The Jesuits: Kingpins Of The Matrix (July 2016)

0:00I'm gonna be me, and you need to be you, just set your mind free, and give yourself true, now don't fret baby, it's like a night out on the town. Welcome my friends to the Sager Quay Radio Hour, you're home for free and critical thinking, and I'm your host Mike Williams. Tonight my very special guests are Jamie Lee and Bruce Hillier. Jamie is a former investment banker and the man behind the popular website and YouTube channel called Applying Truth. He is an alternative researcher exposing the dark agendas that many in the truth community won't touch. Bruce is the person behind the website the Martinastic, and spent 20 years in the insurance and financial industry with a Fortune 100 company, and after personally experiencing the financial crash of 2008, decided to dive deep into the rabbit hole and unravel the sinister agenda undermining humanity.

1:07In this show, Jamie and Bruce will talk to us about the Jesuits, who they are, along with helping us understand the staggering level of power and control they possess, and how that influence is used to bring about their world order, of total domination over humankind. And to start the conversation, I asked both Jamie and Bruce to tell us a bit about their journey in life, and here is what they had to say. My background goes back to beginning a career in Wall Street in the 80s, where I worked as a clerk on the floor. The stock exchange and worked up to the investment banking firm of a firm in New York, and then I went to a banking firm in San Francisco, Roberts and Coleman Stevens. And then from there, I started my own company in 91 small research investment boutique, and then from there, I went and started discovering, like you were going to talk about 9-11 was a great awakening for me in the energy crisis and whatnot. So I ended up moving up to the country and started just doing a whole bunch of reading, researching for the past 68 years, about 68 hours a day, and just learning just these really occulted truths and using my Wall Street experience with research and being able to look kind of like about how the nuts and bolts of systems work to get where I'm at today.

2:25So I'm just happy to share some of my research with you guys. Excellent, Bruce, how did you get stock? My background somewhat similar to Jamie's actually started an insurance with a fortune 100 company worked up through management, and then I decided to get into financial services after the market crash is a dot com crash and the subsequent 2007, 2008 real estate bubble. Found myself back to square one after both situations. I then had a lot of questions about what I was doing and the advice that I was getting and I ended up meeting somebody who started showing me the real ins and outs of finances and how the banks work, and that's where I was exposed to the Federal Reserve system. I then matriculated that and said, well, if it's happening in this particular sector, what about in other industries and that kind of got me rolling and I never really look back and it just took off and everywhere I looked, I kept seeing the same cast of characters and was able to take all that and kind of triangulate it and say, well, this is a lot bigger than just the financial sector.

3:31I'm really going to make four or five years ago, I really just really just woke me up and I haven't really looked back since. How did you guys connect because you guys work together, right? Yes, we do. Jamie, why don't you handle that one? Oh, it's very serendipitous. I was, I've had my website's taboo blog, t-a-b-u-b-l-o-g.com and I noticed that there was comments coming in from the modern, nostic and I started commenting back and it was just one of those things we started commenting on each other's sites and then we started picked up the phone after a few weeks started talking and it's been one to two hours a day, but our backgrounds are, he lives on the east coast, Bruce does and I live on the west coast, but we both worked on Wall Street, we both have adopted children, we've just had extremely, extremely similar backgrounds is one of those things and then it's almost like we almost finish each other's sentences and some of Bruce's great strengths or some of my weaknesses and some of my weaknesses are his great strengths, so we compliment each other very well.

4:33So it's been about, I don't know what Bruce, four or five months now into it and we've never met each other, it's been online, so it's been wonderful. He's helped educate me a lot too, so it's been great. We wouldn't have come to a lot of conclusions or come to where we are today. I wouldn't without some of his, his pieces and vice versa, so it was just, it just happened that way and it worked out great. So tonight we're going to get into a topic that again, some people have heard about the Jesuits, some people have never heard of the Jesuits, the people have heard of them, do not really understand the power and the control that they have. Most people have heard about the Illuminati, the council of 13, the committee of 300, the trilateral commission, the council on farm relations and so on and so forth. But the Jesuits, in my view, is a whole different ball of wax and at the end of the day, most of all of what I just mentioned culminates into the Jesuit order.

5:37Is that fair to say? Yes, I would say absolutely. Okay, so how do we start with who are the Jesuits? So for the folks out there that are listening to the show, Jesuits 101, how do we explain to them who they are? Where do we start? The Jesuits have been in power under Vatican. They're essentially the military arm of the Vatican. They have a military arm of the Jesuits, it's called the Knights of Malta. You may have heard of the Maltese Cross, the Columbus, Christopher Columbus on his ships had the Maltese Cross, the Red Shield. The Red Shield is related to the Rothschilds, which means Red Shield. And they were founded under the Vatican to establish basically rule over all dominion over all what they call heretics and Christians. And because they're the vineyard of God, they have the right and they put it into Roman Latin law, which we're still under today.

6:38Also, our currency is under Roman currency as well, maritime law. And so it's all tied back to the Vatican, which is part of the trilateral, you may have heard of the trilateral commission. Well, they refer to the three city states of Washington, DC, the city of London, and the Vatican. And each of these city states are beholden to no country, have their own mayor, their own police force, actually their own constitution, which we can get into a little bit later. And they've just decided that because Roman Catholicism has to be the overarching power that is the representative of God. And since they're the representative, they get to make the rules that they hold dominion of all souls and all land. And they pass some laws back in the 13 and 1400s where we can get into under trust. And that's how our Roman Latin law system got established that we're still using today. They rule by secrecy, they're masters of deception.

7:39If you've heard their name, if you see them in power, they have handlers. They have people right behind them or right next to them to make sure that they don't get out of line. And those are the names you don't hear, which we'll be bringing up a little bit later. But basically, they've been behind the scenes for a very long time. It's just a tremendous amount of pain and suffering. Just the Spanising Inquisition is one. World War II Operation Keyhall, when they sent over 5 million Orthodox Christians back to Russia after World War II and sealed cars with Dwight D. Eisenhower and FDR's approval. And those people were basically either put in the gulags or killed when they arrived in Russia because they fled Russia to get away from World War II and then they were sent right back. They killed military power and they used it through what they called Jesuit Assistencies. And these Assistencies are in Central Europe, East Europe, South Europe, West Europe, North Latin America, Africa, East Asia, South Asia, South Latin America and the USA Assistencies.

8:43And through these Assistencies and through their religious connections, they are able to affect policies of their own secret ways to influence governments, to influence the financial world, to influence the media, whatever direction they want to take. And when you get into the whole legacy of the Jesuits, you're going back easily 500 to 1000 years or more. And maybe Bruce, you can talk about that from 1000 years ago, how they got started with that. You know, they do everything is in a veil of secrecy, so we try to piece together as much as we can. I do want to read you a quote here, which I think everybody has heard of, but maybe the origins are a little bit cloudy, is the ends just devise the means. That is the Jesuit maxim. So whatever it takes to get it done regardless of collateral damage doesn't matter.

9:44They're going to do what they're going to do and that's because their sole aim is to accomplish that specific task. What is it that they're trying to get done? The ultimately what they're trying to get done is to bring in the new world order. And what is the new world order, right? The new world order is going back to the old way it was, the old world order, which is a feudal surf system, fascism, global fascism, period. That's really, and that's certainly, that's, that's, that's all it is in a nutshell, but I'd like to read you a quick quote here, which I find very interesting. It says, my history of the Jesuits is not eloquently written, but is supported by the unquestable authorities and is very particular and very horrible. The Jesuit orders restoration in 1814 by Pope Pius that the Seventh is indeed a step towards darkness, cruelty, despotism and death. I do not like the appearance of the Jesuits. If ever there was a blood, a body of men who married a eternal damn nation on earth and in hell.

10:46It's the Society of Jesus, or Ignatius Deleola, who's the Founder Ignatius Loyola, John Adam, 1735 to 1826, second president of the United States. And throughout, throughout our talk today, I think we'll be able to deposit many good quotes there, right, Jamie? I just was looking at another one from John Adams. My history, I mean, not from John Adams, Woodwell Wilson. Since I had her politics, I've chiefly had chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, they know that the power is somewhere organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlock, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it. Samuel Morris of Morse Code, the Jesuits are a secret society, sort of a sonic order, with super-added features of revolting odidiousness and a thousand times more dangerous. Washington had quotes also on the Jesuits assassinated Abraham Lincoln, the stewards, John and Mary Stewart, John Stewart got asylum in the Vatican after the assassination.

11:55And that was the reason that the United States did not have diplomatic relations since the assassination of Lincoln all the way until 1986, I believe, when Ronald Reagan reestablished, quote, the holy alliance that was put on the cover of Time Magazine, Napoleon Bonaparte, the Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. Their chief is the general of an army, not the mere father, abbot of a monastery, and the aim of this organization is power, power in its most despotic exercise, absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms, and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses. So we have just many, many, many quotes of the Jesuit order, but it was never been brought to the common day forefront of knowledge, or never taught anything about this. This was a man, a Canadian historian, J.E.C. Shepherd, between 1555 and 1931, the Jesuit Society of Jesus was expelled from at least 83 countries, cities and cities for engaging in political intrigue and subversion plots against the welfare of the state.

13:08According to the records of the Jesuit priest of Reput Thomas Campbell, practically every instance of expulsion was for political intrigue, political infiltration, political subversion, and inciting to political insurrection. So this was all said to be founded back in, I think, I believe 1540, when St. Ignatius Loyola created the Society of Jesuits and the Pope sanctioned it, and that's when they said to have started. But it actually goes back to the 13 satanic bloodlines of ancient Rome who were behind the scenes that empowered Ignatius Loyola, and Bruce probably talk a little bit about those 13 bloodlines that put Loyola into power. Jamie had mentioned Jesuitism. You can look up Jesuitism in the dictionary, and it will say a principle or practice as casuistry, equivocation or craft, ascribed to the Jesuits by their opponents, and when you look at what is called casuatism or casuistry, this is strictly a Jesuit function.

