The Moment Ryan’s Italy Trip Went Sideways

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3:04Hopefully I've kept your attention. The tour of Pompeii was incredible. We had this hilarious tour guide. She kept referring to my kids. You go, little king, little king. This little king come here. Let me show you this. And he would, he referred to them as little kings, which is someone we've been doing ever since. The crazy thing was he was showing us the crosswalks. So all the streets drain in Pompeii. There's these sort of gutters. And then the water goes into the street. Rain's real hard. Drain's in the street. And the crosswalks were raised. And you're just stepping across these stones. The people have walked on. We're walking on one day. And they still work. He showed us a video. It had poured the day before. It still works. It was just incredible. You think about all these different things. You think life is so new. You're like, oh, the nice houses are at the top of the hill. The nice houses banned street traffic. And you think life has always been this way. It always will be this way.

4:05People are doing the exact same thing. I thought of that a couple weeks later, I was doing Bill Maher in LA and I went for a run in Beverly Hills, where they'd put me up in a hotel and I thought, oh, they banned traffic from some of these streets. These are the big quiet houses on the hill. This is the same thing. And yet, we all get evened out when the volcano comes and changes everything. The other thing, he shows us this sort of these cast of these bodies. And for many years, they thought, and I just read an article about this. They thought that the bodies were this family. But they DNA tested it and they found out actually there were three or four unrelated strangers, a kid, a woman, a man, whatever. And you realize, oh, these were people thrown together in the source of it tragedy. It's sweet and moving and beautiful. And one family is family tragedy dying together, protecting each other. But it's equally beautiful if they're strangers, right? They come together as strangers in this moment of existential terror

5:07and fear and comfort each other and then momento more like it could happen to any of us. You walk into this one building and you're like, they painted this mural here to make the house look bigger. And it just struck me like, oh yeah, today we're like, let's throw an accent wall in here. Let's put this furniture here. The way we maneuver to make a small thing look bigger, there's just something powerful about the way Pompey reveals. Exactly what the Stokes talked about, how little changes, how much people are the same. The silly trifles that we stress about, the peacocking and pretenses where we try to show off our ultimate precariousness and susceptibility to the whims of fate and fortune. It's all there as well as the ingenuity. Hey, this is how they kept food cold. This is how they kept food warm. This is how they handled drainage. This is how they kept cool in the summer despite the heat. This is how they pioneered entertainment and pleasure.

6:12It's all there and it always has been and always will be. We went on to Cerencio. We stayed at this lovely place in Cerencio and you could see Pompey behind us, like across the Bay of Naples. And I was like, does Mark Siriz talk about Pompey at all in meditations? I was sort of going back and then I realized, nobody does talk about the age of this pasion. And I made this connection between one of my favorite passages and meditations and the eruption of the Suvius. I was standing in our hotel, Bay of Naples, the Suvius behind me and I recorded this. It's one of the most famous expressions in the ancient world. You've almost certainly heard it. Fortes, fortuna, ua. Fortune favors the bold. You might think that that's about dashing and daring, that it's about going after that thing that you want. It's about putting yourself out there. It's about conquest and achievement and accomplishment. But actually the most famous version of that expression

7:13happened right here in the Bay of Naples and it puts a totally different spin on it. In the year 79 AD, that exploded. That is Mount Vesuvius throwing plumes of smoke and ash into the air. Everyone that could run away did. Except for one guy, his name is Pliny D. Elder. He was the commander of the Roman Navy. And his first impulse was curiosity. He was an amateur scientist. He wanted a sea of volcanic eruption up close. But then someone brought urgent news that his best friend, Pompanius, was trapped there. So he rushed to the scene and when he got there, he found that the shoreline is blocked by debris. The sea is going crazy. The men told him he had to turn back. And this is when he utters those famous words. Fortez Fertuna Juá. Pompanius, Pete. Fortune favors the bold head for Pompanius. For him, it wasn't just about a few seconds of courage.

