The New York Nail Bombs + The FBI's Maricopa Raid

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1:02and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. All right, happy Monday. It is March 9, 2026. Blake, welcome this morning. Howdy. Lots, lots of news this weekend. We are in 10 days of the Iran conflict at what CNBC is describing as the largest oil disruption, energy disruption in history. In history is what it's called in 1972 or 1973. That's what it's calling. That's what they're calling it. I'm not sure I buy it, but yeah, the Americans, it's been sold. The oil supply disruption in history might be a, it's like, well, I guess most people are too young to remember, including me. In the 70s after the Yom Kippur War, a lot of the Middle East did an oil embargo of the West. It's interesting because sometimes people speculate that there's that famous what the heck happened in 1972 or so is that chart where everything starts going bad in the early 70s.

2:05And one of the arguments is it was the oil embargo. It suddenly made energy more expensive. Well, about 20% of the global supply has been disrupted for about 9, 10 days now, more than double the previous record set during the Suez crisis of 1956. So that's per CNBC. There's virtually no spare capacity to address the problem because Saudi Arabia, UAE are cut off from the global oil market. Anyway, so I listen, I think there is a apparently it's not a supply issue. It's just there is a shock to the system and people don't know how it's going to resolve. So uncertainty drives fear. Oil is backed down under $100 a barrel though. It's off its eyes. So I think the market is sort of trying to find where where the line really should be. But there's definitely some fear rattling the markets. We can get into that in a little bit. But we want to start with the lead today of New York. In New York, it was a very disruptive discouraging dangerous moment that happened where self-radicalized ISIS, they call protesters.

3:13These are terrorists used explosives called mother of Satan inside bombs thrown at Gracie mansion. So Gracie mansion is of course where Mayor Maldonny and his Islamist loving wife live. And there were anti Muslim protests saying they didn't want the we want to stop the Islamification the Muslim takeover of New York City. These two terrorists suspects in the Gracie square terror incident, a mere ballot who's 18 and Ibrahim Kiyumi 19 are both U.S. citizens. But lots of parents are Turkish immigrants who are naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2017. Kiyumi's parents are Afghan immigrants. His mother was naturalized in 2009 and his father in 2004. Yay. Yeah. Isn't it great? Yeah, immigration. Welcome to here. Yeah. Yeah, immigration. So it's it's it's it underlies a bigger problem, which is yeah, you can stop their world immigration.

4:13But guess what? Their kids could be radicalized by ISIS videos on the internet. There's going to be people online who are going to point out like this is a home grow. This isn't an immigration problem. It's a homegrown terrorism problem because they're they're U.S. citizens. Yeah, and that's I mean, there's seems to be indication that they these two young terrorists, budding terrorists were potentially radicalized abroad as well, trips to Turkey, trips to Saudi Arabia, which another funny instance here, trips to Melbourne, Australia, another known terrorist training ground. Yeah. Welcome to the brave new world where the West has been so islamified that you can now get radicalized in Melbourne, Australia. That's actually totally the case. If you talk to people in the Middle East, they'll say a lot of the most radical people are in the West. There are a lot there are a lot more radical Muslims in London or in Birmingham, I think, than there are in Dubai. Yeah. Well, it's interesting because you when you put a bunch of Muslims in a Western context,

5:15they instantly are infected with leftist ideology, which says that they're part of a systemically oppressive culture. And therefore they end up reacting even more stridently against the West because they just feel different. They feel like they're oppressed living in their own skin in the Western context and then they get radicalized even more so. So let's go through some of the details here. There's a substance known as TATP, which is enormously quote unquote volatile, is extremely powerful substance. It's become the ISIS explosive substance of choice 286. Fox News has learned of a disturbing development involving the type of explosive used in the attempted attack and just how dangerous it is. Let's bring in retired NYPD inspector Paul Moro, who has more information on this device that was found. So it was a homemade device, Paul, but not necessarily a cheesy one, in other words.

6:16No, not at all, John, and I have to tell you having done about 15 years work worth of this kind of work, counterterrorism work. This is a bit of a game changer. First of all, let me start by saying New York City got extremely lucky yesterday. TATP is enormously volatile. It is not very stable. It's extremely powerful. And as bombs, those IEDs are filled with nuts and bolts and very destructive elements. And basically when they go off, they're like dozens and dozens of bullets flying in every direction. This is a protester, a leftist protester who was there saying all immigrants are welcome. Everybody's there as this Islamist hooks the bomb over his head 285. We were going in race in New York, and we want everyone here to stay in New York. You don't get to come from outside and then tell everyone else. Just an incredible moment.

7:19Is there any captures? The alliance of the left really well. You have this middle-aged, you know, kindness is everything. I have the sign outside my house. Immigrants welcome, lecturing everyone, and then one of his pet terrorist immigrants jumps over his head and throws this bomb. And of course, importantly, we should know that he has not learned his lesson at all. No. A person who seems to be him on X had a tweet. I was in the middle of saying as a born and raised New Yorker, we welcome everyone into the city when he threw that over my head. And I still stand by it. As a born and raised in New Yorker, everyone is welcome. And then he goes after Jake Lang who was the gentleman that had organized the counter protest. Ironically, Lang is being described as a white supremacist, as a bigot, and Islamophob, and ABC is, this is literal news. He's the only person you're allowed to attack in all of this.

8:21When he didn't try to blow anyone up. They refer to the terrorist as an activist. ABC News right there. An activist. Meanwhile, they describe Lang as a white supremacist and as a bigot. All right. And then we have to get to this. We have enough time here. Mayor Mom Donnie does the meme at 258. On Saturday, a protest was held outside Gracie Mansion where I live with my wife Rama. Neither of us were home at the time. This was a vile protest rooted in white supremacy entitled Stop the Islamic Takeover of New York City. I'm the first Muslim mayor of our city. Anti-Muslim bigotry is nothing new to me. Nor is it anything new for the one million or so Muslim New Yorkers who know this city as our home. He did the meme. We'll explain that in a second. But yeah, so some Islam has tried to blow up a bunch of people in New York City, and he starts his speech with white supremacy bad.

