The Unsealed Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 4)

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1:00Craving the coffee flavor you love. But without the caffeine, kachavas got you covered with their newest coffee flavor. This all-in-one nutrition shake delivers bold, authentic flavor, crafted from premium, decaffeinated Brazilian beans. With 25 grams of protein, six grams of fiber, greens, and so much more. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves. Go to kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's k-a-c-h-a-v-a.com code news. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode we're picking up where we left off with the grand jury documents from Palm Beach. Bellohovelic, okay, did you discuss with redacted what happened up in the room? Answer, yes. Then we got in the back of our truck. At first, we were all like, let's go. Let's go spend our money. Then she was like, oh, what happened? What did you do? How much money did you get? And I was like, I got 300.

2:01And I was like, kind of excited, $300. And then she was like, you got 300? What did you have to do with him? And then she told, or I told him, or her what I did. And then she's like, oh, yeah. I've done that too, blah, blah, blah. And like, you could, she was then she told me like, what, what like, if you do this, it's, you get that. If you do this, then you get that. And then she was telling me like all this stuff. And then I was like laughing about it. Cause I was like, yeah, thanks, you know, for telling me that. I'd have to get in my bra. And she's like, oh, sorry. And she's laughing. And then the other girl starts laughing too. And then we all laugh together. And then we went to TJ Maxx and she got a purse. And I didn't spend any of my money. I kept it in my, I wanted to spend it, but I didn't want to spend it at TJ Maxx. I wanted to go to the mall or something. So then I kept it in my house like my purse and stuff. And she gets stopped there by Bella Hovelik. Let me stop you there. When you're in the car back with Redacted going back,

3:03did you and Redacted discuss doing this again? So you could earn more money? Answer, yeah. Bella Hovelik, okay. Answer, I think she's cut off again by Bella Hovelik. Then the witness cuts Bella Hovelik off. We had, she, she didn't plan a like certain date. She was just like, we didn't like plan this or like again, we didn't plan it, plan it. It was just like she was like, oh, well, if you ever need money again, you can always call me and you can come with me. And I said, okay. Bella Hovelik, you don't recall telling Detective Pagan that you made plans to do this every Saturday so that you could get rich. Answer, oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it wasn't like a plan plan. It was kind of like an imaginary kind of every Saturday. Like Bella Hovelik, okay. And just interject here, folks, because I can't stop myself. Can you see what Bella Hovelik's doing? Can you see how Bella Hovelik turned this witness into basically a prostitute, a little girl? This is what I've been telling you for how long? Everybody's out there yelling about lists and all the other bullshit.

4:04And we've been on target this whole entire time. While the vast majority of other people were dicking around with a bunch of stuff that doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. Bella Hovelik, did you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house to give mother massages? Answer, I did not. Bella Hovelik, okay. Answer, when I was on the phone with the detective, we pretended for redacted, because she was on the other line. We pretended that I was going to go back, but just so she could say something, but I never did. Bella Hovelik, okay. So you did a controlled phone call with redacted. Answer, uh-huh. Bella Hovelik trying to get her to make admissions. Answer, uh-huh. Bella Hovelik, is that a yes? Answer, yeah. Bella Hovelik, okay. All right, was there another reason you sort of didn't go back? That some people might have found out about it, or you were talking about you? Answer, yeah. That's what I was going to get to. At school, I had like my best friend, and I told her in dance class, because that's my first period. And that was my first period class.

5:05And like, right, when I go back to school, I had the $300 in my purse with me, and I told her like, if you ever wanna make $300, you can come with me, and redacted will take you. And I didn't say her name. I said like, my friend will take you, and all you have to do is give them a massage and stuff. And I told her what I did. I didn't tell her everything. I didn't tell her the vibrator part. I just left that out, but I told her everything else. And um, she kind of laughed and giggled, and she's like, okay, I'll keep that in mind. And then, um... Bella Hovelik, who was this person that you told? Answer, redacted and redacted? Well, she was in the conversation, but she's like, didn't say anything to anybody. Bella Hovelik redacted, answer, redacted. She didn't, she didn't say anything at first until everybody else found out. And then, well, after I told her redacted, the rest of the day goes by. And she was telling people, and like, telling everybody in school. And then, I was like, I saw her in my gym class that same day, and I just confronted her. I was like, well, why are you telling people?

6:05And that's kind of my business. And I kind of told you to be nice, and not to like go around telling people, you're supposed to be my best friend. And then she just laughed about it. So then, we got an altercation in the gym room. Bella Hovelik, was that a fight? Answer, yes. Bella Hovelik, you had a fight. Answer, I, we got into a fight. And that's when I was had to go to the principal's office. And told the lady that why we got into the fight with me. And I told her why she, why we got into the fight. And I kind of, we at first, we both, kind of lied about why, because, or I did. And then, and then I just told the principal, she was spreading rumors about me. And then, redacted, I guess, told the principal, why, like, for real? And so then the principal, when I had to go in the room, she was like, let me see in your purse. And I said, why? And she's like, ask me if I had any money. And I said, no, I don't have any money on me. And then she said, like, you don't have to lie. You're not going to be in trouble. Give me your purse.

7:06And then I gave her my purse. And she found the 300. And she asked me how I got it. And I said I worked at redacted, because at the time, I really did work at redacted. And to this, she's interrupted by Bella Hovelik. And why'd you lie to the assistant principal? Witness, because I didn't think it was like, any of her business, like, why are we arguing or anything? And I thought, why would I tell on myself if she doesn't really know anything? But then she really did know, because redacted told her. And then she, after she showed, like, after she took my purse and she looked at the 300, and she didn't believe what I said, like, at all. And I just kept lying and, like, saying, no, I got it from redacted, my work, my work. And then she said, you don't have to lie. I know what happened. And she called my stepmom. And my stepmom came to the school. And my stepmom said, like, you didn't get 300 from your paycheck, you're lying. And then that's when, that's when, like, I don't know, everything kind of came out. And then I, she's interrupted by Bella Hovlik here.

