The Legend of Billie Jean LIVE!

0:00Protect your nuts because we saw the legend of Billie Jean so you know what that means

1:00and hello people of Los Angeles we are live at Largo talking about the legend of Billie Jean Billie Jean walked so better off dead could run I want my two dollars well we would never have had that if we didn't have I want my 603 dollars this movie wow wow wow when it came out opening weekend 14th place 14th place for a major motion picture it was beaten by the re-release of ET among 13 other films but what is it about while we open up on a Texas teenager Billie Jean played by Helen Slater and her younger brother Blinks Christian Slater who are getting harassed by a local bully named Hubee right Hubee bus

2:04up Binks's motor scooter real good so Billie Jean goes to Hubee's dad Mr. Piotr and is like I demand justice which to Billie Jean means getting paid $608 to fix the scooter but Mr. Piotr is not a good dude at all instead of paying Billie Jean he tries to sexually assault her it's not yeah it's not fun this is where the movie goes crazy right she gets out of it she kind of escapes and then her brother shoots him seemingly in the neck but I guess it's just the shoulder and then they go on the run Billie Jean banks in a couple of their powers they go on the run from the cops and the media coverage is bananas especially the radio coverage and basically Billie Jean turns into a young folk hero we're gonna get into the specifics of that because they never really talk about why but she just she just shot a dude and we're like yeah without the specifics it I'm on the other guy's side anyway we'll break it

3:06all down but first let me bring on my coast please welcome to the stage Mr. Jason man Zookas what's up jerks fair is fair fair is fair fair is fair fair is fair let's get my brother is bike back scooter scooter this is okay I'm this is already I have so much to say I should go through out this movie I saw this is hands down I'm not kidding the best movie we've ever done exclamation wait wait wait two I had to come out June day and rape you had to come out I had to stand for this one we're all standing I had to come out June is I love this movie so much I we did it I'm okay I want to start off with the

4:10public apology I'm sorry I hadn't seen it till this after yes I had I seen this had I seen this when it came out I would be a different yes I did so much better I saw it when it came out I became this person oh it doesn't does not not results may vary results may vary I can't believe what I saw true great is this one of the most important I'm not better than the Odyssey this is one of the most really sitting I'm at what are the most important movies of our time it's a dual it is all these things are true and also whenever Pat Benatar introduces this song on stage he says this is from the worst movie ever made wow that's just a point I don't know why we're doing it here because I asked for it I asked for it we were supposed to do something else forgive

5:12me I don't remember what when we did thrashing thrashing reminded me so much of this say of this movie but you were there you were that you are part of this conversation she you know that June men and blacks herself after every episode yes that's one of those things okay great I'll see you guys later I don't remember that you know what you know what I honestly think I okay it's sort of coming back to me if you didn't know the movie you wouldn't remember and also I thought it was about a man nope I never saw this movie because what I thought it was about Billy Jean King the tennis star and when I was a kid I'm like I'm not interested in tennis oh shit I'm curious before the I'm certain everyone here watched it for the episode before this how many people had seen the movie okay okay I see you Jen X I see you this is the most

6:12Jen X movie I've ever seen I was unsupervised oh constantly taking the law into their own hands this entire movie obeys kid logic at every turn when the kids I'm sorry to jump ahead I guess we're not sitting tonight and I'm fine with it not sat down when the kids I have back surgery just so we could do this movie and I could stand throughout when the kids start walking behind Billy Jean one by one I was like what the and they said Kenny's in trouble and then one by one oh they all start walking with her I was like I can't handle this okay for me that was a great moment for why you need proper insulation in your home wow you're not going to hear those screams we're not going to hear those screams but you hear there's so much child abuse in this movie and I just want to be clear that Paul you are pro the parents I'm just saying if you don't want neighbors popping

7:16their fucking face in your house while you're taking your business if you don't want to put folk heroes coming into your house wow if you take off your belt and you don't like you want to use it oh wow you don't want to be reprimanded about it then put some proper insulation in there are you selling insulation I may have a side deal with insulation 1 800 bonkers I was with so I one of my proudest moments as a parent is that I at a certain point in the beginning our oldest son Gus is 12 said can I come in and watch it and I had thought hmm okay because I did tell you I said you know at the beginning of this movie you said is it okay and it's well there is a sexual assault at the top of the film yes to see this movie through his eyes right my work is done no honestly for that about my work is when the girl pulls up I did it today we're going to girl pulls up and opens the door and she has the Billie Jean haircut and earring sobbing

8:17uh-oh I'll read every time I started to cry and or sob I wrote it in my notes because it was happening so often and I will read them out and it is all of act three all of act three just sobbing me writing the kids are supporting her here's what's so cool though okay first of all I'm doing a bad long week I do want to put the breaks on some of this and just ask some questions but let's continue yeah sure and I'm fine to answer all of them okay great with my feet 10 jose on the ground and you're in the heels in your sleep if you don't mind just because I feel like something is happening and this is a real team Fred team Stanley situation don't worry you and I June are aligned completely on this and Paul has already established an affinity for the parental point of youth specifically I am Peter coyote on this one okay you you wish you were Peter oh I'm fucking Peter coyote man oh you're doing both sides I'm walking both sides I'm going to

9:21the mini golf thing here's the thing people all right it takes a long time before they reveal that this owner mr. Piotts a bad dude as far as anyone knows what are you talking about the movie wait wait the movie is high stakes immediately he tries to rape her in minutes hold on all I'm saying is you're acting like what are you top all Paul Paul what are you talking about what I was going wow I feel like I'm being Billy Jane splain too um Billy what I'm saying is this she becomes a folk hero at a point before the videotape is released all we know is that for what everyone knows is a young child shot a shop owner in the in this shoulder and they're yes so that to me was like that misunderstood the entire why didn't you like it because it's like

10:27we're why are we so you didn't think he should have been shot I did but no one knows any of those reasons unless he's out there sexually assaulting everyone in the greater Texas area so unless that's the case you're comfortable with what he did in this instance no I don't want to be I'm just saying get that get that narrative out to the media earlier so she can become a teen hero okay your problem is you're all about the media man she's all about the people bro but what are the people the people in the streets the people in the fair fair is fair fair is fair fair is fair well then you'll be surprised to know why are you holding that young boy that that young boy she walked in how does she know what happened what do you mean with the dad how do we know that the boy was the he's covering behind a couch because he's afraid of her wait Kenny you are so you are doubling down

11:27I'll stop I'm going down don't jump to conclusions we don't know what what what conclusions well maybe he was beating his dad and then he's oh shit let me go high because we don't know the full story wow wow no I know I I enjoyed this movie there are some logic issues in it not are crazy wrong wrong they are what you're sit down what you're confused about just so listeners know now is the moment in the show where we finally took a seat winded and sore you are getting caught up in the reality of like what she did and what Christian Slater a little brother did and why people like the sort of facts around that what you are missing entirely I'm getting entirely is how she was standing in for this story was standing in

12:30for so many feelings of helplessness and powerlessness and children wanting to be heard and wanting to be seen by adults who were dismissing them and that rage being built up that is what she was inspiring and all of that and what did it matter if it was true or not that was beside the point and that's what I mean when I say the movie only is interested in the children's point of view absolutely never cut to Billie Jean and Binks's mom for example we almost never are with Dean Stockwell we rarely are with she and I wish you got a little bit more Dean get some just watching out there movie about adults but if you'd seen this movie when you were a kid or if you understood the true children's point of you leg jean does yeah team for head all the way that this like yeah no crazy moves are made because they're being made by teenagers I can that's what's great about it what here's the other thing it's not the teenager crazy moves who keeps a gun in the register like where would you even fit that it doesn't fit in the $20

13:36bill slot it seems like that should like I didn't understand the register mac and oh well here's the thing you're getting but where do you put it out there's a big gun how many how many slots is where's the money and I didn't think this was a logic issue because I did understand why he did it because children's brains aren't fully developed but the fact that Christian Slater's defense was like well he told me it wasn't loaded it's like that's something explain the why you pulled the trigger well I also that's making effort to get at that he doesn't pull the trigger here he's like when he's like wait it's really not loaded he shoots him like I thought that I thought that man I thought that man was shot in the neck now he's shot in the shoulder he seems to go back to work immediately and not only back to work but thriving at work and he's like I lost two pints of blood and the grand scheme of things I'm like you got off pretty well you don't even seem injured in any way I'm worried that his son is drinking a beer is his son of legal age because if his son is what are you talking about of

14:42course he's not of legal age why was a bully drinking beer but he comes into the drink a beer he's 21 but he comes did you not drink a beer drink some zimas no um no but not I know I get that he is drinking unlawfully but he comes into his dad's store with a beer like he's drinking in front of his dad Texas baby Texas it's wild I couldn't figure out the stereotypes so there's Southern are they Texas then I found out there's a thing called Texas for Vieira which I guess is both and now I'm psyched too many stereotypes for me I am shocked that you have problems with this movie this is no I don't have problems with it but I don't you do you are you do Paul I have to bring us down to reality because I feel like you know look there are things going on here that undercut the coolness of what is going on right like there are moments like well what do you think about this the minute that girl gets appeared great scene putter great scene you are really I'm just going