9:24That's what it's come to. So we got to go through some of these headlines because this is, I think, one of the most symbolically important moments that I've seen recently of the situation that we find or some of course we have a conflict in Iran. But we are getting to the point as a country where you don't have to love what's going on in Iran. You don't have to have supported that effort. We're getting to the point where you can't actually conduct war with a Muslim country because you're going to have too many Islamists in the country that are going to try and bomb you. It is, it really is. And like people are going to cheer them on and make excuses for them. Let's just show the example here. Let's throw it up. It's 259. So this was a local NBC, the NBC New York outlet, multiple arrests made after suspicious devices found outside Gracie mansion during anti-Islam rally and counter protest. So the obvious implications here is that the protesters left these bombs

10:28and all, you know, the violent anti-Islamic demonstrators. Well, and the community note there for the whim, the bombs were thrown at the anti-Muslim protesters not by the anti-Muslim protesters as this post in story would lead you to believe. The witnesses say the attacker shot at Aloak Bar as they threw the bombs at the protesters. So thank you community notes, but it didn't stop the failed fake news media. This is another one, Axios, explosive, 269, explosive device thrown outside New York City mayor mom Donnie's residence. So all the headlines lead you to believe that somebody was coming after the mayor. No, these were Islamists attacking a protest against Islamification of America. So that is our moment. We have to, I mean, we have the, we have the meme here. This is the famous norm McDonald tweet. What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans,

11:28imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. And it was exactly, and it was pointed out today, like younger people probably, we basically lived through this alternate universe where we're told that 9-11 happened and it caused, you know, it probably caused a surge of Islamophobia. That's what mom Donnie was talking about. And it's all completely, his aunt was scared to write on the subway. It's all completely fake that what happened immediately as President Bush came out and took pains to say, this is not Islam. It's a tiny number of extremist actors. He's the one who popularized the phrase, Islam is a religion of peace that people make fun of a lot because it's not really true. And they endlessly push that. And on top of that, they massively increased the Muslim population of the United States by bringing them in as immigrants throughout the entire war on terrorism period as refugees, as that whole spiel where, you know, they were allies in the Middle East, so we had to bring them here. And we're seeing the outcomes here, who wants to bet those Afghan immigrants who came here about 15 years ago,

12:30they were probably here because, oh, they wanted to get out of the Islamic radicalism of Afghanistan, their lives were in danger, and they come here and they have a son who's an Islamic radical. That's happened over and over and over again. And it's going to keep happening over and over and over again. Yeah, especially when you have like the context, the backdrop, we can't escape it. This is a, we're in the 10th day of this conflict in Iran. Emotions are heightened, tensions are heightened, and they're sleeper cells. And maybe they're not organized, as you might think. Maybe they're not actual Iranian guard sleeper cells that have infiltrated the country. There's probably that too. But these kids were self radicalized. That's all it takes. It just takes a couple internet videos and an ideology and a feeling that they live in an oppressive system, egg done by leftists like the guy who had the bomb chucked over his head, that completely vindicates their victimization. That another way we've become vulnerable. Remember, for example, throughout the Biden administration, they repurposed the FBI and DHS

13:35to say the chief terror threat is white dudes who go to Latin mass. And so they wouldn't investigate this sort of thing. Just like they wouldn't, they wouldn't want to police the border. So anyone could come in over the border with Chinese espionage. They shut down their China espionage probe because too many of the people they were investigating were Chinese and felt kind of racist to do that. Felt really awkward. Yeah. And that's the decision we've made over and over and over again. That we intentionally lobotomized ourselves. We've intentionally made ourselves stupid to not notice the obvious, to not observe the obvious, to not think the obvious. And I think a lot of us might think, oh, well, we'll just avoid saying something because it's impolite, but everyone knows it. But for a lot of people, if you are not saying the obvious thing, they will stop thinking the obvious thing. In this case, the obvious thing being Islam as a religion has way more violent radicals than any other major religion. And when you welcome them into the West in huge numbers, this results in terrorist attacks that kill a lot of people.

14:38But even if they aren't killing a huge amount, they just totally distort life. Think about all of the public events where you have all of this security theater that you used to not need. Think about all these events where, oh, you have all these ballards and these vehicles everywhere to make sure that some vehicle can't drive in and kill a bunch of people. And then you go to a country that doesn't have this level of migration and they don't have those things because they don't need those things. Yeah. Well, and that's the sectarian violence that is ravaged the old world is now come to the new world by immigration. And it's something we didn't need to do. 276, though, this is one of the New York City terrorist home in Pennsylvania. It's a 1.8 million dollar five bedroom, four bath, 4700 square foot mansion. It's almost 4800. And yet these young men were still so radicalized and so put upon by a protest, which is the most American thing. You may not like what Mr. Lange was doing, the anti-Islam protest in New York City.

15:43But that is as American as apple pie and these foreigners come in and they throw bombs at them. And guess who the press defends? The bomb throwers, the Islamists. And they call Jake Lange a white supremacist and a bigot for doing exactly what the founders intended, which is to peacefully protest. But the foreigners didn't. Oh, but I guess they're not foreigners because they have a piece of paper. The million, the million two million dollar house says it all that you can welcome people into your country and basically give them everything. And they will still resent you. They will still hurt you. And a lot of people here will be happy to assist them. Hi folks, Andrew Colvet here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at YRIFI. You've probably been hearing me talk about YRIFI for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call.

16:43Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. YRIFI will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America. And we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. YRIFI can help. Just go to YRIFI.com. That's the letter Y, then RIFI.com. And remember, YRIFI doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to YRIFI.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. Welcome to the show, Gabriel Victor. It's a frontline TPSA photojournalist and Bo Alford. Frontlines TPSA reporter. Both of them were in New York City over the weekend. Gentlemen, I'm so glad that you're safe. Gabe, let's start with you.

17:43It's your first time I believe on the show. Yes, thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Thank you for making the time here. Tell us what you saw, how close were you to this incident? And lay out kind of the dynamic between the two sides. Yeah, of course. Well, so both of the sides, you know, the left to side specifically was already very rowdy and violent prior to the situation with the bomb there. But, you know, Bo and I were right next to each other. And we were what, I would say a couple yards away, a couple feet away, even from the incident happening. Yeah, you can see some of the footage there of them burning flags. They actually beat up another journalist after that flag burning happened. They chased him out, you know, saying that he was a Zionist yelling at him. They ended up punching him, kicking him down on the ground. Yeah, that's that footage right there. It was a very hostile environment to say the least.