8:15It was about a few seconds of courage in favor of what? In favor of rescuing his friend, being of service to others. And then this is the other wrinkle. Fortune favors the bold. It does not guarantee success. Pompani dies there attempting to rescue his friend. But his legacy is assured. And his example towers down to us 2,000 years later. So maybe the second day we were in Cerencio or in this little market, we're walking with kids are tired and grouchy. And on my run, as I said, one of the things I do is I go for these long runs. I'd passed like a Belgian freaks place, like a French fried place. And my kids are still mad at me because when we went to Amsterdam, I saw one and I brought them it. I was surprising them. We were only in Amsterdam for a couple of hours on that tour that I did. And I brought them and they put the ketchup on the french fries.

9:16And they don't like doing it that way. They like to dip it in separate. And they're like, you ruined the fries, you put. This is, you know, I did not know how much I would be yielded by having kids, especially when I try to do nice things. But that's either here or there. I saw this Belgian freaks place. So I was like, hey, guys, we have to go to dinner. But I'll take you to this fried place first, moazzam french fries and then we'll walk over to where we're going to dinner. So you get the french fries are so excited. Of course, that you, 10% of them. So they have these french fries. And I'm like, hey, can I throw these away? We're going to a restaurant. They also have french fries at the restaurant. I was just throwing these away. Now, we have to keep them. So we sit down at this restaurant in the little square and we put it on an empty chair at our table. And they're there. And then a waiter like bumps into them and a couple of the fries fall on the ground. And then, you know, like pigeons start landing on them. Lots of pigeons, right? The manager of the restaurant starts yelling at me. He comes over and he starts yelling at me. He's like, you can't feed the pigeons.

10:16You know, the police are going to come. They're going to find you. You can't feed the pigeons. And I'm like, I'm trying to explain, like I'm not feeding the pigeons. Like the french fries fell on the ground. And by the way, we weren't the person the people that put them on the ground. I understand where you're saying, I'm not going to feed the pigeons. But, and he keeps yelling at me. And finally, I'm like, hey, you're not hearing me. I have to like cut this person off. Then he realizes, oh, okay. I think Keith thought he told me not to feed the pigeons. And then I kept feeding the pigeons. I don't know. There's a misunderstanding, right? He thought I was doing some rude American tourist thing, which I don't blame him for assuming. But I wasn't doing it. And I wouldn't do that. And we were just talking passage to the language barrier. He has a busy stressful job. Got it, right? But it was sort of full circle. Well, go with it. I mean, one, it's weird being yelled at when you're in a toll. It takes you to a weird small place.

11:16Two, it's weird being yelled at in front of your kids because they don't totally understand that the world can work that way. They're just sort of like, what's happening? And then three, it brought us full circle. So them being yelled at at the airport. And it was a little good opportunity to be like, hey, you saw what I ultimately had to do. There was a misunderstanding. And I had to interrupt the misunderstanding. But I'm not taking it personally. I'm not getting upset. But like, you don't have to sit there and let someone abuse you. You can stand up for yourself. You can speak up to be hurt. But other than that, Carento was lovely. We had a great time, swam a couple of miles in the ocean in front of our hotel. I like that. And then we took a boat out to Capri. That's where the trip went a bit sideways, I would say. So in the middle of the night, before we were supposed to go on this boat trip to Capri, which we decided to sort of splurge on Samantha's. I've always wanted to go. Could we rent like a boat? I don't want to go with other people. Can we just rent a boat? And I was like, you know what?

12:17Let's do it. We actually had some friends that rented a boat and drove it themselves. And that seemed, well, considering that Stoicism started from a shipwreck, that was not a risk I was willing to take. Actually, I texted him while we were on the boat. And I was like, you did this by yourself? Are you insane? Anyways, we splurged. We rented this boat. They picked us up. And we were planning on renting this boat so we just met him in the harbor. And I just woke up in the middle of the night, just like awful food poisoning, just crazy, which I, I guess, handle the loan in the bathroom of the hotel while my family slept peacefully in the other room. And it was definitely not pretty or fun to then get on a boat the next morning. Both my kids seemed fine. I thought maybe I was the only one that got it. And then my youngest son was also hit by it. And Samantha took our youngest who was real hard. We got off the boat at Capri. We were like, we just need to sit down in a restaurant or sitting down and eating. And she takes my youngest to the bathroom.

