This Is The Proof Angry Trump, 80, Is Unraveling

0:00It's Trump and Raveling. I think it's very hard to argue that he is not unraveling. If we go back to the Labor Day weekend, dozens and dozens and dozens of unhinged social media posting, his family were not alert to him. And we've rolled into this crump of the loser, this mega fire fest. Two speeches not one. It's impossible to see that this is anything other than a revelation of character and unraveling and opening up of Trump in a way that we have not seen before. This is definitely the anguars of the surface, the craziest of the surface, and the desertion of his own party as well. There was nothing for Republicans to act. The Republican meeting and Dallas, it was all for Trump. I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. Who is here with me in the studio? Fantastic to be back. I will say Hugh Dockety. It is so good to have you back. In the studio, Joanna, thank you for being back. Exactly. The editor of the Daily Beast knows everything going on in the news. So today, obviously, we're going to be talking about Trump,

1:03a loser, going to be talking about what was Trump really there at 9-11 when he said he was, of course, not doing spoilers now. We're going to be doing, we're going to be talking about him lunging, lunging after Rachel Scott, the reporter at ABC and Stephanie Grisham, his former press spokesman saying she recognized that face. I think so does everybody that works around him. And of course, we're going to be examining the pledge. I pledge, I pledge to talk about Trump and a loser with Hugh Dockety in a way that, well, what should we pledge, do, Hughie? Well, I tell you what, Joanna, if you are watching, you could pledge to hit the subscribe button and join our community. Very good. Yes. Will you pledge to join the Beast community? Smash our subscription button wherever you get your podcast, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, wherever we are here

2:04to dissect Trump. We're going to lay him out like one of those frogs that people dissected in the biology class where you sort of take it to part and unpeel the the viscerality of the frog, I think. What was Donald Trump doing at Trump Apollosa? Why did he need a two-day conference to celebrate himself when he is the lowest-polled president in the history, in the history? Nobody's ever seen anything like it. Where do we begin, Hughie? How bad is it? And how bad was Trump Apollosa? Well, our reporters, Baratomizen and serial wise, were at Trump Apollosa. They were there, loads of other reporters were there. I think we can safely say who was not there, quite a lot of people. Donald Trump spoke twice at this. He calls it a convention. Is it a convention? It's hard to say if it was a convention because there's never been one like this before. It wasn't a head of a presidential election when you have a convention, but he called it that. So let's go with

3:07that. And he said it was packed to the rafters. Unfortunately, serial wise was up in the rafters and she's got she had a pretty good view of what was going on. And if you're watching on YouTube, you can see it now. Right. Just take a look at Sarah's video showing you actually how many people were there because television is so deceptive. It can focus on a group of people that are corraled. I mean, you see this in concerts that they often corral people to sort of dance in the mosh pit and then you look around and everybody's just sitting there to donate fake. This was as sort of as you say mini conference, it was really a self celebration for Donald Trump to make it all about him because when is it about anybody else? And it fell pretty flat. Yeah, it doesn't know how it fell flat. It was two days. He spoke on both days. Lee Greenwood, who viewers and listeners will be surprised to learn is only 83. So a youngster in terms of retram pain, you know,

4:09relative youngster, of course, sang and a load of Trump people got up and spoke among them, RFK Jr., who said he didn't expect to ever be a Republican convention. And even though he was at the last one, so perhaps short memory, short memory, short memory, brainworm remembered, right. The brainworm remembered and it's all that sniffing stuff off toilets. And PSA. And then we saw a lot of a lot of low energy performance from a lot of people, JD Van spoke and those who are in the Republican world are saying this morning, this was great JD Van's really nailed that he is absolutely the person to succeed Donald Trump as the candidate. Did you say contest? Were you about to say contest? I did to say contest. You were a contestant, which is the right word. It was kind of like it was a bit of a low energy game show. And one of the things that serial wise discovered was that when you go to a concert, you get merch. The merch was half

5:13price on the second day. The merch was half price. So tell me about that. What was the merch? What I mean, what even is the merch at something like a Trump of pollution? Obviously, lots of very shiny things. Lots of gold. There was a gold Mercedes part outside. Of course, Mercedes, of course, not this Mercedes we checked, not made in the United States. What do you? Did Mercedes know that Mercedes was not in the official? This did not leave the factory in this color. Absolutely gar indeed. The inside you could buy Texas themed hats with Trump hats with Trump 2028, jackets with Trump's name on his back in that sort of, you know, sort of rodeo style. Right. Right. rodeo. I'm sorry. Between rodeo and sequins. Or trucks, but a trucker's trucker jackets. There were some trucker jackets and, yeah, it was half price, a lot of half price on the second day.

