The Intersection with Michael Popok 9/15/2026

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2:06I don't think this was actually aimed at senior Senator for New Jersey, Cory Booker. I think it was aimed at all non-Trump Americans, all Democrats. So I thought I'd lead off the show. It's something that's going to go in the pantheon of clips, the way Ted Stevens, the late Ted Stevens, the Alaska Senator, created a meme out of himself. What a yelled out, no! We have Chuck Grassley. This is the question he's asking America. At least I didn't get my job the way you got your job. Are you going in or fear with Senator Graham? I'm asking her questions too. I certainly will not. Too, as well. Are you done now? Are you ready to shut up? I am done, sir. Senator Graham. Are we ready to shut up as a group of non-Trump Americans? That's my new term for it, non-Trump Americans. That covers all stripes, right? That's the non-Maga Republicans.

3:06That's the ones that voted for them, but don't want to vote for them again or anything close to him. Are we going to shut up? That's a rhetorical question. We are not. Neither here on this platform or on the Midas Touch Network, on the legal A.F. in the polling places in the streets, in the marches. We're not going to shut up. We're not going to rest. Sorry folks, I'm coming over. We're not going to rest until we set things right with this country and that the government's relationship with its people and that branches relationships with each other. We are no to answer a question that maybe Grassley didn't know he was posing. We are not going to shut up. We're not going to take it anymore. That's for sure. And we are going to continue to defend our democracy against this lawless outbreak led by Donald

4:09Trump. We will get through this Trump era. Despite his threats, it will end in less than two years. That seemed like a very long time, right? When we started this administration, but now look at us, 49, 48 days until the midterms. And this is a special week. Not only, and I think it's perfect timing and cosmic justice, that Donald Trump is on a little bit of a loser, a little bit of a heater of a loser this week in courts, including at the United States Supreme Court, but not only at the United States Supreme Court, which has led him to of course attack everyone and everything and the Supreme Court and the people he put on the Supreme Court and all the rest. But this is also Constitution Day week, September 17th, 1787 that we got enough signatures in Philadelphia to sign the Constitution. There were a couple of holdouts.

5:12Some of the delegates wanted a bill of rights. It wasn't there. But the rest signed it. I think it was like 39 out of 42 delegates, present sign the Constitution. We celebrate that day. Now I did not know this. So I will not take credit for it. But we launched legal AF two years ago on September 17th Constitution Day. Who knew? In the future I'm going to act like that was intentional. You can put this in some sort of time capsule, right? And like in 2028, I'm going to say, and we intentionally picked Constitution Day to launch legal AF. We did not. But two years later, 1.23 million people strong and over 810 million views, we are not going to shut up on legal AF YouTube channel on the Midas Touch Network. On the intersection podcast, I'm going to cover today the losing streak for Donald Trump

6:13just in the last 72 hours. I'm going to talk about mail-in ballots and what happened at the United States Supreme Court. And for that, I'm going to bring in the great Aaron Ford Attorney General of Nevada, one of four states who led the charge that ended up at the Supreme Court and got a win for everyone. Two votes, just one, because the Supreme Court ruled seven to two, but I really think six to three will go over where Kavanaugh sits and all this to protect the mail-in ballots from the evil clutches of Donald Trump and his post office. Aaron Ford, Nevada's current Attorney General and the leading candidate to be the governor of the state of Nevada and boy, do we need a blue governor running a state like Nevada? They'll join me before the break to go over and to celebrate his great win. But talk about can't pop the champagne corks, can't be like cash, Patel, and chug the

7:14beer and the locker room, can't cut down the nets. You got work to do. You got to get to voting. We got to get to counting. We got to get to certification. We got to get to seating and all of these groups, many of which I brought on this week to talk about the case, the American Civil Liberties Union, the NAACP, the Democratic Attorney General, democracy forward, norm ice ins group, Mark Elias' law firm. It will have filed collectively, Southern poverty law center, 500 or more lawsuits, winning at an 85% clip and have all of their future lawsuits drafted already, sitting on their computer. We need to be filed with an itchy trigger finger at a moment's notice. Programming note. I just interviewed and it's up now on LegalAF YouTube channel. Just went up about an hour ago. The great Sophia Lynn Laken, the director of the Voting Rights Project for the ACLU.

8:21She has a case, part of the coalition of cases up before Judge Talwania, male imbalance include the ACLU. Separately, and going up tomorrow is my interview with Kristen Clark. Every time I talk to Kristen Clark, who is the general counsel of the NAACP former head of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, I get smarter. And she has a case, pardon me folks. She has a case down in DC that led to a Trump judge also in joining, stopping blocking the male imbalance from being abused by the post office through the creation of a citizenship portal, a voter database that was never been created before on the fly by the post office who's not trained to use it. And I think you're going to like some of the interesting tidbits that Kristen Clark shared

9:23with our audience when her video goes up tomorrow. I'm going to talk a lot about Cash Patel because like I joked in a video, I didn't know that I would like barbecued Cash Patel, but it is delicious. Just watching, I can watch Cory Booker, Senator's Booker, Schiff, Horono, Blumenthal, Klobuchar, and the rest. I could watch them on an endless loop going after Cash Patel. I'll give you the highlights of him being grilled and the Epstein survivors, all jock hilarity aside, in the room to hold the FBI in the Department of Justice accountable. And one of those people in the room, Danny Bensky, Epstein survivor, leader of the survivor movement, testified against Todd Blanch and his confirmation, she's going to be on with me tomorrow to talk about why she was on Capitol Hill. Why was important to be in the room?

