The Instance: Billions of Corpse Runs

0:00So I learned a little something this week, Bobby. You wanna hear about this? You wanna hear about this? Yeah, okay. What? Hit me. 10s of billions of character deaths have happened in World Warcraft since 2004, since the release of the game. That doesn't include classic, doesn't include the, you know, when Arthas wipes everybody it, but you all come back right after, doesn't count any of that. Like none of this artificial stuff. Okay, because that's like a fake death. That's a fake death. You were not gonna be dead for long. It was annoying. Or the first of my sawd, I actually was surprised back because I didn't see any videos leading up to it. Back in those Wrath Days. So it was actually. It was great. But tens of billions, we don't have an exact account of this because Blizzard has never released numbers in this regard. But that's a lot of characters just die in and then running, flying, or riding back ghostly form to their lumpy body and picking her back up again, you know? There are less than 10 billion people on Earth. Do you think it includes all the deaths

1:02from when you logged into the game on New Patch Day and the Zeppelin took you out into the middle of the ocean and dumped you into the water and you died? Probably, probably. Or even people who swam too far, you know, how that would work. You'd go, like, I think I can go forever and then you would start like making your sick or whatever your character'd throbbing red and then you'd die out in the middle of nowhere. I'll bet those are in there. Well, I'm gonna say that those are fake numbers then because they juiced them with all their crappy code. Oh, shit. What is all this time about, I am just thinking about an entire night moving with the DVD or Star Wars Captain. There are so many episodes we got to explain. You couldn't exactly make sure of anything, since death is death. Any of my viewers may think I didn't have any fun film cast or a content out there with me, but we were doing this strategy everyday. In a minute I'll be irrelevant. You say to keep your eyes on the final lines according to the upswing剛 and the time of every shelf. I just wanna help. Thank you and see you soon. Hi, I've gotta make sure

2:02No, it'll be, let's see. So I've been in ways away from me. I had been to every Blizzcon from 2011 on until, let's see, I guess until the pandemic. How long does it take you to get to, do you fly? Yeah, when you would go, you flew? Yeah, we only flew, we only ever flew it. It was like an hour, it's nothing. It's an hour flight. Yeah, that's like, so if you were to drive there, how long would it take? Oh, about 10 and a half hours to drive to LA. Wait, holy, how do you translate, is it because of the mountains? It's no, it's because of speed limits. Because it makes it. Okay, hold on. Because as the crow flies, as you know, it's a little different than when as the van drives. Yeah, when I drive to, so my dad lives in Atlanta and when I drive to his house, it takes about four hours from where I am. And that's like an hour flight, if I were to fly hour and a half, maybe.

3:05Okay, that's interesting. So how is, how did the travel math, travel math doesn't make any sense? No, that's actually really good. That's a really good point. Why does it take so much longer by road? And I can confirm this from other perspectives. It takes about six, five to six hours to get from LA to Vegas if you drive. And that's with no traffic. So we're assuming no traffic across the board here for this, for this trip. It might be closer to eight and a half if you have zero traffic, but that doesn't exist in California, especially as your, let me ask you, do you mean to say that if you take off at 10 o'clock, so at like city time, you will land at 11 o'clock California time? No, if I take off, it is only one Earth clock ticking hour. Like you are in the air for an hour. Correct. Now, there may be a bunch of getting ready in the plane's late or you're taxing forever, getting all that if you're just from what lift off to we have lift off to we've landed.

4:07That's about an hour, like getting glasses at a lens crafters at the mall. That's about weird about that. I'm going to have to look into that. Can you do that? Because if I've got this wrong, then I would love to hear the guy here who actually has a license to fly a plane, which is Bobby and not me. I would love to hear more about that. But I'm not going because of two reasons. Number one. I should use to give press credentials and or help out a little bit with costs to a much lower mid to low tier of community sort of influence or types hosts, podcasts, hosts, video channels, that sort of thing. Something changed this year, where I can't speak to when they announced midnight of that when the 2023 one was any different. But they don't do that like they used to do it. And now it's like, I think I mentioned this couple episodes ago, but it's like two or three big mainstream, the kids know who they are type influencers.

5:11And then kind of none of the usual faces. And it's also true of the bands and stuff. It's all K-pop, J-pop, I guess T-Pains old, but I'm not really sure why he's going. But no longer the dad rock era of Metallica and the food fighters and all that. So I don't know what that means. It probably means there was a meeting at some point where they went, look, all the old are here. They're playing. They're committed. We're not going to sell to new 45 year old dudes who want to play World of Warcraft for the most part. What we should do is focus on the kids because the kids are all playing Fortnite and Roblox and they don't want anything to do with us. So how do we get those guys? Something like that happened, I believe. I think you're probably right. Because if you're trying to, what's the point in why do you invite these people? Why do you do? Why do you organize it and structure it in any way? It's at least from a business perspective.

6:13Now we could all talk about why we would structure it a certain way because we want to have fun and we want to see this. But from a business perspective, from a corporate business perspective, they're probably thinking about growth. And as you said, the 40 to 55 demographic, it's probably not a growth demographic. No, I think it's been a very healthy thing for them as a World of Warcraft in 2004, required a bunch of young 30 year olds to kick things off. And we did. Man, we were there for it. And then time passed and now they're going, oh, shit, we can't do this. I think there's some of that to it. I also think that they're just simplifying in general. And I don't necessarily blame them. It's a giant cluster. And I did it for so many years and I don't know how they ever pulled this shit off. I'm like talking to people internally, it was just like, wow, I don't know how you guys do. How do you even run this? And it is primarily these days being run by a contracted third party.

7:16So they don't even do most of it internally the way they used to. So just a lot of that has changed. The price of tickets has gone way up. The cost of getting there, staying anywhere near there is all exponentially grown. So those are factors also. I think had I been given at least press access, I may have finagled a way to figure it out. But they didn't do any of that to share with anybody. And it's not just like me going, okay, I didn't get it. Like I had my time in the sun up there. I'm good. Everybody I've talked to that are in similar boats are kind of in the same vein of coverage or, you know, the gut communities that are a little bit smaller, more adjacent, whatever. All of them got snubbed as well. Again, I don't mean as a negative thing. I just think this is the nature of this business now. And they're not snubbed. Snubbed can be a positive word. Yeah, I really can't. It can be, honestly, like they're times I've used it a positive. There's times where I like, I like being snubbed. Like if there's a party and someone's like, ah, we're not biting them.

8:18Actually, I'm okay with that. You might like, you might, you might like that you were snubbed, but nobody says that they're going to snub someone that someone was snubbed and that's a positive thing. Yeah. I just, I got to push you. This is the mountain. This is the hill I'm going to. You're going to die on this that snubbed is never a positive term. Right. Unless, no, you're right. That's it. I was trying to think of like another use for snubbed. But I would say you're right that we were, people like us were overlooked. Yeah. That's why, why would you, why would you look at us? Yeah. And also, this is also a blizzard that is not the same blizzard. When more time and those guys were, even in the very beginning and then throughout the kind of growth of the company and even at that sort of, let's say 2010, 20 to 2015 kind of era of the height of it all, I think that they, they were still that kind of company where that, the community that got you there still mattered and all those guys are that

9:20age to, you know, more time in them or all, you know, pushing 60 now, but, you know, Metsons in his 50s, everybody's in their 50s. And they, when they started this company, they were all young, hungry, 22 year olds. And it just feels like the inevitable thing, enough time passes, the sort of thing can't last forever. People literally die off like that's just the truth. And what are we at now? Well, we're at a place where they have a big corporate mandate and right now things are weird with that mandate. Blizzard is their top performer. So maybe it makes them seem safe, but I think it's also a little weird. So I don't know, there's a lot to talk about with all that. Some of it is pure conjecture because we don't freaking know. But yeah. I don't want to think I do like this here is they're going to stream the entire thing and not make it a $50, you know, pay for it thing.

10:20You can just see it on Twitch, YouTube, wherever. Yeah. And that's great because you and I, we're going to talk about this again later, but you and I are going to stream a coast stream, the opening ceremonies and a bunch of the wild stuff on Saturday, the 12th of this month. Yeah, that'll be fun. Yeah. We'll be fine. You said we're going to talk about it later. Maybe I'm going to ask you a question, which is because you came in hot and I want to know, we haven't talked. It's been like two weeks since I talked to you. How you doing? I'm doing all right. I went to Moab, Utah. Oh, yeah. I know you went somewhere. It was for your anniversary. Was. Yeah. Now, here's some more confusing travel time. I thought it took five hours to get the Moab. It takes three and a half hours. Now, I don't know if that's because speed limits have changed since oh, seven last and I was there or something else. I don't know. But for whatever reason, I was. The universe is expanding. That's why I got. Maybe that's it. I got stoked because I got in the car fired up the old GPS through on car play and went, all right, let's lock it in. And I'm ready to look at a number that says five points, something hours because you're

11:22like, all right, car, car video game time. Yeah. Yeah, or nap or whatever it was going to do. I was having a book. I was reading all this stuff. So I do that. And it says three point hour and 20 or three hours and 20 minutes. I'm like, what a crumble. Believe it. I was so excited. So we got their way, way quick. But there's a, there's a wow connection out in Moab that that I, I didn't, one I expected, one I didn't expect. One of the reasons that I've said that 1000 needles thing again. Yeah, it might be, might be just a little though 1000 needles, which is currently underwater. Yeah. Which is a real shame. It has been since what 2012, whenever that expansion came out, when, when I'm a change, but what was the mad dragon expansion? Okay, cataclysm. What was that? 2011, 12, nope. I don't know. So it's 10, whatever it was. December 7th, 2010. There you go. According to, that makes sense. Because we learned about, um, Pandaria pretty quickly after that.

