The Spirits of the Pub, Part Two | Grave Talks CLASSIC

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1:00Welcome to part two of our conversation with Andy Guy. An avalice in itself, the device, and there's a gazillion apps out there, some better than others. But the way it works and please correct me if I'm wrong, it's essentially there's a giant bank of words in this thing. Yeah. And then we're relying on the ghost or the spirit to somehow know how to access the data on this device to pick that word or this word, is that? Exactly. Exactly. And if you don't know how to do it, then how could you know they, how would they need to do it? And also you can't even explain it to them. So how would that work as a communication medium? We're talking about, I don't know. I mean it's bizarre because I do not investigate much. For the most part, I am sitting here in the studio every single day, having conversations like this. But me and my daughter have been going out a bit and doing some stuff on social media.

2:02And there is one app that I got that's an avalice type app. And I did my research and asked around, like, is there anything that anyone would recommend? And the one I have has been highly recommended by a lot of people. And that's I take that out. We have been a rem pod and all of their stuff. But as far as what this app has produced has been creepily weird and very much on when we've been out, as far as the words that it's saying that correspond specifically to like what we're asking or saying. One of the most bizarre ones that I had not that long ago, we were in a cemetery, which was surprisingly very active on this app. I go to another location that can be completely dead. So it's not always consistent either. In terms of it, you know, always producing activity. But I said to my daughter, or I said, I'm allowed to the air. I said, if you can, and she was carrying a K2 meter, you know, try and use that device. Go closer the device that she's holding and that that will help

3:04light it up if you get close to it or try and touch it or something. And I was just saying the thing over there. And then it says meter. And it's like, yes, exactly the meter. Yes, I was, but I'm like speaking in child speak, but it's like, that was interesting of all the words to pick at that moment in time. And there had been others too that were just really, I don't know, I was I was very surprised. And I don't think I was going to too much lengths to try and make it make sense either. So I don't know. I mean, that that's been one. I'm just kind of going into it without an opinion. You know, of course, he hear this or that and everybody has their opinions on what works or doesn't. But I'm like, let's just try it. Let's see what it does. And that that surprisingly has been interesting for me. And I don't know, maybe there is a way to to figure out how to manipulate such a thing on the other side. But that also then again, contradicts the way that I look at a lot of these things too of if I can't figure out how to do it myself over here, why would I expect a ghost to be able to do it? So I know.

4:07Exactly. Yeah. Other things, other devices that are out there, I mean, obviously EVPs, things of that nature. But there's many other like audio type manipulation things that are out there these days as well. Cool tools. Yeah. The ghost box, there's those other things that are basically kind of like random noise generators. And yeah, the portal type things, those are, those have been scarily interesting to watch some uses of those. What are your thoughts on some of those type of things? So the, yeah, the whole concept of IGC is interesting. The problem is how people are using is not usually consistent with that theory. So the theory goes that you generate white noise and then an entity is able to manipulate that white noise into words. Yeah. So the problem with some of that is, is say for example, when people are using earphones,

5:08then there's no, there's no air for that noise to get manipulated. That's pressure wave creating that white noise. There's no way to move it because it's not actually ever a pressure wave with earphones. The other, the other weird thing is that you don't usually see people just using white noise generators. You see them using radios to generate white noise, which shouldn't be necessary. If the concept is the white noise is manipulated, then you could use white noise generator, which could be a radio just on one frequency that's got nothing else on. Then that could use. So we, we had a red and sp7 and we used it for about two years. And for about a year of that, we kept it inside a Faraday bag, which is like, you know, it was a mobile phone. So you put the mobile phone in it. It's got a copper mesh inside the fabric of it. It stops any communication to that phone. But we put an sp7 instead inside. And for the year, we didn't get a single thing out of it.

