The Legacy of 9/11

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3:08So stay tuned. We toss out the screaming heads, put people before political parties and give context to the news to make you think. Now, here's our host Chris Pangol, a 15-year veteran of politics and media. Welcome to the program. It is so great to have you here with us today. It is always a somber day on 9-11. It is the 20th anniversary of 9-11. So, despite our new schedule of Monday, Tuesday, we are going to release this here on Saturday because it just wouldn't make sense to release a 9-11 episode on September 13th.

4:13So, we're going to talk about our personal remembrances and then talk about the legacy. There is a several documentaries. Well, before I start, let's think our patrons. All of our patrons. We're over 100, I think. And we appreciate you guys so much because you help the network keep going. We are a team of a couple dozen people that all operate on software and everything that the patrons provide to us. And especially we want to thank our $100 a month members, John Pesillo, Casey Feldposh, Lars Nordskog, Jake Edel, Matthew Durbin, Ryan Hold, Christy Avery and Jason Doe Little. If I sound a little weak, it's because I am. I don't feel great. I was not feeling great last week. I had some sort of flu and negative COVID tests getting a COVID test today. So, keep your fingers crossed for me. Thankfully, Harry's doing the show next week.

5:14So, if I do have it, then I'll be okay. I wanted to do this show today because you don't get another 20th anniversary of one of the most defining days in American history. I've been watching a ton of documentaries. I'm going to put together a post with my favorites. I've kind of been posting them along the way. The frontline documentaries, they have 20 different documentaries around the War on Terror in 9-11 that I cannot recommend enough. Go to YouTube type in frontline and you'll see all kinds of great documentaries. And the release one basically talking about the period from 9-11 to January 6th. And it is a flawless case in something that I have been saying for 20 years now. But well, let's be honest, 10 years. Of the beginning of the rot really started with the wars hollowing out America.

6:17And it began on 9-11. It began that very day. And we're going to talk about some of that. But for me, it was a very formative day as well. And I'm sure it was for my co-hosts Reinhold is honoring the first responders by looking like one today with his name. And hold on my associate producer screaming in the background. Yes, I will in just one moment. Yes, give me just one moment. We talked about this. I don't know why three-year-olds don't be quiet when you ask them to be quiet. It's amazing, Harry. Harry Price, how are you? You're muted. Yeah, three-year-olds do, you know, they do what they want. But the best producers, but man, can they melt down sometimes? Yeah, we're getting married December 4th. And after that, I will have my own dedicated room. But, you know, they're here this morning. And, you know, when I do podcasts, they go to the park or they stay at their house or whatever. We don't have that luxury today.

7:17So I apologize for the noise in the background. But someone needs apple juice. Harry, you understand quite well. We were a little delighted in starting because Gunther was throwing a massive fit. Yeah, she does not want to go to swim class today. She was not about it today. I don't like it. This is boring. I'm like, I'm guessing because I just won't let her just play. It's like, we're going to teach you how to swim. And I just said, like, you know what? Once you learn how to swim, if you don't want to go, that's fine. But you're going to learn how to swim first. Yeah. You know, we watched the Paw Patrol movie. I don't know if you've seen the Paw Patrol movie, but I was initially against Paw Patrol because it looked like Capaganda. Got these cops and firemen and public workers all looking heroes like saving the day. And then the more I watched it, I was like, this is really accurate and reflecting real life because the mayor is an idiot and competent and corrupt. And it's the civil servants that are saving the city from the incompetent politicians and they see it better than anybody else, which is true in real life.

8:19Cops get the bad rap, but it's the politicians that are to blame for making the laws. The other thing is like with Paw Patrol, it might be like it also could libertarian TV show for the simple fact that that town is gold rich. Okay. Yeah. They're really a sepsom gold. And that is actually how they, you know, fun Paw Patrol. So when you really look like, how do they afford all these machines? Where all this stuff comes from. So like, okay, this is getting to like deep cuts of Paw Patrol after watching for too much is often paid from the golden city. Clearly, writer is touched by either the the stupid moon rock that they got the game, the superpowers that gave me tells you to build all this crap. Yeah. And then and then made the dogs to talk from the beginning. So it is obviously it's a good show for kids. You know, I was hesitant to because the chase, but long as my daughter doesn't like chase on fire with that. Yeah. As long as it's not Kaya, the Kaya was just trash. Have you seen Bluey? No. Or there's something that like, you know, she learns a lot from TV actually, but, you know, like,

9:22you know, bubble guppies is just like the most. Yeah. It's nothing. It's not it's trash. It's the Jersey Shore of kid shows. Yeah. Slide up for the PBS shows. Okay. So I'm from PBS. I know you got the ET plus two was also put on PBS. And then when you get that one, you watch the show, when you get all enough, you can watch the show called Peg Plus Cat. It's adorable and it's amazing. You will even enjoy Peg Plus Cat. All right. Yeah. That's sort of how Peppa was. We didn't mind that. We had to get off of Coco Mellon. All right. I know you heard your shoes. I'll be right there. Ryan, hold on. How are you? Nice mustache. I'm doing well. I'm just trying to wake up now from that conversation that I have no idea what you were talking about or any interest in. Well, that's half the podcast to be honest. But the anytime I call you. The documentary that I mentioned that I think if you're going to watch one hour and a half documentary, it should be America after 9-11 on PBS Frontline.

10:29But there's all the front line. They have like 20 documentaries on the website that they refer to. If your kid won't let you get off of Paw Patrol, then also turning point on Netflix. It'll be the first thing on Netflix today. Really, really good. Really solid. Looming Tower is a TV show on Hulu. So if your spouse just is not going to let you watch a documentary about boring politics stuff, then you can like really get them because looming Tower is 10 episodes. It's great. It's got Jeff Daniels, the guy who was in Dumb and Dumber, who's a great actor, newsroom. That's a really good TV show about the, it's based on the book and the failure of the FBI, basically the failure of the CIA in working with the FBI that I mean 9-11 could have been prevented had they worked together, but they didn't. And you'll see why. And then the terror roots on Amazon Prime is like the 300 level class on why 9-11 happened.

11:29It's really, really, really solid. I mean, have you guys been reading or watching anything lately that kind of, you know, has sparked your memory? Yeah, let's see, like I think, you put that frontal stuff on TV for the homework on the cast and went back and skinned back through some of the notes from Scott Horde's book, Fools Aaron, picked that back up this week. Also, we're just trying to go back through all of it. It's just like, I think we joked about like how much memory whole stuff that we've even forgotten. And I had like, search my own like Facebook posts and they're like, what was I talking about during this time? It's like, oh, God, you're so embarrassed. I did, I did that. I went back and look at my old writing because I still have it all up on my blog and which kind of starts off with me defending the decision to go into Iraq. So that's kind of where I was at at the time. I kind of fell into the old propaganda thing too. Yeah. I didn't take me long to realize that was a horrible mistake and start calling for us to get out and stop.

12:31But it's still something that I remember at the time, it's not clear cut stuff. I mean, there was a lot of unknowns. There was a lot of people trying to act upon partial information or information wasn't as necessarily good. We were torturing people. So we were getting bad information from that. It was just a whole calamity of things that to be honest started back with the first world, go for it. Right. So because the attacks on the World Trade Center, which there were multiples, there was another one a few years earlier. 1993. That yeah, it was that was in response to, you know, us being in Saudi Arabia, which is a lot of people. Saudi Arabia, which was a reason for the 9-11 attacks. They wanted to get them, you know, that symbol taken down. Well, if you really want to start like the long chain of events that led us here, it starts with Reagan and funding the Mujahideen.

13:33There's this idea that the Americans funded al-Qaeda and that was never the case. But the Afghani war was really the beginning, the Afghan civil war in the 70s. I think it was the late 70s when Soviet Russia moved in and invaded Afghanistan in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East and to basically, you know, going back to the domino theory of expanding. And nobody wanted this to happen. A Iran didn't want this. Saudi Arabia didn't want this. The Americans didn't want this. But 1979 was actually an incredibly, and you'll see it in one of the Saudi Arabia documentaries on frontline. 1979 was an incredible turning point in the Middle East and across the world because when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, there was an attack on Mecca, I believe. A siege at Mecca, that was the year that Iran and the hostage situation took place. So you have all of these things beginning in 1979 as Islamic fundamentalism starts to spread across the region.

14:40And really what happened in the Middle East was a conflict between the more radical Islamists and the more secular governments. And that continues today, we see it in the Arab Spring. And so when the Reagan administration, one of their goals was essentially to get the Soviet government to spend so much that their empire collapsed, which is in part where Osama bin Laden learned the idea of plotting 9-11 to make us do the same and 20 years later. But so the Reagan administration starts funding the equivalent of the Northern alliance at that point versus the Saudi Arabia, the Afghan government, and providing them with weapons. I mean, they were spending billions a year just giving them 250 green and cash to go by rocket launchers. They were losing the war until America started funding the opposition and then it fell pretty quickly. So in 1989, they move out.

15:46Now Osama bin Laden was not in charge of fighting the Soviets. He led a band of fighters. And the people who were in charge in Afghanistan didn't particularly care for Osama bin Laden. And this is a common theme. There's a great book by Peter Bergen that I just finished called the rise and fall of Osama bin Laden that gives you kind of the whole arc of his life that's pretty short that's really interesting read. And one common theme is that Osama bin Laden is too radical for Saudi Arabia. So he gets kicked out. He goes to the Sudan at one point. They kick him out. He goes to Afghanistan. But he comes from this wealthy oil family and he brings money to this fight to the Mujahideen. And he's a pretty terrible strategist in terms of fighting a war loses a couple battles and gets pretty discredited during that war against the Soviets. But he's rich so people still continue to kind of follow him and he's authentic to these people. He lived like Muhammad. He was very strict, very like he didn't give his family any medicine that wasn't available at the time of Muhammad, for instance.

17:01So when they're at the Abadabad compound in the 2010s, one of the strategies to figure out if he's in there before Obama took him out was sending a vaccine. You know, hey, we're from the Red Cross. We're here to vaccinate your kids. He's like, get out. Because the vaccines weren't available in the 600s. So so bin Laden after they win the war and the Soviets just pull out. And America just pulls out and it leaves a total vacuum in Afghanistan. And one of the one of the unintentional drivers of the Taliban eventually taking control by the mid 90s was the hundreds of thousands of refugees in Afghanistan that thought that the Americans would welcome but did not.