18:44And it seemed like these people wanted nothing but trouble. And that's, you know, what ended up happening later with the Muslim who committed an act of terrorism. And thank God that bomb did not go off. Yes, seriously. Bo, give us your perspective of what happened. And do we know where these people came from? Were they New Yorkers? Did you get that vibe or were they shipped in from somewhere else and they're paid agitators? What, what could you surmise? Yeah, absolutely. I would start by saying these were not regular everyday protesters. These aren't people that are just coming in and holding signs. This is a lot more violent of a crowd actually. Texted my wife when I got there. I was like, honey, this is a little bit different. There's a lot of aggression. There's a lot of people getting hurt attacked and just, you know, say a prayer for me. I do believe that the antifa crowd did play a part in fueling this attack.

19:46They, they were just attacking anyone that they disagreed with. It was only God's grace that got us out untouched. Thankfully, we were not recognized or we probably would have been one of the people getting attacked as well. But yeah, when the bombing happened, we were, or the attempted bombing happened. We were probably 50, 20 to 30 feet away. And I was actually posting another video for getting everything in real time. And I just hear everyone screaming bomb and they're running away. I see the brave NYPD actually going into the scene and thankfully taking the man down. Cheers. So, so there was anti Muslim protesters on one side. And then there were, I guess pro Muslim protesters. I mean, what did it, did it seem like the pro Muslim or the counter protesters, however you want to describe them? Were they, was it mostly Muslims or was it mostly sort of just like kind of leftists?

20:50Antifa types? It was definitely like the antifa types. It was definitely some white New Yorkers. I would probably say a lot of that, you know, New Yorkers are very, they go hard in the paint. A lot of them are very aggressive when it comes to, you know, their beliefs. And it seemed like, you know, and Bo correct me if I'm wrong. But this is on par with Minneapolis, Antifa, when we really went in there and we saw, I mean, right as we got out of our Uber to show up to this event, there was a kid with a freedom shirt getting berated. And it was, it was instant. Like right as we showed up, we saw some kid get chased out. And I, it just gave me flashbacks to Minneapolis. Yeah, absolutely. These were white leftists that were coming here to kill Jake Lang. They were not exaggerating when I say that you could hear multiple of the member saying kill Jake Lang.

21:51They were doing everything they could to get to him. They were trying to cross the barricades when he ran away from the attempted bombing. The leftists then went to the other side to try and cut him off. They were doing everything in their power to kill him. What kind of role were police playing through all of this? Do you think they were mostly being helpful, preventing violence where they sort of useless? Give us a sense of how NYPD was behaving throughout this. The police were actually very helpful. I do have to say they as soon as something went down. If you saw someone getting attacked, they stepped in and they tried to stop it. They were actually getting very angry at multiple times and were chasing people down using profanities and trying to get them arrested. So they were, they were very helpful. Only thing I would say is they were a little bit too far away at times. Took them a little bit too long to get to the scene.

22:52But at the end of the day, I understand it. You have to let the two sides demonstrate. And you can't help it. Some of the leftist members are aggressive as they were. Yeah, this is probably the most helpful NYPD has ever been while we've been in New York. We've gone to a lot of common protests in New York. And they always are on the side of the Liberals, it seems. But you know, on that day, they were 100% trying to keep on order. And you know, a lot of those police officers are absolute patriots for what they did on that day. Like you said, Gabe, we're just lucky that those bombs didn't detonate. I mean, because that could have killed a lot of people. I mean, there, another question I have, though, is how old were the age of the protesters? Was it all over? Was it skewing younger, skewing older? Definitely younger, definitely on the younger side for this one. I know that some of them have, some of them were probably in their like later 20s.

23:53But a lot of them seem to be around that, you know, teenage to mid 20s range about the age of bow and eye. So any idea how they organized you're just assuming this is antifa networks? Yeah, I would say antifa networks. And I would also probably say Reddit. I don't have anything to verify that information. But I do see leftists gathering on Reddit in threads and in communities. That would be if I were a guessing man, that would be what I would say. I don't know if you have Gabe if you're going to chime in. I have a question though about Jake Lang and the sort of the protesters on that side. What, what were they doing? What were they saying? Were they instigating as well? Or were they just kind of, I mean, as far as I could tell, they were just in front of the Gracie mansion saying stop the Islamification of New York. Did they instigate anything? Definitely not at the event where antifa showed up.

24:53I mean, there were times do not give me wrong. You could say you're instigating when, you know, you're using a goat like he did the night before. That I would say is instigation. But during this event, no, I think that they were being very peaceful. And the people that were supporting Jake Lang, all they were doing was saying freedom. And, you know, just supporting American values. What happened with the goat the night before? If you can use PG language just in case. Yeah, he was pretending to have relations with a goat. The night before he pulled up in a U-Haul open the door. You know, he had an American flag and he was, he was basically mocking the Muslims. Which, you know, some may say it's funny, some may say it's crude. But that seems to be some, a lot of the stuff that the leftist the next day at the protest where the attempted bombing occurred.

25:56They were actually yelling that, you know, they were calling him names that I probably shouldn't say on the show. Got it. So you think the incident the night before could have been what maybe triggered some of the backlash. Do we know if, if that's where these young, I mean, the, it's crazy how young the would be terrorists. I guess they are terrorists. They tried. They, they're like 18 and 20, I believe, or 18 and 19. Both, both have parents that were naturalized from Middle Eastern countries, Afghanistan and Turkey. Is there any indication? Did you see those suspects around before they threw the IEDs or did they just kind of came out of nowhere? Yeah, not, not that we recognized at least. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. They were not someone that I recognized unless they were wearing masks before. Those were, they appeared to be individuals that came later in the protest, probably for that specific reason.

26:57Well, gentlemen, I'm just glad you're safe. That could have been really bad. I mean, we always are praying for you guys. Our TPSF frontlines team and, you know, it just thank God that those, but those bombs didn't detonate. That's all I can say. Thank you for your first downed count, gentlemen. Brave, brave guys here that are doing the Lord's word, capturing these, these protests and counter protests live on the street. So thank you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you. Imagine being a young woman just finding out that you're pregnant, not knowing where to go or what to do. Not even knowing exactly what is going on in your body. While the whole world tells her it's just a clump of cells, you and I, we both know the truth. We know it is a baby. And once she has an ultrasound that you provide and she sees the truth of the baby growing inside of her, you help her choose life. When you join us in providing ultrasounds with pre-born and she sees her baby and here's her baby's heartbeat,

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29:14Okay, so the way it works is their specialty license plates. You opt in to pay an additional $17 and then you get a special license plate that pays homage to the, in this case, yes, Charlie and turning point there for Charlie it says. And it's got the turning point logo and a picture of Charlie actually with this picture right behind us with his hand and fist raised the air. And so governor Hobbs decided not to allow this license plate again that would have been added to about 100 other causes that Arizona drivers could support. Yeah, there's there's a choose life license plate. There's firefighter license plate. There's a fiestable license plate. There's God bless America one. That's that actually what I have. There's an Alice Cooper one. There's a root 66 ones. There's a lot and by the way, so when you do this, it's a voluntary. This is not like taxpayer dollars are getting siphoned off the general fund and sent to turning point. It's a voluntary $17 contribution that would go to turning point just like when you do the other ones.