15:48to say this before you go into whatever possible critique you have of that I've never that scene made me cry I've never seen in a movie a young woman get her period like that and another a little bit older woman so beautiful young woman take care of her that in that way well it wasn't she immediately asked when can she get a diaphragm that felt to me like a jump too far like that I don't know I'm not a woman I didn't know I'm a minute I have my period I'm like can I get a diaphragm so I gotta check like you want to control her body I don't think it's that weird control her body you're right Paul she shouldn't have safe sex I wanted to say yeah he's like I'm the demon in the concept is away from women I'm gonna be honest that's seen to me I thought this is revolutionary this is mandatory viewing for every young person and I can't I can't believe I'm seeing not only that not only that but what's in to me so revelatory about this

16:52movie an incredible about this movie is that beautiful heartfelt scene takes place at the end of a car chase yep where they have been shot at so they are shot at there is a suspenseful car chase they get away from a redneck in a truck shooting at teenagers they get away and putter is revealed to have gotten her period and they stop down to comfort her to talk to her and I was like this is incredible the movie work she's like way so now she's like now I guess I can get pregnant so I better get a diaphragm yes yes she's been having because she has been having sex I mean you're so you're so weird man you're so weird so you thought that was a her request for a diaphragm is because she's already having sex she's like I got to protect myself now before it wasn't a big deal now I guess I can't get pregnant so wow so that's where you went that's where you went with her line wow there's so many ways to read that line no one no there's so many ways

17:58to read that line this is what this is diaphragm propaganda thrown in our face time and time again one way is like she doesn't even really know what a diaphragm is and she's just like oh I know now in my period do I get a diaphragm that's first of all a totally reasonable thing for a young woman to say another possibility though is that yes she is interested in having sex and now she is worried about getting pregnant and so she does wonder if she can get a diaphragm well I'll be honest another totally reasonable reading I had a condom for years before every use it just to have it it just in case something jumped off just one just one just one in my checks box not not checks mix checks like my like oh boy this is worse like my box of checks like from the bank oh how old are you well you were gonna pay for it so yeah you're gonna get check out and you're

19:02getting your condom as a good guess haven't I have a lot of questions how old were you that you had like a bank account in checks old enough that I still wasn't having sex okay I'm just I mean like like mid teens I do feel the writing checks for oh I was writing checks constantly what are you are you getting I didn't write a check check for everything wow I don't check book on me at all times would write checks at the grocery store you write checks never no I was a latched I never wrote a check the last page Yes Rosalite sales

20:05I'm scared! I'm just gonna be... I'm just gonna be... All I will say is that... You know that binks... That binks... Binks does, I believe, you know, he's kind of examining that gun and in the examination of the gun, the trigger goes off, right? It's a... I guess so, yeah, this is an happens. And at that moment, I do believe there's like, oh my god, we just shot this man. We got to leave town. Very Texas. So I love it, right? Also, very kid. 100%. Right, let's run away from what we did. Now, if you tell me that at that moment, makes binks go, I'm never gonna hand a little gun again because I'm nervous about it. His mother fucker starts pulling guns all the time. Like, he saw the damage, right? He's like, oh, thank god. Oh, thank god. The guy says, oh, he's okay. He's not even in fair condition. He's in good condition. The radio DJs here, the radio DJs on the scene. How did the fucking radio guy get there with the minutes?

21:05I don't know. It's a local radio station. He said the beach at the end, two DJs are in the mix. These are the mix. These are the mix. All right. I loved how much local radio was part of the narrative. But the narrative still is, man shot by boy. And everyone's like, yeah, boy, let's go. Because now, now, look, she shoots him. I actually think this movie is so wildly ahead of its time. It's so many different ways, right? So she shoots the boy shoots the man. We have a typical boy man. It was a mad man scene. And they have a boy man shooting scene with woman watching. Now, why in that moment? And this is maybe where I am like, I am a little bit confused and I could have missed this. Why is Billie Jean getting all of the press? Because the boy shot the man. Billie was there watching.

22:05Huh. They don't show the boys in the jiggle. What a young schoolboy. Oh, I know why. I know what. Actually, so the rage of what's the guy's name? He's a huge dad. He's a rapist. Let's go on the rapist. The rapist. Yeah. So I didn't question that because I was like, he hates her so much, his son hates her so much, that that is the narrative of that moment, that she caused this. When they're in the yearbook, they're looking at their pictures in the yearbook. And it's like she caused this. She caused this because she didn't have sex with him. Right. It is her fault. And so that is sort of the narrative that's presented to the press. So he doesn't want to say to the press like, so you think on some level he said she shot me because he's the one who's the most angry because he's more nervous that she could come out and say the thing. He tried to rape me. Yeah. Right. Saying she shot me. She had me shot or she shot me basically. I mean, that guy is a dirt bag and this is the least.

23:07Oh, he's much worse than a dirt bag. Oh, he's just, I mean, I have no, I don't like Mr. Piotr. I do think what I'll say about him. Great business sense. I mean, in the world. He has a capitalist. Social media. Oh, yeah. Those posters are great. They're very kind of like, cool. They're very like Obama. I have to be honest. I hope, you know, it's like, I have to be honest. It's very style. I was watching my movie and it took everything. I want that merch. Yes. I think that we have to make that merch. I want every bit of it. It was like when we went to see Joni Mitchell and I was like, how do I buy everything that's available? Yes. And the answer was you couldn't because they wouldn't let you because I got to the front of that line. And they said, you can only have one of these shirts, one of these and a tote bag. You're a beret, which I bought. I did get the beret. But I'm not kidding. I just love the design of it.

24:07Let's see. Absolutely. I love the design of all of those hats, the hats, the t-shirts, everything. We got that going. When you talk about local business coming together to support, he's getting the artisans from the community. What style do you have? Great. I love the post. What I love that was it started as him hanging and signing to say, have you seen her? Yes. She needs to be busted. And then teenagers are coming to be like, I want that. She's an icon to me. And it's a great scene because he's like, these kids, you got to get them. I hate these kids and the kids. It's not for sale. And I'll give you more. And then he's like, okay. Now it is for sale. And then he scales up immediately. So fast that it seems like he would be actually okay with her staying on the run to make more money. It's a money make the longer she's on the lamb and loose. The posters are moving. All right. But I love about this movie is it starts immediately. Before the opening credits are done, the bike is ruined and we are in motion.

25:11So it is, we're being rocketed through all of these elements because what I love about it is, it is, yes, it is this kids on the run movie. But then it's also like this weird, like the, the chunk, it's all vignettes, right? And the vignette where they go into the abandoned, what they think is the abandoned house in its own house. I love this. This is one of the, and again, I love that actor. I love their relationship. I love the way he supports her. Great. Why should I do it? Well, you're a Billie Jean. Love all that. I'm on it. But I do have some questions about this house. What was he setting up? Why were there so many cameras? And what was the plan for the night? Because it seems like for him or for him. It seems like he had set up a haunted house for one that he was not expecting visitors to come into. I mean, what luck? What? And I'll be honest, if you don't mind, I'll be honest, Paul, this seems like something you would have done. Jason set up on a night of Friday nights set up in your house, a haunted house for one,

26:15and then God damn it if the most beautiful woman didn't just walk through the door to eat your chocolate cake and get chased around by you. Everything about that is true. Except for the beautiful woman coming into my house. I did at many times, I blew up skeletons. I set them around my kitchen table. I had some shrunken heads. I would hang from the wall. I was a big fan of cobwebs. So I was putting that all up in the house on a Friday night. Not for the episode, a big fan of cobwebs, Paul Sheer. Yeah. Big fan of, so I had, I was, I'm there. I'm doing, I'm doing all that as, but so the cameras, I'll be kind and say the cameras are to kind of give us a sense that his dad may be up to some shady shit. Who knows? Because the camera was checking on him. So dad's watching those that life, I think it's, I don't think he was watching it in that moment, but I think it's like spying on the house. Okay. So then purpose. Because he's like, I don't know, he's got the equipment.

27:16Okay. So then the other question is, was that food a trap? Was that a hot girl trap? Like if we put enough chicken in the window, girls will come in and eat it. They'd be not a windowsill. And if the partners had been like, they do kind of, they do kind of see it and they go in and they have the best sign of all time, which is rich food isn't supposed to taste like what it is. Yeah. Great line. I love that. I love the class warfare depicted in this movie. I love that it is. They are constantly being dismissed because they are trailer trash. They are, they are, and it's all the rich people who are like fuck you, fuck them. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Dean Stockwell basically being like, fuck shoot him. Fucking shoot him. Who cares? The sharp shooters coming in and not just one. Now and you are multiple sharp shooters who have been on board for. They can't let you on board for. Who has not killed anyone who has done no violence. Well, there's also, there's an incredible moment.