12:27And then that blizzcon, 2011 blizzcon, I got to play it. So that's what that makes sense. So anyway, my favorite zone in the entirety of the world of warcraft was 1000 needles. And then they, then they flooded it, the bastards. A fan did, I don't know where this is. It's somewhere in my office, but there's a painting he made of Gurp and Henry, my hunter in his pet, Neil, uh, Gurp's kneeling and Henry's next to him at the base of the bottom of that canyon. And behind him, there's a giant water wall, like a, like a wave, tidal wave. Oh, that's pretty cool. Coming in to like change things forever, right? Super cool. I treasure it. I freaking love it. This guy did this. But it really, I have just lots of feelings about it. And it turns out the reason I do is as a kid, we would go to Moab and like Powell and all these places with huge walls of Red Rock and balancing stones and weird arches and all that stuff, right? And that's that. I mean, that is that area.

13:28That is, that's another planet. If you've never been down there, I highly recommend it. It is absolutely crazy. You just go to Arches National Park and you just be like, what the frick is this? Like you really do feel like you, you got, you know, no man's guide somewhere. And uh, this was just such a great reminder of that. I was like, oh yeah, dude, this is just printed on me. This kind of, this is these places are printed in my soul. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you like all, I mean, you always like all kinds of media, video games, movies and everything that look like this deserts. Yeah, baby. Yeah. And then, you know, it's not just Fury Road. Those people, you know, tease me for loving that movie so much. But it's got a huge, it's a huge part of why I love Fury Road is the vibe and the vibe is this. So that was my first thing. I'm waiting there. It's like having 1000 needles back. This is great. Yeah. Walking around, some taurans doing stuff and just getting there. So taurans. But there's this dude named Matt to now. The reason his name is Matt to is he's a waiter at this, at this burger place, this pub

14:30we went to in town. You know, that, um, normally he's packed and crazy, but we're off season last week. So it was great. We were kind of alone. And this guy goes, Hey, I'm Matt to because there's another Matt and he's been here longer. So they call me Matt to and like sweet class. I said to him and he goes, I know your shirt. And I went, I don't know yours. No, I said, Oh, really? And I looked down and sure enough, I had forgotten I'd done it, but I'm wearing a world of warcraft big, gold logo shirt. Yeah. I've had forever. And he goes, he goes, Oh, I miss world of warcraft so much. I say, I'm still out there for him. He's still playing it. I know. But this and that and time and whatever, the bad internet out in Moab and all this sort of thing. And that's the reason why I can't play, but he was so excited to talk about the game a little bit. I told him about the show and he goes, I think I heard of that show before. I said, you might have it was kind of a big deal on the day. And I don't want to brag or any. Yeah, I don't want it. It was kind of a big deal. And then he goes, you go into that blizzcon that's coming up as, I mean, he knew all that

15:33stuff and yeah, yeah. So we had this whole conversation and it was, it was lovely. It was like a nice little person to person, you know, no, no money on the table. Other than the burger I had to pay for it, but, you know, this is an exchange of a shared thing. And it was nice. So even though I got to play like no video games all week, which is probably good as my anniversary. I'm not meant to go play video games while I'm supposed to be spending time with my wife. But I didn't play, wow, I didn't play anything else. And a little bit of Pokemon pinball in the car. That was about it. You got to get, you got to get something in, you know. Yeah. What am I, what am I crazy? I read a lot. I did a lot of reading. So that was cool. But anyway, so shout out. I don't think you'll hear it. I, maybe you will. I told them about the show and where to get it. But Matt too, if you're listening, that was, that was genuinely a cool experience to talk about. One of the greatest video games ever made in the backdrop of the place that makes me love.

16:33I like, I'm not even, I don't think I'm hoarded without it. Honestly. My, my devotion to hoard people think it's just, oh, you'd like to, the dirty races or that freaking, you know, whatever it is, right? I've always been accused of various things with that. But the bottom line is they live where I want to live in the desert. Even though I'm the widest man you'll ever meet and I'll get freaking 50 kinds of skin cancer and burned every day. All of that aside, cover me up. I'm fine. That is where I want to be. It's where I want to live. It's where I want to die. You know what? I wouldn't mind. You got, you got terminal butt cancer. You need to, you need to, you're going to be gone in like a week. I'd probably say, see ya and get out to some canyon somewhere. Nope, nope, nope. If I had to, I'd want to be somewhere with good plumbing. Well, the Grand Canyon, delicate arch, these places don't have good plumbing. So it wouldn't work that way. But if you're, and even if it's just as simple, like take my ashes to Moab, sprinkle them

17:35around. You know, out in the dirt somewhere, take a path. Don't even do it legally. Don't care what anyone says. Just find where nobody is and just sprinkle them around. Let the lizards know that I'm up there. Let the lizards know. That's a T-shirt if I ever. Yeah, we're all the warcrafts. Let the lizards know. What do you think of that? I barely know what it means. So it's a great T-shirt. Well, anyway, it was really fun and the only bummer was, a couple of shows got dinged. This was one of them because I was gone and we really couldn't do much to do anything remote. Yeah, great time to have to miss a show is right as the season two started. Yeah, getting all hairy in there. And as far as I know, you have both your raid teams or both raid teams you're involved with. Have you taken down the great? No. My primary raid team is usually always a little bit behind the core within core guild raid team. So Tanner's a task master.

18:35That's because Tanner runs a tight ship. And if you don't, if he demands performance. And if you don't, if you don't perform, then he's going to say a lot of mean words to you. Yep, you come to that guy and you go, Hey, Tanner, I hit whatever I level and you'll go, that could be better. He'd say, yeah, it's fine, I guess. Yeah, we're actually, that's the thing about Tanner. He's got such a like a, like a, like a calm kind of voice. You feel like, you feel like you're disappointing him. Yeah, yeah. And that just feels so bad. Yeah, I don't want to disappoint him. He's going to, he's going to blizzcon. He's going to do some back and forth with me and we're going to try to just get some on the ground business. Great. I don't know how much he'll get to see outside of whatever one I'll get to see, but he's going to give it a shot. So maybe get some soundbites for us at the usual thing we used to do when we go to this show. So yeah, yeah.

19:35Yeah, we'll see how that goes. But boots on the ground, but you got busy playing. I played nothing. I played nothing. So you got way busy. Did you, I mean, where are you? You've cleared everything. You beat the World of Warcraft. You're done. Yeah. So, so let's talk about what I feel like this will be a thing commonly because I consistent, like, I'm playing the game every week. So it's like, what did Bobby do this week in World of Warcraft? It's going to be hard to avoid because Scott has had no time. I'm paying for a month right now, but I'm not in there at the moment. That's all that, that's all that Blizzard cares about. Oh, I know. No, honestly, they care about the hot new influencer coming to BlizzCon to talk to the kids and they care about my 2004 and forward sub that I've had. I briefly had the, had the 100 year card or whatever it was called just for a second. And then they changed how they let that work and I know. Okay. Yeah. But you get, you talk to somebody at Blizzard and you say like, oh, I just haven't really been into World of Warcraft and then they're going to be like, oh, well, what is it?

20:37How can we? And then you say, well, I'm still paying for the subscription. They're like, oh, okay, never mind. We're talking. Yeah. F off. We're busy. No. So yeah, it's season two started. And so what have I been doing? So the first thing I did was I was getting into Mythic Plus a little bit. We talked about that last time a little bit in the, in the week before the season starts I was doing like the Mythic Plus World Tour, you know, trying to get familiar with all that stuff. That's what everybody does. And how much of that for you is tied with like, I've seen four videos and I'm also now seeing it for the first time on Mythic Zero. And now I'm all ready to go. Or you just, I am, I don't, people might be shocked by this. I don't know how many people will be shocked by this. But I don't watch like videos for how to do these things. Maybe a little bit of that is because I am a tank.

21:39So I have the privilege of everyone needing me to be in a group. So they have to put up with if I'm learning and not doing a good job. But I'm always like, I can't watch a whole video about, you know, the temple of Scythralis and then say, and then remember, I can't be expected to remember all of that stuff. That's a lot to be expected to be expected of. By the time I get to the end of the video and there is some dude is explaining in the terrible way that YouTubers explain how the strategies work for the last boss. I've forgotten what the first boss even is. So I just jump in there and, and, and roll with it. Yeah. And see what happens. But anyway, I didn't do that the first week when the, when the season started. I actually jumped into Delves because they, they have this thing in the Delves. So every Delve for, for those who maybe haven't played in a while and don't know Delves

22:41are a single player thing. You know, like you just go in and you know what a Delve is. It's like a single person dungeon run. Really? Yeah. So, so you go in there, you're doing the Delves, but there's always, at the end of, there's sort of like a mini quest thing that introduces you to, there's always like a Delve boss, which is the Delve nemesis. And every season has a different boss. And, and if you beat that boss, you get some rewards, but it's on, it has two difficulties. It has like a question mark difficulty. I don't know why they do question marks. I guess because Delves have different tiers, you select and the, the question mark, I guess is supposed to be like, oh no, what is this? How hard is this? Yeah. Usually not very. It turns out. Unless you're, yeah. One isn't too bad though, but then they have a one level above that for the same boss, which is the double question mark.