6:13So was it being tariffed, in fact? Well, it was a good point. That's a good point. Right. Because if they were being sent in from China or via NAM or whatever, these things are not made. Right. That's true, but maybe Nibbidi was buying them. So they had to be incentivized. I think it was a simple that, you know, they needed an economic stimulus. Did we give Farah and Sarah our correspondents who were there? Did we give them an expensive budget to buy some merch for the office? I feel like we should have one of those gold jackets hanging up. I have to say that we were, we were fiscally responsible, unlike, unlike the Trump administration. We do not do deficit financing at the daily beast. Right. So we didn't actually do that. I will check if they bought some for themselves. They are both well-dressed people. And if they are, we will ask them to parade in it for future auditions. Well, who doesn't need a trucker jacket? Honestly, it's all very odd. And I noticed that James Talleriko had taken Trump's name. We had a story about this in the beast this morning.

7:15And he, Donald Trump is calling James Talleriko, the Democratic Senate candidate standing opposite Trump's candidate, Ken Paxton, who will come back to him in a minute, because Trump managed to insult his own Indore Sea. But Trump calls James Talleriko Talleriko. And James has taken that very smartly and turned it into a nickname for himself. He's owning it, which is a smart thing. He's owning it. He's merging it. He's selling t-shirts so that people can proclaim that they too are Talleriko's. Yeah. And of course, he's ahead in the polls and texts. And some polls and texts as the polls are tied up. Texas had been deep red. It had been mega. People had really believed that it was very, very hard for a Democrat to even approach the idea of winning in Texas. But the tide has turned. And we have that. We have to thank for that. Ken Paxton and Ken Paxton managed to be insulted by Trump, not once, but twice. And smiled throughout the whole thing as if it was the last.

8:17I mean, this is what Trump does. He manages to humiliate his own most loyal stewardess. Ultimately, he despises them, I think, for being loyal to him, because he knows he's not worthy of it. It was notable that it was almost a bit of both nights, the bits of Trump's speech that Trump seemed to enjoy most. We're attacking Ken Paxton in his home state, where he is maybe tied up and, you know, maybe within the margin of error, maybe behind in significant number of polls. He's running out of money. He's spent to all beating John Karnan. And he has in James Tallah Freakow, as I guess we have to call him. He hasn't Tallahreakow. I've always clearly heard from Mittable Candidate. Mm-hmm. And then he gets Donald Trump saying, I don't like how he speaks. I don't like how he dresses. But please do me a favor and go and vote for him. I mean, is that what you want on your ads? Right. I mean, absolutely. You don't want that if your Ken Paxton, although Trump has amazingly dug into his 400 million stash

9:21that he's been raising right to give Ken Paxton $10 million, because he understands that the race is tight and Paxton might lose, and that will be bad for Trump, because of course, Trump backed Paxton, who was the saltless guy. Exactly. I've been John Karnan, who'd been disloyal to him. And Paxton was impeached as Attorney General. And both parties in Texas said, this is the one of the worst politicians we've ever had. And yeah, and the scandals just fall them around. You know, his wife divorced him on biblical grounds. He has attacked Talleriko, saying that Talleriko hates Jesus. And Talleriko, of course, you have interviewed him, Joanna, on the DailyBees podcast, as they interview. This is a guy who went to seminary. And on the other side, Paxton, who cheated on his wife, seriously, and is now cheated on the people of Texas. I bet you think, right? I mean, he's been accused of all sorts of financial shenanigans.