10:24Why was important to confront Cash Patel? It isn't theater, it's dignity, it's justice for the Epstein survivors. So that's more of a programming note. And then on Thursday, on Constitution Day, I got interesting programming going on on legal AF. I've got three former federal judges joining me to talk about the assault on the rule of law and what we can do about it. I've got Jay Michael Ludig, Judge Michael Ludig, this must be his 20 or 30th appearance with me on legal AF to talk about the protection of the Constitution. I've got Senator Adam Schiff of California who we will see some clips from tonight about Cash Patel. So the theme for this intersection, and we're live, put up questions, my staff will grab it and send them over to me. The theme tonight is no, we won't just shut up and no, people who are elected officials

11:25have to be reminded who they work for, who signs their paycheck. They work for us, not the other way around. We the people run this country. It's just that the people in power want to make us feel powerless to divide us because they know that if we join together and we vote together, we march together and we have a unified front, we cannot be defeated. And yet evil, I mean the Trump administration and MAGA running at midterm obviously can and they are worried. You can tell they're worried by how they are acting out and flailing and who they're attacking. They're always on the attack against some, something, some enemy, real or imaginary, usually imaginary. And Cash Patel had to sit in the hot seat, the first one in after the summer break. What did you do on summer vacation?

12:27Hopefully you're prepared for this hearing. We know we brought in notes, maybe we have a photo of it. We brought a burn book in again. Oh, here we go. Here's what I asked to dick Durban. Look at the curry cooker caught them. And so I think it passed you as many notes as they like. You've got to answer the questions and you're not prepared to do it. So Cash Patel, I'll talk about the Kennedy Center and two worlds collided today. But I think they'll become one. The only thing stopping Donald Trump from tearing down the Kennedy Center right now is a judge named Judge Chris Cooper in DC and his orders. And today he issued a order and then several hours later, the board controlled by Donald Trump in which he phoned in again, voted to close the Kennedy Center because I don't know if he's a plaster dropped in the ceiling because he's got the Kennedy Center in a chokehold.

13:31And he's choking out the Kennedy Center. I mean, Trump of its finances. I'll answer the question when we, you know, at the second half of tonight, where is the $250 million Trump? Where's the money? Show me the money. I got to get my money. Where's the 250 that the Congress allocated to support the Kennedy Center? We don't need your stinkin 17 million, say you raised. Where's the 250 that you got a chokehold on? Is it in the ballroom fund? Is it an offshore fund? Is it where is it? That's questions that, of course, Kash Patel was asked or should be asked as well. So we'll talk about Kash Patel, the Kennedy Center, some other things going on that I'm keeping an eye on. They're trying again to get Lindsey Halligan back as a US attorney with an appeal. They're trying again to get John Sarkone in the Northern District of New York back

14:33as a US attorney. All those US attorneys, including the one in Nevada, who were taken out by federal judges because of a improper use or misuse of the federal vacancy reform act by Donald Trump by putting in these unqualified people who did not get Senate confirmation to lead one of the 93 federal districts via US attorney. They are now going all up on appeal. My gut is it's a losing proposition for sure. While that's going on and to run interference for Kash Patel, you had our fearless leader of the Department of Justice, no, not Trump, the other guy, Todd Blanche, doing a press conference, right? Taking shots while Kash Patel is getting grilled within an inch of his life by the Democrats.

15:34And I thought there was a number of interesting questions. I'll be doing some videos about it starting tomorrow on legal AF and on might as touch. But the one that that chap my ass is when he was asked about Umar Kremlev. I know it sounds like I made it up and I know it sounds like it's a Boris Natasha Rocky and Bullwinkle bad guy, right? He really exists. Umar Kremlev, what a name, is about as close to Vladimir Putin as you can get. And Kremlev doesn't spend a dollar unless Putin agrees to it. It doesn't have his own money. He's in the back pocket of Putin. He runs the International Boxing Commission or Association. He paid for according to pro public. He paid for the after party or part of the wedding for Don Jr. and to Bettina on an island.

16:38Hundreds of thousands of dollars which were money laundered from Russia to the IBC or the IBA to a Dubai offshore account to pay for Don Jr.'s wedding. You know what the Bettina and Don Jr.'s defense was on Instagram? Oh, come on, you guys aren't being fair. It wasn't for the wedding. It was for the after party. Oh, it's the after party defense. Oh, I see. That makes it, that makes it not an example of the enemy of America using soft power and influence and direct payment to influence the family of the president of the United States. Right. It's, it's not that. You know how I know it's not that because Bettina and Don Jr. used all caps. And in their social media posting they said there's no conspiracy. Now it's a law school. Right there in the book. It says if you say that you didn't commit a crime and it's not a conspiracy and you put it in all caps and a social media post, that's an absolute defense to any claim of public

17:40corruption. See, this is the, this is the entire Trump administration, including Todd Blanche. This is their approach. If we tell you we're going to rob the bank and that we tell you the time and place and we do it in broad daylight, it can't be a crime, right? Because we did it. It's still a crime. The audacity of which is my boggling. They think that's transparency. We're going to tell you the corruption we're going to do. And therefore we're transparent. That's not what we mean by transparency. We mean transparency to stop a person from committing a crime because in the other social contracts says don't commit crimes. Not we'll just televised it and it won't make it a crime. That's not how that works. So I want to play a clip of a very good question from a foreign press member to Todd Blanche

18:41about are you going to start investigating Umar Kremlin and his connection to the Trump family and why he paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Trump family for a wedding. A wedding that we know Donald Trump didn't attend and maybe we now know why play the clip. Talk about it. So I wasn't with the president when he learned so I can't give you a first-hand account. But the president has talked about it. Other people have talked about it. The president doesn't know who this person is. I think other members of the family don't know who this person is. The president's son has said that he's a very close friend and that he accepted a gift in the weekend of his wedding. I'm not. So I don't. I'm not sure what when you say am I investigating. Am I investigating what? And when you say this person is a friend of Putin, I don't even know if that's true or not. So I like that it's fun to talk about this issue and the rhetoric around it. But I think all the relevant people involved, the president and his kids have already addressed it. So I don't have any information. I don't know this person either. So I don't have any.