13:19And he just, he literally passes out on the floor of the bathroom. Like, not like faints, but just falls asleep. She texts me. She's like, I'm on the floor of a public restroom. Is asleep in my arms. And I was like, well, let me know if you need me to come get you. And that's where she spent quite some time people pounding on the door and stuff. Sometimes as a parent, you just unlock new levels of hell, right? Like things you didn't even know you could be subjected to, but were. And then my oldest son wanted to go on this finicular. We took the finicular up the top of the mountain. I bet on a lot of finiculars in my life. More than you would have thought. Not a good chunk of all of them in the world, but probably more than most people. So my kids, so we did that. That was fun. Samantha on a beach chair. My son, she just laid there and I took him up to the top. Oh, it was this beautiful thing. And then, you know, we both rallied, got spent some time in the water. It was actually incredible and beautiful. Although they take you into these grottos, these incredible grottos and we go to go in the first one.

14:19We're like, they're gonna back the boat into this thing. Are you out of your mind? And as they start to do it, all of a sudden he just like guns at the other direction in the second look up and the Italian coast guard is right there. And they were telling us that, you know, when there's no coast guard, the boats get pretty aggressive and do some impressive steering. But as soon as the coast guard gets within eyesight, they're not allowed to do it. So they got out of there. So that was whatever. So as we made it back in one piece from the boat trip and then the next day, we went to the island of Iskia, which we'd heard was cooler than Capri. And we were planning, we'd run the kids real hard. Lots of walking, lots of travel, lots of tours, lots of educational stuff. And we're like, you know what, this part of the trip is just gonna be the relaxing part. And when we were in Greece, that summer we found this hotel that had this like amazing kids club near Sunio. Sunion for the temple of Poseidon is. And it had been amazing. They loved it.

15:20They loved honestly getting away from us. One of the funny things about going on vacation is you're basically going on vacation without childcare. So it's just you watching your kids all the time. And they want to break from you and you want to break from them. My kids were excited about this. And so we booked what was the only supposedly kid friendly hotel on Iskia. And I'm not gonna say what it is. If I was recording this closer to, I would be telling you exactly what it is, but I will not. And we were really excited. The kids were so excited. We pulled it to the hotel and you know when you pull up into a hotel and you're like, you're immediately getting that disparity between, which sometimes you see online, there's like the hotel photos and the trip advisor photos. Almost immediately we were getting that feeling. But like it had looked good in the trip advisor photos. And check in, takes kind of a long time. You know, they take your passports. He's like, I need to go through these. I'll come, I'll bring them back up to you in a little bit. Just kind of, again, a first clue, I guess. And we walk up, first of the hand, you a regular key, bad sign.

16:22And then we walk up and you're just feeling this like dread feeling interstemic like this is not, this is not what I was hoping for. Maybe it's still awesome, but it's not what I was hoping for. We get into the room. I've stayed on some military bases. Like they have like hotels on military bases. They're usually like holiday ins, but as bare bones as a holiday and could possibly be not really run by a holiday in, they're like motel level accommodations. And this made that look five-star. Like it was, it was not nice. And the room had bunk beds in it. We told our kids, we'd heard that. And my kids were excited. We gotta stay in bunk beds. This is so awesome. I'm looking at my wife. She's looking at me. And we're making this eye contact like, we're obviously not staying here, right? Like maybe one night and then we're gonna find something else, right? And so I'm literally getting out my phone to take a picture of it, to send to my assistant to be like, hey, can you please see if there's anything? We don't really like this. It's not what we were hoping for.