10:22And he's also, you know, said that Talleriko hates Texas and hates America. He spent July the fourth, and Ken Paxton spent July the fourth in London, which I believe is where America was declaring independence from. So there we are, but, you know, Donald Trump got a lot of amusement out of having a goal. Ken Paxton at Trump Apple lose, I hope so. And as a wife, I know, as you say, on his own territory, in Dallas. But the thing that really brought Trump to life, we discussed just at the top of the show, was the pledge. Yeah, the pledge. Okay, can we show, for those of you who didn't watch Trump Apple lose, and why would you watch it? We watched it, so you didn't have to. Let's show the pledge. Please raise your right hand. I pledge. I pledge. To the greatest president in the history of the United States. That loves us so much, he can't even breathe. That loves us so much, he can't breathe.

11:25That I will go out with my family, my friends. I'll do it anyway. I don't care if I'm registered or not, I'm going to try and cheat like hell like they do. He's going to, he's asking people to pledge. Oh, sorry, can I take my hand down? You can take your hand down. Um, he's asking people to pledge to cheat like hell. Yes. To cheat like hell. Well, at least he's open about it. And we should say, by the way, um, Mike Johnson, the speaker, had his hand up. Mike Johnson on January. Had his hand up. During the during the during the during the during the pledge. He was standing with his hand up. Of course he was. And I think someone else had their hand up. Mike Johnson's jacket because Mike Johnson is like one of those fellow, what are they called ventriloquists kind of poverty. He just says whatever Trump wants him to say. Um, Mike Johnson had tremendous power actually. Mm-hmm. January the third, he will be the speaker until January the third.

12:26If it's a blue wave, I came Jeffries should become the speaker. But the whole Congress has to be seated by the outgoing speaker. And he has to hand over the gavel in position of been in, you know, in the manner of civility we've seen that before. Um, these things are not actually guaranteed. There are things these there are things that can be done by an outgoing Congress that can make it messy and difficult. And there he was standing up. As a man said, I want you to pledge to cheat. It's a bit. It was clearly I'm using to this crowd. Right. And also when you heard the repeating back, I pledged to what is that the greatest president of the world, a seven-owned, whatever, the greatest president of the United States of America. I don't think anybody was actually saying the words. It sounded like they were going, mmm-hmm-hmm-hmm. Well, nobody actually wants to pledge that. And I think probably a lot of people in that crowd take the pledge of allegiance seriously. It's actually, it's a weirdly, it's a weird thing for a Republican president to make fun of the pledge of allegiance.

13:28Yes. This is a party that has dined out on not people not taking the pledge, on people not standing for the flag, on people not showing the outward signs of loving America. And in fact, that was one of the themes of this whole event before Trump had his joke pledge. And if it was a joke, it was a joke. But he was making a joke about the pledge. After two days of they hate America, they are the party that is dangerous. They are the party that despises the Constitution. They are the party that despises what unite us. That's their message going into this election. And then he gets up and he makes a joke out of the pledge of allegiance, which they are, you know, they are frankly obsessed by having recited any opportunity in this performative fashion. And again, none of this, none of Trump a pollusa,

14:29was a great message for anybody who was there to take home to their district, to their state and say, vote for me, I was there, look how great it was. There's no doubt this will pop up on democratic attack ads. It will pop up that they were there. There's already been Democrats pointing out. That's clear. About where was the candidate? Abdul Zalitwain, who were about to talk about in a different context. I was pointing out and CNN that he was in Michigan, but his rival, Mike Rogers, was in Dallas. And this is going to be a theme. You will there. Here's what happened. You will there. Look, did you have your hand up in the air for this pledge? It's going to pop up at local television debates, in television ads that people are being bombarded with already. It's given Democrats a lot of material. Right. So another person speaking there was someone who used to hate Donald Trump, who was an opponent when they were running for president. I'm talking about the Texas senator Ted Cruz. I was cruising and not cutting this down.

