To Tax or Not to Tax

0:00Welcome to the Real Power Family Radio Show, brought to you by Family Success Triangle. Where we talk about how we achieved financial freedom in two years, by the time we were 30. If we can do it, so can you. We will bring you the people who can help you achieve financial freedom, time freedom, and location freedom. Learn how we integrated our business, investing and homeschooling into everyday life. Now, here is the Real Power Family, Eric, Lila, Devon, and Ethan. Welcome to the Real Power Family Radio Show on your host, Eric. Well, when we have the entire family, Lila, Devon, and Ethan with us today, and just a quick follow up on Property Taxes, let's see, Columbus politicians say they did everything they could for our taxes. So let's talk about what the politicians did, and I want to especially bring up Governor

1:00Mike DeWine, who vetoed multiple tax provisions, and he totally blew off our group that is working to abolish all property taxes. Well, ironically, we're getting, and they literally, a couple of politicians told me, here, it's just a bunch of senior citizens with no funding. They don't care that old people are losing their homes. They don't care that people work their whole life, paid off their mortgage, and now their house is being sold on the courthouse steps, and they have nowhere to go. You know why they don't care, Ethan? Because those old retirees that worked and provided value their whole life don't have enough money to donate to their campaigns. They don't have enough money to cause a problem. And now, in true form of all politicians, Governor DeWine, especially, they're just throwing up all kinds of, oh my God, we're going to die scenarios.

2:01And he's threatening your kids won't be trained in school, they'll be no police, they'll be no fire, we're all going to die. And then Cleveland's Business Editorial Board is like totally on his side. And this is from just a couple of days ago. And what did the politicians do for us, Slila? Devin, you were in Greece while we were dealing with property taxes. Yeah. Let me tell you the bottom line. After our property taxes went up 40% last year, just a jump with no, we had like three weeks warning before they were due, 40%. They went up another 10% this year, but that's in Stark County. In Mahoning County, one of them went down almost a dollar, one of them went down two cents. Two cents. Total. In total. Well, no, that's for the half. So it would be four cents a year. That's almost a nickel. I mean, we don't have pennies, so they'll probably round it the other way. But if you pay me here in advance, that would, I would have saved a nickel. So thank you for saving me money, Mahoning County.

3:01I can't even buy penny, nickel or dime candy anymore, but, you know, which is better than going up. Yeah, it's better than going up like Stark County did. And I wonder if Stark County go, what else, Devin, I don't know if you were aware, but while you were gone, the city of Canton Water Department decided that suddenly, just paying the water and sewer bills isn't enough. They added on a totally new charge for stormwater. We got our first monthly bill of $127. Now, that's not a 60 unit building. I don't want to, you know, say the sky is falling like our governor does, but they added it on. And if I'm paying 127 bucks, so let's call it just over $2 a unit. I think the average person is going to pay like $4 a unit. I think it's what the article said, maybe three or four bucks spread out over everywhere. But then that just started in January.

4:02They billed us, I think. And now they're raising the water and sewer rates. And I imagine trash will go up to because that's a city owned company, even though it's twice as expensive as the private entities and does a terrible job. Do you know why they're raising those rates? And they have a really nice right up of why they have to do storm, run off and everything because everything that runs off is their problem and blah, blah, blah. And it goes into the New Michelin Crick, which then goes to the Tuscaros River, the Ohio River, the Mississippi, and down to the Gulf of America. They literally spelled it out everywhere it goes. Wow. Okay. They totally neglected to mention. You know where Timkin's steel used to be. We drive past it virtually every day, Ethan. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Dallas. Yeah. And you know how they're doing. I was like, Hey, I wonder what they're building right across the street from that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know what they're building? You told us before this show, it's a data center. Yeah. It's a massive data center that's going to use an unbelievable amount of water.

5:05And it will provide jobs. That's great. I mean, especially since they're getting what is it one or two decades of tax relief to put it there. So they don't have their property taxes, but they're going to raise our property taxes 40% one year and 10% the next. And they're paying lip service once again to the homeowners by giving them a two and a half percent reduction. And then they're taking away the business credit, which means all of the tenants are going to pay a lot more. They are going to saddle the tenants with all of the property taxes. And if you're a tenant and you honestly think you don't pay property taxes, just watch every time they go up, your rent is going to go up the next year. You can't provide a service for less than it cost you to own it. And for those of you that are not registered to vote, this is why you should go do that so that you can get out these people that don't seem to care whether or not your costs are going up and get in people who might. But now that yeah, now we're getting traction in suddenly to wine is fear mongering before

6:11he just blew us off as a bunch of senior citizens with no money. And I don't know. Hopefully our billboards helped a little bit to make people aware. And it was so great. I walked in and sat down on account, not my accountant, but an accountant that I know. We just sat down and ate lunch and he sat beside me at the bar and we started talking and he brought up the property taxes. I went into the bank and the bank bank manager said, Oh, I just looked up and your office is one of the only two places in Kent and South people can go and assign this petition. What petition, Ethan? The petition to abolish property taxes, which if you want to find a signing location, you can go to ax ohhtax.com to find a sign in the location and then amazingly, amazingly, there's a lot of word of mouth going around here in Ohio. It is incredible. How many people walked into my office just in the last week, who some of whom heard about it from other people, but they're coming in groups of, you know, two, three, four,