18:01And so you had hundreds of people thousands of people killed after the Soviets left because they thought that they they had worked with the Americans and they thought that they were going to get asylum here in America and they didn't and you had this massive civil war. And so it generated all this ill will towards the Americans and it fed into the radical Islamist idea of you can't trust the Americans. They're just here to take our oil. They're just here to they don't care what misery misery they perpetrated among among the people. They want they want your resources and they don't care if you die. And they want to set up strategic points. And so by the time we get to 1991 where the you know we we have a beef with Saddam Hussein and he invades Kuwait. Osama bin Laden goes to the Saudis and says I can I can get a hundred thousand Mujahideen fighters to take on a some Saddam Hussein bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein he called him a socialist he said he was you know he just he thought he was scourge of the earth they had absolutely no connection despite the lies by the Bush administration.

19:21And the Saudi say no because the force the Americans were going to bring was several times that and Saddam bin Laden said well they're never going to leave our holy land if you let them stay here we still to this day have those three bases. And so you have this continual toppling of if you look at the history of Iran where we we support the Shaw. Wait okay I'll get you in just a minute you have the toppling of the Shaw and Iran which leads to the radicalization of Iran which leads to you know they're a very powerful force across the Middle East. And in the she is and then on the Sunni side you have the Egyptians and Saudis in their culture starting to radicalize against the American disruptions and then we invade their holy land and build bases and so by the time 9-11 happens there is a tremendous amount of. I mean I saw that there's one documentary where the guy was an ISIS fighter and he's like if anybody says that they weren't cheering on 9-11 in the Arab world they're lying to you because the foreign policy towards the Middle East by the Americans was arrogant it was disruptive it was supporting corrupt governments like the Bumbarak regime you know and and other people making our lives miserable and so we felt that it been Laden was striking at the root.

20:48Now Bin Laden was a shift because Bin Laden up to that point terrorists had it was state versus state it was Lebanese citizens against their own government or it was Lebanese versus the Israelis. Bin Laden broke the mold by basically collecting people of all of these different groups to fight America which up to that point it had been regional conflict it had not been. Against the great Satan and the the terror attacks on 9-11 were remarkable in that they were so well organized so well funded so well planned out that it was basically inconceivable to a lot of our political structure that this could even happen. Except for a few people like John O'Neal or Ali Sufon or Michael Schoyer people who worked in the CIA and FBI on bin Laden specifically but you had 20 30 40 people in the entire government that saw that this could actually take place and warned the government over and over and over.

21:54But you know the Clinton administration was consumed with the Lewinsky stuff and didn't want to hear it and was shy to you know accept. You know bin Laden was offered to the Americans I think three times by the Saudis the Sudanese the Afghans they never had enough to actually hold him or charge him so they couldn't take that because they had no legal basis and. And they had no no you know so by the time they know that he is going to strike the United States. Clinton's in the middle of all of his affairs so he doesn't want to look like it's a distraction and then you have the Bush administration when they take over they don't take it seriously because they thought that it was all concocted by the Democrats to distract from everything so. It was just a complete failure from the top to the bottom to actually understand the threat that Osama bin Laden proved because it just. Reinhold it hadn't been conceptualized yet it it's you can look back and hindsight and say yeah the cable that the the FBI is requesting information to check their database on two of the hijackers and the CIA declined to give them that intelligence and that's what caused 9-11.

23:10And that's absolutely true. But I think you know there's it just hadn't totally been it just wasn't possible that it had to be a state actor I mean we all kind of thought that at that time right old. Well I mean it was it was just this idea that I mean we just took down the fourth largest army in the world when we just decimated Iraq right so we were feeling on top of the of the world we had control everywhere we were doing everything great and. The cheeks in the armor were showing for years before but people weren't paying attention to it we had the attack on the US as coal we had the attack on the World Trade Center in 93 we had a lots of things happening. And lots of threats being made lots of movements going on to try to try to attack us for this stuff and we just turned a blind eye to it because we had too many things internally to deal with we we were worried about ourselves we didn't think that there was even possible for these guys don't even have.

24:17ICBMs and missiles and team attack us are effect us in any way and there were people mean who we're trying to call out hey you know dirty bombs and and other other types of things but even those weren't seen as very possible just by the fact that to do something like that you would need some sort of logistics that we would see coming right but what they did in planning out the attack on 9-11 is it was done in such a way that it wasn't obvious. Obviously the maneuvering going on to get the logistics to happen to have this work right so. And other part of the problem too was leading up to this we had had hijackings taking place in the 70s I don't know a lot of people remember how many how many times this happened but we have a lot of people doing hijackings in the 70s basically was they wanted us to go to the one to plane to go somewhere else so I really was told if you get hijacked. Just go along you land with meter demands get them out of there and then we'll be safe when we get you out of there yeah nobody nobody was the prevailing was the idea of hijacking attempt yeah the idea that point happened sorry but the idea at that point was that nobody would fly planes into the building and suicide bombers were still a new thing like nobody thought that somebody would use a plane as a weapon like that so this is the this is the thing that they always say it really is.

25:43We just we just didn't we lacked imagination is what the 9-11 report said we say no one thought of it but there were a few people thought of it it's that they weren't taking this seriously right they were saying oh yeah okay I we can see where you know whatever but it wasn't considered a possibility so we didn't look for the maneuverings that were happening on the ground to make that a possibility correct yeah because like people have the imaginations just in the like the general populace or something this happening but right all is right but we're not going to be able to do that. Right on his right before in like the 90s the TV show like movie thing was like the high jackers haven't take control of playing the Steven Segal movies and you know they take it somewhere and they have to go get that you know that was that bad executive decision movie that Steven's going on the top but even like the lone gunman's pilot episode of the same year 2001 was about the exact same thing. Yeah if you look at the guy named john o'Neill there's a frontline documentary about him the man who knew. And then also the the looming tower show is about him you know this guy is an incredible tragedy he is the head of counterterrorism in New York City for the FBI he spends years tracking down terrorists lead investigator on the coal bombing.

26:58And is constantly beating up Richard Clark head of counterterrorism for Clinton and then Bush he's beating up the CIA who is stifling him he's beating up everybody saying we have a real problem we have a real problem we have a real problem and finally he just is so annoying that he ends up getting himself fired and takes a job as head of security for the twin towers and he was in his first or second week of employment there on 9 11 and died and it's it's just like it's so. Frustrating I mean it literally pissed me off for two weeks thinking about the story of john o'Neill because if anybody had listened if they hadn't been so focused on internal politics somebody would have done something you know Richard Clark takes it very seriously head of counter terrorism under Clinton he's in the cabinet. And then is retained under Bush but is taken out of the cabinet because he doesn't fit the goals of the Bush administration the Bush administration had a very lacks attitude towards counter towards terrorism and it was like 15th on their priority list when they laid out the priorities that they had and when Richard Clark and john o'Neill and others would say to con the rice head of the national security agency we need to look at been lot and we need to look at this growing threat.

28:17They were stifled and they were told find well we're only focused on Saddam Hussein and they had a narrow focus on Saddam Hussein for many reasons which will play out you know in our conversation a little bit about the legacy of 9 11 but they just missed it they missed it all around. And it led to these attacks and it it's the bureaucratic in action I think that is just. Manning when you kind of like read books about the stuff or watch the the documentaries that i'm recommending it and you just see the missed opportunities. You know like when you look back at the last year and a half testing was a huge missed opportunity you know these home tests that i've been using the you know regularly over the last month for instance when i come back from a conference or if I you know I have real bad allergies allergies or coven that game i'm a huge hyperconjure act. How many lives would have been saved by those home tests but we missed it because of the politics of the moment getting in the way we missed it because people listen to the wrong experts we missed it because you know and it leads to american citizens dying because we are centralizing power authority and information in the hands of people that view everything through a political lens as opposed to the lens of effectiveness.

29:39You cannot I saw people today you know everybody post the very generic never forget twin towers with the league lights shining up and you know and it's a very emotional day i mean i will not lie to you i watched. One of the documentaries last night and the voice mails that are playing from people on the planes it gives me goosebumps it makes me emotional i still feel everything i felt that day. But you cannot separate the fact that what came out of nine eleven was a time of immense fear and decisions were made that were incredibly wrong political has an article from bush administration officials today documenting what they got wrong. And to a person they're all saying the Iraq war we got it wrong well that cost tens of thousands of lives and it led to the polarization that we're in now in a very serious way. And yes you can always look at the moment in the polarization where do we go wrong when did america turn from shining city on a hill towards.

30:42A shit hole country and you you can say nine eleven you can say the the Clinton impeachment you can say a rand country you can always kind of go backwards and they're you know it always starts with wood aerobiles and. But nine eleven and the words that follow rotted the soul of this country and one of the things that i want to do with this show over the next few months is to prove that case to you. And you watch these documentaries and it will prove the case to you because in hindsight you look at how wrong we got it. And how wrong we still get it because we are making decisions out of fear because the news media wants to keep you afraid and divided politicians want to keep you afraid and divided because it's how they maintain their power. And so you have to take the power back for yourself and decide what is the right path for you and your family what experts are you going to listen to. This is not a vaccination rant but it kind of is when you look at what Joe Biden did and let's be honest and I miss this in yesterday's episode.

31:45Joe Biden doesn't want people talking about how he messed up Afghanistan on the 20th anniversary of nine eleven so what better way to change the conversation than to throw out some unconstitutional thing that you know has no religious exemption has no you know like it's it's complete BS it's going to get tossed out right he changed the subject he did a very Donald Trump thing in tossing something out that is going to never see the light of day but we'll kind of threaten. And pressure some politicians and some companies to comply until they get that all sorted out he changed the conversation two days before the nine eleven anniversary but I don't think that that's working all the coverage that I saw this morning Harry was about Afghanistan. Yeah everything is like about face to know that I've Afghanistan. Yeah and it's some because of the thing that's when when people do talk about it's like a blur of it and they like they say why they're angry and then like okay down with slip right back because it's almost like they learned from you know from president Donald Trump is that you know this is what they're trying to do which you know he which Trump was a was a product of everything that's happened in the last like 20 years because of nine eleven but it's not the right.