15:30I think it's good to send that to people. A lot of people ran against him. It was true. Because the vice president said he was like Hitler. But yes, Ted Cruz was, I think most people, with Farah and Sarah said that Ted Cruz got actually a very warm reception. He wasn't Texas, so it says native states. Although he's off. He's not as neat as states from Canada. But I was going to say and he's not always in Texas, actually. The time he had the big floods, he was in Greece. Yes. I mean, there was another moment when he was in Cancun when there was a disaster in Texas. We know that it was safe in Texas because he was there. Right. Right. That was good news for the people of Texas. Ted, you know you're going to be okay. And he was, he did get, he got a warm reception. And, but in the course of it, we had another example of something that while people might go, oh, this is within or whatever,

16:31is actually pretty chilling. And well, and it's particularly chilling, I think, just to preface it with the fact that it was a year since Charlie Kerr could be in shock. Yes, exactly. This was a form of time. This was on the day that the Republicans had come together and talked about the dangers of political violence. And this clip suggests something rather different. Right. Let's play it. He means it. So that's a sort of ominous that the voice, the sole voice in the crowd there, although he got support from people when he said he should be shocked. Yes.

17:32I mean, again, we just said on the day, on the anniversary of Charlie Kerrk actually being shot. What is Ted Cruz doing here? Well, I will say we do not know if Ted Cruz could hear what was being shouted from the floor. It's a big event space. It went necessarily a big number of people there, but it's a big event space. It is possible that he could not hear. What we haven't heard afterwards from him is a condemnation. What we didn't hear was that that person who shouted this absolutely twisted attack on these three Democrats, we didn't hear that that person had been removed. In fact, we asked and we were told, oh, we know nothing about that. Right. So it doesn't appear that any action was taken. And this again, this is the group that demands that, you know, that Democrats are played for the views of one extreme, as the streamer Hassan Piker that we've all heard about, and honestly, who has even watched.

18:36But we've all heard about that. And sure, this guy has said some important things. This person who shouted he should be shot was explicitly demanding the death of three three Democrats, two of them notably are not white. And nothing has happened. This person has not been apparently not been found. The Secret Service haven't gone after him. And we've got to say, at what point is it plausible that the Republican party just didn't notice? We're well past that point. So, overall, was this a win for Trump? I mean, Fox News covered it slavishly. The other networks not so much. So the numbers are not good. The ratings for the first night, I'm sure that Fox News didn't get a bump out of it. So the Nate, the same number of people tuned into Fox that would normally tune in. So you might say that's a failure. I'm going to offer a slightly contrary in view.

19:38And I'm not one of those slightly, oh, I'm going to be a contrarian normally. But the fact that nobody really noticed might actually be the win, because it wasn't good. Right. It wasn't good at all. The big pledge was this $5,000 bribe for everybody. That has kind of resonated a bit. But nobody believes it. And then people threatening political violence, people making pledges to cheat. And when we come onto it, the revelation of how many people were actually there, none of that looks good for Trump. And the fact that it hasn't really been watched. It wasn't on the networks. It's not resonating through social media. Google, which shows the trends that people are Googling. Not many people are Googling about this. So overall, the fact that it hasn't made an impact, maybe not entirely a failure in a very strange, very strange way. That is a very contrarian take, and I admit I could be wrong.

20:39Don't follow me for analysis. Well, it's intriguing. And also on Wednesday, of course, there was the bombing by Iran of American planes. Eight, F-15s just taken out. Was the war much of a theme? No, there was absolutely an attempt to avoid talking about the war. It came up very glancingly now and again, but it was a real determination not to mention this. Occasional mentions about standing up, about victory, and about things like that. But the real detail and nitty-gritty, absolutely not. One thing that's worth noting, we're talking about this on September 11th, 25 years ago. We started the cycle of the river wars. And it was very notable that previous Republican conventions had paid tribute to the troops, had paid tribute to those who went to serve. And this really wasn't mentioned.

