVID and we were treating people with like vitamin C and zinc and queerstin and Ivermectin and you know all these things and you have like scientist researchers Dr. Fauci who's they're not touching patients at all screaming at us saying those things don't work. They don't help don't do them right in the hospitals taking them out of the protocol now we're not allowed to do these things hydroxychloroquine like we saw it work. So it and I think this goes for beyond COVID I think just in general when you have like scientist and research researchers saying no this doesn't work but you're looking at it working and that that can be really frustrating. So here's the lesson I think that's important investigating and existing medication for another disease isn't stupid that's literally how drug repurposing works sometimes the hypothesis pans out and sometimes it doesn't but if we've reached a point you know we're we're mocking people for even investigating biological mechanisms that's not science either.

21:11And a bigger point and this is this is one that I really really struggled with was doctors should be able to make clinical decisions for their patients. You know very rarely it's more the insurance company that that does this but very rarely does a doctor write a prescription for a medication and send it to the pharmacy and the pharmacy calls the doctor. And says hey what are you using this medication for and the doctor tells them and they're like nope it's not licensed for that I'm not going to fill this prescription that doesn't normally happen doctors write prescriptions based on their experience based on clinical evidence based on you know patient responses and so they might write a prescription for an antibiotic that they can do.

22:11So they think you know what I think this will really help with this infection whatever it is and if you go down to the technical side of it that antibiotic isn't licensed to treat that infection but the doctor writes the prescription pharmacy fills it the patient goes and picks it up and the patient probably gets better with Ivermectin and Mabindazal. If a prescriber a doctor there's practitioner writes a prescription for Ivermectin and sends it to the pharmacy. There's a huge possibility that the pharmacy wants to know why it's being prescribed and if they find out that it's for COVID they refuse to fill the prescription. And that part really gets me upset because doctors should be able to use critical thinking and clinical judgment to treat their patients.

23:22There should be informed consent the doctors should review the plan and why they want to move forward with that plan why they're recommending that plan in between the doctor and the patient you come up with how you want to move forward. And if Ivermectin is a part of that plan the doctor should be able to prescribe it as long as the patient is informed and gives informed consent. And unfortunately that doesn't happen. It's like the clinical judgment the critical thinking was taken away from providers. You're not allowed to use it. You can't use your own judgment. You can't write prescriptions that you think will be beneficial. And it's all because it's so controversial. I really don't understand it. I didn't understand the controversy with using Ivermectin hydroxychloroquine and supplements and things like that to treat COVID.

24:24It really just legit didn't make sense in my brain as a nurse, as a mom. When we got COVID, now I would have bet money that I had the flu. So I didn't think I had COVID. I just thought I have the flu, my skin hurts, I don't feel good. I just want to lay on the couch, veg out. I think I had a little, I think I had a cough. I did. I had a cough. But I was sick, but it wasn't that big of a deal. The only reason I got tested was because I work with full normal patients. So I went and I got tested. I think I did it at home test or something and it came up positive for COVID. And I was like, what? Because I got the combo. It's like COVID and flu. I'm not a big fan of testing, but I was literally required to do this. So I thought, oh my gosh, I have COVID. No idea. I had gone through a year of working in the hospital and home health

25:28during COVID and never got sick ever. Kids never got sick. None of us ever got sick. So the first thing I did was I called my pediatrician and I told her that I test a positive for COVID. And she goes, okay, I'll call a script in for you and your family. And then she sent me her protocol of supplements that she recommended and the dosages for the kids and the dosages for the adults. This is my pediatrician, mind you. And I go to the pharmacy and she had told me she said, you might have trouble getting it filled. I'm going to write you a script for Ivermectin. And we talked about what it was, why she wanted to use it, the safety profile, all the things. And I went to the pharmacy and luckily, here in Georgia, I didn't have a problem. I picked it up, brought it home. We all took Ivermectin. The kids were sick for a media day. My husband was sick for less than 24 hours. I was the one who was sick the longest, but I didn't realize that I had COVID to like four days into it.

26:32And 24 hours after taking Ivermectin, we were all better. So I don't know. And you know, I, and if a doctor is getting results like that frequently, you're going to continue to want to prescribe it. And then you have somebody dictating whether or not you can prescribe that medication. And it's just, it's extremely frustrating from a medical standpoint because like, where does that line end? Where someone can't come in and dictate to you how you're going to practice and how you're going to treat your patients, right? That gives me fired up. So it's a good time to take a break because we do have to do that right now, but we'll, on the flip side of that, we're going to talk more about alternative approaches to cancer and dig into it a little bit deeper. So stick with us. We will be right back after the break.

