The courage to stand

0:00Welcome to today's broadcast of the last Top of the Dimer public. We're glad you joined us. I'm the host Reverend Bill Cook, founder and CEO of America's Black Road Regiment. My wife Judy is here with me. And we're excited to be part of the Morning in America out loud broadcast series on America out loud and hope you will join us weekly. As you say every week, if you wonder what the black road Regiment is, and it's a historic term that the British use to describe the pastors who fought in the Revolutionary War, the British regarded as the leaders of the rebellion. Today, the black road regimen is raising up craziest pastors to secure liberty to our own generation and the next. They are the last hope of this dying republic. And so thank you folks for joining us. Thank you pastor Ernie for joining us. We're so glad you're here. Thank you for inviting me. Yes, it's such an honor to have you. I'm just going to give you a brief background for those who are listing pastor Ernie Sanders served

1:02in the US Army. He was very active in the pro-life movements in the very beginning when they made their mission statement with Dr. Jack Wilkie. He helped save over 24,000 babies while standing up for their right to life. Pastor Sanders was a pioneer along with Martha Lippett in starting the homeschool movement in Ohio in the 1970s. That was the very beginning of the homeschool movement. He has pastor churches for 50 years and for five years, pastor two churches at the same time, which is very difficult to do. Pastor Sanders has written and recorded over 40 songs and has sent out over 40,000 CDs to his radio listeners. He has been on the radio coast to coast for 51 years. Pastor Ernie Sanders has been married to his lovely wife Ellen for 57 years. They share two sons, Timothy and Matthew and a grandson, Jacob. If you're wondering how he was able to do all that, it's because this young man is just 85 years young.

2:05He has more vigor and vim than most people over 20. Welcome to our show. We're such an honor to have you with us. Thank you for being here. I'm actually just 80. I wonder if she put that in there. Oh, I need you 85. Yeah. It was a great 85. We still look great for 80. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. You know, what we were talking about before as we went into here, I would just preach just what if the fact I think what my message is going to be what if the pastors that courage you were talking about courageous pastors, you know, obviously scripture tells you that judgment begins in the house of God and in that house it begins in that pulpit and the pastors are the ones that are responsible. And, you know, America's national sin is killing its children. It's a horrible sin. But somehow it's like, well, this isn't really that big a sin in Canada just

3:06now, just in Canada right now they have legislation where you can euthanize babies that are, you know, one or two years old and they want to pass the legislation they're working on that children. And I'm talking 9, 10 year olds if they get depressed and they feel like they're tired of living, they don't need their parents permission, they can kill them. And so this is evil. This is evil. We really went on a rant on Friday night, John met her and I on what they just did in Massachusetts. They just passed legislation. They celebrated. You had these people were having a party because the past legislation is saying you could kill a baby right up to the time of birth. The same thing happened in New York. I watched it. And the same thing that there's going on in New Jersey and Virginia is trying to put you the same thing. Yes. And California and California you can actually kill a baby now 28 days after he's born.

4:10Okay. So you say, well, I can't believe that it's too long. It's too long there. And so what I was what we were talking about is here's reality. God's word to Bible tells you, you know, if that beg in Genesis 9 verses 3 to 5, the entire purpose of divine human government was to preserve the image of God that being man. The entire fact, okay, it gives you five points of government. By the time you get to Genesis chapter 9 verse 7, the Lord has said three times now to be fruitful and multiplied, to be fruitful and well. What if we actually treated the word of God like we believed it? And the past is actually gone up because see what that tells you is that when you kill a child, God says, first of all, you deserve to die. You deserve to die. Second, unless you repent, you deserve to burn and hell forever. Now what we did of John McTurban

5:12and I, we prayed and precondatory prayers on Friday night. We asked God, we prayed to God that he would either bring the state legislator of Massachusetts and New York and Virginia to repentance or visit the very death, visit the very death that they want for the children upon their own heads. Now let me ask you a question, just think about this because you know the opposition. If you're one of those state legislators and you know that, I mean, you're not a believer but you do know that God does answer the prayers of his people and you hear a pastor on the radio praying that God would visit that very death of on your head. If you don't repent, do you think that might put the fear of God into it? It might, it would be, it certainly would be encouraged to repent in that direction, you know. Well, if the pastor's only had the courage to preach it to where it is and stand up, you know, over the years I've been

6:16arrested multiple times for going out in front of the abortion mills and preaching the word of God, just preaching the word of God. Now, I've exposed, they've actually put contracts on me and Cleveland, Ohio because I expose cops that were taking money from the abortion mill, they were taking bribes and I went on the air and what happened was in the one case I called the police because I was assaulted by two horse, they came up from behind me and they'd say, well, how do you know they were whores? All you had to do is listen to what they were saying, they were the dead and he's out. But they sprayed pepper spray and amaze in my eyes. So I called the police. The police came down, they sent two young cops out and I told them I want those girls arrested, they assaulted me. They go into the mill and these idiots actually could walk in on you know, 20 minutes later carrying an envelope or in their hands that

7:17I can see with cash sticking out of it. And I said, aren't you guys making enough as cops? You have to take bribes and they said, pastor, if they don't want to hear it, they don't want to hear it. They were laughing. Well, those two that recognize, I got their badge numbers, they had their badge in their names. And so I thought I would help them out. So I went on a radio and I said, folks out there listening, we got two officers that have to take bribes when they have borrows a mill for, you know, those, they were killing babies. And if you need security, let's just say you have cock fights, a dog fights, maybe child porn and you need police officers, got more, no morals, no values, will do anything for a dollar. I gave the phone number for the fourth precinct and that they're now. Well, what happened was two days later when I get back out to the preach again, there's two police cars sitting there. There's always one, but now there's two watching me. And one of them pulls up real slow. And police officers