21:40Because, let's be honest, it bad news. It's bad news. It's bad news for Donald Trump this war cannot be ended. It's getting worse. Although he's revisited the war in his speech at the Pentagon. So we know that he was basically frozen out of the New York Memorial Service, where the previous presidents were all gathered. So you had George W. Bush, you had the Clintons, you had Obama, and you had Joe Biden. I wonder if Donald Trump looks at them and thinks, oh, it's the president's club, and they're all hanging out without me. And now they are laughing at me because I've done this thing of starting a war that I said I wouldn't do. And now I can't get out of it. And now even my closest allies, Marco Rubio's Secretary of State, and Pete Hexworth, and J.D. Vance, obviously, the Vice President have let it slip that they think it's going to go on to the end of my term. Well, everybody who has watched those very moving commemorations,

22:41down at ground zero, for many years, I've noted that one of the points is, it's not about politicians, it's not about the politics, it's about the names of those who died. And it is always every year, it's tremendously moving to just hear those names being read from A, all the way through. And Donald Trump wasn't going to be allowed to make a speech. He has denied reports that he demanded to make a speech, but he hasn't denied that he wanted to make a speech. Well, and he made his speech. And he said, right? He went to the painting. Right, he went to the painting. He was, I mean, he was honestly pretty low energy. It appears that after his speech, in fact, was spotted appearing to doze off. And he was reading off the teleprompter, which he never does well. And he weirdly referred to the date of atrocities, date that is extra everybody's memory.

23:44He referred to as 2001. We will always remember the victims and the families of September 11th, 2001, very famous date, unfortunately. Right, instead of 2000 and he was reading, he wasn't prepared. Well, he'd obviously not read it before, right? And he kept veering off, very clearly veering off with his sort of visceral descriptions of what happened. And how if you were related to someone who died in 911, you could listen to that and not be appalled by him, trying to cheapen the drama of it? And then, as he appeared to doze off at the end, as they were reading out the names of the dead at the Pentagon. Well, I'm sure he found it very tedious, because it's not about him. It's not about him. And this is, you know, this is a date that is not about anybody here that is still alive. It's about those who died and those who were bereaved. Right. And those who ran to, who ran to, to help. And many of them are now suffering as well.

24:46None of that, none of that relates to the world of Donald Trump. Right. Just we know. And I'm not going to crawl inside his head with that, it's Michael Wolfe. But there has never been a moment in all of Trump's time as president, in which that empathetic, I feel your pain, role of the president has been one that he could adopt. Well, he did have one school, which is that his wife turned up and sat next to him. I was wondering if Natalie Hart would be sitting next to him, the human printer. Okay, she had some late minute printout. Some new memes. Yeah, some new memes. Yes, but Melania actually had a rare showing. Yes. We know we've been chronicling Melania's presence. We've been auditing her time as first lady. And it turns out she's the least visible first lady of the century, where recording this on Friday morning and she was at the Pentagon ceremony with him. She was at the Pentagon. She did not speak, but not at all surprising. That's the first public appearance that she has made this month.

25:49She also had a private appearance earlier in the week. And we're hearing slightly from September the 11th year, but I think it's worth recording. It was a surreal occasion. She spoke in the Rose Garden to the White House Historical Association and she spoke about the value of design and legacy. And the irony that she was standing where her husband had concreted over Jackie Kennedy's Rose Garden on, a few hundred yards from where her husband had destroyed the East Wing. And just behind where the Rose Garden is, is the Portugal, which he has adorned with pictures of former presidents and covered in gold. And then you can, it's just beside the Oval Office, which of course is now bedecked in so much gold that it's a miracle it hasn't collapsed under its own weight. And she lectured on the importance of design and beauty.

26:50So very strange. I would like to discuss the value of design. I mean, it's superculeous. I know what it was alerted to this in advance. So no reporters there. They put a short video on social media. I think even her team must have realized that, I mean, come on. It's somewhere beyond parody. Right. You go to the White House, your husband is desecrated and talk about beauty and design. Well, perhaps she likes the new helipad. She may be a fan of the new helipad. Right. Because she's haunted. She's got a little bit of weight. Well, I was going to say, and also she's the one that has to walk across the lawn in those very high stilettos. You know, good job, Melania, because that's quite hard. It's an un- it's an un- celebrated role of the first lady to wear heels on the lawn. So she doesn't know retired. And now retired. And now retired. So yeah, and in fact, one of Trump's reasons he said for paving over the paradise of Jackie O's rose garden was that ladies couldn't stand in their heels.