33:02But it's I don't know like I think these eight years of Trump to bite it might be. Unfortunately the cure because one you see how like the presidency can be changed and then you can see what also happening so I think like this people are just getting the narrative to it hopefully anyways we're seeing what's that I mean we can hope. Reinhold before nine eleven the the war on terror era the Iraq war lead up the arguments I mean that that period is so reminiscent of where we're at now. But that that whipsaw lack of attention span I don't think was there before that period but you're the only old person I know so I'll ask you like when you when you reflect before nine eleven and after nine eleven in terms of the public discourse. It was remarkable but not inconceivable that on the night of nine eleven the members of congress stood on the steps of the capital and saying God bless America it was conceivable it is inconceivable I think 20 years later.

34:05So as far as the public consciousness and politics goes. It most people don't want to concern themselves about politics they really don't they want to just go about their lives right and we saw that a lot during the last you know sixty seven years now there was a certain period of time where we had the civil rights march movements that sort of thing then we had to be at non happen and there was a lot of political activity but it was mostly younger people or. The people kind of in between were just kind of like on let's just deal with it let's get it over with what why are we fighting about this so you don't see the the impact of politics and most people's daily thinking then you know CNNs happens right and now we're getting news on a day you know 24 hours seven days a week there's a chance you can go to you can see what's going on in it is with the the first reals.

35:09Example of that is the the first Iraq war where we're watching bombs landing on people the luckiest man in the world video you know where the guy gets across the bridge just before it blows up we're seeing those daily briefings we're seeing all that information about the war on there and it becomes a real popular thing to do to watch watch the news. All the time you didn't just watch it we used to just watch the news a half hour every night and get kind of the tidbits and the information and we'd go about our day but now we've got. News and news just being pumped and pumped and we got competing news and we can go back and forth on then 9-11 happens and I don't know about you but I know that everybody I knew and everybody and you South Park made a joke about this is that people just became glued to watching the news channels right. Whether it was CNN whether it was Fox whether it was in the same you see whatever I think partly that partly that night I mean they were talking about 20,000 dead for weeks I mean the headlines in the Middle East were. The lot and kills 20,000 people you know it was just you wanted to watch to see if we it was always coming out can we see who got saved like it was you wanted the feeling it was so.

36:22Crazy and fearful that day that you wanted to watch and have some of that fear alleviated and and the thing now is people are just bathing in that fear they're living in that fear all the time now and it's really unhealthy for people. I remember that day. The morning that it happened right so let's pause there let's take a break and then when we come back we're going to talk about the day of 9-11 we talked about the lead up we're going to talk about our personal experiences and what happened that day. And then we'll talk ever so briefly about what happened in the aftermath of that as we will in an upcoming shows but we'll touch on it briefly so with that being said thank you for listening to the Chris Pangol show here on our legacy of 9-11 show we thank you so much. We'll talk about our personal stories when we come back. Welcome back to the Chris Pangol show thank you so much for being here we are talking about the legacy of 9-11 and we are now going to get into that particular day.

37:34You know right and hold I cut you off so why don't you just start I mean it what you were your former military were you in the Gulf War. I was not okay all right so you came over in that okay so you came before the Gulf War okay. So how did that day start and then how did you find out and kind of what happened through your day there. So I was getting up and getting ready to work and as usual I was kind of running a little late because yeah I'd worked late the night before so I'm kind of just getting ready I walk in the room and I just got the TV on playing I just flip on the news to see what's going on you know for the day to see you know what the weather's going to be like traffic etc and I just see footage of this of one of the towers on fire and people and it's basically saying that a small commercial plane accidentally hit the World Trade Center number one I think it was I remember was one or two which was first or second but you see the smoke coming out there I'm like man I was you know everybody's like that's just a terrible tragedy that someone you know messed up and they hit the hit the thing.

38:40And we're watching this and I'm watching this as it's happening and kind of doing some stuff and I look up and I see another you see now the plane coming in and hitting the other tower and that's the moment everybody knew this wasn't an accident this was this was deliberate and then the questions are okay was it a small commercial plane was a big commercial plane let's look at that because when you see that second one come in because we didn't really see the first one live on TV like that that second one looked like a bigger plane. Well you know we're convincing ourselves that it's a you know a cargo plane you know so this is somebody got on there and suicide but they had just a cargo wasn't a commercial plane and we find out it was a commercial flight. And then we find out that there's a tack on the. The Pentagon then we find out you know that the planes are all grounded so at this point I'm like okay I'm going to go to work. You know I'm still kind of weirded out about this like we're we're kind of an attack I'm driving the work and it is deathly quiet and you can there's no I live in you know I was living in downtown in Annapolis and there was no planes.

39:51He's realized that planes in here it's seen weird. And on the way there I remember driving I was driving to work on the way there the first power fell. And I emotionally lost at that point because I knew what that meant I knew that there was now a lot of dead people that weren't you know we were thinking they were going to get out right was you know we may have had a couple hundred people died but then the towers fell and that's more we know that that's devastating. I get to work everybody's in shock we're all sitting around in server room watching a TV and it was just like everybody go home when nobody's going to be able to go today let's just go home right. So go back home and just basically lay down on a couch in front of the TV with CNN on in Fox News and flipping back and forth and trying to figure out what the heck was going on. That was kind of how how that happened to me so. Just just the fact that we didn't know anything we didn't know if there's going to be another attack or and then you know the flight 93 crashes.

40:58Right so we don't know what's coming next we don't know if they're going to now hit you know now that the planes are down that they going after the train stations they go after the ships what are they going next. Remember when the like days after the plane lost an engine in Brooklyn. Remember that and it was just like a plane of the engine fell off a plane and hit a house in Brooklyn like a month after you know in the anthrax attacks came after. The anthrax is a big thing right. It turned out to be not related but still it was like hitting at the same time. Yeah. We don't know is this a massive attack you know there was just so many unknowns for so long. I think that a lot of people still don't know all of the answers of what happened. I think there's a lot of things that we probably won't know just did you lost the history right so some details there but. Yeah I mean it's weird to watch Jenna Bush on the today show talk about 9 11 when her daddy did it. I mean I think that's really odd Harry.

42:01Yeah I'm just kidding. I think we'll talk about conspiracies later but I mean that's really like the 9 11 stuff is the gen that's the jelly together with loose change and all that stuff is like the. The epicenter of what we're dealing with now but but yeah go ahead. I was going to say like a lot of the conspiracy built up from it it was the I think it's like the not only the genesis of like like people like of like mistrust is just more of a way of people was grieving for the fact because just like well Ryan who was watching it some people's like was also looking trying to find answers trying to make logic because it was incomprehensible to us. Right this this can't happen. When you tell some people today like if you walk into the state fair and you walk through metal detectors or go to a cult game. Go through metal detector that's what you had before 9 11 on the airplanes I mean you you the 9 11 hijackers could take box cutters you know the little like. I mean they had with razor blades that's how they perpetrated the attack because you could take those on airplanes.

43:04You know it's incomprehensible I think for people who are in their early 20s to truly understand like why it was incomprehensible because they've grown up in an age of terror. So when it happens you're like yeah it's US foreign policy but then it was nobody knew who been lot and was nobody thought about the Middle East nobody ever had a conversation about these things news didn't talk about it the political structure didn't talk about it. And so it was just like it just came out of nowhere so I think when something so alarming and tragic and heavy happens like that you look for reasons and when you inherently don't trust your politicians. And there as untrustworthy and as lying as Dick Cheney and Condoleez a rice in George Bush. Of course you don't trust them that that they did it now the reality is that when you watch the lead up let's take something like the you know how could a plane hit the Pentagon at that angle look at this greenie video of footage well when you look at the passenger manifest and the the controllers conversation around that plane in the back and forth like very clear that a plane hit the Pentagon.

44:14Or flight 93 the Dick Cheney shoot it down but the timelines don't match up between the dozens of people that were in the sent com room with Cheney with you know who the air traffic controllers and their conversation around flight 93 the audio of Todd Beamer and let's roll like you know it talk about blowing up the trade centers. You know how many thought I was it would be a thousand people that you have to pay off for silence to to plant the thermite in the towers. You know how many people do you have to be have to keep quiet you know building seven I remember being glued to the television and NBC saying you know they were they were going to blow up trade center seven because it was it was about to come down I mean there's but it all gets fed by the distrust of that air I mean right away Dick Cheney. Go on meet the press four days later and starts instead of like reassuring America and trying to keep the temperature down he you know it's war war war war war we're amping up the temperature you know but vaguely like we have tools at our disposal as opposed to you know we're going to do what it takes to make sure America safe it's we have to secret tools at our disposal to make sure that they pay you know and so.

45:35The way that leaders message things really does make a big difference Harry yeah the other thing is that they're like when you brought about the politics of it like Dick Cheney was picked for bushes VP to make bush seem tough because everyone was worried about bush you know you know wouldn't be like if something bad happened he wouldn't have the stones to do something like so like the not saying like bushes like resolved and innocent but like he was you know at the time from my small memory of two the two thousand because in 2000 I was like I'm not going to do that. In 2000 I just started high school was like bushes like the peace candidate is going to be more truthful and like all said he wouldn't be nation building and when we're doing that but people still like believe like well something bad happened you you need someone so like okay grind them out like I've got Dick Cheney something does happen Dick Cheney's right there you know everyone knows this guy was just capable of these right there you know so like that type of political move to get himself elected like if he would pick someone else as like as VP you know who knows what I'm going to do is I'm going to do that. Who knows what that's what we're playing the reason so watch the movie vice listen I want you guys to read angler by Bart Gelman I'm not going to get you to read a book maybe I can get you to watch a movie or document that's why I always recommend those first but I watch this stuff but I also read a bunch of books about this stuff so it kind of fills in all the gaps but watch vice I mean Dick Cheney was the vice was the chief of staff for Gerald Ford he is an absolute

47:03reflecting and that's why he's focused on the power of the presidency and the war in wartime to the point of he the Congress shouldn't be informed of anything. If they disagree the president should have the power to do whatever he wants. was his mentor and also defense the head of the defense department at that time. These are deeply incompetent men who have a very scary power of view of the presidential power. And they when you want to talk about the single most destructive person in the federal government since Woodrow Wilson, it is Dick Cheney and much of the problems of presidential power and abuses that we have seen, things like prism and everything Edward Snowden revealed and they forever wore in Afghanistan and how they weren't executed right and Iraq and invading that. The root is Dick Cheney and George Bush was angry and went along with it was portrayed as a buffoon being controlled by these people. I don't agree with that at all.