27:34And this is the nurses report on America Out Loud. I'm Doug Evans, author of this spout book. And I'm also a father with a three year old daughter. And that's why we grow sprouts. Did you know that you could take seeds, add water and get fresh organic vegetables in three to five days without soil, sunshine, or fertilizer for under a dollar serving? That's the miracle of spouting. And I want to share that with you. Go to thespoutingcompany.com slash out loud and use the code out loud for a special offer. Are you struggling with thinning hair or excessive shedding? I know I am. Discover roots from the wellness company. It's a doctor formulated hydrogel with seven powerful peptides that help repair and restore visibly thicker, fuller hair. It also contains methylene blue, which boosts mitochondrial function and nourishes your scalp without any oily residue. Whether it's stress, hormones, or aging, this formula targets the root cause literally.

28:35Visit twc.health-out loud and use code out loud for 20% of your first order. That is twc.health-out loud. Experience the science of hair or growth with roots. During treatment, city tap water molecules structure gets messed up so your cells can't fully absorb it. Yes, we have to purify our water, but what are we doing to fix the water structure so the body can actually absorb it? That is why we created our lab-certified structured water devices. These devices restore water molecules back to their natural structure, just like a mountain stream, making them highly absorbable. It's not how much water you drink. It's how much water you absorb that counts. Better hydration, better energy all day. Get one for your home or on the go at chemicalfreebody.com, forthslashout loud for an exclusive discount. That's chemicalfreebody.com, forthslashout loud. You wouldn't go a day without brushing your teeth or washing your hands. What about washing your nose?

29:36I mean, your nose does filter the air you breathe. Air loaded with bacteria, viruses, and irritants. Make nasal hygiene part of your routine with clear. No messy bottles to fill, no drowning sensation. Clear as a natural drug-free sailing with the added benefit of zyletal, which blocks bacterial and viral adhesion. Available in stores and online at clear.com. That is x-l-e-a-r.com. A man's country is not a certain area of land, of mountains, rivers, and woods, but it is a principle. And patriotism is loyal to that principle. I'm happy to report that American patriotism flows freely once again. AmericaOut Loud.News is that place to awaken your heart, soul, and mind to the out loud truth. All right, welcome back to the nurses report on AmericaOut Loud. I'm your host Ashley.

30:38And today we are talking about repurposed medications and alternative treatments and approaches for cancer. And just kind of all things related to not only what medication can I take for this cancer, but just kind of talking about how do you approach it when you get that diagnosis? We're going to dig into that a little bit deeper. The first half we talked a lot about Ivermectin, Mubindusol. If you like reading research, go out there, get on the pub med. There are hundreds of papers, documents out there that support have positive results with Ivermectin, Mubindusol, and Bindusol. The problem is there's a lot of it's preclinical. And so nobody's going beyond, right? Like nobody's funding that research to continue and put it into clinical trials.

31:41But I will say it's starting. It's beginning because I don't know the details. I probably should have looked that up before I started doing this, but not far from me is city of hope. And it's a big cancer treatment center. And they are really amazing. I took my mom there. They actually get you with a naturopath when you go in. So you have an oncologist, you have a primary care, you have a naturopath. So and you have a dietician. So they really do try to do a whole body approach. And they recently, I believe did a study on triple negative breast cancer and using Ivermectin. So I have to look into it and see if it's still ongoing or kind of what the results were. But it's starting to happen. Like there is starting, you know, research is starting to advance on using these medications. And it's, you know, unfortunately it's not quite the way that I guess people would want the studies being done.

32:55Like you're still getting conventional treatment. So you're getting chemo radiation, whatever the recommended treatment is. And then a lot of the research is adding Ivermectin to the mix to see how it can help treat the cancer and help the chemo. So the Ivermectin can actually help the cancer be more sensitive to the chemo therapy agent. Cancer has a way of developing drug resistant. And it's actually pretty resistant to a lot of the chemos, especially depending on like which cancer you're talking about. With the Ivermectin, you actually get a better response to the chemo. So in that regard, that's kind of the direction. But you can't help look at the mechanism of action, right, with these medications. If you're talking about studying it in research and clinical trials. So, cross fingers, let's hope they continue to do more. But I think even more important, there's so many testimonials out there.