17:24And as I am taking this picture and I have like it half captured, because you know when you hit a button and it takes that like burst of photos. So I have like a slide show of the bunk bed. My youngest son is climbing up to the top of the bunk bed and then we get a step brother situation, you know? Like where the top bed collapses. It literally collapses. And it falls. The ladder was supposedly supposed to support it in some way. That like slid out and it fell. And then he fell off and I caught him but the ladder knocked over my oldest son. They both get sort of cut and bruised by this. And I'm just like, oh my God, what just, are you serious? You know, it's like in a step brother's like, there's blood everywhere. That's actually my son later when he was fine. He was like, I should have said, there's blood everywhere because they've seen that clip. Anyways, I make sure they're okay. I run downstairs and I go to the guy. I was like, the bed just collapsed.

18:24He runs upstairs. We're like consoling my son. It's kind of like fiddling with the bed. And then he just goes, okay, I'll fix it. And then he walks out. I'm literally stunned by this. And so we go downstairs, gather our thoughts, search, confirm there is another hotel that we can stand, pack up our stuff, go back to the lobby and go, hey, there's no reception on the silent either. Apparently, go, hey, we need you to call us a cab. We're gonna go. I go, where are you going? And I go to stay at another hotel and they go, what? And I go, do you not remember the bed just collapsed on the way son? So bunk bed collapsed and he goes again. And you know, sometimes when you're talking with someone and you're just like, we live on different planets, I'm not gonna be able to convince you. I just said, I'm sorry, once was enough. When bed collapses enough. I was like, I can't trust any of the facilities here. I can't trust the pool. I can't trust the kids club. There's a trampoline. I'm not gonna stay in a hotel where it collapses on my son.

19:26We gotta go. And they go, okay, well, we're gonna need you to settle up. And I go, settle up, we haven't stayed here. Needless to say, if you're at a hotel where they do not clock that a bed collapsing and hurting two children in the process is like a real bad screw up and they should be real happy to do whatever they can for you to leave happily. You could probably guess how this went. They tried to charge us a bunch of money. They tried to tell us we weren't allowed to leave. They refused to call the cab. Oh, it was just madness. I finally was like, look here. Just take my credit card, charge me whatever you need to charge me and let me leave. You know, knowing you're gonna be able to handle it with the credit card company after. And then, you know, shockingly, their credit card process was down. And I was like, okay, but this isn't my problem. Like, I have children that need to eat. We need to leave. And when I try to leave, they threaten to call the police and my wife comes in and goes,

20:27you're keeping us here against our will. And your threat is that you're gonna call the police on us. Why don't you try that and see how that goes. We finally ended up making the charge go through and left the cab drivers totally bewildered by what's happening. My son, as we're standing there, he leans on a light pole and then that collapses. Like, literally a street lamp fell over, like one of their street lamps. I go, boys, this place is a dump, don't touch anything. Who knows what's gonna happen. And anyways, we found an amazing hotel up the street. Like, the night and day of this was so incredible. Actually, I'm gonna say the name of this hotel. QC Spa Roma. Look, hiring is make or break for a business, especially if you're a small business. You can't just hope that you find the right people. Hope is never a strategy,

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24:32And it's hitting him like really hard. And my wife's like massaging his face and it seems to make a difference. It takes a de-congestion. He's all better. We think nothing of it. You know, maybe you had a little science infection who was getting over, think nothing of it. It goes away, fly home a couple days later. I'll come back to that. Just wait for a second. But then on our last day in Islam, we're supposed to get picked up. We come back from these thermal baths, change, get ready. I'm supposed to be picked up by a driver who's gonna take us to a ferry. The ferry's gonna take us to this other hotel near the Rome airport, which is like the last day of the trip. And then we're gonna fly home. And we get back to the hotel and there's no driver. We don't know where it is. We can't call anyone. He's not picking up. Finally, he comes and we go, where were you supposed to leave? And he was like, I've been here for 30 minutes. It's like, you haven't been here for 30 minutes. That doesn't make any sense. There'd been some miscommunication, whatever. We're driving. We drive down there. It was supposed to be like at the ferry, like right below the hotel, like a four minute drive.