19:41Well, that's why you investigate Todd. That's why you use a not corrupted Department of Justice or FBI to investigate whether Putin is controlling Kremlin to make the payments through a money laundering scheme through an international boxing association to pay a president's son for a wedding. What is the quid pro quo if there is one? What is Kremlin or the Kremlin going to ask of Don Jr. or Donald Trump in the future? Remember, Don Jr. and Donald Trump took special delight in trying to roast Hunter Biden for sitting on a Ukrainian board and making a couple of million dollars over five years. What about this? What about this? And no, we're not going to shut up. Just to continue the theme for tonight. In fact, we're going to switch gears and talk about the mail in ballots and what the Supreme Court just did led by Democratic attorneys general for in particular Nevada leading the

20:45charge along with California and Massachusetts up before Judge Tellwani led to a preliminary injunction to stop Donald Trump from stealing mail in ballots through the use of the mail and ended up at the United States Supreme Court and we finally got that decision in our favor. Let's bring in the attorney general of Nevada, Aaron Ford also a the leading candidate for governor of your state. Hi, how are you doing, AG Ford? Good to see you. I'm good to see you too. Were you in Detroit when I was there? I was not in Detroit. I've been in Nevada here knocking on doors, begging for money for this campaign. All right. Well, I can understand that. We got in here on legal AF and we all know we got to we got to keep Nevada where right where it is a blue state and and your hard work is very interesting. California, I've had attorney general Rob Monton a number of times, Massachusetts, you know, the filing was in Massachusetts. Tell me why it was so important to you and Nevada to be a leader in the case that ended

21:46up protecting the right for absentee and mail in voting at least through the midterms. Well, look, there are a few reasons, Michael, first of which, honestly, to me, it's personal. I'm, you know, I'm going to raise in the South, my grandparents, my wife's parents, you know, we've experienced, they've experienced disenfranchisement from the voting side of things. And I take it personally. Anytime I see any attacks on voting, I want to get engaged and get involved. But also from a state perspective, I'm not new at this. Donald Trump has been trying to undermine Nevada election since his first term in office. And I've had to beat him a court every single time. And so when he found these executive orders, I was at the front and center trying to take over these particular cases and then show that we can push back. And this was recent one where he's trying to determine how the USPS determined who can vote. And you serve the authority of our states, which have the constitutional authority, along with Congress and not the president, to run our elections. And you know, that's just a risk to far from me.

22:48You got engaged, got involved. Not at all surprised by the Supreme Court ruling because we knew we were right in the first place. Well, I'm going to talk more about the case. First I have to apologize. I've spent my life pronouncing Nevada correctly, but my team spelled Nevada wrong in the lower third in our discussion today. And I want to apologize. I don't want to act like I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't even see it. I'm like, are you kidding me? I spent a life not saying Nevada. Now I've got to spell. Oh, look, as we were talking to save a note. See, this is how I save jobs. You know, you know what they didn't tell you though, I must say my name is actually pronounced A-ron. Oh, not. And, you know, so it's still a A-R-O-N like you have it. It's just a R-I-N A-R-N. So you say A-R-N. You pronounce it A-R-N. That's it. All right. All right. Listen, we're on live television, everybody. If you didn't think we're on live television, we're on live television.

23:49And with a guy with a last name, Popok, believe me, I like to get people's first and last names right. Yeah. So I appreciate you. Let's, where you, so let's talk about the case. Case gets filed in Massachusetts and it gets on a fast track. There's another case filed by the Democratic Party and the NAACP and LULAC and a whole bunch of other groups down in DC. That gets Judge Nichols, your case, which is consolidated with the League of Women Voters and the ACLU is in front of Judge Tawani. She obviously wants to get out of the starting blocks first because she's way out in front of Nichols, right? She's got the administrative state. She's got the TRO. She's got the preliminary injunction nationwide, preliminary injunction, right? So you had to be happy about how Judge Tawani was handling it and the velocity at which she was handling it. No, absolutely. Look, I mean, this was a race to the courthouse for a number of reasons. Again, not at least which is because this was just an unconstitutional executive order in

24:51the first instance, but then an unconstitutional rule that USPS wanted to draft. Judge Tawani wasted no time in ensuring that we were able to get that temporary restraining order and then ultimately get that preliminary injunction. And we're happy about that because, again, time is of the essence. We have a midterm election coming up right now. Donald Trump trying to sow seeds of discord in this election was not something that we were going to count in, and certainly the judge wasn't on the count. And so your recitation of procedural posture was exactly right. And I'm glad that our judge was ready to move so quickly on these issues. Then we get the Supreme Court ruling. So just to put my, put our audience in your mind, you know, Kataji Brown Jackson in charge of all things in the first circuit doesn't grant the administrative stay to the Trump administration on an emergency basis. So time is ticking down. You know, we're already 49 days to the terms, it's like day one, day two. She sets a briefing schedule off of the preliminary injunction being entered for last Wednesday. I was with your brother and your colleagues in Detroit talking on filing day.

25:54We were talking, we were talking about all this more days go by. And they're like, all right, full briefing Wednesday. A bunch of briefs are in some amicus briefs. I love like the postal service, the postal workers union said, we can't do this. We just want to deliver the mail, right? That gets in there and we're still waiting. So walk us through this about what was going on your mind brief briefs all come on on Wednesday. We get through Friday, the weekend, nothing. What are you thinking? Well, I'm not surprised by the ruling is I've indicated. I probably believe that the court was going to get it right. The law as a law, right? I mean, to be sure, reasonable minds can disagree, we don't think, well, I guess two, reasonable minds, two minds were unreasonable rather than the way that they just sent in on this issue. But, you know, we knew it would take some time. They want to ensure that they were able to articulate the decision in the right way. And at the end of the day, you know, we were not concerned. We knew that we had our ducks in the Rosalto speak. You know, our teens have worked so well together on all of these elections issue issues,

26:56whether it's, again, the first executive order, whether it's been the second executive order, whether it was USPS decision. You know, I have an O saying where we stay ready, so we don't have to get ready. And so the brief schedule, that was a pretty quick one. As you indicated, was not that we were concerned about. We just wanted to get everything before the court. So the court had what it needed in order to make the decision that it made. And, you know, look for the future, because while there are certainly six votes, there are certainly seven votes for the timing issue, like we're too close to the midterms. But six of those seven votes, which looks like Gorsuch, Robert's, Amy Coney Barrett, so to my orc Kagan and Katangi Brown Jackson, they actually said in the one paragraph, you know, reading T-Leaves here, that the merits of the case was on the side of you guys, and not on the side of the Trump administration.