14:20Species deceptive are over subtle reasoning, especially in questions of morality, fallacious or dishonest application of general principles of sophistry, the application of general ethical principles to particular cases of conscience or conduct. So they're always changing and morphing and changing definitions, moralities, ethics, and they're always doing that on a consistent basis to keep people on their heels and really never be able to get to the bottom of the whole thing or get to the top of it, which are what you want to look at it. So a lot of it is done through very, very, I would say, very perceptive, total, that's the whole thing is deception. So they do not want, they always want to be in the background, and as you've heard before, if you see them, they're not the ones in charge. Very interesting. So let me ask this question here before we move a little further down the timeline here. Do they control the Vatican? 100%. Jamie, I think you'll agree with that too.

15:21Yeah, and their, their rulership is the church to rule worldwide, the Pope to rule the church state, and the Jesuits to rule the Pope. That's under their command and control. Bycar, which is the representative, the Pope, right card, a representative of God comes from the word becarious. So the becarious Christ literally means the anti Christ. So what we're dealing with here is a religious, a false religion, a pseudo religion, mass to hide the satanic, evil, Luciferian principles. They're, they're all seeing eye, a Cyrus is not just an occult symbolism, they're watching over everybody. They have a, they have a, they have a pope called the black pope, which is about six levels above the white pope. The current black pope is a dolphin Nicholas. The superior general, this is from their documents, the superior general. Here's all sees all does all yet an appearance does nothing. The eye of the general surveys the world to its farthest bounds. There is nothing done, which he does not see by a thousand eyes here by a thousand ears.

16:26And when has it be hast to execute, he can select the fittest agent for a new rule host, all of whom are ready to do his bidding. So we see a Jesuit order Catholic clergy, operating as a papal and royal military. It's very subversive. There's about 13,500 priest members who have taken the fourth vow. And I don't have that up right now, but we should read that fourth vow. And the vow is, is disgusting to read in its entirety and to read what they're, they're committed to is total allegiance to the pope. So the allegiance to the pope came about in the Protestant Reformation because the pope said, my word is God, where the Protestants said, well, the Scriptures, we can read the Scriptures for ourselves and you're not God. So that's when they broke away and they had the Protestant Reformation and then they had to be real back in and it involved the kings and played out with with Spain, who's very high powered with the Jesuits.

17:27And the Jesuits are geographically organized by 91 provinces, of which those 10 Assistencies I read around the world. The military order of Malta, which is the Maltees Cross, has about 12,500 members and their secret society opus day has about 26,000 celibate members and it's headed by the society general. So it's a military operation. They call them generals and he has four assistants assistants to provide care through the Assistencies. They have secret instructions. There was a moneda secreta which was found which was a secret instructions for the Jesuits and it told how they go about doing all their bad deeds around the world in secret and not being seen. They are the masters of deception. It's really, after all the research I've done and just to just a couple years ago start to get learned on them, it was a real eye opening to see who was behind the power really run in the show.

18:28And then they celebrated movies like Men in Black and V for Vendetta. They had the gunpowder plot with Guy Fox that's celebrated in the V for Vendetta. That was a Jesuit operation to get the Princess to live with to the throne and had nothing to do with abolishing parliament, but that's the story we learned. And Pope Francis the Pope that is out front the veneer for the rest of the world is a Jesuit also, correct? Yeah, and when you get into it, I mean it's also the first Pope that has stepped down, Ratsinger stepped down and it was told it was because of all the child pedophilia. So in comes the first ever Jesuit Pope who ruled over the dirty wars, he was our Bishop of Argentina during the dirty wars down there in the 80s. And so here we have just really bad people and their history of being bad and in between they're being made up to be these great wonderful helping the poor type of people.

19:28And it just makes me ill when I see Pope Francis going around the country or the world saying we got to help the poor while the Vatican has more wealth than all of us put together. They can sell just a few of their underground vaults and every all debt in the world would be cleared. It's just really bad the way they hide everything. Yeah, the hypocrisy is staggering. It really is. Yeah, and bringing it might to the current. I mean, we find that the Obama team, the Catholic kitchen cabinet as they're called, it includes Senator Bob Casey, Governor Tim Cain, Representative Patrick Murphy, Senator Ted and his wife Victoria Kennedy, Senator Richard Durbin, Senator John Kerry. Patrick Leahy, Mike Coppiano, Representative Lacey Clay, they're all Catholic Roman Catholic school trained, the director of national intelligence James Clapper went to St. Mary's, Robert Codillo, the director of intelligence school at Georgetown, Deputy National Security visor Tom Dolan, Catholic University of America, a Biden connected to the Biden family, Robert Snyder, director of intelligence program, John Brennan, assistant president for Homeland Security.

20:35Dennis McKenna, McDonough is the chief of staff for Obama, communications director Dan Fyfer, speechwriter John Favreau, they all went to Jesuit Roman Catholic schools. Obama's community organizing in the 80s, John Kelman, he was a Catholic minister, John Gregory Caluso was his advisors at Jesuit priest, Reagan administration also had their full fill of CI director and Knight of Molda George tenant. CI director, Skull and Bonesman, Porter Goss, Joe Biden, Catholics, Donald Rumsfield didn't finish but he went to Georgetown University. John Brennan trained at Jesuit Fordham University CI director 2003, Gordon Lydia of Nixon FBI, he went to Fordham, Trump went to Fordham, Hillary and Bill Clinton went to Georgetown University, General Alexander Hague went to a secretary of state, went to Georgetown, Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense, Ph.D. from Georgetown, a former chief of operations for Blackwater and Iraq, Joseph Schmitz, Knights of Malt and Opus Day, John C. Genon and Robert Beardsworth were crucial in the creation of the Department of Homeland Security were both Jesuit trained, Casper Weinberger, former secretary of defense, Knights Grand Cross, the most excellent Order of the British Empire, I don't have the school he went to but it was a Catholic school.

21:54Going to Georgetown we had Bill King Abdul of Jordan, former national security advisor, General James Jones, Fidel Castro attended three Jesuit institutions, these come from old royal blood family from Spanish lines, Santa Clara University, the Jesuit school of technology down out in California, they graduated Liam Panetta, CIA for Obama, Janet de Poletano who used to be the head of D.H. Department of Homeland Security. Now the head of region at the University of California school system, she went to Santa Clara, Jerry Brown, the governor of California, Jesuit went to Santa Clara, his dad Pat Brown was a member of Opus Day who was governor of California before that. Gavin Newsom, the mayor of San Francisco, Santa Clara University, Ron Paul associated with John McManus, the president of Holy Cross, six out of nine Supreme Court justices are religious Roman Catholics. Antonio Skialo, who just got knocked off recently, Xavier High School, Georgetown University, John Roberts, Sam Olioto, General Peter Pace, Michael Peter Jackson, Alberto Gonzalez, these are all names that you may have heard of.

23:05Yeah, well Kennedy broke away from them and that's why they took him out. Peter Pace, David Patrice, the general who had the sex scandal lodged against him, Baron Conrad Hilton, Nicholas Brady, General Alexander Hague, Pat Buchanan, Alan and Avery Dulles, the CIA and Secretary of State for the United States back after World War II, John McCone, Joseph and Ted Kennedy, but not John Kennedy, Leia Cokka, Edward Hoover, Heinrich Himbler, the right-hand man to Hitler, Bowie Cune, Sports Owner, Clay Shaw, who was allegedly the killer of jail, helped with the JFK assassination, Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., were Knights of Multimembers, Tip O'Neill, Henry Loose of Time Magazine, William Casey CIA, Henry Loose's wife, Dame Claire Boothloose, Prescott Bush was a member, Frank captured the director of movies. Jeb Bush is a fourth-degree Knights of Columbus, Shriners who are also affiliated, John Wade, Gerald Ford and Dr. De Eisenhower. I mean, this list, I've got 20, 30 more names on here. They're all affiliated to the Knights of the Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, all of these secret organizations that are all admittedly ruled from the Vatican and the Society of Jesus. And there's just too many names for this to be a coincidence.

24:27James, you mentioned a couple of schools, so are we to assume that there are certain schools that if these elites have graduated or gone to these schools, that it's pretty good indicator that they're involved in the Jesuit order or the Knights of Malta, you mentioned Georgetown University and Ford and University, are there others? I don't have a list in front of me, but there's I think 25 Roman Catholic universities around the country, but Fordham is located in New York City, New York's called the Empire State. Georgetown was founded one year before Washington, DC in 1870 by a guy named John Carroll. John Carroll was the richest man in the United States at the time. He was a Jesuit trained at schools over in England. He donated the land to form Washington, DC. Why was it named the District of Columbia? What is it a district of? Like a district attorney is part of a bigger district. Third question is, what was the name of the city before it was Washington, DC? Rome, Maryland, Rome, Maryland. Okay. That's seven hills in a capital, a teen hill, just like in Rome. Then when they brought out the Independence Day, you know, the Declaration of Independence from Britain, the War of Independence in 1812, we're going to hang together, hang separately.

25:43The first thing they did to design their flag, they went to Betsy Ross, which is another false story. Betsy said to John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, what colors do you want our new country? What color flag? Because flags are really important, the symbol of our country. They looked across the pond. They said, hey, you know, those bridges got really cool colors. Why don't we use the same colors as them and just leave out the cross? I mean, it's just you get back to the history of our founding of our country. No one knows why the federal government was created in 1871 with the Organica. Nobody knows that the United States of America in capital letters is a corporation that was founded in that year and donated by the Jesuits with the year before they established Georgetown for command and control. We are the new Jerusalem and what they set up in the new Jerusalem was the new experiment. And the one thing Mike about the Jesuits I've learned is they are very, very patient and they are very long term planners. They have a long, long line of just waiting till the right time to execute what they need to do and then they will wait even longer to get revenge. They're very revenge.