25:33Instead, he drives like 20 minutes. Like, apparently we'd been put on a different ferry. Like you book the ferry with the driver and then they take you, they have your tickets. Anyways, this is the package we've done. The drivers, like going to a different place. So it had changed. They'd moved up the ferry time, apparently. And so he'd been there early and we hadn't been there because the ferry wasn't to later. Anyway, she's mad. She's pissed, but there's a language barrier. We're frustrated, crazy. Then we finally get there and there's all this traffic and we just go like, okay, we'll just let us get out. We'll walk the rest of the way and get on the ferry. No, you're not getting out of the car. No, don't get out of the car. And we're like, oh my God, what is happening? Are we gonna get murdered by this ferry driver who's pissed at us? We don't have tickets, what it's just to do. It's not letting us get out of the car. It's actually like legitimately scary. Not as scary as a time my wife and I woke up having fallen asleep in an Uber in Thailand. It is supposed to be like a 10 minute Uber drive. And we woke up an hour later having fallen asleep.

26:35The Uber driver had just decided to keep driving until we woke up. Instead of waking us up and going, you're here. He just ran the till the whole time. First we were scared, then we were pissed. Right to go to one of the talking about the beginning. Now, first you're like, please don't let me die. Then as soon as you're like, oh, I'm not gonna die. You're like, well, I don't wanna be ripped off. And then we realized that we were ripped off, but when you did the exchange rate, it was like $12 American dollars. And we were like, you know what? It's a great price to pay. Anyways, not quite that scary, but it's getting scary. Finally, he's like yelling at these police officers who direct him traffic. We pull up to the ferry and instead of letting us out, he just drives on to the ferry. And we go, oh, that's what it was. It had changed and now we were having the same driver from the hotel to the ferry, drives on to the ferry. Then when we get to Naples, he's gonna drive us to Rome. So that was crazy. We ended up patching things up, left him a nice big tip. Thank you for not murdering us, sir, and for being so confused.

27:36And then we pulled up at this delightful hotel that was also a thermal bath, even though we just spent all day at one. And so my sons and I, my wife went into the room and crashed. And we had just an absolutely amazing sort of Roman spot. Experience, which was the reward for a long trip. And I just thought of the baths that Mark Sures talks about in meditations, that Seneca talks about in meditations, washing off the dust of earthly life. The Romans were big bath people, as you know. And this was kind of a throwback to that experience. And we just went from different thermal pool, to different thermal pool. My kids just had this amazing time. It looked so incredibly cute in these enormous robes. And it was just an absolutely fantastic end to the trip. And then got up early, I went on a long run along the Tiber River that morning, before we caught our plane back to the United States.

28:38Flu home made it relatively unscathed, or so we thought we're home for a day. And then you're adjusting the thing. The kids are tired. My youngest son seems to be sick again. It's just kind of lethargic. And then his eyes start swelling up. And you know, did you just get back to get bit by something in Texas? I've written into Chattu B2 while we were in Rome, that my son is really screaming about this sinus thing. And they say, you know, he's probably a sinus infection. He's just congestion probably. As long as there's no swelling in the eye, you don't have to be worried about it. So there wasn't any swelling in the eye. So it wasn't worried about it. But that like weird like, hey, look out for this thing, kind of stuck in our heads. So that night, as his eyes start to swell up a little bit, it's like, pink eye to get bit by something. We're kind of keeping an eye on it. My wife says, you know, if I check out in the middle of the night and it's swollen, or he wakes up in the morning, it's swollen, I don't know what we should do. And she's like, I'm gonna make a doctor's appointment,

29:39just in case. I go, great. We wake up in the morning and it is super swollen. And she takes him to the doctor who immediately says, take him to Dell Children's Emergency Room, which she does. And they admit him immediately. It is orbital cellulitis. There's two versions of it. There's one like behind the eye and one in the front of the eye. The one in the front of the eye is bad, but not real bad. The one behind the eye is as bad as it can get. Like a fine line between catching it and treating it with antibiotics. And like you need to have brain surgery because you have a lesion behind your eye that could kill you. And that's where it was. And that's what he had. And he spent three days in the hospital at Dell Children's, touch and go for the first part of it, hooked up to an IV antibiotics. All of a sudden your little kid is hooked up to tubes and you don't know what to do.

