The Eric Metaxas Show - #198 - Frank Gaffney / Matthew Thayer

0:00Hey there folks, it's now my joy and privilege to speak with my friend Frank Gaffney. He is officially the founder and president of the Center for Security Policy. And we're going to talk about something now. It's kind of a campaign to ban Sharia, hip hip hooray, Frank Gaffney. Welcome. Thank you. Let's get it now. I'm a small adjustment former founder and former president, now it's just founder of the Center for Security Policy. Actually, I'm running a different group doing much the same thing. It's called the Institute for the American Future and it's sponsoring this project, bansharia.com and I'm super excited to just talk to you. Sharia.com. I know what you mean by that. But I want to ask you kind of this global question, how is it possible

1:00that in the United States of America, we get of leaders who don't understand that having Sharia within our borders is fundamentally unconstitutional. It's kind of like saying, I'm going to have a house where we're going to rape children, but don't worry, it's just in our house. You'd say, well, no, your house is in America. We can't do that in America. We have a constitution. We have laws. We can't have you make your own laws. How is it possible, Frank? This is always my question and I thought maybe we can start here. How is it possible that leaders don't understand that the concept of Sharia law within the borders of the United States of America is a no go? We can't do it. What am I missing, I guess? That's always my question. Well, you're not missing anything. What they're missing is that this is happening and that it is an absolute existential threat to everything we hold dear, starting with the constitution and the freedoms from God that it guarantees and shame on them for doing this.

2:01I've been warning about this for decades and others have as well, Eric, and I think you have too. This, our friend of ours, Bill Federer, has an apt analogy. He says, you know, it says, though, MS-13, said, you know, we execute people as part of a religious right. We marry off children. We use traffic and slavery. We, you know, Black people's genitals off if they're females. And you have to respect it because it's part of our religious practice. We'd say, no, that is demonic and it is part of your criminal practice and we're not going to have it. Let alone that what they ultimately want to do is to replace our constitution. That's not on. That's called sedition. I'm of the view, Eric, that what we've got to be doing with these politicians and we happen

3:01to have a window in which to do it this week at the Republican midterm convention is to say to them, you must prevent these practices from being done by anybody, whether they are you know, a drug gang or whether they are a death cult of some other kind or whether they profess to be a religion. That is not legal and we need the laws of the land by the way, most of Sharia, which is I call it a political, military, legal strategy for conquest. Most of it is derived not from the Quran but from the life of Muhammad, the so-called perfect man. And Eric, when you look at that life, you look at the things that he did, you look at the things that he not only practiced in his own right but he told of his followers they have to do as well. It's almost all illegal under our existing laws. So just enforcing those laws would go a long way

4:05to stopping what is the threat that is now metastasizing in our country. So the question is, where's the problem? Is the problem democratic politicians who simply don't care about our constitution? Is that the issue? Is that why you're bringing up the midterm the midterm election that there are Democrats going along with us, the so-called red green axis that they realize that, you know, they don't really care about the the constitution or the country but they can score some political points if they look the other way. I mean, is that what we're dealing with? Who are we fighting here? Well, I think that can win is the point. They can get power. They can be elected by embracing these guys. But Eric, I mean, you're a historian. One of the things that we need to really be cognizant of is that the democratic party has from its inception in the party of slavery. It has espoused it. It has enabled it. It has excused it. It has, in some

5:06cases, practiced it. And the point is that that wasn't just ancient history. That wasn't just the colonial period. That wasn't just, you know, fighting over, you know, all men actually being created equal. That wasn't even ended with the Civil War. That was going on for another hundred years after that right through the Civil Rights Act of 1965, when Lyndon Johnson famously said we're going to be using instead of the plantation, the welfare state to essentially keep he used the the N word. These folks eating out of our hands for another 200 years. In other words, this slavery that we are contemplating coming at us next in the form of Marxism and jihadism or Sharia supremacism is just part of the DNA of the democratic party and many of its elected officials.