23:42It's, it's question mark, question mark. Whoa. That one usually is very hard. I usually take that as somebody's. If you have one question mark, there's just asking a question. If you have two, they're panicking. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, that's what it is. You kind of are panicking when you're fighting these bosses. The double question mark version of these nemesis bosses and every Delve and every season is always really, really hard. So what they've done in the past is I think they just did it for the first time in season one of midnight. What they did was like the first, I think it was like the first thousand people to beat the double question mark boss, got a, a feat of strength in a title achievement. I didn't know they did that. That's cool. Yeah. Like the fabled, let me solo him, whatever the boss' name was or anyway. So that was cool. You know, like those thousand people, they get something special.

24:44There is a big community sort of uproar about that because the first thousand people sounds cool and everything. But, but if it's time, like if it, if it kicks off right when the season starts, then it's a little unfair for, you know, like it favors the, the, the no lifers who can sit there and, and hit it over and over and over again as soon as it drops and don't have jobs and don't have kids and, and are a, a sleep maybe when it starts and stuff like that. It's a, it's a problem with these in general. Like when Diablo get it or the first thousand to hit a hundred or whatever, which both shorts got into. Yeah. I mean, that it favored him, which was a guy at the time who wasn't working anywhere and was, yeah, he wasn't working. All the things I just said, he wasn't working. He doesn't have kids. He's, you know, like, but, uh, which is fine for him, but, uh, but for people like me, so I, I wasn't like upset about it or anything. I was just like, well, I'm not going to get that. So whatever. Um, but they changed it this season to be instead of the first thousand people.

25:49It's, it was, uh, it's the, it was the first, it was the, anybody who was able to beat the, the question, double question mark boss in the first week of the season, which I think works pretty well because you still, it's still very hard to do it at all. Yeah. Um, let it, and, and in the first week, it's especially hard because you don't, you haven't built up a lot of gear to protect you from making mistakes. Because these delve nemesis bosses are designed with gimmicks that you have, you have to solve, you can't just out gear it. Um, you, gear can help. You survive certain mechanics that maybe are unforgiving, but you have to, the real test is that you can, uh, learn the gimmicks. You can learn the, where to move, how it works and all that kind of stuff and that you

26:51can execute it more or less perfectly. And, um, and what gear does is, like I said, it, typically what gear does is it makes it so that you'll kill the boss faster because you have higher DPS. So you'll have to, you'll have to deal with the mechanics for a shorter amount of time, but you still have to execute it perfectly. Anyway, the point I'm making is that doing it in the first week is really, really hard because you don't have all the new gear yet. Right. Um, and so that's what I did the first week. And I got it. Um, nice. So I killed the boss and, uh, you get, you get a title, what's the title? The fabled vanquisher of Aztec. Damn. And, um, I had to ask my doctor if Aztec was right for me. Yeah. It, uh, turns out it's not. Okay. Being recalled because you didn't get the title. Okay. Well, that makes sense. That's cool though. How many of those do you have these unique titles that are tied to that kind of achievement? Where everyone's got to get it. I've never, I've never really tried to push really hard to get something that you have

27:56to be on the cutting edge to really get unless you count like a head of the curve, which I don't really because it's, it's pretty like if, if you put any kind of effort into getting ahead of the rate achievements ahead of the curve, then you'll get it. Like you just have to put some effort into it. You'll get it. Sure. Um, but I've never tried anything like this before to get it because I'm usually like, I've got other things I want to do. I don't want to devote because you really, I really had to sit down. It's a very hard boss to beat. This one required a memory game. Um, it was really, really. So what happens is at a certain point, I won't go through all the mechanics, but the main gimmick is that at three points throughout the fight, based on percentage when the boss gets down to 90% health, then 60% then 30% health, a thing, a memory game happens. So the boss runs into the middle of the room and will basically will cover the room with a bunch of poison will shoot out a bunch of poison into the room,

28:57except for one quadrant of the room is kept safe. All right. So you can see it. It's pretty easy to see you run to that quadrant and you're safe. And then it moves to another one and then it moves to another one. So you're moving around, right? And it happens that kind of movement and that happens. The first time it happens at 90% health, he does it five times. The second time it happens at 60% health, he does it six times. And then at 30% health, he does it seven times. So you have to find the safe spot or the safe quadrant of the room that many times each time it happens. And it sounds easy enough, right? Typical mechanic, you stand near the boss and you can move to each of the quadrants really quickly because he's in the middle of the room. So pretty easy. Sure. The hard part is there are two things. First, the hard part is after he does it and you move it, he then does it again in the same order that he did the first time,

29:57but now you can't see it. So you have to just go and stand in those locations. So it's a memory. It's a memory game. So you have to remember how it went. Even harder though, because remember, it starts with five and then six and then seven. So when you're at 30% health, you're trying to remember. You're trying to memorize a sequence of seven quadrants. It's hard. And then at the same time, he has created a duplicate image of himself that you're having to fight. And these bosses, you have to like be ready to interrupt and to move out of their stuff and to all this kind of stuff while you're memorizing the sequence. That just seems like dirty pool. It's very hard. You, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's one of those challenges that is very frustrating and incredibly rewarding when you get it. I have, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about this one. I've always thought that I like the, the del bosses because of that,

30:58how they're always very challenging and it feels very rewarding to be this one, though. I did not want to use an add on to figure it out. All right. Okay. That's just the kind of part of Bobby as you guys. Well, that's a cheat for him. Yeah. Well, because like I don't just want, like, I don't know. It would be, it's just for me, right? Like if someone sees the title and the mount, they don't know if I, they probably even assumed because there are add-ons that exist. They don't solve it for you, but they add, the, the add on that exists because the, the game doesn't do add-ons like that anymore. Right. But the add-on that exists is it basically puts like a, you, you, you put some colored markers down on the, on the ground so that you can easily identify. Oh, it's the, it's the green section. It's the purple section. It's the orange section. Can you just do those standard grade markers if you add to put down the spell? So you do that. You put those on the ground and then the add on what it does is it puts like a, like an interface box on your screen.

32:03And that sort of looks like a Simon game, right? And then you, as it's happening, you're moving and then you click. Oh, it was in the purple one. Oh, it was in the blue one. And then when it's over because it's timer based, when it's over, it then goes back, it then goes back through them slowly based on the, on the timer. And then it, it, it tells you which one to go, which color section to go to. Gotcha. Okay. So I did not want to do that because that's hard still. Yeah. But it was, like for me, I was like, I can do it. And I tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried. And it was, I couldn't get it. I even tried, the, I even tried so hard not to use the add-on that at one point. I got my daughter in here. And I said, okay. Here's what you're going to do. She's 11 years old. She doesn't want to do this. But I was like, this is what I need you to do. She's a biological add-on. She really was. So, so she, she came in and I gave her a piece of paper and a pencil. I said, here's what we're going to do.

33:04I'm going to go through. I'm going to, I'm going to call out the colors. And then you're going to write them down. And then I'm going to have you read them back to me. And then after she did that, like, because the fight is long, after she did that a couple of times, she got really bored. And so I didn't make her do it anymore. And that's when I realized, what are you doing, Bobby? You're just, that's what the add-on does. Just use the add-on. Just use the add-on. Yeah. You were trying to skirt around the add-on. You created your own add-on, but it was more complicated. You made it easier. Yeah. Well, what really made convinced me to just do the add-on was I was like, what am I going to tell people? Yeah, I didn't use an add-on. And then I'll describe the way I did it. And then they're just going to be like, Bobby, you still, that's what the add-on does. Yeah, the add-on does what you did physically. That's funny. I mean, so I did it. I still, I'm still impressed. Anytime they add a third dimension to memory games, I'm great with up, down, left, right. No problem. Let's go. North, South, East, West. Not a problem, but if you start saying, or if you have to rotate, and what was on my, I don't know, North, East is now my Southwest, I can't keep that shit.

34:09I can't do that. It's, it's very hard, but I got it. And that was exciting. And that's, that was the first thing I, I have done. So we don't usually call out chat stuff in the middle of the show, but I just have to do this one. Jerry Tolbert says, this is your human analog color keeper or hack. There you go. That's pretty good. I like that. It's pretty good. Bobby hacked the game. Everybody. Yeah, I did hack it. So that's cool though. I think you still deserve it, even though you kind of did the shortcut. They all do everyone's using the shortcut. So you're playing on an equal field. It's not like, you know, I'm sure someone, someone somewhere is bragging right now that they did it without it. I'm sure. And they truly, they deserve something extra if they did it without an add on because it is very hard. It is still hard. I keep saying it. It's still hard. I keep saying it because I want people to be impressed that I did it. Yeah. But, but it is, it's still hard to do it with the add on, but it is, it is very,

35:11very hard to do it without an add on. How many, how many wipes do you figure you went through? Oh, easel, I don't know. It's easily 40 or 50. Jeez. But that's not even that many. Some of the ones in the, in past seasons of Delves, I easily did a hundred, 15, 130 wipes on some of those. Yeah, it's a tear eight, tear nine ones. I remember being pretty spiky at the end. And it would, and I would go through, I would die a lot and go, well, yeah, maybe I'll come back to this. Yeah, those nemesis bosses are really, really tough. But that was the delt. So, and then once I did that, I was like, okay, now I can get into mythic plus. But by that, by then, it was like, it was raid night. So we've, we've raided both the teams. My, as I said, the core within team, we have cleared normal. Did that one night, right? No, it was the second week that we cleared it.