7:14five people. Yeah, it doesn't take long to fill up a page. You've been filling up pages of signatures. Yes. Uh, so yeah, the Columbus politicians, meaning our state representatives, representative Dave Thomas who we had on here. He did like nothing that really benefits us. I should have known he was an auditor. He had all these great ideas that, Oh, we're going to, you know, lower property tax. He's not a lawyer. He's simply shifting the burden. The homeowners buy a little teeny bit. Okay. He's sticking a little bit of paint off of them and adding much more pain to the tenants. Why? I don't know. Maybe because tenants don't vote because tenants don't donate to his campaign. I don't know, but I was very disappointed. I had such high hopes for him. And it doesn't seem like everything like I said, Mahoney County seemed to be almost exactly the same, you know, within a dollar of last year, but start Kenny really went up. And I'm wondering if that's because of this big data center and they're taking money out of the property taxes to do that, just like they're raising, you know, the one thing

8:17that I haven't talked about, no consolidation, they haven't talked about a single way that they could spend the last they haven't cut anything. And if you look at representative Jennifer Gross, she found huge ways to cut at the beginning of this session. And then they went and took the money and spent it somewhere else. So even when you get the good ones like, you know, representative Gross here in Ohio, representative Massey at the federal level, they're vilifying them. They're ignoring them. They refuse to stop. And by the way, if you haven't seen it, go to acts. I know I reposted it under Eric Woolwood, but if you don't follow us, you should follow us. We put out some good stuff. Thomas Massey actually got out there and named a handful of names and started pointing fingers and naming names about people on the Epstein list and incredibly a billionaire that massively supports Israel to America's detriment. And I don't mind support Israel. That's fine, but not at the cost of more American lives and tax dollars.

9:21And Netanyahu is on there saying about how, oh, we did so good. Apec did great mind, Democrats and Republicans. They actually said that. He used a different word, but yeah, he said controlling them, I think might have been the word. Oh, Massey saying that. Yeah. That makes sense. And they say they came out and admitted that. Yeah. They're not that honest, Ethan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, apparently Massey is. Massey definitely is. The reason that I'm giving you these examples is because of the state representatives that are even closer to us that are supposed to be more in touch with us and help us. They just came out and said, well, they're admitting now that they're not going to get anything else passed before the midterms. Why? Because they have to go out and start campaigning. They got to drum up campaign, campaign funds. And then they got to spend your money on them to get them reelected so they can get even richer. And that how political cycles work, they spend the first maybe three quarters of it doing

10:24whatever they do. The first year they say, don't worry, we'll get to your bill, you know, by the end of the year. And then as soon as the second year of the cycle starts, then they only work for a couple a month and then they go campaigning. And then they have the election and then it's a lame duck series and like, oh, we'll rush us through. And if they really don't want to do it, they say, we'll push it off until the next cycle. So the people that you elected can't give you more of what you want. Well, we elected you two years ago. And many of you got reelected. Why don't you actually do something that we want? But let us talk about what the Business Editorial Board from Cleveland says about DeWine. We'll be right back. Every parent wants their kids to be successful. And today's world, getting them the right knowledge to do this can be a challenge. My husband and I decided to homeschool our kids and give them a financial and real world education rather than making them memorize things they would probably never use. Our results are kids who became financially free before they could drive with no money or credit from us.

11:25Now at 16 and 13, they co-host our Real Power Family Radio Show and Devin is in his third year of college. How can you give your kids a head start like this? Check out our book, Family Success Triangle, which outlines the lessons we taught our kids. We want you to achieve amazing results at any age. Get your copy of Family Success Triangle on Amazon today. And be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel at Real Power Family and listen to the Real Power Family Radio Show Monday through Friday at 7 a.m. on the Brushwood Media Network. Welcome back to the Real Power Family Radio Show. Today we're talking about property taxes in Eric. You mentioned that the Business Editorial Board had said something about DeWine. Dad, didn't you also say that DeWine was doing something with them earlier in the show? Because somehow I'm going with it. Okay, DeWine is screaming the sky's falling. Yes, you know, remember that story I told you as a child, taking a little... Any penny? Something like that.

12:25So it says Crane's Cleveland Business Editorial Board, don't know who that is, but I'm reading off of their release. Oh, how Governor Mike DeWine, a Republican who's quote about a straight, a shooter as the political system produces these days and is not prone to hyperbole. Okay, let's first look at things in con... Let's just first read what he says and then we're going to step back and look at them in context of the bigger picture. Okay. All right. It says we have been warned. DeWine's warning headlights a central problem with the campaign to abolish property taxes. And Lila, other than your office, where can they find out exactly what that addresses and where they can sign in their county if they're a legal Ohio registered voter? You can go to ax0htax.com, that's ax0htax.com. And when we sign that, taxes go away. Now we've been telling them for 20 years.

13:27The Supreme Court told them you can't use property taxes to fund the schools. And 80% give or take a property taxes, go to fund the schools still. They keep saying, you can't do this because we don't know what we're going to need to replace it. And then he's threatening, you know, 17, 18, 19% in sales tax. Well, here's... And that's so unfair. You can't do that because the hurts the poor more. But what do you think giving homeowners tax breaks on the property taxes and taxing renters more property taxes? I would say on the whole, renters as an average are poorer than homeowners wouldn't you, Lila? Absolutely. I have seen their income statement so, yes. And not only that, if you don't own hard assets, which I have taught my children since they were born, the world's going to walk all over you. You cannot focus on trading time for money. It just can't work in today's world. So simply buying, we had what was it like 40...