28:18This is a beautiful film. There's an incredible moment at the police station when she first goes to report that her brother's bike has been assaulted. I mean, it was really something very terrible happened to that bike. And she wants the back. And him. I'm sorry. And him. And him. And him. And he goes to report to the cop and he says, I promise you, if that bike's not on your front lawn in two days and she goes, I don't have a front lawn. I'm, I live in, I was about to say widow's Bay and I know that's not right. But whatever the trailer park is. Take, take us, take us back to the Bay. Whatever the trailer, she said I live in the trailer park. And he, he, he sort of recognizes it and readjusts. And I was like, wow, this movie is way more than you think it is. Oh, yes. All I'm thinking is this. All I'm thinking is this. This is seriously what I'm thinking. Peter Coyote. Worked for the government.

29:18And he fucking finds out, hey, there's a disturbance at this fucking house in California. So gets involved in the whole ET thing. He's like, you know what? I'm out. I am out of this business. I don't want to terrorize kids anymore. I fucking did that. I fucking killed their dog, alien. I'm upset. I'm moving to Texas. I'm going to work a desk job. He gets there and she walks in the door. He's like, fuck, here I go. I'm fucking dr- Every time I think I'm back at, every time I'm out, these fucking kids are pulling me back in to their bullshit. And I'm looking at Peter Coyote. He's like, I should have hung up those keys. I've gotten out and I'm looking at Peter Coyote. I think this is a sequel to ET for Peter Coyote. There's one of them. I liked also that he's sussed everything that was going on with her. And then when he's talking to Huebe's dad, he also immediately susses out that he was a sketchball to her. Yes. When he's like, she's an attractive woman or a girl or something. You know what I mean? He's like also gets that this guy fucking. When I say I like Peter Coyote, before everyone's like, w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-w.

30:19Now we're talking about Peter Coyote. Because it was the first thing you said. It's the best. One of the best characters in the movie because he- He is a great character. He is a great character. Kids to adults. See, there it is. He wants the movie to be about adults. Here's the end of the video. He's got to stick up for the rest of the kids, right? No. No, what I actually- No, what I love about this movie is every adult is bad. Except for Peter Coyote. Every adult is- Well, all right, a couple on that aren't. The guy at the bell is okay. I don't think their mom is bad. I don't think their mom is bad. I think their mom is doing the best she can. But I will say- I love when their mom was getting ready for a date. And she- At first I thought she'd put a white mouse down her blouse. And then I realized she was just- Really? Everybody was so sweaty. Also the sweat, the heat. The way that it was portrayed. Disgusting place. Oh, beautiful. And the way they talk about- They talk about Vermont. Like it's something from it. Bromance fan. Bromance fan. It's hilarious. I do want to just- Take a moment. Talk about Vermont. Because- I get it. It's-

31:19Almost doing his nit pic stance now. I get it. It's the 80's. We don't- We have encyclopedias. We can't see everything. This movie does posit though. It thinks it's shot. Obviously. Later in the movie. When we're in Vermont at the end, they're in knee deep snow in Vermont. Now I know climate change is real. Now, I know climate change is real, but I feel like we're in the dead of summer, and he's still got that cast on. I'm like, it's not snowing in Vermont in August. Come on, guys. We'll just see a nice Vermont. You know what, mine? I want the audience at home to recognize that this audience didn't give that anything. Here, you know what? No. Because we know that they earned that snow every inch of it. Yeah. Yeah. T-S-No! Very fair! Very fair! Very fair! Fairies here! No, it's not. I'm gonna give you Paul. I'm gonna give you Paul what you seem to want in need,

32:19which is an adult reading of the movie, or an adult framework, or lens through which to look at it. I see it as a kid movie. Which is the one that was dead Fred as well, is through the Fred's eyes. That's absolutely right, which is interesting. But I will give you actually an adult lens, because I think this is such a fair reading of the movie, and there were many times during it, I was reading the movie this way, which was about motherhood. Now, she is a mother figure to her younger brother, and she is taking care of his mistakes left and right, and trying to do right by him, because he is continually getting them into trouble. And at a certain point, as so many mothers can relate to this, she does fucking lose it. And I was like, absolutely, I understand this. You've gone insane, because you are over, you know, worked, and tired, and all of it. And I was like, this is a beautiful portrayal

33:20of an older sister, but is really about a mother figure. Well, to me, I agree, and the note that I made in this was I loved their found family of misfit kids who run away together and are on the road, and it reminded me of Red Dawn and the Wolverines, and that group of teenagers who have to come together and be their own version of the movie. Never saw it. Never seen Red Dawn? No. Who did it on the list? Yes, that's all right. I saw Ryzen's son with Sean Connery, and... Oh, I think... Oh, can we do Red Dawn for the show, please? I mean, that's a good movie. So is this. So is this. I didn't understand why we were doing it. I will just say this. When she walks into Kenny's house, she did what again, so many women, adult women do, which is, I know a child is hurting, and I don't know what to do

34:21and what is expected of me there, and what's so beautiful about that scene, is she's scared. And she doesn't know what's gonna happen. And she does it anyway. She doesn't... It's not like she always acts like a badass or always... She's not... This is so cool about the movie. She is not a badass. Nope. She is meeting these moments in the best way she can, and she is a kind heart, and she's doing the best she can, but this is not a superhero. Well, every scene she's trying to end the chaos that is spiraling out of control. And take care of the younger people. What I think, I mean, look, now to go not funny for a moment, I'll say what I think is really interesting about this, is a lot of the times when we see strong women, the idea is that they'll kick somebody's ass, right? So if that movie, that scene is in a movie right now, she'd go in there and beat the fuck out of this old man, and he'd be like, never touch that kid again, but she doesn't. She just kind of looks at him and stares at him, and he's like... And she is scared in that moment. Right, but he also knows I've been caught.

35:21Just by being seen, he's been caught, which is what she's doing over there, and I also think, you know, you have a lot of moments here, where an older woman is looking out for a younger boy, which is very much not the case in any 80s movie, where it's always like the older brothers looking out for the younger sister, so that's cool. But now I'll go back to my other part of this movie, where I go, now let me ask you this. No. No, this is a subversive tale. This is new. This is a revolutionary narrative. But it's a frame of its own self. How they go to the fucking mall. Here's a radio guy out talking to people, right? And they're like, huh, how do we drill in feminism? And he goes, well, that's a woman's perspective. No shit. You interviewed a woman. There is like a woman's perspective. Well, but I think that is relevant to the times. Yeah, that's the questions that we have. Where you could dismiss a woman's perspective. You think he was dismissing it? I thought he was like underlining it for the audience. Like, I felt like someone, like, I was like a studio note. And then I just make sure that we hear it's, like, it's,

36:22there's a feminist. By the way. Absolutely. I can't imagine that was a studio note in any, this movie, I think, is just making, like, it's old. Oh, you're going to be so upset. Really? All right. Let's hear it. Well, I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't, let's see. See, now he's going to go to his, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'll just tell you that you'll be upset. I'll reveal it later. Oh, great. But no, but here's what I will say. This director who came in, I think, fought very hard to unpack a script that was very 80s. And I think that these are all the little moves that he did that make Sir Strong. And I think, look, honestly, it's $600 that much. And I did do some research. And it's about $1,860 now in, you know, and fair is fair. It could have been $34. For a kid, a whole description. I want my $2. $2. But, Paul, it sounds like you're saying that, like, it's a low amount. Yeah, what are you saying? Are you saying, I'm just saying the mischief. You saying that's not much money? I think the Mr. Piat should have paid it.

37:22I just can't be. I just can't be. And just to go back to her not being extraordinary and how that was such a powerful choice, even when she changes into her. Joan of Arc. Yes, when she becomes a part of this. Why won't I ask you about this? When she cuts her hair and the first shot is in the reflection of the pool. I was like, this is cinema. I thought it was not. I thought it was not. I thought it was not. I thought it was not. This is a very controversial moment. The haircut. Why? Because this movie was made by Peter Gruber, I believe, right, the producer, who was like Barbara Streisand. It's Unroberto. Yeah. John Peters and Peter Gruber. Right. And one of them was a hairdresser who became like the head of a studio. John Peters. Right, so our producer. So he is mechanical spider in Wild Wild West. Yes. That's John Peters. So the director and the actors felt like she should have cut her own hair. It should not have been this stylized or cool.

38:24Now I will argue that I thought when she came out, it was a very cool moment. And I did not see that reading of it. But he was so obsessed with the hair and the haircut. And that people were like, oh, you make her more masculine to come. Like, there's a lot of talk about this. Haircut reveal. Like, honestly. The best reveal I've ever seen is the single greatest haircut ever. The Rachel can get fought as far as I'm concerned. I can't believe it. And this. You're talking about Jennifer Anderson's haircut in movie cake? Yes. Not only that. Really deep. But the one-two punch of this and Mary Stewart Masters in short blonde. Oh, some kind of wonderful. Some kind of wonderful. I was locked in a tight for me that I was like, Rebel girl short hair plays drums. Yeah. Crazy. You hardly smithly not cut her hair for the movie. She's like, I will never do that haircut. Oh, that's all we got. Okay. So. I'm okay with that.