48:03He was very cognizant of the choices that he made and was the decider. But Dick Cheney is the person that kind of tees up everything, organize this stuff. And you know Paul Wolfeowitz, his deputy is you know on 9-11 that day Paul Wolfeowitz and Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld start looking for the connection between the attacker, the attackers, which they had no idea who did it yet. They had some idea. George Tinnett at the CIA and Richard Clark head of counterterrorism had already that afternoon matched some of the hijackers of the 19 with the known terrorist list on al-Qaeda. And the response from Rumsfeld is find a way to connect them to Iraq. You know four days later at the war cabinet meeting at Camp David, Paul Wolfeowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld are talking about attacking Iraq. George Bush is asking what's the connection to Iraq?

49:04When you hear former officials, counterterrorism officials from the Clinton era who were still in the Bush administration like Ali Soufan, like Richard Clark, like you know several of these folks, they repeatedly say that they were obsessed before and after 9-11 with Iraq. And it was there was no known connection. The closest to the connection hold on let me wrap this up and then third to you. The connection that was used by Colin Powell in pitching the war in Iraq a couple of years later was information. We know that the smoking gun terrorists that they had found lied to his interrogators because I wanted you to he literally said I wanted you to stop torturing me. So I told you what you want to hear. He gave them compliance, not information. And so the and they knew days before Colin Powell went to make the case for the war at Iraq

50:04that that guy had lied and they let Colin Powell lie to the United Nations. There the Muhammad Ata had met an Iraqi official, I think in Turkey at one point for a lunch. And that was the other smoking gun of the connection to Iraq. There was no connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda whatsoever. And and well Zarkawi had had fled to Iraq and had had found safe haven. That was one of the other connections. And Zarkawi is the one who is the father of ISIS basically. Another person that they had a chance to kill multiple times and they never did it even after 9-11 when they had broad powers. So the people that responded to 9-11 at the heights of power were deeply flawed in their judgment making because they were so hell bent on the politics of Clinton. And then after that the politics of Iraq go ahead, Reinhold.

51:05So yeah, the whole thing one of the things that's lost a lot in this whole conversation is that in the lead up to the election Bush was actually was going out and saying he didn't want to be a nation builder but he also said he wanted to go and finish what was going on in Iraq because that had been dragging out for 12 years. So his dad had done the, we took out Saddam's power but we let them in charge with an agreement and he was refusing to follow it. He was refusing to follow it because he wanted everybody to think that he was still powerful that he wasn't being cowed to by the by the Americans. And he had gotten rid of all the WMDs but he hadn't done it in front of inspectors like he was supposed to so that he could create that atmosphere of defiance. Right? Well, I may still have them. They'll come attack me because he's worried about Iran, you know, coming in. So all this is going on. Clinton spends his whole two terms dealing with this. Finally in 98 attacks Iraq and pulls out the inspectors.

52:08So we have no inspections on the ground going on since 98. We bombed some places. We bombed an aspirin plant that was actually tied to Al-Qaeda in some way but I think it was a third a third hop but it was still kind of tied to it but they didn't know either side was was working on it. And that sort of thing was going on. So when Bush gets into office and he's talking about taking care of Iraq that there are polls that were done in early part of his first term before 9-11 where 68 to 72% of the people were supportive of militarily going into Iraq. So there was support for this going at that time. Now when 9-11 happens they're looking for this as, hey, this is the key moment where we now just go do it. Right? So when a clear moment when it makes sense to go instead of the negotiations that were

53:08going on for months before that. So that's when that starts ramping up but it's not necessarily that they were just looking to swing wildly. They had their sights set on Iraq before 9-11 even came about. Yeah. One of the you cannot under look the relationship between Paul Wolfowitz who was a special adviser to the president on, on, you know, foreign affairs in the Middle East. And the relationship between him and Chalibi who would become the first president of Iraq post-Sidam. Chalibi was in America all the time being funded by think tanks and the American government. I believe the American government to, I mean, he was coming and giving speeches at all these think tanks about the dangers of Iraq and how America needed to help fight for freedom in Iraq and how we needed a regime change. And Chalibi had a lot of these people snowed and he gets put in his president and immediately just starts ripping off the Iraqi people and the American government and eventually falls out with the Americans because of his corruption.

54:11And I have, I mean, this is wildly speculative but I'd love to see Paul Wolfowitz's bank accounts, you know, because he was so focused on it. He felt that they had made a huge mistake in Iraq that they needed to correct it. And he, you know, Rumsfeld is the same way. He's like, go in and attack leave. And then if you got to go back 10 years later to fix whatever you didn't do right the first time, then you do it. That's the Rumsfeld doctrine. So Harry, do you want to comment on this or do you want to talk about your day on 9-11? We can talk about my day. All right. Tell us what happened to Harry Price on 9-11, 2001. Well, since most of you probably know I was in, in IPS. So I was in public school. It was the week of the, how were you? I turned 36. No, I mean, how old were you then? At then, 2001. Reinhold had just turned 36. It was 20 years ago. Oh, man. Subtract 20 from what you are now. Man, I was like 15, 16. I remember.

55:11Anyways, it was too long ago. No one took no one counts that slow. Anyway, so yeah, it was like 15, 16. And it was the week of the stupid standardized test in IPS. Everyone in Indiana remembers the pre-test that if you don't pass this test, you do not graduate high school. Well, they gave you every year in high school. It was, and I passed it freshman year. So there's nothing to do for three years in my life for this whole week. It was set together. It was back to, you know, planning on like, all right, we're going to be, they plan on just shove a bunch of these kids that did not take this standardized test in the, in the gym. They've been playing ball games through what they want. You know, I was in there. It was like, all right, we've got some comics. We got some D&D game. Where's the play D&D O league? Cause we have nothing there's nothing for us to do. The school is all doing the stupid standardized test. So we're in there just reading, doing all the things and all of a sudden someone walks in and talks. And it's like, did you just see the news? So like we're talking about, we're in gymnasium. Like, did you guys hear this? And then like this whole Hubble, and it was just like, wow, fire has news.

56:12Just like started to like the piece around school. I'm like, I'm not gonna be like, well, what did you see the same thing? Well, this is 2001. So like no one really had himself. I had like one of the brick no key of phones, but you weren't allowed to have it in school. Correct. And they took your, right. And if you had a page, for some reason, you were a drug dealer if you had a page, and if you got a, if you sent a text message, it was 10 cents and your mom would kill you. So you nobody was texting you anything. Right. They don't call you after free. Well, you get your free minutes, okay? Yeah. So you know, there was I step at our school too and they didn't tell those kids to like 430, like till they were done with their I step test. They kept it hidden from all the I step students in my high school. Well, the people who do into the test, they were keeping that hidden, but the people who were taking the test and the gymnasium, that's how it got you because it was more of someone who was watching up the teachers were watching it. And then it just got spread around the high school and then it went like while five around the school. Eventually everyone went and they eventually let us all out early. So we like, so we just seeing all this witness

57:13and hearing it on the news about like these terrorist attacks that was going on and how the two towers were just hit and we're watching it. And they're like, okay, now, now cram into these buses and go home. I mean, it, I mean, how did it affect you being so young? From what I could like, I really remember like that, it just, I don't know, like I was almost like numb from it. Like it just really couldn't like, like at that time, I really confided in the numbers of like the people that were hurt from this thing. Like it was just tragic. You remember that just happened. And I can only really relate because I grew up in such a peace time as like it's still like movies, right? So I'm just thinking like, okay, this is this part of the movie, like something happened. There's going to be like someone's going to the end announcement of who did this. So like when they got on like someone push, because like this is who did this is like, okay, this is how it happens in the movie. You this is they have to have proofs, right? This is the US. This is the proof the person who did it that. So like when you and when that trust was broken, like, okay, I don't really kind of believe this was going to be something else. And that's how I fell into conspiracy land.

58:13The whole thing thing. Really? So you, are you a truth or? Used to be, yeah. Really? So what, what, what did you believe about it that you don't believe now? And why do you not believe that? Yeah, I did believe the inside of the job thing. It's worth the simple fact that it just at that age, you just get thinking like, well, if they have all the technology, they're all viewing this thing. Why couldn't they see this happen? And why couldn't they prevent this from happening? Like you could go see like, yeah, everyone could have saw this on ADSB, like watching these, like, okay, this thing's off course and is going that direction. Like it's just like kind of like, and then like only as, like you get older, you learn more information. It's like because planes used to fly off course all the time. And, you know, you just kind of, and, and, and some things go crazy because things break, okay? And then the idea of this, someone's going to run into a tower. Yeah, it happened once when a couple of sesnas, but no one does a bit commercial plane. It's a commercial plane going off course or something. Something else going to happen. Who knows? Right. Why would somebody kill themselves? Right. Right. For all these people on board. Right. When you don't believe in anything, it's hard to believe

59:14that people believe things. Yeah. It's, it's, it's that thing. And it's like, and a lot of like some of the groups is just like, it's also from growing up. And like the internet was also a new play time. So like also the sharing of information is, isn't as big, you know? A lot of this is still the time when like, a lot of institutions still wouldn't even let you use like, a lot of internet sources, like for sources and like school papers. Nope. You must use a textbook. Get a book. No, no. Yeah. I think we are generally attracted to anti power, you know, if it's, but it's, it's, I think people want a simple, answer to a complex problem. Correct. Yeah. You also wanted that simple answer and you, and it's also way to also like, like I said, I was numb to it. It's also like the grieving process. I didn't really like process the grief on what happened. So if it was part of some big plan, it could kind of help soften the blow a little bit and some preserves fashion. But like I said, like it's, to me, it was just like, it was not being able to process the grief of the event, you know, of what happened.

1:00:14Right. And then it's like, this has to make sense. It has to be some sort of plan. There's can't just be some evil guy that or they're evil. And these people are evil helping them out, you know. So, so how did you, how did you kind of get out of that? How did you find different information? Um, one ago older, read a little bit more. Um, and then I was listening to free talk live. Um, so, and, uh, they kept talking about, um, and people were calling for conspiracy theories all the time, right? And one thing, um, a market and, um, Ian was talking about, uh, like a lot of conspiracies don't pass this thing called the Watergate test. Like, research the Watergate and like, how many people did this pass through before people started to talk about it? Yeah. You know, they barely made 10. Now, look at this entire thing that would have to happen for any of your conspiracies to happen. How many people know this and why did anyone say anything? Just, yeah, there's a past Watergate test. Someone would leak someone with leaks of information.