27:57So to me, reading the T-Leaves here, reading the sides, there's at least six votes, even in the future, based on the record, to block Donald Trump from trying to use the post office to deny mail-in ballots or make an extra hurdle for the states in their constitutional obligation to regulate federal elections. What do you think? No, I think you're right about that. And, you know, when you look at the dissent, you know how ludicrous the contingent has to be, their argument was essentially, and I'm kind of paraphrasing them because I can't think of the exact purpose, but essentially that in order for it to be found unlawful, so to speak, that the USPS had to be acting outside of its authority. And they said because they had the authority to regulate mail, that this was not a side-to-authority. I mean, that's, if you want to talk about an exception swallowing up a rule, that's exactly what it is. I do think the six justices who articulated that, you know, the merit-based argument would be aligned with us. If Donald Trump, not if, when he tries to bring this argument back again,

29:00you know, I'm hopeful that the seventh, who also, I kind of reserve judgment on that, will align himself with those other six, and will at least have, I mean, we'll have a seven-two decision on the merits of this going forward period. Yeah, I mean, the good news is with the ruling, AG Ford, is that we can at least breathe the sigh of relief that the rules, as we know them from mail-in and absentee ballots, are going to hold for the midterms. What would you say to the voters of Nevada and around the country that are here with us, I might especially legal AF, an intersection? What would you say to them about how to protect and make sure they're right to vote, as protected, and that they're vote counts? What would you tell them to do? Well, look, there are a few answers to that, and I have to give one that I think, frankly, is one of the most important. We have a midterm election that the Trump administration has been trying to undermine. I need you to exercise your vote during this midterm election. I need you to go vote for individuals who are actually going to stand up for the right to vote.

30:01You know, like, I have a governor in my state who has aligned himself with Donald Trump so much, the way he, too, is attacking mail-in voting, but he's voted, I want to say, by mail four out of the last five times. And so you want to ensure you have elected officials who are going to be willing to stand up for your franchise, for your right to vote, and it begins by actually exercising the right that we just had to fight for. And by the way, it was Democratic Attorney General and a Democratic governor who stood up and won this case. Republican Attorney General and their constituents, fortunately, get to ride our co-tales on this so that they get to continue to exercise this right. So number one, exercise the right. And number two, ensure that those who you put into office understand that your position on these issues is that you want them in fact standing up. And I think that those two things are the most important that I can think of right now for ways in which we need to protect our right to vote and ensure that they're counted. Now, AG Ford, if I didn't know that the word Ford was in affordability, I certainly know it now.

31:02So talk about the couple of minutes we have left with you. And thank you for the generosity of your time. Talk straight, straight talk to the voters in Nevada about why you should be their governor. Well, look, I was spoken in the bad dollar across the state and I'm hearing the exact same thing that everything's looks fancy. And it resonates with me because I might not know what the word meant when I was eight years old, but I know my friends couldn't always afford food. I grew up eating still candy bars within of them. My father found next to the dumpster behind the grocery store he worked at. I went from eating still candy bars to being a single dad in college, living on welfare section 8 housing, a food stamp, they call it snap now and Medicaid. Those types of lifelines enabled me to not only graduate with one degree, but ultimately get five and to be standing here now or sitting here now as their attorney general. And so I'm not talking about what I heard. I'm talking about what I know. And I know that they want a governor right now who is on to fight to make things costless in our state. And what we have right now is a governor who is cow-tow, capitulated,

32:03kiss up a cow or trumpet every turn, including on these tariffs that are decimating not small businesses and are causing our costs to go up, gas, groceries, housing. These are things that my plan be affordable and a battle plan. Lays out in terms of ways that we can address those things. And so I want to commend to your viewers, my website forward for Nevada.com. If you can't see this behind me here, check it out because under the issues, probably have a hope, a list of planks that we're going to address to make things costless. And I'll say and I hope that I can earn this support. Absolutely. And you've got our support. I'm so glad you joined us here on the intersection on the Midas Touch Network, A.G. A. R.N. Ford running for governor of the state of Nevada. And leading the charge to people wonder, where did that case come from? That Supreme Court case, that's a great ruling. There are real people, real smart lawyers working hard around the clock to make that happen. And you just met one of them in A.G. Ford from Nevada.

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39:12Here's my rule. Make the outbound call yourself to chapter. They're the only advisor that compares every plan nationwide. They're honest and they're not paid to push one plan over another. Free under 20 minutes and they've saved people an average of 1100 dollars a year. If you're on Medicare or turning 65, call chapter at 570-968-846-0. Verify. Always. That's 570-968-846-0. You know, I record some of these ads obviously on the roads. I look at some of them like I don't even know where I was. Like what room was that when I did that last ad? Welcome back to the intersection on Michael Popak. Let me answer some questions. People I see some people are asking like why is no one reporting on the impeachment vote today?

40:13Can you tell me the name of the Democrats who didn't vote to impeach Donald Trump? Look, the leadership of the Democrats. I'm talking about Hakim Jeffri's on down in Agalar. Sent out the blue the dog whistle that they did not want Democrats to vote for Greens resolution for his impeachment resolution. Because A, it wasn't going to pass. Not because it wasn't symbolic, but they're not into symbolic now. They're into trying to win a midterm now. And they don't want any distractions. And what they've told the voters is that put us in charge when we have the gavall and we'll do real impeachment proceedings. You know Jamie Raskin. You know Jamie Raskin is not going to be told to shut up. You know Jamie Raskin in the House Judiciary Committee is going to lead the charge of the impeachment. You have you could you could take that to the bank. You can bet your mortgage on it. You know, if you're able to have a mortgage in this economy.