14:29It was 40, but it literally could have been 40% not 40 times more across the board. Homeowners are significantly wealthier. There's a problem with that that I'll come back to because wealth, according to Ray Dalio, and I absolutely agree with him. He says, wealth really isn't that useful in what he means is net worth. And if you think about it when we were getting started and growing up and investing, Lila, how many times did people say, yeah, but you can't eat equity? Yes, absolutely. It's great to have that in the long term, but in the short term, it doesn't necessarily help you out. It provides a lot of options. Yes. It does give options. But if you only own, I don't care if it's a $100 million apartment building, if you only own one, you can't really sell a piece that, well, I guess you could fraction up and sell part of the company. But think about it, if you had to sell the whole asset to get the cash, then you wouldn't be wealthy anymore because the cash would be eaten away from inflation.

15:30Correct. Now what if you're a homeowner, not a large investor? You can't really sell your home. And that is why it's such an immoral tax to have property taxes. They're taxing you on unrealized and like we've proven over and over and over, they sell these things for fractions of what they pretend they're worth. So if you buy a house for $50,000 and then 20 years later, they say it's worth $450,000 and they go out and they sell it for $50,000 and you only owe them $2,000 in back taxes. They keep the whole $50,000 in many places. In Ohio, you don't get it unless you know to go in and ask for it and fill out the right paperwork. But in other places, and I know Pacific Legal Foundation, whom we have had on here, they, or is that coming up tomorrow, Lila? I think that's the one that comes out tomorrow. Oh, yes, yes it is. That's the, but you got to tune in tomorrow because that show is going to be awesome. Oh, it's so great. You got to listen to that. And I'm looking forward to it.

16:30Yes, Allison from Pacific Legal Foundation. I don't know if she's actually representing any of them, but their legal firm is representing multiple people for home equity theft where there was like a mistake or a $2,000 bill and they sold a couple hundred thousand to a half a million dollar home in different circumstances. For pennies on the dollar and then they kept all the pennies, even though it turned out they sold it for, you know, 50 or 75,000 and they only go to, they kept the whole 75,000. That's not right. That's home equity. Exactly. Okay. So this is why I believe that property taxes are so insidious. They can just pretend like your house is worth more, even if they can't sell it from more, if they can't sell it from more, I mean, they should not only be on the hook for, let's say you have a $2,000 bill and you sell a house for 72,000, but it's worth 172,000 according to their records. And that's what your paying taxes on.

17:31If they sell it at the courthouse steps, they shouldn't be liable for the 70 that they got. They should be liable for the whole 170 that they said it was worth. If it ever sells for less, then the county or whoever appraised it at that should be held accountable because it was obviously not worth that. So they should have to refund all of the extra taxes you paid, negate the sale. I mean, they should just never be able to sell your home. Yeah. I agree. Either you own it or the government owns it. Well, the line who has described as quote, a straight shooter as the political system produces these days and is not prone to hyperbole. He says that, you know, our group operates on the assumption that the government spending can somehow shrink immediately to match dramatically lower revenue or option to a substitute tax rate will emerge to seamlessly fill the gap. Well, let me ask you something. Just an handful of years ago, which is one of the things I have against the governor,

18:34the most. Wasn't it Thursday or Friday? He just abruptly decided that as of 10 o'clock Sunday night, we're shutting all businesses down in Ohio. You get my blessing and I say you're needed unless you are essential. You have to shut down your business and we went out to roosters and ate dinner that night. Hey, we're just sitting there having beer and wings and talking to guys like, yeah, we have to shut early. And my mom told me she is, yeah, bars are shutting early. What do you mean? I mean, I'm never, I just not like I got drinking at bars all night. She goes, they're shutting down at 10 o'clock. I go, well, what is that going to help with COVID shutting? Yeah. So you're telling me that just go ahead. I thought that she meant they were just shutting down at 10 o'clock every night that they had a curfew or something. And I'm like, what? The virus doesn't come out until or until after dark or after 10 o'clock. Not that I care. I'll be definitely be home before nine. But no, I couldn't. I was just an utter shock that he thought he could close down all of these businesses

19:37that he or some group working for the government declared as non essential. And so I immediately sent out a letter to everybody working for me saying they're essential. And people like, can you do this? Do you? Who's I got all sign it? Put my name in triumph. I mean, oh, you can't put me in court because the courts are closed too. So somehow, okay, if the government stops people from being able to make any more money or do anything, but it's not okay if we do the same thing to the government. It's kind of what it sounds like to me. And like a third of all of the small businesses across the country went broke. And went out of business. He just abruptly shut down, but they still had to pay their bills. And then the CDC came out and said, you don't have to pay your rent. And that's when we sued them and beat them and like, oh, well, yeah, I guess we don't really have that right to do that. But it drug on for months. And how many landlords did that put out of business? And now the landlords realized, whoa, if they could just arbitrarily stop all of my funding with no notice,

20:37then I'm going to have to charge a lot more on rent. And that is the major push. That is the very first thing not that most landlords will admit it. I'll tell you right straight up, I'm charging more and I am walking away. If I can't make a lot more than I used to make on a deal, I just won't buy the house. I won't buy the apartment complex. I don't ever need to buy another one. I don't ever need to take one off the demo list again and put a house into service. I don't ever need to fill another lot in a mobile home park. So there's one more property for somebody to rent, you know, because if a hundred of us are doing that, there's a hundred more properties in this county to rent and it affects the supply, which makes the rents go down. I don't need to do that anymore. And so many people are afraid because of what the governor did, citing with New York and New Jersey and all of these, you know, crazy left-wing areas, shutting us down and putting small businesses out of business and we flat out refused. What happened with the health department walked into your business, yeah, they tried to give us masks and hand sanitizer and we literally had a big sign on the door