30:20They there's a small fee that gets sent to whatever cause you're celebrating. But instead of allowing turning point to be one of those hundred plus groups that you could do that in the state of Arizona for an organization that's based here in Arizona. Charlie decided to make Arizona's home. He worked his butt off for this state. Love this state. Every time we'd come back to Arizona. Charge. I love coming back. I love coming home. And this was his home. And this is where Erica's home is governor Hobbs vetoed it because she said. In America, we resolve our political differences at the ballot box. No matter who it targets, political violence puts us all in harm's way and damages are sacred democratic institutions. I will continue working towards solutions that bring people together. But this bill falls short of that standard by inserting politics into a function of government that should remain nonpartisan. Okay. Sure. I find this obviously highly offensive that a son of Arizona.

31:24Yeah, he came from Chicago, but this was the home he chose a son of Arizona who was murdered in cold blood. Taken down by political violence and assassination. The most public and tragic in a generation or more. And she has the goal to stop the legislature, stop the people of Arizona from honoring him in his legacy. Shame on you, governor Hobbs. I can't wait till Andy Biggs is our governor and we get to do it again. It's just it's just truly grotesque because if they had passed one to honor like. You know if there was some odious like borderline criminal person who got killed in Arizona and it became a left wing caused to lab and they passed that license plate. She would absolutely do it. But because we had a person on the right who was grotesquely murdered by someone on the left for his advocacy and someone just wanted to make a license plate that you could voluntarily pay for the right to use. And she vetoes it and the obvious answer is because she despises Charlie and deep down I suspect she's kind of glad he got shot.

32:32It's dark stuff. A lot of them are. Yeah. So of course she was going to veto it. We shouldn't be surprised at all because that's the type of person. Yeah. Can you imagine if George Floyd was in Arizona? Exactly. That's what it was like. George Floyd would have got a license plate. Yeah. Hobbs would have signed that. And I think you're right. I think deep down she despises Charlie and she may very well be happy that what happened. I mean, I don't put anything past these degenerate people. It's just it's inexcusably cruel to veto that that bill. So shame on you governor Hobbs and yeah, just disgusting. But let's get to James Tolerico. Alrighty. So we have this is not even so much about James Tolerico. It's an opportunity to beat up on David French. By the way, that's that's Blake's favorite pastime. Yes. Indeed. So I believe Charlie only met David French one. I was with it. And it was it was pretty respect. It was it. And our B. So a national religious broadcasters event. We were on the expo floor just walking the floor. And there comes David French.

33:32And it was respectful. It was. And then I talked to David French after for a little while. He's a very effeminate man in person. I believe it. But he has this appalling bit that he ran over the weekend. He's now a New York Times opinion columnist, which is fulfilling his dreams. And it was titled James Tolerico is a Christian X-ray. And unfortunately, I can't I'm not a New York Times subscriber. And I can't get the whole article the load right now in my. But what's the jet paywall bypasser? But it was basically that James Tolerico is one of the few openly Christian politicians in the United States who acts like a Christian and by acting like a Christian. He reveals a profound contrast with so many members of the mega Christian movement that has dominated political life for 10 years. And he goes off on a bit where he he does this whole thing on OK, you know, there's Christian orthodoxy, which is, you know, right, right beliefs. But we don't put enough emphasis on I believe he called it orthocardia. I don't even know if that's real word, but it basically means right heart. And so he says that James Tolerico has the right heart that he has he has the fruits of the spirit

34:34actually is what he says that you see Tolerico and he's so obviously kind and loving and Christian. And he basically just I don't think he literally says it. But the clear message is James Tolerico is the best Christian in American politics right now. And that's really galling to me because OK, if he was just a left wing social Democrat, like if he said, oh, I disagree with my party on a lot of things, but like I have to be on the left for, you know, you've seen the reasons. I would be extremely disappointed, but I'd vaguely get it. But there's something really unsettling with Tolerico. Tolerico is a true left wing zealot. And the fact that he dresses up, dress it up in Christianity is what makes him more sinister, not less sinister that he goes to the Bible and says actually the Bible, the text of the Bible says that we need abortion and we can't restrict it. The text of the Bible is why I believe it's good for us to mutilate children because of some fat. The text of the Bible is why I think I believe what do you say white people are a virus?

35:34No, we carry a virus that the white race as a cast carries this virus that they infect the world with. Here's a new little James Tolerico video that Brandon Gill unearthed, 295. Something that you love that's not family or friends. I love, I'm just saying this because it's on my mind. The trans children who showed up yesterday at the state capital to advocate for their humanity. They shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch. Who do you love that's not your friends or family? And we love trans children. That's why we don't want them to be literally irreversibly messed up. That's not what he said. And yeah, that's definitely not what he's saying. And it says a lot that there's a type of Christian out there, David French, who thinks that that's the most Christian guy we have in politics right now. Hi folks, Andrew Colvet here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at YRIFI. You've probably been hearing me talk about YRIFI for some time now.

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37:36He also does, I believe, a show with Rich Barris, another good friend of the show. Robert, welcome back. Yeah, glad to be here. Great to see you. You have emerged as a very strident voice online political commentator that is not in favor of the strikes that are happening in Iran. Why don't you give us your perspective? Because you are a Maga guy in a lot of ways. You have been part of this coalition, big supporter of the president, but you are not in support of this war. It's important that we hear this side of the argument. What is your perspective on it and why are you against it? So I see it as a threefold approach. One is the domestic political risk that it poses to the Trump 2024 coalition. Going forward in terms of political capital to get things done on the hill, but also in terms of the midterms and ultimately 2028. The second area of concern is geopolitical.

