The Money Behind The Left’s ‘No Kings’ Movement

0:00And we are back with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kiddell, Senior Elections Correspondent at the Federalist and your Experienced Sherpa. Today's Quest for Knowledge. As always, you can email the show at RadioAtTheFederalist.com, follow us on X at FDR LST, make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and of course to the premium version of our website as well. Our guest today is Parker Thayer, Investigative Researcher at Capital Research Center, the folks that bring you influence watch, the trackers of the nonprofit organizations across the country, across the globe, and what they do,

1:05and who funds them on that line, who's behind the political theater of no kings, and isn't working. Parker, thank you so much for joining us in this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. Oh, it's good to be back, Matt. Always glad to have you along with us here as we break down where the money is coming from, where it's going, and so many places involved. Oh, yeah, so many places indeed. Before we get started, though, on today's Quest for Knowledge, I did want to recognize an individual. I had an opportunity to talk to over the weekend in Phoenix, Arizona, late last week, I should say a very nice gentleman, if he's listening in today, he said he and his son tune in, dutifully, to the Federalist Radio Hour, and they always consider themselves to be Sherpas, Experienced Sherpas as well. It's always good

2:09to have an Experienced Sherpa along with us. And I think Parker Thayer is that Experienced Sherpa, when it comes to tracking these non-profits, so let's begin with what we saw over the weekend, of course, what the accomplice media pandered to, the big crowds of no kings, the Democrat politicians across the country who turned out for this political theater. Who is really behind this, Parker? Let's begin there. That is a great question. I like to number them as if they're movies. I think we're on like no kings five, six. There seem to be as many of them as they're our fast and furious movies. That's right. So no kings is a complicated question. When you're talking about funding flows, traditionally, when you see protests happening, it's usually in one place, maybe some group

3:13wants the university that they're at to divest from fossil fuels or something like that. And so they go and they march around one location with one clear goal. No kings has no clear goal. They don't like kings, and they all protest about it. Except ironically, one of the things that they protest mainly over, especially this past weekend, was the removal of kings. They have kind of morphed into this anti-war movement. There's not even necessarily an indication that the US is involved in a war right now, but that point is neither here nor there. One of the things that they don't like is that we have removed Maduro, who was essentially the king of Venezuela, and that we blew up Kamani, who was essentially the king of Iran. They don't like that we blew up these kings. They're against kings, except when we remove them. But the goal of no kings is very vague. It is mostly a protest movement of being non-conservative and against Donald Trump. Those are about the two

4:18most clear goals of no kings. And since it's so wide in scope and wide in location, no kings protests happen all over the country, there's not a very clear, you know, this group was behind the protest. But in the case of no kings, I think the most clear group behind it is a group called Indivisible. Indivisible is a kind of a professional organizing group. It's one of the members of what you might call the protest industrial complex. I've seen some people call it. I usually call it megaphone philanthropy, which is there are it's a nonprofit group has 501c3 status. Indivisible civics is the official legal name of it, although they also have a dark money quote dark money 501c4 that they operate alongside. And I think they also have PAC divisions, which is political action committee. So it's a network, but it is essentially one nonprofit. It's run by a lady by the name

5:21of Leah Greenberg. I think there's also they have a decent side staff, but these are all professional organizers as relevant as another name you might remember or recognize who is running Indivisible. And what Indivisible is doing is they're not really running the protests. They are in that they're setting you know they're they are working with people on the ground to set up you know locations and times and maybe conduct trainings with one or two people to actually run these protests and you know kind of shepherd the protesters around. But in a lot of ways no kings is kind of an amalgamation of all of the left leaning activism groups in the country kind of all screaming and rage all at the same time. No kings works with a coalition of I think hundreds of different nonprofit and some for-profit and some PAC organizations that are have you know combined

6:23I think Fox News just reported the other day, Asura Nomani reported that there's a coalition of 500 groups behind this with something like billions in revenues. Now is all of that revenue going to no kings? Definitely not. But the scope of that of the network of groups that's behind no kings makes it very hard to actually trace what is and isn't funding for no kings. It can be confusing for the person who's not you know plugged into money and politics in this way. So it is run by indivisible but there's dozens hundreds of groups involved with it and essentially there are the professional organizers who work for these groups who make a living in megaphone 3D or the protest industrial complex whatever you want to call it. And then as we saw from this weekend and as we've seen it no kings protest repeatedly. There's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm.