21:43that said, we do not require masks and we'll not do so. So if you're uncomfortable with that, don't come in the office. Yeah, and you try to give them back, like, no, somebody says, no, I'll keep the hand sanitizer. We'll actually use that. Yeah, we don't want these masks in the home. Well, we got to pass them out. So right in front of them, we threw them right in the trash. Okay, so this is a straight shooter. He can shut down businesses with next to no notice for an indefinite amount of time. But the schools, they got a 40% raise last year. They can't give up that rate. He's freaking out because we can't go with a penny less. They haven't even tried. They actually raised the property taxes on all tenants to give a two and a half percent decrease to the homeowner who are normally richer people. And you're telling me that if we try and cover this with sales taxes, it's going to, you know, adversely affect the poor worse than the rich. Well, what do you call raising property taxes on renters and lowering it on homeowners?

22:44That's, you know, taxing the poor to give to the rich if you ask me. Yeah. What about giving these massive tax breaks to the data center moving in and raising everybody's water and sewer bill and adding on this other stuff? I mean, this is the straight shooter that we can expect at our politicians. Well, if he's shooting straight and is fair and impartial, which nobody has ever accused him of, I don't think, then I think we'd be a lot better off without politicians, period. We'll be right back. Ethan, you're known for being the youngest teenager on the real power family radio show on the Brushwood Media Network. You're also known for being quite successful and you're only 15. How'd you do that? Well, you've always taught me to buy more hard assets faster. And one of those hard assets that I've bought is the real power family silver round from American Gold Exchange. Get your real power family silver rounds by going to AMERgold.com

23:44or calling 80613-9323. Welcome back to the real power family radio show where somebody, Dad, what was the name of that group or whatever again that called the governor to wine of Ohio about a straight shooter, they call them a straight shooter and everything. Maybe a straight shooter. It would be great to the hearts of everyone with a budget. Yeah, Crane's Cleveland Business Editorial Board that let's just call him legacy media. Yeah, that's probably simpler for everybody. Yes. And then this is from February 24th at 5.50 AM. So let's let's go to Ray Dalio who if you haven't heard his interview on Tucker Carlson, that was totally worth listening to. He just put a new book out, which I have already bought. And as soon as I finish some other interviews, I'm listening to, I'll be reading that book or at least listening to it while I drive and fly. And yeah, he says that net worth really, or excuse me, he in his words, wealth isn't really

24:49that useful unless you convert it to cash. Well, think about it, how can you pay? It doesn't matter if you paid 50 green for a house and the auditor thinks it's worth 450. So you have to pay taxes on 450. You need a place to live and you can't sell that and buy another one for less than 450. But everything you plan for was the taxes and the insurance that you would pay if it were worth 50,000. And now they're, you know, 10 times as high almost. So if that goes up, it really throws off any budgeting. And I figured this out, I looked at this 20 some years ago, which is why we are so heavily invested in things and I've never had a job. I was just sitting there and I started learning about this the last six months that I actually had a job. And I was listening to actually cassettes and CDs before they had podcasts. I was reading books six and a half hours a day, seven days a week, listening to cassettes and CDs, 40 minutes to work and 40 minutes on the way home. And that's, I learned everything I could from well people like us.

25:53That's why I have this radio show to try to give the same education that I had that got us to where we were when we were broke and we managed to get very wealthy. We were millionaires on paper and we couldn't pair bills and it really hit home during 2007, didn't it, Lila? Oh, without a doubt. That was stressful to realize that yeah, it can look great on paper. But when it comes to making sure all the bills are met every month, it can be a totally different experience. So Ray is right. When he says wealth is not useful unless you can convert it to money to a cash like that. There's a huge difference between that. And this has got to be so difficult for somebody living paycheck to paycheck to believe. Not just to understand, sure, they're smart as us, they're just, they think in a different way. If you start thinking like us, then you can start getting the results we have. But if you're still believing what my parents taught me and if you had, you know, decent parents, they probably taught you something along the lines of get good grades, probably go to college or a trade school.

26:58Hopefully they said a trade school. That's actually much more useful nowadays. Yes. Yeah, I was never taught that I had to get a college degree. Why? So I could get a good job. What job? I don't know. You just get the degree and that was the end goal. Yeah. And then trade your time for money, get a better job, get benefits. So these are some of the fallacies that I had to let go of. They sounded good and they might have worked for my grandparents or even my parents, but they certainly did not work for me and, you know, me and Lila who are both roughly 50 years old. And I knew if they didn't work for 50 year olds, they were certainly not going to work for 20 year olds, which my kids are about to be. So I trained them, you know, appropriately. And when you look at what Ray is saying, you can't eat equity, right? That's what he means. Well, that isn't useful until you sell the asset. Well, you either have to sell the stock and pay capital gains on it and then spend that money, but then the asset's gone and maybe we're living off the dividends of that stock.