26:52So when they created this country, created the federal government, they changed the language from the United States of America to the United States for America. And since we're under Roman night and law, you got to go to dictionaries and figure it all out. But basically what this did is put us under the corporation where President Obama is the CEO of the corporation. And that's why we have secretaries and treasuries in the White House and in the Congress and in the Supreme Court. It's all part of the same corporation. So when we pay our money to the federal government, we are paying into a corporation. And so what they do, Mike, is they put us all on ships in the legal sense of the word because we're under Roman Latin laws, I said. And here's another one. What's the word Latin mean? Nobody knows what the word Latin means. Well, that goes back to Rome. It's part of their part of the way they roll. And so when they created this all, they put us all on our ships, ownership, partnerships, relationships, scholarships. And this is part of the maritime law where they created these trusts back in the 13 and 1400s, these CESQDs or what's called testimentary trusts.

28:00And these three trusts basically said, well, since God owns and Jesus owns all the land and all the souls, we're going to create trust to take care of them. And so the first trust was called an unum sanctum and said, all souls are lost at sea. And this is under maritime law. The Vatican's called the Holy Sea. And so we're going to claim rights to them. The second trust, I forget the name of Roman Panifix, that was the establishment of all lands being owned by God. So we'll set up a trust for that. And then just like in a will, you have a pour over will. They created the third trust as a pour over will. And so they've claimed our whole existence and created these fictitious characters. So when you go into court on your citizenship and you enter your docket, when you go into your river bank with your currency and make your deposit slips with your, and then you account for it with your frozen assets and your liquid assets, it's all based on water. It's all based on us being on our ships. And once we're in this fictitious world, when you get your bank statement back, it's in capital letters.

29:04When you get your social security card, it's in capital letters. When you see the United States of America in capital letters, we're all under this corporation. And so there's a big sovereign people are waking up to this straw man, it's called. And they're actually breaking away and going into courts and saying, no, I'm not ruled by you. I'm not name you say I am and they're resigning from the corporations. When you get your driver's license, it's a privilege. You're under commerce law. All these things are designed to keep us enslaved and do not have, they refer to us as chattel in their legal definitions. They refer to us in their governments as human resources. This is what they think of us. Soldiers, the word soldier, which many people don't know, the word soldier means sold to die. And that's the Kissinger called them dogs. And that's why they have dog tags. I mean, nobody wants to hear this stuff. It's not pleasant to hear, but it needs to get out that we were formed under this corporation since 1871. And that's why nothing will ever change. Nothing will ever change until we get rid of this system that enslaves us all under this legal east system, which is copyrighted.

30:11And they've they've owned the system for a long, long time. But with this disclosures now, I think a lot more people are going to start seeing through the veil. And they're not going to be able to hide anymore. Well, I've been talking about this for a very long time, Jamie, about the fact that we are being governed at administrative by Admiralty Law. And the problem is that trying to get people to understand why it's not a good thing is a very, very difficult job to undertake. Because I think what happens is people don't know what the alternative really is. This apparatus that's in place, it masquerades as the organic republic with the organic constitution and so on. So the question I have and you can answer it or Bruce can answer it. When somebody asks, okay, this is good information. So we're being ruled by a corporation. So what? What does it mean to me at the end of the day? How is my life going to be better if it's not ruled by a corporation? How do you respond to that? It's interesting. You say that because that's the exact same stuff I get. Well, what does it matter? What does it matter if they've lied to us for 500 years?

31:14What does it matter if we're under a corporation? Well, they've got us so under the thumb where all of our electricity, all of our water, all of our food come from them, our banking system, our currency. Everything comes that they've created that we are beholden to to live. How are you going to live if the water doesn't show up tomorrow? How do you know kids? How are you going to live if your smartphone doesn't boot up in the morning? So you have to be into the system. You have to believe that someone is going to be taking care of you because they've created the nanny state, the blue and the red. Why do we have only two choices? Coke or Pepsi, paper, plastic or blue or red elections? It's all theater just to keep us from thinking we have power to to taking away the power of our own authors of our own authority. No longer do I want someone telling me I own a ranch and I own nothing on the property, but if I don't pay property taxes, I mean I grow my own food, I have my own energy, I have my own water, I'll go to jail.

32:16That means somebody else owns me. I don't want anyone else to own me. I am an independent human being. I am not under some legal ease creation that I was born into through the birthing certificate that was created in 1933 from the bankruptcy laws with FDR that we never got out of. It was created the birth certificate so that us channel would be owned at birth and we'd be a securitized number that's actually traded on the New York Stock Exchange as a debt servitude to the bankers from way back in 1933. So when they want to run up to the date like $20 trillion in debt today, where every person in this country owes over $180,000 of obligated debt that doesn't get forgiven, the more these guys run up the debt, the more our children are owned. The more their children's children are owned. So everyone should be absolutely just shocked that they've created this system and ownership society of command and control and that the laws that were made were made to enslave you.

33:21I mean if you think about taxes, when you pay your taxes, you'll ask someone, well if you're against the trillion dollars being spent to go invade other countries under false pretenses, if you're against the half percent making more wealth or the bailout, what was that called the TARC bailout, $850 billion in 2008 that was given to the bankers and then all the bad loans was put on our balance sheet. That's all future obligation to our children. Well, you guys got to wake up because there's no future. And so when they tax you, everybody says the same thing. I ask why do you pay your taxes? They all say the same thing. The reason everybody says that I talk to you says because I'll go to jail enforcement. So using force to pay taxes or threat of force, to me, that's slavery. The system has been set up and then like everybody in the country and everybody hearing this will start nodding their heads, they're dingin' us to death. I mean they're adding taxes everywhere, they're adding fines everywhere, violations are some 26 million laws, codes, violations and fractions that they can collect money from you. Every time you see the word association, every county is an association, they're a corporation.

34:29Every government is a corporation, California is a corporation. They're all for profit businesses. So they need to make money off of you. So they need to ding you, but all of these laws, we're never taught what these laws are. We're never taught, but ignorance of the law is no excuse. They catch you in this catch 22, ignorance of the law is no excuse, but they add like 10,000 laws, state, local and federal every year, now international law on top of it. And our system is set up that if you challenge the system, you have to go up through the system from your local community to the state, to the federal and now to international law. So they get you in the system when you try to do the right thing and go through the legal process, and it's just one more way they just own us. So what we did in California, and we made history here in Mendocino County last year, is we passed what's called measure S. And measure S declared sovereign rights of authority over state and federal law, and that the community bill of rights in our county trump any state or federal laws, the first time the law had been passed.

35:31Unfortunately, the people in the county don't understand the power behind it to to declare their author of their own authority and inside in your communities how to manage their own water systems, how to manage their own communities. I think that may take hold as we go down the road, but that's the kind of action that has to happen because everybody, if you want to take down the system, you're never going to they've been entrenched for too long. You have to start doing the bucky fuller thing and design something better that when intelligence, higher consciousness comes up, people automatically go, yeah, that's a better way let's start doing that. So that's the positive action of taking this all and then creating the kind of what I call new visions of much better ways on the world we want to see, but where you're fighting a lot of programming that's been going on like for hundreds and hundreds of years through the school systems and the government system. So they established all these non government organizations and funded them all and they funded the national education and now the National Education Association Rockefeller founded Columbia schools, the Columbia medical schools University of Chicago.

36:33They took over all the education systems, all the textbook companies and they've been controlling through the Jewish mafia's some people call it from that time. The Robert Barons to this day and now it's now run by the Gates Foundation still bill Gates is in the vaccines, he's in the common core. So it's still the same thing today they use the nonprofits to to shield their income, but then they use them to do the bidding to to get on the boards of all these organizations. Again, a corporation or a corporation, a corporation is a corpse, it comes from the word corpse or dead. It's a legal entity and nothing more, but then they give it legal status that it has the same rights if not more than humans and it's called the right of corporate personhood and this is why corporations get all the power and they can take over lands and do whatever they want Walmart can go whatever they want. But behind the scenes are the Jesuits, they control all of this education process, they control the government, they control through their American Jesuit provincials who runs what and how things get done.

37:38Let me ask this question because you had mentioned before that it's a secret military or secret military operation, structured that way. So some of the audience who are just hearing this for the first time or maybe know just a little bit about it going to ask, okay, well, what military do they have? How do they go about enforcing their edicts, their mandates, their strategy? How do they do that? From a contemporary point of view, just take a look at a quasi organization like ISIS. That's nothing but mercenaries. It's all run through mercenary forces, they could be embedded with traditional forces, they then commandeer other countries forces or the NATO forces, they're all in lockstep. You know, the Knights of Malta, Jamie Crepe, if I'm wrong, Knights of Malta ultimately own Blackwater, we can go all the way up the line. And when you look at the Black Pope, because that's what really also part of the Jesuit order is, is the absolute sovereign power.

38:41It's broken into two parts, the spiritual power and the temporal power. So the spirit, the all spiritual power and then the temporal power being the brute force power. And you've seen that exercise through all the crusades that have happened. I mean, this is going on. It never stops. I mean, when we look through, when we get online and you start looking through and all go down to history, start looking just through images. And what do we see? It's just a constant blood bath, right? It's just all the way down, thousands of years. It's the same type of, it's the same type of story that we get. So they're able to mobilize and hide behind the scenes and utilize other country's armies, infiltrate them, create their own mercenary forces. They have just unbelievable resources at their disposal. So they're doing it through their proxies, their mercenaries, through their infiltration of the governments, they're doing the basically subverting from within. Isn't the US military exactly a proxy? Absolutely. Right.