33:59And what if you got to lose? Everybody has the right to decide how they want to be treated. And if you choose not to do chemo, that is your choice. But you have, there are other options and you should be given your options, right. And then you have the situations where we did chemo. You know, maybe we did four rounds of chemo and your cancer didn't respond and actually spread or the tumor grew. So we're out of options for you. You can go home on hospice. And that happens, y'all, that happens every single day. I work with people that that's happened to. And they feel like the system gave up on them. The system failed them. They were, they did everything they were supposed to do. They followed the doctor's recommendations. They did the chemo. The cancer didn't respond. And so the doctors are like, well, sorry, we tried.

35:06Why does that have to be the end? Why you have the right to try? I just, it feels unethical to not be able to offer people all the options, all the options. And do all the things. Do your chemo. If you're an oncologist and you want to keep doing chemo and radiation, do it. But why not talk about the other things. And that brings me to this. Let's talk about the terrain a little bit. I know I did a podcast recently on the terrain. And so I'm not going to go into super in depth. But this is where functional medicine comes into the conversation strong. Right. This is where functional medicine can really play a big role in walking with somebody through cancer. Because oncology, their priority is treat the cancer. Right. Treat the tumor. Where's the cancer? That's what we're going after. What does, you know, what chemo is recommended or what surgery is recommended or is this appropriate for radiation? That's the oncology focus.

36:17Right. But I'm also looking at what condition is the person in? How is their glucose? How is their insulin? Are they already losing muscle? Can they eat? Are they absorbing nutrients? Are they sleeping? Are they moving? Y'all this one drives me absolutely insane. What's their vitamin D level? I don't really check that on cancer patients. I don't understand. I spoke with someone the other day who does everything that their doctor tells them to do every single thing that their doctor says they will do it. And the cancer is not responding. I know where like list of medications and I was like, well, what supplements are you taking? He said, well, my oncologist told me not to take any supplements. He told me to stop everything. I was like, stop everything. Now you're like a multivitamin. You know, like literally stop everything. He said, the oncologist said, do not take supplements. They interact. Don't take them. I said, okay, well, I'm guessing they checked your vitamin D level.

37:33They shared his labs with me and I'm looking through and there is no vitamin D level whatsoever. None. No where to be found. Not at any point was a vitamin D level checked. And I went back like two years of labs, right? And so I was like, well, I just respectfully, I don't quite agree with your oncologist. And you know, I really think you should have this conversation with them and get a vitamin D level checked if they won't do it. I'll order it for you. And then you really need to be on vitamin D supplementation. Like that, that's one that I'm not going to back down on. Now if you're oncologist, just is absolutely like no absolutely not. It causes some weird interaction. School me, please educate me because I would love to know because vitamin D is so important when we're talking about your body is having to go up against cancer. So what is their vitamin D level? What's happening with inflammation? What medications are they taking? Of course, what supplements, which obviously a lot of oncologists tell you, my mom's oncologist told her not to take any either.

38:48So, you know, and then you want to you do want to look at interactions. You want to be a spot of responsible practitioner and you look at reactions before you go telling somebody to take something, you know, things like as especially like if you were talking about curcumin, you know, they're on medications that might interact. There's there's a lot of things that could potentially interact and then you have to weigh the risk versus the benefit, like what kind of interaction it's not just always well that's a no go. But you have to consider like what's the possible interaction, what's the risk, what's the benefit that kind of thing. And then you want to talk about their bowel movements because have they been, you know, have they been conspited for six days because nobody asked them. Are they terrified and sleeping only three hours night because of all the stress?

39:49Cancer doesn't happen in a vacuum. There's still an entire human being attached to that pathology report and I think that that is forgotten a lot. They treat the cancer and they don't treat the person and it doesn't work like that and your results aren't always going to be good because you can't look at the whole person. And I think back, it's like, should a wood a cuda, you know, better, you do better. If I knew then what I know now, all the things, right. And I could live in that bubble and regret things and blame myself and I try not to get there. But when my mom had cancer, they told her, don't take any supplements. You don't need it. Now this was not at city, hope that I said was amazing that this was before we got there. Right. So the oncologist said, don't take any supplements.

40:53Eat whatever it is that you want. If you want to live on milkshakes every single day, you can do that. Just get the calories in. Doesn't matter where the calories come from. Told her that, you know, well, if you're constipated, just take some air, lacks no big deal. And that was about it, you know, and there were just so many things that we could have done her insulate or her blood sugar levels were always high. Her blood sugar was through the roof. She was never diabetic. She was never diagnosed as diabetic. But while she had cancer every single lab that was done, her blood sugar was in the high 100s, if not in the 200s. That was never addressed ever. Her CRP was extremely elevated. And her vitamin D levels were never checked. Her vitamin B levels were never checked. None of those things were in the same way.