27:59Maybe you sell the rental house, but you were living off of the rental income from it. So if they raise the property taxes so much that you have to sell the asset, because this is unrealized gain, it might have actually really gone up in value. Maybe they auditor didn't lie. Maybe it really is worth 10 times as much. But you can't access any of that unless you go out and draw a mortgage out and you tell me one 60 year old that's thinking about retirement that wants to get a mortgage on their rental properties and draw more cash out. They're out there, but it's 1% or less I would bet. And I always him the one that's like, borrow more and find more faster, borrow more and find more fast nuts, not to do that. And now I'm sitting here at thinking, you know, pretty much all the loans I have. I don't ever think I'll retire. Certainly not at 65, but it gets into your head that maybe you should be, you know, thinking about retirement at 65, even though I would go absolutely insane to try. Yes. Yeah, if you try, if you try to retire, I will go crazy as well.

29:03I don't ever want to job, but I got to keep doing something. And maybe it's just talking on the radio. I don't know, but I don't, I need to create something. I have to keep buying properties. I love running my construction company. It doesn't take that many hours a week to keep things going. And I don't want to grow it. I don't want to be huge and make millions with it, which would not be that hard in today's market. But I want to have something that I am, you know, producing more value for the world and keep going. And I certainly don't want to sell off a lot of my rental properties. But if it gets to be too much of a hassle, I will. But then I'm stuck with the cash and the capital gains and everything. Yeah. The bottom line is if we go out there, if you look at somebody like my mom who only has, I think 12 properties, maybe 14 units and her whole goal was just to get him paid off. And that would give her just enough to supplement her secretary income, be a retirement income, which is pretty good. It's a government secretary income. But with a master's degree and all of this great stuff she did in her life, she ended up working for the last couple of decades and retiring as a secretary.

30:08A nobody working for the county health department. And I'm like, why would you do that, mom? Just buy more real estate. You obviously know how to do this. And she has no, I need the benefits. And she knew she was in a job that she was massively overqualified for with all of it, but nobody else would hire her because of all her degrees. They're like, we'd have to pay you more. So what good is the college degree? Oh, if you were brought up to realize these things, it must be hard to believe that if you have a million or even two million in that worth, you might not be able to pay your bills. But when you're expecting to pay $100,000 every six months in property taxes, and then suddenly you'll have to pay $140,000 and you only get a three week note where you're going to get that 40 grand. I mean, it's the millionaires don't have a million dollars in the bank. If they did, they wouldn't be millionaires because we already talked about before about how easy it is nowadays to have a, you know, to be a quote, millionaire. I mean, what do you need?

31:08Some a little bit of money in the savings and to own your own house and your millionaire. Yeah, they pay it off and you contribute to your 401K. You're almost certainly going to retire a millionaire literally just doing those two things. Uh, but yeah, he's absolutely right. When you kill the golden goose, when you sell the acid, think about the fable or the story or whatever the golden goose. Yeah, you can either get a golden egg every day or you can kill the goose and you never get one again. You can either milk the cow and sell a gallon of milk every day or you can kill the cow, make a pile of money selling steak and hamburger, but then it's gone forever and you never get to sell the milk again. And that is what they're trying to do. That is exactly the way if there are a way in America to get you to own nothing, that property taxes, taxes on unrealized gain, which multiple Democrats have brought up, that is the only way they could ever do it. So to Ohio, Republican governor, Mike Derwein, who is a straight shooter, so they

32:14say, never forget, not only is he saying, now we can't get rid of all property taxes or your world's going to come to an end. We won't be able to do provide anything. The library is he goes, either we have to do that or raise taxes dramatically. We either have to do that or substitute a tax rate will emerge to seamlessly fill the gap that that can't happen. They got to raise taxes somewhere and he's talking about sales tax and stuff. No, we're in there as he's talking about shrinking his budget that they just got and start counting at least a 50% raise based on the checks that I write to them. What was a hundred thousand dollars a half two years ago went to a hundred and forty thousand last year and a hundred and fifty thousand this year. So yeah, that is what he's saying, even though they got that 50% raise over a 13, 14 month period, they couldn't possibly live without that, let alone if we got rid of everything, it would be awful.

33:16The sky would fall, but we were expected to just shut down and lose our livelihood, close our businesses down, even though we still had to pay mortgages. And they want us to pay our employees too, but don't worry, they'll give you loans. We'll look at how much fraud was in there. Oh, wow. Yeah. You actually had employees that that could have applied to. It was immediately taken out by people that know how to beat the system. And the people that do know how to beat the system, they're buying new boats. And so I know guys that on large companies, they're buying boats and you know, hundred and fifty thousand a dollar RVs with all this PPP funding. It was ridiculous. So yeah, that there is so much they can do that to us, but they can't live without it. And we're going to find out what Devon has to say right after this break. Brushwood, meeting at work. Have you or a loved one been affected by inflation? Yes, we have the product for you. Hard assets that hold their value like the real power family self around are available at American Gold Exchange.

34:17You can visit American Gold Exchange at AMERgold.com or by calling 1-800-61-3-932. Welcome back to the real power family radio show where during COVID there was so much money given out. We were just talking about her dad had brought up the PPP loans, whatever that meant. And how so many people sure they got those loans and whatnot. But the money didn't exactly get used the way they wanted it to be used. And then that on top of that, how much money did they give out at $600 or whatever at a time for people essentially saying, here's money so you can stay home and do nothing, which probably increased the amount of people that actually did it. And then throw on top of that. I don't remember how much it is. Ethan, this might be something to look up for a teenager takeover. How much money also win is just stimulus for whichever of their favorite