7:25Most of the people showing up to this protest are how to put this delicately. Well let's not put it delicately. They're old. They're really old. Right. Most of them are most of them are baby boomers and who don't seem to have like to quote from an officer in a gentleman. They have no place else to go and this seems to be it. Let's delve into to that a little bit more. But to me I would define this movement and these protest as a gathering of the profoundly mentally ill. A lot of these folks, most of these folks some are just really truly are paid to be there in protest. They don't really have a dog in the fight other than they're caching a check at the end of the day. But that said this is just a mass concentration of Trump derangement syndrome. A group of people that really don't understand

8:32what a constitutional republic is. And as you mentioned before, they're people who really don't understand what a king is. Yes. They're opposed to it but they don't really understand it and when we removed two actual, as close to actual kings as you can get, they didn't like it at all. As you mentioned, the average age of these protests is like 60. For example, everyone remembers the summer of love quote in 2020, horrible time to be in America. Things were not safe. There were protests that seemed like every other day and these protests were mostly populated by young people, angry young people. That was who was at these protests. The angry young people aren't angry anymore. They seem to be actually relatively content. They're not showing up to these demonstrations in nearly the same way or the same numbers. There's no, these no kings protests

9:37aren't evolving into riots. For the most part, I think there are a few rare exceptions in these cases, which is good. Not to get me wrong. That's good. But I think the left probably would prefer that there were more riots. They seem to historically, they like the tactic of the riot. They don't seem to be able to marshal those forces into the field anymore. It's because they have, as I mentioned, there's no enthusiasm for these protests. It is very much astroturf and they rely upon, essentially, people who don't have anything better to do. You and I, we don't really understand and lots of people in the conservative movement see these large protests and they say, clearly these protesters must be being paid and some of them are. I don't want to give any, mostly there is a massive industry for paying people to organize and show up the protests. That's a huge industry. But most of the people at the no kings protest simply have nothing better to do and people in the conservative movement often have jobs to go to. They have important things to do. They have families to raise. The people at the no kings protest visually you can see. They don't

10:41have any of those things going on. There's a lot of mental illness among the young people who are showing up and there's a lot of nothing better to do among the older people who are showing up and indivisible civics and the nonprofit networks that are kind of orchestrating the whole thing and providing the small amounts of funding here and there around the country that are needed to make these things happen. They're more than willing to cash in on whatever amount of enthusiasm they can as small as it is. You end up with this huge, for lack of a better word for maybe Star Trek fans will get the reference, but you end up with a board. It's a giant hive mind organization. That's what no kings is. It's hard to point to one leader aside from indivisible. It's hard to point to one leader or one mastermind. It's kind of the collective outrage of a professional class of left-leaning activists who have been totally shot out from the control rooms of power in America

11:45for several years now. They're very angry about it. Very angry indeed. That's what marks this movement in general. As you mentioned, there's not a lot of violence that we've seen although we saw some of that once again in Los Angeles. Perhaps a different crowd, different string string of this group. There are a lot of the hard left. The hard left is kind of people for socialism and liberation, which is organization types. Those groups, they love the summer of love. They love 2020. They are desperately hoping that that sort of thing happens again, but the younger people that they relied on to make those things happen just aren't here. They're not there. These protests are very boring. Most people probably didn't even realize that the no kings protests

12:50were happening this weekend. It is interesting to see that the hard left groups are starting to try and do make something happen as their favorite dictators all get either kidnapped or blown up. Yes. I guess that's the question then ultimately as I asked before. Is this stuff working? Clearly, the usual suspects in corporate media are all on board. Look at these huge crowds. I guess that's another question too. I don't know if you've tracked that. You certainly do track the people behind it in the money, but are these crowds that they're showing? I have seen some indication that in some places, AI manipulation is involved. Are these getting through these no kings demonstrations really getting through to actual Americans with jobs?