39:43Okay, so I want to make that clear to the folks who are listening because like I said, they don't know much about this. And so I want to try to kind of walk them through it, because I'm sure they're going to have these types of questions. Now, let me ask this Bruce. Maybe you can help us with this. Now, when we talk about the pyramid and who was at the top of the pyramid out in the beginning of the show, I had mentioned the Council 13, the Committee of 300, the CFR, the Builderburg, the Tri-Lateral Commission, Freemasons, the Zionists. So when we talk about all those different groups, where are the Jesuits? Where are they in the pecking order? The pecking order is as follows and let understand that you have first you have the White Pope, who is the PR guy, right frontman? Right. Then you had the superior general and the background, who is the confessor of the White Pope. So the White Pope does his confessing to the Black Pope.

40:45Now above the Black and White Pope, you have somebody called the Grey Pope, which is Greg Orcini. Bruce, when you talk about confessing, just what exactly is the White Pope confessing to the Black Pope? What's the intent of having that process, do you know? Yes, there actually is a, they're actually in the Jesuit hierarchy and through all of it for the most part is a system of checks and balances where, for example, a pre-late below the White Jesuit can go above the White Jesuit, it's supposed to report to the Black Pope. I mean to the, so they go above, they can go one above and that goes all the way up and down the line. So basically your subordinate is supposed to report to your boss. So it's a system of checks and balances. So it's like in a certain sense, it's, it's like reverse compartmentalization. So in other words, somebody who is a subordinate has access to your boss. So that kind of keeps everything right.

41:46Totally correct. Okay. All the way up and down. And that is, and that's really, that's really what holds it together. Yeah. In my opinion, because that's their system of checks and balances. So nobody can get any ideas of the wrong. Because what we have, what the other thing about the Jesuit order is really a hive-minded organization. That's why Jamie talks about a corpse. We're a corpse. We have to, do we have no mind? And when you read the blood oath, which we can get into later, it makes it very clear that you are a tool to be used. Yeah. Okay. There's these secret societies. And a lot of these secret societies you've never heard of. But the Freemasons are under control of their world monarchy, the all-seeing eye. And if you look at the true pyramid, which you're asking about, below them is the Crown Council of 13. Below them is the Committee of 300, which is the world's richest and most powerful families. Below them, you've got the Think tanks, the Pilgrim Society, the Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, United Nations, Builderbird Group, Club of Rome. And then below that, you've got the finances.

42:47All of the banking system, the Federal Reserve, is a private, for-profit company, made $77 billion in 2012. But they're under the Bank of International Settlements, the BIIS, where all banks clear their trades. It's about the Brexit going on and all this crap, excuse my French, for theater. It doesn't matter what's happening, because all the banks clear through the Bank of International Settlements, which is located in which country? Switzerland. Why Switzerland? Switzerland's never been invaded. It's the House of Rothschild. It has the Red Cross as the flag. It rides the banking for the treasury for the guards for the Vatican. And it's never been invaded in World War I and World War II. And then below that, you have all the corporations. And then I haven't even mentioned government yet. Below that, you have the governments and the religions and all the media and the schools, the intelligence community, military, police, courts, and prisons. And then you have us little people, the population and workers.

43:48So you can see how the numbers just get bigger and bigger as you build it out in the pyramid. But at the very top are these families, the Crown Council of Thirteen, that have been in power, the papal bloodlines, the Farnees, that were commissioned way back in the days of Leola, and the Borgio crime family that created the Jesuits in the beginning. It goes all the way back in these people, these families, mostly of Spanish and Italian origin, are still in control and still in power today. And they have their separate way of raising their children. And then they created the Jewish anti-Semite and Jews are running the world and all that stuff I used to believe. And they're basically what's called off-Judans, off-Judan courts, Jews which Bruce can get into. But we all see the Jews as maybe being the problem in the United States where every presidential candidate goes to APAC and bows in front of the Jews and everybody thinks they're owned by the Jewish. But that's just the front. That's the way they want us to see, right, Bruce?

44:50Yep, and if here's some names for you, Mike, and let's see if people recognize these names. These are the, there are bloodline families above the Great Pope. These are people about, you know, the House of Borgia and Borgia actually is the Borgia crime family, which goes all the way back to Alexander Borgia. And I'll get into that and that's getting into the Spanish Inquisition because this is really nothing but extension of the Spanish Inquisition. Yeah, the House of Borgia, House of Breaks, Beer, House of Somaglia, House of Orcini, or what's called House of Maximus, House of Conti, the House of Cheegi, House of Colona, Colona, House of Farnese, Medici, Gatani, Penfili, Estance, Aldo Brandini. Then you have what are called the Pult-Dautoméic Papal Bloodline, which are the top five families. These go all the way back to the Tomeic Egypt, roughly about 350 BC, which is Orcini, Slash, Maximus, Breaks, Beer, Aldo Brandini, Farnese, and Somaglia.

45:55And then you have the Zorastrians, Bloodlines, which are called, which is the Matillanos, Flaminio, Vaticano, Dogali, Salare, Lotharines, Minervio, Macateo, Salus Giano, Cronale, Aguinales, Pinchaneo, and Escolane. Now, how many names have we heard of those? Not too many, huh? Well, I was just going to say most people have heard none of those names. Yeah, and these people are, for example, the Pavolachinis. They're still not in the, what are called the Tomeic Papal Bloodlines, but the Pavolachinis are, if you look at the Pavolachinis versus Queen Elizabeth, she couldn't even carry their shoes. They are so far beyond that, they are so far up the ladder, that isn't it true, Jamie, that the Queen Elizabeth before she enters the city of London, she has to get permission? Yes. She has to bow down. Yep. And it's also interesting that the word Sir in front of the United States Senators,

46:58Bloomberg, Sir, Giuliani, they all have the names Sir in front of them. And the reason they get knighted like that is because they're doing service to the Queen who's doing service to the Vatican. It's all part of their club, and as George Carlin says, it's a club we're not in, right? Right. But Bruce has this really good information on the half court, Jews, the half-judans, that Bruce, can you tell us how that, why that was founded, and what it's about? Basically, half-judans, you can look up in Wikipedia, look up half-judans, H-O-F-J-U-D-E-N, or court Jews. And at some point, where Jews earned the trust of the papacy, they were allowed to hold court with them. And we're elevated, but that certainly wasn't common, but there were some that were elevated to be able to hold court with the papacy. So when we look at somebody like the Rothschilds,

47:58okay, they are off-June. They are the Vatican bankers. Okay, Rockefellers, our real name is Rockenfelder. All right, same type. They are also the front. So just a backtrack for one sec, when you look at the Jesuit order, Alexander Borscher became Pope, and he is called a diabolical monster, became Pope in August of 1492. Interesting year, correct? 1492? Yeah. All right, his grandson carried on and also financed the founding of Ignatius Loyola, actually in 1534, but all this really stems from the Spanish Inquisition. Let me ask this, because I'm still kind of digging into one aspect of this, and I'm not sure that we've really answered the question, and I'm doing it for the audience, and for myself, quite honestly. Now, when we talked about all the names that you gave us, Bruce, these families,

48:59are they Jesuits, or that those families create the Jesuits? In other words, I'm trying to figure out which came first, or are they one and the same? They're working as one and the same. Certainly the five Tomeic bloodline families. That's Farni, Somaglia, Brakes beer, or Sini, Aldo Brandini. Will they go back to Egypt? So, however, they have certainly certain state out of the limelight. That's for sure. So, they do have... Remember, I said the checks and balances in the Jesuit order where the subordinate can go to the superior and skip over one. Yeah. They are still involved when the superior general has to is going to make a decision, or they're going to do something. It is then brought to, from what I understand, to the papal bloodlines, the top five families, and through the 13, what her calls are, Astrian bloodlines, and then they then shoot it back down to the superior general,

50:01or the great... And then that's adjudicated through the great pope. So, essentially, if I understand this correctly, they're connected at the hip, right? Absolutely. Okay. I was trying to understand if the Jesuits were subservient to a particular group, in other words, they're taking orders. They're very high up the pyramid, but there's somebody above them. They're working together. They are working together. And as you know, with some of your previous guests, studying some of the works of Anatoly Famenco about the Jesuits and maybe some time dilation where history has been, you know, their masters of rewriting history. Obviously, George Obo said, you controls the past, controls the present, that do we really know, for sure? No. How do we really know? They're so steeped in secrecy and intrigue, we really don't know. This is, you know, this is through a lot of... coming through a lot of stuff and looking for similarities, looking for commonalities, looking to triangulate things. But that seems to be the pecking order

51:01as far as I know. Well, and the point I want to get across to the audience, and the reason why I'm really dogging this is the audience needs to understand the importance of the Jesuits. It's not just a word, a name, it's not just, you know, four or five people, it's not some fringe organization or entity that's out there, every once in a while, pages in, pages out. I'm trying to drive the point home that this is something that we really have to pay attention to. Yes. And the Jesuits in their most despotic form is a fascist government. It's a fascist, they want a fascist one-world government where there's a half a percent controlling all the peasants and no middle class, period. And isn't that exactly what Protestantism was against? Yes. And that's why the Protestant Reformation was such a big deal, and as Jamie alluded to prior,

52:02that they were not going to bow down to Catholic Rome and it was not going to happen. So they had to bring it, they needed to bring in the Jesuits to quell and that was called the counter-reformation. Yeah, and you know what? You can see it today, right? You can see the destruction of the middle class, you can see that there's going to be an elite class and then there's going to be a surplus. Let's bring it all the way forward now. That is exactly what Obamacare is meant to do. Yeah. That's right. Disembowel the middle class. And it was Protestantism that talked about the absolute importance of a middle class that anybody can become something, that you don't have to be in a feudal surf relationship. Because that's exactly what the New World Order is. It's actually going back to the way it was, going back to Babylon. The Vatican is not, it's a solar cult. They have their religion on a Sunday. If you look at all their symbolism, they're all solar-culted symbolisms. They were ruled by the Luciferian Principle,