27:53Yes. They were puncturing the lawn with their stilettos. I guess Democrats probably wore, you know, wedges. Because they're more cast dogs. Perkins, perkins. We're really old ones. Not the new trendy ones. Right. Original Berksons. The original Berksons. The original Berksons. Yes. Oh dear, we're falling for memes. We're falling for tropes. We're falling for cliches. What I think might become a meme on the Democrats for the Democrats though is what happened at the end of Trump a loser. The MTCs. And we have some pretty remarkable video. Okay, let's show them. Let's show them. Here's MTCs. Hi Jeremy, is that your name? It'll be our show. It's just what you want to see when you're boasting that it's filled to the rafters. It's filled to the rafters, except it's not there's an entire tear

28:56that is completely empty and they're selling merch at half price. Yes. So what happened after Trump ran to about MTCs? Well, he left obviously. And he was flying back to DC and stopped on the way onto his Griff's force one. The goal plane was waiting fueled up ready to go. The one that the emergency shoots came off. No emergency shoots came off this time. No catering trucks were at hand. Could there have been a better metaphor for him on his way to Trump a loser than the emergency shoot suddenly being triggered on his Griff force? Oh, and he's as was a lot of Republicans' grief. They're going down the shoots. Right, no, it was a fantastic metaphor. But he stopped to take questions from the press and he looked, I'll just be honest, he looked all too sweaty, he looked as sheeviled. Well, he's also had a week of bad hair.

29:57Yes. Because when he was going out with the emergency shoot in the background, he also stopped to do an impromptu press conference. Yes, it was very windy. His flap of hair blew up and you could see the scalp. I think you could see the scars from the scalp reduction that Jeffrey Epstein told Michael Wolfe, Donald Trump had had. And then you could see this kind of weird construction where he's got bits of hair here that are then attached to the other bits. It's all very odd, but it was very... Yes. Normally he keeps that stuff hidden. Yes. It was very much on display. It was as if the wizard of Oz had been revealed and he was bald. He's bald after... The Wizard of Bald. Yeah, the Wizard of Bald. Yeah, that hair's not real people, just in case it's not real. And although there was a very funny meme of someone saying they'd seen it breathing and I think I've seen it walking around Central Park on its own early in the morning. So it's... It's to get his head up real. Yeah, because it's going to be sitting on his scalp all day.

30:59Anyway, we die, we die, Greta. So he stops for an impromptu... Stop for an impromptu press conference. And he takes a couple of questions. And then he is asked by Rachel Scott of ABC News about these $5,000 checks. And we have got the... We have got the clip. Wow, not you, not you. And then the way he pushes is... You can see people aren't intimidated by him. Michael Wolf talks a lot about how Trump uses his physicality, which is obviously shrinking now and he's sort of curving over. But you could see it there and then Stephanie Grisham, which that we mentioned earlier, are exed out, tweeted out, Oh, I know that face. I know that face. We rarely get such an obvious insight of what is going on inside the site.

32:02And the launch, the way that he moves forward, if you're listening on Apple or on Spotify or podcasts, what we saw with Trump is that he will get real lunges forward towards Rachel Scott. And he's slightly taller, I think, than Rachel Scott. Despite, as you say, he's shrinking. He was a reasonably large man. He was not quite as tall as he said he was, but he was still a big... Well, he's six, two, right? He's probably six, two, and he's white. He says he's six, three. Certainly white. I think realistically looking at it, he's now below six feet. We've seen pictures of him with people who are genuinely six feet. We saw him, we've seen him with pictures of people who are six feet, two, he's clearly not. Right. Actually, people who's six feet, he's slightly under, I think he's on his way down. His posture is clearly an issue. Right. But he launched towards her. And he's a growling might be the word, the way that he's saying it, not you, not you. Rachel Scott is not the first target of this sort of thing,

33:02not the first woman to be targeted, but he actually has very specific history with her. I was going to say they have clashed. They have not clashed. He has gone after her for the way that for questions that are completely legitimate that he doesn't like. Started at the National Association for Black Journalists in 2024 when he was campaigning. And he uncorked, I think we will probably remember this extraordinary tirade against Carmen Harris saying I didn't know she was black. She just, I just discovered she was black. Is she black or is she indeed incredibly offensive? And Rachel Scott quite rightly called him out and asked him what he meant. And he left the stage early. And afterwards, the NAB, the National Association of Black Journalists said that she had received death threats, but it looked clearly from his followers. Right. But that has not put her off. She has been able to keep going after him. She asked him in the Oval Office about the deaths of 18 service members in his war in Iran.