13:52I don't think so. I'm a very plugged in person. You and I both are. I'm also doing a trying to stay away from social media for lent this year, but even with those things going on, I don't think I heard about these. I knew that they were happening. I didn't hear any details about them. I saw a few photos. That was about the extent of it. These crowds are they big relative to other political crowds that pass potentially? But even if they are, it doesn't seem like anyone's particularly excited about them. It's frankly, it's a little disappointing. It would give me more to write about. I do think there's a huge interest in inflating these numbers and it would not be the first time that left-leaning groups have tried to inflate the appearance of public support when they don't

14:58really have it. Yeah, amazing. Sorrow's money? There's a lot of Sorrow's money involved in this. So we at Capital Research Center, we have a saying that we like to say. We do love talking about George Soros. I'm probably one of the leading experts on George Soros in the world. The left has many Soros'. They have many people who are funding all of the same stuff as him, who have just as much money as him, probably more, who are also funding these things. For example, with Indivisible Civics, you have one of their biggest donors is what's called the Fidelity Investments Charitable Gift Fund, which has given them something like $10 million over the years. These are anonymous donors. Usually, extremely high net worth people. This is Fidelity Investments Charitable Gift Fund is what's called a donor-advised fund. Some of

16:02your listeners might be familiar with it. It's essentially just a bank account that you can direct your charitable giving through. So you deposit your charitable donation in a DAF, which is a charity. You get your charitable deduction for that contribution. And then whenever you like, you tell the DAF to administer that money to whoever you want. So a lot of the money behind Indivisible is coming from donor-advised funds like this. So it's really hard to trace who the money is coming from. This goes back to those many Soros' as I was talking about. There's a lot of donors, but Soros is also involved in this deeply, lots of money to Indivisible, specifically in the past. But then we talk about the Borg and the network of organizations surrounding No Kings and surrounding Indivisible that was already there and is being used because the left has a professional organizing infrastructure already in place, something that the right really doesn't have, not nearly at the scale at least.

17:05The left kind of just used the existing infrastructure and kind of stapled No Kings on to that and said, hey, look, this is No Kings now. This nationwide network, this is No Kings, even though two years ago it was a vast network of very disparate organizations that had many different goals. Now, they all have one goal, which is No Kings, which isn't really a goal. That's just something you say. But yes, Soros money, people who have heard of the AirBell Advisors Network before, that is all over the No Kings protests. The people who are doing the local organizing, they all have various state affiliate organizations, which are all funded by a large network, all of the usual suspects. So basically, everyone is funding No Kings in some way or another, which makes it very hard to trace what actually is being spent on this protest. But I would guess it is not an insubstantial amount of money, something like tens of millions of dollars.

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19:08organizations here. We have money from the Sandler Foundation, which is the money of the late Erb Sandler. I think his wife may also have now passed, but the Herb Sandler gave them lots of money in past years. Essentially, he made his money off of the made-off scam. Really? Wow. I believe it was the made-off scam. I'd been one of the other scams, but I know that they had a fairly confident it was them. Well, we do know Bernie made-off with a lot of Americans money, of course. Yes. Let's see. In recent years, though, we've got some of the top donors, Schmidt Family Foundation, which I believe, and I should verify here real quick, but I believe is the family of foundation of Ron Schmidt or Rob Schmidt. Let me see. I can confirm this really quick, but he is one of the investors in Google, so we've got the Schmidt Family Foundation behind

