Undertaker's WrestleMania Stories | Feat. AJ Styles, Shawn Michaels & more

0:00you remember this because I was like hey because he is choke slamming me off the roof of that barn through another little barn house I don't know what it was and there's it's like a let's go eight by eight little there was not it wasn't big it's what I'm saying and I go hey how do you want me to do this for you and you're like hey man just go I'm like I don't know where I'm going I'm my pack I can't see anything I was like you're gonna have to put me where you want me and I admit man I was like either this is gonna be great I'm gonna be paralyzed you know like it was that and that was a real thing that we did I

1:05mean of course we had something soft but I had to go through that little barn that we had and I had no idea where I was landing because I couldn't see so it's pretty scary and it was it was real it was man it was I think we have it I think we have it oh do we oh this is what you asked for right this is what you want oh that is a tight little fit there it was yeah you want to sing it you're like oh my god he's maybe not killing you all are crazy yeah and and I guess I mean I can tell you now oh no so no you know you're well aware so this is probably two three talking in the morning yeah when when when that happened and the temperature has has has fallen and that's a that was a tin roof that we were standing on and it had started a condomsate so it was like it was like standing on ice yeah it was slippery up there I remember that it

2:07was really slippery I mean I there was one point where I slipped and almost fell I we don't I don't think we have that that footage but or do we yeah I don't want to see it oh shoot whoo oh almost right right off the roof there that's wild oh you know it goes there it's hard to keep your footing up there because it was a 10 roosters you know it's yeah this number yeah so he so his his foot hit my foot trying to keep my mouth I slid and I'm right on the edge of of going off the sideways but I almost won that match is what you did you almost won that

3:14match but what's going through my head right because obviously I have to place you I've got to push you out far enough and and play and what's going in my head is please don't your feet please don't see that yeah and I didn't want and I didn't want to say anything do you I didn't want you worried because I knew you're already having to take a blind bump off that you know off that high that high roof I was just like oh my goodness just please don't slip right now and yeah I was just like hmm do I tell him or do I not ask you it let's just go let's go for it yeah and thank goodness it worked but man it was it was a it was a nightmare up there because of how slick it got and I mean you can kind of tell you you can kind of just tell by the ginger way that everybody was was walking especially me it was like oh man we all were up there like shoot you know we were just taking bumps or whatnot for you to have to do what you did because you tombstone and gave a big boot up there and then two gallows off the top of the roof yeah so you were moving I would just kind of step it back it could have been it could have

4:17been a record that never would have lasted forever it may I mean 21 and oh may last forever but I think the general consensus can says us go I think the general consensus none of us wanted that nobody wanted it I think it would have been it would have been just the lower the legend and lower of that would have been it would have been really cool for for wrestling but it's not you know what my decision and people ask me all the time well what did you do it right you know I'm like well I don't really I didn't really have a choice yeah I guess I did have a choice I didn't have to do it and then and then what happens and then mean rocker or having to shoot at WrestleMania and then it's gonna you know it wouldn't have been good I mean I mean I took it easy on him but what you

5:21laughing at damn it but you know you have to look at this business in a in a sense of there's a lot of people that probably didn't maybe they didn't want to put me over to get me into that position and they did it and it's just kind of just kind of the way it works wasn't my decision so I had to make the best of the hand that was dealt me and you'll did even though you don't remember it I don't remember it that's probably the best part is that I don't really remember it yeah is nobody wants to see that yeah well did you like the streak being in it hated it me too I hated it like I was so mad that day and he didn't even remember it so like it's like yeah a loose loose I thought the streak should have ended with giant Gonzalez oh shock yeah you are a visionary

6:25almost ended with giant Gonzalez yeah you know this streak was an accident yeah no and she was an accident yeah it came up in a production meeting I believe it was Michael Hayes he was like boss hey I think under takers undefeated WrestleMania like 10 times in a row yes I surprised I didn't get beat right then like soon as that was brought to life it was brought to life oh we got to beat him yes yeah so I think we should end that but but then you know it became a thing and and part of it look if there was guy to do it Brock was guy to do it I get that understand that however for me and I'm speaking strictly selfishly same it was it was something created out of my messed up head that it was like a baby you know you watch it grow that character just and it grows and and you see

7:29it come to life and I wanted to keep it pure forever yeah me too so I understand I understand the decisions why it's just not something I would have done nobody gets out of this alive characters anything else no I know and I know you and I texted the next day and wait he didn't even know his name till 40 on yeah and well I waited I waited until the next day because I just sense I did I did I did text our boss that night and I wasn't working there at the time and I I texted him what I thought of it and I just said I wish you wouldn't have done that but you have your reasons other other I think I said other than that is great show for some reason every year Vince would be like well we want to break the streak this year sir can I

8:31say something yeah why why not nothing lasts forever this could and I'll remember the time that he wanted he want to edge to break the streak yeah and I went to edge and I said hey listen just so you know he's thinking about you breaking the streak and you know Adam he's a great freaking guy yeah right yes but if he gets mad he gets mad he's got a temper and he was like he got mad no no way I'm not doing that you can tell him to go to hell I will not break the streak no no I said I'm just the messenger dude but yeah he I don't know because I don't know if he was mad because it was becoming bigger than anything else he put on the card for WrestleMania it definitely got higher than any title match yeah and um he I don't know he just had that in mind

9:34and it you know it all took off with you and Sean it was a nice little streak it was going well and then they booked you and Sean and if you remember we tried to start that thing up in San Antonio in the Royal Rumble right when you eliminate it Sean and I remember that you guys wanted to go like about 10 to 15 minutes after it came down to YouTube yeah and it's like oh two baby faces who cares about that and you guys tore the friggin house down and then but then he didn't he wouldn't let it happen that year so he went for it the next year and I think it was it was like a throw away first maybe not a throw away but it was like it wasn't supposed to be what it was it was never supposed to be what it was and I remember that we got assignments I think it was the first year that we got assignments to each story and me and Dave Kapoor were assigned to that story we had so much fun with it and you know I'm sure you remember we're sitting there and we're doing the first rehearsal ring rehearsal and you're lacing your boots and

10:41APS when are we on I thought I don't really wanted to answer that right now before the rehearsal even start so I kind of just kind of blew you off yeah you go Michael when are we on you're on fifth how many matches are after us about four five or six you stop lacing your boots looked over it's on this just went to a new level then I don't think it was then but you asked well how much time do we have 30 good luck with that no no no it was let no no no no no no no no it was 25 it was it was it was like in the 15 really 20 and I was like yeah that I can't I can't get to the ring in 15 minutes but that match it was just and I know I got on you guys nerves um

11:48you know because you guys would say something I would think about it and try to step back and look at a different perspective hey maybe that works even better this way but it was it was art I got lost in it right and I knew the finish and you really started rooting for Sean to break the streak right and I knew the streak wasn't going to hit broke but every false finish um and what was funny what was the the big kick out where you had the exasperation on your face Sean didn't even see that did he no he didn't even know and I mean it just grew and I'll never forget you guys were about 25 in and Jerry Brisco is going ape shit because he's doing gorilla right he's doing timing yeah and he looks at me as Michael how much longer they got and this just comes over he goes let him go then said let him go let him go and you guys won another 20 30 minutes yeah he's you could have gone longer oh he could have been yeah you really I mean that is that is the art

12:53that this business is because everybody in the building they come in they want to believe that these two individuals or four whatever maybe really don't like each other um everybody wants to see a good slaughter knocker not found throughout fight and then we have to go to the trouble of suspending their disbelief to make them to believe that and you guys I don't think they ever thought you guys hated each other but man they thought Sean has a chance of doing this yeah no whether we were Sean and I had such a a a storied history anyway I mean just I don't ever remember have obviously having a bad match with Sean but all of our matches forever had always been just stellar yes and then then you know then we end up on the both of us on the backside of our careers and just well they threw us together let's let them roll okay well we're gonna disrespect

13:54them on the way too and put them on fifth okay I don't I don't you know I don't think like Sean's mindset and my mindset I don't I don't think I don't understand what they thought would have changed we were such both such you know competitive and competitors that that when we weren't gonna supposed to take that as an insult yeah it was just like are you are you kidding me that may be the absolute best in-ring performer of all time and I had a pretty fair career too it's still the greatest match WrestleMania history and it might be you don't give yourself enough credit for the John Cena versus Undertaker match where John Cena just parades you for like seven weeks and you come in and just hit that do the hits and he was in the best shape of his life it's exactly what everyone wanted yeah and it was a like you can sit there and go like all these people five

14:56storm that is a five star match why because the crowd was on the edge of their seats the entire time I mean I remember watching that match going that was perfect that was exactly what I wanted and I imagine you would have you wanted to and I hear you say it on like I'm probably on this podcast like I wanted to do more I wanted to do this this if you had done that like it wouldn't have mattered that was a five star match right there well that's what the crowd wanted I appreciate that but so that was one of those instances where I'd really gotten myself because I was really unhappy with my physical condition against Roman right because I was I was really banged up and I didn't get in the shape and I don't feel like I did for Roman what I was supposed to do he got his hand raised fine but I had a real chip on my shoulder I came back I think I hit one of my hips done and I really had something that I wanted to prove right because I'm even that that point in my career I'm always like you know I want to go out and steal the show so I rehab the

15:57hip you get myself in shape I let the old man know yep I'm ready to do this let's go full steam so I'm training like a freaking maniac and then I get to so I'm thinking that right I'm not thinking I'm not thinking of story yeah I'm not thinking story as much of I am redemption as far as my in-ring right and yeah I get there and Vince goes yeah three minutes I'm like what excuse me I'm the Undertaker three minutes that's John Cena yeah I'm I'm ready I'm honestly I was in shape I could have done holding my breath I bet I could have done 25 minutes didn't you bring John in with you thinking he had no Vince go so I'm like wait like I can't hear like I just can't because I'm so my whole motivation in which it should have been when you know what Undertaker and John Cena first time ever in at Mania which should have been I'm thinking all I'm thinking is like

17:00the last time you were in the ring you stunk it up my opinion you stunk it up I'm gonna go out and show people I still got the motor I can still do all that that's what the veteran in you didn't go hey kid this is more no no no no no no no no no I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm in a whole difference frame of mind you know I get there and yeah it was perfect yeah the way Cena berated you for like it felt like months and then literally comes out and you just come out and just beat the holy hell and it's the fact it was Cena made it even that much more because it wasn't expected right and it just it had everything so all that training by the way paid off because everything was perfect well well thank you yes we're gonna have you we're gonna have to have him back let's go let's go yeah so obviously you're in your again all all matches the last what 15 years my career probably the 10 yeah um breaking the streak when it actually he'd actually did pull

18:05the the trigger on on breaking the street you did I don't think you knew I didn't know yeah and and we had gone back and forth out he wavered the whole week yeah and I had talked to him and I felt as a time I had him and okay we're not breaking the streak and then something happened he was wavering earlier in the day and I talked to him again and then I was under the impression that you were going over right and if you'll remember we were at the practice ring and you guys were in the turnbuckle or something and I said yeah here's where I was thinking you can do this this not mad and you had just had this look and I looked at you and you go you don't know do you and I go no what brocks going over and at that point there was no more arguing it's it you know what were we think doors had already opened it was late it was like it was late late decision and at that point it was like well okay and and you know on one hand you go well

19:10if anybody was going to break it it Brock Lesnar but he didn't need it right he was a made man right you know somebody like Roman at that time in his career or there were other people that it may have benefited more I personally think it should have never been broken and just gone down is just just just one of those things and who knows if it never was broken you may still be making a difference no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I would have walked I would have walked no I would have probably walked if he hadn't broke it I would have probably walked a lot sooner than I even than I did I think yeah yeah I because I knew like physically I was I wasn't where I should be from my personal I think I would have had grace from the equity I'd built up the years I would have had grace with the with a lot of our audience but like for me personally

20:11I was just like I was chasing the dragon like I was looking for that one match to go and hang my head on and said that's it bang you know like Sean like like Sean had right like Sean had the the perfect ending he went to you know those last two matches we had well we don't know we'll we'll forget about Saudi and that that catastrophe that I watched that about a year and a half ago and I just laughed through the whole thing you can't help but like now now you can now it was very serious that day you know let me ask you there's one I've always wanted to ask you is that okay please no no I don't know what is it but again remember you know I can remember the you know the time that I asked you like hey like the story that I like you're gonna beat me up after WrestleMania or no the one WrestleMania was Steve and all that yeah that's that's my question no go ahead no but I was going to say like but it but like what was the what was the real story because obviously we never saw each other that day right I never and because these were other things so and I don't know if you

21:13know so it was again I was doing a book and the guy goes hey is it true that you know WrestleMania 14 at the Undertaker came up to you and he was taping his fists and said he was gonna you know this doesn't go down the right way he's gonna beat your ass and I was like I was like well I don't think so I said I feel like I'd remember that and then I said I didn't see anybody that day except you know Hunter and Steve and and so anyway and then it gets out like you know what you know whatever that I was was lying or whatever and but I but I I can remember going and asking Mark you know there's obviously at that time I you know I thought maybe this is one I forgot but I feel like I don't remember that so I came back and I asked Mark and I was like hey I like you know I had this you know interview with this guy and I'm doing the book and you know this ever happening was like he goes no he goes I feel like if that happened you remembered it I said that's what I thought too and he's like it and then I don't and then I hear later on that maybe he did do it but it