1:01:14Yeah. So, we would say something on the internet. Someone would brag something. That's how they, uh, that's how Chelsea, Chelsea Mandy got caught wasn't because like, wiki leaks like, like, slip the information. She was bragging. Yeah. She was talking about it. People will always, you know, Snowden, I mean, you will always find out. I mean, I think it's very hard compared to like, you know, in the Kennedy days. It's very hard to keep these conspiracies under wraps. Like, we knew within hours that, you know, the, the news was reporting that, uh, the Syrian guy, uh, what's his name had, had gassed his, you know, the news was saying, uh, Assad had gassed his own people, but you knew within hours that wasn't true because of evidence. It was 20, 2013, but really before, you know, things truly kicked in in terms of social media in the internet. Correct. And if you were ever a project manager, you know that there's no way. Right. That's the other thing. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. Yeah. You can't even, like, you can't even make a work, even do a private, close, like, don't

1:02:18tell anyone we're going to have a cool party and no one's going to know about it. Can't even do that work. Everyone knows about it. Yeah. And the idea that the Bush administration was that competent, like that super competent or right. Any administration is that competent. There is no administration, that confidence, doing it, doing it, doing like that. And you only, but that's the thing is like, you just get older and you just try to, like, you fit, you just, like, look, you learn more things. And the other thing is like, there's something that you just can't find because like, at the time when you're watching it, like, you know, you look things at A and B, like the whole jet, jet fuels don't melt steel beams. You're right. It doesn't. It sure does weaken steel. Yeah. Sure does weaken steel. The other thing with it is the video I still can't find. I can't find. I don't know. So it got taken out or something is that the whole jet fuel in the whole, like, the furnace that it made, basically, like the blast furnace. It was like, basically a crude, medieval furnace that it turned the towers into, but also how it heated up, you know, but yeah, it's, it's those things that you learn about, you

1:03:20know, and the thing is like, when it comes to building seven, right? Like building seven fell like because like most of the shots is building seven, right? Because it's also an age of not a lot of camera footage, right? You only get to see the good side. Most people want to see the good side. But if you go into the archive photos of, it's mostly some they haven't released. You get to see the other side of buildings having words completely destroyed and on fire. Right. And I think it was like, what's it two years ago where they found the information of some up, like the photos of somebody of a first responder at, at, at the towers that had hundreds of photos. Yeah. Yeah. That they like just like was, was released up now. I've been like of everything that someone on the ground, they're taking photos, which, like I said, in a different age, like if no one wants to know that I've been in this type of age, we have like four K footage, 360 free footage of everything right now. But this is 2001. Yeah. That's the only thing about when that, that for building seven, that's always the biggest argument that they always show you the one, one video of it collapsing from the back.

1:04:24Right? And they're like, this, this is obviously control demolition because it all just falls at the same time. There's no buckling or anything like that. But if you go look at the footage that's available to see from the other side, you see it buckling in just like it's described as happening with the weakening and everything else. And it caves in on itself that way. It just doesn't appear that way from the other side. So they will, the conspiracy theorists show you what they want you to see, but they don't show you everything. They don't show you what's, like they say there's nothing left of a plane at Pentagon, but there's photos of the engine and the wheels and other things that are just strong inside the wreckage and outside of it. That's all there. And there's no way that stuff, somebody would have to drive all that stuff in and plant it. It doesn't make any sense why you, why you would go through all that trouble to do that. Yeah. So, it's also knowing that there was already support to go into Iraq before 9-11. They didn't need to do that just to go into Iraq.

1:05:26So Jackie says, I saw World Trade Center 7 fall with a demo countdown live broadcast. He do, right? Like you saw, like I don't remember. So the guy, the George Pataki was saying that they just couldn't take care of the asset anymore. So they sold off with the World Trade Center complex to this guy. And he couldn't get an insurance for it and had just gotten like some outrageous amount of insurance. That was the reason that everybody was in on blowing the towers up. Like it just, none of it ever made sense to me because if you actually like study what happened that day, the lead up to it, that you don't need the conspiracy, the failures of the intelligence community, the failures of American foreign policy are enough. And then like you look at the Battle of Torabora, you look at the actions of the American military and the print like, you know, you look at the Battle of Torabora.

1:06:30We have Osama bin Laden. We know he's there. The Bush administration knew he was there. They, they, people like Tommy Franks confirmed that they knew he was there. But then you have them lying about him not really being sure if he was there or not. They have 70 operatives on the ground in December of 2001 in Torabora in the cave system. There are 100 journalists there. And so Tommy Franks, Tommy Frank says, or somebody appeals to Franks and Rumsfeld and says, we need like 800 special forces. We can get bin Laden if we operate this right. We can take him out. There's no doubt they could have done it. And they had been bombing Afghanistan and basically have blown up most of al Qaeda in the Taliban at this point. And then it could have all been done that day had had Tommy Franks not denied the request and bin Laden slips away through he had prepared for being holed up in Torabora and had an

1:07:31escape plans to Pakistan and other parts of Afghanistan ready. And the United States government let bin Laden slip away. It wasn't Bush because when Bush found out so his CIA brief for comes in and tells him, you know, we lost bin Laden. He goes, ape shit. He starts calling everybody. He has a meeting. It becomes his obsession. And then when Obama takes over, it becomes his obsession until they finally track him down through doggy to work by a couple CIA agents and they kill him in 2011 in a bada bada. But why the decision to not send troops was made to kill the guy that did 9-11 is a mystery. Why they turned away from Torabora and went to Kabul to topple Afghanistan instead is a mystery. One could say that Donald Rumsfeld and the Department of Defense wanted to entrench us in these wars and wanted to go to Iraq to finish the job.

1:08:35That's based on evidence. That's based on assumptions from things that really happened in decisions that that fell through. I have no idea if that's true, right? But you read the tea leaves and you go, well, yeah, of course, if you kill bin Laden in 2001, the public goes, all right, done with that. Great. The war is over. No need for whatever happens in Afghanistan, have a good life. And there's a conspiracy that he was killed or an attack on Torabora. But there's too many videos, too many, you know, he goes on to get to rule al-Qaeda forever. You know, to this point of the effectiveness of the government, you know, there is that paradox of the government. And I am a bottom up libertarian. I have worked around too many of Mike Pence's people to think that Mike Pence and his team are competent, intelligent, capable of managing. I just think the knowledge problem exists. I'm a hyacian. I don't think that one person or a team of people can see how things play out and central

1:09:38planning always fails. And I'm not one of those top down libertarians who thinks that there's puppet masters at the top and the Jews are really in control and central bankers are at the heart of it. And that's why I often seem discordant for many of my fellow libertarians because they want to investigate, you know, the mysteries of these conspiracies. And that's fine if you want to do it. But there's plenty of good arguments for why the government shouldn't be in control of things without making shit up or believing things that aren't true. And this entire thing is true. So, but like, let's look at this. Because this guy's name is Richard Clark. I mentioned him a couple times. And let's talk about the effectiveness of government. Do they have the capability to do these sorts of things? So Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the guy that mastermind 9-11. So another screw up by the United States government.

1:10:38They have a guy here in America who is a bomb maker with the blind shake in Iraq, in America. So this guy, the blind shake was in Egyptian prisons with Zarkawi who is the doctor from Egypt. Is it Zarkawi? He's supposedly died and isn't in charge of Al Qaeda anymore. He was the number two. Now, Zarkawi is the Egyptian. So let me make sure I get this right. I'm on Al Zawahiri. I'll change you in a minute. Can you go play? I know you're wet. It's okay. All right. She spilled her juice. Okay. We'll clean it up in a minute. It's okay. Can you let muffins outside, please? Thank you.

1:11:39So I'm in Al Zawahiri was this guy who was fighting in Egypt and was in Egyptian and was working with the blind shake. The blind shake fights in Afghanistan. Ends up in America on a visa. We let him in and he plots terror attacks. He helped mastermind the 1993 tower bombings. Then we have him all embedded in that we have a mole embedded in his operation. He's making bombs to blow up the World Trade Center. The FBI agent in charge gets in a fight with the guy and the guy gets proud and quits. So they import Ramzi Yusef to finish the bomb and ends up that's what ends up blowing up the World Trade Center. Ramzi Yusef's cousin is a Khalid shake Muhammad who masterminds the 9-11 attacks. He's a complete and total psycho. They are stationed in the Philippines and believe it or not, Terry Nichols of the Oklahoma City bomb and can't figure out how to make a bomb.

1:12:42He goes to the Philippines one month, spends a month there in the same city as Ramzi Yusef and Khalid shake Muhammad and comes back and learn as figured out how to make a bomb properly. So nobody knows if there's a connection there but zero people actually investigated that connection. And so Ramzi Yusef comes here and is effective but his cousin comes up with this idea of flying planes in the buildings and it's called the plane project and it becomes the mission of Al Qaeda in the 90s. And Osama bin Laden when he hears it, Khalid shake Muhammad is the one who actually like changed the game from let's blow up an airliner over Scotland to let's fly planes into the buildings and kill ourselves and bin Laden was like this guy is crazy. He thought Khalid shake Muhammad was nuts. And so they have Khalid shake Muhammad in a city in the 90s under the Clinton administration and they want to go and extract him or kill him.

1:13:44But extraction is better because then you know you have the person and they eventually do capture Khalid shake Muhammad years down the road and he is just becomes a wealth of information in combating Al Qaeda. But I want you to in this listen to Richard Clark the head of counterterrorism at the time talk about their abilities. Talk about their capabilities as the United States government and I want you to tell me if this is an all knowing all seeing omnipotent evil government or if they're just kind of incompetent and can't do much because you just watch this. And if we went into the counterterror government and said he's arrest this man and give him to us the chances of them doing that were probably pretty low. So I wanted the FBI working with CIA to go in and just steal it. Do an expedition. They'll tell the country government.

