The Ethics of Being a himbo - Himbo 101

0:00I'm gonna go him bow. I'm gonna go super dumb. That's what you're into. I'm gonna wear like little daddy shorts talk about sports Okay, I just need to call out. This is a live podcast if we say things unhinged It's probably from chat on Twitch, but regardless. It's always important to have a safe word Samson. What's your safe word? My safe And Welcome back unfortunately to the podcast. I'm I'm Samson and today we are talking about him Do you ever watch Bobo Bobo Bobo Bobo Bobo? I have no idea what that is Oh, and this is the sex education podcast. It's got a few kings Bobo Bobo Bobo Chat that's live here if you guys want to ever be part of a live podcast go follow us on Twitch If you've never heard of Bobo Bobo Bobo Bobo And that is the name of the anime slash manga series called Bobo Bobo Bobo Bobo It is about a guy who has an afro and nose hair that he can grow and uses his weapons Imagine Vinewip from Bulbasaur, but he's using hair from his nose

1:02You know whenever you start something like this and you you you throw in that it's like an anime I don't believe you at first and then you say oh, but it's an animal like oh, okay I actually do believe that is a real thing now right like I'm I am Convince that it was a hair fetishists like anime like Nightmare but also fever dream, but also fetish content and cartoons are so fetish-coded Let's just let's just be real about that my curiosity with that is is it the chicken or the egg like was it It might be a little bit of both like that's OV position actually Of all the positives no like Animators that are like super growth like muscle growth fetishists that like the guy who did fairly odd parents were like Of the 10 episodes that he was like an executive producer on eight of them contained like extended sequences where the majority of the episode is like Featuring muscle growth or something, you know like there's something like that or is it like looney tunes like being flattened I don't think that was the animators kink, but it became somebody's kink after they watched it Do you think it was the animators? I think so much cartoon. We're getting so far into it already. I think so much cartoon is fetish fuel

2:07Period. Yeah, Sam. I colon m dash. I'm not a robot. I promise. I'm not a guy some people just use m dashes But today's podcast is all about Himbos Samson you've been on the pod you edit you record you You're not only a friend of the pod your family of the pod That makes me happy my family also screams at me so this is And today we're doing our first Our technically our second himbo hang out in the on the pod But this one is all about Himbos because last time we were just kind of unhinged in silly And Christopher who is just he's he's he's not here at the moment He's fine. He's still going to be on the pod in the future But every once in a while I'd like to have Samson on because his brain is a bit different And I feel like we have different It was a compliment my mom calls me different Yeah But um we want to lift some heavy topics but also be really stupid

3:09So we're gonna have some himbo sets today apparently and talk about literally the topic today is himbo That period And dash semicolon the topic is himbo my job is beach I love you want to go beach off you're like all beach off so hard I The last two brain cells are currently in this podcast So I hope you all are enjoying the content already if you want to see the visual There's we'll do these live on twitch. They won't live on twitch for forever though If you want to be part of a patreon though, you can ask questions You can be a part of the pod you can be part of the fam and uh that's today's topic So I think I think the first thing today. I want to talk about samson um Is like what what do you think a himbo's thoughts are on AI? Oh God okay, so period That's it yeah Well a himbo's thoughts on AI so I feel like a lot of the time the the the characterization or the like stereotype of a himbo is that they're very

4:11dumb right um and I think that's a fun there's a fun that's a fun role play to play into because the majority of people that I know that are into Himbofication are actually really smart people right it's kind of the Same idea as like Nicole Kidman being the CEO of the company being like this subby braddy girl in in what does that baby girl I haven't seen baby girl yet, but let's walk baby girl. I haven't seen it either. I'm I'm watching one right now. Oh Thanks kitten I use the term kitten No, I'm asking seriously. I'm asking seriously wait. Wait ask baby girl. Oh in the movie I don't think it does I doubt it because we just saw weathering heights and people are like Oh, did you enjoyed that go watch baby girl? And I'm like, I don't know if I want to watch baby girl still I've heard weird things about baby girl. I actually liked weathering heights last week's pop was all about weathering heights y'all It was very kink coated though. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people talking about it with being very very kinky But But yeah, I have those in AI like I think people who are truly actually deeply himbows and have no off switch Like I think we know people like that right if you're if you're truly deeply dumb. I think that they cannot discern

5:17What is good art and so they'll look at something like that is AI and they'll be like oh pretty color looks good, you know You do look. Yeah, you look great. You look great. Yeah, I agree Himbows and AI are kind of like your mom and AI your mom like doesn't know what's AI But it's like oh, this is fun and they they might think it's fun But the second that they know that it's not ethical like himbows are For lack of I feel like we need to define what a himbo is this if the himbo podcast. Yeah, I have a great definition Oh, go for it a himbo has to check three boxes. You have to be pure of heart wide of chest and dumb of ass I miscounted how many no Um, that's a great definition. Yeah, I would say a himbo is an unintelligent But well-meaning yes Big boy or not even boy, but like a guy just a guy a dude a dude a dude is a great way. Yeah, a dude and dude is not gendered when I use dude Yeah, but like someone who is

6:18Well-meaning cute think krunk from the emperors new groove. I always go there or like who are your favorite himbows in pop culture and media? I think yeah, krunk is a really good one Wolverine's kind of himbo. Yeah, I feel like he's not idiot That's what I was gonna say. I don't feel like he's like truly deeply dumb though, right? But he is an idiot. You dumb and idiot are different things. What about um, what is his name? Yorg Yorgon from uh, from Yorgon Von Strangle. Yeah, yeah, like he's big and he's kind of dumb, you know, kind of this like Beast of burden. I think is kind of the the idea Yeah, like what what are other good himbows in in pop culture or in in movies or characters with like big bumbling kind of stupid Thor whole. Oh that Thor is a great blog Honestly, a good chunk of Marvel characters are himbo Right. Yeah, like not not 20-star. He's too smart. But like Captain America's kind of himbo um, I'm trying to think of like the other really popular ones

7:18uh, Quicksilver was a bit himbo to himself before he um met his untimely demise unfortunately Colossus very himbo all the big meat heads in a in a cartoon sometimes himbo But like at the same time himbo can be himbo is not gendered. I would say oh I think you could be a female himbo as well. Yeah, for sure I mean, I think um a lot of what I think about being a himbo I was thinking about this this morning kind of preparing for this It's very uh thinking oh god. Oh no, we're off to a bad start reset Being a himbo is inherently very drag because it is the like hyper um You are you are bringing out certain characteristics uh that you're embodying but you do not necessarily have to 24-7 identify as right and I really like that definition because I think anybody can be a himbo You know some people if you want to be a bimbo, which is where that word linguistically comes from You would be like think uh like early baywatch Pamela Anderson like the big tits the like the beautiful whatever the whole and the very very dumb too

8:21Right and like that's the that's the archetype That you like to play as but I think anybody can be can be anything I think either of those terms whatever it is that you most comfortably identify it And that could be fluid as well like I know some really hot and be himbo's Um, I know some really hot and be bimbo's you know like so it's Kind of whatever and of course himbo is a derivative term not in a negative way but derivative like terminology wise of Bimbo, but it was bimbo used to be a term used for unintelligent men back in the day, but then they repurposed it for women Really? I didn't know that. Okay, and so himbo is almost like Taking back the power of unintelligent men, but in a in a more positive way I find and it's definitely become a more affectionate term for sure in more recent in more recent days Yeah, but it did derive from that pejorative for women who were quote-unintelligent dumb blonde very much baywatch think Pamela Anderson Um, and we don't mean it in that way obviously. I think I think that bimbo has also kind of gotten the power taken back