34:05And he described it as small potatoes. And he again, she challenged him on how's that small potatoes. And again, this, you know, this prompted an angry response. But this is without doubt this is, I think the physicality of this anger, we are seeing something more disinhibited. I would guess is probably a way to look at it. Is Trump unraveling? I think it's very hard to argue that he is not unraveling. I think yes, we have seen evidence this week that suggests he's unraveling. We saw if we go back to the Labor Day weekend, dozens and dozens and dozens of unhinged social media posting, and I know you've discussed them with Michael Wolfe, we've talked about David Rothkoff. The one that jumps out, of course, is him in an animation attacking Mark Carney, the Canadian Prime Minister with a hockey stick. There are other ones, one spot, an international incident because he wanted to take over Iceland.

35:11And there was just this series of things. He was obviously up late. He was posting untruth social late at night. His family were not around him, rather notably over this Labor Day weekend. And we've rolled into this Trump bubble loser, this MAGA fire fest. Two speeches, not one. You know, this sort of this very public going after Rachel Scott, which is atrocious. And then this morning, falling asleep, doing the names. I think it's impossible to see that this is anything other than a revelation of character, an unraveling and opening up of Trump in a way that we have not seen before, not even during the appallingness handling of COVID when it was clear that his administration then was teetering on the brink, not even after January 6th when people deserted him. This is different. This is much more public. The anger is at the surface. The crazy is at the surface. And the desertion of his own party as well.

36:14There was nothing for Republicans act. The Republican meeting in Dallas. It was all for Trump. So Hugh, let's take a pledge at the Daily Beast that we will continue to cover Donald Trump with neither fear nor favor. Thank you very much. I always feel guilty tearing you away from the newsroom because I know there is so much to do. There is a lot to do. Other things, and I'll just say on the Daily Beast, the DailyBeast.com right now, we're covering other news for Donald Trump, which is not great, the economy, which he has got problems with and we're covering that in depth. And we're also covering the commemorations of September the 11th. And one of the things worth seeing is that the contrast, I think we've seen in between Donald Trump, going on sleep at the Pentagon and there was for a living ex-presidents being there is probably the moment that I think we should all reflect on as we go far.

37:15Yeah, and I would just say I was down in downtown, I mean, I lived downtown, but I was right down in Fyde last night having dinner at a couple of restaurants, actually a double dinner at last night. And just thought to myself, what an extraordinary job the city has done in rebuilding that whole area and it's vibrant, there's an art center, the memorial is a huge tourist attraction now. And you know, 25 years ago when we were both here, it wasn't possible to think about how the city would be rebuilt and how people would survive. We all really thought that this was some crushing ball. All right, next is Stential Below to New York City and it turns out that New York City is bigger than any one particular terrorist event. Let's hope anyway. And it was sort of thrilling to be downtown knowing that actually 25 years on the city is more vibrant than ever. I think maybe we should all reflect on that, that what we saw this week at this Dallas event was dark

38:20and what we saw with this attack on Rachel Scott was dark. Maybe we should can reflect that there is the possibility of resilience and redemption here too. Huey, profound words for a Friday morning, it's time to get back to the newsroom. Thank you for joining us if you have, don't forget to subscribe to the Daily Beast and a big thank you to our production team, John Romero, Ryan Murray, Rachel Pasahe, Heather Pizarro, and Neil Rosenhouse. I will be back tomorrow inside Trump's head with Michael Wolf poking around to see what is left inside that strange cavernous space. So the good news is we have so many BB beast tier members now. There are too many names to read out and we really appreciate your support.