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Is there a gap between our public and private life?
In this episode, Gemma Ryan invites us to consider the hidden life beneath our ministry and leadership. Through the practices of solitude, secrecy, and confession, she explores the narrowing gap between who we are in public and who we are when no one is watching. With honesty and tenderness, she shares deeper questions about our work and activities, calling us away from performance and towards a quieter, humbler life lived before God alone.
This session was held at the Practicing the Way Pastor Conference in Los Angeles, California, in 2026.
To find more resources and experiences tailored just for you—the pastor—visit practicingtheway.org/pastor.
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