39:24I'm fine with that. But so at the, are you saying that she wanted to, the downside are wanted to the haircut to look more jagged and like she. I think that they wanted her. I think that the, a lot of the people involved work. We want her to take scissors to her own hair and cut it to look like, like the way, like, so that it looked like Joan of Arc. So, like, it's not cool. Right. Yes. And I think that it looks cool. It looks, well, it looks like she went to a fucking salon. Like, I mean, and, and by the way, I'm not picking up on that. That's in my research after that. That you bother me. No, I'm like, this is cool. But I'm a little bit out of this board for the movie. I'm in the bag for the movie. So. And so are they. Right. I think they are too good. I think they're like, oh, you're being so true to the moment. And so, the thing that I think that's seen is also like, like, the sex scene that's not a sex scene. Like, when they're in the, the, the final hole of the minigaw, I don't know where they're living. But they seem to be living in the final hole. I don't like you saying, I don't like you saying the final hole repeatedly. Concerning what goes on in that castle. It feels like it's the final hole. But here's the interesting thing about the movie.

40:25And this is why. I've only had the most bed space. Even though I loved, I love that this movie is about children. I did strongly connect to it as a piece about motherhood because it wasn't, there was no teen sexuality in here. Right. There was no, the, the chemistry between the two of them was sweet at best. But it never felt like. Hornish. No. Like in a, in a way that it's about that. Did you say it was sexy? Yes, but then there are other times I was like, oh, I think this, I think she is a lesbian. And there's chemistry between, I'm serious. But there's another like very queer reading of the movie where it's like, oh, no, she's, there was something going on. There's one moment where she's looking at one of those girls who, that when she's in like the underground railroad of Billie Jean and then she cried. I cried. And then she's like, you know what? There is a very intense moment between the two of them. And I was like, oh, is this why her chemistry with what's his face is, with Lloyd is very kind and very lovely.

41:25And I love his relationship to her. But it is not sexual. But do you think that he is sexy? Yeah. I actually thought he played that really well because I feel like that is the right person for her to be attracted to in the sense that he is not like a straight-up, like, honky ladies. Well, what I love is that I also liked about it is she, even while accumulating people along the way, she remains like the leader of the whole group. You know, like it's not like some guy comes in and is like, okay, you love me now. So I'm the guy. You know, taking over. Here's the thing that I was upset about. You know, this could have been shitty, you know. I don't know who said that, but I think it was Alfredočka. Because when you establish a Wolfman mask in the first act, you have to bat off in the third act. Why don't we get that Wolfman mask in the third act? Well, here's my version of that. Yeah. Is if you twice hit on the head that he needs to take asthma pills, mustn't there be a moment in the third act where he has an asthma attack and needs attention?

42:26Now, I will also say, I didn't care. I didn't care. I will also say the dream's point, the queer reading of the movie, I think you could further it by saying, then by having binks dress up as a woman, that's a very powerful moment too. Very powerful moment. But then he's looking really nearly with that gun. No, but can I tell you it's not about the gun. It's not about the gun. He gets shot because he is in women's clothing. Okay. I'm serious. That is why there's something very homophobic about what's happening in that moment. And where their masculinity is thrown into masculine chaos, all of the men of this community, when they see it. Because they're waving around their guns. Yes, and that is why they shoot him. It is not because they think he is a real threat with that gun. Well, if already been told, binks is gun isn't real. Yes. They've been told without a shadow of a doubt, binks is gun is not real.

43:30I know I'm going to take heat for this. Uh-oh. You can just pot our mics down. But man, oh man, they don't make fake guns like they used to. I... Well, it did make me think. I agree. And it did make me think because like you're saying, like he's flashing and right, guns were so prominent. I had a lot of gun gun in my belt all the time. I had gun... Back of my... In the back like Magnum, a gun. Yeah, I had guns all over my house. I had them in the drawer and then there was a moment where I liked a girl and I was like, I have to throw away my boy things to become a man. And I remember collecting all my guns and walking out to the dumpster behind my apartment building. You feel very emotionally manipulated towards me. Wait, was that girl... Was that girl June? Was that girl June? No, but... Because I'm feeling for you. I know, and I got all my guns together, but I had so many guns and none of them had any orange on them in any way.

44:35So much so that my mom would tell me a story that... Look, I don't know. Maybe my parents are liars, but at this story I want to believe is being true. I can't wait to read your mom's book. That... That I had left a gun on the back seat of my grandfather's car. And the cops came into a restaurant in which he was eating and pulled a gun on him thinking that he had a gun out in his car. And then he had to explain he was his grandson's gun. And all I'm saying is, those guns were fun. Well, I will say... So I watched this with our oldest son in it, that part. He was like, but why were the guns in that store? And I was like, oh, he's like, isn't it a toy store? And I was like, yeah, it is. But why were they selling guns there? And I was like, those are toy guns. But they don't look like Nerf guns. I'm like, they're not Nerf guns. So it was a real, he was blown away by those guns.

45:35And what you prized so much about them was their authentic look. They look really real. I had a Walter P.P.K. that looked great. It was a James Bond gun. Now, are you two going to start some sort of a campaign to bring back realistic children's guns? Why not? Yes. Absolutely. But I can tell you that every one of these movies fucked up. I did this. I made guns. We are making guns for guns. We are making guns for guns. Realistic looking toy guns. From our favorite out of this campaign podcast. I loved, I loved the, the Lloyds house has a water slide into the pool. And then all goes up. This is what's great about the movie is that yes, it is like you start the movie. And it's like it jumps in straight away. He tries to rape her. She, he gets shot there on the run. They are, they do, they go on so many different things. Then they get to Lloyds house and it stops down. And almost becomes a John Hughes movie for a little while.

46:35Except she never goes on the slide. That's what I was about to say. That he gets down there, Lloyd, and he looks up and she's rapturously watching Joan of Arc. And the rest of the movie is her becoming Joan of Arc. And then there's, they burn an effigy of her at the end. And I was like, this is cinema. It's crazy. But all I could think of while there was a powerful moment was all those local artisans. All their work destroyed. All those adults. All those adults being harmed. I think that I look, everything I know about Mr. P. All I think about Mr. P. That is that he is using the local youth art scene to his advantage. Those are great kids. That's a young shepherd fairy out there who got abused by Mr. P. Yeah, he's going to rape you one way or the other. And that's true because that's no, no, no, because that was why that is not a pull quote you want out there. But, but he is right. And that's what's so sophisticated about the movie is that he's not a mustache twirly villain.

47:37He is. He is. He does have a mustache, but he is victimizing this young woman and then making money. And then profiting off of her image. It's so fast. I'll be thinking about it for a long time. I love all of this. And I know I'm a broken record apologies, but I love how much the movie exists just from the children's point of view, including when they make the video tape. They send like a five year old into the police station. My favorite moment. And by the way, What is it with them? I was like, fuck, yeah. But when they said, didn't you feel like when they said who gave this to you that he just he knew, but he wasn't gonna tell them? Because all the great actors, everything because they all hang out at the headquarters of the Billy Jean underground railroad. I didn't know what that place was, but I loved it. I loved it. I want to watch her, her tape.

48:37This is her video. There we go. That one's like, look at that tape. They're over here, they're over there on the day. I'm not. I'm Billy Jean Davie. Can you pause? Can you pause, Paul? Yeah. This is just a wetsuit she cut the sleeves off of. The single dangly earring. This is actual sexuality right here. This is my mind exploding as a teenage. As you're saying it, I'm seeing it, but I thought that was a pair of glasses that she fashioned into an earring. No. I thought she popped out the legs is, and she's like, earring. Do me the arm band is the sleeve that she cut off? I'm not sure, but it's the color match. The only thing I was upset by, because I was so taken with this too, but then I was like, Decaydie Perry, like, bottle wearing higher brand and look off of this. I could get lost in Helen Slater's eyes. Those beautiful pools of green. I do feel bad because Helen Slater is great, and she had super girl,

49:41which we did on the show, and this. And can I get my favorite performance? And she means a lot to me from city slickers. Yes. By the way, that is such a beautiful performance. Recently just got her doctorate in mythology. No surprise. But let's just watch a tape because I do have a couple of things. And Helen Slater and Christian Slater unrelated. Unrelated. Unrelated. A Christian Slater thought it would be so cool to marry her because then they wouldn't have to change names. Well, also because she is absolutely gorgeous. Sure. I'm not a liar. I'm not a thief. And neither is my brother. Hello, mom. Sorry, that's you. Mom, I don't know who will be coming home, but we love you. I know people are making up stories about us. Don't you believe in? As for you, Mr. Pant, you are so sleazy. Yes. You think that you can do anything you want and then lie about it and we just have to take it.