41:14But like this political theater thing where let's impeach him. I mean, you got to do, we don't give a shit about impeachment. We give a shit about conviction. So you got to build a case. It's the second time this resolution went up to representative green who's leaving the House, by the way. So he's got nothing to lose. Democrats have everything to lose. We have to count. Democrats have to count to 218. We've got to get to 218 plus at least 218 to control the House. That should be the number one thing on people's mind because the rest of this is just folly. If the if the if the Democrats do not regain control of the House and get the gavalls for all of the committees. You know, yes, it's interesting. Yes, I would like a perfect world to vote for impeachment. But do I understand why the Democratic leadership said no? Yeah. And 18 Democrats joined the Republicans to kill the bill.

42:21Right? So of that 18, one of them was Akim Jeffries. One of them was Aguilar. I mean, it was like the top leadership and then a bunch of people that followed. Um, to kill the bill. Because and the rest kind of stayed and voted when it was there's no political harm to voting. So I'm not trying to be crass or sarcastic. I'm just telling you straight. This should not be the focus of the party out of power at this moment in time. The focus for the party out of power in this moment of time is to get in power. And this is not going to score any point. Like anybody that's going to vote for Donald Trump is going to vote for Donald Trump. And nothing in the next 49 days or whatever it is is going to stop. It's going to stop that. And similarly, he's not making any new Trump voters. It's not like any of his rallies or speeches or memes or AI generated bullshit or the things that he posts or Natalie Harp is office wife posts. None of that is is is converting any hearts and minds.

43:21Right now it's about getting out the vote, keeping the enthusiasm high. And for everybody that's be excited by an impeachment vote that went against Donald Trump, then what? Then you have the dismissal motion. That we have no time to have impeachment hearings between now and the midterms. Kind of focus on things that matter just like we did with A run Ford who's running for governor of Nevada. Affordability, dignity, reestablishment of the social safety net. Making people around their kitchen table around their checkbook and pocketbooks able to afford a life of dignity in this country to pay for healthcare, to pay for their drug costs, to pay for food, to pay for gas, to pay for their grandparents and parents who may be ill or need additional help to reinstall the social safety net Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps,

44:22social security, all the people are like why are they talking about impeachment? Why are we talking about the wholesale destruction of the social safety net? So I understand it from a political, a real, politics standpoint, right? That doesn't mean I'm not going to be the first one out there for blood to get an impeachment when it's properly handled by a committee and somebody like Jamie Raskin. So that's sort of a long-winded way of explaining I think where I'm at with that particular story. Let's talk about Kash Patel speaking of platforming and highlighting people that are incompetent should be removed and get their hands off the level of power. Kash Patel is presumably the FBI director who really knows. But he was interrogated today about the Epstein files and while he's not going after any predators, he was interrogated about the going after the political enemies of Donald Trump, the wholesale firing of several thousand people leaving the FBI bereft of talent as he tries to

45:24rehire by lowering the standards. You once got arrested for going to a prostitute, you stole from an employer, you committed, I'm not making this up, you committed an act of bestiality, the FBI do, we have a job for you. I never thought I'd have to talk about bestiality and questioning in the Senate and an FBI director, but I have to. So I want to start up by bringing the heat, bringing the fire, no we won't shut up. And the perfect person to start with no we won't shut up is Senior Senator from New Jersey, Cory Booker. We got a couple of clips of Cory Booker which led to Grassley is the chair of that committee for now to say we just shut up. Let's place up a Senator Booker. In ways that benefit yourself and your family and your girlfriend, but you won't even answer questions and yet like a thug you're using your agency to go after reporters in a chill to one of

46:30the most sacrosanct ideals of United States America. They can pass you all the notes they want, but the truth is clear. Right now you are storm walling this committee for asking simple questions of accountability. So that's one of Cory Booker. That went on for almost the entirety of his cross examination of cash, you see cash per tell looking off at his handlers, looking off at Grassley to try to save him like a boxer who's getting pummeled in the ring, hoping that his corner will throw in the towel. Let's see if we got another one of the fireworks between one way fireworks of getting getting told not yet. We'll come back to that one. Why don't we go to beastieality? I never wanted to say that phrase in transition, but here we are. So why do we go to Senator Herono, who's asking questions in which she very artfully puts together beastieality

47:30requirements at the FBI and his public drunkenness. It's been that's been claimed by reporters at the Atlantic magazine among others. An organization charged with investigating theft. It should bring fees into your midst. But you won't give us true answers to why this change was made to your hiring, even to Senator Kennedy's questions this morning. I think he's still pretty mystified as to why beastieality was taken off the list. You have been so drunk that briefings have been rescheduled, so you could sleep it off. When challenged by Senator Van Haaland at the appropriation committee hearing several months ago to take an alcoholism test, you agree. Senator Van Haaland has posted the results of his test. We are still awaiting you posting your results. I love the way she connected, Senator

48:38connected. You think you should have taken beastieality off the list. Let's talk about your public drunkenness and following asleep in meetings. I've gotten reports I'm not sure they've been completely confirmed that he defended himself on the beastieality by saying some version of the victims of beastieality. I don't think he understands what the word means. If he thinks he's going to be hiring the victims of beastieality unless we're looking at goat FBI agents, we'll just leave it at that. So let's go back to senior senator of New Jersey, Cory Booker, who I'm going to have on the show in about a week going back after cash. No. Director, on May 12th of this year, before the Senate appropriations committee, you testified and I'm quoting you, I can tell you unequivocally, this FBI is targeting and investigating no journalists and quote. But in March of this year, after Elizabeth Williamson of the New York Times reported that you used

49:41a full-time FBI SWAT detail to protect and drive your girlfriend, your agent's interview, your girlfriend about Misses Williamson's reporting. Is that true? Why are you talking about my loved ones who have been threatened based on that? I did not ask you. It's a yes or no question. I'm going to answer it. I'm going to take your failure to answer as an affirmation. Your agent is wherever you want. Elizabeth Williamson's name through federal databases to gather information about her, yes or no. You can say whatever lies you want. We're not going to participate. Lies, is it a lie? Are you saying that that is not a fact? Stop talking. Stop talking. Stop. False. Yes. We're not attacking me and my loved ones. I am not. We have seen multiple people through our lives. I'm asking you to do a federal court based on this line of attack. I'm not going to participate in it. I'm asking you yes or no questions about activities of the FBI that is a matter of oversight I have a right to do. I'm not going to normally I would say but