1:14:47FBI said it didn't have the capability to do a snatch overseas. So we said okay, CIA, you do it. CIA said well we don't have a CIA station in Qatar. We really don't have snatch teams. So we said well US military special forces, Delta force, we know you have people trained to do snatches. And they said yes we do. But in order to do that we need 2000 troops helicopters aircraft carriers to back us up which would have given away and it was something up. These departments and agencies don't naturally work together. They don't naturally cooperate. And as a result it's important to have someone, some group of people who can herd these

1:15:49cats. They can get them all together going in the same direction and cooperating with each other because in fact to do what they really need to do, they need to cooperate. But it doesn't come naturally. It can on occasion be done. But it requires a national security council staff that knows the agencies very well, understands how they work and has a structure in place to get these cats into the same room and agree while they are there to do things that need to be done. And the cats need to be represented at sufficiently high levels so that you're talking to decision-making cats. All right, sorry to our YouTube folks that you couldn't hear that.

1:16:50I don't know why that connection isn't made to you. You'll have to go to 112 in the audio 112-ish. And listen to that clip. So I apologize to our audio audience. But what you hear in that is a high bar of competence that must be reached for something simple like snatching a single person in a foreign country. So Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's in Qatar, which is, you know, Qatar is the country that has Al Jazeera, right? It's not, we're not enemies with this country. I think that is the country that we've launched many of our bases out of or maybe we just shut one down there. But the Qatar government is not just going to let you fly 2000 American troops in. And that's what they said that it would take if you needed to have a single person snatched for elite troops.

1:17:51CIA didn't have a base there. They can't just generate a way to go in and steal a single person. The FBI had no capabilities. Like this is an operation that they're planning for a single person. So think about the resources and money available to the government, to the US military, to counter terrorism chief in charge of snatching one of our greatest enemies. Now imagine trying to do that in secret. And it's a bunch of just secret bankers, meaning with the president in a clandest on the way and Eric Prince, it doesn't make sense. It never made sense to me. And if you believe it, that's cool. You believe what you want. I can only present the evidence as to why I think the way that I do. So let's get to my, go ahead, Harry. It's called kaparta, maledalism. Everyone's got small roles into it. They don't know about the whole picture. Right. Right. There's documents right here. I don't know.

1:18:52I just, I see these folks as the same like if you were like super into the government and think that the government's doing a great job at the pandemic. Do you think Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo are awesome? I just don't know where you're getting your information because I don't, I don't understand. And it's like I see the other people. I'm just like, yeah, that, that, that isn't in the vaccine. So why do you think that it's doing that? So where is it? It's the, it's the, the, the, the, the government as a monolithic, a morphous thing that's kind of runs on its own, like an AI or computer system. It's, it's people, government is just people working on biases and half information and not communicating properly and petty, petty, palpable decisions. Yeah. It's all just people. So any, you have to just kind of remember that. A lot of people kind of forget that when they start going down these roads. Yeah. The, the other thing is with it is like, a lot of people just couldn't understand like,

1:19:53why does it, why do these people communicate? What do you mean? Someone, the FB was too proud to share information with another government agency. I don't understand this, right? Just when you're younger, but then you get into like a large corporation or any company and you realize, wow, people do get too prideful. Don't want to share information. Wow, people don't really talk. People become these silos of information, you know? And like, hmm, this is why startups like disrupt big companies because they're all in one room. They're all communicating. A lot of time there is no ego. Yeah. You know? So like, Facebook sucks because Mark Zuckerberg can't, let his ego get out of the way. He has to create problems that only he can fix. Right. And then there's like weird evidence like this for the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Yeah. I mean, what it does, does that, does that, those little strings of information, does that confirm a whole picture? Yeah, but like, why do they survive? This is right because things just don't burn the way things do and things just, you know, because a lot of things did survive the crashes or did some G-man to show up.

1:20:55Time to drop these passports so people can find body tags. Come on. They can just send it like, oh, yeah. Well, the thing that gets me is that I watched it happen. You can't try to tell me that planes didn't hit those, those planes didn't hit the World Trade Center. And that's what some people have argued that they took those planes, they loaded everybody off of the planes. They flew them empty into the World Trade Center and then they detonated it. I'm like, okay, so we're all these people that run their planes. Oh, they're being held in Guantanamo and being. Why? Why would you do that? It makes no sense. They just keep getting weirder and weirder in their explanations because when you find things out and you prove things wrong, they're like, oh, no, no, here's the other thing. They just keep going down these rabbit holes. And if you just sit back and look at it and remember, we saw this happen live on TV. This isn't, you know, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. Oh, believe the narrative, right, hold. Oh, yeah. See. So I will talk about my experience.

1:21:57I will say that this is easily the aside from probably my parents divorced and my own divorce, the most impactful event of my life. You know, I had been an atheist up into this point and I went to church on 9-11, like, you know, and eventually about in November, I became a Christian. There wasn't a, so I start the day, like I always did, I had a prep period. I was in journalism. I was in the high school newspaper program. I was a senior. I had turned 18 on 9-9, 2001. I had filled out my paperwork for the selective service on 9-10, 2001. And on 9-11, I was terrified. I was going to war. I was so, I was like, how can I get the mail back? Like it was, you know, so I was 18 and I was a senior. And I grew up in a town playing field Indiana that had the largest, I guess you'd say,

1:22:57denomination of Muslims in the city. There's a mosque there. I grew up in a town that was 98% white and 2% Muslim. Two of my friends, Esan Musa Said, are incredibly accomplished, great people. Musa is a documentary filmmaker and has gone on to, he teaches the NYU, I believe, or I think he's at Harvard, right? Now, but he's made PBS documentaries about the Muslim experience, feature films, Binda can, all that kind of stuff. Whatever small modicum of fame anyone, this audience thinks that I have Musa as far out, achieved me and rightly so far, far more intelligent. So check out Musa Said, M-U-S-A-S-Y-E-E-D. So I had some Muslim friends, but I wouldn't say that I knew anything about their religion or their customs or culture. We were just bros that hung out at Brandon's house, you know, head sleepovers and, you know,

1:24:01talked about girls and, you know, life and teachers we hated and that kind of stuff. But their presence in my life was, I think a big reason I'm very open borders, immigration, very quick to look at people who are willing to look down on the minority and whatever topic we're talking about. Because I saw people, including an intermediate friend circle, go from being friends with them to asking them if they had nuclear weapons in the bottom of their mosque. And that totally shifted, I mean, the attitude in school shifted towards my friends for no reason. On that day, even. So I was in newspaper and I had a prep period, my first period of the day. And my teacher, Mrs. Burris, who just won the Teacher of the Year of the State Award, rightly so, I, everything I do is because of PHS publications.

1:25:03I learned everything at high school newspaper. If you have kids in high school or you are a student, go take journalism, take high school newspaper or yearbook, it will, it will just prepare you for a great life as I've had. So Burris runs in and she says some, some idiot hit the World Trade Center. And like this is what they all said to with Bush too, right? Like they're like, oh, what, what drunk person flew a sessna into the World Trade Center? Everybody kind of thought it was like a weird happening, but it's New York City. And so it was everybody was watching the news because it was such a weird random event that something so of such magnitude, like even if it was just a sessna, that it would hit the World Trade Center, that's really weird. And so we, you know, we had just gotten TVs in every classroom and ran into one of the other teachers rooms to watch the coverage. And at that moment, the second plane flew into the tower and your heart sank. Every American that was watching that, their heart sank because they immediately knew

1:26:06at that moment that we were being attacked. The first attack since Pearl Harbor, the first on the mainland, the first, it was in that second, the illusion of safety in the confines of the United States border was gone. And you knew that whatever happened from here on out, something had forever changed. You didn't know what, but it was a moment that was incredibly frightening. It was incredibly sad because you knew a lot of people had just lost their lives. So we go to second period and everybody has the TV on in the entire school. Nothing's getting done that day except for the I stepkids who don't know. And I go to physics and we're sitting there and we're just watching it. When the tower, the first tower falls, you hear across the hallways screaming, terrified

1:27:11streaks from our classroom, other classrooms and dead silence. And someone just goes, we're going to war, aren't we? And I don't know who somebody goes, fuck yeah, we are. And to be in a classroom of other 18, 17-year-old men and women who are going to be the ones fighting that war, it added an extra layer of anxiety. But also like, I'll be the first to sign up. I was not that person, that's for sure. I was 4F, I was glad that I was 4F. I was definitely what would be called a chicken hawk at that time. But it was, you know, my teacher, Mrs. Hood just kind of goes, okay, well, let's just turn off the TV and try to get some work done. And we just couldn't. And then we ended up going to, we had a field trip schedule that day to

1:28:16the Noble'sville newspaper. And I ended up spending the second half of my school day, you know, the right there we're just talking about who would do this, why would this happen, it was all we were talking about, we get to the newspaper. And it's just, you know, it's a small town newspaper, but it's people running around screaming, you know, you know, you're, you're just like getting a first hand lesson in journalism's response to something so big, yelling across the newsroom, picking up phones, calling people, getting reactions, it was so exciting, you know, and for a kid who, I am one of those journalistic nerds that read Woodward and Bernstein and watched all the president's men, at 13 or 14 and wanted to do that. And, you know, that day, I think is really when I became a news junkie watching that newsroom. So we drive home and we're all kind of talking about how the newspaper is going to cover this, how we're going to respond to it. And then I go to work. I worked

1:29:19ace hardware and it was a great job, learned a lot from all those old timers, all veterans, you know, you walk into ace and it's a lot of senior senior citizens. And they were all so sad and angry because these were men who had fought in Korean Vietnam and had fought for this country. And by the time I got into work at five, four or five, they had sold out of American flags. We didn't have American flags in stock for months. And the day that the shipment would arrive, they'd be gone. So, you know, my boss just says the president's speaking at six, I think we need to close a couple of hours early. I think everybody needs to go home and watch this. And I don't want customers to miss it. So everybody go home. And I just remember going to stake in shake and getting my food going home and watching it, you know, alone and just watching

1:30:19Bush and crying at the news, you know, talking about 20,000 people being gone. And that, that fear and emotion, you know, to an 18 year old kid who kind of had my world had kind of blown apart. Like my immediate and extended family from 13 to 16 was just obliterated. And really didn't feel I had any kind of safety net. And it was very, very difficult. So I went to church and every single parking lot of every church I drove past that day was full, which I had never seen before. And when I walked in on the evening of 9-11 for that like special prayer service, it was packed in the Plainfield United Methodist church. And it was just a very anxious time went home, watched the news the rest of the night. And, you know, the idea that 20,000 people had just