50:45Because what are just a bunch of kids who love this town? And now all we're doing is our way. I'm a posit for one second. I guess the thing that was frustrating to me is I'm going through the kid's point of view. You're mad. You've been wrong. You're on the wrong. This mother fucker at a gas station saying that you robbed me. You didn't fucking rob him. Right. So that's fine. Is she respecting Mr. Pant, whatever the fuck his name is, by not saying this guy tried to rape me. Why do we hide that away? I'm like, just say it. Say it so everyone hears it. It's so like under the table. I think it was maybe it was that. We never is fully said out loud. And it's like, why are you protecting this? She says it at the end. She says it at the end in front of everybody. Right. She calls him sleazy in this, but she does not say it in the video. But here's on saying you want to get an army. You say this guy tried to rape me and he did. I don't know if you get an army. I think if you're from the trailer park in 1980, whatever, my reading of it is just that she's,

51:48it's not even, that's not even available to her. To say that because she's not worried about her own needs in that way. So I go back to her as a caretaker because she is trying to get her brothers. Right. Okay, this might have happened to her numerous times. Or like she might have had a lot of creepy guys. So that's like not the lead story. The lead story is that yeah, this guy got shot because in the accident. And at the beginning they do a, I mean, bear minimum of a little bit of work where Hubey and his friends are multiple times bullying and harassing them. There's a lot, there's a reading to say that like what maybe in that, in that harassment, that he may have died. It could be a Jacob Zlatter situation. All through Blinks's point. Wait, who could have died? Blinks. Blinks. Wait, who's Blinks? Jar Jar Blinks. Jar Jar Blinks. Jar Jar Blinks. Jar Jar Blinks. The senator from Nablooh. Here's what I have. Admiral Piot from Star Wars. It's a trap. I wanted to know more about what happened to the dad.

52:49We don't ask those questions in the Texas River. He went out to mine oil on a deep sea rig. He was pulled up to a moon mission to go. He was a land man out in Texas. That's part of why I think it goes back to your question of like why didn't she say anything about this guy because it seemed to me from everything the way she's been interacting with the teenage boys, the way she's been interacting with like the lure around her father seems like a deadbeat that men are, it's not even to be dealt with. They are who they are and she has her head down and is trying to live her life. I think that's true. I think another reading on it is I think all of the children in this movie operate from the point of view of we will not be believed. Like our stories will not be adults control our lives and we will not be, justice will not be happening for us. And how cool would it have been in the final scene for that dude with the fucking belt,

53:50the child abuser, to be like and I got one final belt weapon coming up for you. And he fucking gets in there for a final scene. To the man, to Mr. P.O. Oh, I'm not a fucking sick old crazy person. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you've framed them. I know. Do you think that that's what you want? No, no, no, no. I would agree. I would have been a finely belt guy gets to punish Billie Jean. I would have liked, I would have liked. I would have liked. Because finally someone's got to keep these kids in line. Why not belt dad? I would have liked this episode. I would have liked. I would have liked. And you were ending pro belt dad. I would have liked belt dad to be like this. Watching that video on TV. He's like, yeah. Fuck yeah, Billie Jean. And then he goes, I'm going to find, I'm going to go to that beach. And I'm going to, I'm going to now be a part of the army. I'm not a child anymore. But maybe I'm acting like a child because I don't know how to actually verbalize, how to treat a child.

54:50So I'm not an adult. So I am a child. But I'm fucking, I got to take out my anger on an adult. Because I'm mad at my job. And then he goes there. You think he's out? He's out. He's out. Because his wife left him and he's taking it all out of his thumb. He's taking it all out of his thumb. He's taking it all out of his thumb. He's taking it all out of his thumb. His wife is fucking some guy at the bar that she works out. So it's the woman's problem? No. Just take it out. When that's easy, it doesn't have the tools. When Gus and I were watching this part with belt dad, this part with belt guy, we were screaming at the TV, kill him, kill him. Oh, I loved when the dad first starts yelling at Billy Jean. Yeah. Then he looks at all the kids are in the window. Oh, it's a bit of, it's an amazing, it's amazing. It is so good. It was like, oh shit, the kids are here. Let's go to the audience because I know they probably all agree with me. No, everybody, welcome to the part where you remember. You remember, this is a show. You don't have to attack me.

55:50But we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about Billy Jean. We're going to ask you or answer your questions. Like, let's see what we got here. Hi, I have a question all the way back here. What's your name? I'm Kristen. First, I want to let you know the reason that Binks' dad is not there is because they mentioned he's dead. They got the bike from the insurance. It's a very throwaway line in that. But my question is, why did they, when they were announcing what the car they were in? Why didn't no one ever mention, hey, we're looking for a car that has a name and a giant trailer part. Yeah, that is a defining car. The car is so identifying and they don't seem to be going far from Corpus Christi at all. They seem to be, they really do seem to be, one of the things I did love about it and I love that kid logic of it. There's a scene where they go, they're in a late model sedan and she's like, late model my ass. I didn't know what, yeah, the station wagon. I got a lot of, I love, and we talked about it a little bit in the part where they do the car chase and then it goes straight into putter getting her period. The same thing is like, they shoot Mr. Rapist guy.

56:50They jump in the car, they go away and she immediately pulls into a gas station because she's got to get gas or her dad's going to be mad. And I was like, yes, this is kid logic. It's like, what fuck, we just shot somebody but my dad's going to be mad if I don't get gas. Go, go, go, go, go. All right, your name, your question. Evan, and if the whole point of the revolution is to kind of revolt against the rapist actions, then why are they buying t-shirts from him? They don't know. They don't know. That's the thing. The people buying the merch didn't know that he was the villain. And when Billy, that is the combination. But what do they think he is? Because that's the question that I have. What could he have been? He was shot. So he's like, I'm profiteering off of her. Like, what is his point of view? He's like, get her. But also buy this merch. I don't get what, like, where the connection is. Like, you're buying it from the victim who is using the person who heard it's a weird... Does anybody out here want to get Paul while he's out there?

57:52But I mean, but I do, I mean, the lot I mean, you just call him the victim. He's profiteering. He's the victim. He's the victim. He's the real. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. To everybody in, we can all agree that everybody sees him as the victim. He was shot by this person, but yet his store is packed. He's selling tons of merch. Well, maybe it's sort of sending up like consumer's culture and how we just... So it's a satirical take. I do think the point is valid. John Wiltspoon's selling Lincoln hats. They do know. They do know. They don't know he's a rapist, but they do know he was shot by them. Right, right. But we're rallying around her. So if we're rallying around her, he is bad. Yeah. I'm sorry. I think that he is profiting off of her because he is saying this person shot me.

58:53All right. That's the thing. I think he's kind of changed his narrative. And we see it in the moment where he's trying to upsell those posters. He is, he will tell them whatever they want to hear. And he's excited to be a part of the story. I don't think people think like, oh, he's trying to get her. I don't think kids, teenagers, buying the shirt, think they're financing a rapist. Definitely not. Definitely not. Definitely not. They know that they don't. But we are excited that he was shot for reasons on explainer. We've been on explainer. Yes. Well, no. I would say Texas. Like Texas based on the radio reports and stuff like that. Story is, man is shot by woman. She's a hero. Like there's no more, there's no more to the story. I'm just like, I'm not even trying to be funny on this. I'm like, I'm really like, that is like the narrative of the movie. Wrong. Yeah. Tell me how. I know. I'm just wrong. Tell me how. This guy over here's got it. Yeah, just wrong. All right, because him.

59:53All right. Tell me. Well, I trust him. He's got it. Guys, everybody can. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I would love it. I'm just saying this from the logic of the movie states that all the people know is that she shot this person for no reason. Uh, well, they don't know that it's for no reason. The reason it's not just he shot her. There's a whole conspiracy. Okay. He comes downstairs and says these kids had this whole plan to rob me. It was her job to get me upstairs and distract me while the two of them opened the register. Okay. But the reason why it's not like, yay, she's a hero. It's more like a Bonnie and Clyde situation. Like these kids are on the run for shooting an adult. Cool. But like in a Bonnie and Clyde. Okay, so there. Okay, I like that. So it's like, it's like natural born killer. Now this is. It's kid. Again, it's kid logic. It's kids versus adults. Now, by the way, this is, we'll talk about this in a little bit. It is based on true story. Um, I think it's interesting is the majority of the kids that are in the movie are young kids.

1:00:54It's not like it's a bunch of 19 years old. Oh, you're 90. It's not like rivers edge. Let me go back to Tim just because I don't want to like say something and walk away from me and say, but would you buy the buying the Bonnie and Clyde situation? You would be supporting the person robbed. Kind of. Okay. All right. I don't think supporting the person Rob. Well, yeah, because Mr. Because like, that's what they're doing, right? Also, by the way, but I think you're putting the lens of like this moment we're in right now where we feel powerless is just citizens. And so buying things intentionally from people we think are good and want to support is even a constant. I guess in a way when Trump gets shot in the face, we are buying those fucking coins with them getting shot in the face. But we're not buying it. We're buying it from Trump. We're not. We're not. I know. I know. But when you say we're buying those coins, the we I'm assuming is you in June.