53:03the light bearer. And so they've got us believing that Sunday is their religious day for Jesus when, in fact, that's the Saturday, the Sabbath. So they've changed it all up, but since nobody questions anything anymore, I mean, we have no anti-war protest movement anymore in this country. The protest that the Protestant name comes from, the Protestants aren't protesting anymore. They haven't risen up. But this might be a good time to really lay into the real meat behind their creation. They create the feminine divine. They create the ISIS in order to destroy her. They have to have the male dominant principle destroy the female principle. Because the male is the seed and the female is the receptive. And since the time the seed on the creator of life, I must destroy you. So they play these games over long periods of time. World War I, Stalin was a Jesuit. He was handled by a Jesuit. Lenin, when he came over a Trotsky,

54:05he was trained in the Bronx. He ran a Jesuit newspaper in the Bronx. They put him in sealed trains and ran over to Russia with $5 million dollars of gold. And that's when they started World War I. So that was a communist introduction and a test. World War II. Himmler was a Black Pope. He assassinated the other Black Pope. They didn't have a Black Pope for a while, but he took over power. They worked with Rome. They voiced these wars, and then they played both sides of it. And if you go back in time, they formatted the first 30 years war in Central Europe in 1618 to 1648. They killed over 150,000 Irish Protestants in 1641 to 1649. 1685, they killed over 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots. They were behind the French Revolution with the Polian as their hammer, right? Right, and when he turned on them, and when they exiled him,

55:05and in Croatia, the Croatian War, the Catholic State, over 700,000 men and women and children perished. And Micah, I think I was listening in one of your shows where you read that the fourth vow, or the Jesuits? That was a kerosene Lewis, yeah. So this is just part of their oath they take in what's called the fourth vow. And just like the Freemasons, where the first three degrees are very humanitarian and help all, and really do well. If you look at the oath of the Freemasons, it dovetails perfectly with many of the other oaths that are taken in these secret societies, but they all come from this one oath of the Jesuits. And part of it goes like this, quote, I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly against all heretics, Protestants, and liberals, as I am directed to do so, to exterminate them from the face of the whole earth, and that I will spare neither age, sex, or condition, and that I will hang, waste, boil,

56:05flay, strangle, and bury alive, these infamous heretics, rip up their stomachs and mooms of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their excruable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poison cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poignant, or the lead and bullet, regardless of the honor of rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed to do so by the agent of the pope, or superior of the brotherhood of the holy faith, of the society of Jesus, in confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name, written in my blood, and testimony thereof, and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, made by brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the pope, cut off my hands and feet in my throat, and cut my throat from ear to ear,

57:06my belly opened, and sulfur burned therein, and with all the punishment that can be afflicted upon me, on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons, in eternal hell, forever. Lovely, right? It's great. That, they dedicate their life to the pope, and they become agents, and they will do whatever the pope tells them to do without question. That's their blood oath. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was in a show recently with Sophia Smallstorm, and we were talking about why evil seems to prevail. And I had said to her, I was asked this question several years ago, and I had said that the reason why good has a problem or difficulty, overcoming evil, is because evil knows no boundaries, whereas good and love has boundaries, is a certain point where good people, they won't go there. Evil will go there, plus some, and you know, what you just read there, Jamie, I mean, it's a perfect example of what's going on.

58:07It's the mindset, you know, it's, and by the way, in Freemasonry, I think they call their oaths obligations, right? Which means they're obligated to do these things. So it's very difficult for people to get their heads wrapped around that people actually operate this way, think this way, believe this way, this is why we have one heck of a problem ahead of us to turn this ship around, because many, many people will just listen to what you just read and they'll go, yeah, yeah. And I don't give them a hall pass on this mic, because the information now and the information age, if you read about the Vatican and child pedophilia, you read about all the pedophilia going on, Dennis Hasser just got, you know, child pedophilia charges, that's how they rule. They get all of the officials in, they get them subjected to these compromising positions.

59:07Look at Bill Clinton before he got into office. Right. So they hold video tapes. They hold, and it's very elaborate how they bring them into the system, and they do the next thing, and the next thing, and just make them so committed that for them to step out a line, they can take them out of office, just like they did general portrays. So the information's out there. I mean, it's all over the news, if you choose to see. But what I'm seeing in my friends and family and people I care about, they're choosing not to see. They're choosing not to believe that people can be this evil, and getting to your point, you make an excellent, excellent point. We have to play by cosmic rules, if we want to ascend to higher consciousness, in our true nature, as I believe we're co-creators with God. And if we do that, we can't be lying. We can't be stealing. We can't be killing. We can't be doing all these things. They can do whatever they want. They have no rules. The more they can inflict terror, the more they can inflict harm, the more they can do blood sacrifice rituals,

1:00:07the more power they get from the energy that is created by all of us in fear. They create all these fear false flag events. And if you're on fear all the time, you're back on your heels. Right. Well, if you're back on your heels, how easy it is for you to take your finger and just knock them off. And so that's why they're creating all these false flags events for the big takeover. And the big takeover, World War I was about, the first thing I talked about was communism, and Nazi Germany was country communism. This was an experiment that they did and getting back to Washington DC. It was called the new birthing of Jerusalem, the new creation of America. And can you name the two states on each side of Washington DC? There's two states on each side of their new Jerusalem they created is the Virgin Mary, Virginia and Maryland. This is all a big experiment to these guys. They have in the Vatican hanging the Kennedy assassination with Kennedy lumped over in his car. They have that hanging in the Vatican. They had no no bounds. They know no rules. And for us to play by the rules,

1:01:07it's a lot harder for us because we have to do the right thing. We have to live up to the standards we want to create for the better world we wish to see for our children. It's a great, great battle. And I believe we're brought here to fight this battle right now, but boy, it's sure dancing to go understand the forces we're up against and these kind of pledges they take for just doing the show. One of us could be outed for that. That's the way they work. But it's got to get out and it's not going to be me who's it going to be. So I'm just honored to be able to share this information with people. Being enlightened isn't seeking light. It's shining light into the darkness. And I feel so much more empowered and alive now than I've discovered these hidden fruits where others feel it's disempowering. They become numb. And they just simply just don't want. Their lives are too busy or who are you to be telling me this? And they're always attack you. They do the ad homin and attacks instead of just going on my website. Just read the article for yourself. I'm just trying to share. I'm just trying to bring you this information

1:02:09that I spend six hours a day and reading thousands of books to get learning on. And I'm just trying to share it with you guys because I love you. And to get back from them all this grief and accusations and attacks, it's just part of the game. It's just what we have to do. And I'm glad you guys are doing it because if not us, who's going to do it? Right? Well, what they don't realize is they're enabling. You know, they don't think they are. That's the funny thing, right? This is really weird dynamic that takes place. They don't think they're enabling what's going on in the world, all the evil and all of this function. But by doing what our family members and our friends are doing, which essentially is, look, you know, go away. I don't want to know about this. They're helping to put the agenda in place. I was having lunch about a week ago with two friends. And one of the guys is a geo-engineering activist here in North Carolina. Good guy. And, you know, we're eating lunch, and he says to me, hey, Mike,

1:03:10you know, I'm doing everything I can to awaken people. And it doesn't seem to be making a dent. It doesn't seem to be making a difference. He was saying the same thing that we're saying that all he gets is a bunch of grief and ridiculed by family members and friends for calling out the obvious, right, with his spraying. And he says to me, you know, what are your thoughts on that? I said, you just keep going. That's it. Okay? We may never see the change that we want to see in our lifetimes, but we have to keep going. I said, what's the alternative? To go back to make believe land a fantasy world? I mean, right? The fake reality? Yeah. And make believe that. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Well, but also that they can't adhere. And once you speak, they can't adhere what you said. And so I'm just presenting information. And I call it the echo effect. And a lot of people have this conversation

1:04:10when they get into the truth movement. Well, they aren't getting it. And they aren't understanding it. I don't think that's the work now. I think the work is an inward journey to see if you get it, if you understand. And so then it becomes how to put it out in the right way so that you're presenting the information. But don't worry about what comes back. Don't worry if they're getting it. Because what Bruce and I are seeing now in this truth movement, now that we're 10 years into it. Or so. We're seeing memes coming up, like we've started posting on the Jesuits about what Bruce, four or five months ago, six months ago. Yep. We're seeing articles being picked up. Other sites picking up Jesuit stories. Jesuit, not the Jews, is now becoming a theme around many of the alternative articles. And it's interesting. There's a lot of alternative news sites, like we were talking about earlier, will not talk to the Jesuits. They will not talk about it. They'll talk about Jews all day. But you send them a bunch of articles about Father Jorge Lamatre, the founder of the Big Bang Theory. Anybody want to talk about that? Which an MIT professor

1:05:11and also a Jesuit was on CNN the other day, espousing the wonderfulness of a Jesuit priest that created the Big Bang Theory. Again, people don't want to hear it. They don't want to hear that, that 30 craters on the moon were named after Jesuits. They don't want to hear this vow that I just read that's so disgusting. We're in this, what I call, run to numb. And so by numbing with the bread and circuses, by putting on the football game or getting on your device and tap, tap, tapping, it's escapism, and that's exactly what they want. They don't want us to get empowered by being our total self of a higher consciousness beings that could wipe them out in a second if we ever got together and organized. That's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of us shining light like this. So it's just about putting it out there in the right way. And speaking and not holding our loved ones accountable for getting it or not getting it, because it's happening. I'm encouraged. I'm not hopeful. I'm encouraged that change is coming,

1:06:12but it won't be in my lifetime. We're just starting to turn the wheel of the Titanic away from the iceberg. We're the ones that just first grabbed the steering wheel and went holy crap. And so we have to honor that that we're just breaking the wind now, and it's the toughest work you can possibly have. But it's also, I think, the most spiritual work. And that's why I say it has to resonate with you inside, not so much with how others react and respond to what you're presenting to them. It's fun. It reminds me of the book title. I interviewed James Pearl off, I guess, about two years ago, but truth is a lonely warrior. How true is that? Well, and you look at all the great people, not to compare any of us with some of these great people like DaVinci and whatnot, but they died lonely poppers. They were misunderstood. They were ridiculed. They didn't get discovered so much later. So our legacy may turn out to be, well, we brought this information, others picked up on it, started a movement, whatever. But it's not for the headlines. It's not for your own ego.