50:41this seems to be a personal thing to him and it is interesting that he is using resources from the FBI in a way that he is not willing to be transparent and open about. His agents recommended moving forward to determine whether a New York Times reporter violated federal stalking law. The Department of Justice though ended it. They said he could no longer do this because there was no legal basis. You know, you know, listening to cash Patel doesn't help him out either. I mean, I'm not saying he sounded drunk but you be the judge. He's definitely sounded slightly impaired in some way. And back to the beastiality for a minute. I didn't realize the cash Patel thought that the sheep detective was an actual documentary. That's my last joke about that. So other senators took their turn and I'm not showing you the Republican ones because the Republicans were Republican ones were like Lindsey Graham's sister. You're doing a great job.

51:41You know, I apologize for my other brother and year going after you for murder rates are down. I mean, nothing to do with the FBI by the way. So let's turn to Senator Blumenthal got into it with him. Cash Patel about voting and elections and whether the FBI was going to be used to intimidate voters. Let me come back to the elections issue. I'd like a commitment from you that under no circumstances will FBI agents be deployed to the polls on or around election day. The FBI has an election counselor coordinator in every single field office where we quarterback these election activities from will continue to do that. But can you commit to this committee that you will not send FBI agents to the polls on election day? The FBI will follow the law if there's

52:42a reason to go there because there's been a violation of law we will otherwise we won't. Would you agree with me that the FBI has no general authority to monitor elections? That priority rests with DHS. So you would agree with me that deploying FBI agents to the polls on election day would be contrary to law? I don't know that we can't legally do it. I'm telling you we're going to house our agents and intel analysts in our field offices for elections. Well, I'm dissatisfied that you aren't unable to give us an unequivocal clear unambiguous commitment that the FBI will be kept out of election interference. Yeah, he's not going to do that because he's about as straight as a corkscrew. Later on, Cory Booker caught him, Cash Patel, with his burn book. They always bring in these burn books. He went to the to the Pambondi School of Senate hearing prep and DOJ prep and he comes

53:43in with the burn book, which was seen on camera, you know, things to ask Dick Durbin. You're not there to ask questions. You're not there to try to do a burn or have a comeback or a one line or a zinger against sitting United States senators who are providing oversight pursuant to their obligation under the Constitution. You are there to answer questions and to provide truthful answers under oath. Now, everyone of these examples of these, you know, they make fun clips, but for me, they're also going in the storage unit for future impeachment hearings against Cash Patel for lying under oath. And that brings us finally to Senator Adam Schiff. I have Senator Schiff joining me on Thursday to be talking about his cross examination, his leadership on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Hopefully, as the Democrats take control of it, you know, you'll be hearing even more about Senator

54:44Adam Schiff. But here's a here's a clip, a clip or two from Senator Adam Schiff that led to Cash Patel like a school boy hoping to avoid the professor's eye, but he hasn't prepared for class, trying to get out of the room. I'm to respond. Okay, it's time's up. So my question, Mr. Chairman, is following this New York Times article that alleged that you had abused the FBI SWAT team. I just told you it's a lie. Use me on the base. I have been able to finish my question. Did you or did you not or did anyone else at the FBI query a federal database regarding the New York Times reporter who wrote that story? I did not not to my knowledge. Did anyone do the FBI? I have no idea. I don't wonder everything they do. And let me also ask you a similar question about

55:46an article. The FBI director is missing an action. This was an article in the Atlantic. Another total lie, which is why I'm assuming Mr. Chairman, I'm still trying to ask questions. He's out of time. Are we done? Okay, Mr. Chairman. What I'd like to have you do is you asked your questions. I'm trying to stop and I want him to respond to you. That is what I'm doing, Mr. Chairman. Okay, so my question is this and I will address this through you to the director. My question is about the reporter's airfitts Patrick who wrote this article, the FBI director is missing an action. After this article came out, were any FBI resources used to look into this reporter in any way? No. Okay, the question is answered. Now he's done. You take your time if you want it right now before I go to the senator from Florida. See, Cash Patel, like packing up his mead trapper, like it was the first day of school. Can I get out of here now? No. And when one day,

56:51there's a Democrat sitting in that seat with his hand on the gavel like Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, but I think it's in the running to be the leader of the committee. You're going to see a quite different hearing. And the additional year left on the clock if Cash Patel is even still here, once that new Congress is seated, is going to be quite telling. So if you wanted to know, why is it so important to vote? You're seeing it when the Republicans are in charge and have the gavel, the party out of power has certain limitations, including time limits, and their ability to ask questions. They don't control subpoenas. They don't control the gavel. They don't control the pace and flow of investigations or the initiation of investigations. There's just, there's just the end and the Trump administration knows it. Of course, they know there's not much they can do at this moment, except continue to record and store this information, will dust it off once the

58:02Democrats regain power. That's that's what accountability looks like. This is dominant party controlling three branches of government party out of power. That's what that looks like. And if you don't like it, let that be the motivator for you to get out and vote. I just interviewed Kristen Clark, the general counsel for the NAACP, her interview is going up at about 9.30 a.m. Eastern time tomorrow on the Legal AF YouTube channel. And she said, I asked her, what's the survival kit, survivor kit for voters? And she said, make sure you're registered. And there's 1,800 numbers for that. Vote and then get 10 more people registered to vote. It's get 10 more. It doesn't have to just be in your neck of the woods. Get 10 more people registered to vote. If you can get and ensure that 10 that they vote, that's great too. But get them