38:36And there is how likely are we able to achieve an objective that would be favorable to American interest and would be perceived as favorable to American interest going forward. And then third is whether or not this is a use of our military that is constitutional, that is clearly legal and lawful and that won't put our men and women in an undue risk of harm for an achievable objective. So from the domestic political side, I just think it fractures the Trump 2024 base. It shrinks Maga more and more people are not identifying as Maga. That's why you can get, I think Richard Barris calls people's pundit, calls it purification through subtraction. So Trump may look at it and say, oh, I have 90 percent support, but it's of a shrinking base. That's not a good situation to be in politically in terms of domestic political capital to get things done on the hill, but also in terms of the midterms. And there was a big part of his base that was anti-war.

39:36There was another part of his base that's libertarian that leans non-intervention. Since 2015, he's campaigned very effectively as the peace president, the anti-war candidate. This undermines and sabotages that entire public perception and thereby impairs his coalition from an electoral perspective and political capital. Though it's the degree to which he has seen his unpopular on the hill, limits his ability to get things done legislatively. But then you go to the geopolitics of it and it's for all the reasons and the military side of it that Charlie identified last year. That you dig into this, it's unlikely that a regime, we can attain a peaceful, free, Iranian society and government through bombing them into such an agreement. And so as he pointed out that the Shia are built on a culture of suffering, the Charlie was very good at developing strategic empathy. And people sometimes confuse that with sympathy. You don't sympathize with the Iranian regime.

40:37You can strategically empathize with it so that you understand it. And if you understand the culture and the people and the people in power but also the people that could contest or challenge that power, then you have a sense of how probable or likely a sequence of events are using military or martial means. And what Charlie identified is that they have the means to militarily resist in ways that we cannot completely suppress, that they're unlikely to change their regime because the part of the Shia is a lot of me, Charlie, love to study religions around the world and understand what motivated people around the world. But the Shia Islam religion is built on martyrdom. It's built on suffering. It's built on sacrifice. That's why the Ayatollah was happy to be martyred at the beginning of this conflict. And he's now been replaced by his son. His son, this is one of the points Charlie made, that you got to look at who is likely to replace the existing regime. And there you look at who is likely to replace him. Well, it's more hardliners, people that are more likely to acquire new clear weapons rather than less.

41:38More likely to be anti-US and anti-Israel than less. The new Ayatollah, the Americans and the Israelis, kill his father, kill his mother, kill his wife, kill his son, and kill his niece, when you're old niece. So what's the likelihood he's going to be really pro-American? Unlikely, he's known as a more of a hardliner, etc. So then you have the, so that's, you know, scenario number one is that it's unlikely to achieve a peaceful, free democratic pro-Israel pro-US regime. So why are we risking American resources? Why are we risking American men and women? Why are we risking Trump's domestic political coalition in its political cap? Yeah, and I guess I feel like there's a lot of disagreement over how much of, how much it is splitting the coalition, because you can produce polls that say support for the war among GOP voters is very high. I've seen those, but I think, I think people are missing is that this matters the most with that sort of, that marginal, maybe that last 10% of the Trump coalition,

42:39to where he was winning all the swing states, where he was winning the popular vote. It was the people where that, oh, peace president, no new war, that stuff appealed to them a lot more. And I think that a lot, when people just grew up, they're missing that, that's the group that, and they're also the most marginal, they were less least likely to respond to polls, and they're more detached, they maybe weren't voting in other elections. And young people. And young people, exactly. And young people, so I, Robert, you and I talked on the phone, and I had, we had these students from Rutgers and Appalachian State, and we asked them, what do young Trump voters think of this? And here was their answers, 306 copies. So are you seeing protests? Are you seeing our people gathering in the square, in the quad? What kind of activities are you seeing this manifest in? I'm mostly seeing things through online platforms, people on Instagram or Twitter, just, you know, really going in at President Trump,

43:41and being upset that, you know, gas prices might go up, and forever war, like people really, really do not want boots on the ground in this circumstance. Are you seeing that even from people that you know voted for Trump? In 2024? Or is it more, is it still mostly from people you know would be left-wing regardless? I think the idea of starting a new foreign war is really, even for Trump voters, really deterring people from wanting to align with the administration and their actions. So even amongst Trump voters, and then with the other gal that was on said the same thing at her university. So the youth vote came plus 13% in our direction, which is a huge swing, historic swing. And this seems to indicate that we are in jeopardy, if not already before that, with some of the Epstein stuff, the Midnight Hammer stuff, of alienating those new additions to the coalition already.

44:42Yeah, exactly to your point. I mean, you guys would be on top of it more than others. I remember watching that the live, the young generation, the new mega part of the coalition. A lot of them were African American male voters, Hispanic voters, and young people disproportionately millenials and zoomers that joined the Trump coalition in 2024 that weren't part of it before, that boosted us from, you know, being minus four to plus one in the national vote, that allowed for the sweep of the swing states, that allowed for some coattails in the House and the Senate to have the House and the Senate. So that's what's at danger of losing. Young voters do not support this conflict. They don't want us involved in foreign conflicts, period. So the sooner the president can bring us home, the better. Similar, and then the other vote is the historic 80 war vote, disproportionately in rural and working class areas in the industrial and rural Midwest, and amongst Hispanic voters in the Southwest, which we're bleeding out badly as we saw in the Texas primary results, and then the libertarian vote. And it's just, you can't cut off this many parts of your coalition and survive.

45:42We set out the stakes here. Politically, this is fraught. I think Blake and I were talking earlier this morning. The longer this drags on, the more fraught it becomes. The more there is an oil supply shock, then it's going to become even more painful, right? Oil was up at like I think $110. It's come back down under hundreds and last time I checked it. But it's no doubt. This has political ramifications. I think Matt Walsh was the one who said it, that if we, you know, bombed Iran, and we achieved our mission objective there, and yet we lost the presidency or the midterms, it wouldn't be worth it to him. Okay, this is a series of impossible decisions. What needs to happen and how quickly Robert Barnes for this to come out as good as it possibly could be? Yeah, I think the first part is, you know, declare victory in leaf. The president did that with the hoodies when we didn't quite achieve the original objective, but he realized that it was unlikely to be achieved.