9:24You know, Chrissy uh calopika The the bimbo tiktok girl I'm sure if I saw her face I would blonde pink everywhere and she like Say gay rights and like she has a really kind of high pitch voice She has I don't know how to better explain her um But Regardless if you're on tiktok, you probably know who I'm talking about But I think that's also been taken back as well because people are reclaiming sex sexuality Quirky-ness It's not seen as a bad thing to just be kind of fun silly and well-meaning I feel the internet needs more well-meaning things, you know It's what it is. Okay, so I think that the only people that are you know claiming to be him bows that I'm like Are you sure about that girl? It's not because anything about their physical appearance makes me go Are you sure about that? It is because they are Usually people who are like the the version the stereotype of like LA mean boy Like they are like a mean gay a mean girl That's not a himbo that is just point blank definition. You are not a himbo. You're just a basic mean gay at that point

10:30Um the thing that I like what you mentioned about being a well-meaning as well as I think What is it like every um every accusation is an admission where if you If you are a well-meaning person, I think you you tend to see The world with maybe more well-meaning people as well sometimes Um, and so if we can all be a little bit more gentle with each other because sometimes there's assumptions that happen Within you know our community. I've just automatically assuming somebody meant the worst possible thing of what they said Um But I like the idea of just thinking oh maybe that person's either Well-meaning but a little dumb or they didn't mean that thing or I like that as a concept being gentle with each other. And how would you say a himbo smells? Uh, you want to find out? Well, I don't need to say it when you can smell it You know kind of smells like uh let the dice ginkgo. Oh shut out to friend of the pod first sponsor Leather Dice ginkgo is making this pod not only possible making a smell like a proper leather himbo

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13:34Thong pink. Yeah But I'm curious um I've been hyper fixating recently and making just dumb shit and I partly blame you for this But I just got a 3d printer. Yeah, and I've 3d printed and so many like my background is in 3d I was a game developer for an entire decade before doing content I'm old. I know um, but I'm curious What are you hyper fixated on right now? How are you how are you 3d printing like what are you what are you working on? Right now, I'm actually prototyping some things that are going to be really exciting that I want to release for the pup community Um, and so I'm working on that. That's kind of my main thing right now I'm experimenting with TPU which is a different type of filament that is a lot softer and more rubbery think like Hard plastic versus like a pencil eraser like it's more rubbery. It's more soft and can compress and squish a little bit Um aside from that I've done a lot of quality of life things cable organizers Would would a normal person be hard plastic, but a himbo be a pencil eraser. Yeah. Yeah, soft and pink

14:37Soft and pink like my whole like Yeah, I'm excited for your pro your secret projects that we're not gonna tell anyone about but that's exciting Yeah, I'm currently printing a soap dish, which is a wonderful movie, but also I just I need like a little dish to put like sponges and soap things in so that they don't get left on my counter by certain people who Don't know how to put a sponge away. Anyway What would you say is the anatomy of a himbo Besides pink and squish besides pink pop six squish Cicero lip shits. Yeah, um, I think very often the Stereotype of a himbo is kind of that overblown very um Andro philic. Oh, that's a big word. Whoa Don't use big words But they like bring out all of the very Like dumb masculine features, right or thing. Oh also rocky from rocky horror picture show He's a great himbo in pop culture that a lot of people know right big dumb

15:41Skimpy clothing Well-meaning like really innocent Um, but yeah, I think the anatomy of a himbo in terms of things that they wear I think like slutty spandex Like short shorts, string or tank tops Usually they're like showing a lot of skin kind of the equivalent of like um I don't know Like a very like bikini clad Girl at the beach who's working it, but like the male version of that Okay, I would say himbo is not always but generally like Muscley and love love a skanky little outfit of some kind Um, I don't think they have to have a big ass, but I do think they have to have a big personality to love Oh big-ass definitely helps the other thing that I love is it's like uh We have a friend badge who runs the flex parties here in sf that is very like himbo coated uh But he's very much a champion of saying like hey, however your body is showing up right now for you like that's the thing that Flexing takes pride in right so even if you are not necessarily where you want to be

16:44Even if you are not what you think of as it's like a stereotypical himbo being Dumb and taking yourself a little bit less seriously for a second to get into that kind of playful headspace And like just flexing whatever you've got That's empowering and I think that's that's what the that's what the himbification thing is maybe trying to bring out I think it definitely the term itself takes back the power of being a little dumb and stupid and a wild and I think gooning is also very himbo-coded. Yeah. Yeah, for sure I don't know how often you goon But if you're not goon maxing on the pod daily like what even are you doing? No, what what is your relationship with gooning? I love gooning I mean obviously for a lot of you that know that I do a lot of hypno content That's kind of my bread and butter these days A lot of that has to do with himbo-cation a lot of that has to do with like gooning with dumbing down Getting to that more primal kind of silly mindset I know for myself I struggled with sex feeling a little too serious for a long time Right, and so being able to just be like hey, it's not that big of a deal

17:46It's not that deep you can take a step back You can be a little silly a little dumb like there is no Deadline that you're trying to meet you don't have to always be the person in the room who's trying to impress the other person Or be overperforming Sometimes I think being a sex worker as well That leaks into my personal life where as a sex worker you are Kind of trying to make sure the other person is having a good time before thinking about yourself because it is work Imagine being like a professional chef and suddenly you're just like on the grill at the family reunion And you're like you're you're really like in work mode right and it's hard to be like no I'm supposed to be enjoying this. This is not necessarily for work like it's okay I don't have to be impressing anybody. It's all right But if you are on the grill you do have to have a couple sayings like dad dad sayings How you doing over there champ? Yeah Also Looking pretty big over there, bud. Yeah And Did you want some cheese on that? Did you want some cheese on that or um How red do you want your meat

18:46Yeah, dad's not yeah, dad noise or hey there buddy knock knock Hello Who's there gruesome gruesome who gruesome since I saw you last how you doing put her there champ Oh My my grandpa used to do that to me a lot. He's like yeah, yeah, it was really it was really wholesome I love my grandpa so much like gruesome since I saw you last Was your grandpa him bow No, but he is like a like a very much a cowboy rancher so in in a kind of a way he's a very like masculine Very sweet, very kind maybe he is kind of him bow coated actually now that I'm like Going through all of these things. Yeah, possibly now now is now is a time where we encourage You we empower you to look in a mirror and ask yourself Am I a him bow Am I becoming the himbo that I want to see in the world? I mean you should be the himbo you want to see in the world I feel like that's a good empowering thing to just kind of perpetuate. Yeah

19:48While my grandpa was not a himbo my grandpa also didn't just can we talk about the do you think I'll put it in a form of a question Do you think that a himbo would like go into a massage parlor and not realize that maybe happy endings were a thing? I need you to stop right now That answers a question I feel that daddy has lots of himbo energy because when we went to pv. I literally told him Like do not We're gonna go like the sexy parlor for for massage, right? And he's like But yeah, and then afterwards because we both have massage like people that were different He's like, oh, yeah, my guy wanted to like give me a happy ending and it's like I told you that that was what they were asking. What do you mean he wanted to and you were surprised by that If you guys ever go to pv which is a don't go right now. Don't go right now. Yeah Um, if you have skimpy little guys in booty shorts and shredders and tanks outside of the slightly shady looking building