59:02registered to vote. That's one survival mechanism. This is voter registration day and voter registration week. Now is the time to do that. I want to round out our podcast today, the intersection by answering just a couple of questions and I'll turn to the Kennedy Center. I don't know. That's my team doing with questions. Hopefully, there'll be more. Take, if you want to ask a question, put it in the chat now. We'll try to grab it. And I'll come back to it before we end. Two worlds collided today at the about the Kennedy Center. One, a federal judge named Chris Cooper issued an order, granting an emergency motion about the naming of the Kennedy Center. Hours later, the 30 or so members of the Board of Trustees of the Kennedy Center, dominated by Donald Trump, in which Donald Trump phoned in to the media and berated

1:00:07Joyce Beatty, the representative of Congresswoman, who's leading the charge as a plaintiff. In the case, she's holding this whole thing together with her bare hands. It's not representative Joyce Beatty versus, you know, and others versus not. It's representative Joyce Beatty, representative by Norm Eisen. And when he was done abusing her, he came out publicly and told us, not only has he kidnapped the Kennedy Center, but he gave us the ransom. He said, I'm not going to raise money for the Kennedy Center. I'm going to let it collapse under its own weight and wither on the vine, unless I get my name on the building. That's not a paraphrase. That's directly, we probably have it somewhere, that's directly out of his social media posting. In fact, I think I have it and I'm going to read from it. Here's what he said. It is social media posts. We pull it up here.

1:01:08One second, please, everybody can tell where we are live. He said the following. We're not but at folks. He said, he said the board of the Kennedy Center today agreed almost unanimously to close the building for safety reasons and so that it can begin the process of reconstruction. What's that in capitalized capitalization as if he's talking about after the Civil War. The closing will take place immediately. However, the renovation and reconstruction, which is very large and complex cannot begin until such time as the DC circuit rules on the boards approved name, meaning his name on the building. If the ruling is a negative one, meaning I lose, which it should not be and is not overturned by the Supreme Court, same court he was busy bashing today about the mail-in ballots ruling. The reconstruction and

1:02:14renovation will not take place. The attorneys from the DOJ will ask for an expedited appeal. In the meantime, $17 million raised by President Trump, there is him talking about himself, the third person again, has been put into the Kennedy Center to keep it afloat. We don't need your $17 million. We need the $250 million that Congress allocated for the Kennedy Center. Kennedy Center had a budget at the beginning of the year that said they were going to bring in about $206 million from sponsorships and ticket sales and subscriptions and all that. They brought in half of that. I wonder why? Nobody wants to perform there. Nobody wants to be associated with it. Nobody wants to get a Kennedy Center honor. Nobody wants to get the presidential medal. Nobody wants to watch it on TV. Yeah, that'll cut your business model in half. But they still, in addition to that, have the $250 million allocated by Congress. Where is the money? In which of the many bank accounts

1:03:15of Donald Trump is that $250 million in the ballroom account, in the arch account, in the reflecting pool account? Where is it? Because it's not being spent in the Kennedy Center. And if I were the lawyers, this is one of the few times I step out of my role as podcaster and talk about it as a practicing lawyer. And I know the lawyers involved. I were the lawyers. I would amend my case, bring a new motion based on the vote today by the Kennedy Center Board over objection by Joyce Beatty to shut down the Kennedy Center. I would file a motion that they are in breach of their fiduciary duties as trustees, that they have breached the public trust, that they can't be trusted with operating the Kennedy Center nor with reporting accurately to the court. The court should appoint a monitor using its equitable authority, you know, like put it in receivership, but have a court appointed monitor, former federal judge that reports only to judge Cooper about the financial condition, about programming, about physical plants,

1:04:19about fundraising, about where's the 250? And let's start getting some transparency that is in short supply coming out of Howard Lutnik, the Commerce Secretary, is wife who's on the board and 29 other people. And let's start protecting a national treasure and the only living monument to the fallen president of JFK that's in Washington. I'm like fired up. No, I'm not going to shut up. Chuck Grassley. I'm just not. I'm going to use that as a mean. Will you shut up? No, it's going to be my new ringtone. That's what the lawyer should be asking for. That's what the federal judge should be addressing as a remedy. Yes, it's interesting to have him order again today for the second time that the permanent injunction that he issued already says what it says. It says don't put his name on the building or the plaza. I get it. But somebody's got to put

1:05:20a motion in front of him based on this last breach of trust. Why don't they be honest? Donald Trump is choking out the Kennedy Center and it's financial lifeline in order to be the hero and the rescuer to get his name on the building. Just say it. You have so much more respect for you if you would just say it. That's what's going on because that's what's going on. This is the classic arsonist fireman. That's fired at the building and then he comes to the rescue with a fire hose. The only working fire hose around. Of course, and think about the precedent that would be set. A president, whoever the occupant in the Oval Office is. If a Democrat did this, I'd be just as hot right now. President, sitting in his office looks out the window and says, you know, I never like the Washington monument. 2.D. I don't like obelisks. I don't like the color. I'm going to cut off the

1:06:24funding to maintain it. Whatever happens happens. It'll be one of those movies like set in the future where there's like grass and weeds growing out of the Washington monument. Drafts are and water buffalo are walking around Washington like that. Like no, you don't get to choose as the president of the United States which of the monuments you're going to be a caretaker for while you're in a temporary occupant of the White House. How ludicrous. I mean, I know Donald Trump knocked over a third of the White House. So he thinks, well, you know, he's emboldened by that. If I imagine him at night, God, if I can knock over a third of the White House, I'll let me do anything. Right. Glad I'm reporting to pay for my son's wedding and I'll get away with it. Yes, while the Democrats are the party out of power. But, you know, there's a cold wind blowing, if you know what I mean, times they are a change in and we have the power to change it. The number one

1:07:26thing I can tell you from all of my discussions with the attorneys general, with the heads of the NAACP and the ACLU democracy forward and all the other groups that we collaborate with. Number one thing is the power is in our hands. They want to make us small. They want to make us feel like, you know, we're a giant with superpowers as a nation if we vote together. But they they try to convince us through some sort of circus mirror, some some sort of fun house mirror that we're tiny. We're beneath them. We are not tiny. We are not beneath them. They work for us. They are public servants and we're the public. And the most powerful thing that we have in our toolbox is our vote, our ability to organize, our ability to register, our ability to get out the vote, the enthusiasm around the vote. So you want a survival kit on voter registration days. We head into legal AFS to your birthday in two days. Okay, here it is. Today, today, not tomorrow. Don't put it off.