20:15this. We also have the Merl Chambers Fund, another kind of a more famous big money pocket. Also, everyone has heard of the Tides Foundation before. They're giving Indivisible Civics $20,000 in 2024, which is an enormous amount of money, but they are funding it. Again, the way that non-profit financing works, you often not hear about the story until after it has already happened. You might notice this trend with, for example, the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, which bought all the mansions. We didn't find out they were buying the mansions until after, because Form 990s or IRS disclosures for non-profits are backdated by two years. What's happening now in 2026, we won't actually see the finances of those organizations unless they voluntarily disclose it until 2028. Indivisible could be getting $100 million right now as opposed to the $5 million they received last year or not last year in 2024, and we just wouldn't

21:20we wouldn't know about it. It's a little bit hard to trace funding flows in non-profits because of that. In 2024, let's see some other big donors. Obviously, Fidelity Charitable Investments gift fund, which I mentioned, a donor-advised fund. They also have a decent amount of money coming to them from the Freedom Together Foundation, which I don't know the donor behind that one, actually. But they got $600,000 from the Freedom Together Foundation, which is based in New York and seems to be, oh, it's Barbara Pickauer is on the board, who is a more famous donor on the left, and lots of other people who, I think, Deepak Pergarva, who used to be in the Biden administration if I remember incorrectly, but I could be wrong about that. No, I think you're right. Yeah. He's on the board of the Freedom Together Foundation. It was formerly known as the JPB Foundation, which so

22:22that it is the Barbara Pickauer Foundation, essentially. JPB stood for, I think, was John Paul Barbara or Pickauer or something like that, so that is the donor behind the foundation. But there is a lot, there are a lot of donors giving various amounts of money, and a lot of them are also just doing it anonymously, so it's impossible to tell who is funding. No counts. Yeah, that's, has been the difficult part about tracking that, and it takes time out out about that. As you mentioned, we don't have this in real time, and so it becomes extremely difficult. But we do know about a lot of these groups in their past and where their commitments have been, and it is safe to assume that they are back again in many of these cases. Our guest today is Parker Thayer, investigative researcher at Capitol Research Center. The great group behind my go to

23:23in tracking the nonprofit Charity Sector, and that is called Influence Watch, whatever you're looking for online. You can follow the money there, and the connections, the associations, and you'll find that a lot of these groups have ties on the left to the Obama administration, which is the Biden administration. The Biden administration, of course, took in a lot of the folks from the Obama administration, because some would say that it was really just Barack Obama's third term, and in the auto pen presidency era, I don't think that is a conspiracy theory by any means. How much of this really is astroturfing? And again, I know it's impossible to track the money, but there are indeed the left keeps saying, no, this is not the case at all. And and then of course you get the fact checkers from the media. But we do know you have tracked some of

24:25this money going to wages for people to protest. No, yeah. I mean, there is a whole industry. They like to call it community organizing, that essentially they exist to a big portion of what they their work is doing, get out the vote work. But in order to get people to get out the vote, they have to get them to show up to a protest where they can be registered to vote. They can go. They can give their information, their phone number, their emails to people who can then use put that information into databases where all these people can be tracked. And and make, you know, they can make sure that that person votes. They can bombard them with text messages and calls until they do. You know, this is a big part of what the No Kings protest is doing. I'm actually signed up for just for research purposes. I'm suffering. So all of you don't have to. Yes,

25:31that's I am signed up for the No Kings protest text messages. And so I have been invited numerous times to come out to the No Kings protest in my area. I did not decide to go believe it or not. But yeah, they're these the community organizers, the protest, industrial complex, the megaphone philanthropy industry. It's a very real thing. People do get paid to show up to protest. Now it's not always at the scale that some people assume that it must be because, you know, us being productive members of society, we have jobs and things to do and families to raise. We don't understand how people could just take a whole day and go in protest and not think about it twice. But, you know, with these people, it for them protesting is a free source of entertainment. You know, this is it. I mean, we're we've already commented about the you know, the average age of these protests this past weekend and and of the No Kings movement as a whole