36:12Oh, okay. Well, you guys ripped through that for some reason. I don't know why. Yeah, it took us two weeks. Both the raid teams that are in the race to core first competition that the core guild has, both of us, only two, two guilds are competing this time. Usually three, right? I think there's been four before, but usually three. Yeah. So what happened to other ones just by, there's some of them are listening to this. You guys just baby out what happened? You wienies? No, I don't know. I think there were some, there were some, and I don't actually know. I'm speculating because I don't keep up, keep up very well with like the guild politics. Politics is the wrong word, but for lack of a better word, guild politics. But a guild drama, I know that, I guess, I, because, and I, again, drama has sort of a pejorative feel to it. Like drama is probably the correct word, but I don't mean it in a negative way. Like snub. It's like that. Yeah.

37:12Right. Yeah, you know, a bunch of snowflakes. And I don't mean that in a negative way. No, I don't mean it in a bad way because snow is awesome, man. You go skiing in it. But, but I think there are just some bad people weren't feeling good about the, the competitive nature of that, that everybody just felt compelled to do because all the raid teams were just by default thrown into this. Yeah. It started out very friendly. Like, hey, let's all do this. And then I, and then some people, yeah. And it did, I think it got a little weird for some people and some of the teams. And, and so some people were really enjoying it. I, I, I really like the competition. It's fun. I don't take it personally or anything like that. I like competing and I, and I get like, in general, my attitude is I'm a very like lighthearted, friendly, competitive, natured person. I would have liked to, I like to trash talk and I like to, you know, but it's all for show. I don't really care. Yeah. If you lose, it's fine, right?

38:13Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the core within Guild, we didn't win in the last season. And I was like, you know, congratulations to the people who won because whatever, you know, we're still having fun. But anyway, I think the idea was a lot of people really enjoyed doing it, but a lot of people didn't. So they just changed how it works. And basically the teams have to agree to opt, you opt in to the, to the race. And only two of the teams decided to do it this time. Our team and who's the other team? I want to, I want to mention them. So, oh, I used to know them all by heart. No, my mom now all takes us missing a couple of seasons and you're like, oh, shit, who would, who would, here it is. It's the, oh, shrimp shack. That's right. The shrimp shack shooters. Yeah, I love that. I love that team name. Yeah, that's good. Well, the other one though, I was a little bit more like self deprecating name. Wasn't it? The other guys who were always up our butt. Yeah, it was a very competitive race.

39:15Yeah. But if you're, if your guild can handle it, I recommend it because it's fun. But if it gets too hairy, then, you know, I don't know, then I think about, guild, we do it all big too. Like, like, we have special badges that are designed by core guild members to be like, if you, if you get the, if you win, if you get AOTC first, because that's, that's the race. It's not mythic. You're not clearing mythic. Whoever gets AOTC first. Right. But you get like a special badge next to your name saying for that season, that's specially designed for that season, saying, hey, you got it. And anyway, core within, we've cleared normal. Shrimp shack didn't their one boss down, but they have a habit of doing something, which is they'll probably do it this time too. I'm guessing last season, they didn't clear the final boss on normal.

40:15And they got up to the final boss and went ahead and started heroic at that point. What are we? What are you? What's the? Well, the, I mean, the rules are whoever clears heroic first. So it's totally within the rules, but it's, uh, it's, you know, you know, I don't want to say that we are technically ahead, even though we are time to amend the guild constitution is what it sounds like to me. You got to know, it's, it's a strategy, right? Like, can your team get anything from the last boss on normal? Like, presumably you're clearing normal to learn the fights and to get gear to prepare you for heroic. If you don't need all the bosses on normal, then why do it? Yeah. The goal is to clear heroic. So I think it's totally fine. It's legitimate, totally legitimate. I got you know what? I'll just go ahead and agree because it sounds like that's it. Everybody else has settled on. But you could make a rule. It just says you got to do everything on normal. Then heroic, you could do that. You could, but I don't think it's necessary. It's, it's, if you're clearing heroic, if you, if you skip normal entirely and just

41:20go straight into heroic and clear it, you, you deserve. The win. Yeah. You know, you should get something. Yeah. So anyway, so heroic starts tonight though, right? Yeah. So we're starting core within and I, this week, both the teams I'm guessing are going to be starting heroic. So, so the race really kind of starts to heat up now. Anyone streaming that these days? If anyone wants to watch, I don't know. I did a little bit. I don't think I know how to stream anymore. So I've forgotten all about it. If anyone in that group is, let us know in the discord. We'll spread it around and be fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. If you're on, if you're in the core, uh, discord, then, um, then I'm sure, or the core within guild, dis, not core within the core guild discord. For within is the name of our team. Disca, discord.dg slash core guild is my understanding. Right. Right. Yeah. I think they're probably, probably people stream it on discord, for sure.

42:20Oh, yeah. Um, but I don't know about Twitter, YouTube or anything. Does, does Tanner make you do like, you know how coaches have game video? And then they make the, the players a rewatch game video to see where they're eff and up and how they got us. No, no, no. He's, he's really good at reviewing all that stuff himself and coming up with the strategies and everything. Um, that we're going to follow. And he's, he, he's a, he, he definitely, he like, this is the way we're doing it. And you're going to do it this way. Yep. And he says it with like a certain kind of resolve that's hard to argue with. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, and, and what's great about Tanner is you know, it's not just him on a power trip. It's, he's done the research. Yep. He's, trust it. He looked at our blogs. He has analyzed how well we've done. He's looked at the strategies. He's thought about the team composition for that week. He's done it all. He's, he's, he's the coach. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He's there for, he's, he's got, he's on the, the white board with the X's in

43:22the O's and figuring it out. Right. And he's decided this is how we're going to do it. And it typically works. Um, so we, we trust him. Tanner's a good raid leader. We like him. He's also a really nice guy. So, yeah, even when he gets to turn, I know I'm making him sound like a huge A hole. But, uh, well, even when he gets stern, I think he's, he's not like I said, he's quietly disappointed that your DPS is not high enough. Yeah. Now, I, what are you, where are you? I level wise. I see three oh nine here. Is that current? Yeah. I'm, I level three oh nine. And I haven't, um, I haven't used any of my crests in the, in the past week to upgrade any of my gear. So it's probably more like three, 10 or 311. But, um, so what I'm seeing, I saw something on wild. I had this as the current max is now with this new season six 71 or six 78 or something if you're max upgraded. I see. No, there's no way I can't be right. You're reading something incorrect. That can't be right, right? No, it's three something. Yeah, it can't be six. This is aft. Yeah.

44:23All right. You're, you're, you're, your internet, your Google is in, is in like 20, 17 motor. I'm giving you. Yeah, these haven't been squished yet. I'm seeing, I think I'm just seeing a forum post and the guy in here has it wrong. Okay. Well, that makes sense. But you, uh, listen, I have no doubt that wherever you're at is the right place to be. That I know. Yeah. And my mythic. So I've, I've also been doing mythic plus, of course, I got a keystone master achievement, which is to get 2000 mythic plus rating. That's not too hard. The next level is 3000, which is keystone legend, I think. So I'm going to push for that. Will I go to 3400, which is the maximum one keystone, something or other keystone, the best? Um, I don't know. I'm at 22,499 rating right now, which isn't particularly high. Um, it's for people who are really like into mythic plus, it's definitely not particularly high.

45:23Um, but, uh, um, I've, you know, I'm kind of taking it easy this season because I'm starting a new job. I've got school started here, all this kind of stuff. So yeah, so do you get that end up getting that school gig? I have, um, I have, I am, I've been given my new higher orientation date next week. I'm going to be teaching a science lab at an elementary school. This is awesome. For those that don't know, Bobby's also a science podcaster and this is like up his butt, man. Yeah, it's probably a better way to say that. This is up your alley. There you go. Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to talk about elementary schools in, in, but, um, no, the, uh, but, uh, the, um, there are a lot of schools will have what, what I've basically tried to create because our school, our elementary school that my kids went to, um, didn't have this. I will be the first one to have this position, but it's a lot of elementary schools will have

46:25a science lab teacher and they work closely with the, um, the, what you call it, the, the classroom teachers on working for, working at, who's calling important call for the principal, Mr. Frank and burger, we regret to tell you that you're, you need to shave that head before you can mention elementary schools and butts in the same stream. You're fired. You're out. Yeah. The science of being fired. Yeah. The, uh, so, so I work with it. I'll be working with the teachers and doing, like, like, some labs that are supplementary to, um, what they're learning in the classroom that are aligned with the science standards and all that kind of stuff. The cool thing is a lot of these schools that do that. This is the point I was getting at and why I'm excited. A lot of the schools that, uh, do this, they kind of focus on second, third grade, end up through fifth grade or whatever. Um, I guess the sense is that first graders and kindergartners are too young, but I'm going to be doing work with kindergarten through fifth grade.