35:20campaign donors giving a few million here, a few million there, maybe a couple billion in a couple of places, but I don't I have to look that up again. I just remember hearing about that during COVID. Yeah, there was a lot of problems going on at that time, but we're just fighting different problems now, Devon. This whole property tax thing has gotten so out of hand. What is nice to hear is that not only is Ohio, you know, the people in Ohio, at least trying to do something about it. There's other states that are looking at doing things about that. And I think that's wonderful to hear like Florida. All right, Governor DeSantis. Some people absolutely love him. Let's not forget he's not without fault. He did actually shut the state down. He just opened up quicker than pretty much anybody else. You get Christy Nome never shut down South Dakota. Yes, Florida did get shut down, but not for nearly as long. And we went down there immediately. And you know, and Georgia was pretty quick to reopen. Wow, Greg Abbott and Georgia leaders are pitching

36:23scrapping some or all property taxes on, but once again, it's only on owner occupied homes. So they are going to tax the poor or the tenants who may or may not be poorer than homeowners generally they are. So they can give tax breaks to the people in own homes who are generally richer. But at least they're trying to give some tax breaks. That's wonderful. Let's see, Republican lawmakers in Kansas want to abolish all local property taxes as grassroots groups. Talk to your mom, Lila. She's still. Yeah, I'll have to see if she's heard of any of this because that's interesting to me. I hadn't heard that prior to now. Okay. The grassroots groups circulating a ballot measure, proposals, also in Nebraska and South Dakota, as well as Ohio. And once again, if you're in Ohio, you can go to where Ethan? AXOHtax.com. I don't know any of the things for the other states, but I know Ohio's. You know what would be really handy if we look some of these up?

37:23If anybody is in Florida, Nebraska, Georgia, South Dakota, and you have anything on property taxes, you'd like to meet a post, a link, especially if you're doing something like us gathering, even if it's just, you know, an informational article, send it to me and I'll link it to our website, realpowerfamily.com, on the announcements page and we can get the word out. Any other state I haven't mentioned, obviously. We would be happy to do that, but I'd love to have a list of, you know, 48 states, because we're not going to count California or Hawaii. They never. Okay. Yeah, they know I would love, oh my gosh. I would love it if we actually did that. But they're too busy burning down multi-million dollar homes, so they can make low income housing and the palathades. The most other problem there. How's that going to help with your property, Texas? Oh, wait, if they got rid of homeowner homes, then, you know, the actors that lived and the palathades wouldn't have to pay taxes, which I'm a big fan of, right?

38:24But the tenants that live in the low income housing do have to pay tax. Mm-hmm, fascinating. Yeah. So that this is not just Ohio. This is Florida, Georgia. And of course, there's people out of Atlanta crying like you would expect that the world's going to come to an end. But there's, I seem that I absolutely believe we are swinging towards more freedom, more liberty, less government intervention. And if you can't figure that out, you have the choice. You have known for a couple of years, you've known for 20 years. This wasn't right in the Supreme Court said it. You've known this petition was circulating for two years. And now their whole game plan is to not do a darn thing to make it. They want to get headlines and say, look at how much we helped you. You know how much you helped me in Stark County? My taxes actually went up. Emma Hone County, they stayed exactly the same. They want to say, we're not going to do anything else. All of this, it's only February, but they're not going to do anything else this year

39:25because they got to go campaign yet. And, but we did all we could last year. No, well, all you could do raised my taxes again. And you think that's going to help? Yeah, that sentiment is being repeated by the way, Eric, from the people coming in to sign the petition at our office because that, that is exactly how they feel. They feel like they have been ignored. Like the legislators haven't done enough and they're fed up. They're done. And so they come in and they sign representative, what are Thomas? And all of you, other people out there, governor to wine that aren't willing to do this. And now you're trying to place the burden on us taxpayers. We already been paying the burden since before I was born. We're done. We're done funding your Somali day cares and leering centers. We're done funding all of these Haitian immigrants in Springfield. We are really tired of you giving these data centers. How many jobs can they actually bring in?

40:27How could this really be that great for our community? It seems to me like a data center is incredibly electricity intensive. It's very water intensive and I don't know. I really should learn. Devon, do you know how many jobs these, they're massive buildings and they'll be construction jobs. But once that they'll be a lot of construction jobs, but there isn't nearly as many human jobs in it as plenty of other big buildings. And as to why are they doing so much to get that in? Well, let's just go with there's a lot of money in the AI industry. And while I don't know about our area in plenty of areas, plenty of politicians get great donations from AI companies. Oh, yeah. Well, the. Oh, hey, if it can't go on forever, it won't. And I'm telling you right now that AI can't go on forever. Maybe one AI will, but the way it is going with all of these people spending so much money. One of them, maybe open AI, I forget.

41:27One of them is, it might be chat GPT actually is floating a hundred year bond. They want you to loan them money for a hundred years because that's what buying a bond is. You're making a loan to them. What do you think is going to change an AI in the next hundred months, Devon? Everything. Easily. A hundred years. I mean, I wouldn't bet on a hunt. I might make a small wager if I got odds on a hundred days, but not a not a hundred months let alone a hundred years. I definitely wouldn't go out close to the 10 year mark. Forget it. Let's take a break. And I will tell you what Brian Massey, who is a major leader of this property tax reform, you can find out more about it at xohiotex.com. And again, email info at realpowerfamily.com. If you have any good links or if you were doing anything with property taxes or