26:33for for them. I said, I mean, this is essentially just a retirement home outing. Like bowling. Yeah, this is this is free bowling night, except instead of bowling, you go and you stand around and wave signs at things. So, you know, it's it is there is there is the truth is always kind of in between what the left and the right will say about things often. And, you know, kind of some more conspiratorially minded people assume that all of the No Kings protestors are getting paid and they're all getting, you know, everyone's handing out $50 checks. It's not quite that, but it's also not anything near what the media insisted is that this is all some organic, you know, organic protest movement that just emerged from the ashes of people's tears and spoiled hopes because, you know, Trump is so evil. That's not what's happening here. This is a professional organization led by professional people who make their living's organizing protests

27:36or organizing, you know, get out the vote groups organizing demonstrations. That is a that is an industry for the left. That is a there is a group of people who exist and then that is they, you know, they study the tactics of this. They have there are think tanks that come up with strategies for them. These are not just people, you know, out on a limb. There's a support system. There's a funding funding channels. And they are, you know, kind of the shepherds of the left's mobs. That's about the closest analogy you can come up with. I think that's a good way of saying that. And for those who remember their recent history, the 44th president of the United States started out in this business. Barack Obama was a community organizer and he worked in project vote. He certainly did. And and that leads us to the other point when we talk about the efficacy of this or or not. My colleague this week, Rihanna Lyman wrote a piece and the headline is the only midterm

28:44strategy. Lamer than no kings is GOP's plan to do literally nothing. So she goes into the, but one of the things that is is noted is this, you know, is looks preposterous to a lot of Americans, you know, a lot of common sense rational human beings. Like are you kidding? All for all the things we talked about, they look at, you know, what has gone on in Iran over the last nearly 50 years. And these people are talking about no kings. What has gone on in Venezuela with Maduro and these people are talking about no kings, you know, we have a a leftist elite in this country that live like kings and they're saying no kings. But this is a pretty good way to get people to register, to vote, to tap into their anger. And that's really what this is at the end of the day isn't it? Maybe they'd like a few more riots. But ultimately, this is about November,

29:492026. And the desperate move from the left to do anything they can to weaken Donald Trump in the mega movement in this country. Sure. Yeah. The no kings movement seems heavily focused on, shall we say, data collection. When you sign up for your no kings protests, you hand in your phone number and you tell them, you know, your address and et cetera. And all of this information, you know, they don't, they're collecting that information to make sure that you're registered to vote. And if you're not, they're going to harass you until you do. And once you're registered, they're going to harass you until you vote. You know, data collection is a huge part of all of the, you know, the reason that this one of the reasons that this protest industrial complex exists is just data collection because the left relies upon kind of lower propensity voters when it comes to election cycles. And so they have a vast network logistically to kind of

30:54wrangle their voter herders or their voter wranglers. They have low propensity voters, you know, people who are younger often really don't vote at the same rates. But the no kings movement, as we've seen, it's not reaching those same people. So I think they're really, I think they're very much interested in getting out the vote with these protests. And obviously, you know, they're starting to appeal to kind of older liberal voters and trying to, you know, which is a very hyperpensity base and trying to reach them with these non-profits, which, you know, makes an interesting question about the purpose of the non-profit sector, which is supposed to be non-partisan, but that's a whole nother discussion. But without the ability to, you know, you just mentioned the rights. Without the ability to get that enthusiasm and to get the, you know, the violent agitators that we saw in the summer of love out and mobilized, you know, no kings ends up being basically a PR operation. And this is why

32:01they're so insistent on the size of the crowds. They're so insistent that this is the biggest protests ever to happen, even though it's just kind of a whole bunch of very small protests happening at a thousand different locations for the most part. You know, no kings seems to be a PR operation and that's, you know, they have a catchy slogan, no kings is catchy, but it doesn't mean anything. They really, they really don't have much of a goal. One of their main goals seems to be opposing the removal of kings like Maduro and the Ayatola, as you just mentioned. So it's confusing and they're doing their best to do their data collection and their usual, you know, kind of get out the vote-minded activities. But the problem is they're not reaching the people that they want to. And so I think that we're going to see soon in the near future. I think no kings is going to jump the shark. I think they're going to start reaching a level of unauthenticness, if that's a word. I don't think that's actually a word, but I'm going to use it.