47:27And that's what I'm excited about because I do firmly strongly believe that kindergartners can be taught a science foundation just as easily as, and should be. I think it should be and should be start them early, man. Yeah. Let's get back to those, uh, that's a complete view of what's going on with Bobby this week. Yeah. And you're a busy guy. So the point is that you've, I think you've accomplished a great many things in world of work craft. Despite all the other crap you got going on in your life. So, uh, I guess well done on that front. Um, all right, guys, what have you done in world of work craft this week? Nothing. I did jack. Actually, I guess I've, um, what, anything, I got to reinstall on the PC. I play it on that's a, that's, that takes, that takes some takes a little time. Yeah. I'm not really though, because I have a fiber now. So it's really fast. So I don't know, you know, nothing really. I got nothing done. And honestly, it's a little, you clicked install on battlenet and walked away. That's really when I restarted my sub and I went, you know, we're, we're back to the, you know, we came into this new phase or this, this phase of

48:29episodes going, you know, Scott's not even sure he wants to get, get back in and Bobby's in no matter what. So what's this going to be like? So just talking about some, maybe want to like, you know, do things. But then part of me is like, uh, this late in the expansion, do I really want to try to pick the rope up and do that again? Do I do it again? Or do I wait for the next big thing or is somehow Blizzcon going to be responsible for the, for the inspiration I need? I don't know. I don't know. It could be what do we think is going to speak of Blizzcon? What do we think is going to be? All right. So I wanted to ask you this. This is what I wanted to ask you when we talked this week was, um, you are more I think plugged into like the rumors and the scuttlebutt and, um, Sure. And what people are thinking about is coming. What are we? What are we? What are people expecting to be set? That happened to happen other than like talking about what the last Titan is going to look like. Sure. We expect that. The way we expect that. I think last Titan will get a big showcase for sure.

49:32Yeah. Um, who will do that? Well, uh, how that'll be presented. I don't know yet. Usually that's a thing I can guess pretty confidently, but not this time because it's just, I don't know, things are different this year. But, um, you'll get that for sure. In the key art, there's often like a lot of freak out about old and the key art. There's a little slot over there that's not filled. What's going on there? Is there a new game getting announced or whatever? Most everybody thinks this is a big year for StarCraft, the IP in general. Really? Why do people think that? Well, there are two reasons because I've heard you say that a couple times on core, but why do people think that? So there's two reasons. One, there were, there was some unearthed paperwork about next on the Korean based publisher developer getting the contract to third party develop. StarCraft three, a proper RTS StarCraft game. Wow. Okay. Whether that gets announced or not is still up in the air, but that seems like that's happening. They got whatever the bid was and they're going to do that.

50:34And they're not, this meaning they're not going to build this internally in, in Anaheim or in, um, uh, it blizzard on Blizzard campus. However, that would be very closely worked on with Blizzard, that's how the, how they work with things like this. Um, but keep in mind, like the oboe two and one for that matter, we're not developed at Blizzard. They were developed at Blizzard North. It was a totally different office. It was a different developer. Blizzard essentially. Right. This is how video games work. How the world of video games get developed. So people shouldn't get weird about that. I don't think, um, it's kind of a normal thing to do and we'll see. So that's one aspect of StarCraft, I think is, is, is happening, whether we hear about an announcement or not, who knows. But it seems very likely that there's a big old hole for a StarCraft, something announcement beyond that. And the indicators are the key arts missing a big, honking thing in the middle of it, we're trying to figure out what that is. Very persistent rumors that they finally, finally settled on a shooter based in the StarCraft universe.

51:35I don't know if that means third person, first person squad base multiplayer, only single player. We don't know. We don't know any of those things. But the long awaited many times project canceled trek to getting a shooter in that universe looks like that's probably going to happen. My personal prediction is that you and I are going to see that next Friday, Saturday. That would be, that would be big because that's, that's what people, people waiting for that for because they were working on it and then it got canned. Yeah. They had one that was like battlefield levels of, uh, kind of game. Yeah. And I got canceled and that is, that was like last straw for, oh, who worked on StarCraft and then the heroes lead and then he was lead on that. Can't think of his name. Anyway, he, he bolted and they started a new studio right after that. They were very upset about that because that apparently was kind of deep into development, even though it was never, never announced. This is probably the fine. We're finally getting here something on that front.

52:37Um, yeah. The other reason is if you go to StarCraft.com right now, I'll do that and show people. And I will also do that and show myself the website is glitching out. Uh, on purpose, uh, it's, you'll see some to see a little on purpose. You see some glitchy lights and whatnot because typically this type of glitching that you see is not some websites don't, no, this doesn't fit with any like web based problems. Like you're literally changing the brightness of the back and like there's things going on here that are, and it's across the site. Um, there are a couple of places where let's see if I can get to do like last night. Yeah. If you click on races and I click on tarant, for example, we'll see how long it takes for this to happen. Last night, it did it real quick. So they may have tweaked, uh, they tweaked it. Didn't they? All right. We'll try it again. It works with Zerg too. But what happens is this page will, well, sometimes flip out and behind it with some heroes of the storm art, which some people are like, well, they're

53:39going to do hero shit. I can't believe it. I don't think so. I think this is like they just had that back there. I don't think it's cashed or I don't think it's something from another site. I think I think I think sometimes people over like over, I don't want to say overthink it because this is all overthinking, right? Like, yeah. But I think sometimes people overestimate like, like how much, how intentional every little thing is. Sometimes you're just doing, you just want a glitchy effect and you're just going to grab some art assets that you happen to have. Yeah. They also have the same thing find it. Here it is. This is something on Reddit where these were seen either in like some of the glitches. You briefly see these messages and it's like sensor feed 7400. You said, first it looked like kind of code, but then it's like a message and it's a,

54:40let's say blood pressure, heart rate, respiratory rate. It's talking about somebody's deal and some of it's redacted. And then they got this whole other thing, which is like a letter and email electronic community K about head into the rock Sarah system and sending a freighter full of a squadron of what is it? The theta squadrons on its way arrival protocol zip that soup, right? All this silliness. They're doing something. Yeah. That certainly is intentional. Oh, without a doubt. If that if that's in there, without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah. And I and the glitches for sure too, just I have enough web dev knowledge to know that this stuff doesn't just suddenly start happening. If it was a real issue and some of that stuff is very artistically glitched. So yeah. Web pages, web pages aren't in your web browser because they're being beamed to your web browser from a satellite or something. You know, like these glitz, that's not why these. Yeah. It's not going to glitch like that. Exactly. And if you do the point being like we're the point being that obviously they're

55:43glitching it to be a tease of some kind. Yeah. They're being dorks and that's cool. Yeah. I was trying to find that you can actually do. You can look at the dev window and just see all this stuff underneath it yourself. But I'm not, I'm, I forgot how to do it on here. It's a commande. No. Well, anyone control shift I on Chrome shift. I have what is it for Firefox? Does anyone know? I don't know. It's like whatever. Do people use Firefox? Yeah, I do. I love Firefox. I've been using it forever though. So I'm kind of stuck in it. But anyway, the point is this is all, and this is like the StarCraft free master's site. But it's kind of like anything else they have on here. Like it's all flipping out. And people, people are pretty sure that this confirms that we'll get some kind of StarCraft big announcement on stage. It's either three, like mentioned before, which is already rumored or it's this mythical shooter thing.

56:44Or some of us like to dream that they'd make a universe of StarCraft MMO. Finally, and it would be this amazing. I have to say that I don't, I hope it's not that. I don't think it's going to be that at all for a ton of reasons. Some of them are business oriented. Some of them are just you, you could go this long without leaking something. Like there's a million reasons why that's not going to be true. But there's a little part of me that's like, hell, yeah, I'd play the shit out of that into my eyes. Yeah, but you know, I would play it for like a month. I don't know, man. I mean, if it's got the Blizzard sauce, like you just, you just don't want to do the sci-fi things. What are you saying? No, no, no. If we're being honest, so if you want to know truly what it is, if everyone in my, if everyone that I play video, that I play World of Warcraft with all decided everyone just decided, hey, we're going to go play, um, we're going to go play the older Republic now. That's where I'd go because you want to do that.