1:07:12This is real work of really hard work. I went through illness, Bruce has gone through illness. There really is what's called the dark night of the soul. There really is having to go into spiritual journey of the Kubla Ross of first year in denial. Then you're in pleading and begging that the world isn't going to change to the way you're hearing about now. You want to keep it the way it is. And then you finally have to go into the dark night of the soul and really feel what it's like to understand what a great loss that we have upon us right now what a loss it is for our children. What a loss it is for the environment that's getting destroyed from geoengineering and the crappification of food that they won't even tell us what's in food. The whole toxicity of our world and nobody that wants to engage. And I just think it's that numbing factor where they just look, you know, it's not in my backyard yet, so everything's still okay. But we're a nation of debt. And once somebody owns your debt, you're in what they call debt servitude. And I, for one, am not going to be beholden to these guys. And I will fight to the death to be the author of my own authority

1:08:15and I will be my own person. And I think that's where it comes down to. You have to draw a line and you have to decide that, you know, this is where I stand. And you're not going to own my ass. Because like Jamie says, oh, you know, it happens to the other guy. You never have, you know, of course the other guy says it happens to the other guy which makes you what? The other guy. Until you're personally affected by it, I was just helping my sister. She's been ill. It's just up in the Boston area this past weekend. I have a brother-in-law. And, you know, a year and a half ago, I mean, all he cared about was Washington Redskins and his job. And that was it. And he just sit there in front of the television and just soak it right into the optic nerve. I go up and see them this weekend and it was like an epiphany. And he's like Bruce, because all the things you've been telling your sister, he goes, he goes, I can't not believe it. He goes, I can never go back. He goes, you don't know what you've done to me.

1:09:15I said, I don't know that. I let you go. They had to get you out of Tartarus. If I'm looking at a quote, I'm looking at a Jesuit maxim right now, just to get back to one thing that you guys had alluded to and I wanted to just pipe in it back. Because this just drives me, I just makes me ill, is the pedophilia aspect of it. And here's a Jesuit maxim. Give me the child for the first seven years and I'll give you the man. Yeah. Jesuit maxim. And then I had posted, I had an article talking about, it's called In the House of the Strong Man Sodom, he's the key, starting at three years old. And this is what these people do. And they control people and traumatize them and create mind control slaves using very perverse pedophilia as one aspect of it into gain control over these people. And then at that age, what kind of discernment do you have? I mean, you didn't become a slave to it. Yeah. Well, let me ask this question. Alternative research community,

1:10:16the truth movement, right? We talked about this before we got started with this show earlier this afternoon. And you guys had a very good point where a lot of information is being leaked out. Even the pedophilia Bruce, when you think about it, right? Especially coming out of Europe, coming out of the UK. And there's many other things that are just kind of coming out now. Now, a lot of people believe that these things are coming out because the truth is coming out. Others will say that nothing comes out unless these guys put it out. So what is your opinion on where we're at with that type of scenario? Is it coming out because you can't hold the truth back? Or is it coming out because they're allowing it to come out and by allowing it to come out, allows them to further manipulate and to adjust their game? Well, I guess we should do a little Gallup poll here. I mean, a Gallup poll here. I would say that anything that gets out into the domain

1:11:16is because they put it out there. Yeah, they create the memes like the new transgender. You know, that's the new meme that we all talk about. It's fascinating to watch how control and control they are of all of our lives with the news. We all get the news from one feed basically. So they can control, they've owned the press for a very long time since loose the Knights of Multiguy own Time Magazine and Life Magazine. Look magazine. There used to be three radio TV stations, ABC, CBS, and NBC. But they're still owned now. There's thousands of them but they're still owned by the same players. Nothing gets out unless they want them to. They have the power to shut down internet. They have the power to cancel sites. They have the power to change the narrative. But I do see from some of the information we're doing, they are responding to us. I'm sure you found in your website you get the chills and the trolls that is info agents. And they're very easy to spot because they never deal

1:12:16with the information presented. They always either attack you or present alternative information. So we're having an impact. The internet is really great for bringing the information. I'm seeing a lot of 20 and 30 year olds coming online. And they haven't drank the Kool-Aid like we did growing up. And they're more open to hearing this information. They're more open to investigating. They're not surprised that this stuff is true. And that's kind of where I'm focusing my energies and trying to write and provide for. But everything we see on TV, everything we see in the news, it's all choreographed. It's all decided well ahead of time. They'll bring this meme in. They'll bring that meme in. Everybody will talk about it. I was on a lake last week on my boat. And with some friends and the lake was just so crowded. And then about four o'clock in the afternoon, there was no boats on the lake. And I'm like, what the heck just happened? Well, it was the seventh game of the NBA.

1:13:16And Golden State was playing. Everybody went home to get in front of their TVs from playing outside on the lake. That's the kind of power and just a microcosm of the macrocosm. These people have around the world. And since we're one world now and all the information goes around the world, it's much easier for them to control the world meme. So now this week, Putin is the bad guy. And next week, ISIS is the bad guy. And then after that, we'll bring in this. And it's all by design. Bruce had a really good thing on his website with the alleged post shootings. And it shows a video from four years ago that included the Pulse Nightclub in the video called My Pet Goat. Wow. You just can't make this stuff up, you know? Why would they do that for what poet purpose? So we look at this, like a lot of these false flags and the pulse would be a very good example. And it looks really sloppy. You see people, you see law enforcement guys smiling. You see them carrying wounded back to the Pulse instead of away from the Pulse.

1:14:17I have to say that, you know, either these people are so incompetent and sloppy and can't follow, can't follow a script or a playbook, or it's intentional. And I look at it as intentional because then we're all talking about it and then we're arguing about it. Then we're going to go to all the people that are not in the know. And we're going to say, hey, look what happened over here. Look at this Pulse Nightclub. And you're going to get slapped down. You're absolutely right, Bruce. I mean, just take this one example with digressing here a little bit. But you're on a very good point. There was an article, I guess, or a video that came out maybe two days ago was Andrew Napolitano. Right? Judge Andrew Napolitano. And he had said that nobody had died inside the Pulse until 515 when the SWAT team came in. Right. That clearly, clearly contradicted the story that was put out there before he made that statement on television. And so then what happened was the entire alternative research, conspiracy research world just converged on that.

1:15:18And that became the topic as you are. That became what everybody was talking about, trying to surmise and understand what was going on, why he said what he said. This invalidates the story that was given by the police before. He made that statement and so on. And so now what happens is everybody is distracted and everybody is spinning. Heads on a swivel and everybody is taking sides and it's like a grismil coming to a complete halt like the 9-11 truth movement and it just comes to a dead end. Right. And then what are we left with? What are we left with? We're just left with an actual point. Let's set that up too because if you think about a few months before and a year before, what did we just see a few weeks ago when we saw them come out and say, well, all the public education schools must have transgender bathrooms now, right? Right. And before that, we've got the greatest athlete, the Catholic named Bruce Jenner, becoming Caitlyn Jenner and all of a sudden he's going to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated or She,

1:16:19excuse me or whatever, is going to be wrapped around a flag naked on the cover of Sports Illustrated and now we have the LBGT poll shooting where all we know, you, me and everybody else, gets it from a feed on electronic screen controlled by the powers that be. Right. There's a lot of things going all the way back to NASA where it's just been theater. It's a TV show made in a green room. And we all drink the Kool-Aid and say it's true because we saw it and we never can investigate it. We can never go and talk to the people that were actually there around the nightclub. And so all of this, we can be worked any which way they want us to because we see something on the internet or we see something in the corporate controlled newspapers and then we take that as headline truth. Instead of doing, you know, reading books about it. And then the truth comes out, like after 9-11, a few years later, well, you know, there were, turns out, there was a bunch of drills going on at this exact same time. Why did the greatest force of military

1:17:19with an hour and a half notice in the Pentagon with 32 A&A aircraft missiles surrounding it? Why did, why didn't they defend themselves? Well, the planes were sent out to see, you know, and there's no video. Oh, we have one little five frame video. I mean, it's just, when you start looking back on it, it doesn't make any sense, but the meme has already been sent. The headlines are already in people's minds. So then you have to go back and destroy the official story and just people just don't want to go there. They just don't want to hear it. Well, even within the, the alternative research community, there's bickering, right? I mean, they can't agree on 9-11. They can't agree on Sandy Hook. They can't agree. I mean, you have factions that agree with each other, but then you have these, you have these standoffs and it's debating, and it's arguing, and it's stone throwing. Right. I mean, even within the folks that are supposedly trying to bring the truth out, they're beating each other up. Again, it's the oldest trick in the book. It's divide and conquer. And then it comes to a complete standstill

1:18:20and we're left. We look down in our hands and we say, what do we got? I got nothing. What do you got? Well, I got nothing because we're just, we've just, we've just faced off against each other and we've just annihilated, you know, you know, who's destroying the truth in actuality? We end up destroying it amongst ourselves. That's right. And they, this is, that's the Jesuits. They don't have to do it. They set it up. We do it. They spend us like a top. We're like, we're like dueling tops. And that's where you see. And it just got dad to that. I mean, what I, what I get back to in the Wall Street is when, when I would go to the companies or research analysts and whatnot, one of the points they kept on bringing is, you never hear about marketing companies. When I was in business marketing in school, I asked the professor in my senior year, he says, let me get this straight. Marketing is basically mind control. And he said, you got it. Well, just think about, they have a thing called brain mapping. Obama just authorized $6.5 billion for brain mapping and they've been doing brain mapping,

1:19:20not just every year, but every decade, spending billions and billions of dollars, studying between our ears and behind our eyes. Well, what do you think these guys learned over decades and centuries about how man behaves? They know more about us than we do about ourselves. And that's how they win. So again, it's an internal journey to be able to know thyself to be true, but in the world of disinformation and the world of muddied waters, it becomes really hard. And so you start developing, and Mike, I'm sure you're really good at this too, your own intuition for bullshit. You start to get your BS detector really finely tuned, and you can tell right away whether that makes sense or not. You don't even have to go even further. You can tell by the way it's framed. So I think that's the work of higher consciousness now. It's just we do our own work. We bring the truth out the best we can. We give people that are on the fringe or at the shore looking out and wanting to know more, some fodder and some feed for their thought that they can determine for themselves.