33:05I authentically think it is a word, yes. I think it would be inauthentic. Well, here we are debating grammar. Anyway, but inauthenticness, the astroturf aspect of it is going to shine through more and more the closer and closer we get to midterms. And they're going to be trying to reclaim some of that momentum that they feel they had back in 2020. And it's not going to be there. And so the tactics are going to get more and more preposterous. You know, the rhetoric is going to get more and more over the top if that's even possible. So it's going to be interesting to see what happens with no kings in the near future. But my guess is they get more shrill. They get more more obviously astroturf. They get more obviously artificial. How is that possible? How can how can they be more shrill? Oh, and how many cats were left at home during the past weekend for

34:12these poor people? But you know, maybe that's what this is. Maybe no kings is just an operation by the cat sitter's union of America to try and and beef up their own business. Follow the money. That's right. You know, one thing I've learned studying the left, you know, I read what they write every day. I read, I follow their social media. I sign up for all their email campaigns. I read their tax forms. The thing that I've learned is to never underestimate how insane they can be. Every time I think I have found the most ridiculous thing that I will read that day, I usually find something even more insane. And no kings is going to be no exception to that. Yeah, no doubt about that. Well, you had me at Fancy in a leather jacket. You talked about jumping the shark. That's where that phrase comes from. Actually, though, to set the record straight, when Fancy in Happy Days jumped the shark in his leather jacket and briefs,

35:19that was at the height of the show's popularity. And it stayed popular for a while. This, really though, is I can see this. I think we're in the way down. Yeah, I think this is definitely descending. But so is it just a matter of time before the left and the scientists, the experts were supposed to follow religiously faithfully. They're going to release some sort of virus again. I mean, this 2026, of course, smacks of 2020. And I mean that by the desperation, maybe there's not the cover of COVID to act under. But the leftist movement in America is doing whatever it can by any means to make sure that they a cripple the Trump administration and ultimately put it in prison and thereby taking out the mega movement so that they can regain power again. Do you see this movement becoming increasingly desperate,

36:24increasingly theatrical, of course, as we get closer and closer to the November midterms? Yeah, definitely, definitely increasingly theatrical. That is one of the, I've been shocked since 2024, the nonprofit industry has frankly been a little disappointing. I mean, these are the people we saw that materialized the summer of love out of thin air in 2020. Right. You know, they were leading media and PR operations, like we've never seen before. Now, you know, partially because there are one of the main news, social media platforms, and of course, Twitter or X formally Twitter is now not owned by someone who will censor everyone. That seems to have kind of stymied their efforts to replicate that. But yeah, the nonprofits, they got desperate in 2024. One of the things that I write about a lot is the get out the vote operations and, you know, capital research center. We have a forthcoming report on what happened with nonprofits and elections

37:28and just with, you know, election-related advocacy in general in 2024. And one of the things I found was that from 2020 to 2024, the get out the vote industry, the nonprofit get out the vote industry got bigger. It got much bigger, even while traditional packs spending actually declined during those years. So the left, they have not given up on the tactics that worked for them in the past. The problem is just that people aren't buying it anymore. You know, the enthusiasm is not there. People saw what happened in 2020. They lived through the fervor of it all. Some people were taken up by it, you know, and kind of consumed by the rage campaign that kind of dominated the country for months on end. And then afterwards, nothing changed. And then there was a democratic administration and the problems that they wanted fixed weren't really fixed. It turns out that they were being lied to. And now they know this. So the left is still poor. The left's donors