57:46That's the reason that's, yeah, that's the reason because I wouldn't be playing World of Warcraft if it wasn't for playing with my friend. I've sound like a, I sound like a promotional video for Blizzard right now. You know, like, it's, I wouldn't be playing this game if it wasn't for my friends, you know, but it's true. It's true. That's why I play that, that's why I continue to play the game is because I play with people that I like playing with. Yeah. And rightly so. Oh, it's F12. Thank you, chat. Sorry. I found it. Got still breaking the rules. A little bit stout. I could go through here and really learn it, but I don't want to. It's cool. So Starcraft would be fun. And if everybody who decided to, to play it for a while, I would, I would jump on and play it as well if it was an MMO. But if it's as good, but if it's as good as anything Blizzard's ever made, it's a very good chance. And this is one of the reasons I think they'd never do it. It would destroy their base. Well, yeah, wow. And why would they want to do that? It's a zero sum game when it comes to MMOs. I think, yeah, I think you have to think of it that way because people's time is,

58:47it's a zero sum game, right? Yeah. And MMOs, almost by definition, are time syncs. They suck your time. So I, and I, this is not like revelatory insight that I'm giving right now. Like certainly they are thinking the same thing. Like, well, if, and maybe one day they would make a Starcraft MMO once they've decided world or craft, nobody's playing it anymore. Nobody like cares about this game anymore. Let's get all these wild players back by doing a Starcraft MMO. You know, that's when I could see that or a Diablo MMO. That's how, when I see them making an MMO in one of those properties is, but not to run concurrently because they would be splitting their, they, they, they, it would be at the very least they'd be making the same amount of money for twice the development. And maybe a little, there'd be a very small sliver of overlap of people who'd played at the same time and that wouldn't be enough money to probably justify an entire

59:51video game having to maintain MMOs require a ton, a ton of upkeep. Yeah. And it's what killed Titan. Titan was an MMO before it became Overwatch. Titan was a game that was going to be a big massively multiplayer thing. The bank, the idea they had there that they were banking on was that because it was so radically different than the fundamental way that World of Warcraft played. It was going to be from a shooter, first person shooter perspective. It was going to be this wildly different setting, very different engine. Like everything about it was going to be so different that you could justify and say, well, this is a totally different experience. Therefore, it's not, it's not going to cut into those numbers. And I think in the end, the powers that, that were there, some, some still vehement, vehemently, vehemently, vehemently, vehemently, disagree with them and think it was a mistake to cancel it. But I think they canceled it for those reasons. Everything you just say, it's just cannibalistic, right? And how, how Guild Wars 3 is going to manage that is going to be fascinating

1:00:54because Guild Wars Guild Wars is a really good game. And Guild Wars 2 is a fantastic MMO. And what they showed of 3 looks really, really cool and impressive. And I think they just think differently. So they're, they're going for this. That game is deep into development. So it's not like they're turning back or canceling. I think, I think that's going to be the one to watch to see if this can be done because no one else wants to try it. Right. Not very hard anyway. Like we've, we've seen failures at this before. What was it? What was the, oh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, aete-cavardle, aete-cavardle, aete-cavardle, aete-cavardle early. Like moments just over. That's what I was talking about. Like time, season nine days. Let's go straight to ocean level. Either way, season five months ago,

1:01:55season nine days ago. ae, a, ae. like. ae. ae. ae. It looks like ass, but it's there. And so everybody got in, checked it out, and then went back to Ashron's call one, and Ashron's call two got canceled way before Ashron's call one everyone away. So I think that what you say is exactly why we won't see a NMO, that's not gonna happen. But so to my original question, are there any rumors about what we're gonna see with World of Warcraft? No other than most are expecting last Titan, obviously big details, right? Like what's the theme or we kinda know the theme, but what's the, which is the reason that I'll be watching is cause I wanna see that kind of stuff. Yeah, we're gonna find all that out, but I don't think there's supposed to be anything groundbreaking. The one thing could be interesting, there's a lot of talk from, how do we put this without getting in trouble? I have a friend at Microsoft, not at,

1:02:55I have friends at Blizzard, but I have a friend at Microsoft who believes that all, now you know what to hear, I was trying to skip around everything including gender, but anyway, he believes, he's narrowed it down to the half of the people. I narrowed it down to 90% of the workforce that Microsoft had, unfortunately. Anyway, they believe, he believes that Blizzard is going to hunker down on more Warcraft IP based games. Meaning, things like last week, we talked about what would a single player Warcraft game look like to somebody? We asked that question. Things like that, not mobile games or little free spin outs with pre-to-place, not like that, but like actual products within that universe, in the way that you see, what's an example of somebody who does that well, I guess. I mean, but that is just sort of, not really though, like Elder Scrolls, they have an MMO, they have mainline games they have.

1:03:57Yeah, I came the other way around though. Yeah, it's a single player. I can't really think of a good example of this, but it's their money maker. It's the thing that makes the money the most money. It's an IP that everybody loves, and so now that they're with Microsoft, who have a ton of money, presumably, I don't know anything about that. I don't see their balance sheets. They're one of the largest companies in the world and they have a market cap in the trillions, I think. Presumably, I would guess that they have, whether or not they want to do this is a different question, but they have the capability to experiment with things and be like, you know what, let's see, maybe people would like a single player, work craft universe experience, maybe people would like, another real time strategy, work craft, you know. Oh man, I wouldn't mind hearing about that. I mean, I, actually, I don't really like three that much.

1:04:58I like the story of three, because three led into, wow, so well. But I don't like mechanically, I'm not a big three guy. I don't like the hero thing. That's a bomb drop. It is a bit of a bomb drop. I've said it before, but I don't, Starcraft's my jam. Starcraft's my jam. Before three, work craft was amazing. Three introduced the hero character in the XP system, and leveling up your hero, especially multiplayer stuff, and that meant doing moba style stuff where you'd have to go, you know, before moba existed. So it's an early example of this, but go into a cova trees, find three big warmer locks, and then you got a kill him and get XP, and you know, to compete, you got a strength in your hero. I didn't like that. I was like, I'm not, I'm not all about the macro here. Give me the, give me the tons of units coming over the hill, and you know, I want that war craft, that Starcraft vibe. So for me, I didn't like it. Because of, because it was not fun for you to play against other people. Yes, and that is primarily why I was in RTS's at the time. It was all, yeah. That explains the difference, I guess,

1:06:00because I could see Starcraft, I think, is a better game competitively with other people. And, but I liked, I always, I liked playing work craft three single player. I thought it was a really fun experience. Yeah, the, the campaign's amazing. Like, don't get me wrong. I loved that. But when it came to me and those office parties I was having, I hated playing it. I did not enjoy it. However, a Mal- Mal- A Mal- And the chat says, Riot had it going on with other studios for a while. So this is an interesting idea. And maybe this thing with Starcraft 3 going to Nexon is a... So we're just moving on to talking to the chat now. You've just given up on that. You know what? Let's talk to the chat for a second. Let's, what you, Mumez, we'll do it. Because this fits. They, Riot was trying to make everything connected to League of Legends for a while there. They had like an initiative, they had an MMO and in production, they had, I think, two single player RPGs came out. One was a turn-based thing that was kind of 2D, but you ran around a 3D world, but the fighting was kind of JRPG style.

1:07:01Forgot it was called. Ruin King was that it? It was good. Yeah. It was a good game. They did the show, Arcane. Like they went nuts. The fighting game. But now they're shutting the fighting game down. The MMO is on permanent hiatus of the fur development. They're not going to, I don't think it ever sees the light of day. It's the one Greg Street worked on before he left there. Yeah. And no new other titles have been announced. So you have, if you're Blizzard, you have to be watching what Riot just went through and said that we really want to make a bunch of IP stuff and work craft and have hardly any of it hit. You know what I mean? Like, I can't help but think they have to watch those lessons and pay attention to them. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know to make it up. Let's get to what the chat has to say. Chat, put your questions, form them into the form of questions. Perhaps you could tell us what you would do, what you would want, a single player world of work craft experience to be able to do.

1:08:01Yeah. What do you want it to be? We wanted to talk about that. Yeah. Big, open world skyrim style experience, something smaller. Yeah. I don't know. Like what are your ideas? Because it clearly blizzard struggles to find the right place. That's what I would want. Because I'm a single player, sort of skyrim experience, I would love that. Oh my gosh. I would lose myself. Take my money, meme all day. Like that's what would happen. Yeah. That's all I'd want. It's all I'd want. If they may, okay, so way back in the 90s, they had late 90s. Yeah. Was before the odds. They started development on and got pretty far with and then canceled a point and click adventure game set in the work craft universe. And it was like a throw. The story of throw growing up and all the stuff he went through is basically throw story in a point and click adventure. And they canceled it famously and you can find this thing. It's actually a really pre alpha build and jenky is all hell and back, but it works and

1:09:06you can actually kind of get a taste for what they were trying to make. Man, I would have been into that. I was so into point and clicks and I thought that is going to be cool. I wouldn't mind it if they could just do. It's okay to do some smaller stuff. Like do that. Do a vampire survivors like where it's set in the work craft universe. And you'd be cool. Pull the camera way out and have thrall spinning around and shooting shit and trying to survive and roguelike it up. Like you don't need to be really fun. You have enough. You have enough like like hero type characters in world of work craft to make a good like survivors like type game. You know, like where you got illidan spinning around shooting warglaves all over the place. Yeah. And just going to go in and shoot and ice beams and our game bolts everywhere. See the heroes are already there to get and the lock them in and you can make it. You could even go super stylized and make it pixily or whatever you want to do. People do this all the time.