1:08:30Tonight, when you come off the podcast, figure out whether you register to vote looking at your state's database or other databases that are available. If you are registered, move on to make sure people in your life, in your circle of friends and trust that their register to vote. Ask them. Are you registered to vote? Are you sure? Here's a number or a database I use provided to them. And stay on top of them to be registered to vote. And then vote whatever way your state allows you to vote and bring other people with you to vote. That could be early voting days. Every state hasn't even the red ones. They might be narrow. They might be a few days, but they're early voting days at a few centers around your state. It may be voting in person. Some people like to vote in person, clear out their docket for the whole day, wait in line, get in there, cast their ballot. I get you. Some people can't do that because of their jobs, because of their physical or mental disabilities, because of many different reasons. And so they got to vote by mail or absentee ballot. Students,

1:09:34members of the military, older people, people in hospitals. They got to vote. They have the right to vote. And so there's a bar code, usually on the bottom of envelopes for states for your mail and ballot. Get your mail and ballot now that the post office isn't going to block it and mail it back in that envelope, but track it. And if it doesn't end up where you want it to, meaning it hasn't been registered as a vote before the election, then go in. You have the right to vote a provisional ballot. Go get one from your local election office and vote that provisional ballot. It will be open and counted if your mail and ballot doesn't show up, your provisional ballot becomes your true ballot. If you don't do that, and the mail and ballot is lost, so still no trust, not the postal workers. They're great. I don't trust the leadership of the post office that's under Donald Trump's thumb to not try to slow down the delivery of the mail. Our attorneys general

1:10:38don't trust it either. They're ready to run into court and go into processing centers to get bags of ballots delivered to be counted on time because there is a deadline, ultimately. So vote a provisional ballot. If you have a mail in ballot, go drop it off in one of those secure boxes that your state uses. You can trust those. Don't let Donald Trump take away your trust in the system for the process. Drop it in that box. Now you voted. Then you can do other things on election day like be a poll watcher or be outside the polls or inside the polls or the rest. And then there's ways to be the eyes and ears for the various parties and for the attorneys general and report what you see. This is your survival kit for, but it starts with registering and confirming that you are and then voting. And then leave it to the NAACP and the ACLU and the Democratic attorneys general to make sure that from voting because their job's not done on voting.

1:11:43It's voting day, all voting days, early mail-in absentee voting day. It's counting and the lawsuits around counting. These are the buckets, right? It's certification, which used to not be a thing, but it's now a thing because that's how the Republicans attack the validity of a vote, the certification process and the litigation around the certification process. And then even after it's certified, it's the seating of members of Congress and other offices by whoever's responsible for seating, like the Speaker of the House in Congress and the litigation around seating. I assure you the groups that work in collaboration with legal AF with the intersection are ready, ready with lawsuits already drafted on these various issues that will arise between now and the seating of the new Congress. Let me answer a few questions as we end here on the intersection. Thank you for being here and being so generous with your time.

1:12:46Will Higgseth actually be impeached? What can we expect going forward from Mass East call for impeachment today? Not much. I did a whole version of impeachment. The Democrats are not going to support impeachment at this moment. They're going to wait to get elected, get the gavill in their hand, and then they will lead the impeachment proceedings. Mr. Popak, how do you think all of this will end with a bang, a whimper, a shout? I think we, I think if the voters vote in their interests with the enthusiasm levels that we've seen in the streets during protests and beyond and here on the minus touch network, it is, it is, I have high confidence that the Democrats will get more, even more than 218 seats in the Congress, and I think they could sweep the Senate as well. And that will return real accountability. And there's, look, we're not going to fix everything that Donald Trump has broken in two years. It's going to take two years plus one or two terms of a

1:13:47president to do that. But it starts, the healing starts, the fixing starts with the midterm elections. We can't pass that over. Let's see, if Democrats win the House and the Senate, what legal enforcement powers does Congress have? The president Trump defies the subpoena or lawful congressional order. You mean related to his impeachment or otherwise? I mean, listen, there's a sergeant in arms of Congress. There are, there, if the FBI, the D.O.J and the Marshalls won't assist, you know, they could deputize other people, you know, then what's that movie Civil War becomes more of a documentary to go pull him out and bring him before Congress. Fortunately, we have never had to get there. If we have to get there, we'll burn that bridge when we get there. But there, there will be mechanisms untried, untested, but mechanisms Congress can use with a defiant president who refuses.

1:14:48He doesn't have to go to his impeachment. You can skip that. He never went to the last two. But that's the way I think that's going to work. Let me do one more. What guarantee do we have the Johnson will do is job and swear and elected Democrats for the midterms? None, none. And he already did a test run when he kept Representative Grahava out. She would have been and she became the final signature, the 218th signature on the Epstein petition to have a discharge. And she had a file lawsuit over it. And then he relented. And I just talked to the ACLU. I just talked to Democratic Attorney General and the NAACP and they have these lawsuits already drafted with itchy trigger figures ready to file. And so quick programming note as we end here. Danny Benzki Epstein survivor and leader is going to be with me tomorrow to talk about her attending the cash battel confirmation hearing. Sorry, I wish I wish. The cash battel oversight committee hearing

1:15:53today. I've got Sophia Lynn Lakin, the head of the voter integrity project for the ACLU up right now on the legal AFU YouTube channel talking about the big win at the Supreme Court, which was also led by the ACLU. I've got Kristen Clark, the general counsel for the NAACP joining me at 930 tomorrow. Eastern time on legal AF. I've got Senator Schiff, who really showed one clip. There's like a good 10, 15 minutes of Schiff taken down cash battel about cash battel and other things that matter to him. All of these things, you know, coming up in the next several days, ways to support what we do. Legal AF's birthday is Constitution Day the 17th and that is Thursday. We are two years old. We are 1.24 million strong. We are 800 and five or so million viewers. Help us on legal AFU YouTube

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