46:44So he's just declared victory in left. Vice President Vance has been giving the president an off ramp all the way through. Say, look, the real focus of this was always about nuclear weapons, not about regime change, not about dictating to Iran its next supreme leader, not about any of the things that other people like Lindsey Graham want to drag the president into doing. One thing I would recommend is just have Lindsey Graham off the air, him running around saying, let's go. Robert, I keep saying the exact same thing. If you follow me on X, I've just been like, get this guy away from the freaking microphone for the love. He's like frothing at the mouth. He's like, anyways, continue. I cut you off, please. Yeah, and you know, to remind people out there, you know, Charlie said if we did anything, we needed to feed Lindsey Graham in the primary. He got two good candidates running there, Mark Lynch and Paul Danes. So I highly recommend that whichever candidate you like, but just we don't have Lindsey Graham out of there. He's a walking, talking disaster PR-wise for the president, but also policy-wise. So I think, you know, take JD Manza's recommended,

47:45the declare victory, say, the apparently we hit several of the last remaining nuclear enrichment facilities, including the Newlands. He took out the Ayatola, declare victory and go home, and get out as quickly as you can. Because the longer this drags on, as you know, the more political risk develops in the US, and the more geopolitical risk comes about in the Middle East. You know, if they start hitting desalination plants, if they start, keep the streets of Hormuz closed, not only does oil and gas, natural gas prices spike, but also you could have a drought in a food crisis throughout the Gulf States, because they depend many of them for the streets of Hormuz to get access to their food. So the people forget, you know, that it's all desert there in the Gulf States. So that's why they rely on desalination plants, including Israel does. I think it's in Israel's best interest that we get out of this quicker rather than later. Because if Iran really thinks they're under existential threat, we don't want to know what they might do. They might hit everything. They might hit all the oil gas refinery places.

48:45They might hit all the desalination plants. They might hit the nuclear reactors. Yeah, I don't mean to cut you off again, but Blake was bringing up a point. Apparently that was the one line Lindsey Graham wasn't prepared to cross. Please don't blow up all of their oil stuff. Like they're going to need that after the war is over. So even Lindsey Graham was chastising Israel for going after the refineries. But yes, continue. Exactly. So essentially there's just lots of exponential geopolitical risks that this could get out of hand really fast. What if Israel feels their under existential threat that they use nuclear weapons? Pakistan has said if they use nuclear weapons, Pakistan will use nuclear weapons. So this is just, you know, the Middle East is a place that can quickly and easily is Charlie repeatedly reminded people get out of control. You might have the bet. And the temptation of any president is to double down. Don't Trump has always been brilliant in recognizing I'm in trouble time to get out. You know, people forget the Sun Zoo principle, which is when the enemy is stronger, you retreat. You don't walk into a trap that gets you mired down.

49:47That's the mistake George W Bush made. That's the mistake past politicians have made. So Robert, just to play devil's advocate here though, you know, president Trump has said he doesn't like the new Ayatollah. Not happy with that. He said he wants to be involved in the selection of the next leader. Somebody that will be friendly with America. And he also said that, you know, essentially he believes he needs to finish the job because he doesn't trust future presidents to, you know, that they will do the right thing in the future. He said, I don't want to be fighting them and come back in five years or in ten years. Gotta get it done the right way now. How do you balance those two things, still declare political in a military victory? I think the great gift of Trump is that he can declare victory even when it's not apparent that by his own standards, he got it. That he, he's a brilliant salesman. He's always been a brilliant salesman. So my advice to president is just sell it. I think America people will be happy with that. Say, look, we took out the regime that caused a lot of harm. We took out all their nuclear capacity.

50:47And on that basis, we'll be satisfied for now. And then try to re-enter, I think it'll be tricky to re-enter negotiations, but try to. I think otherwise, I just look as a risk-reward ratio. What's the probability you get that reward of a peaceful, free democratic Iran governed by someone other than the Supreme Leader that is not driven by, as she is Islamic beliefs, structure versus what risk do you have to incur to try to get that reward? I think the chance of that reward is low. The Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard reported that it was not likely to occur that military means could achieve regime chains that can really only happen with a complete cultural shift amongst the Iranian population, in particular, the Islamic population. And so that's part, what is, how do you assess the probability of obtaining that objective? And then what risk are you accruing? You're basically, as Matt Walsh pointed out, even if he could obtain that reward, is it worth sacrificing the entire Trump OG MAGA 2024 coalition?

51:51Is it worth sacrificing the populist conservative re-alignment back to America's constitutional republic and religious roots? Is it worth risking the Save Act? Is it worth risking all of his domestic policy agenda? Is it worth risking being impeached in 2027 with a democratic house and a democratic Senate? My own view is I don't assess the reward probability is high, and I assess the risk probabilities very high. And so I think the risk-reward way out that ratio, I think it's the best interest of the president, maybe down the road you can pursue that, but now is at the time given the risk that's accruing and the reward seems distant. And I think if he shifts back to a domestic agenda, 1776 Law Center, we did a nationwide survey, you know, get rid of all these immunity for big pharma and these big ag and big companies, and government actors when they violate people's civil rights and civil liberties, you know, imposed tariffs, but take away the individual income tax on 95% of American households. That was popular even with some Democrats. There's all these popular populist policies he can pursue and enforce in an act if he's not distracted or detoured by a foreign war.

52:58So I think when you weigh the risk-reward ratio, I think it favors the president finding an exit ramp as quickly and expeditiously as he can so he can shift back to the domestic agenda that can restore the coalition and at least mitigate the harm that's coming in the midterms. Robert Barnes, well said. Great perspective. Thank you, sir. We'll have you on again soon. The online world moves fast and it's moving even faster these days. That's why TikTok approaches teen safety with families in mind from the start. Because discovery and creativity are both wonderful things, but it's important to make sure that safety comes first as well. On TikTok, teenagers have over 50 built-in protections right from when they join. Accounts or teens all start private by default. They're not open to the entire world. And for those under 16, direct messages are turned off. Only their friends can comment on their videos. And that kind of approach matters because feeling confident and comfortable about these platforms your teenagers are on shouldn't mean digging through a bunch of menus and trying to set everything up yourself and worrying that you got it wrong.