30:40You know, all Marx really says stuff about, you know, you try to stay present. He says that your child is sick, but not that they might die of it. And you think about somebody who buries half their children having to write that note to himself about staying present, not catastrophizing and at the same time taking whatever they're going through very seriously. I asked Chagy to do this. I was like, you know, what would happen if you had this 100 years ago, 200 years ago, a thousand years ago? Only relatively recently, with the prognosis of this been good, right? Only with the advent of serious antibiotics, could they treat this thing and not just pray that the infection takes care of itself and doesn't spread. And the people at Dell Children's were incredible. You know, I've had Michael Dell on the podcast and I messaged him and his wife and just said like, what you've built here is incredible. You want us to think else really touching? There was an Xbox in the room. In fact, there was an Xbox in every room. So actually as soon as my son was on the mend, he had an amazing time.

31:41But the Xboxes are in every room because a kid who was there asked for his make a wish, not to get something for himself, not to go somewhere for just him or his family, but he requested Xboxes go in every room in the hospital. And you think about how touching and moving that is, how sweet and pure and selfless kids can be. And then you think about the conditions that put that kid in that position or you walk out in the lobby. My wife's stay at each night. I took care of my other son would come in during the day. It's grandparents were lifesavers, but you pass a sign for a kid's four-year-old birthday party in the lobby directing people to some common room. You know, some parents are here probably with their cancer-stricken child or God knows what else. You know, she's long enough they're celebrating birthday parties in the hospital and how lucky you are. How helpless you are. Talk about helplessness.

32:42The night I'm moving, I go downstairs, I go through what I think. I was like, oh, I'll just take the stairs, I go through these stairs. It leads to this locked courtyard that I'm trapped in and can't come back into the hospital. And I have to knock on some window on these kids. They're there. Sammy permanently, they see me. It's like the most exciting thing that's ever happened to them. I see they have to press the button on their thing to let it. Nurse, come get me. I thought that was humiliating. But it was a hell of an experience, a capstone on the trip, say the least a turn we weren't expecting. Which is, I think ultimately the Stoke lesson. And in one day, you're on vacation, you're having fun. And then the next day, you're in the hospital hoping that your kid does have a lesion on their brain. And you caught this thing earlier. I mean, to me, that's one less sentence. It's like, listen to your kids. When your kids tell you something wrong, sure. Sometimes they're whining, but you're always gonna wish you took it more seriously than you did. You're gonna wish you were present with them when you had them. You're gonna wish that you had the time with them

33:44while you did have the time with them. You always wanna have more time with them. That's what you're gonna be wishing for desperately one day. But you do have them right now. And that's what the trip was for us. It was wonderful. It was stressful. It was crazy. We packed probably too much in. Whether didn't cooperate. This infection didn't cooperate. But otherwise, it was a great experience. And then right back into the craziness shortly. Thereafter, and I think the craziest thing about the whole ordeal was like after three, four days of antibiotics, the discharge him, his home, his one full day at home. And then we go, he signed it for summer camp. The next day, can you go? And they were like, yeah, absolutely. It should be totally fine. And I think that was for us, the hardest part was the reentry. Not from the trip, but reentry from trip to crisis, to real life where they were like, you never have to think about this again. It was a freak occurrence. It happens a certain minuscule percentage of the time. It won't happen again. So go about your life.

34:45Count yourself lucky. Which is kind of again, that Marcus really said, he goes, think of yourself as dead. Okay, now you've come back to life. How do you live it properly? That's what we're trying to do. It's easy to relapse. It's easy to get back off track. But we're trying to stay on track, counting our very lucky stars. Not just to have had this privileged, wonderful trip, but to still be here, to still be a family, to have had the ability to not have to sweat about the medical bills, because we have insurance. And even if we didn't have insurance, we're going to pay for it, to be have access to a great hospital, to have been treated so well by these great doctors. We're just incredibly fortunate all the way around that I could take the time off work to be with my kid, that I didn't have to, not just to go on the vacation, but to drop everything, because he's in the hospital, right? All this is stroke of very good fortune. We're lucky to have, and that's what I'm thinking about.