20:49And they're being very polite. Of course, they're very nice Um, but they want to give you a massage just just know that there might be A happy ending in store and you will have to tip for that whether that was part of the deal or not Mr. Christopher definitely himbo energy energy energy energy energy energy Okay, do you think a himbo would gaslight No, I don't think that a himbo is manipulative in general. I think a himbo is Very pure preoccupied with the here and now and I almost think of a himbo as honest to a fault like they would out themselves as They they they're not good at lying. They're not good at uh, yeah, manipulating others Because it's it's almost think of like a like a like a like a like a five-year-old child right they're like trying to hide something That's very obvious that they're not they can't but we are talking about adults who just have the personality up Yeah, it's clear that up because someone will come out here and be like Problematic and they'll be like assuming the worst in people Yeah, not a himbo not a himbo trying if you're trying to come for us when we're just being silly and in stupid

21:53That's not himbo energy. We had oh god So and this I'm not mad at this person So we did a podcast last last week about pillion on on the youtube and Christopher was wearing a Russian river t-shirt And for whatever reason because there's a microphone in the way for Christopher on the on the pod Someone's like wow not you guys promoting Russia And I was like oh god you guys like if you watch the pod daddy's moving around you can read Russian river But someone was like wow not you guys And within minutes I respond and it's like it's Russian river which is a place in San Francisco It's outside the city. It's a little resort slash for like which is super gay by the way Yeah, like and so like If you are coming for people and not mind in your own business not himbo Not a himbo because himbo's are not manipulative to not deliberately at least and definitely are not Provasive in like trying to undermine people Yeah, I think of himbo as as uh the way that I usually identify as as well

22:54I think it's actually my Instagram bio right now. It's like you're you're big to the golden retriever boyfriend Right very golden retriever code I will always be like over the moon to like see you like you walk in and I like immediately like slide tackle you And I'll start like licking you and biting you and I'll be like oh my god It's so good to see you right like It could be a little bit much, but it's just like because I'm excited and I'm you know easily easily hyped up I You do get very easily excitable, I guess I'm trying to think last time I saw you excited about something Well, give me three more cups of coffee. We'll find out So um, I've got some himbo's and I want I want to I want to hear your thoughts um Hercules Hercules is a little bit too smart Um, but he Okay, maybe that's not what it is what let me let me think here Hercules, I don't know that hercules was pretty was very smart at least I in the Disney Hercules. I'm thinking of yeah He he is kind of silly and he has a silliness quality to him, but he's also very

23:56Uh Goal oriented right and he's like he's like pursuing something and he's doing it in a strategic smart way That I think a himbo would struggle with in a stereotypical Version of a himbo, but himbo's don't have to be helpless necessarily either right That's fair. I'm not saying they're helpless. Yeah, yeah, because hercules isn't helpless He's just right not smart. He punches things. Yeah. Yeah, these are these are the people in your life that Punch holes through the drywall you know by accident because they bent and snapped a little too hard What about Johnny Bravo? Is that a deep cut that you don't know? I think that was slightly before my time I know it was like Elvis, but but a cartoon character kind of yeah. Oh actually, okay, so yeah The sunglasses the big blonde or yeah, definitely a himbo. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah Um, what about oh Freddie From Scooby-Doo Or would you say the gang leader from Scooby-Doo? Yeah, you don't think he's himbo-coded um

24:58So himbo's gonna have like some smarts But Or maybe shaggy's more himbo-coded shaggy could be a little bit more himbo-coded Freddie I think is interesting because while all of the characters have been portrayed with very similar traits Throughout the course of the many different series right there's so many different Scooby-Doo spin-offs Fred has been portrayed probably the most differently in many different ways like shaggy's usually the same character Everyone knows shaggy Velma's the smart one everyone knows Velma. Daphne is the the fashionista, you know, whatever everyone knows Daphne Fred Changes a lot from series to series. So I actually have a hard time painting like in some he's really nerdy and some he's like Just like a really wholesome all-American boy and some he's like yeah I don't know. I don't think he's a himbo though. What about Gaston? Oh He is evil again. I think a little too a little too manipulative to be to be a himbo. He's like He's like one of those toxic bodybuilders, you know

26:02Yes, yes, which there are many sure, but I feel I still feel he's very himbo code I and of course if if you all disagree with us leave some comments on the Spotify like let us know in this chat like but I I think I hit a dark himbo a dark himbo dark himbo. Okay, let's start let's start that who else is a dark himbo Um scar from Lion King. Oh I love that all the Disney characters. There's so many himbo's in Disney actually a lot of I mean Vendela crem did a great podcast on this where she was talking about many tropes of Like villains especially in Disney movies and also classic like Universal horror monsters a lot of them are very queer coded like many many many of them To the point where Disney's Backed off a little bit on the queerness because people have given them so much flak and at this point They have so many queer people working. I'm sure they're that have given the feedback of maybe we don't make all the gay people evil But there is a huge and whether it's himbo or not like Cronk is very not he's not evil, but he is very himbo

27:04And he is working for the evil. He's working for the evil does not make the himbo evil He's too dumb. Okay, I don't know tell that to the fucking himbo's that are in the Trump administration right now. Oh, okay Um no, I mean there's a reason there's so many stupid people and stupid mistakes being done there. Let's just But There's the Cronk is like that that hunk meets jock meets Not intelligent enough to know they're doing something bad, but they're just trying to help sure and that's why like Himbo's can be evil, but it's not intentional. Yeah I love the idea of a dark himbo though actually because a lot of a lot of like darks that I can think of it's like they have this Kind of sex appeal I'm even thinking about from sandman um desire is that they're there more they're more kind of androgynous Desires like nb not yeah non conforming to gender and a very I don't know. I don't know if himbo because Evil ish, but also very smart

28:05True too smart too smart But again if you identify as a himbo you can have brains. I mean I identify as a himbo sometimes We have merch that's himbo that I wear all the time and sometimes we were like you're not stupid though And I'm like, oh thanks wait Oh, thanks, you know It's a compliment, but it's not I mean is a himbo stupid or is a himbo prioritizing playfulness over all things most of the time Oh, that's a great question because to me there's a very big difference and I think a himbo again much like a golden retriever a golden retriever prioritizes playfulness, but when there is something really deeply difficult going on um and you're having like Like a family member on hospice and like a golden retriever can sense the energy in the room and knows where to be and how to be supportive and how to you know They're not just dumb one note all the time. I think a himbo might not my definition might be incorrect where a himbo might not always be dumb But they prioritize playfulness Yeah, they live in a

29:07Almost like a gold color or what's the the glasses rose tinted glasses It's the same color as their asshole Rose did my world keep me safe from the trouble in Maine. So why are all dizzy villains get no I do want to go back to that though because I think it's a fascinating concept of like gay people are always assumed Or at least are like written as like evil And I'm trying to like Ursula fucking divine. Oh, yeah Well, no, that just goes back to the haze code, right? That's like the I love Lucy days any of those original You know characters you think look at Not my whole drive sunset boulevard The other movie named after a street name in Hollywood Even that kind of Catty old diva woman is kind of queer coded Yeah, I can't I can't add to that unfortunately. I've never seen that movie. It is so excellent I really I think you would appreciate it a lot. It's beautiful cinematography. It's so well done You also said you never seen citizen Kane right because Christopher brought that up recently