41:58So then when we got to city, Pope, and we saw a naturopath, a lot of that changed. They did check her vitamin D levels, which were in the toilet. And the naturopath did recommend some supplements. And it was nice because she was right there on the same building as oncologists. She could see all the records. She could see all the medications. And she could run through and do a quick interaction check and get her. She could see exactly what medications they were recommending and get her on all the right supplements and support. But why aren't we doing that? It's silly. It's unethical to not be doing these things. And sleep is so important. Not one person ever asked my mom about sleep ever. And sleep is when we repair. And when you give somebody the news that they have cancer, you know, that's the nighttime is when your mind starts to really wander and racing thoughts.

43:05And maybe you can't sleep. So you get on your phone and you start going down rabbit holes and Google things you probably shouldn't have. And it's hard. And that that literally affects your whole body. You know, there is a whole human there that isn't being treated. And they're literally just focusing on the tumor. And they're forgetting that you're a whole human. And that's why I love doing what I'm doing. Because I get to be that person that's there to support them in the whole process, not just do a functional medicine assessment and recommend some supplements and say, good luck. But I'm here to walk with you through this entire journey to help you, you know, have true informed consent and go through all the information and determine what's going to be the best path for you to support your whole body.

44:05You know, there's things to get missed. And it's nice to have more sets of eyes, right? I had someone not too long ago that it was obvious he had some other infection going on. And they just kept writing it off as as part of the cancer. Well, it turns out he had a raging urinary tract infection and pneumonia. So you have to look at more than just the cancer. Okay, I could go on about that all day long, but we don't record for that long. So I want to fast forward a little bit because I want to talk about some of these other therapies too. So, you know, I think if you're going to do, if you're interested in Ivermectin, Mub and Dysolve and Bend Dysolve, there's a lot of great resources out there. And if you go to my website, I have some listed there. I probably need to update. I'm in the process of revamping and updating my website. So hopefully there'll be more. But if you go to rooted wellness functional health.com, I have some resources there that you can look into repurposed medications and things like that.

45:22But working with a practitioner who can help guide you, whether it's me or someone else at Remnant, to just kind of walk with you and help you weigh out what's going to be the best treatment options for you. I think is so beneficial. So that's my two cents on that. I think that every person with a diagnosis of cancer should have somebody to walk with them through it and advocate someone to look at the bigger picture. So let's switch gears just a little bit. I want to talk about hyperthermia. It sounds miserable to be honest, but I was listening to a couple of podcasts with cancer survivors that have been through these treatments. So, you know, and I'm not talking about just sitting in a sauna, you know, tell you a C Jesus or something. I'm talking about medically controlled hyperthermia. Researchers have studied what happens when the tumor tissue is exposed to controlled elevated temperatures.

46:38So, heat can affect tumor biology, blood flow, and cellular stress. And in certain cancer settings, like this medically supervised hyperthermia has been investigated and used alongside radiation or chemotherapy. So, these are accepted practices. They're just not widely used. So, again, context matters, though, you know, your infrared sauna and medical hyperthermia are not automatically interchangeable. So, do I think that sauna and infrared, do I think that all of that is beneficial while you're going through cancer treatment? Absolutely. I think it's beneficial for everybody anyway, but especially if you have cancer. Okay, so I don't think that it's something that you're like, well, it's not medical, medical hyperthermia. So, I'm not going to use it. It is still a very useful part of cancer therapy, but there is something different, medically induced hyperthermia where they monitor your vitals, they monitor your temperature, and they get you up to a pretty high body temperature.

47:55Like, 101 to 106 or something like that is kind of crazy, but you're also somewhat sedated. I have read that they've used, like, THC or CBD to help sedate you and give you some things for anxiety, that kind of stuff. Because you can imagine, like, just having to sit there in the heat like that. I believe they keep your head out and it's your the rest of your body, at least the ones that I've seen, the rest of your body is in it, but, you know, you're also getting fluids and things like that. So, this is not something that you can just do on your own, but I think there's something to be said about it because, yes, that is something that's not accessible to everybody or that you can do in the comfort of your own home. But, heat is beneficial, the sweating is beneficial. So, doing a sauna, if you have the ability, if you have one at home, or you have a facility near you doing a sauna is such an important part of your life.