1:31:27died in front of your eyes was just inconceivable to me. And it was, it's like if you personally feel unsafe and unscrupulous in your life and then your country also has that. It's just very rattling. So, you know, I bought all of the propaganda that came out of that. I bought everything. You know, we need to go to war with Iraq. We need to go to war in Afghanistan. We need to get these bastards, that anger like there wasn't anybody in the country that didn't want them to pay for this. And you didn't care who them was, whoever the Bush administration said was them, you were going to, you were going to buy them punishing them. I mean, it was, it was three or four years of unimaginable anger and fear and it was stoked by the president. It was stoked by the media. It was, it was

1:32:28relentless. And then when you get to the realization in Guantanamo Bay that they're basically torturing these guys, you didn't particularly care. But the rest of the world cared. And that's when it started to erode a mayor, you know, like Putin, Condi Rice talks about how an Apple TV has a documentary that kind of follows the inner circle of the Bush administration on that day, really insightful, really interesting on what Bush did that particular day. Condi's like, we called, you know, we're off of the Cold War right. And so she calls Russia like, hey, we're mobilizing. And when we mobilize, we don't want the Russians to get spooked and mobilized. So somebody ought to call Putin to make sure they don't accidentally nuke us. So she calls Putin and he said, we're not mobilizing. We understand you got to do what you do. And we have you have our full support. So the world was totally united is the first time that NATO was mobilized and activated

1:33:33certain parts of that charter to help the United States. And then Guantanamo Bay comes about where the world realizes that we have picked Bush's direction, the legal equivalent of the moon to take these people. We had we had dropped leaflets all over the country saying you'll get rewards for terrorists. So people were turning in their neighbors like I fucking hate that guy who you know, his camel comes in. I don't know what they do, right? Like people were just turning in neighbors and we were taking them paying them money and shipping them off to Guantanamo Bay. And torturing them. And you see that in the long game, illustrated really well on Netflix. And then you know, the invasion in Iraq, I mean, Saudi Arabia was begging us not to invade Iraq because before this moment, before Iraq, there was a well-balanced Sunni and Shia.

1:34:35Like Sunnis and Shia's got along. They weren't at each other's throats. They were competitors. They were united against Israel. And there were always kind of these, you know, these these bin Laden's who were kind of under the radar. But by and large, you had balance in the region between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Shia Iran and the Sunni Saudi Arabia. They go to the Bush administration. They said they beg. They say, please don't invade Iraq because if you do this, you're just going to get Iran taking over the region destabilizing funding Hamas, building new Hamasis. And you're going to end up with Iran having an in balanced area. The Bush administration said, we don't care what you think. And they were completely right. There's the Arab Spring played out. ISIS comes about. And you have basically the Afghans, the Taliban in Afghanistan right now are not threatened by Americans or any other presence,

1:35:39except for the new, I forget the name of the group. But it's basically the Iranian Hamas has moved into Afghanistan to fight the Sunni Taliban. And I'll kite it there. And so there's going to be another civil war in Afghanistan over control between Iran and Saudi Arabia essentially. And look up Yemen in Syria if you want to see how that plays out. How that works out for people. So you have these divisions stoked by these things. You know, one of the goals of ISIS and Zarkawi was basically to pit Sunnis and she is against each other in Iraq. No American can visit Iraq today because you will be kidnapped because they blame you for the misery that takes place there. So it had profound implications for the Middle East and the people that live in these countries. It had profound implications for our soldiers. I have a friend who just lost one of his best

1:36:44friends to suicide. He was a veteran who could just never quite get it back together. And I think the numbers 20 some suicides a day that are taking place in our military. Like, well, that's what we got to fix. You know, we were angry. We were emotional. We let our leaders decide for us what was the best course of action because they helped stoke our anger. And they didn't pay the consequences. They're all getting multi-million dollar book deals and speaking fees. They didn't suffer any consequences for being wrong over Iraq in the response to 9-11. We paid the consequences. Our soldiers paid the consequences. The 200,000 civilian deaths in these countries, they paid the consequences. The 300,000 opposition fighters, they paid the consequences, but if you're an opposition fighter, okay. You know, the several

1:37:48thousand American military and American contractors that have died and still bear those wounds, they paid the consequences. Our economy that has been rotted out from the inflation, the money printing that it took to continue to fund these wars. Nobody's talked about the two billion dollars you've saved in the last three weeks since we got out of Afghanistan. We paid the consequences. And you look at the January 6th insurrection where we attacked our own capital because we've turned against each other and we have rotted out the soul of this country. We can no longer come together. We can't stand on the steps and sing God bless America because we're now at each other's throats. We paid the consequences. Not Dick Cheney, not Donald Rumsfeld, not Paul Wulfowicz, not George Bush, not the Democrats that voted for this like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and John Kerry. None of them paid the consequences. 2008 crash. You watched the big short. All that's still going on. None of those bankers and politicians paid the cost.

1:38:53Donald Trump completely fails at testing. He doesn't pay the consequences for the hundreds of thousands of Americans that are dead because he failed in the moment of crisis. You look at the vaccine rollouts and the conversations that we have, you know, the January, the only people that are going to go to jail for the January 6th insurrection is probably like an infowars host. You know, but what are the consequences by the decisions from our rulers that led to that moment? And because they never had any consequences placed on them, we're in the moment that we're in. And it all starts back at 9.11 and you have to understand 9.11 to understand where we're at now. And it's really clear and really easy to understand just by watching a few documentaries. And understanding that's where it begins. Just start with front line after America after 9.11. And look at all the lies, look at all the failure and look at all the consequences that they didn't suffer that we have. That's right, baby. Mickey Mouse and Clubhouse. Thank you. That was a

1:39:59perfect end to my monologue. Thoughts, Reinhold, thoughts, Harry. I have some thoughts. So in one of the documentaries we were watching, they'd make a great point that a lot of people don't get is that the day 9.11 happens, we have support throughout the world, even our enemies, right? And you mentioned that a little bit too. And if we had capitalized on that, we could have solved a lot of stuff that was going on at the time. We could have got some piece deals done maybe. We could have got some things happening. But instead we chose a different route. We weren't the better people that we should have been. We let ourselves become more base, more focused on revenge, on preventing this from happening again. Instead of really identifying what the causes were, why somebody would think that this was something that they had to do. Maybe it's because of our

1:41:01actions that we should have been taking again with. We decided to go down that path. And that's where some of the modern kind of guest right. If we had acted properly, we could have had some of the modern and he had been dead. His movement would have been dead within two months after 9.11. But we didn't do that. We instead, we enraged Europe. We got them against us. We started. France really trying to get us to stop doing this stuff. And we ended up turning on them and calling them enemies of the United States. And now we have freedom fries instead of french fries. We don't want to stay French because France was horrible. Anybody who spoke out against it, there was a lot of people who were trying to stop this and get the war to not happen. But they were just canceled as it were. I mean, like what happened to the Dixie Jakes, things like that. So we went a different way. If we had gone the right way. And if we had been the better versions of ourselves that we

1:42:07often think we are, it would have been no different. And I see the same thing with what's going on now with the virus. You know, if we had all got out and got the vaccine and when it was available, we got it taken care of. We wouldn't be worrying about force vaccinations and everything because we would have done the right thing to begin with. And we just don't do that as a people very well. And the only way we're going to advance as a society is start being the better people that we can be and we idealize ourselves as being. Yeah, where do you think that that mistrust comes from? It starts here. The distrust of your leadership and people like Kamala's harrassing. I don't trust Trump's vaccine. Like it's all meant to just keep us destabilized at this point. You know, I mean, and Jacob makes a great point that needs to be mentioned. Suicide deaths are four times greater than the deaths from combat. I think it was 2000 in Afghanistan have died in

1:43:11combat. And somebody had the total death tolls on Twitter. I'll find it. But more than that of people that served than than combat deaths that this stuff needs to be understood that there are so three 3000 people died on 9 11 as many people have died from cancers related to the dig out from 9 11 because of inhaling the mercury that asbestos the concrete the consequences in terms of death and quality of life for the people that went on to solve the mess that was created by our foreign policy is astounding. And instead of addressing these problems and instead of addressing these questions, we get fed fake patriotism and never forget and let's roll and you know, don't question these things. I mean, it's understand perfectly why people don't trust Joe Biden when he starts talking about vaccines,

1:44:15when he starts talking about, you know, lockdowns because we live through 9 11, we've been lied to before. We've been lied to by George Bush and Iraq and yellow cake and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and we've lost friends from all of these things and nobody, you understand the anger in the country when you really break it down and look at these things, Harry. Right. Yeah. And the other thing is it's like the it's also the mistrust of the overuse of the executive branch. People have watched Bush and Obama like and death and Trump, you know, Ryan will get mad. Maybe if I don't mention Trump with it is the overuse of executive orders and the power executive branch. The main reason like most people have got upset with Biden's mandate is like, why didn't you just have Congress vote on it? If it's so important, so powerful, Congress could probably get this pounded out what week, two weeks gets this done. The audio you get the U.S. for the authorization of military force that only Barbara Lee voted against. Ron Paul even voted for the authorization of military force in Afghanistan, which tells you how

1:45:19the how the moment was voted against the one in Iraq. But we still have the legacy of chaining wanting near dictatorial powers by the president to fight these wars. Well, how long do those wars? How long are they going to go? Exactly. And that's why everyone keeps going like with this pandemic. Like could we saw these wars just continue? It's like, so what is endgame? What is your endgame? Do you want to? Right. Because that took 20 years to the endgame of this what's the endgame of trying to take control of every company over 100 people? What's the endgame to that? And where does that go? When does that go away? Because I'm still taking my shoes off at the airport. Right. So people are right to be suspicious. Yeah, which record I do recommend. Uh, if you looking for a new credit card, I always get one that gives you a clear pass as part of the bonus program. Anyways, yes, yes, that yeah, those things are so and like the pa and like it took me a while. It also like like the document to the frontline documentary that made me remind myself, like like memory hold where I had the idea and the the the the the police system of the constitution is how you treat is how people that are born in the land mass knows America should treat

1:46:23humans being period. No matter where you find them. Right. These constitution should have no limits on it based on it because of get it's that palipal pause. See people in the US and you should have is because well, like if you get them outside the system, then you know, the treatment with the constitution bull crap. No, no, no, no, no, we need someone you have the treatment. You know, it's it. Getmo is just like it's ruined the beside it. Like none of these people will be the who put that thing on there will never. Yeah. What are an alien number rights, right? That they're not ones that government gives you that apply to just us no matter where you are who you were born. And we keep having to have that same argument with Republicans. People who are trying to cross into our borders deserve human rights. They deserve the same in alienable rights. The LP of Texas. Great Twitter account. A remembrance of 9-11 is incomplete without a reflection on the lives lost after it. 15,262 US military contractors. 388,644 civilians. 222,719 Allied forces.