1:20:20And over time, since we will be proven out, or it'll be too late, but it's time to get the word out. It's time to get the word out. How much danger, Jamie Abruz, do you think that people who are doing work, like you guys are doing, I'm doing work with you shows, that are pushing this stuff out there. So is there an imminent downside or are they just simply not concerned? Well, let's put this way. I couldn't put a number of years on it, but in terms of, we talked initially, talk about spans of time, a year to us. They are the master of, they're basically like actuaries. When you look at life insurance, for example, actuarial tables for more or morbidity tables, and they have to plan into the next century, and they look at hundred-year spans. I look at this as like a race to the right now, it's just a race to the bottom now. I mean, their plans are in full swing. We're at the very end of what their plan is.

1:21:20So I don't think we're much of a threat to them because they've got so many things going. But certainly, you know, I think it's incumbent upon us. Jamie says, I feel spiritually compelled to put this information out there regardless of the circumstances. And so be it, you know, because I know that I'm on the right side here. And by the way, most of the things that we talk about, quite frankly, are, yes, we deviate, but most of the stuff that we, we gird our conversations around are actually quotes that have already been spoken by others. So it's really not anything new under the sun. But I think this, I bring it out, subject matter at this point in time is new under the sun. And Jamie, what do you think about that? It's just it's so deep, it's so vast. And we're just at the, at the beginnings of this full disclosure of much hidden truths that it's just about getting it out there. And if they, my whole reason for living right now I'm 59 and a half years old. I've got a 10 and a half year of sun.

1:22:20And my only goal right now is for him to know that I tried. For him and all the children to know that when stuff hit the fan and the news came out about what's going to happen that I spoke out, that I was there on the front lines trying to bring conscious awareness to others. And whether I succeeded or failed is not what is important. It's that I gave it the best effort I could in the best way I could because the children in the future when we see what they have planned for them, they don't have full lives ahead of them. All children, they have a Georgia guide stones. I don't know if Mike, you've ever heard of the Georgia guide stones. Oh yeah. I actually got on a plane and flew there back in 2007 because I just couldn't believe that that was true. And so I went there and I looked and it's two and a half hours north east of Atlanta, Georgia. The Georgia guide stones were put in by a guy named RC Christian who represented a group

1:23:20of unnamed people. And they put in four, 20 foot, four to five ton monuments of the finest granite in the United States on the same geographic ley lines as paramedics and geese and stonehenge and down in Cheech and each of paramedics. So it's a very big earth energy center. And these ten commandments, as they're called, the Georgia guide stones or America guide stones. The first one says, keep the population at 500 million people. That's etched in stone in eight different languages around the entire Georgia guide stones. The tenth commandment says, don't be a cancer on this earth, leave room for nature, leave room for nature. This costs tens of millions of dollars back in 1991 to erect. Someone had very, very serious intentions. And on top of this, they put a big corner stone that was much thicker and they wrote it in ancient Hebrew, cutiform, Sanskrit,

1:24:20and hieroglyphics. And which took a long time to research, but it said, let this be the age of reason. And if you read the free masons and whatnot, they're big on reason and stuff. So the connection can be made that there is a play going on to eradicate 93-4% of the population. And there's a document that you probably heard of called silent weapons for quiet wars, using food substitutes, using vaccines, using all these different ways to basically, you know, have a mass die-off without any implications, you know, and be able to plausibly deny that they had created it. Slow kill. Slow kill. Slow kill. Keep the infrastructure in place. Yeah. What do you see in the movie? What do you see in the movie? Yeah, we invaded Iraq under false presences of weapons and mass destruction. Well, where's the outrage? That I feel in my soul right now for two million Iraqis. I apologize for my country to your country people for the death of these people and then putting depleted uranium,

1:25:21which is going to be deadly for the next, what, 50,000 years? Yeah. I mean, we have done horrendous things around the world to people that we haven't been accountable for. So it's time to start owning up to the real America, the real military operation that run for these other countries or other world powers that we're the military arm. The city of London is the banking arm and the Vatican is the religious arm. It's part of their trilateral operation. But we can take our role and we can do what we can with what we have. And that's all you can do right now and you have to be satisfied with it because it's not going to change tomorrow. Yeah, the reason why I asked the question, too, is because a lot of folks they own their hearts that they should do something, they should say something, but they were afraid. They were afraid that, you know, something's going to happen to them. In fact, I've been, I've been asked this question many times. People will say to me, Mike, aren't you a little concerned or afraid about doing these radio shows and talking about the topics

1:26:21that you're talking about with your guests? And I tell them the same thing that you just said, Jamie, which you said perfectly. Look, I have to do something. I don't want to be here having my daughter look at me and say, what the hell are you doing? She's got her part, too. Our kids are going to have that part, too. But, you know, you have to, as a parent, as an adult, you have to lead by example. If you're going to sit there in front of the television set, suck down buds and potato chips and watch ball games, and that's going to be it. What are you doing? Exactly. What are you doing? You know, and then 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years, I tell folks like, I think it's only a matter about 20 years. In 20 years, this country, current course and speed will be destitute. There's no pensions. Well, there's no retirement. There's nothing. Well, you're a finance guy. I mean, what's 20 trillion? They make the numbers so big to us that we can't even comprehend. We don't know what a trillion dollars is, much less 20 trillion. Right.

1:27:21But they keep accounting of it. And as long as we are in debt servitude, we can never be free. There used to be a thing called a debt jubilee. I think it was law passed where you could have debt. It can only last for 45 or 50 years. And then all debts were cleared. There's so many changes we can do. But right now, the movement is to educate, alert, and inform. I've taken that word fear, which everybody brings up. And they asked me the same question. Why aren't you afraid? Yeah, but I'm doing it anyway. And if they, you know, I'd help people. My goal, if I get really good at this truth movement, is to get a bullet in the head. Like Martin Luther King. Like Gandhi. I mean, all these guys that were big truthers that last well into past their lifetimes, they all got knocked off for telling the truth. And that's sadly, that's kind of like our goal right now, is to really stand up and be accountable, and be responsible. And the word responsible means the ability to respond. Hope comes from action. It does not come from wanting somebody else to do it for you.

1:28:22My mother said, well, Jamie, why are you doing this? Why are you putting your life at risk? You know, why are you putting your son's life at risk? It's what she said to me. And I said, I'm doing it because I can't ask anyone else to do it. Yeah. It has to come from me. It can't come from somebody else. Everybody has to make that decision. But if you choose to look away, you're coward. I'm sorry. You have no courage in your soul. You're going to go wherever you're going to go. But those of us that step up in the plate, I believe we're only using 10 to 15% of our brain, higher consciousness power. We'll come back the next time at a better place because we did this work. This is the work that's the most important work on Earth right now. And the three of us, and all the other true speakers and people speaking out, you know, I just take my hat off to you guys. I respect you just immensely. But the rest of you that have this information that are turning your backs, well, children are being killed for ritual sacrifices for these pedophiliax and I'm not even sure they're human.

1:29:23I have no sympathy for these people when they start complaining that oh, well, my life isn't good because now I'm in, I lost my house or lost this. It's a much bigger picture than you, folks. This is a much bigger deal. We're talking about these powers that want to wipe us off the face of the Earth. We're in this war that is an undeclared war where they've said what they want to do. And, you know, the sheep will just keep sleeping. So I came up with this word fear and I said, pick your fear. So which fear do you guys pick? So you can either flee everything and run, face everything and respond, facts, evidence, academia, and research, false evidence or peering real. So you can pick your fear. So you don't have to take that word fear. You can choose to act. It can become a positive word fear. And that's the jujitsu who's taking their energy, flipping it around and becoming empowered by it. I mean, that's the game I play. Well, another way to look at it too, Jamie, is this is coming

1:30:23and they're going to force this and it's coming to your doorstep. Whether you like it or not. Right, Mike? That's right. And right now, at this very moment, we still do have a choice. We have a choice to stand up and do each one of us, whatever that is, especially just turning your mental attention. If that's the least you can do and add to the collective consciousness, turn your mental attention towards this and become aware and become acquainted with it. And that will spread. It doesn't take very much. It doesn't take very many people either, as we've learned it from history in the past. It doesn't take much to spend the will. You know, let me ask this question here. This is something that I think perplexes a lot of people, because we talk about these secrets of society. We're talking about the Jesuits. We talk about the Freemasons. You know, just name the secret society. When this country was founded, it seemed like it was all set up to be a pretty good deal. I mean, at least, that's what a lot of people believe. On the surface that, you know,

1:31:24when the United States was formed, that it was going to be consistent of freedom and liberty and sovereignty and so on. What happened? I mean, were the guys with the founders really good guys, or were we doped? Were they part of the ultimate scheme that we're seeing unfold today, manifesting today? What's the deal? Do you have any thoughts on that? We had one Jesuit site, was one of the 56 signers of the Constitution, which everybody loves to cite, is our freedom, and the new grand experiment of freedom for the individual without rulership of king or church. Well, give me a break. We, the people, meant the 56 guys that signed the contract. That was a contract. When they signed it, you didn't free the slaves. You didn't allow women to vote. You didn't not take the Native American property away from them. It was 7% of the population. It was the richest guys in the United States, making their own rules

1:32:24about how we, the people that signed this document, want to go forward. And so they sold it. If you take the new $100 bill, this is really interesting. It was ready to come out in 2009, and at least in 2013, a October, half of the new $100 bill is in gold. Okay. We're $20 trillion in debt. They come out with a new $100 bill where half a visit in gold. Well, if you look at that document, that everybody carries around in their pocket, it's in the background, is written the second paragraph, not the first, of the Declaration of Independence, that says, we, in political bans, no longer bind us, and we can form a new government. 9-11 is, maybe you guys have seen it or not, but 9-11 is on the back of the 5-10-20 and $50 bills. Yeah. These guys, they own everything. They write the documents, then they tell you a story, and then we all believe that we have this freedom of power, but try walking across a border, and see how far you go. Try not having a bomb a care. Worst health care in 40 countries we have,

1:33:26highest cost, and everybody's got to have it now. That's socialism. I mean, they're not providing better health care. They're not doing it. The doctors are there to make profits. They're not there to heal. They should be trying to make people not get sick, not treat them after they get sick. A dentist should be trying to treat you from getting to prevent you from getting cavities, not treating the cavities, but that's the only way they make money. The whole system is set up as a deception in my view. This country was set up as a grand experiment by the Jesuits to destroy us, destroy freedoms, and they're going to come down really hard on the United States to be an example for the rest of the world never, ever questioned their authority. Dick Cheney had the famous line, make sure you stomp at all the grass that goes through the concrete or sooner, you're going to have to mow more lawns. That's the way they think. They're in power. I've seen Wall Street where these money is no object. They have no empathy for humans. It's just their club. I agree with Jamie.