30:07I haven't those are two must-sees. Those are really good like classic cinema Anyway, people no no, I let's go into that like people always ask us like what's good calm And like what's good cinema? What's good books? What are some good old classic queer Recommendations you would give the audience because you you I don't know if people know big old theater queen over here It's true and yeah, and also old classic time sorts of reference movies Not afraid of reference on But also reference itself no reference or not reverence I would say the first one that comes to mind the number one is a movie called the women that has Joan Crawford in it It is so excellent. It is so well done and it's almost like The dialogue in devil Delaware's Prada how it's just so like tut tut tut tut tut tut tut tut tut tut tut tut. It's so caddy back and forth. And there's just all these little Even if it's something just off hand or quick or like there's just like a like a someone as they're turning away They say something funny That's how the women is and it's so Incredibly good it was one of the first movies that had a cast of all women

31:09There's not a single man in the entire show which is great for that era of Hollywood Honestly, what men? Why why men? Why why men? Yeah And it just has some really funny like once once you watch it. You'll see it's referenced everywhere, right, even I even referenced it in the most recent episode of what's the safer where I was like, you know, there's a word for women like you, but we don't use it in high society outside of the kennel, you know, like it's, there's funny, funny little quips everywhere that are just, it's phrased so clever and socially. So that would be my, my first one. Other good. Can I ask that, you know, the most recent, what's the safer as we're filming this live in the pod? Just got Adrestricted. It's not even live yet. The spank, please review, oh, I don't know. I asked for a review because like, there's no nudity in the video. Um, I literally censor out the word fuck multiple times like, I'm never surprised when they tried to censor our shit, Himbo's are sex positive and I stand by that.

32:12Yeah. There is not a single person at YouTube that is a Himbo because what do you mean that it's Adrestricted when the video is not even up yet? Crazy. Very, very. Crazy. Um, another good one, did you come to my watch party of cabaret when I did musical Mondays of my house? The original. I don't care. Or not that maybe not the original. I think it's, it's been done as a play many, many times, but the movie with Liza Benelli. Yeah, exceptionally queer, good 1972, I think. So not, not like golden age Hollywood, but you know, definitely older at this point, but also super relevant to the current political climate in America. Oh, let's be real. They're not harmful. They're just, they just are a little aggressive with their politics. No, they're harmful. Yeah. And if you don't see the comparison between the current political regime and cabaret, you need to go see cabaret. Yeah. Yeah. I saw cabaret in London with Billy Porter as the, the, the, the ring, not the, not the ringleader, the MC like creepy, creepy, but, but in a, in a good way, like it's unnerving,

33:16like I'm getting chills right now, just thinking about it because he's, he's so haunting in his portrayal of the character. And this is what I love about cabaret too. If you ever get the chance to see it in person, um, cabaret is so driven by the MC character, like right now, I think it's Orville Peck in New York. I don't know who is doing it in London, but if you get the chance, we saw it at the Kit Kat Club, which I think is like the, the, the main place that always does cabaret in London. But what I loved is like the performers come out and they don't touch you, but they get close and they're dancing around as, as you're entering the venue, they give you a little shot of some sort of sweetly cord, obviously it's 18 up. Yeah. But then they also put like a little sticker on your phone camera that you have to leave there or you can't watch the show, which I love. I love just turning your shit off and getting to experience something. But Billy Porter in, in cabaret was phenomenal. And I don't know what I've seen such an immersive experience because it's one of those stage shows where the center of the stage, or that the stage is in the center of the

34:20audience. It's a big circular stage that has like moving parts kind of think Hamilton. If you've seen the Hamilton live show, it's got moving parts in the middle. But it's such a, oh, it's such a good show. It's such a good show and me and obviously the musical numbers amazing. The music is so, so, so good. Well, especially I think every show, every rendition of it is very different, but a lot of them now have taken from taking notes from the movie in just the way that certain scenes are staged, particularly like the dance numbers because obviously Bob Fossi directed the movie version. And so much of Bob Fossi's choreography is just ingrained into Broadway to this day. It's almost weird to think that Broadway or that cabaret was a stage show before Bob Fossi and what must it have looked like before because it was so, so different. Um, sorry to side tangent on that. So there are any other movies you'd recommend people check out if they, if they're like old-timey, not even hymnbo coded, but just old-timey movies were kind of transitioning out of that specific topic of hymnbo, but, but trying to keep it fresh and relevant.

35:24Um, I got to think about it, there's, there's a couple really, really good black and white ones. Let me, let me, let me ruminate. Yeah. Well, then how about, I'm curious on your thoughts on pillion. We've talked about it. I feel that you can give kind of an unspoiler, or a spoiler full review if you want, but I'm curious. So many people were curious on a younger person's take, and then they looked at me and like, yeah, a younger person. I'm like, oh, thanks. Okay. Damn. Oh my god. You're a decade younger than I am. God. That's like, that's like being it me and being in PV and then like Spartacus, the bathhouse, they're being like, hey, we have a discount for guys who are 25 on under and I'm like, oof. Oh, I don't qualify for that anymore. I'm old now. I'm gay. Ancient now. I'm 26. Yeah. So, um, but, um, pillion, pillion, I'm supposed to forget, I'm still thinking about movies and I think I got one so I can work that in later, but um, pillion, I really do believe

36:25that this could be Samson the movie. Like I, I think that's why I like it so much is, uh, I previously had them probably the most impactful relationship that I've ever had was with a guy in Salt Lake when I was still living in Utah and it's just the way that the, it landed in the time of my life where I was extremely lonely, um, I didn't really, I was very much like Colin, right? Can we talk about details? Like, can we talk about? Yeah. I don't want to spoil it for anyone. Um, it's been out for a long time. Okay. And I feel you don't have to spoil everything, but you can, you can talk about it. Yeah, go. Yeah. Colin is living at home with his parents still. His mom is passing away from cancer and he doesn't really have friends. He doesn't really have, you know, he's like part of this acapella group with his dad, you know, like he just doesn't have a lot going for him and I very much was in that chapter of my life. I was alone all the time.

