
newsAug 27, 20251:08:25pending
Two VCs on Why the 4-Year Cycle Is Dead, DATs & Hyperliquid vs. Binance - Ep. 892
About this episode
Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels!
📺 YouTube
🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain
🐦 X / Twitter
Is crypto no longer moving in predictable four-year waves?
From the rise of DATs and stablecoin-specific chains, to Hyperliquid challenging Binance itself, the industry is fracturing into segments with winners and losers.
In this episode, Hack VC’s Peter Hans and DBA’s Jon Charbonneau debate whether Solana is next in line for a TradFi pump, why ETH suddenly flipped from dead to indispensable, and how onchain exchanges could finally free projects from Binance’s grip.
Thank you to our sponsors!
Re
Mantle
Guests:
Peter Hans, Partner and Global Head of Business Development at Hack VC
Jon Charbonneau, co-founder and general partner of DBA
Links:
Rob Hadick’s tweet on the DAT trend
Vinny Lingham’s tweet on the locked SOL in DATs
Unchained:
Hyperliquid Surpasses Robinhood in Trading Volume for Three Months Straight
Circle to Launch Layer 1 Blockchain ‘Arc’
Stripe Is Building Its Own Layer 1 Blockchain
Timestamps:
🎬 0:00 Intro
🎯 2:44 Whether the DAT trend is peaking or just getting started
🧾 10:57 Whether SOL DATs include locked funds from the FTX estate
🙅♂️ 11:52 Why Jon hasn’t touched any of these products
📈 16:28 Why Peter still sees long-term value in these vehicles
🔥 20:24 Why ETH is suddenly hot in TradFi and how SOL could follow
🏦 28:49 What makes a stablecoin-specific chain attractive
😶🌫️ 32:42 How crypto overlooked privacy for far too long
🔗 38:48 What it’ll take for stablecoin chains to win the payments game
⚠️ 45:39 Whether stablechains could hurt Ethereum, Tron, or Solana
🔍 47:46 Which stablechain has the best shot at success
💸 52:07 Why Hyperliquid beat Robinhood in trading volume
🧨 56:00 How Hyperliquid could break Binance’s listing chokehold
🕵️♂️ 59:23 What makes anonymous, no-KYC products appealing
📉 1:01:30 Whether the 4-year crypto cycle is officially dead
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Get every episode summarized
Each time Unchained publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
No transcript yet
This episode has not been transcribed. Request it and it moves to the front of the queue.
More episodes
More from Unchained

Bits + Bips: Bitcoin Hits $75K as It Starts Catching Up to Gold
Unchained
Mar 18, 20261:02:11completed

Bits + Bips: Bitcoin Finally Acted Like a Hedge. Will It Last?
Unchained
Mar 16, 202648:40failed

Is the DeFi Mullet Strategy the Best Way to Bring Finance Onchain?
Unchained
Mar 13, 20261:13:13failed

Uneasy Money: How Hyperliquid Succeeded by Going Against Crypto's Ideology First...
Unchained
Mar 12, 202659:36failed