1:34:27I took the words out of my mouth. Jamie, it's a grand experiment. We were built to be the hammer to bring in the new world order and everybody else is a nail. We've been at war 93.7% since the founders founded this country. 93.7% since the creation of the United States. We've been in wartime. Yes, but the country. Yes, and in the last, I believe it's the last 30 years we've estimated to have killed I think 23 million people. That could probably as well. And we are oblivious to it. What do we do to the Native Americans? We kill them all and whoever was left put them on a postage stamp somewhere in colder reservation. Right. Those were Jesuit mercenaries coming in, cleaning it out. There you get that one. What do we do? The Japanese and World War II in this country would put them in internment camps. But the symbolism is where I get a lot of this information from the word fashies, which they say came from Mussolini, fastest F-A-S-C-E-S,

1:35:28as a bundle of rods containing an axe with a blade projecting. This goes back to the Roman consoles back in the Caesar days where they took the bundling caning rods with the axman's axe sticking out of it. And when they made new laws, they walked around Rome and Italy and whoever made the laws on it said, do you have any problem with our new laws? Well, if you look on the back of the dime, you'll see that what they call the Leichler rods, the bundling rods, the fassy rods, on the back of the dime. You'll see this on Lincoln Memorial on the chair he's sitting on. You will see this in the Congressional House where the president gives his state of the Union speech. You will see fashies these bundling rods of torture and control on each side of the dius that the president gives his state of the Union speech. It's right in front of us that they are telling us that we have the symbol of power over life and limb and the stick symbolized punishment by wixing, whipping, and the axe head is by execution by beheading.

1:36:28It's so in our face that we just can't even see it sometimes. Have you ever seen the movie Hidden in Plainsight? The documentary? That's excellent, isn't it? It's excellent. Yeah. Yeah. The guy just basically took to Google Earth and he connected all the the sights around the world and he showed how Warton and D.C. was set up as a pentagram I live out near San Francisco. It was amazing how to see San Francisco with Angel Ige on Treasure Island and then the ever-present phallic penis called the obelisk, which is the trans-America building, which just happens to be 555 feet, the same size of the obelisk and Washington, D.C., 666 feet. Same one they have, they took from Rome that they have in the city of London, the same one they have in the Vatican, and then they put the female vesica Pisces around it to symbolize the male penetrating the female, just like they had Apollo, the sun god, go to ISIS, the moon Apollo allegedly, and that's the man, male, sun god,

1:37:28going to impregnate the ISIS. It's all right in front of us, but it's for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, but that movie, hidden in plain sight, showed really to me how many centuries that they have been laying out and mapping our world, it's fascinating from a research perspective and it's really discomforting when you understand that this whole country and all most countries were set up under their rule. And when we say they, Jamie, we're referring to the Jesuits, correct? And the families that run them. And the families that run them. And the families that run them. And the families that run them. And the papacy in general. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just want to tie it back so that when we talk about they, the folks don't resort back to, you know, the confused state of, I don't really know who those people are. Well, it's well, remember the Jesuits were suppressed after the counter-reformation because they were considered too evil and they had too much power and they were suppressed and they went underground temporarily

1:38:28and then came back out again. They were officially reinstated in 1812. Mm-hmm. And they've never, and they're never leaving. They never left. They never left. They've never left. And that's where the Illuminati was created as just a cover to keep doing what they're doing. And that's, that's where another, where people get mixed up about the Illuminati. You don't really understand that. But that's just, Jesuits. Jesuits. Okay. Another front. Right. And Andrew Wysop came to the United States in 1776, which you see the Roman numerals on the back of the Masonic dollar bill that was brought by Freemason, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. There was, I think, eight Freemasons that signed the Constitution. And Mike, have you ever heard of the entity? No. The entity is an intelligence operation out of the Vatican that controls the CIA, M16, the Mossad, the Russian intelligence services. And so you ask, well, how is this all coordinated? How can they do this all? Well, the entity,

1:39:28there's a book by Eric Frattini, called the entity, five centuries of Vatican espionage that everyone should read. And this is how they gather all their information. This is why they use the seeing eye. And it's called the St. Leopold Foundation is the great Jesuit spy system. And so we think that the CIA is running the show. No. They answer to the entity. The Vatican and the whole operation decided, Jesus, they call themselves the establishment. So they have these big overarching names. But underneath them is all the Freemasons, all the Opus Day, the P2, the Pilgrim Society. And then some of these secret societies we hear about and then these alleged think tanks, like the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, Council for Relations. Those are the names we see. But again, there's this pyramid, like seven, eight, ten rungs behind these that we hear about and a lot of people are starting to learn about. So, it's just constant digging to learn more. But the entity is the intelligence operation

1:40:28gathering service that puts out to all the other intelligent or agencies around the world. And I tell people it's a one-world government already. There's not a new world order being created. It's an old world order with their agenda calling it the new world order. But if you look at the powers that be, they have the World Health Organization, the Bank of International Settlements, all of these are world organizations NAFTA just got a TPP. NAFTA. All of these are trade agreements of world law. And the reason I know that we're under one-world government is very, very simple. Your debt follows you wherever you go in the world. So, that right there shows you that we have a world banking system, a world debt system for collection. So, it's hard for people to think that the United States is not a country but it's very simple when you look at the colors of our flag, the same as Britain, Russia, Soviet Union goes down

1:41:28and they come up with their new flag, what's their color, red, white, and blue? What's the color, the French flag, red, white, and blue? What's the color, the British flag, red, white, and blue? Chile, Puerto Rico. You go around the world and you look all the flags or you look for red crosses. Many of these countries could chosen any color if they were independent, but they seem to all choose the same exact colors. What a coincidence theory. Well, let me just say, this has been a fabulous discussion. We're pulping up against two hours, guys. And what I want to do is to reconvene us for another show in the very near future and we can continue to the discussion because this has been excellent. It really has been. I've learned a lot. You guys have really done some great research. Websites and social media and YouTube channels. Where can people find more about your work and your research? Jamie, you want to start first? Sure. I have three websites. One is called Taboo for Taboo TABU.

1:42:28And that stands for towards a better understanding. TabooBlog.com. The second site I have is a-b-v-i. Apple, Victor, Victor, Ida.info. And that's a vaccine information website. Just both sides of the story just presenting information. What's in vaccines? Where are back- did you know vaccines? Who created vaccines? Microquick? A Jesuit. I was going to be my wild guess. Yeah. And I'm referring to- The third website is called The PlaneTruth, a PLANETruth.info. And then I have a YouTube site, a PlaneTruth.info website that I'd love for everybody to come visit and share information and pass it on if you find it relevant. And I really appreciate you, Mike, having us on your show. Oh, absolutely. And all your websites are great. I've been to the ball, and I love your YouTube channel. Love it. Thank you. So I've been subscribed for a long time. Bruce, how about yourself? The Modern Nostek.

1:43:28So it's modern GNOS TIC, modernnostek.com. I have another website called The Geocentric Nostek.com. And the Modern Nostek YouTube channel, which is sort of a nascent YouTube channel. Don't do Facebook. Stay away from that. So those are the three places that you can find me. And again, I like to thank you, Mike. This has been- I can't believe we're bumping up against two hours. How fast is this moving? Yeah, it went really quick. It went real quick. Because we can go off on a mill- There's so much that is revolving off of this. It's when you really see the bigger picture that everything seems to rotate off of this like centrifically. But we're talking about the axis of the centrifugal wheel. Yeah. And then- And you can see how it all branches out and we can bring it right up to the current day. It's almost like there isn't- It's what happened 300 years ago is it's relevant today or more than it is

1:44:28than you'd ever think. Well, and maybe when we come back, one of the shows that we can do, we can talk about the shape of the Earth. That would be nice. I thought it would- Well, and we can connect- I thought it would be great if we could do that. I'd love to do that. Okay. Yeah, we'll do that. All right, you guys. Look, it's been a great, great discussion really. I really appreciate connecting with you. Jamie, thank you so much for emailing me and saying that let's connect. All right, gentlemen. Have a great, great evening. Thanks. All right. Thanks. And that concludes another stage of quake interview and I hope you enjoyed the discussion as much as I did. Links to my guests, websites, and social media are listed in the show notes below. And as always, I'd like to thank everyone for listening and visiting the blog. You can get to the blog by typing in sageofquakeradio.blogspot.com or simply head over to our hub website at sageofquake.com. Also, if you get a moment, please visit laboroflovemusic.com to listen to my album, leaving dystopia. And remember, live in truth and always serve creation.

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