6:06The Republican party by contrast, as you know, was the party of freedom. It was born of the abolitionist movement that said we don't want this slavery in our country and work tirelessly to try to get rid of it. Frederick Douglass being an exemplar of it and a nearly leader of that party as was Abraham Lincoln. That ultimately is what we are anxious to see restored is that brand of the party and the choice therefore laid before the American people in these critical midterm elections between freedom on the one hand and slavery. It must be freedom over slavery is the answer and we need the Republican midterm convention to make that a party platform, a national party platform even if there's not a national candidate. It has to be across the country and if we do that, I believe Eric, you will see the American people responding, turning out voting for the party of

7:09freedom and against the party of slavery. I have to say that when this leads to a subject that is very close to my heart, it's called religious liberty. We believe in religious liberty in America, but we have to understand what that means. We have to define it. You've been mentioning it really is this idea that I could say, listen, I believe in murdering and raping and that's my religion. Immediately the Constitution says, tough luck. You can't have a religious liberty only goes so far, just as free speech only goes so far. You can't yell, fire in a crowded theater. You can't, we have to understand what liberty is, what it means. And so religious liberty, liberty, I think is the upper word. Well, it seems to me that what we're talking about here is, we're talking about radical Muslims who are political activists, who are gaming the system. They're

8:11playing a game and they're saying that Americans are soft and we can get them on this. We can shove our wickedness down their throat. Let's just call it religion and let's plead innocent. When they say, you're trying to, they're like, I don't know, we're just trying to practice our religion. Well, that's where we have to step in and say, no, you don't get to practice that part of your religion in the United States of America. You cannot have separate Sharia courts in America. There's certain things you can't consummate a marriage with a nine year old in the United States of America. You can't do that in America. I mean, it's that simple, isn't it? I mean, I think sometimes people get confused, but it's about that simple. I'd render it even simpler if I could. Part and parcel of this campaign, we call it the Save Texas, Save America campaign sponsored by the ban Sharia.com coalition is to say right out loud and right out front Sharia is not a religion.

9:19As I say, it's a strategy for conquest. Yes, it's got a veneer of pietistic practice to it, Eric, but for all the reasons you've just gone through, it isn't a religion and it can't be legally undertaken inside this country, starting with the idea that it will supplant our constitution. That's its express purpose and everything is being organized and advanced for that end. And here's the thing. Once you strip away the idea that somehow this is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution, then you simply yes, use the federal and state courts of your country to prosecute people for engaging in practices that are not religious and are, I think, actually, satanic and must be prohibited because if not, they will be using all of those as instruments of oppression of our people. That's where I come

10:25back to this idea of slavery. And it's worst. I'm told something like four million black slaves. You've written the masterwork on this subject with amazing grace. And the abolitionist movement ultimately freed them. But these guys have in mind enslaving 350 million of us, every man, woman and child, and imposing upon us these kinds of horrors, whether it's forcing women to be covered or child marriage or gang rape or female genital mutilation or slavery. Any of the things that Muhammad said, you must emulate as a faithful Muslim. It can't be allowed. And that's where we have to make it clear. There are Muslims who don't want to live under Sharia anymore than we do. We're not talking about them. I'm fearful that unfortunately because the people who do believe

11:28that Muhammad is the perfect man, the people who do believe that Sharia must be the order of the world. They have a word for those folks that we would call, I think I spent many of us, at least good Muslims. They don't think they're good Muslims. They think they're apostates. And apostasy, as you know, is another of the things that under Muhammad's rule was a capital offense. So by and large, they're not going to put their head above the parapet because they're afraid that it's going to be cut off. So we don't get the help from them that we need. We can recognize that they may be a subset of this larger population, but in less than until they're willing to stand against that larger population and help us prevent its takeover of our country and a destruction of our country in the process. They're not going to be real reliable allies in this fight. They're just, you know, going to be part of the problem in a sense. Well, it's interesting because I think, again, we have to think about, you know, the meaning of everything. When we talk about truth or

12:30faith or whatever we, we believe in liberty in this country, which means you can say and believe stupid false things. You have the right in this country. You're entied by the Constitution that you can say stupid things and you can believe stupid things. If you want to do that, you're free to do that. It doesn't mean that those things aren't false or stupid or wicked, but we have that kind of freedom. But once it leads to actions that are evil, once it leads to things that break our law, then we have to say, well, wait a second. You know, you can believe that crazy stuff. But if you're putting it into action, now we have a problem. And that's really what we're talking about, Frank, right? Because I mean, there are all kinds of people with all kinds of things in their heads. We can't legislate against that. People kind of spoused things that we disagree with and that we know are wrong, but they have the freedom to do that. But once they put those things into action, once they try to implement those things, they're bumping up against, you know,

13:36that's America, right? You can't, you cannot do those things in America. And I guess it's just a lack of political will that we don't push back on this, that we kind of are sort of willing to go along with this lie that, well, who's to say what's true or who's to, I mean, it really seems to me that that's kind of the issue. There was a time when we had a consensus about what's right and wrong. And now I think there are a lot of people that they want to pretend that we can live in a world where there is no right and wrong. There is no, we can just sort of let everybody do their own thing. And we're bumping up against that right here. You can't, you can't do that in America. Sorry, but you can't do that. They're going to try that's for sure. But, but the red green dimensions of this are important to note as well, Eric, the Marxist partnering with these jihadis gives rise to that kind of moral equivalence or, you know, anything goes kind of attitude. But it's

14:37all for the purposes of taking down our society, our ordered liberty as they founders put it. And and let me just tie this back in if I would could to the Republicans because you asked the question. The Democrats are are are now throwing in with these guys. The Marxists as well as the jihadists. I'm being told, Eric, that the Republican machine, the RNC, the White House, what have you is not going to have any mention made of either Sharia or maybe even communism in this convention. They don't want to talk about that. They don't want to do anything about it. And some are saying that the reason for that is they want to court the Muslim vote. Now, that takes you beyond just the moral latitude. That takes you to, I believe, complicity in the destruction of our country. And that must not stand. And I consider it to be an absolute God thing. A, that there is this midterm convention.

15:38That it's in the state of Texas, which as you know, Eric, back in March, there were 1.9 million Texans who voted for a proposition 10 on the Republican primary ballot that simply had five words to it. Texas should prohibit Sharia law. That's the largest expression of public sentiment on the issue ever. And this is the case where the Republican party is going to be in the heart of Texas, where that sentiment is very strong. And I'm going to be there. I'm hoping that you will be, but everybody who is, will be pressing forcefully for the Republicans to make a stand, a stand based on their roots, a stand for freedom, a stand against slavery. And make sure that everybody running on the Republican ballot will be appealing not just to Republicans, of

16:38course, but to independents. And I think some Democrats as well who don't want any part of slavery, not under the Marxist, not under the jihadists, not under the Democratic Party. They'll have freedom. If that choice is made clear, we must have that come out of this convention as I see it. It's interesting. I think that there are so many people that don't really have a sense of history. They don't have a sense of the evil that Islam has done around the world. And so they kind of think it's some some little private thing that people practice. They don't understand it. It's an ideology that does want to take over. That sounds incendiary. It sounds hyperbolic. Unfortunately, it's not. And we're finally seeing it. Frank, you've been talking about this for years. But we're finally seeing it creeping into the mainstream. Can I mention two things just by way of reference, Eric, one is the secret plan of the Muslim Brotherhood. Google it at

17:39Center for Security Policy and explanatory memorandum. It was introduced into evidence by the federal government in the largest terrorism financing trial. It says that the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood is to destroy Western civilization from within by our hands as well as the believers. The other is this longer book. Very very compelling study that we did in 2010. You mentioned I've been at it a while. 2010 is called Sharia the Threat to America. You can also get this as a downloadable free PDF at Center for Security Policy.org as you can the explanatory take these aboard folks because frankly, we're making history right now. You're part of it. You're going to be impacted by the choices that are made. And we need you to be as informed as you could possibly be. You can learn a lot more about all of this and see some very illuminating micro documentaries we call them at Ben Sharia.com. We have to go right now. But the main website is

18:41Ben Sharia.com. Yes sir. Ben Sharia.com folks get involved. Ben Sharia.com. Frank Gaffney. Thank you so much. God bless you my friend. Thank you. Hey there folks. I've been saying that 2026 must be the year of accountability. Whether talking about government spending or the way we steward our own families. We have a moral duty to seek the truth. But let's be honest in the world of Medicare. Truth is often the first casualty seniors like my 91 year old mom are bombarded with mailers and pushy phone calls that feel more like propaganda than helpful guidance. This is why I value my partners at chapter. They operate on a different principle independence. Chapter is the only national advisor that reviews every single plan available to ensure you have the coverage that actually fits your needs. They've helped people find clarity and on average have historically helped members save an average of $1,100 a year on health care costs. Their support is completely

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20:43one of the last interviews of our friend Charlie Kirk. For people that I always assume that people haven't watched every show that I've done so they didn't hear our last conversation. Tell us about the film. Just off the bat right now pre-orders are available for next couple of days. It's going to be released on the 10th on Salem now for a four-week window exclusive. Then it'll go wide in October. Right now if you go to can you hear me now film.com. That's can you hear me now film.com and pre-order the film. You get a free DVD which is fantastic because DVDs see we can actually hand to people. You can't really hand a digital copy. The film, yeah it it I interviewed Charlie Kirk just kind of like one of those crazy God things two weeks to the minute before he was assassinated. We were in the process of exploring modern prophecy kind of around the prophetic fissure that happened in 2020 when everybody said that Trump was going to win and then

21:48there were profits that backed off of that pretty quickly once Biden was was crowned victorious by the media and then there were other profits that doubled down and said well no actually he did win and this election was fraudulent. So we were exploring that reached out to Charlie's team because we knew that this was going to be coming out in an election year and I've always I mean I was home school. I've I've learned all of the Christian heritage of our country and so it was always very perplexed when I would meet Christians who didn't think that we had a seat at the table when it came to ruling our nation because we were actually the ones at the table when we created the nation and so Christians that being being that is and so I reached out to Charlie to talk to him about like the separation of church and state and this Christian nationalism moniker this being branded on people to push them back into line and he was always so eloquent about all of that and then while we were there I just talked to him I said hey what do you think about prophecy and he's like oh yeah absolutely I believe it it's a gift we need to always bounce it off a scripture

22:49but he says I've seen it work and transform lives but one of the things that he said that just stuck with me was he said a word for a prophet is not an excuse for an action or apathy which I think is incredible because most Christians even those that believe in prophecy you just believe well when somebody speaks a word from the Lord then it's just going to happen and therefore I can just pop some corn and sit on my duff and just watch it and really what a prophet actually is even this is biblical is actually more of a directional right it's an arrow pointing in a direction and God is expecting his people to hear his voice and follow did you say pop some corn and sit on my duff yep the word duff is really not allowed on this program Chris we're gonna oh I can't believe there's children the listen to this program and you said duff and now I'm saying duff okay so that's an important point important theological point and I've made this point many times

23:55myself that just because God says you're going to win doesn't mean you don't need to fight to win it doesn't mean you don't need to pray it doesn't mean you don't need to be in the battle and that's always the issue right that there people think like well God is sovereign it's like well no it's a little more complicated than that God may have said yes I want you to prevail but now you have to fight and I keep bringing it back to the American Revolution because I spent the last two years thinking about the American Revolution but if you say to George Washington in 1776 hey George you're gonna win he would say well that's very nice that's very nice to know but in the meantime I have to suffer and my men have to suffer and die and suffer and die and so in the meantime we have to fight and pray and suffer and fight and pray and so we have to fight and pray and suffer and sometimes die we're in a war and I think that people miss that

24:59that just because you're going to win the war doesn't mean you don't need to fight and pray fight on your knees in prayer fight in in in other ways I think that a lot of the church has become passive and is into this sitting on their duff mentality that it's all taken care of you know we throw around these cliches oh God is sovereign well yes he is but what does that mean what does that mean you may be martyred our friend Charlie Kirk was martyred while he was in the lion's den while he's sharing his faith and I think it's very important that we understand that and that's kind of a problem absolutely your way with with the concept of prophecy as people don't understand that you know we have to be biblical about it we can't just say well I believe it and if I get say something to that I think that yeah God is sovereign and what does a sovereign do a sovereign dictates his will and his will is to be followed by his people and you know and and we don't battle

26:04against flesh and blood and Paul was very clear about that we battle against the principalities and the rulers of the air that are still you know in a battle trying to to win this thing and so we actually have to fight against them but the interesting thing is bringing up you know using prophecies as weapons the it's interesting that the the the the word of God is referred to as a weapon and we've kind of reduced that down to just the scriptures but I think that a word from somebody who's hearing from the Lord or from the Lord yourself to you can be used as a weapon and I think that Paul outlines that very clearly to temnathy when he says hey you know those personal prophecies that you got use them to fight the good fight well if prophecies just supposed to happen and realities always supposed to match up with the sovereign will of God then why is he encouraging him to use those prophecies to fight if it didn't mean that reality wasn't actually going to be lining up with what he was seeing with what God was saying if that makes sense well it is it's so fascinating

27:11I'm just thinking of the fact that you made a film about prophecy and I want to ask you about that what led you to make a film about prophecy well it really was around that 2020 election thing you know because you had some prophets that are saying you know hey Trump is you know it was when a win and then backed off and then there were people that said Trump was going to win and doubled down and so that was kind of a curious thing is somebody who grew up believing the God speaks and that there are prophets I've still had my issues with how they've gone about business but I do believe that there's something there and that and it kind of goes back to that whole thing where it's like if the enemy is all about deception and you can get a word from a prophet right you could get individually a word from a prophet and I've known people that have gotten words 20 years ago and are only manifesting now right because they actually held that and said no I really believe that this is what you know God is saying over my life and I'm going to continue

28:11down this path and overcome these obstacles and all of this other stuff and all of some that fruit comes to bear well the enemy is all about deception so if an enemy if the enemy can use deception to throw off individuals why couldn't he use deception on a whole wide scale over an entire nation and get us to believe that you know the election was actually fair and balanced and all of this other stuff when actually you know stand I mean there's so much evidence that are coming out and investigations right now we might actually be shown that the whole 2020 thing was rigged I think you know to be fair and I've talked about this enough over the years but I can understand why people can't handle the concept that the election was stolen it's too painful to think that in the United States of America something like that could happen and it's easier to go along with the consensus and go along with the news media and go yeah everybody knows like it didn't happen it did happen it did happen and we have to have a reckoning you can allow something

29:12like that to happen or even sort of to happen without dealing with it I mean if there's any truth to it we need to get that out and not to go back to that not to insist on that is to be a part of the problem I mean I really think it's kind of like saying well there's no evil in the world there's evil in the world and there are times when you've got to face it and it's ugly I mean I remember the 20 sorry the 2000 election with the hanging chads and I remember being mortified at the time thinking this doesn't happen in America that we have to wait weeks and weeks to find out who won what is going on I remember being really rattled because I thought in America we've had a system that we trust and the people the reason America works is because the people say I am the government we the people we're the government we are free we're not governed by anyone it's not the government we are the government we choose our leaders it's transparent it's clear that's how self-government

30:17works that's what liberty is all about the moment that is rattled and that was first rattled in 2000 26 years ago where suddenly the cynicism creeps in maybe there are people playing games the lawyers are playing games that cynicism destroys self-government because unless the people believe my vote counts you really can't proceed because that suddenly now it's all corruption and that's what you have in third world countries that's what you have in communist countries in socialist countries it's all corruption everybody knows it's corruption and consequently everybody pulls back they're no longer involved and and that's really the horror and so when we talk about the 2020 election we're going to have to face this I mean I think many of us are facing it but there many still mainstream media outlets including Fox News they will not go there the Wall Street Journal they they just won't go there because it's somehow too disturbing and I think that we really

31:22cannot function as a society unless everyone knows that we have free elections so even if we had an election that was fair if there are enough people that don't believe it was fair we've got to deal with that because that's a problem people need to understand that need to have faith in these institutions anyway didn't mean it goes so long on that but I just think it's crucial because what happened in 2020 was so jarring to most people you can see why so many people just want to say stop we're not going to talk about it we're not going to talk about it because I do think that those profits to get back to your film they were right but they just didn't know how to interpret what they were hearing right no for sure because I mean you know what we experienced in 2020 if it was actually a stolen election was a total black swan it was something that had never happened before and so you know you don't really have anything to bounce that off of but we the people are actually the ones that are vested in the authority according to the document that we signed before God and the world and the authority is a big deal to heaven and so authority is vested in the people

32:27and that's where I stand you know when it comes down to that I think that God knows who actually won and that authority was was transferred to that man during that time which is interesting because he still operated very much as as a kingmaker in a sense and you know went through a lot of stuff was very influential even in those four years where he wasn't actually in the quote-unquote office and so kind of a fascinating thing which we you know it's a whole other thing but the the prophecies that were in 2016 and 2020 one of the things that I've pointed out to people is that that was abnormal you know I don't know how long you've been aware of like charismatic you know stuff pedicostle stuff but I classically call myself a bapticostle and so when you know I grew up you know hearing you know an election word or whatever you know every once in a while you know it wasn't it wasn't like in mass like it was in 2016 2020 so that was an abnormal event and so that's kind of one of the things that we explored in this and one of the things that was taught to me by somebody

33:31you know that I trust was saying like if you get a word from the Lord and it's very clear and it's just a one-time thing usually that means that things are going to actually go pretty well like it's going to be pretty easy to get there as long as you just stay on that path but if you hear it over and over and over and over again it usually means you're going to have to fight for it so the fact that we have that many people hearing those words it should have clued us into the fact that this was going to be something that we were going to have to fight for and and reassert our authority as we the people one of the people you have in the film Hank Kuniman who's a friend I remember I was at some event and it must have been about a year after the election so it was it was probably really early like maybe 2021 or early 2022 I remember exactly when but I just remember somebody in the audience challenging him and saying you know you said that Trump was going to win or something or I think Michael Brown had been very critical of some of these profits

34:34you know in effect saying you said he was going to win he didn't win so now you need to repent and Hank Kuniman gave pushback and I didn't understand it at the time but I understand it now that you hear what you hear and you've got to try to figure out what do I do with it if I heard that Trump is going to I mean you know you want to know was there a phrase Trump is going to win Trump is going to win a second term what how do you interpret it but the fact is that I am convinced now that he did win in 2020 and that he was going to serve a second term starting in 2024 or in 2024 election so there's there's a lot there and that to me is always the issue is is what are people hearing what are they saying I mean there have been prophetic voices that I think have been very sloppy and unhelpful and I wish they'd shut up they're they're just I just don't see them helping helping the situation anyway well what else is in the film the film is called can you hear me now it's

35:36about the prophetic the last interview with Charlie Kirk can you hear me now film.com is the website but what else is in the film well it's it's my own personal journey kind of just you know unpacking some of the things these things asking questions we actually explore it from a scientific standpoint we explored from a historical standpoint not only a biblical standpoint but then also a good friend of mine William Federer is in the film and he you know kind of just talking about our Christian heritage and the fact that the Constitution of Connecticut was originally a sermon they held onto that Constitution it was established in the mid 1600s and they held onto that Constitution till the early 1800s before they rewrote it and so you know it's really hard to say pastors don't get involved in politics when you know it was his sermon that actually you know what's the law of the land in that state you know so there's a lot of things that he explores there which was which was fun and then Kelly

36:40Shacklefords in the film he was he's a first amendment attorney let religious liberties attorney and so he brought some amazing context around the whole separation of church and state along with Charlie and really it's just to me what the two main takeaways that I love people to take away from this film is one you can hear the voice of God you know the voice of God is it's not a mystical ethereal weird thing this whole prophet stuff is really actually quite normal and and actually does have some scientific and historical basis to it but also and and that you can actually hear the voice yourself you know these these prophets are gifts to the Lord gifts from the Lord that you know with somebody that's operating as a good or a true prophet is pointing to the Lord and is teaching you what he sounds like so you can begin to tune in yourself the other thing is that I would really love for the church to hear this and go wow God is actually speaking and is actually very active right now and we need to be a part of that conversation and especially going into the

37:43midterms you know making our voices heard and making sure that we get this country back on the right track because we had according you know based on your I mean all of the research that you've done I you know I've done a lot of research into our founding history and you know we have such a wonderful wonderful gift we were given a wonderful gift by those very brilliant men 250 years ago that completely transformed the trajectory of the world and I believe that we can still transform the trajectory of the world if Christians would just realize that we actually have to be a part of that conversation well yes and and realize that they have a duty to be a part of that conversation exactly again this is something that I've been talking about so much my book in the American Revolution I keep saying in these interviews that when I started writing it I had no idea really that it would be wall-to-wall Christians and Christian faith I mean the book is not about that it's just the telling of the story of the American Revolution but it's astonishing how it comes

38:47out of Christian faith and that has been whitewash that's been wiped away from from we're not teaching it and the fact is you don't have to like it you don't have to be a Christian but that is how you get liberty and self-government it's how America came into being so if you want to be honest intellectually honest you have to look at that and deal with that and think about that so this suggestion that somehow you can have all this you can have liberty and flourishing without faith I'd like somebody to show me how that's possible because you can't I don't know who called it a cut flower society but you have all the fruit but but if you're cut off from your roots eventually the plant dies the tree dies and and I really think that we need to get reconnected and everybody needs to understand that we have to be involved we have to bring our faith into the public square into the marketplace into politics we have we have an obligation and people need to understand that um and I know of course I know Bill Federer and Kelly Shackleford and they they understand this

39:49but there's so many in the church that still don't quite get this or they're going to churches that completely ignore uh this kind of thing and I say if you're going to one of those churches folks you better get out quick um we just got a couple of minutes left tell us more the film is called can you hear me now it's about the prophetic what when when did you get involved in the prophetic how old were you at what point did he yeah I mean I've always been around in churches that you know believe that you could hear God that God spoke through the prophets or you know through people as well as through individuals and through the scriptures you know they're basically just like God God can speak you know and so I've heard God speak to me through a song I've heard God speak to me driving along the road and having a conversation with him and praying to him and you know I can always point to the exact location where I was when I heard I've I've you know I've active imagination I've never heard seen open visions but I've you know had imaginations or sometimes God will highlight it date to me you know just things like that and so I think that the the the idea of

40:54understanding um you have to be open to the fact that God is speaking to actually hear his voice because if you don't believe that he actually does speak that way you're not going to hear it it's going to be like you're tuned into a radio that's just on this you know and you're not going to hear another station because you're tuned into the station that you're on and so it really is about tuning it over into that idea and going like oh okay God does speak and he speaks in a variety of different ways English is not his first language so he uses a lot of different ways to communicate to us and and you have to always bounce that off of what he said in the past you know it's like it's like this idea that he doesn't do it anymore is really weird for me as a father because I wouldn't tell my kids that I want to have a relationship with you but I'm not actually going to talk to you verbally I want you to read this book that I read wrote before you were born it doesn't make any sense but if I put house rules on my on my on my fridge and I say hey guys this is the kind of the law of the land and then all of a sudden I'm away and let's just say somebody reaches out to

41:55them on the phone and pretends to be me and says something contrary to what's on the fridge they're going to be like I don't think that's bad right we're good I'm afraid we're out of time the film is can you hear me now go to can you hear me now film dot com Matt there thank you thank you Eric always good to hang out with you buddy hey there folks as you know uh one of the sponsors this program and I feel very strongly uh about this particular sponsor is Grace precious metals uh I wanted to get to the CEO of Grace precious metals on the program Bill armor and I have succeeded promises made promises kept Bill armor welcome to the program thanks for having me great to be here um I wanted to talk to you about this thing called the everything bubble uh you're qualified to talk about it I'm not I I'm barely qualified to understand uh what you have to say but I know that it ties in uh to what we want to get to so tell my audience what is this thing that people are calling the

43:00everything bubble the caper ratio it uh stands for cyclically adjusted price to earnings and what that is it takes the what a company is actually produced over the last 10 years and then averages it against what that uh stock is worth and it creates a ratio out of that and historically that number for across the entire stock market will sit at something around 20 Michael a little higher Mike go a little lower but generally it's going to reside around 20 uh back in 2001 when we had the dot com bubble and the crash there it uh it jumped all the way up to 43 and then came cratering down to about 16 and that was where people saw 60 percent you know lost 70 percent in the NASDAQ uh 40 percent in the SMP so people across the board retirement savings were dramatically impacted so when you look at that you say okay well what's it at today Bill well today it's at 41 so it's the highest we ever had at bar 2001 and it's pointing to this this realization that we are getting so much fluff you know you slap AI on the front of a company's name and suddenly it's worth 10X uh

44:01you know multiples here so it's it's like the dot the dot com boom right I mean I remember this vividly because I'm older than you I mean I remember people you could just see people kind of going crazy for this and throwing money and through acting like you know we've discovered free energy or something like jump on we're all going to be billionaires and clearly this happens in history and you you say this is happening now with AI and that seems to be an understatement I mean it's kind of amazing how people are just going crazy over this acting like it's free money come on join us yeah exactly and I mean the scale of it I think is what should concern people because the NASDAQ was a 78% drop in 2001 and for someone that is looking to preserve their wealth you know maybe you're not 25 anymore you're looking you're saying hey I've got to make this last the rest of my life a 78% cut to what you have means that you probably have to go back to work and and that's I think the part that you know a lot of brokers and whatnot will not necessarily

45:04explain is the cyclicality that so we see these market crashes often we saw them in 2000 we saw it in a way we saw it in 20 around the sort of COVID drop there all of this together we're seeing this this cyclicality this constancy to the the market drops and so what does that mean for someone that has retirement savings it means that you are in a position where you need to think critically about what you're doing to protect preserve your wealth because the answers that were true maybe 50 60 70 years ago and just kind of trust the system are not true today we have 40 trillion dollars in national debt that's not a number that we would have even fathomed 50 or 60 years ago yeah it's kind of disturbing so once again precious metals gold and silver tend to be stable and it's why we're recommending them but it's but the reason I say go with grace precious metals and by the way people can go to metaxismedals.com folks if

46:06you need a website go to metaxismedals.com it'll take you to grace precious metals metaxismedals.com but I really I've been astonished at you know talking to you and learning about the business and how a lot of other gold companies they're they're playing this game and you can kind of see why they do it but it doesn't really mean it's okay or I would say if you have a choice I would I would avoid them you know it's just it's like dealing with a car salesman you just think like I understand why he's using these tactics on me but I don't have to like the tactics yeah exactly I would say there's two things here one is that you're right precious metals have been a store of value and they've done incredibly well through these turbulent market times so there is a lot of reasons to want to own precious metals and people are right to think that they're right to feel that way the other side of that though is you know how you go about purchasing precious metals

47:08is its own sort of dangerous journey and the problem is you just alluded to there is a lot of these companies out there will sell products with exorbitant markups they won't explain that to the client client will think that they're getting you know just gold and silver how how complicated can it be but in reality a you know a sort of a sleazy salesman has come in and pushed what are called semi-numismatic or numismatic coins which is just collectible so they're charging a massive markup for the design on the coin and that's just to be clear just to to solve for X so the theory or or the idea is that gold and silver hold their value but what you do what they're doing somewhat subtly is they're they're taking you into a realm where yeah you're getting gold and silver but you're now getting this other thing yes which doesn't hold its value which you're getting this other thing which is you know it's subjective a coin why you know we know how much it weighs

48:09we know how much gold there is but but the fact it's a beautiful coin it's a but so so they're bringing you into a realm that moves away from the whole point of it is that I'm getting something that holds its value it's gold and silver period yes yeah exactly you want you want ounces not designs so our goal here in our mission at Grace Freshers Metals is to get people the most ounces possible irregardless of how pretty the coin looks we want to find people basically the metal itself at the lowest premium lowest markup possible and that's where we're I mean we're better than than just about anywhere you can find when you talk about all in that's buying that's selling everything we're going to be you know I mean we're beating every so that's the encouragement I give to people if you want the best deal you want the most ounces possible that's where you're for if you're shopping around if you're a coin collector you know that's great probably not someone that we necessarily work with we're here to help people preserve well fire exactly like you said get the most ounces possible and that's what's going to be valuable and you look at silver was added

49:11to the critical minerals list here for this year you look at golds potentially being talked about as as backing the currency again in the future so you're looking at these metals are going to be valuable because of the weight they have the contents not the designs I mean silver the infrastructure that what we're using it for the amount we're using we're in sixth consecutive year of a deficit in terms of production versus usage we're draining the above ground silver supply when we get to a point where Samsung can't make a computer because they need silver they're not going to care what the design on that silver coin is they're going to want the metal itself so they yes they're not going to melt down mercury dimes ladies and gentlemen they're not going to melt they're not going to melt down the coinage they're not interested in that they just want the silver that's the value I'm always excited when I can understand something clearly so I'm particularly thrilled right now all right so Bill you've published a new free guide called the everything bubble people can get it

50:12at metaxis metals dot com folks you can find all this stuff at metaxis metals dot com have we left anything out or have we pretty much covered it no that's great I would just add that ultimately hear what that guy is going to do is it's going to give you in your own time you know take as long or short as you want to read through that it's going to explain the case on where the market is where the you know this everything bubble what that means what that could mean for your retirement what the options are what it looks like to purchase metals it will give you the tools here so that before you ever make a call to someone like race precious metals you're already going to have kind of all the information you would need to make a you know a defensible decision here a really a small decision and so our goal is to make sure that there's no pressure on on you there's no pressure on anyone that's picking up that guy we want them to make their own decision come to it their own pace and we're just here to be a resource all right and that's uh that's why we're working together bill I really appreciate that folks please go to metaxis metals dot com metaxis metals dot com

51:16bill armor uh thank you so much thanks so much