37:25I was working, you know, take out at an old spaghetti factory and like that was it. That was my life. It was still in a weird patch with my family, um, and it was very lonely. And so, you know, in comes this, this person who was 57, I think at the time and very much kind of, you know, by demonstration, promised this life of excitement and education and kink and, um, all of these things, very, very much like, right, is this name in the movie, right? The Dom. Yeah. When you are that kind of desperate for anything, any kind of simulation in your life because it's so boring, um, you kind of have to go along with whatever they say because, you know, there's a point where Ray is like, oh, you couldn't make me upset if you tried. You know, if you're not happy with this relationship, oh, yeah, yeah, it's such a read. He's like, if you don't, if you're not finding this relationship satisfying, by, by all means, man, you, you know, you, you can go just go fuck off. Like you don't have to be here, um, but, but to that, like there's such a frenzy to a new kinkster, yeah, a new, new relationship energy, NRE, not to be confused with an MRE,

38:31or what I, I just think it's a great, it's a great term frenzy. You've experienced frenzy before, yeah? Oh, yeah, I think anyone who's been, who is a kinkster has experienced it, yeah, because it's all over the place in kink specifically, but there's such a frenzy and an, an access to the community that Colin never had because of that that I think that's the, the hardest hitting true, like message of that movie, whether you like the movie or not, you know, yeah, yeah, I think a lot of people have been like, oh, it's not a good representation of the kink community. I think it's a perfect, well, it's not supposed to be a good representation, yeah, but it is a representation, yeah, like I think it's very, very, very real, unfortunately, as someone who's experienced, um, a lot of those things, but it also asks an interesting question where it's like, do I think that Ray is inherently attempting to be evil? No, do I think that the dumb that I was in a relationship with was actively thinking, oh, this is a dumb, young person that I can take advantage of. I don't think he was actively thinking that, but I think that his experience in life up to that point had taught him that and he knew that this was just one more boy in

39:33the long, long, long, long line of boys that had this would happen to and then use him up and they break up with you and buy, you know, you said you had another movie. Pink flamingos, John Waters, Pink flamingos. Oh, I haven't seen that. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. It's divine. Like we were talking about, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm familiar with it. I know references from it, but I've never seen it. Yeah. And I'm trying to think, I mean, there's so many movies, I have probably not seen most of the old, old, old, old and days, the old main movies, the old main shoes that you would reference because I just, that's not, that's not, I don't know why, but like, there's a part of me that like an old vintage movie feels not good sometimes. It feels like like either bad quality or bad, bad audio. And so as a himbo, I, I'm like, oh, I'm bored, which is not, not the take, obviously, but, but then there's movies like, yeah, baby Jane, anti-mame, Oh, anti-mame is an exceptionally

40:34good one that are great movies. Yeah. Even if the quality is not perfect. Yeah. And then I think it was technical limitations at the time as well, even when you think about like the thought of a camera and a microphone being mobile and being able to go like in the world in person, like off out of a sound stage was really a novel idea. And that didn't exist until honestly, really recently in the grand scale of cinema. So. But also like all the straight guys in these movies are just gay. Oh, my God. I think I got so many baggages and, and, and purses and, and beards or whatever you want and no shame, no disrespect, like they had to probably code shift and switch so frequently. And I, I stand them. But also when watching some of those movies, you're just like, oh, gay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the John Waters movies are like polyester and multiple maniacs, pink flamingos, female trouble. Like they're all really, really obviously queer code because John Waters is a fucking psycho.

41:35And honestly, not, not a great movie, not great movies to watch it for easily offended. Just going to be real with. Oh, sure. Like, is there are some very much some things that would not fly today? So just be aware of that going into it, like it's meant to be campy and over the time. It is the definition of camp as most people know it was started with John Waters movies. I've got a question for you. And maybe this is, if it's too heavy, too heavy, but this is actually an after pod question from one of our patrons that's just been percolating in my brain recently. Is Rocky Horror Picture Show problematic? Ooh, okay. I love this question actually. I don't think it's too dark at all. I think it's very important that we always remember the context with which something was made. And in addition to that, the intentions of those who were making that film. I have often thought in my own mind, you know, the way that we look at, let's say, a blackface, which is obviously very problematic, very bad.

42:36A lot of those actors that were doing it at that time did not necessarily know that it was bad, right? I mean, there's videos of Judy Garland doing back blackface, right? I didn't know that. Absolutely. She absolutely did was on camera doing it. And I think what happens in when 200 years from now, we look back and we say, oh my God, you know, the art of drag or whatever was so problematic because it was men making fun of women and female characteristics that were really overblowing and, you know, I could very much see a reality in the future where people come back and they look at like, you know, what drag culture is now and find it offensive. So I think it's important to always just remember where we are and the people who made Rocky Horror, meaning like the writer of all the Richard O'Brien, who did this at the music and lyrics and the script and everything. And obviously Tim Curry, who is an actor and he didn't even help in the production, but obviously is super, super gay friendly has always been a champion for LGBT rights. And I mean, yeah, some of the songs have terminology. We don't really use any more, but we can verify and like, but that's that they didn't,

43:39they did not have the words that we have now those words did not exist yet. So they were doing the best they could with what they had. And as most of them are still alive, they've all continued to champion all the right things. So I don't find it problematic at all. I don't find the John Waters movies problematic. I think it created a culture where that should have been grin, not with that fuck ass little pencil mustache. Oh, it was referencing poop, but also yes, yeah, you do know the references, yeah, that's not mean to see it, though, as divine as that moment would be, sorry, it's so crunchy. It is crunchy. And there's nothing wrong with looking back at something and being like, I appreciate this media, but also we need to be conscious of like, yeah, we don't do that anymore. Yeah, that's not okay. And if somebody's still doing that kind of makeup in this day and age as a white person, like you should be doing that. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm curious.

44:39What's the most himbo sex you've had recently? Um, I do have this really hot guy who is like a big bear and like big, uh, I, I love the Gainers. I love big guys. I love like, I love bellies. Oh, and he is so sweet and so nice. And he hit me up on one of the apps and he was like, hey, hey, stud, you know, do you want to come over and like, um, coach can give you some like after, after practice therapy massage. And I was like, yes, that sounds great. And so I just went over and now I've gone over like two or three times now. He's like a new, a new guy. And um, yeah, it's just, it's very hot. He just like wants me to be super, super dumb and vulnerable and like, he takes on this like coach persona thing, uh, it's, it's, it's hot. It's really good. Coach persona thing, as if you don't constantly always have that person. Oh, is it a persona though? Um, I feel like himbo is a mindset. Like it's something that you are that you exude if that you, that you perpetuate and

45:44you kind of, uh, I don't know, embody, yeah, I think, um, that just makes me think of like, you know, your judgmental straight, uh, family members that are like religious sometimes being like, you know, I love you, but I just don't really support your lifestyle. I don't know why you like that. Why are you gay? I don't know. Are you gay or something? Why do you have to choose that? Like, oh my god. But no, being, I think being a himbo a lot of the time, um, is something that we are wired with as, you know, I think we're kind of soci, sociologically, uh, socially big words for a himbo, big words that a lot of syllables, bro, I think a lot of us are wired for those things, um, we either were like exposed to like loony tunes, something that's like, uh, that peaks are interest at an early age, uh, while we're developing that part of our brain. Um, but yeah, like, almost like how we were talking about my, my grandpa earlier, who is this kind of, you know, hyper masculine, but very soft and very kind person. I'm like, I wonder if that influenced, you know, the, the kind of man that I wanted to

46:47become, which in the gay world was the version of that is kind of very himbo, right? I mean, so I think it can be, um, it can be a lifestyle, it can be a behavior, but the fun thing is, um, behaviors in lifestyle, uh, likes and dislikes change and morph over time. You know, there's, there's, you're not promising anybody anything that you're going to be one way forever, you know, I love that there's a, there's this little comic strip that I love where it's this, you know, goth girl at like age 16, I think this was like a tumbler post. And she's like very, you know, depressed and very goth and very whatever. And then there's like her at 26 and she's like this bubble gum pink himbo big girl, like, you know, super, super happy, you know, kinky. And I love it because she's like, you know, if, if old me could see me now, they would be really weirded out, but also really proud because they, they got through something that didn't serve them ultimately in the long run and they became something that allowed them to enjoy life in a much more visceral way and was true or who they are.

47:50Oh, I, I also love, I know, I think I know what comics you're talking about too, because there's like goth girl and bimbo girl, but they're like the same person just in different pantones, you know, different colors, different, different color tone, but very much similar vibes, which is very similar in kink in a lot of ways too, because I know so many kinksters who like to get silly, who like to dress up, who like lingerie or like, like the more frilly, bubbly, pink coated things, and they, but like the harness they're wearing is like really like heavy duty metal and whatnot, but it's pink, you know, and so many of an old guard perspective, not all, we'll see that and be like, well, that's not kink, that's not my community, but isn't it? Like, I think, I think a lot of domes are very hymnbo, but if the casing is a hardened like bull bluff outfit versus like pink gear, who cares? Yeah, as long as you're, as long as you're true to yourself, you're having a good time. Like that, the important thing is having fun. And if hymbows are also teaching people to just be a little more friendly,

48:55a little more bubbly, a little more colorful, I think the kink community could use a bit of that. Yeah, sometimes I wonder a lot of old guard guys that I've talked to about, like for example, the Castro clone look, right? Which for those of you that don't maybe know, this is a great, queer term, a Castro clone Castro is where obviously we both live here in San Francisco, it's neighborhood super gay, historic, live in Castro. I love that. I think people also just have sound clips in their head that just kind of recycle day and day out. Yeah, short attention span, that's very silly. What? Shakira Shakira Shakira. But yeah, Castro clone was like wearing think like, you know, Levi jeans that are really tight, like a tight white t-shirt, maybe a leather bar vest over the top of it, some aviators, some, you know, black leather combat boots, like a, like a, either a baseball cap or like a leather mure cap, it's kind of this hot, you know, like classic shirt tucked in black leather belt. It's like a look.

49:56It's kind of Finland kind of coded. Yeah, yeah. You can see there's tons of videos. If you look at like old school 70s, 80s Castro street, just street attire, there's people that have like their old, old, old maiden cam quarters, their finger maidens. Yeah, it's like Peter Berlin, right? Like there's a great, there's a great porn that's called that boy. It's like a great historic film. It's actually really cool. But yeah, it's, he, he features that look. I didn't love that movie. I think for the time, it was very technically amazing. Yes. But looking back at it now, we saw it, we saw it here in the Roxy, which is like a, for a film festival. How did you describe Roxy? It's like a, Roxy is cool. I mean, it's, it's like what Castro used to be a little smaller, but it was like, it's like a movie house. So think like, you know, back where, before even like modern theaters were a thing, it was like, it was like a cinema house. It's, it's like an old school cinema and like the seats are all pretty crunchy and you can buy like a sprite in a can from the front desk and a little tiny bag of popcorn in the paper, like tiny little paper bag and like a sticky shoe. I don't know if that's like a term. Have

50:57you ever heard this term before? Nice. The floor sticky. Yeah. Well, a lot of, a lot of rural areas have a theater that is colloquially known as the sticky shoe, meaning like it's because it has like soda is spilled on it, popcorn is spilled on it. And yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but like, you know, there's nicer theaters and like then, you know, you have that one theater in your neighborhood. That's like a little shitty here and a little old school. And it's like, maybe not maintained very well. And that's why it's called the sticky shoe, but it's cheap. And it's just like an old movie house. Lauren, what are you doing here? Oh, no. Why is it sticky? So we went and saw, we saw the, it was the boy, right? That boy. That boy. Thank you. We saw that boy with, with him in the, with beautiful in there, with beautiful in the theater. I might have fallen asleep partway through it. Yeah. Yeah. He was a fascinating. He had a little like Q&A afterwards. It was fascinating. I might have fallen asleep. I'm so sorry. Himbo. Himbo moment. Yeah. I mean, it's a really old movie. And interestingly, though, I do think that it was like the history of proper trainers was very part of that because it had, he, one of the things he talked

52:02about was it had the most cuts of any like vintage porn at that time. Like he filmed it himself, shot at himself and started it himself. So produced, acted all the things and distributed it. And the reviews that came in and like the whatever where people had never seen something like that. Because I mean, it took him probably thousands of hours of just meticulously hand-cutting film and pasting it together. Yeah. That's what you did. That was editing was literally physically cutting media. And he was like, yeah, I had a room with like all of these strips of film hanging from the ceiling and piecing them end to end. And the cuts are really, really fast. And it reminded me of like a modern popper trainer, but he did it analog. Yeah. Just crazy. Now we are both editors and let it be known. Himbo's can edit things. It's true. Not always great. But yeah, this is it. I'm speaking generally. I'm speaking generally. But back in the day, when you used to edit things, you would literally have to line up film. You'd have to cut it. You'd have to set it on like these little like pegs and like make sure you taped it properly or glued it. Like I've never done it before. But I did take some film classes editing back in the day was crazy. Yeah. You don't got a little

53:07a little premiere pro where you have a little a little shortcut to cut. And then you can and then move it around. And then yeah, linear editing was crazy. Digital editing, you always do a little cap cut and whatever on your phone have no idea. Yeah. No idea. Yeah. Even just the fact that there was no control Z because once you cut something, that physical media was cut. So every time you were gonna cut something, you would have to make a copy of the film first to make sure that if you did cut it wrong, you could fix it. So it was oh, stressful. I could I could never I could never. Okay. So I've got some more questions specifically for Samson. As we get to the tail end here, we've got we've got live chat here. If live chat has any questions for Samson, but Samson, I was curious. We never really got a chance to talk at least on any media that existed. You just went to M.A.L. for the first time with us. I did. Yeah. That was your first like major major kink convention. Yeah. Yeah. How was that for you? I loved it. One of the things that I feel like we're walking. We're walking. What do you think? I loved it. I think one

54:09of the things that was so powerful about it to me was living in San Francisco. We are kind of at the epicenter of a lot of West Coast events that happened. So there's a lot of people that live in Seattle, Portland, LA, Palm Springs, you know, anything kind of on the West Coast. A lot of those people will very easily come to San Francisco at least once or twice a year for Dory, Folsom, Barrison, Lazy Bear. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of things. So a lot of those people I see very often, you know, but flying across the country and going to the complete opposite coast where it was, you know, New York, Tallahassee, Raleigh, Chicago, you know, all of these DC, right? Obviously that's where the thing takes place. It was a whole new crowd of people. So it was fun to feel like I was meeting a whole new bunch, right? Like sure, there were a few people that we'd met before, but it was a lot of new faces and that was really cool. How did you feel? And this, again, this is not a read, but it was your first stemming event. Was it overstimulating?

55:13So I think one thing that was helpful is I have been relentlessly pursuing the craft of figuring my own brain out this last year through a lot of therapy, a lot of meditation, a lot of getting more strict with my routines, a lot more saying no, which I'm still in the process of learning how to do. I'm still not good at it, but yeah, yeah, period. Yeah. So I've been trying a lot better, but I had a lot of strategies going into ML that I knew would probably help me that were good constructive strategies. And I ended up utilizing pretty much all of them, which was good because that means that you are doing preventative maintenance rather than getting to the point where you are overstimulated. For example, like if I wear earplugs to something, like the lobby, I can handle it. And it's great. Whereas if I didn't, then I went and then I would get to the point where I was overstimulated. And then you're in crisis management. I think you were just ignoring me in the lobby, actually. I'd be asking you very straightforward questions. And you were just like looking at me and you're nodding your head and you're like,

56:17so stuff like that, right? And no, it was it was it was really good. I had a really good time. It was also just fun to feel like, you know, Mr. Ass is a brand that I have really long revered and really long, like loved and enjoyed, and especially since moving here, like I've done a lot of volunteering with them and modeling with them. So it was fun to be there and be like, oh, this is fun to almost kind of be like a representative of something that I've loved so much in my life. And now that we can bring that to people who might not have the opportunity to actually go to the store. But they're here and we're here and it's that's that's exciting. Get used to it. Get into it. Yeah. We have a question from chat of you guys. And this is a question for Samson between AMP, Samson and Mr. Christopher, who is the biggest gas lighter? Okay, I think that there's different there's different tiers here. Um, the first is that I think I love it. I love a simplification, but also a clarification and also a prerequisite to the answer. Go ahead. Yeah. Uh-huh. I am very gullible. Like you can convince me of anything. You can be like, oh, yeah, Monet and the foot feminization surgery, right? And that would be like, yeah,

57:19for sure. Right. So I feel like when you gaslight, it's not like, it's not harmful. It's very, it's always jokingly, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When Christopher gas lights, it's because he has genuinely forgotten the truth. And he's like, no, that's how it happened. And it's like, no, baby, here's a video on my phone of how it actually happened. Look, there's you right there. Right. And we're all like, daddy, that's AI. Yeah. Daddy, that's AI. See? Himbos don't know AI. Oh my god. And then I don't think I'm great at gaslighting. Am I? This is literally you. This is literally before you got here. I was like, just chatting with chat, setting things up. And I was like, I think I'm more of a joking, not intentionally harmful with my gaslighting when I do it. My mind is meant to say joke. It's usually very sassy. It's, it's very clear that I'm like, are you sure you want to write? Right. Right. Like, but it's only with the people that I know we're going to know the vibe with, with Christopher, he will literally be like, no, I just saw that. Oh god. This and that. I'm like,

58:21daddy. Look, it's from the onion. Yeah. It's from the onion. It means well. And you are golden retriever energy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you could ever gaslight someone if you even tried. I think my, try to gaslight me. My, my food bowl is empty. Why did you let my food bowl get empty? You knew exactly what you did, kid. And you're going to like it. No, then you look over and the food bowl is completely full. And I'm like, I'm going to, I'm going to starve. I'm just, I'm, I will simply perish. And you're like, are you sure about that? That's, that's me gaslighting is saying that my food bowl is empty. Well, let me just 3D print you a new food bowl. And we'll fill it with microplastics. Oh, no. All my little poop turd things from the, my 3D printer. Why fill your body with microplastics when you could fill your body with macroplastics? You know what I, it's like my, my mom always said, don't have microplastic be microplastics. Or one of the plastics here, you know? Yeah. Is it like Regina George if she was like 4, 7? Issues are microplastics. Yeah. Microplastics. No, I think that wasn't Mean Girls 2 when they

59:24brought black, wasn't, wasn't there a Mean Girls 2? I'd never watched it. Wasn't it the musical one? Or I don't know. No, that's the music. Mean Girls a musical, which they, they, they were doing as like a remake movie. They never promoted it as a musical. Oh, people hate it. So many people were mad. And I watched it being like, it's a revenge party. That was a great musical. I knew it was a musical. Yeah. All y'all out there that didn't know it was a musical. I saw your post on that. I was like, oh, my favorite is a video that someone posted of like one of the first moments that one of the characters breaks out into song. The camera, like, kind of does a quick little zoom in and the, the color grading changes really fast. And she starts singing in the, it's a video of that happening in the whole theater going like, oh, you know, I loved it. I loved the Mean Girls musical and the Mean Girls musical in person is great too. But as a movie, I understand why people didn't like it. I understand. I didn't see it. I actually see good about me. I don't like Mean Girls. And yeah. And yeah. And yet here you are. No. But the reason I kind of started out with the like the AI at the beginning of the pod,

1:00:27um, I spoke to a publication by the time that this podcast comes out, the publication will be out. I can't name them still. But, um, we were, we were approached by, uh, people who write articles on a very mainstream media. And they were asking about AI used in BDSM. That that. Yeah. All right. I'm intrigued. Imagine somebody using, you know, AI chatbots. Yep. And I want to start up. I'm saying like, we don't like AI. We don't condone AI. We don't support AI. Generative AI is like destroying water and RAM and environments and obviously. But they were like, well, we had a bunch of questions about AI doms. And I said, oh, have you ever used a chatbot before? And this is like judgment-free. Like back in the day, I tried out some chat box when AI was just starting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like we did episodes right when AI was very, very, very first coming out. Um, in fact, that was my very first, uh, exposure of, um, uh, AI was editing a video for, for you guys that was, you know, going through

1:01:29it. Oh, that was interesting. Okay. So I looked into it a little bit more and there was some, um, very, you know, interesting results of that experiment. And so yeah, I've, I've tried chatbots and tried, you know, stuff that had that kind of thing. So they were essentially coming to me and asking like our thoughts on it because we did a podcast we were talking about AI, but it was like AI graphics. But I went into this rabbit hole like researching AI used to not only train someone to submit, but also train to dom. And I was just appalled at the amount of people online that are like using AI bots to have BDS, BDSM scenes or right scenes for you or give you tasks and then reprimand you if you don't do them. And the, the, the article that was written, I think that they were trying to get a positive and a negative side. I was definitely the negative side because I was very much like, why would you want to use like, yeah, AI is always available. Yeah, AI can be creative and do things. AI can destigmatize things that are taboo maybe that you're not

1:02:30comfortable with yet. Sure. But at what cost? And also like the real interesting thing was when I was having this conversation with this, this, this writer, I was like, well, are you going to talk about the difference between an AI DOM bot and an AI sub bot? And he's like, well, no, they're just bots. And I was like, yeah, but imagine you have someone that as a, if it was an AI sub, you're like, you're a DOM trying to learn how to DOM, which don't use AI, please. But you have a sub who is AI and you tell them to do something. Of course, they're going to do it. They don't want to, they don't want to displease you. Of course, they're going to follow the directions that you give them. Now imagine you're training that sub and you're getting this positive reinforcement over and over and over again. And now you need a real sub who has limits and boundaries and these aftercare and terrifying. Like I would never want, so I wouldn't want a DOM that's using AI to train a sub to be a DOM for me then because I feel like I can't trust their judgment. But I also, they've never had a real person in front of them to do BDSM. That's, that's, oh, that's scary.

1:03:33It's the same reason why like I would not trust somebody who uses AI art. That's objectively really bad and stupid to like, I wouldn't work with them on anything. Not just art because that tells me you lack the artistic, you lack the comprehensive awareness of being a human person to be like on a team with like, you know, like to, I don't know, I just think it's a little crazy. How you do anything is how you do everything in my book. If every, if every problem is a, what is it? If you have it, if, if you're solution to everything is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail. So, and the square goes in the square hole. And the square goes in the square hole. Yeah. So I just, I know a lot of people that use shortcuts and corner cutting tactics, I just don't trust them because I know that they will do everything the shittiest, worst possible way and they'll genuinely think it's good. And that's just the AI subs. Then we talked about AI doms. And I'm just like, why would I want a not a not very creative dom who's giving you like checklists of things that it thinks based on whatever erotic novels it probably siphoned information off of like,

1:04:36my question is always going to be like, where did it get this information? And how was it trained? Yeah. Because more often than not, it's not done ethically and it's stealing someone's shit. Did it just watch our entire YouTube channel and then create a dom based on being Christopher? Because a lot twist because I'm sorry. I love daddy. Daddy is a wonderful dom. Daddy has never done anything abusive. But what I mean to say is like, the AI is also not going to get our sarcasm. It's not going to get our jokes. It's going to enter the room and be like, I'm at top. Like, that's not maybe it might be funny. I don't know. But a dom is not going to check in. It's not going to do aftercare. And it might not even know the different complexities of kink. And so like, I'm talking with this publication and they're asking really good questions. But I'm also like, are you guys going to promote AI doms with this article? Because I don't like that. And I don't want to be a part of your article if you're promoting it. Well, and I, but at the same time, I want to be part of that article to call out the problem, like the problematic nature of, okay? That's true. And doms. And it's hard to be part of a conversation

1:05:39sometimes when you're the only voice of reason. But you, if I'm not a voice of reason there, more people are going to perpetuate how great AI is for doming. And I just, there's so many, there's so many holes in that. There's so many hallucinations in that. The very first time I ever used one of those chatbots back in the day, I was like, oh, yeah, I was getting some puppy playing and chastity. And it took all of five minutes for the scene to get kind of dark. And some of it was sexy. But then it was like wheels you into veterinary clinic and castrate to you. And I'm like, well, that got dark real quick, didn't it? And I just don't love that. Where the checks and balances. Where is the check ins? Where's the aftercare? My balls and dick are now gone. Where's my aftercare? Yeah. Well, and if you don't, you know, like being part of this article, if you're not voicing the reason in the room, how are you going to tell them later than I told you so? Do you want to hear something, country? Yeah. This is the best I someone asked. They're like, how what is the most professional way in an email to say I told you so? And the person responded,

1:06:42this was seen early on as a likely outcome. Amazing. I mean, this was this was predicted early on as a likely outcome. Honestly, I told you so direct. Yeah. A little shady. A little shady. But like, not not unwarranted. Like that's that's fair. I think the biggest thing, or at least my takeaway that I hope that they took from it was like creating a partner is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Creating someone that you're going to rely on. And especially with kink and BDSM being so inherently emotional in a lot of ways. And so inherently intertwined in like to your personality, who you are as a person with many kinksters, I find. Why are you taking the human element out of something that is such a human experience? Yeah. If it's if it's a matter of like you don't feel comfy or you don't feel confident enough and you need to use that chatbot to like practice some sexting, I can allow it to a degree, but at the same time, the ethical ramifications of using that, whose information are you stealing because you're using that. And like that affection, that connection,

1:07:45that human intuition is what makes BDSM BDSM. Yeah. And without that, you're just role-playing abuse. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing that's scary about thinking about sex education for, you know, people who are coming into their sexuality, maybe at, you know, earlier ages here. There is no safety rails in place, right? So this is like one of those awful articles that you read where it's like, you know, two, 13-year-olds dating and one of them chokes the other one and like crushes their larynx or something, right? And it's like, well, they saw it and porn. Yeah. So they thought that's what it was supposed to be. Now we have AI. Now that's going to be way worse. They're going to be like, how do I do this? And it's, you know, yeah, how do I do taboo thing, insert thing? Oh my god. And that's that's scary. Sorry, that got dark and deep, but it was it was something that was really real on my mind. And a hymnbo doesn't really know filters all that often sometimes. Yeah. I mean, the nice thing is I do think that a lot of the people who are becoming parents now are internet aware themselves. Are they? I think that we just I just

1:08:47heard out here doing age verification. That's true. Yeah. But like compare that to like where we were when when you were growing up and I was growing up, my parents are will and will always be and all starly. Sorry. Girl, I'm going to pass out in this fucking bench at the same time. Oh my god. Now sachet. Oh, way. Sorry. Finish your sentence. And then we got to go. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Stimming. They were completely tech illiterate. So they were unable to you know, that my parents were so easily gaslit by being like, you know, like when you know, as a kid, I was like, you know, searching the the weird corners of the internet for weird things. And you know, like my parents know how that worked. My parents still don't know how to turn on a computer. Anytime I go home for the holidays, I am unfortunately the hymnbo that knows how do you do technology a little bit. Yeah. But let maybe let's end on this a small win, which is if you

1:09:50all haven't followed the discord age verification laws, age verification laws in my mind, think of the children is never used to think of actual children. It is always used to parent over parent and attack marginalized communities sex positive POC like these age verification things are not only generally run with a bit of AI. They they are awful for environments. They're awful for the online spaces. And why the fuck aren't parents parenting discourse this last week was was hacked again. And anyone that did the age verification thing, your information might be at risk, whether it was you know, six months ago when this first happened in like 70,000 accounts were put into jeopardy in the UK. They're now trying to roll it out in America. Last week, they got hacked again. Yeah. And so I'm out here like, get get children off the internet. The these companies own all these social media platforms. The people who own those platforms to CEOs outright have said that they don't let their kids use their own. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know. A little alarming. Yeah. A little red flag. There's a huge lawsuit going on right now with

1:10:54with better being sued by a very large, large, large number of people claiming that, you know, they had severe mental health issues, body dysmorphia, suicidal ideation, depression, anxiety that came from, you know, having a social media platform like Instagram or Facebook, when they were 13, 14, 15 years old, before they were supposed to be on heartburn, upset stomach, diarrhea, indigestion, heptobizmall moderate to severe plexerized, which is pink. Thank you, hymbos for peptobizmall. There you go. We did it. We did it. Got it. This is really the pod day. Samson, where can people find you if they want to see all your hymbal content? I'm pretty much everywhere at Samson nightly. I just passed 10,000 followers on Instagram. So that's exciting. Oh, and you can find me everywhere at pupamp, pupamp, pap, if you want to see the sex stuff, pupamp.com. But this has been what's your safe pot of what's a safer production. And if y'all want to go see Samson and more things, he's on videos all the time. We, I think next week have Samson's react as this podcast is going up. We react to some of your reels and it does get

1:11:55very hymbal and very unhinged. So if you'd like to see all that links are down below, but regardless, we appreciate you all. And we will talk to you all next time. Bye. What is what is your final, your, your, your sign out, your hymbal? What do you want all the hymbos to know? I'm going to go back to you. You're not a hymbal. If you're pretty, you're a hymbal. If you're nice to people. Yeah. Like being pretty and mean, you know, having your, having your, your, your Twitter, whatever. And it's like an LA gay who I know has been mean to friends of mine personally. And they're like, you know, just for fans gay, too deep, too deep. Like, it out of hymbal. You're just mean. But if you are one of those gays that wears the harness on upside down our backwards and then does like, oh, daddy's ready to be submitted to, I will always call you out and be like, sir, your harness is on. I'm so sorry. The number of times I've done that to like those kinds of instigays and they delete the post.