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What is Trump’s real objective? And what do European leaders do now, as the reality that the President of the United States is not simply indifferent to their fate, but actively hostile. Trump hasn’t just abandoned Ukraine - he’s actually switched sides and in siding with Russia over the carve up of its territory and mineral wealth, has sealed the coffin lid on what we grew up knowing as The West. Only one man emerges with integrity and understanding of what Trump wants and how to deal with him - President Zelensky of Ukraine. The Matts assess his role in these most extraordinary and turbulent times.
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