38:34are still convinced that the same tactics they used in the past will continue to work. And they're pouring in 2024, they poured money into the same old tactics. And then Donald Trump won the popular vote. So there, we haven't seen their tax forms from post-2024 yet. 2025 will be the next year. And then the year after that will be 2026. We'll finally see their tax forms from that year. So it's hard to say what's going on in those board meetings and in those, you know, in those Zoom calls. But you have to imagine that they're trying to rewrite the playbook, but they just don't know how. Because they've been relying on the same playbooks since the 1960s. So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens with no kings. And, you know, they will get more theatrical. And even more, you'll see that they really don't have any, they're so rattled by

39:34their loss in 2024 that they just, I don't think they really know what to do yet. And no kings is kind of their first step back into being the machine that they once were. They're still trying to reclaim their former glory as it were. Or, you know, I would say design. But let me play consultant for a moment for the list. Let's advise them. Let's tell them what they can do better. Exactly. Here you go. And I'm really serious. They won't listen to me, of course, because I'm a conservative. And I believe in making America great again. So they don't want anything to do with that. But here's the thing that they ought to do. They ought to shut the hell up and stop this nonsense of no kings. Because I think that hurts their cause ultimately with the average person because they're looking at these nuts out in the street going, oh my god, I don't want to go back to that again. That's why 2024 happened. What they should talk about, keep concentrating on is affordability, which is a huge lie because they're Marxist. And they're never going to make any

40:38affordable. They're going to make it at least lie about it. And they have. And that part is effective. And really what they need to do is just rely on the Rhino Republicans that control Congress right now, particularly in the Senate to not do a damn thing. And then what you would have is you would have what you have right now, a growing number of conservatives who say, listen, I was all in on 2024. I saw the vision. I saw the change. I saw the possibilities. And once again, we have bought and paid for rhinos who won't do anything, just like the left found out in 2000 with a far radical left found out in 2020. So you lose engagement. And that's where you win at the polls. And that's what happens oftentimes in midterms, the disillusionment. But they won't do that, will they? Because they're just so tied into this chaos. And you can only

41:41keep an anarchy going a really good anarchy going for so long, can't you? Exactly. You raise a great point here, which about the confusion of the No Kings movement and the discord in their message. You know, on the one hand, you would think that it would be an enormously, electorally beneficial strategy to focus on. You know, there is gridlock in Washington, DC. The current administration isn't getting things done that they said they were going to. You know, and there are, they could try and tell all kinds of lies and spin a big story about that. But they can't because they're also simultaneously trying to present the idea that Donald Trump is acting as a king and a dictator and is unilaterally declaring things into being and, you know, is a one-man show running the country and we must oppose kings. So, you know, they kind of,

42:41you know, they've walked themselves into a corner that they really don't know how to get out of. And they have, you know, this No Kings message, which is not really, I don't think, going to be a very compelling for many people, especially when it comes to actually voting. But it does get the older, you know, the older liberal demographic out. They seem to like it for whatever reason. So, they could be focusing on all these things, but the No Kings has soaked up so much of their attention and their messaging and their focus that they're kind of stuck with one path, one, you know, one central point of their message now, which is that they don't like kings, but again, I don't think the average person actually thinks that Donald Trump thinks that he's a king. I don't think anyone really thinks that, but they like saying it, and so they're going to keep saying it.

43:43Yeah, and, you know, the consistency of message is very, very important, obviously, but, you know, as we have found out over the last several years in this country once again, as conservatives, you've got to thank God for the unhinged left because without the unhinged left and what they are doing to turn off voters, Republicans may never have a chance to win electorally. It's just the sad state of affairs going on in America today. Thanks to my guest today, Parker Thayer, investigative research, excellent investigative researcher at Capital Research Center. You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Out. I'm Matt Kiddell, senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more, until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray.