UK Column ‘On Location’ in Cheltenham: Katharine Gun

0:00Gdy oedd eich siwrnau oedd iechyd yn gallu yw. Tenol, tenol, maen nhw, ni'n ei staladau o'r gwasawddu yn yn cael cael er, Ia done, ac dro'n am ymw'n dda'n aml am 2 a 10 a'r mae'r iawn, iawn yn roedd. Sblw Beth yn cymrwyau rym a gydwch chi'n cysiwwch chi, ddyn ni'n un gwel yn iawn, a ma'r i'n amdiadau awad yn dyn whel o'r labi, a mae'n odnau oedd hyn? Ond, yn iddyn, mynd wedi cair, oeddwn ni, mae'n amdeg wedi cael ei Famr, ac potsba jithaeth wedi ddim o'n amdeg. I thought I need to, you can't hear me, I'm sorry. I said, I came yesterday from Turkey and I forgot my hairbrush and I thought, oh, I'm going to have to go out and find one. And so as I went out, I suddenly realised it was four o'clock

1:04and that's when everybody from GZHQ's leaving work. And I was like, oh my god, what are they, what are they doing? Oops, nevermind. And so anyways, it's very odd being back next to the doughnut. And 22 years to this day, I had been arrested on suspicion. So 22 years ago, I was sitting in my house with all of my friendship circle severed and being in a state of limbo, thinking, oh my god, what's going to happen to me from now on? I don't know how I'm going to continue, I don't know what I'm going to do. And that moment, well, the whole experience up until that point is one of my red pills. As we've been talking about, what was your big red pill? That was one of my major red pills.

2:07And even though I grew up in a slightly different background to most UK citizens, I was still very mainstream until that moment. So it's strange how people across the world are more or less in the same boat, being raised at school to respect authority and being beaten down into that submission of respecting authority. When I was at school, I will explain a little bit about my background. So I was born in 1974 in Durham. And when I was born, my dad, who started teaching French at grammar school, had thought to himself, oh my god, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. I want to pursue what I've always wanted to pursue, which when he was at school, his headmaster had said, why don't you want to do that? Learn Chinese.

3:10So when I was born and my mum came into a bit of inheritance, he said, look, Jan, would it be possible if I could do a degree in Chinese? And she said, all right, love, we can live off my inheritance for the next three years. So that's what happened. And my dad did a Chinese degree at Durham. And then after he did the three-year degree, because in the 70s, yeah, in the 70s, they didn't go abroad to China because of China's turbulence. So he thought, oh, I'd really like to apply my learned experience now to a reality. So he said to my mum, what do you think about going to live abroad in a Chinese-speaking country? And so they decided he decided on Taiwan being the safest bet in the most Chinese-y of Chinese cultures.

4:10And he got a job at a private university where he ended up teaching, and my mum did as well. So we moved to Taiwan in 1977. I attended a local nursery school from the age of three. And by that point, I had become a really chatty little three-year-old in English. But being thrust into a Chinese-speaking nursery school, I suddenly became numb completely. And I didn't know how to express myself or understand what was going around me. So apparently, I didn't speak a word for six months. And then the nursery school teachers told my parents, oh, she started speaking sentences in Chinese. So young children sit and observe everything around them. That's what they do. And we don't know what's going on in their heads, but they're absorbing so much information.

5:13And I learned a language in six months. So from then on, I moved on to an American missionary school when I was 11, because my parents knew that I was failing to keep up with my Taiwanese classmates. And they also hoped that I would go to university in the UK, so I needed an English language education. And the only one was this American missionary school. So I ended up going there, which was a complete culture shock to the Taiwanese school I attended. And I was there for five years. And the first golf wall happened while I was at the American school. And for the first time in probably its whole history, we had armed guards on the gate. And so it struck me that something really serious and political was going on.

6:15And of course, also actually in the Taiwanese school system, I learnt about the opium wars. And it was the only person in my school that was foreign, basically. And so they looked at me and they sort of jokingly said, oh, it was your family that did it. And I felt really shocked. Like, we didn't do anything. But it made me realise that actually the British history, the British Empire, did have a lot of answers, or a lot of questions that needed to answer. But at that age, I didn't know what they were. I went on after my five years at missionary school, my parents thought, we need you to go to English University and you're going to need to be slotted into the English system. So they decided that I should go to boarding school. So when I was 17, they packed me off to boarding school.

7:18And I was there to do my A-levels. Sadly, that school went bankrupt during COVID and it's no longer there. And then after my A-levels, I went on to do a degree in Durham University. And, funnily enough, I chose the same subject as my dad, which was Chinese, but I added Japanese because doing Chinese was a bit of a cop-out. And then I also stayed at my mother's college, which was St Mary's College, which at the time was an all-girls' college. No longer, it's become a mixed college as well. So there are no longer single-sex colleges in Durham anymore. From then on, I went to teach at the Japan Exchange and Teaching Program, and I had no choice.

8:18I was sent to Hiroshima, but I was not in the city. I was out in the mountains, beautiful countryside in Japan. And it was a very small community, about 3,000 people spread across valleys and so on. And sadly, that's another thing that's disappeared, because when I've looked on Google Maps to try and find this community, it doesn't exist anymore. And in fact, when I was there, they told me back in sort of 30, 40, 50 years earlier, their population was around 30,000. So you can see how the migration to city centers started in Japan way before that. And now, literally, there's nobody living in the countryside anymore. So I then came back to the UK to do some temporary work, and I was looking for a job.

9:24And I saw an advert for GCHQ, where they were asking for Mandarin linguists, and I thought, well, that sounds interesting. It's not business-y, so it's not a dog-yped dog world of the business world. I'll go to GCHQ, because it's looking after the national security, haha. So I didn't realize what I was getting into, because as I say, I was very naive, and I hadn't been red-pilled, is it? Red-pilled? I can never remember which one it was. Anyways, this is a photo of when I was at school in Taiwan. I don't know if you can spot the blondie. A sea of little blackheads in my blonde hair. And this is another photo of me. And you see, I was standing to attention. I was very beautiful.

10:25We were dressed up for a skit. I can't remember what it was, but anyways. Look at everyone else slouching, but I was very outstanding. Anyway, so I joined GCHQ in January of 2001, and I joined with about 11 other linguists, and we formed a nice group of recent graduates from university, and we got on really well and enjoyed our time together. We had a two weeks induction course where they basically told us, don't trust journalists, whatever you do, never trust a journalist, and that lived with me for a very long time, and it's still somewhat part of my DNA now. I didn't know this. I only recently discovered this. In fact, I discovered this one I was researching in order to do this speech.

11:28The European Parliament started investigating echelon in July 2000, and they set up a temporary committee, and they started interviewing and investigating what echelon was about, and how did it work? They produced a plenary session report, which came out on the 6th of September 2001, and in their report, which you'll be able to find a lot of information about this on the journalist Duncan Campbell's website, so Duncan Camp Bell. He was, in fact, the first journalist who revealed the existence of GCHQ, so I think that was in 1976. So if you go to his website, you'll find a lot of information about this, but the plenary report from the European Parliament temporary committee

12:32was that NSA was conducting espionage and basically stealing European businesses away, or European customers away from European businesses. And the problem was that the UK was involved in this echelon. So the Europeans were getting very antsy about America and UK and their dominance in this information space, and then 9-11 happened. So all of that suddenly got swept under the carpet and brushed aside, echelon disappeared, and it's really not been, wasn't discussed, until Snowden's revelations in 2013. So on September 11th, I was at work, and I have to say it was a shocking moment for all of us,

13:34but we didn't have any idea how things were going to pan out. And then, unbeknownst to us, Blair and Bush had a cosy meeting in April in Crawley, Texas, Bush's native home, and I think UK Column recently did an interview with somebody who talked about Crawley, Texas. And is that right? So I think if you go on UK Column on the website, you'll see an interview with somebody who was involved in that and saw what was going on, how it was a discussion about how they would take over Iraqi oil and so on. So on June, the June 2000, so we're moving sort of in timeline. In June, I was a member of a committee that basically organised

14:35the first GC HQ ball that they'd ever had in 30 years, so I'll show you a picture of that in a minute. And then in July, I got married, and we're still married, which is rather amazing after all the things we've gone through, but we'd actually only known each other for seven months, so it was sort of a shotgun wedding, but it wasn't because I was pregnant or anything like that. It was because actually because the UK government told him his asylum claim had been dismissed or disallowed and that they were going to remove him from the country, so we got married. And then on the 23rd of July, which was my birthday as well, again, this is something that we only later discovered, but the Downing Street memo, that event took place where British diplomats and US diplomats and British intelligence chiefs

15:36and American intelligence chiefs discussed how they were going to fix intelligence and facts around the policy. But we didn't hear about this until later on. Oops, wrong thing. Right, so that's a photo of the ball. For security reasons, I've blanked out their faces. Anyway, I don't know if they had any more balls after that, Alex. I don't know, it was just the first thing I could click on. Anyway, and then subsequent to that ball, obviously, and then I got married, and then we went to San Diego, so there was a conference in San Diego. And on the day of, we had this intelligence meeting,

16:36but on the day of, we were given this tour of this aircraft carrier. So it was quite exciting, but also a bit sort of shocking to see this massive monstrous thing. And we went on board, and there's me and my line manager, again, her faces blotted out. Now, I don't know what goes on now, but I had four line managers in the space of two years. Anyway, that's us onboard the aircraft carrier. And as far as I can remember, the guys on the ship, with the mariners, they said, when we asked them what was going on. They said, well, you know, Miss, this ship was meant to be decommissioned, but we're having to get it ready so that we can deploy to the Gulf Mum.

17:37And we said, why are you doing that? And they said, because we want to whip some Iraqi ants. So that got me thinking, because this was September, and really in the media, we hadn't heard any sort of talk of what any sort of talk of war yet. It was just about Iraq and how they had to be, you know, have weapons inspections in and so on and so forth. There was no talk about war, so that got my ears pricked up. And as soon as I came back to the UK, I decided to buy a couple of books. So these are the books that I bought, targeted Iraq and war plan at Iraq. I read them cover to cover, and after I did my research, well, there's absolutely no justification and no reason for an invasion of Iraq. And it was in this kind of general tension of mine, where, you know, I was paying attention to all of the news broadcasts.

18:38I was watching the war propaganda, the war mongering increased day by day. And I was becoming more and more concerned about where this was going. And then on the 31st of January, I go into work, and I turn on my computer, go through my emails, and there's one from NSA, which wasn't all that frequent. So I clicked on that one and read it. And I'll show you the email here. I'll have to skip through the things. You probably can't see that, it's very small. So I'll read it to you. It says, as you've likely heard by now, the agency is mounting a surge, particularly directed at the UN Security Council members, minus US and GBR, of course, for insights as to how membership is reacting to the ongoing debate, RE, Iraq, plans to vote on any related resolutions, what related policies, negotiation positions they may be considering, alliances, dependencies, et cetera.

19:38The whole gamut of information that could give US policy makers an edge in obtaining results favorable to US goals, or to head off surprises. In RT, that means a QRSE surge effort to revive create efforts against UN Security members, Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Bulgaria, and Guinea, as well as extra focus on Pakistan, UN matters. We'd also ask all RT topies to emphasise and make sure they pay attention to existing non-UN Security Council member UN-related and domestic communications for anything useful related to the UN Security Council deliberations, debates, votes. We have a lot of special UN-related diplomatic coverage, various UN delegations from countries not sitting on the UN Security Council right now,

20:39that could contribute related perspectives, insights, whatever. We recognise that we can't afford to ignore this possible source. We'd appreciate your support in getting the word to your analysts who might have similar, more indirect access to valuable information from accesses in your product lines. I suspect that you'll be hearing more along these lines in formal channels, especially as this effort will probably peak at least for this specific focus in the middle of next week following the Secretary States presentation to the UN Security Council. Thanks for your help. So that's an image of NSA. It's a massive black box. And when I read this email, I immediately thought, how bloody dare they? It was a really shocking email to me.

21:40And I think that was the first moment that I thought, my God, they won't war and they're going to get it by these illegal means. And if they get UN justification for it, that legalises the whole, what is essentially an illegal war. It was just the phrasing of it, the wording of it, the whole fact that they assumed we would go along with it, that in fact we do go along with these things all the time. It's a siamese kind of relationship they have. And so whatever the US policy is, the US called policy and the deep state sense of the word. So that very moment I realised I wanted to do something with that piece of information. But I didn't do anything with it on that Friday. I went back home and I thought about it over the weekend.

22:44But I didn't feel like I had anybody to discuss it with. I certainly didn't talk to my husband about it. I didn't call my parents who lived in Taiwan still at the time. In the end I called somebody a contact. And I said, look, I've received information at work that I think is explosive. And I really think it should get out to the public. Can you do something about it? And she said, all right, send it to me. So I posted it, so, well, before I did that, on Monday I went back into work. And I'd made up my mind. I was going to do this thing. And so as it happened on Mondays, I was in a different area of GCHQ. I was on a different terminal, not my regular terminal. So I logged in there and I opened the email and I copied and pasted it, printed it off, and put it into my handbag doing all of it surreptitiously,

23:46hoping that nobody was watching me absolutely petrified that somebody would notice and immediately flag me up to security. But I managed to hold out for the rest of the day. I managed to walk out of GCHQ with that top secret document in my handbag. And that evening I posted it to my friend on contact. And I said, before we finished our conversation at the weekend, we agreed, or she told me, don't ever call me again. Don't ever refer to this again, ever on any letter, telephone, computer, whatever. And I agreed. So I'm going back a bit. Where are we now? Sorry, going back, going forward. So that was the memo. And then once the memo was out of my hands,

24:48I had a weird sense of relief because I thought, well, it's gone now. I have no idea what's going to happen to it. And I didn't know what was going to happen to it. On 15th of February, I went to the Million Man March in London. I don't know if I was the only person from GCHQ but I certainly didn't know anybody else from GCHQ who went. And it was such a historic moment, I think, for everybody who attended that day as other people have already described. It was such a phenomenal atmosphere. And I almost felt then that actually, the public's voice is so loud, it's so determined that Tony Blair absolutely should do something about it. But of course, we know they'd already made up their mind. So I was beginning to feel quite relaxed.

25:50And I thought, well, probably nothing's going to happen to this now. And I thought, maybe I'd done the wrong thing. Or maybe I'd over imagined its importance. But on the 2nd of March, 2003, the Observer published it. So this is the front page. This is what I saw when I went to pick up the Observer newspaper on Sunday morning. And as soon as I saw that headline, I thought, oh crap. And actually, it was a much worse word than that. But anyways, I was absolutely petrified. In fact, I thought that the man serving me at the counter immediately realized that I had that piece of information. So I went home and I cried to my husband and tried to explain to him what was going on. And he said, you know, whatever you do, keep your mouth shut.

26:55Now, unbeknownst to me, when this hit the headlines on the Sunday newspaper, Martin Bright, who was the journalist, who broke the story, received multiple interviews from US TV stations. And so he was really chuffed. He thought, wow, you know, I've made the big time now. But then swiftly after they made the appointments, they called him back and said, sorry, we're not covering this story. And, you know, he tried to fathom out why, but they wouldn't explain. Meanwhile, the Chilean and Mexican ambassadors to the UN were furious and they were kicking up a fast and saying, how dare you explain what's going on. But other people were actually quite pleased, apparently, that the US dain't even pay them any attention. Unfortunately, the story really didn't get much coverage beyond what the observer printed on the Sunday. And beyond that, it just sort of fizzled out.

27:58And this is one of the things that really angered me about it, was that none of the British politicians that were anti-war picked us up and ran with it. So, on the 5th of March, after the email got published, after denying that I'd had anything to do with it, on the 5th of March, I decided to go in and confess. Because I felt like I couldn't possibly lead a double life. I couldn't carry on working at GCHQ, knowing that I'd leaked this information, knowing that they would be permanently hunting for this leak and, you know, constantly being on my guard, lying that I had been the one who did it. So, I did confess and I explained why I did it. And they took me to Cheltenham Police Station, where I was kept overnight, and it was not particularly pleasant. And then the following day, I was interviewed by special branch.

29:02And they let me go within the 24-hour timeline, just in time. On the same day, the 5th of March, Colin Powell was sitting in the UN and waving his yellow cake uranium from Niger, which never existed. But that convinced many to go along with it. So, the war begins. And on the 17th of March, Robin Cook, the former Foreign Secretary and leader of the House of Commons resigned to the first ever standing ovation in the House of Commons. And he says, one of the few things he said in his speech, our difficulty in getting support this time is that neither the international community nor the British public is persuaded that there is an urgent and compelling reason

30:07for this military action in Iraq. The threshold for war should be high. He also said, I have heard it said that Iraq has not had months, but 12 years in which to complete disarmament, and that our patience is exhausted. Yet it is more than 30 years since Resolution 242 called for Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories and the rest of the thing. The rest of the thing says, our patience hasn't been exhausted with Israel. Now, I'm wondering if that paragraph had anything to do with his unhappy accident on the mountain. On the same day, Elizabeth Wilmshurst resigned from the FCO,

31:07but she did it quietly and didn't make a big splash. And on the same day, the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, advised that the invasion of Iraq was legal. Nobody knew at the time that his previous legal advice had been exactly the opposite. So on the 20th of March, although they had already started bombing Iraq by then, they officially launched the Shokhanor invasion of Iraq. Meanwhile, I was in a legal limbo for eight months, and I really didn't know what was going to happen to me. It was just, you know, a wait and see cat and mouse game. I was charged on the 13th of November. And when I was charged, I discussed with my legal team, you know, we were discussing the possibility that I would be charged, and I said, I don't feel guilty.

32:07I feel like I did the right thing, and I don't want to plead guilty, even if it means mitigating circumstances and a reduced sentence in prison. And they said, well, we're going to have to think of a good defense. So they came up with the defense of necessity, which was untested in the court, and it was something they were quite keen on trying to prove. But meanwhile, in some time in January, my husband's immigration status had got to the point where they'd processed our marriage, they decided that that wasn't an impediment to his removal, so they went ahead and tried to deport him from this country. So if any of you have seen the film, it's more or less as it happened in the film. Basically, I took my husband in because as a failed asylum seeker, he had to sign in every week to say that he was still in Cheltenham, and on the day that he went to sign in, they just grabbed him and put him down in the cells.

33:09So before I knew it, they'd taken him an event to Heathrow Airport. Luckily, the only reason they weren't able to deport him was because my then MP Nigel Jones contacted the Home Minister, which was Margaret Becker, I think, at the time. And he said, this looks like state-sanctioned bullying, don't you think? And she had to agree, because basically I could have argued that having been under a prosecution and had my passport taken away, that I wouldn't have been able to join him in Turkey where they were going to deport him to. And so therefore, it was an abuse of my rights to a family life. So that was the silver lining in the cloud, because otherwise he would have been deported to Ankara. So on the 25th of February, the charges were dropped against me because, well, as Alex alluded to,

34:14they argued, they said in the actual Old Bailey, they said that they no longer had a reasonable case for prosecuting me, or reasonable chance. And I think other people had described, I'm not trying to, you know, blow my own horn, but they said, you know, they couldn't actually imagine a more perfect whistleblower. So the factors, I didn't take any money for my leak, I did it for completely altruistic reasons, and furthermore, most of the British public were anti-war, or a large percentage of the British public. And so getting a jury to convict would have been extremely difficult. Plus, the general election was coming up, and Tony Black got in again in 2005 to my absolute astonishment.

35:15So I know I'm running quite close, in fact, past the clock, but I just want to go through quickly the destruction of Iraq. So most of you are of the age, and you know what happened in the First Gulf War, the Operation Desert Shield Desert Storm, which was five weeks of intensive bombing of all Iraq city and infrastructure. There's airports, factories, water sanitation centers, schools, hospitals, mosques, everything they could find, they bombed. And that was as a revenge for Saddam invading Kuwait, which, you know, the American public, the British public, had to be propagandized with a fake atrocity propaganda about Kuwaiti babies in incubators. They had to fake that narrative in order to get the public on board for this invasion of Iraq.

36:19Otherwise, people would have said, leave them to it. If Iraq wanted to invade Kuwait, you know, what's that got to do with us? So a very good book on the actual war crimes that were committed in the Iraq First Gulf War, are by a journalist called Ramsey Clark, the books called The Fire This Time US War Crimes in the Gulf. Now, when you Google Operation Desert Shield or Desert Storm or use any of your other preferred, I did try Duck Duck Go, Brave, and Yandex, and all of them. When you search for the term Operation Desert Shield Desert Storm, all you get are military and government websites. So, and they're all basically glowing about, and this is how their trolling information online is the way they prioritize the information. So, if you can get hold of hard copy books, keep them for your next generation,

37:23because this history matters. Obviously, the sanctions continue the destruction of Iraq. The brutal genocidal sanctions lasted for not 10 but 12 years, and it basically reduced the Iraqi population, I think by at least half a million, if not a million, especially children, and a very good video or documentary to watch is John Pilters on his website, Johnpilder.com, bless his heart, paying the price, killing the children of Iraq. And then the cherry on the cake, the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, a second time.

38:25And it was with a little bit of this background knowledge that galvanized me to leak the memo as well, because I had a vague idea of what had gone on before. And these are the sorts of people. I know this is a manipulated image, but this person, or can I call it a person it? Can I call it a person? They're emblematic of the puppets that are being manipulated in order to do the will of the deep state. So the occupation of Iraq continued after the invasion, and the US introduced a parliamentary system in Iraq, which was very sectarian. They divided the parties into sectarian groups, and this is what the British Empire was famous for doing across the world when it was at the peak of its empire.