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55:06It was secretly done so that Maricopa County wouldn't know, but the Senate is confirming today that they did in fact turn over election data from many elections going back to at least 2020 and through 2024. This is the second major metropolitan area where there's always been questions about voting integrity. Now to be targeted by the FBI. It's a really big moment, very different tactics. Voting County, very high profile. Search warrant in a raid. This one more Serif Titus behind the scenes. Grand jury subpoena going to a third party that had custody of the Maricopa County election data. So this is 2024 not 2020 or even 2022. I think they go all the way back to 2020 2020 2022 and 2024. That's what my sources are telling me so they're looking at a broad swath of election counting might even go back before 2020. But I'm certain of 2020 2022 in 2024. It's a very large amount of data.

56:06Was there a inciting incident here? Was there something that triggered the grand jury in the first place? So a few weeks ago or actually a couple of few months ago, Congressman Abe Hammond, he wrote a very important letter saying, hey congressional monitors that were sent from the House Administration Committee back in 2024 went and visited a warehouse and they saw some unusual commingling or what they thought was unusual commingling of unused balance, blank ballots. And filled out balance balance that people had voted with these are all paper because Arizona's predominantly paper voting state that report got flagged by multiple people the FBI looked at it thought it was unusual. And that began a look at Maricopa County and now because of the nature of data that the Arizona Senate had, they get a large swath that goes back many years at least to 2020. I bet it goes back even before that. And I think what you know if you go back and you look at the clips is that Maricopa County's had lots of problems with trust and competence for a long time.

57:11In the early 2000s, it was the Democrats who were complaining about it then starting in 20, President Trump and a Pomade and Kerry Lake and others raised concerns. But there's been basically a decade or two of concern about Maricopa County vote counting vote procedures. And the FBI now is diving in and the important thing here to understand is while state law and state legislatures set the rules for election. That's what the Constitution allows for if a state or a county or a election locality doesn't follow the state law in the administration of a federal election, it can become a federal crime. I saw in the Fulton County search warrant after David, that is the predicate at least for Georgia that the FBI is using to do the criminal investigation there. So you have said that this is the second kind of shoot a drop, but there's more that we should expect to be coming down the pipe. I think that's right based on what I've heard from my sources, both in the Justice Department, the FBI and in the election community.

58:16There are some other states where there have always been questions about ballots and counting and roll changes. And I think the as comprehensive as you've seen, Harmeet Dylan go after the dirty voter rolls and try to force to clean up of those dirty voter rolls, I think up to 28 states that have some sort of compelled action from the Justice Department. I think the FBI is doing something similar, taking a look at some places where there's enough evidence to suggest that maybe the state laws weren't being followed. Or there was chaos or incompetence or maybe some nefarious behavior. I think other states will follow. I'm told that they're looking at at least five locations. I don't know the other three yet. I could make some guesses, but I think at the end of the day, Maricopa is round two. But I do think there'll be around three, four and five somewhere else in the country before this is all done. I mean, I hate to make you speculate here, but I bet Blake could pick three other cities. I bet he could. He knows a better than I.

59:16I'm just going to suggest here, Blake with check my math here, Milwaukee. We had a real close Senate election in 2024 that one of those late night flips with Hobdie, Hobdie. And then we have Detroit, those classic images from 2020, then putting up the cardboard and then Philadelphia. Those are three really good guesses based on what we. Yeah, and let's remember as a couple other little pieces here that aren't well known by every day Americans. But in Michigan, the FBI received evidence from the Michigan State Police in the late 2020 that they had found this voter mill. Well, what they basically called a ballot mill up in Muskegon, I believe it was. And the Michigan State Police believe it was one of seven locations around the country where these things were going on. And they believe they found fake registration data and fake voter ballot requests there. And they refer to the FBI. Unfortunately, the Chris Ray FBI doesn't appear to have very aggressively investigated that.

1:00:19But I think that the Michigan makes a lot of sense because the FBI has some prior documentation that came in from Michigan State Police. Has Patel recently found that data. And I know his team are looking at that right now. So, John, am I right to presume that sometimes there you may not get actual evidence of outright voter fraud, but they're moving in on sort of process crimes, right? So they where there's fire, they're kind of they're finding what they can charge these local officials with. Yeah, I think and again, I don't think they're there to say let's find we have a name. Let's hang a charge on it. That's what the Democrats did to Donald Trump. I think what they're looking at is, hey, enough people provide it visual or paper evidence that the rules weren't followed in the state. And it turns out that that's a federal crime. And if it was intentional, meaning if someone intentionally didn't follow the rules, they knew what they were doing was wrong. And they just simply didn't follow it that people can be prosecuted under, I think it's section 152 of the federal statutes. And so, that's what the FBI agent in the affidavit described. And so, you see places where, listen, in Wisconsin, we all know that after the fact, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled that one of the changes they made for COVID voting wasn't lawful.

1:01:32Well, that's a pretty significant decision that was made by people, the Wisconsin Election Commission and others. Does that constitute a federal crime? Those are the sort of things that could potentially be examined in an investigation like this. Really good reporting here, John. Excellent stuff. I'm very much looking forward to seeing what other jurisdictions are going to be rated or grand juries, whatever. You also have mentioned that this FBI Arctic Frost, right, they targeted Turning Point USA, you can throw up 251, 251 and 247, these images right here. FBI Arctic Frost Probe targeted nearly 100 GOP groups, including Charlie Kirk's TPSA, looks like Tyler Boyer specifically was targeted, surveilled. You have, I don't know, hinted that there could be another sort of anti-Trump intel op that is uncovered this week. Can you tell us more?

1:02:32Yeah, I think so. We're in the final stages of just finishing that up. But I think what you're going to see is the first targeting of President Trump was in the summer of 16. That's Crossfire Hurricane. That's the fake Russia collusion story. The last was Arctic Frost. That's the one that Cash Patel discovered. In between, there were two in the middle. One of them is now known. It's the one that targeted Cash Patel on Suzy Wiles phone records recently. We learned about that. And that is focused on the classified records case, but it was a counterintelligence case that was opened up. But there is another one that's opened up in that same time frame, maybe a little bit earlier. As Crossfire Hurricane is coming to an end. And before the classified documents case began, they basically targeted the President a fourth time. So there will be four counterintelligence investigations in which the FBI treated President Trump as a national security threat. Nearly the entire time of his political career, we're going to lay all those out in the next 24, 48 hours.