48:59An important part while you're going through cancer treatment, whatever path you choose. Okay. And then, to benefit that even more, you could do like a red light sauna, or you can just do red light therapy. So, red light therapy is photo-biomodulation. Okay. So, it's real. And if you follow any wellness influencers on social media, you'll see, you know, that people use it for skin. I think there's, you know, there's a big beauty rush on on red light therapy. And it can also affect your mitochondria and all those things. And there is very interesting, promising research around photo-biomodulation. It affects the mitochondrial signaling and has been studied for tissue healing, inflammation.

50:01And it has been studied for supportive oncology applications, including some treatment-related complications. So, you know, I don't want you to think like, you can just run out, hop in a red light sauna and say, well, Ashley said this is going to cure my cancer. Because that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a whole body approach. And this is a great thing to add along with everything else. Okay. Again, you got to think, okay, what's the goal? What's the evidence? What's the application? There's not much downside to doing red light therapy. So, I think it's a green light. Just do it. So, you know, you have to find what works for you. So, if you get dizzy and pass out in a sauna, not even in there five minutes, you know, up to temperature, then that's probably not the right thing for you. And I would not recommend doing it.

51:13But some of these things you have to kind of see how you tolerate red light. There's not much side effect. I mean, you know, my husband had like this knee pain. It was awful. Nothing was working. Nothing was helping. And I said, babe, let's just throw the red light on there. So, one night, red light therapy. The next morning, he woke up and he was like, listen, I don't know if it was the red light therapy or if it's just in my head, but my knee doesn't hurt anymore. So, I was like, well, obviously, it was the red light therapy. But, you know, and we did that for a couple more days. So, it is really good. You have to have the right kind, but it's really good at reducing the inflammation. So, I think if anything, you know, inflammation and cancer go hand in hand and pain comes along with cancer. So, using red light therapy, there's not going to be a downside. All right. So, let's talk about this. This one, I find really interesting. Let's talk about apricot seeds.

52:14And, you know, I can already, people are probably already freaking out because I said it apricot seeds. Or maybe you don't know why people would freak out. But apricot kernels contain amygdalen. Which you've probably heard called, maybe you've heard it called the vitamin B17. Sometimes you'll see like a B17 protocol for cancer and that kind of thing. So, there are proposed mechanisms and laboratory research surrounding amygdalen and cancer cells. There's also a legitimate issue that you cannot ignore. Amygdalen can release cyanide. So, this is absolutely not a natural means safe, eat a handful of apricot kernels and, you know, call me tomorrow. Like, that's not this kind of situation.

53:14You know, if you're, I think we have to be responsible for going to discuss controversial therapies, we have to be willing to discuss both sides of them, right? So, the potential mechanism. Let's talk about that. The research, you know, let's read it. So, you want to talk about all the things. There is a limit on how many you should eat. And there's actually, you can get it as an injection. I think with the injection, there are more known side effects and toxicities. So, you know, that you definitely have to be guided with a practitioner. I think you should be, again, I know I'm like repeating myself, but I think through all of these things, you should have someone creating a wellness plan for you with some guidance. But the apricot kernels, you'll see like if you order them and you get them, it'll say no more than like five apricot kernels a day or maybe it says seven or nine. It kind of depends.

54:21But there is a limit. These aren't just a free for all that you're eating. You can create a toxicity. So, this is something that you have to be very mindful of. You don't want to leave them laying around where like kids are going to eat them and that kind of thing. So, you know, this is informed decision making too. Like look into the mechanism, look into the research, look into the good, the bad, the ugly, the amazing. Look at all of it and decide for yourself what's going to be beneficial for you. Okay. Now, imagine you're the person with cancer listening to everything that I just said. And that's just my part. These aren't even all of them. I mean, we could go into like Ferman and Wheat germ and we could talk about AHCC and Ferman and Garland. Like Garlic and all the things we could talk about. There's foods and there's so much. So, imagine being the person on the other end hearing all of this plus your oncologist wants to discuss chemotherapy or maybe surgery or both or maybe radiation.

55:35So, where does that leave us? Probably with more questions, right? And I'm perfectly okay with that because I don't want you leaving this episode being believing that just Ivermectin is the end all be all miracle pill. That's it. I also don't want you leaving here believing that it's nothing more than a horse pace. I don't want you believing every alternative cancer therapy works just like I don't want you believing that all the conventional treatments always work. Does this make sense for this person with this cancer at this point in their journey? That's the conversation we should be having. And I'm going to keep helping people navigate one of the most overwhelming experiences of their lives because maybe this wasn't my plan, but I'm beginning to believe it was his. So, thank you guys so much for sticking with me through this. I'm Ashley. This is the nurses report and I will see you next time. Bye, blessed.

56:58you