39:27They absolutely created a deluge of US dollars, people were taking suitcases full of US dollars and handing it out to whoever they wanted, which exacerbated corruption. And the Iraq oil revenue is controlled to this day by the New York Federal Bank. So Iraqis cannot access their own oil revenue to this day. Iraqis also don't have hardly any functioning economy. This YouTube video was very informative. It's on a YouTube channel called Nutrality Studies. And the title is Iraq, the unending agony of a modern day colony. Now, we have to be clear about this. Iraq isn't a functioning country. It's a colony of the US.

40:30And what they do is they hand out, in fact, the US flies millions of dollars to Iraq, cash, pay per money, to Iraq for them to pay something like 5 million of their population just to basically do nothing to not be productive. So these are so-called civil servants, but they really sit around doing nothing. They also pay for the pensions and the health and so on and so forth. But Iraq only exports oil. It doesn't have any other creative and manufacturing productivity and they have to import everything. They have to import everything. And this is exactly what happens in happened, my husband told me, in Turkey. So I came to the idea just a few hours ago that the British government actually labels all of us

41:41according to our race, education, economy, our employment, ability and so on. They have this categorization system for all of us. If you work in the civil sector, you're probably aware of how they categorize us. I believe they categorize countries as well. And there are some countries which they will never allow to develop. They have to be subjugated. They have to tow the line. They have to be basically subservient to it's still a colonial worldview, a neo-liberal imperial worldview. So to carry on, I'll just quickly whip through these. I think you can hopefully see them. This is the war economy.

42:41This is what we've been living through for the last hundred years, more or less. And it's a massive money spinner. So, you know, the war on drugs, for instance. It's already been declared openly that the 50-year war on drugs has failed. We can see it's failed. You know, we can see that our countries are a wash with class A drugs. The total cumulative spending in the US, just in the US alone, for 50 years on their so-called war on drugs, was $1 trillion by 2023. The combined so-called estimate for the war on terror in the US was $8 trillion. We know from our own recent lived experience, the war on viruses or war on combat.

43:42It cost the UK taxpayer one trillion pounds, at least. It cost the American taxpayer $14 trillion. So, all they're doing is making money for themselves, for their cronies, for their billionaires, and now I believe there are even some trillionaires. And we are becoming further and further impoverished. And so, I have to ask everyone, what is this place good for? If I had a good technical knowledge, I would have it swirling down the toilet ball. So, to conclude, my last two slides, I hope this wasn't death by a PowerPoint. The Anglo-American neo-imperial rules-based international order was always a sham.

44:44The rule is, we make the rules you comply. I don't like complying, as you've noticed. In fact, when I came into the airport this time, and they tried to direct me down to the scanning machines, I said, no, I want to go to the human border control guards. And they kept saying, no, but you've got to go down there. I said, no, I don't, I'm going to go there. And they sent the border guard police to try and persuade me to go down to the machines. And I said, look, I am not going through the machines, I don't consent. I'm going to the human tell. And I said, by the way, if everybody went down there, there would be no jobs for the humans. And he sort of smirked, so he let me through. Anyway, a former FBI senior. A former FBI senior official Ray McGovern, he expanded the military industrial complex to make it the Mickey Matt.

45:50Mickey Matt, obviously, also alluding to Mickey Mouse. So the Mickey Matt is the military industrial congressional intelligence media academic think tank complex. And it is not, if it is still not pulling the strings at any rate, it is enforcing the status quo. These factors, these factions are enforcing the status quo. So we can see from the history of Iraq, what's going on in Gaza, in Syria, in Yemen, in Lebanon, their values have been obliterated. They have absolutely no right to even talk about values. So the regimes in the UK, in the US, and in North America, they are clamping down because they are fearful that they have been found out.

46:56And it's because of brave independent journalists and news organizations like UK column and whistleblowers and activists and lawyers and wide awake men and women like everyone gathered here. It's because of all of us that they are absolutely determined to clamp down because they have no other answer. And the only way we can break their control is if we keep saying no bugger off. And we break their spell by telling people in a humble way, not in a, I'll tell you what I know way, but in a way to just draw out other people's worries and concerns and then gently feed it into them. Together we can build a stronger community, which we're doing here today, and together we can resist their techno fascist feudalism.

48:01Thank you very much.