1:10:06Yeah. I would I would pay as much as $20 for that. I would too. And you know what people pay for those right now like five to eight. So the fact they were willing to spend 20 that should make blizzard go. Oh, then we can overcharge for a thing that everybody else because it's blizzard because the sauce is there. Like these are these all have potential. And this is something John on course been saying forever, which is just make stuff like make make fun games. Don't be afraid to make a small thing and make it work. I mean, hearthstone started that way and was a big success for them. I don't know how it's doing these days, but it was a, you know, it was a big deal for a minute there. Oh, I got nine X at something I thought was really interesting just in generally said. I'd like to see a single play, Warcraft where it's an RTS where you can click on a troupe and then go into its third person mode or from its third person mode and you can go into first person and fight it until it's dead. So there are some games like that. Are there there are that's a cool idea that's been a long I feel like that's been like this weird holy grail idea of how do we how do we marry the two genres in a way that

1:11:10you are in God mode and you're sending your armies and you're doing your thing, but then also you're like, all right, I don't want to be that marine for the next 10 minutes because I'm going to really turn this war over there on this bridge he's fighting on. Yeah. Yeah. Like there is something really attractive about that, but every attempt I've ever played felt wrong somehow Blizzard might be able to pull that off. So I like that one. That's a good one. And they have so much, you know, history with multiplayer and what strategy and tactics and that sort of thing. So it would be the way I see a game like that failing is is making it completely optional, right? Right. Or maybe not. Maybe you want it to be consequential sometimes or maybe the trick is to have a come, you know how like a starcraft in the campaign, you'll have some missions where you're you've got the whole battlefield and you're doing all the RTS stuff, but then some missions you're taking Rainer and just Rainer through some spaceship or something like that.

1:12:10Maybe that's the way you do it in those missions. You take control of the person in first person mode and it is consequential, but in like a regular battle, you can be the marine and but he's not. What I wouldn't want them to do is once you become the marine, you're somehow able to use this single marine to completely turn the the tide of a battle because I feel like that would be too unreq and you just want to play the RTS in first person mode all the time. Yeah. You would. And there's certain players that are never want to be in the more methodic strategy mode and some players who never want to be in the twitchy shooter mode phase. And there's something that would just want to be driving a tank, a siege tank the whole time. Like there's going to be problems. That's why the shooter, the shooter they were working on that was like, there was a little bit like battlefield. I wanted to see that because essentially you got to be whatever you want today. You do sure it's basic. It's still a shooter at its core, but you got to be the kind of shooting like in battlefield. I can fly the helicopter and have five guys with me.

1:13:10Yeah. And I'm mostly just flying, maybe a little strafing runs or whatever, or I'm the jet fighter and I'm dropping payloads or I'm on the ground healing dudes. Whatever your play style is, they kind of have options for you. Something like that would be great in this IP that we love, right? The problem is Warcraft is as much as there's lots of stuff to do in that game that's very action oriented, it's still a very story driven thing. Yeah. It'd be tricky. Starcraft makes sense to me. It's like, pew pew pew. Well, let's go. Yeah. That makes perfect sense to me. Another one in here I liked is Salamander Falle says he's on the YouTube chat. He said, I like a single player game, like freelance or meets mass effect two and three. Yeah. Yeah. Like, again, more, I would, and he's probably talking about Starcraft there, but a little harder or trickier to do with Warcraft, but Warcraft could do all sorts of fun stuff with

1:14:13like a small group of four character types, you know, think Dragon Age when it was good. Yeah. That would be cool. That would be cool. Like a Witcher style game, even that would be fun. Yeah. Dr. Tolbert says a lower game in the style of black and white. That's interesting. Oh, yeah. Tolbert also said something that made me think of something else, but he said Power Wash Simulators or Gates, which would be pretty gross. I mean, they could do that now. They could cross over it because they just did a Star Wars one. They could totally do that. But it made me think an actual chore-core style game that could be fun or just a simulator style game would be, could be a Zeppelin pilot simulator. Oh, that would be pretty fun. You know, I like the War, the chore-core is I would actually wouldn't mind running the Goblin Blimp System, you know, Azeroth Blimp Manager. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you have to like set up different, like Zeppelin operations over here.

1:15:17Like, oh, you've earned enough money. Now you open up another Zeppelin tower outside of Warcraft. You know, I've worked with Wargermar and... Yeah. Every once in a while, some of my favorites are those are when a small indie game or somebody will do a thing where they'll flip the script and go, the adventurers are out doing adventure-y things. You run this shop that sells equipment, gear, magic, junk like that. And then they get off, they come home with things, they can sell, you can decide, oh, I'm going to buy this thing he found while he was out there or sell him a better sword for his next thing. There's something about that that is always appealed to me. It's just like a flip and script. Yeah, like the world of Inkeeper. Yeah. I wouldn't mind that in the Warcraft universe. And there's a couple of those being worked on. I know there's one right now being worked on that's in the Lord of the Rings universe that is exactly what I just described. Yeah. And then adventurers come in and they want to set their heartstone with you and you have like a whole mini game that you have to do to link their heartstone to your in.

1:16:21Yeah. I'm into this. This is a great idea. The thing is some of these things, I look, Blizzard's a big company with long history. I guarantee they've been sitting in some of these boardrooms sometimes and these ideas have been floated. I bet you you're right. Like, they have these kinds of meetings for you. Yeah. And some of them turn into a mode in the game. Like they never forget they made a freaking battle royale game with wow, what would they call that? Anyway, were you ran around basically? It was because it was Fortnite in wow. They bring it back every once in a while. Yeah, it comes in, it rotates with the thing they do with like classic and stuff. But that's them going, well, we could make a whole game or we'll do this mode and see how it goes. And I think sometimes the seeing how it goes is giving them results that may not be indicative of if they made a whole game. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Because then you just start thinking, well, that's just a mod. What do I care?

1:17:21They did plants versus zombies in World of Warcraft. I remember that. They did. They did. Do you remember when they when they allowed those pop cap flight mods where when you flew, you could play a pebble? Oh, it was pebble or something. Yeah, pebble and the jeweled both. And I did that, dude. I played pebble all day in there. I thought that was a really fun thing. Then they then there were some lawsuit or some weird thing happened. They pull it out. But anyway, the point is like there are many opportunities. Here's one I'm sure they've talked about. I would personally love Quesong. Have you say your name? Nagi. Kira's song, Nagi says, a heroes of might and magic, magic could be cool or an XCOM like Starcraft. Yeah. So the heroes of might magic series, one of my favorites, they're remaking it. Never played it. Oh, three is so good, dude. When they make that remake of three, you really should look at that. I think you'd like it. I will. I promise. Okay, good. Are they actually making a remake? They are. They announced it.

1:18:22They announced it. Okay. I promise something accidentally. I thought you're no for real. They showed it. They showed it. They showed it. They showed it. The game's common looks really good. All of the game in the series have been good. It's three was exceptional. And so they're remaking it. That would be cool XCOM style. I've been playing zero company in the new Star Wars one. Yeah, I've been way into zero company. I would love one in the World Craft universe somehow. Hell yeah. Starcraft seems like the easy answer, but I think World Craft is ripe for a tactics game. Yeah, you've got ranged melee tanks, healers. You've got the whole range of people in a squad. It fits right in, right? You have instead of a squad of four, you could have a squad of five and you could just the the the the the the ideas that it's a bunch of adventures going to do a dungeon or something. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm all in on this one. Signing up on that. Yeah. We've got another one here from Booge 731 who says, and over the shoulder, Dark Siders type game starring Illidan, who could voice it though? Well, I think Liam would be happy to voice it. Who could voice it?

1:19:22I think that's a sarcastic question. Yeah. I don't think anyone gets to voice it, but Liam. Like how how would you do that to the poor guy? He would get three fourths of the way through development. Liam would say, I'm too busy and they would say scrap it. Liam's out. We're out. I love it. Oh, Jerry's got a good one. Thousand needles version of peak where, you know, in the four of you're trying to get up these hills and cliffs and shit and proximity multiplayer voice stuff. I mean, look, obviously they're not going to make that, but why not? Like, I've never even heard of peak. Is that like ice climbers or something? Well, no, you know what? It peaks like they call it friend slop now. I don't think it's exactly fair, but these games that keep coming out for four players, usually on steam and it's you, you all have voice access. It's sometimes it's kind of horror based or space based and you got to run around and do shit and not die and laugh at each other while it's happening. It's one of those games, but you're climbing. So peak is that like phasmophobia?

1:20:24Would that qualify? Yes. There you go. I would argue phasmophobia started the whole trend, actually. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. That's fun game. Let's see. What else? Oh, I like salamander falls. I think a banner saga style Starcraft game would be good. Warcraft 2 would be good and that's thing. Banner saga is awesome underrated. Let's see. Arcontina. What is Arcontina? Arcontina? Arcontina. The, the, the, the, the new feature that was in midnight where you can go to the go to, instead of feature, I didn't use it all because I don't remember the name. Or maybe it was, I think it was midnight. It was when it was introduced. I don't think it was the previous one. It's like a place that you can go that no one ever goes to anymore, but was really cool for like a week or two. I should have. Oh, that. I did that. Yeah. And then I never went back. And then I would never went back. Yeah. I, you know what I was impressed. I thought it was neat, but I just, it is neat. Yeah.