1:01:56You never know what's going to go up in value. Funko pops, Trump coins. No, but I guess it would be like I just have never seen. I get it. I mean, I get it. You are. It's interesting for this movie. You are unwilling to suspend disbelief for certain logical. The movie is supposed to be straight and narrow. This could have happened. Why? It's not fantasy. What? It's not fantasy. This movie. How is this different from pump up the volume? That's a good one. Well, pump up the volume does have some real world stakes where they come and they kind of break in the house with the. How is this different? Well, like we're rooting for Christian Slater in that. Well, because Christian Slater is running a pirate radio station. He's not like running around shooting people. I mean, like he's like, hey, everybody listen to Sonic youth. It's like, well, yeah, sure. I mean, it's like cool, but I'm not breaking the laws breaking the law. All right. I guess. Yeah, he's on the FF. Yes, he's. See. I love that movie. Anyway, I haven't rewatched it in years. All right. Hi.

1:02:56What's your name? What's your question? I'd love to do that. Yeah. David. Are we going to start doing good movies now? We got to do seven minutes in heaven. We got you. We should do it. We should do it in heaven. Yes. Hi. David. So the mall scene. The health == You know, I'm glad that you get less information about the major of landscape На sq og sq complete privacy of the four hour system we're using over a way. We said I'm going into PewDiePie breaking our life. I'm kidding. Jason. I was happy that it's characterized. And I wasn't like watch it. I'm not like he came back during the past of his shoot. So I could keep it warm and calm. I'm gonna go back to the top. Then he's on the news later saying, I didn't trust the cops. I wanted to do it my way. Basically, he says, they should have all worn the news. They should have all worn cups. It's a lot, she becomes a legend because of basically pretty privilege that that creepy guy taking all the photos,

1:03:57if they're hadn't been the hot photo of her, coming out of the water like Phoebe Kates and Fast Times, they wouldn't care about her being a hero. That's what it was. I see, I see. Now we're talking some truth. Sure, sure. No, was it really, it was a really important photo. Yeah, hi, what's your name? Your question, hi. I'm Jane. In answer to your question about why she didn't say in the tape, you tried to rape me because it's not her responsibility. Thank you. Are you asking why women don't get forward more? Thank you so much. No, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, thank you so much for saying that. I was, he's like, do you want to sit here for two hours? I'll listen to an earner's discussion of this movie. I'm providing a point of view that's necessary for the show. Now here's the thing. What I was going to say was that, but I did feel at that point, as this guy is growing in this world, why be coy, why protect that guy? Not like, and I can understand your point of view

1:04:59that she doesn't have to do. She's not protecting him. She's not protecting him. No, I think, you know, she's protecting herself. She's protecting that guy. Yeah, kid, he's an adult. He has all the power she has none. But yeah, she does it in front of everybody at the end. Well, and honestly, the moment I had the same question. Yeah. But then I realized that I was like, playing into that whole, like, victim shaming. Right. So yeah, she can do with her story of what happened in that attic, annex, whatever she cares to do with it. She can never speak about it again. She can speak about it as every day. She can do with it whatever she pleases. That's it, Paul. Guys, I'm trying to be like, this is not the... Wow. I know you want to, but you keep on walking. First right there. All right. Yeah, hey, what's your name? What's your question? Hey, my name's Chris. I may have to rethink the way I saw this movie if this doesn't land. But did anyone else think that the sladers

1:05:59were dating in the first 10 minutes? Yeah. Everybody did. Everybody did. Well, I just, I thought Zoops would bring it up. Oh, we can't. You thought I would bring it up? You even locked himself into this position. Oh, no, because I saw this at such a young age and it imprinted on me that they are just brother and sister. But before you know that, that's the brother and sister. But that scene where they're going to see him and then they're swimming and then see him. I hear you, man. I hear you playing around in the water with their finger. I hear you. But do you do know that when the... Yes, I thought it was hot zoops. Yes. Thank you. Finally, one person just a little bit. Fucking a low. And I tell you though that... Check out that guy's Google search history. Can I tell you? I actually thought it wasn't yet another breathtakingly beautiful scene when he thinks she's been eaten by an alligator. Yes. And the length of time they spent with that and the fear and you see his little kid and she's his protector. I thought it was like this. But she's terrorizing him. And I thought it was breathtakingly beautiful that she wasn't wearing a bra and was swimming in a crop top.

1:07:02The movie can be read so many and received so many ways. Oh, right. Yeah, just what's your name? What's your question? I'm Jill. I just want to comment, Jason, I squealed when you mentioned this movie the other day on the show. I remember I watched this with my mom as a teenager and when it was over, she's like, I think we need to watch this again. Yes. That's so... It's just such an important, nice movie. It is wild. Wild to me that this movie was made and got as far as it did because there's so many different things. Even in that scene, I know we haven't talked about too much but that I don't want to call it a sexy but the scene inside the last hole. Like I think that that's a really powerful moment. Like when she says, I don't know who I am. Yes. And he goes, you are Billie G. I felt that like a really like... For that, for again, this movie is very subtle in so many ways that it should be a teenager who becomes an icon. Just trying to do the right thing.

1:08:04And what is kind of even more interesting about it to a certain extent is how it was hated. This movie was hated when it came out. Like ripped apart and reviews and just destroyed. And it's so interesting that like in a time where this is 80, whatever it is, 85, it's back to the future, it's Indiana Jones. Like all so many things. This is like kind of this lost movie but it does feel like one of those movies that... Like collectively, we're like, nope, not ready for this story. Well, it's interesting because the framework of it could look like you mentioned natural porn. Killers earlier, Badlands is an example. Abonnie Clyde was mentioned. It could be that, but it's not. These, they're not on a gleeful shooting spree. They are not holding up places. They are rep being... I would argue for and represent it as if that's what they are but they are always trying to just end this by getting justice. I would argue in a way by having her not shoot him.

1:09:04It's a more powerful movie because it actually makes it more complicated in an interesting way. Like she is just protecting her brother who did commit the crime. And even though people don't know the exact relationship of all that sort of stuff, I mean, that's just a more complicated choice. I can't get less. This is why the fact that she is not extraordinary to extract Kenny from that home, which is a detour the movie kind of takes, there is nothing she's written there about that act. Those fucking kids, they're all hanging around listening and just could get beaten. They're like, we're not gonna do anything. Because that is what she inspires. That is what she inspires that were stronger together that they become the threat. Oh, well, the little kid hanging on the tree. That's what kids used to do. You used to be out in the streets together running around. That's what it was. There was just kids in the streets. Not on phones. Raking watch. Scooters without helmets. Okay, hi, what's your name? What's your question? My name is Beniel.

1:10:04I think the movie also posits that the people buying all the stuff are not the real ones. The real ones are out there cutting the sleeves off of their wet suits in the morning. I think it's important. Also, I had that exact scooter growing up and it was straight bitchin. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But can I ask, let me ask you a question. Can I just say something? How do you do that much damage to like, what were they doing to this scooter? Here's the thing that the scooter is such a charged object in this movie because they don't have a lot of money. And I remember the feeling of being a kid and wanting something so badly. And her knowing how important that thing was to him, it wasn't, and this is why fair is fair. It's not about the scooter. It's about his sense of feeling he should have it and that he deserves to have the scooter. Not just that, but as we were just reminded, it was bought with the money that was a result of his father passing away. And the scooter wasn't broke in a representation

1:11:06of his lost father. And the dad does talk like kit from nightriders sometimes. Get this scooter, which we don't hear because it's not really part of the main board. What's his name from saying else? We're doing it the voice, yes. Oh, make sure. No, ow, ow, ow, ow, put me back. Bring me back to my son. That's true, it was awesome. Can we get our singers to come down to that corner? Yes, your name and your question. My name is Amy. And is this all just anti-capitalist propaganda? You know what, this is so, I do believe that this movie is hiding some of these thoughts because they're burnt. I mean, at the end of the movie, they're burning the murk. There's so much in this movie that's way ahead of it's time. It's no surprise to me that it wasn't received when it came out critically because it is very progressive. It is. And that basic idea, which by the way, I feel like we could learn from right now that she doesn't have, she doesn't resort to violence, but she is not an extraordinary human being. And she is very, very average in a beautiful way

1:12:11because she just continues to show up and try to do the right thing. And I want to talk just for a second, say, like, you be, you know, look, he gets a lot of grief. And listen, and, and, sure, he fucked up the bike, but he's a kid. Kids will be kids. And here's the thing. You be what? You be. You be. I'm not at all. Bear, it's bear. I just was. You're right. And that's why we need to celebrate his artistry of light bulbs in shells. We didn't tell, like, he seems so, like, yeah, he's a, I think I gotta be a monster with my dickhead friends, but I really like putting light bulbs in shells. And when we see him. I'm a monster until the very end of the movie. When he watches his dad spiral out and he kind of, like, slinks away, like the meme of Homer Simpson going into the bushes. But, like, even up until the end of the beach, he's like, it's her brother. It's not her. Yes. Runs out. He's the one that gets him shot, basically. I think Hubey starts the movie of villain,

1:13:14ends the movie of villain. It's, he is really not redeemed until 40 years later during his Halloween. Yes. And then he really, like, now I've not seen Hubey Halloween, but I must talk to him. It's a sequel to this movie, following the character of Hubey. All right, well, this is amazing. I love all the shirts. I love all the opinions. And, you know, I still think that last scene with that belt that comes in and fucking whips the shit out of Mr. Fiat, I would have liked to see a little guy on Guy Fightin' too. Like, yeah, why not? She, you know, she doesn't need to do it. So this movie. Are you? Yeah. So this movie didn't have enough guys getting one over on the gals for you. I just want to like to see these men win. No, I would like to see the men beg out of the men never learn this stuff. And she goes, you shouldn't whip them. It's not about that. And then he's like, oh, and then he's like, fuck. I can't catch a break.