8:07You didn't tell your parents at first, so did you lie to them, too? Answer, I said I was doing drugs, and I was dealing them like I made up any kind of lie. I didn't want to tell them what happened. Answer, did there come a time when Detective Pagan got some messages on your phone? Answer from Bella Hovlik from redacted. Answer, redacted. Yeah, she, oh, well, after that whole thing, my cell phone was taken away. So she had my cell phone from that day until I moved to redacted. And she liked my mom. I think she still has it, or the court, or whatever has my cell phone. Bella Hovlik, you talked about telling your mom, you were doing drugs or selling drugs? Answer, yeah, I just, Bella Hovlik cuts her off, which one? Answer, my, just both. I just kind of, my dad's arguing with me, and I just kind of told him, well, I'm a drug dealer. Bella Hovlik, okay, so you've had a problem with drugs though, haven't you? Answer, I did. Not a problem, I experimented. Bella Hovlik, didn't your parents actually send you away

9:09to a rehabilitation center because of it? Answer to a family help center. Bella Hovlik, okay. Answer to be specific or whatever. It was because of that, but it was also because I had a lot of family like getting along problems, like I argued with my parents a lot. Bella Hovlik, were you doing drugs during the time that you went to Jeffrey Epstein's house? Answer, no. Well, the only, the only drug that I did at that time was pot, like I smoked it sometimes. I didn't do like drug drugs, like bad kinds of drugs. Bella Hovlik, do you still smoke pot? Answer, no. Bella Hovlik, do you have a MySpace.com account? Answer, yes, I have a MySpace. Bella Hovlik, oh, there you talk about doing drugs. Craving the coffee flavor you love, but without the caffeine, Kachava's got you covered with their newest coffee flavor. This all-in-one nutrition shake delivers bold, authentic flavor, crafted from premium decaffeinated Brazilian beans with 25 grams of protein, six grams of fiber, greens, and so much more.

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11:13Go to Kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's K-A-C-H-A-V-A.com code news. Answer, no, I don't talk about it. There's like a little thing where it says create like your own thingy and it asks questions like a survey. That's the word I'm looking for. A survey about like they just ask questions and it says have you ever done drugs? And I said yeah. Have you, it says have you ever done drugs? Bellahovlik, okay. It asks a lot of questions about you, right? Answer, yes. But I also did delete that in my space. And I did a good one. I, she's cut off by Bellahovlik, but she goes on. I deleted it because my parents found out. Bellahovlik, so you had one that wasn't real good? Answer, yes. Bellahovlik, that you lied about your age on. Seduar 18 on. Answer, no. I didn't say I was 18. Bellahovlik, this your account. Answer, no. Bellahovlik here with redacted. Female 18 years old. Lives and redacted. Answer, yes, but I didn't do this one.

12:15All minds have like cool things in the back, like mine. I would never make an ugly one. Bellahovlik, redacted. Do have more fun. Answer, yeah. Bellahovlik, you're a redacted. Answer, yeah. And I have that X like those exact same things on my old one. It had like not in what it says about me in that little sentence. Bellahovlik, okay. Answer, that's not, I didn't make that. Bellahovlik, so when you're talking about that survey, you answered. It says your choice of alcohol. And you put beer. Answer, yeah. Bellahovlik, do you drink beer? Answer at parties. Bellahovlik. Okay, it says you have four piercings. Answer, not anymore. Now, I only, well, I used to have my belly button pierced. Bellahovlik, it takes, you have to be 18 in the state of Florida to have body piercings other than your ears. How? Answer, my dad. Bellahovlik, how did you get those? Answer, my dad took me to get my belly button pierced from my 14th birthday.

13:15Because like everybody was getting one, so I begged for it. And then I just got my nose pierced, so. Bellahovlik, did you have to provide identification for your nose just to prove your 18? Answer, no, my dad, my dad let me. Bellahovlik, your dad, okay. So you didn't have false identification at that time. Answer, no. Bellahovlik. Okay, so you said yes to drinking and smoking, smoking pot. Answer, yeah. Bellahovlik, there's a question. Do you shoplift? Do you recall what you put for that? Answer, I did. Bellahovlik, what did you shoplift? Answer like a couple of times. Bellahovlik, do you recall putting lots of times on your site? Answer, maybe this was a long time ago, so. Bellahovlik, okay, you report an income of $250,000. Answer as a joke, Bellahovlik, on that site? Answer, yeah, it's a joke. Like all my friends do that, because it's kind of funny and random and stupid. Bellahovlik, okay, so it's not that you're making money elsewhere.

14:15Answer, no, it, she's interrupted by Bellahovlik doing similar activity. Answer, it was just kind of stupid, it's like a joke. Bellahovlik, okay, did you ever make arrangements with redacted to go back to Jeffrey Epstein's house in April of 2005? Answer, not when I was with her, maybe on a phone conversation like with the detective, but not ever when I was with her. Question from Bellahovlik, did you ever talk to redacted about going back in April of 2005? Answer, I really don't think so. Bellahovlik, okay, all right, at this point, I'm going to ask the grand jurors if they have any questions for you. Answer, okay, all right, we're going to wrap up this episode right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up with the grand jurors and their line of questioning. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. Hey, this is Byard Winthrop, founder of American Giant. Back in 2011, I was fed up sick of cheap disposable clothes that fell apart after a few washes and even more sick of the fact that almost nothing good was made here anymore.

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