42:29fighting home equity theft and you would like to talk about it on the show, let us know if you just have a good link or you want to write an article, we will publish it in our newsletter. Anything we can do to help promote your cause, we would love to do that. So take your this break. If you're an Ohio voter, go to xohiotex.com. And if you have something going on good in another state, we'd love to promote it for you. Email info at realpowerfamily.com. I'm Eric from the Real Power Family Radio show on the Brushwood Media Network. I'm here with my lovely wife, Lila, who is known as the mom of the power family. And I got to tell you just 25 years ago, we were sleeping on a mattress on a warehouse floor. Then we learned to buy more hard assets faster, like real power family silver rounds from American Gold Exchange. If you want to get your own real power family silver rounds, you can call American Gold Exchange at 1-800-613-9323 or you can visit their

43:31website at AMERgold.com. Welcome back to the real power family radio show. We're talking about property tax and Eric right before break. You're talking about Brian Massey, who has been amazing and kind of a wealth of information as far as property tax reform. I don't think they're related. Thomas Massey is the awesome representative. Yeah. OK, who literally stood on the floor for it. He finally followed through this word, which I'm sure he had a good read. I he was one of the few politicians I really believe. If you all the Republicans are aggressive going after you and Trump is paying millions of dollars to primary you, then you're probably doing the right thing. Senator Rand Paul and representative Thomas Massey and former representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. But no, that's not who we're talking about. Different Massey. This is Brian Massey, who works for or is in associated with AxohioTax.com.

44:34And Brian says we're saying the public sector has outgrown the private sector's ability to pay for services. Let's focus on that. The government got too big. And we talked about on last Friday's episode how it's 40% of GDP. It's just too big for the private sector to support anymore. And then to finish what Brian said, unless the government starts to cut down the size of the bureaucracy, we are going to implode. It's not stable. That is a quote from Brian. That's exactly what we've been saying for how long a long time. Yeah. And they lied to you when they came up with GDP. And when the government was only 5 or 10% of GDP, maybe it could work. But with 40%, if you take away that 40 and instead of adding it to, you subtract it from, do you realize how minimal I just, how teeny the amount is we actually produce that the government doesn't take? It's just outrageous.

45:35Brett, Beth, who is your contact, I believe, Lila. Also, yes, yes. Oh, how do you know Beth's last name? I don't remember. Uh, yeah, I do. Actually, it is Beth Blackmar. Beth Blackmar. Beth Blackmar, I can do this. Thank you, Beth. You've been very helpful for everybody. Oh, thank you. Yeah, she's been great. She says, quote, bring it on. I did the math in this is after. Okay, let me give you the first quote before we get to Beth's. There's no good way for property tax repeal. It showed that lost property tax income would lead to tax rates in Butler County of 11 point. And I'm pretty sure this deals with sales tax. They'd have to raise their taxes to 11.3%. We're already paying like seven percent. That's nothing. Uh, Clark County, 12.54%. Green, 13.18%. Miami County, 10.67%. That would be Ohio, not Florida, Montgomery County, 14.92%.

46:38They're the highest one listed in here. And they're at less than 15%. Even though the governor's screaming, it'll be 17, 18, 19, 20% in sales taxes. Warring is only 9.92%. It's under 10%. How many of you would be willing to go from, you know, six or seven percent sales tax to 10% sales tax? And yeah, that would be unfortunate, but you can choose what you're going to buy. And they can always put in exemptions. So if you're buying groceries, yeah, that's what they did during the Great Depression. People couldn't pay property taxes. So they, they did a 3% sales tax and not even on everything. Just the things they thought the more affluent would be buying. Therefore it, it worked out really well. They, they got what they needed. And it didn't have to continue with them, not being able to bring in any funds the other way. And if you wanted to buy a new Porsche, would it stop you paying an extra 3% on sales tax on that? No, me either. If you wanted to go out and, you know, buy alcohol tobacco, would a 3% sales tax stop you doing that?

47:41No, no, not necessarily. I mean, if you got the money to blow on stuff like that, anyways, why not? I would even throw in and I don't want to be crucified by all the women out there. But if you can afford to get your hair and nails done every week, 3% is probably not going to hurt you on whatever ridiculous amount you pay to get your hair done. I can't believe how much it costs to get your hair done. I go in for 20 bucks. They just shave mine off pretty much. It's great. Yeah, it's not the same for women. No, but if I had to pay an extra 3%, I'd do it. Yeah, I think I think they can easily do that. Make the necessities not necessarily and anything extraneous, yes. Well, back to Beth, she says, quote, bring it on. You got to raise my sales taxes to whatever she said, quote, I did the math. And for me last year, it would have saved me 65% if she paid that extra mountain sales tax for the county that she lives in. Might end she didn't have to pay her property taxes. Oh, wait. And that's last year.

48:41If I had to pay 20% in sales tax, she just saved 65% over what she paid in property taxes. That's very significant. Yeah. When they trying fear mongering to say, but we could charge you 20% in sales tax. One, you can choose whether you buy stuff. If you do have to buy it, they can't make it too high, especially in the border counties, because people will just drive across it. If it's cheaper to drive to Pennsylvania and buy it, because you live in Warren, then you're going to drive there and buy it. And if you're in Cincinnati, just go to Kentucky or Indiana, they can't raise them too much because people will be buying stuff elsewhere. Yes. And this is the thing that we had. And I'm sure a lot of, you know, always Trump, he can never do anything wrong. He's done a lot of great things. I'm so impressed and I have it. And I don't say that enough. I'm very happy with what he's doing. And we said for a long time, tariffs are charged to the people. For just a week ago, they, uh, the Supreme Court said, no, you can't use that to charge tariffs.