1:14:16Men. I am impressed by your commitment to belt that as your touchstone for this movie. Much like Phoebe Cates' mom was your touchstone for drop dead Fred. belt dad. The belt dad is a mega-batch. belt dad. No, no, no, we're not. We're not all belt dad. All right, obviously. Some people have different opinions. Some people don't. But now it is time for second opinions. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Hi, my name is Serena. I'm Amanda. I come home in the morning, light my brother says, come on, we got to get back my bike. Oh, brother, dear, we're not the fortunate ones. Girls just want to kick nuts. Oh, girls just want to kick nuts. We're on the run. In the middle of the night, we got a hot hostage

1:15:18who won't put up a fight. Oh, brother, dear, please put down that dam gun. Girls just want a haircut. Oh, girls just want a haircut. That's all they really want. Haircut. It's when the outlaw day is done. Oh, girls, they want to kick nuts. Oh, girls just want a haircut. We watched this movie, was told that it's suck, but boy, there's no need for second opinions. Oh, Jason Deere, you kind of really fucked up. Oh, girls, they want to kick nuts. Oh, girls just want to kick nuts. Yes, amazing. Thank you, Bob. Thank you, great job. Thank you, boss. I have a question. I have a question. How did I fuck up? We wrote this before the show. We didn't think you guys would have anything negative to say about it. That's right. But you didn't. We thought it shouldn't have been on the podcast.

1:16:19Right, yes. But shouldn't you have changed it to Paul? You really fucked up? No. They're saying this is not a movie for this show. Oh, you fucked up by taking it. My take isn't fucked up. Correct. Just that the movie doesn't belong on the show. Yes, I did. Aren't you happy we watched it? Yes, yes, yes. I mean, I feel really attacked. I'm sorry about that. Get used to it. All right, so, Legend of Billie Jean has... How can I just say all of those were amazing? Amazing. How was incredible. I thought for sure we would get all Pat Benetars. Yeah. Or I'm shocked none, Michael Jackson, Billie Jean. I was hoping for that too. I also thought that would be what we had. By the way, after I thought it was about Billie Jean, the tennis... Billie Jean King. That is incredible. Right, but now watch where I did the next split. I worked in a video store and I was like, oh, this is a fucking Michael Jackson movie. I'm over Michael Jackson. I don't want to watch that. And so I had two... Even though Helen Slater on the cover...

1:17:21What? I was like, I thought it was like, oh, the music of Michael Jackson with this. Like, I, because it's like choosing that leatherish... I will say this. Do you see in this movie as a child? Oh, I thought that was it. You would be obsessed with it the way that I am. I mean, here's what I'm going to tell you. These are the movies that I love as a kid, 100%. I just avoided it because of the title. And I will say this. The director did try to change the title. He's like, that Michael Jackson song is pretty popular. Oh, yeah. Let's call it something like different than Billie Jean. And the studio's like, what? Are you kidding? We're bigger than Michael Jackson. And they did not change it. It is weird to have two Billie Jean things... I do agree with that. Current popular culture. All right. So, 6,881 total reviews. 87% are five star. Yeah. Now, 0% are one star. Now, normally you would say, like, well, these can't be funny. Watch out.

1:18:21They're great. They are great. In 2011, P or T review wrote, having watched this twice already, I borrowed it from a friend. I loved it equally both times. Definitely one that will be in my collection. As a pioneer for equality. This movie was ahead of its time. But my question is, why did Pat Benatar hate it? And why did it flop in theaters? Everyone seems to have an opinion about this film. Some good, some bad. Oh, well, another film that critics didn't like for reasons that most audiences shouldn't care less about. Yes, I consider myself a freelance critic. But even... LAUGHTER I'm not always right, but I am entitled to my opinion, even when others don't agree. Now, I won't go into detail about the plot. Everyone has done plenty of that. Suffice it to say, though hardly original, it's still well-acted, especially by Ellen Slater,

1:19:24as Billie Jean, an enjoyable and sends a message for people who have been bullied or pushed around or just want to stand up for themselves. Can't wait to own it! Five stars! Why did Pat Benatar hate this film? Jim Mason writes, this is one of my favorites, maybe in all the history of the show. Jim Mason writes in 2022. Title, love this movie for personal reasons. LAUGHTER Because he usually likes movies for professional reasons. LAUGHTER And Jim goes on to say, this film was shot in Corpus Christi, Texas, my favorite place in the world. My wife and I were 30 and 31 years old and working for a boat dealership. Some of our boats were used for background items. It was the best time of my life, failing, racing, and fishing for a living

1:20:25couldn't wait to get to work each morning. For almost 19 years, couldn't get to work fast enough. It was beyond beautiful, five stars. LAUGHTER I love when people leave in one of these reviews, like an autobiographical diary entry about themselves. It's a review of a movie on Amazon. It's like, when I was 31 in my wife was... What? Why, I mean, I'm happy that... Good movie, bad movie. That's what we're doing here. It's not about you. Yeah, I'm not looking for reviews of Corpus Christi. This is an odd one. One star. Max wrote this in 2018, titles at Fair is Fair. This was strictly an Illuminati movie to encourage. The single androgynous male, female, young person. Other things in this movie as well, such as the quasi-saturnist candle ceremony

1:21:27at the creepy dudes mansion about at the halfway mark, yet still a cult classic. Also, the amount of times a male got racked in the nuts was to signify the taming and-or destruction of the white male penis. Strictly, a movie to promote an agenda from those who crave power and debauchery. Still a cult classic. Five stars. Fair is fair. Oh. There is fair. Fair is fair. And finally, we'll end on Spock Jenkins, who writes, It was a movie. I watched it on my TV. Five stars, title, a movie. I do want to say, even though, because it was mentioned in those, and you mentioned it earlier, it is a shame that Pep Beneter said it was a bad movie, because, hey, I think it's an incredible movie, and be the song Invincible, the Pep Beneter song Invincible,

1:22:27not only is it so iconically used in the movie, it is teased throughout in an instrumental form, and then the payoff of it starting to play was a fucking orgasm of audio beauty. It's a great song that is like threaded throughout, and then when it lands and it plays in full, unreal. Great. The whole soundtrack, Dynamite. Here's where I want to just give you some interesting side notes, right, about the film. The original writers of this movie, Mark Rosenthal and Lawrence Conner, are mad at this movie. Their script was taken by the director, Matthew Robbins, and Matthew Robbins took somebody who was a writer, and I'm forgetting that writer's name, but went through the McCarthy hearings, right? So he really- Blacklisted writer. Blacklisted writer. Took, and I think the way that Matthew Robbins describes it, really brought that into it, feeling an outcast, feeling like he didn't have power, feeling like he was in a system, but he couldn't act on a system. Then that was like this rewrite of the movie.

1:23:30Mark and Lawrence have written essays on how- What is the original, you're gonna tell it- What are you gonna tell ya? Okay. So the original titles were Fair is Fair or Legend, and Legend was abandoned because Tom Cruise had a movie, Legend coming out. But it was an interesting thing because, and I have it right here, the feminist themes were not there at all. As a matter of fact, there were many gratuitous nudity scenes. There wasn't feminist themes in the two guys that wrote the movie? Yes. From the movie written by the two guys. Although, but Matthew Robinson and the other man who wrote the movie, they were too men as well. Although, Alan Cider has said that Matthew Robinson is very in touch with that side of himself and Brent brought a lot from that. But so it said, contained many scenes of female nudity, and Putter and Ophelia are described as typical generic teen beauties. That's one of the, that's from the script. The early versions of the script open with Billie Jean Topliss in her bedroom. They go skinny. No, I'm not mad at it. Yeah. Binks, binks in her are skinny dipping.