6:17So the first year we did when we didn't use that bag, we'd usually get the odd words here and there. The second year inside that bag, nothing at all. Investigation, optimization, we recorded the entire night. Not a sausage, which isn't, isn't that encouraging, but it did kind of, it was another bit of equipment than after that. I would just sold. I just come down that whole manipulation thing again as well. You get this, this, this thing you're trying to witness and record. But then something has been done to it. Reverebs being added to it or delays being added to it. So anything coming through is already going to be manipulated. That thing's radio. And yeah. And that's been interesting with the reverb on some of these, and I don't even know what some of these devices are called, but I've seen some interesting ones that don't necessarily run radio frequencies. But they, it is a white noise, but it's like a,

7:19it already has audio to it. And I'm probably not describing it very well. But it is another form of like an SB7, small radio, and with the reverb, I've been shocked by some of these things that I've been seeing people supposedly getting. And with the radio as well, I've always, I've questioned it just because, okay, you're hearing this, you're scanning frequencies of people talking. And to say that this is surely this or that, I don't know. I mean, there's, I've had some very interesting ones though, not that I've captured myself, but some guests who've been on the show have sent me quite amazing little pieces of audio, even like saying my name when they were talking about, you know, you're going to be on the show and name the, I mean, it was like

8:20scary as far as what I was being presented with. When we go on to the future of investigating and devices and tools and things of that nature, where do you think it takes us? What's coming down the line in the next 10 years? What do you think will be developed that's, you know, out there right now or somebody's trying to tinker with? So actually, I've got, I've just asked, there's one point about the, yeah, the SB7 thing which I think quite touch on. Go ahead. And I think that there is, there is something to the SB7 or anything, or any other kind of radio based speaker playing. And that is the EMF factor. So one bunch of experimentation that we did was was with playing audio through EMF frequencies. So using a guitar pickup to, as an audio input and pushing out that

9:22amplify through a guitar pickup and then using another guitar pickup to then pick up that EMF and change it back into audio. So passing that audio through the EMF bands rather than through as a, as a pressure wave. And that was, that was quite interesting. We were, we were getting lots of little EVPs that way just by calling out and then passing it through EMF. So that's something I want to pursue a little bit. But that also indicates that if you had something which was, which was sensitive to those sort of EMF like a, like a speaker and the microphones we use are dynamic ones. So they are also sensitive to the EMF. Could that speaker, which is also amplified, pick up those little bits of EMF and then put out the voice. So what people are picking up on EVPs and maybe even through SB7s is actually recorded or generated EMF fragments of words, which then

10:26are coming out. And then just because there's a radio playing, that's almost by the buy. You're also actually picking up things which you could have picked up on an audio recorder. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. As we dig deeper into this, the, the more and more possibilities that exist in new ways to think about these sort of things, especially if you have an understanding of how these things work. Yeah. And those are the future. We went a bit nuts at the end of last year and then just started with a lot of different things which we could just try and then see if there was any sort of pattern to what results we got like air capacitance or filling a room full of positive ions and all the sort of random little things which you haven't tried just as a kind of a spatter of experiments. But equipment wise, I think, I think the, the flair technology type

11:28thing. So the thermal imaging is, is going to become a lot cheaper. I've been, I've made a flair about two or three years ago now using a rate cheap sensor which did that because eight by eight matrix and then I've on top a little bit. It was kind of rough. But then I've seen a newer one which is a bit, bit cheaper. So I think that, that will go down and then people will be able to use those in ways which are little unexpected to be able to then visualize differences in heat in different places, which we're not currently seeing with, with just flat players. Yeah. So example that, you know, the concept of, you know, like a 3D vision of what temperature is looking like, for example, that could certainly be something which we don't see too long for now. And yeah, that would be, they'll be very interesting to see. Yeah, because that gives you a bit more data. Yeah. So, and without going too much into things. So if one thing we've witnessed in audio is that there could be some sort of,

12:30I don't say, dimensional, basically, I'm talking about physical dimensions aspect to what we're seeing. So things are flatter than they should be. Or as they're going further down a corridor, they're becoming more high pitched than they should be. So it's temperature the same. Are we seeing, when we see kind of a cold patch or feel cold patch, is that, is that actually a 3D object? Or is that something which is not this reading, which might be another bit of interesting bit of inflation? Well, I'm personally looking at future wise, is, is interconnectivity of devices. So using some low power Bluetooth, how devices communicate to each other around a building, so that when something is changing or something is happening, then you're more aware where to go. Because sometimes you get to some buildings which are absolutely ginormous and you could be seeing in room and missing things going somewhere else. So being able to kind of pin down where to go is going to be a big

13:31step forward for us as a team. That wraps up parts of our conversation with Andy. A big thank you to him for joining us and sharing his experiences with us on the program. Until next time for all of us at the Grave Talks. I'm Tony Brusky. Thanks for listening.