49:42I don't care what Trump says. I don't, I look at the bottom line. He says and so many people out there on X are saying, you ruin this free source of income. I have always said they consumer pays tariffs after doing some research. I realized it was 40 to 60%. According to doctor and congressman Ron Paul, X congressman, his son is Rand Paul, the senator. He said, and I don't know where he got this information. I didn't verify it. But he said as much as 90% of these new tariffs came from the buyers, the American citizens buying things. You're out the average in history that I could find. It was about 50, 50, the consumers paying half of it. I know what that's supposed certainty in Trump's first when he first got into office eight years ago, nine years ago. He put a tariff on steel from China and the price of my barn went up $5,000. It went from like, it was a 24 to 29 grand or 25 to 30 something like that.

50:46Something like that 20% more. It cost me five grand. That absolutely came out of my pocket. But they gave me the quote and I ordered it two or three months later after his inauguration, he immediately put the tariffs on or you know, after he put them on and they're like, Oh, sorry tariffs. It's this much more now should have paid for it back then. So if you look at where did it come from, I felt the pain of paying the tariffs. And I could have chose to cancel the order for the barn, but I didn't. I still wanted. I've hated sales taxes the same way you can choose to buy it or not to buy it. You can never choose not only to pay your taxes or you lose your private home. If they decide your $50,000 home is now worth $500,000 and increase the value by 10 times, which are literally people living there for 20 years. It doesn't happen overnight, but that's happened. I mean, we showed one that in seven years, it tripled and they lost the home. It's old at the courthouse steps. We know we bought it. And then the people that had paid off their mortgage a decade ago lost their home

51:49for $20,000 in taxes. And the sand part is we paid what it was valued at seven years ago before they tripled the value. So they probably would or they might not have fallen behind if the government wouldn't have tripped the value. And all of these things, I think tariffs are one of the lead. They're nowhere near as bad as property taxes and they're still taxes. No matter what you call them, a tax is a tax. And according to the Constitution, who is the only body that has the right to tax? Congress, I believe. And is president Trump in the Congress? No, no, no, he is not. No, he's an executive branch. The executive. Oh, wait, yeah, there's only three of them. Are the judges that say you're not allowed to take? Are they in the Congress? No, no, huh. So yeah, only the Congress can implement taxes, but it's so funny. I think Rand Paul or Thomas Massey instituted a new thing that says only Congress can or Congress has to approve taxes.

52:50Why would you do that? Just look, I will the Constitution. Why don't you just have a one line thing? Obviously, the executive branch can't implement any taxes without congressional approval based on, you know, article, whatever, section, whatever of the United States Constitution signed in 17. What was that? 81? Whatever you're assigned. Yeah, I mean, it could be that simple and easy, but a lot of these things, they're getting overboard and it goes back to what Brian Massey said. They, the deep state and the public bureaucracy has grown so large that the public sector cannot be supported by the private sector any longer. They've got to shrink. And I think that's the way we're going. That's why you're seeing all these things from all these property taxes and people are realizing, you tell me all of the supporters if Trump actually collected all these taxes and or all these tariffs and it fixed all their problems.

53:51Then why do we have a larger national debt that we did when he started? Show me where that came off of the national debt. Show me where it decreased the deficit. It didn't because he spent so much more in the big beautiful bill. It didn't matter if he collected more. He spent more than he collected and now he might have to give that back. So all I can say is I hope the American citizens get it. But wait, no, one of the guys wasn't the guy that was on the Epstein list or in the Epstein files that went around and bought up all of the tariff rebates at pennies on the dollar. Went on the news and said, yeah, they'll never have to refund, never after refund. But at the same time, his company was buying all these. And now he can cash him in and get all these rebates and triple. It makes somewhere between three and five times his money, three hundred and five hundred percent. When he was the one saying this will never happen and then it happened. But at the same time, he was working behind the scenes to buy him all up. Yeah, I don't know if that was the same secretary that was in the Epstein files or not.

54:52This is the bureaucracy that we are supporting with our taxes. And enough of us are sick of it. We just got to say no. We got to quit. Wrap us up, Lila. All of the Constitution. That's the lesson for my day. Devon, keep learning more. Keep fighting for freedom and keep standing up for what you believe in. Even if, or especially if that's sending the petition to end property taxes in Ohio. Ethan, make sure wherever you are. If you're in Ohio, make sure you go to AXOHtax.com to find a place to sign if you haven't already. And if you're in Florida or Texas where they're doing this, make sure you do that there as well. Or South Dakota. And I don't know what they have petitions, but any links, any information, anybody wants to send me. I will be happy to promote it because I want your state to get better just like mine. And that is how we can make the world a better place. Make sure you tune in tomorrow for Pacific Legal because they are really fighting

55:52to make this world a better place. And you are not going to believe what happened to Mistil Goldberg. And how they went after him for millions of dollars. Even though nobody complained or had any problems with him. But the state said, now you took advantage of people, you got to pay us millions of dollars. Not them, us, the state, millions of dollars. And the only way he could argue against that was to go to the people that said he owed the fine and asked them, no, I think you're wrong. So how fair it is just like going to a board of revision where the auditor decides what your property value has gone up to even though it's never been sold. And then you have to go argue with the auditor in that board to say, no, you were wrong. It's really only this. That's the world we live in today. It's time to change things. Go out and do what you can to make this world better. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We hope you enjoyed the Real Power Family Radio Show. Brought to you by Family Success Triangle.

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