1:03:33You said this could be the most troubling. Can you shed any more light on that? I think because part of the predicate or part of the rationale for what constituted the national security threat was what words you used to talk about Hunter Biden and Ukraine. Think about that. Speech may have been a delimiter for determining whether you were treated as a national security threat. And I think that investigation falls in that timeframe, but we're also going to be seeing the origins of a disinformation board and then that massive amount of censorship that we saw some of it in Europe, paid by the United States would then come back and censor Americans. Some of it outright occurring on US soil, Charlie and I and many others were targeted in that censorship realm as well. I think that the fact that it went beyond censorship and maybe treated someone just because of what they said about Hunter Biden or COVID or whatever that they could be deemed a national security threat worthy of being investigated by the FBI is a very concerning thing.

1:04:35And I think that that's where this fourth operation likely lands. I'm Solomon, just the news, check him out, check out a show on real America's voice as well. Thank you for this great, great work, John. Yeah, good to be with you guys. Thanks so much. Alright, we'll talk to you soon. Hi folks, Andrew Colvet here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at YRIFI. You've probably been hearing me talk about YRIFI for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. YRIFI will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. YRIFI can help.

1:05:35Just go to YRIFI.com. That's the letter Y, then RIFI.com. And remember, YRIFI doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to YRIFI.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you. Alright Blake, there's a bunch of doomers. There's a lot of doomers. We wanted to get this. We have some good news. This is the thing that's going to get really frustrating over the months to come. Because there's a lot of people who are going to see the conflict with Iran as an excuse to maximally doomer. They want to pout either because they find it emotionally satisfying to complain and pout. Or because they see it as a chance to win some sort of internal struggle within the right. So they'll either think, oh, we can turf out the mega people because Trump's poll numbers will go on. Or we can turf out the more interventionist people because we think this war will go bad. There's going to be a lot of that. And it's going to be very important to keep fighting for this cause because a lot of good stuff is happening.

1:06:38Stuff that's not always in the headlines. And as an example, something we were celebrating over the weekend, this is great because it was reported by various outlets as a negative thing. Where international student visas went down much more than expected worse than we thought. Because America's colleges have gotten hooked on foreign students bringing in infinity Indians, infinity Chinese, infinity Arabians. Why did they do this? They do it for a variety of reasons. One is at a lot of state schools, they'll pay full freight tuition. So this can fill in holes in their budget. A lot of grad students they bring in because these schools to save money pay their grad grad students and STEM subjects are generally paid. They're not paying tuition. And they don't want to pay them too much. So someone who's coming to the US from abroad will work for a lot less money, both because they're from a poor country. And because they can use this to get a green card into the United States. And that's effectively a form of compensation. And American can't get.

1:07:38So we've gotten totally hooked on foreign students. It's hollowing out America, especially in skilled fields. We've gotten totally hooked on, oh, we need foreign computer programmers. We need foreign physicists, foreign everything. And Americans are losing the ability to do these things. And then we become more hooked to the number. Anyway, visa issuances for foreign students went down 36% last year in the Trump administration. According to Chronicle of Higher Education's analysis of the Department of State data, this is what's interesting. So this is 97,000, 100,000 fewer student visas were awarded. Technically, that's a 17% overall decrease in international student enrollments, which is big. Actually, for one year, just from a, they're just doing this kind of behind the scenes, that no laws have changed. I like this. Maybe different regulations have changed. On EFI Institute, or I'm looking right now, it says economic implications for colleges are significant. Good. Yes. Good. Stop paying bloated administrative salaries.

1:08:38Stop adding admin roles. By the way, when you look at the ratio over the years between students and administrative faculty, we're not talking professors. Yeah. We're talking admins. The ratio has skyrocketed. The number of people that, you know, they have their gym, you know, their gym yoga class leaders that are part of the package. You have the community managers. You have the sheer number of psychiatrists and their mental and professional diversities are. Well, and here's the thing. This is what's great. India, the top sender of students to the United States. Hear me out again. Because we were talking about H1Bs and everyone wants to get rid of India. I'm on that track. But this is this is key. India, the top sender of students to the United States on a specially steep decline. American consulates there issued only about 22,000 student visas over the summer. A drop of more than 60%. So yet, we haven't fixed all of it.

1:09:39But 60% drop in student visas to India. That is significant. That is significant. And to Blake's point, why? Because you're making room for actual American born talent to take those spots. Especially when it comes to STEM. So a lot of people understand the psychology of this. If you're, say you're like a white kid from Tulsa. And you want to go get a STEM degree somewhere. And you apply and you go into the introductory course. And you do these, they do sort of like come get to know your faculty. If you're thinking about this major or whatever. And you go in. You got this white kid from Tulsa who goes in and guess what it is? All Chinese and Indians. And you're like the one kid from America. And what are you, what are you going to think psychologically about? They're like screw that. I'm going to go to finance. And so we lose the ability to do really important work. And that's key. Because then we get hooked on foreign talent. Totally hooked. And then we've often had, we've had foreign born scientists end up in sensitive defense stuff.

1:10:43Because we're like well, we have no one else who can fill these jobs. Or we're just totally blasey about the risk that having foreign originate people in sensitive defense stuff goes. And then they leak stuff to China endlessly has happened where we have Chinese scientists in sensitive areas. Or again, those Chinese graduate students, we do so much defense work at universities with professors. And who are elites in whatever their field is. And they'll have Chinese graduate students. And they'll say, oh, we're keeping them away from the most sensitive stuff. But they're not away enough. They'll end up. Well, there's a new report, by the way, that DOJ just showed that over 30,000 visits during the Biden administration from Chinese, Russian, and Iranian officials to sensitive laboratories doing research in the next day. It's not a problem that China has, for example, that they, we've gotten so hooked. It's functionally impossible for us to do work that we think America should be able to do without an endless inflow of people from abroad. And some of those people are useful. Some of those people are necessary.

1:11:45But not as many as we've gotten used to. And not to the extent where it's worth hollowing out native born Americans ability to do key work. So that's a white pill for you. It's important to flag these. We're going to keep doing it. Yep. Because we can't let people use this conflict in Iran or anything else to black pill us out of keeping this administration going. Well, it's doing important stuff that no other administration would do that is helping America in the long term. And that's happening on immigration. It's happening on the border. It's happening on regulation. It's happening in a lot of areas. Western hemispheric dominance. But yeah, there's a week. I call them the burn it all down people. There are, there is a whole string of thought online that wants to completely sabotage the Trump administration because they aren't perfectly good. Some people find it more fun to burn everything down than to build. In fact, most people find it that way. That's why building is hard and why it's necessary.

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