1:47:30393,933 opposition fighters, which is 920,000 dead. Those Allied forces in Afghanistan and Iraq bore the brunt of of a lot of the fighting. And you see the total collapse of these forces once we left. So you know, this is the legacy of 9-11. It is it is January 6th. It is the moment that we're in. And we continue to look to the president to our leadership to tell us what to do next. And if you want to end the legacy of 9-11, you have to stop doing that. Hey, did you guys, by the way, because they give you reasons every single day to know that they're wholly corrupt and not to be listened to. Members of Congress and their staff are exempt from Biden's vaccination mandate. Nancy Pelosi says, so so here's the thing. We are,

1:48:38we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That's just not what we can do. It's a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn't. So you're basically like every business owner that you're mandating who doesn't want to get into the privacy invasions of your employees, but it's okay for you, but it's not okay for the guy that runs out 200 person business. How fucking hypocritical? Every major piece of controversial legislation that they pass, they exempt themselves from. So it's what you don't need conspiracy theories. Just pay attention to the news. Listen to the show. You'll see they're wholly incompetent and corrupt and unable to rule over your lives and make decisions for you because they're just going to do it wrong and then blame you and then never pay you for the problems that they've caused you. They're going to make your dollar run. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like the first time we've had a Democrat president just do what they want

1:49:41from the. Yeah. It's the Democrats, man. Oh, okay. Okay. You get there's a real problem because you've just said like, no, no, no, it's the Democrats fault. Blame the left. Just the left fault. All right. That's fine. Sure. Sure. Let's just do that. That's fine. Remember how great it was on your Trump. I remember how much money I made in a Trump. That that was awesome. But uh, lib tards like Reinhold just want all of us to get forced vaccinations and die. Yeah. What like the, the main thing like it, like what's the big gateway for this thing is like the is that we've already watched by like disregard with the Supreme Court has said once and then tried to tell someone else those themes on the Constitution and then go back and forth. It is like the Andrew, it's almost Andrew Jackson levels of disregard of other branches of the government getting that close. Yeah. And I was like, you're being like, I'm not being hyperbolic. It's that freaking close. Like like, Australia is like, it's t it's t dirty dystopia. Lied and it's just this is getting ridiculous. I know, I know, I know, forget the, um,

1:50:46there's authorization there from Congress to to kind of do this already. They're whistling it in, but it was given to the president to have this authority. And the Supreme Court's already upheld forced vaccinations anyway, back in so much. You know, 100 years ago. Fuck that. Who cares? New Supreme Court? We have done it. We got, we let ourselves get to this point because we haven't pushed back on the expanses of government. I see your point 30, 40 years. Yeah. They keep building more and more precedent. Justin Amash had a good tweet. Many of the people who claim to care deeply about voting rights show utter contempt for representative government. They're cheerleaders for undemocratic unilateral executive lawmaking and the unaccountable omnipotent administrative state. Yep. Now, the great thing about that tweet is you don't know which side he's talking about because it applies to both sides. And so let's start acting like it. Yep. All right. Yep. Go ahead, Harry. And then finally, I was going to say, I was going to say like, yeah, and that is like the main thing like what people go about most of those losses because

1:51:49they don't get the vote on them. They're just put down by some three-letter agency. There's like, this is these are the rules. Nope, you don't get the vote on it. Nope, too bad. Too bad. Too sad. Pounds saying you're dealing with it. My big takeaway from like today is just like, you know, if you're like most people on this event, you know, it's been 20 years. It's let people also grieve the way they want to grieve. You know, if we're really hurting anybody, let people grieve today. Be careful with hot takes. You know, you know, uh-oh. Don't read my wall. Don't read my wall. First tweet, first tweet in post of the morning. Yeah, people pro. It was uh- Hold on, it's loading. As I told you, okay, watch the hot takes. It was I would like to extend my best wishes to all. Even the haters and losers on this special date, September 11th.

1:52:53Yeah, it's just. Hey, I'll give him credit. He was the funniest president. Didn't need to leave that tweet too. He did. Yeah. Later. The haters and the losers. Yeah, there's a great documentary too that just, um, on the emotional aspect of 9-11, is the falling man. I don't know if you've ever seen it or not. No, no, they're, I'll watch it, though. And then there's one where these, uh, I forget what it's on, but it's, I think it's just called I will find your apple juice in just one moment, my love. Uh, 9-11, it was 9-11, it's these two French filmmakers were embedded with the FY, uh, New York Fire Department. And they're, in August, we're like, we need to just stop doing this because there's nothing exciting. They haven't even been on a run with this guy. And then they have unbelievable footage, uh, of that day and what it would like to be a firefighter. Um, three, 144 firefighters, I believe, died that day. And in the 20 years since 9-11, 247 have died in the line of duty, which tells you

1:53:56how devastating it was to the FDN, uh, and why I am not the type of libertarian that, uh, enjoys crapping on police and firefighters and soldiers. I just want to say thank you to everybody that has borne the cost of 9-11 and it's aftermath. Uh, we appreciate you. You're not forgotten. Uh, we, honor your sacrifice and want to hold accountable those who have caused your suffering. And it is not an attack on you that we want to do that. Libertarians are trying to prevent more 9-11's, more deaths from soldiers, more deaths from firefighters. Uh, and, and just want to say thank you if, if you are one of the, you know, if you are in one of those, I, I don't know if there's like a 9-11 FDN, I, I, but I will say that I know that there are soldiers listening to this that fought in these wars. We just want to say thank you. And, uh, our sincerest, uh, apologies that you had to do that. Um, because if libertarians, if I, Reinhold Harry had been in charge, I hope we would have made a

1:55:00different decision. Um, but we just want to say thank you. All right. Well, final thoughts, boys. So are you going to, I don't know, do this again, a little bit further into the what happened after 9-11? Are we going to, I think we should let this go. No, we got to, I think we, we keep going down this topic, but I have, uh, basically my own little hijackered here. Your apple juice is not over there? Oh, no. What are we going to do? I know. I'll get you apple juice in just one minute. Okay. I need to say goodbye to my, it's in the bathroom. Better make sure it's apple juice then. All right. Oh, Joshua, Sexton, thank you. Hold on. A YouTube talk for just a second. I have to open my birthday present from Joshua. I'm so glad he reminded me. So, uh, Reinhold final thoughts. Yes. Uh, final thoughts are, I wish we had learned the proper lessons from 9-11. I wish we had acted

1:56:06the and been the, the idea that we think we are in this country. And I think it would have been a whole different last 20 years if we had done that. I think we had an opportunity. We squandered it. We lost any kind of moral ground that we had, um, and should have had. And, um, it's going to take a long time to even try to rebuild any of that, even if somebody wants to. And it doesn't look to me like anybody does right now. Yeah. Fear and division. And that's the unfortunate part. Fear and division are such good tools. Mm-hmm. Okay. So here's the background. My birthday was September 9th. I just turned 38. And every year, Joshua Sexton sends me a present. He's the only listener that I like because he's the only one that does this. Uh, one year he sent me hilarious coasters. Oh, you found your apple juice? Oh, good. Can you take a drink? Stay hydrated. And one year he's sent me beautiful glasses with the logo etched in. Last year, he got me this beautiful painting as dear leader. I was, he made me a lord of sea land. Uh, so now I am, uh,

1:57:14you're supposed to call me lord. It is a box. Okay. Uh-huh. Are you going to help? Are you going to help me open the present? Well, let's see what it is. Okay. Um, so dear leader, my house will be celebrating the birth of the leader with the traditional celebration. Happy birthday, your friend, Josh, was Sexton. Uh, the package is addressed to Oh, me so holy. To Chris dear leader. All right, here hold this. All right. Let's see. Looks like corn of some sort. Uh, oh, I've got the green screen on. That's why it's so, it's green and so it, it's started showing up as the green screen. All right. So yeah, so we got something green here. It is a present. What is it? Here you will pop those. All right.

1:58:20Hmm. It is a vote of candle with Saint Dennis. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Patron saint of this is right hold. Smells like, uh, patrulli. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's that made my day right there. I really appreciate it. Oh, my. This is the patron saint of creeperterians. Saint Trisha. Oh, smells lovely. Okay. What do we got here? What was Trisha said? Let's see here. Awesome. That's what it's directed at the bubble wrap. I don't think might all has a sign. Okay. Let's see who's this. Uh, patron saint of Chris's happiness is Saint Reagan. Oh, and let me, let me just, it is Saint Reagan and my associate producer here.

1:59:27Very cute. Okay. See who else we got. Saint Harry patron saint of Wifus. Let's see. Did it pat down callbacks? Oh, I won't get myself in there. Look at you step it on them. All right. And then we have Saint Chris patron saint of all libertarians. Uh, that is, that is great. Thank you so much. That is so funny. Uh, truly appreciated. Joshua is always so thoughtful. Gives me the most thoughtful gifts of anyone in my life. So thank you so much to Joshua Sexton. I really appreciate you sending that to me and happy birthday to me.

2:00:27So if you want to give me a gift and become a patron join wall plus dot com pictures. Yeah, I will, I will post a picture in the group for sure. So that's very funny. So all right. Thanks so much for watching the Chris Spangle show. If you got something out of this, please share with your friends. Spread the word. Tell them that there is a show out there that is going to make them think and not necessarily make you angry. Uh, and that you learn a lot from this show. We really do appreciate it. So thank you so much. Yeah. I love bubble wrap me and the associate producer are going to have so much fun playing with this. Uh, and really, can you say thank you? It's a candle. Yeah, you can hold them. What does it smell like? Paint paint. All right. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the Chris Spangle show. We'll see you again next week.

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