1:24:33Billie Jean takes that for close to go swim in in that pool. There's a lot of swimming nude in the movie. There's more sex scenes in the movie, but it was all based on this, which I thought was really interesting. This is based on Foulin Devy, an Indian icon. So after being married off at the age of 11 and being sexually abused by various people, she joined a gang of armed gang robbers. And those gang robbers, they robbed like rich villages and held up trains and vehicles. And then when she, and then she basically evaded capture and then she became this kind of Robin Hood figure and an eventual number of Indian parliament. So that is, it is based in some truth. I mean, very far removed. But it was at least based in this amazing Foulin Devy. So I thought that was really interesting. That's cool. All right, final thoughts. Final thoughts, we didn't bring up anything. Would you recommend this movie while I mean today? Boy, this, I mean, it just like a 10 out of 10 for me. This is, in the 15 years, 16 years we've been doing the show,

1:25:37there are certain movies, face off, con air. Movies that to me are not the movies we typically do because we're here being like, this is a problem, that's a problem, this is a problem that this is just a gang buster's absolute stone-called classic. I loved this. Topped about them, would I recommend it? I would recommend everybody watch it once a year. Wow. Yeah, I didn't know who's gonna do this. This is a summer movie. It's a summer movie, baby. It is. We're in a heatwave right now. Watch this movie. It's funny because I think that, yeah, I'm not, I'm not taking the point of view tonight of like, oh, this is a great movie for all the movies we watch. It's like, no, this is an important movie. I loved it so much. The other movie I felt this strongly about was dropped dead friends. This is a really wonderful movie. I mean, I'm just thinking about the scene where she's talking to her mom through the video. And like, that is, she's talking to her mother to mother. There's no sense of like, oh, I know we're children

1:26:38and I'm away. It's like, mom, mom you, mommy, don't worry. We've got it. Like, it's, she has the energy of a single mom, which granted many young teenage girls did at that time, but it was just, it was just so special. I loved it so much. And I don't know if part of my like, like obsession and fascination with it is that it is a representation of contemporary for me being this age. But can I ask you a question? Like, because this is like, this is a time where I grew up in like movies like this. But I did not live a life like this. But yet, it was like, that's what I should be doing. Like, were you hanging out like in trees like that? As like in, and waiting for people to come by and scoop you up? In trees. Not, I wasn't waiting around in trees, but like. You were writing, you were writing checks for different utilities. I was absolutely writing checks. Once I was a stockboy at age 12 at the village store. Got it.

1:27:39Still like, you wanted a bag of chips and like, maybe some gum, that's a check. Putting a note in the note section, chips. Rrr. Yeah. Oh, I'm out in these streets. I'm still writing checks. Wow. No, I truly like that. So I got that condom. I want to, I want to host, I want to host a screening of this movie. I want to see it with an audience. Like, I want to watch it, you know, a couple times a year. I didn't know we were just going to watch our favorite movies. Because I guess Anna of Green Gables is next. Oh. I mean, we are kindred spirits. That's an Anna of Green Gables reference. It is a, yeah, so it's a good guy. You guys suck. We don't normally do this, but we do have a special guest tonight. Belpedad, come on out. Belpedad. And he's going to hit all I can get you all a little. Why do I feel like, why do I feel like before I know it, somehow we're going to have a Belpedad t-shirt.

1:28:42I'd rather have no dad than Belpedad or a Belpedad. I'd rather have a Belpedad. So no dad. No dad better than no, Belpedad. I don't know. Something in here. Well, I have a feeling because people have amazing merch already out there that there probably is some Billie Jean merch. We will look and see what we can figure out our own spot in this world. So we're not, we're not provocating. Or are we going to maybe have a shirt that says Pat Benatar is wrong? I, yes. Oh, I love that. I personally go, I will be on Etsy tonight. And I will be purchasing. I'm sure it's there. I will be purchasing that t-shirt and probably the hat. Wait, did the duo of women who sang with those Billie Jean shirts, did you make or did you buy them? You made them, OK. Wow. Do you have an Etsy store? You're about to be rich. But maybe if Molly can get a picture of them, we can make you the artist of this shirt and then we can then you get a cut of that profit. Perfect. And then the reality is this movie,

1:29:45and I felt like this would drop dead Fred. This movie is so genuinely fantastic. And I mean it when I say, I've had a long week, but I sobbed through so much of this movie. I do miss them. There is something about a movie that is about kids alone off on their own trying to write the wrongs that adults are doing to them that just hits me right in the heart. And I was sobbing throughout from Underground Railroad until the end. I was like, game over. Same. I was doing, I was going, yes! I was standing. I'm 53 years old. And by the way, by the way, speak of the Underground Railroad. Like, I didn't understand where she was going. It seemed like maybe she was going in a circle. I feel like she never got more than 25 miles away from where the movie started. I think that's absolutely right. Totally fine. I think she never leaves Corpus Christi. Yeah. The greater Corpus Christi air. By the way, if you'll notice it.

1:30:46She's in that mini golf fucking place for the majority of the home base is the mini golf course. Which I also loved as a where the kids would go. The abandoned mini golf course. And if you want to go visit it, it's now an aquarium. Oh, is it really? That's funny. But I didn't take a single note. I started. Maybe I took two. I did walk by when you were watching it. And I just saw the notebook far away from you. I closed it and I put it down and I just watched it. I did that for a long time. Yeah, I just was like, I can't. I'm myself. And I was like, I haven't taken a note in a while. Because I'm just loving it. Yeah, I just have to enjoy this. My only disappointment in my only disappointment in you, the audience, is that no one showed up with a Billie Jean haircut. I really was sure somebody was going to be like, I did it. And I will say I'm proud of you. I would have proposed. Well, June, Jason, anything you want to promote, June.

1:31:46Well, Elle is on a prime video. All the episodes are streaming. It's a really sweet show. I love that. Now do you think that your character would have watched Billie Jean, the legend of Billie Jean? Oh, that's a great question. Yeah, but I don't know that she would have liked it. Interesting. She would have been on that other side. I do not on your side. I felt that side. Yeah, no, no. I don't think she would have felt the strong eye as I do. Okay. Jason, anything you want to promote? I'll promote. This summer we did a 10th anniversary of the Chris Getherd, one man's trash episode that I believe is going to be released somehow soon. It is being headed right now. Yeah, I think it's being headed right now. But if you've never seen it, it's on YouTube. Paul and I are guests on the Chris Getherd show. It is one of the best episodes of television ever, I think. So, go watch that. And I'm still promoting Taskmaster Season 19 just because I'm locked in, everybody. I'm locked in.

1:32:46I want to let everybody know that I am going to be on who wants to be a millionaire. Oh, with Rob Hubel. And it's a team. It's Team Now. No, it's Team Now. So, it's like Larry David and Cassie David and it was, everybody is really fun pairs. Rob and I of course have Dark Web every Monday on YouTube. Check it out if you've not checked it out yet. All right, so this is a thank god it got made. Thank you everybody for coming out here to Largo. Thank you to our amazing staff. We love being at Largo. Our producers got Sony and Molly Reynolds. Our entire production team for putting this show together. Each shit. Okay, whether you are team Billy Jean or team Belvedad, the only team to be. Thank you so much for listening. We're doing something special this week. We have two special t-shirts for this episode that were designed by one of our second opinion song singers. That's right, Sabrina designed one that says Billy Jean and the other one says Pat Benatar was wrong.

1:33:48Now, you can snag both of these shirts by clicking the merch link at httgm.com and all proceeds from these shirts will go to Sabrina. Now, if you're in Los Angeles in October and want to see June and I live doing a improvised multi-cam sitcom created by Marta Kaufman, the creator of Friends. We have tickets available for you at that same link httgm.com. Just click there and tell us what dates you can come see the show. It is going to be an absolute blast. Dennis or Improv will be back at Largo on September 11th. And if you are a fan of trivia, check me and rob people out on who wants to be a millionaire on Hulu. And you can watch the 10th anniversary of Chris Getherds, one man trash anniversary show that Jason and I did in New York just a few months ago. Also on YouTube, if you're on YouTube, why don't you check out the dark web. We have so many good things, but you know what? We know that you are a super fan and you have a lot to say.

1:34:49So if you have a correction and omission from this episode about Billy Jean, you can leave us a voicemail by going to SpeakPipe.com slash httgm. Or write to us on our discord at discord.gg slash httgm. We are also still accepting corrections and omissions for our triple x episode. As we get ready to launch a super sized last looks. We love being at Largo. Our pals, Flannie, Griffey and skills in the booth are just the best. If you're ever in LA, come support Largo. And a big thank you to our recording engineer, Rich Garcia, who's coming out to do these live shows with us. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed into our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it. Always make sure you're talking to people about the show and check out our Instagram page where you can watch videos from our live show. And lastly, I have to give a huge thank you to our behind the scenes team. I'm talking about our producer Scott Sonny and Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holtford and our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum, as well as our intern Emily Galbard.

1:35:53We will forever be thankful to the one and only, April Haley. And you know what people? That's all I got. I'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now.