1:21:25Yeah. Maybe, maybe people do that. I'm not speaking out of turn, but I'm, I forgot about that. Yeah. But he says cooking mama. That should be a cooking mom again. I'm looking. That would be great. I'm into it. I'm into it. Uh, team money, MKE with the win here. He said, I'd love to play a game where you make sure the turtles make it safely to the water. Uh, yeah. I would play that. We had that game. It was called, uh, rule of the work craft and the expansion. Which expansion was that though? Is that battle for Azeroth? I think it was. It's a getting turtle. Oh, you made the turtle get to the water safely. The old lady would say. Anyway, uh, let's see. Any others jump out here? Teddy's Haven on steam has a pretty wild look to the fantasy shop simulator game. Yeah. See a lot of those. Azeroth racing could be interesting. Solo single player, solo player, breath of the wild style game in the wild universe. More organic and emerging gameplay. Less checklist questing. I missed the way Azeroth felt huge and exploring was fun.

1:22:28Yeah. I agree with, especially the second half of that. Um, yeah. That would be a cool way to make the world seem big again. I mean, but that, to me, that's, that's in line with what I, the reason why I would love like a, like a, um, a Skyrim style, wild game. Yeah. Yeah. It seems, seems, seems like I think a lot of players would agree with you on that. You and, uh, Salamander Falls or whoever said it. Certainly. Certainly. This is something that gets brought up all the time over there is whether or not they could figure out how to make some sort of single player RPG, Allah Skyrim or breath of the wild. Certainly that's been brought up many times. And I would, I would be really curious to hear what the reasoning for not doing it is. Um, I'm sure they're good reasons. I, I don't like to assume that that they're just dumb reasons. Um, they might be really interesting for all we know. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I'm sure they've thought about it.

1:23:29And so I'd be curious why, why they haven't. Uh, we have an email I put in here earlier that I think is worth reading before we close things down here today. This is from Justin, uh, who says, Hey, Scott, love the new format with Bobby. I've recently been listening to the earliest episodes of the instance for nostalgia sake. And would absolutely love to hear you listening to the super old episodes and have your directors commentary on, uh, from nowadays throughout it. I think it would be super entertaining to hear your take on the old episodes and maybe some behind the scenes stuff to make you remember. Dude, here's the biggest problem I would have. I will give you an example. I'm actually going to bring up an old episode. All right. It'll be random. I'll just pick one that random here. Let's go with in the instance. Can I guess what the problem is? Uh, yeah. You know what? Guess it. The problem is that to you, all you would hear is Scott Johnson sounding like this. Yeah. I'm Scott Johnson. I was naazily sent. I don't think I sounded very good like 15 years ago. That's all I'm saying. That's how we all feel.

1:24:30Yeah. Nobody's. And nobody, it's not the, I don't know, it's just hearing myself for that much time would probably drive me nuts. But here's an example. But we all want to hear it now. I'll play this one. We'll see what we got. It's back in World of Warcraft podcast. So you don't have to. All right. There you go. This is the instance. Is that pleasure? Yeah, it's pleasure. And then we had some guitar guys in that end. A long time ago. By the way, this is episode 120 here. This episode of the instance is brought to you. I'm going to stick to that. I'm going to stick to that. I never wrote it. They were firing out into the bay itself. Randy sounds exactly this. Yeah. I know. I know. The taxi course area. I'm going to skip it. You all do. There's no doubt. In fact, I just give me some Scott talk and find a way. You'd have some supplemental pet and perhaps it had to be airborne. Who is that? Oh, my God. Seriously, I didn't recognize that was you at first. I had to listen for a second. I hate it. Dude. I freaking hate it.

1:25:32It would be so hard for me to listen to that. Like I, I, I, I, it could be a fun thing and like a one-off. So somebody found an episode and said, Hey, there's this five minute segment where you guys make this prediction and now what do you think? And then a commentary over that. I could do that. But if you're saying just like load up episodes and no way, man, I've just, my cadence has changed. Not just how low my voice is, how I approach it. I've done this for so many hours on so many shows for so long now. It's just I don't have the same voice I used to have. This is different. You know, it would be fun and this would require people to do the work to do it. What would be fun is if, like you said, it would have to be a segment that, a clip that people found that's like no more than like a couple of minutes. Yeah. But it would be something because it'll get old really fast if it's just me and Scott making fun of how this show used to sound. Yeah, it would be fun to talk.

1:26:34We just did it. And guess what? It's not, that's how much fun it would be. And, but if it was that, but the real thing was you found some interesting take that like Scott and Randy had a long time ago or whoever the current co-host at the time was. Some interesting take that they had and you want to hear what our take on is on that thing from back then. That might be it. Yeah, I'd do that. I'd do that. It would take that though. That takes work though. So we won't get as many of those. No. But if someone sends that in, I'd be willing to listen and talk about it on the show. Check this. May 18th, 2006, more than 20 years ago, episode 20. Let's just hear how that sounded. You're listening to the instance. Heal my flesh. Heal my flesh. You sounded like you were trying to do a robot voice. You're my flight. Are you seeing that?

1:27:35We're listening to the instance. Yeah. That's so bad. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the instance. This is instance number two. Hey, everybody. That was the episode that Kermit, the frog, hosted the instance. I freaking hate it. Hey, everybody. Part of it's a mic. Part of it's a mother. Yeah. Part of it is our voices change when we go through puberty. Yeah. I mean, I've gone through a lot since then. So 20 years, man. It's really weird. Anyway, there you go. Thanks for the message, Justin. And thanks, everybody, in the chat, for participating today. Do we have it? Do we want to put it so far that the audience has been a little lackluster and making sure they answer it between episodes? Do we want to give them another tester and say, hey, here's a cool idea. I mean, I guess we can try. Maybe we're not telling them where they can contact us well enough. I can do that. Maybe. So we had people do it while we were gone. For the last two weeks, but not about the subject we asked about, including Justin

1:28:37here. All right. So here's what we'll say. Well, here's our new subject. Let's see how I put this. Oh, I want to know this. This is actually something I want to know. How much time are people spending in housing? Did housing end up being as big a deal as everybody kept saying it was? We begged for it for years. Many players did. Did. And now that we finally have it, we have a really good form of housing. They've updated it, kept it, you know, taking a lot of feedback, added new features, all that. How much time are people really spending in there? Did you hop in and go neat and then never go back? I'm curious about that as well, because I'm also curious how I would love to hear actual numbers. Maybe someone can anonymously, from Blizzard, who's listening, can leak us some actual data anonymously on how much time people are spending in housing. Certainly, it must be. It must be enough for them to justify continuing to work on it, because they are still adding stuff. They plan on making it a permanent fixture of the game and improving it and tweaking it

1:29:39and all that. I don't think their commitment seems legit. I suppose if only five people walked into their house and used it, they would maybe not be doing it, but it's got to be more than that. So I'm just really curious. Like cloned in the chat, his first reaction was a new collectathon for me. You mean that in a good way? I'm not totally sure. I think they do mean that, because a lot of people, that's what they really enjoy. Yeah. Then we got people like Cruddlefish, who says, this is an easy one. I can't stand the idea of housing in wow, so I've never done housing. We're probably going to get answers all over the place, but think about your relationship with housing, send us interesting messages about them, and there are two ways to do it. The instance of gmail.com, that's the email address, or you can go to our website, which is frogpants.com slash instance. On that page, you will find an embedded little thing that lets you send a voicemail or a text. We'll take either. Okay. Yeah. We don't discriminate against your communication methods.

1:30:41We'll do whatever it is you want to do. Except for facts. Yeah, we only want facts. Don't lie to us. If that. No, I mean, that's the communication method that we discriminate against. We have facts. Messages sent to us via facts. Yeah. I was thinking of a CT and how correct they were. Well, that's both. You know what? Both. Yeah. Or both. Maybe eventually we'll get you a facts number. Yeah. I say both and both. I do the same thing, actually. You always say it's a Salt Lake City thing, but I say both. Do you really? Yeah. Dude, I thought of you a bunch because I know you were pretty blown away by the mountains when you're out here. Mm-hmm. When I was in Moab, I went, I bet Bob you would lose his F in mind here. I kept thinking. I spent a little while trying to convince Stephanie that we needed to move to Salt Lake City. Well, you already got friends. Come on, let's go. I think she thought I was joking. No, I understand it. I get it, but it's a beautiful place that no one expects until they come here and they go, what?

1:31:42And then they, it's great. Then they don't want to leave. All right. But I bought also no one, no one believed me. I would like my housing prices and our taxes to stay low and our cost of living, which is already being affected by California people around the pandemic. They all started moving out here and it's paying way too much for houses. Please stop doing that. We're weird. We're so weird. Don't come here. We're just kidding. Salt Lake City sucks. Oh, we're so weird. I hated it while I was there. Yeah. So there's that. All right. So there you have it. I think that's it. That's the show. Patreon.com slash instance is a place you can support the show. Bobby's got the science podcast he does every week. Tell people where they can get that. It's just all around science is the name of the podcast. You can just search it up. Search it up. All around science. You have the internet. Use it. There's lots of frog pants stuff happening as well. So check out frogpants.com. And I think that's going to do it for us. I hope you all have a lovely week in Azeroth. We'll be back next week with more. Bye. Bye.

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