22:17was after we left or whatever and I don't know so what's the I can tell by his face he did I had to say okay I just want because they just want to be on the records maybe saying he was the one not telling the truth and please please please yes please okay hear me out yeah I will yeah so obviously you changed yeah yeah whole consider a lot to the point where obviously we we have a great relationship and a great friendship and all of that so when you ask me about it like I felt really really bad to say yeah I was going to stomp your ass if or try at least just stomp your ass if you didn't do business like I felt so bad because our relationship had changed so much and I genuinely as a person cared for it I was like I can't say that I was going to do that I think I just felt awful yeah so I did I lied to you straight to your face

23:23I was I had every intention if if business wasn't done something was going to get done whether well however it turned out or whoever got involved yeah my I was dead set on doing doing absolutely something but by the time you ask me our relationship yeah that our relationship was every bad but it was just like yeah but I never saw you that day no no no no but you know how the locker room is yeah yeah I was like man I don't know Sean's going to do it or you know okay I guess so it so that's how you know how fast yeah yeah okay well that's I was just trying to remember like you know do we have because we didn't have no I had already worked I had already worked I got I worked with Kane and I'd worked and I'd gone back and done everything and then you and Steve had gone out and then I came back to Gorilla and I was like I was honestly got myself worked up like believing the believing the goof the hype like shit he's you know he's a wildcard

24:29right yeah I wasn't saying at least I look because I did I worked very hard to convince everybody like you know yeah wait if I don't want to do this then I can go to do it exactly and then you take that and you spill it in that locker room at that time and I will say right yeah I would say that I was at least at that time I was right at the very least a wildcard easy right very yes easy yeah that's not a stretch right and then and then everything happened the way it was supposed to happen to take a I went back but I was gone before you ever got back yeah I look at you own it I have changed you used to be a liar and now there's a few times no but it was one of those things where I again I was you know I've tried to fast up to the ones you know like this like that I was going like here like the rock one I've asked 100 like many times like have we ever been in a fight in Iraq and he's like no you know I mean like even I see like you don't you remember like me in Iraq getting a little fight yeah so they're just hard I mean I don't because again there are ones I go like I don't know maybe it happened but I just

25:34I feel like the big ones like again like this one especially with Mark and I'd yeah I'd remember those you know what I mean and so I wouldn't and I didn't do I like I was I obviously I had to be at guerrilla because if it was gonna happen it was gonna have to happen but I wasn't like I was you know it wasn't like the big pantomime in the so everybody could see you know it was just like it was it was a subtle thing and I think somebody I don't know if it was Bruce let's only picked up like what are you doing you know and it's very I didn't say anything like what why are you just in case and yeah but yeah that is that's the that is the true yeah that was my intention and I felt so bad when you asked me that time I was just like we've come so far yeah I don't want to you know we would never look again because I believe nobody knows that they were tough to deal with more that more than I do you know so and again look I'm I'm always saying I

26:36the reason I had I it's but I had said it because I because I said it to the guy said I said I feel like you know because that just like that wasn't his style right you know I mean he was not Mr. Overly you know I mean you're here to see me and I felt like I felt like but Mark had done that to me I'd remember that yeah you know what I mean because it wasn't because I feel like because if you had done anything I feel like you went you know when we just have a little private conversation need a whisper to my ear like I think this I am going to be a shit yeah it was once you get though but it went with somebody your size though when you get them up there on the shoulder that's then you okay that that's like okay that's part one I was helping you you didn't realize it no I know exactly don't believe me right is a feather right is the feather and you did is a feather yeah no it was there was there I had all of that adrenaline because like that's a during the whole match wrestling with 22 that's all I'm thinking about is like at the end of this I'm going to try and tombstone him and like and not killing and try yeah and that's the biggest thing is not hurting

27:37somebody and and when it so I had got you up on the shoulder I was like oh that was that was good but now I've got to move you from my shoulder and put you in that spot and hold on for dear life because I was like man uh yeah that I was pretty proud I was pretty proud after that what did you like that you didn't you didn't have that match with with Big Show well I mean can you imagine no there's no I wouldn't even he's so I just did that because when this comes out you're gonna get you're gonna give me a phone call hey why'd you do that why'd you do what it is I was like no no I was did I did I do that I actually did like this like where the fingers test you just called me out I'm not I'm not backing on this one and too uh uh and on the dive too like there's only a few people that I really like trusted can I trust it I trusted you