8:20say, pastor, yeah, you said, see that car over there? I see it. They said, they're watching you. I said, they're always watching me. He said, oh, it's different this time. He said, they've got a contact on you. There's a contract right now that they want to kill you. And we're watching them. We're here watching them. Oh, thank God. Yeah, it was in because and they said, we want to thank you because they give all of us a bad name down here. Okay. Yeah. But we've had the battle. I've had the battle list for years. If the pastor see understood something, look, if you read in Hebrews chapter 13 verse 7 to 17, who is the king to go to? Who is the congressman to go to? Who is the senator to go to and say, what's sad? The Lord God. In other words, before they make their decision, you know, Romans 13, when he's talking about legitimate government, legitimate government are those

9:22who are in constant with the word of God. Yeah. There to go to the pastor in the pastor's to say to the president, the pastor is to say. And so if the pastor's really understood that, the authority they have, you know, when they haul me into court, the ACLU, the judge wanted to be on the appeals court. So he needed the vote of the ACLU. And so I was, I was going to be if he was to sell me, and this judge really hated to do that in a way, because he's been known to be pro life. But I was, I was what it took. If he could sell me to the ACLU, then they would vote for him. That was the deal it was made. I know because some of the judges, the judges, either my friends or my enemies out there, all of them. Yeah. And so, one when the judge awards the ACLU, he said, I'm asking to send his I'm ordering you to pay the ACLU in 20,000. He

10:26wanted me to give him 20,000. Okay. For what? And for because we were out at the killing center and they had charged me with criminal trespassing, you had to see this. I was totally at the other end of the abortion bill. And I had a McDonald's, a couple McDonald's coffee, the big cup and they had to blow in the white. And I was breaking that. And they claimed that that was a microphone or a megaphone I had. And I was breaking the ordinance. And so we are our lawyers brought in a television set and they sent it up to show you was clearly so the judge said, well, that didn't work Linda. That was not going to work. Then they brought this guy that said that I threatened his life. And I'm sending not 10 free from him on the front. And they breaking him out and they said, you know, pass your sentence. He says, yeah, I know him anywhere. He's a short Italian guy.

11:28The whole courtroom burst out laughing. Okay. I'm not short and I'm not to tell you the whole court. And so then they brought his girlfriend out when they brought his girlfriend out. They pointed. They said, that's him right there. Right. The whole court sell this. And she said, you know, a parent to send it. Yeah. He called me a whore and threatened to kill me. You know, I never spoke to her. I met as a person I ever saw her. Okay. But anyhow, that's what it was all about. So he awarded them a $20,000. I told him, I said, you might as well make it $20 billion. I won't give him $20 cents. He said, even if this court orders, I said, even if this court orders, I said, the Bible taches that away, oh, bad God, and not man. And you know it. And that applies to you too. And you know it. And he just just said this. And then what? See if the past just were bold. If they were bold, they were scared. You know Friday just

12:30coming Friday. I've got, I'm not going to be on the radio. I've got two judges that are sending in my place. Okay. They're going to take my place to do the program. See, two judges to replace one past. Yes. And if the past is only had the boldness, like you said, we wouldn't be the way it is. And they're the ones that have the responsibility more than anybody. That's true. Hey, man. So what happened in the end? Did you end up? But they have to go to jail because you didn't pay the 20,000. We took it to the appeals court. And my lawyer, Bob Lynch, he went in there. Now here's three on the appeals court, three Democrats, just three Democrats. And they're telling her Lidda, we want to give you the win. But you haven't given us any law. Constra Lynch here has given us nothing but the law.

13:30He used a case, a previous case about unions where a situation was the same way with a union freedom of speech. This and that. And what and what, what, what how the court had ruled in the past. He used that. And out of the three Democrats, two of them voted in our favor. And we won that case. But I wasn't a painter anyhow. She asked the judge. She asked the judge. She said, okay, I'm not a painter. You know, I don't have anything in my name. You know, I, I used to have a lot of rental properties. And then I put, but people were always trying to kill me. So I took everything out of my name and put it in my wife's name. Okay. Yeah. I've had several attempts. They shot at me twice. They tried to run me over. I got poisoned and they asked, they can't do anything to you. God's God is the one. He calls the time. That's right. And so we want we beat them in the end. And she came up to me and said, one of these days, she said, for

14:3325 years, I've been a half to you. And here's what she did. This is the ACLU the head. She went to West yoga high school. And then next to the school, there's a library, big library. And she had invited the senior class over there. And I stood outside the door. She didn't know I was there. I was just okay. You know, a few feet away from her. And I was taping her conversation. She was telling these children, these seniors, that you all your parents, nothing, you did not ask them to bring you into this world. They did it without permission. Your room is your area. Your dresses, your closet, your doors. If they go in there without your permission, you can sue your parents. Do you know that you can make good news? Well, I got that. I thought people should know that. Okay. That's true. Well, after I put that on an ear, hold in to

15:33God quiet after a while. Yeah. Oh my goodness. And that was in the Netherlands as well. Yeah. She was she was a Jewish woman had three Jewish husbands. They all three ended up die and leaving their wealth here. And so a lot of good, a lot of good battle to her. Well, sounds like Cleveland is a pretty rough place. We've been praying at abortion centers here in northern Virginia. Oh well, we started in the eighties and then moved out of the area. We've been praying pretty consistently in the last 13 years. We fortunately we haven't had anybody to try to arrest us or I guess to record, but we have seen three abortion centers close as a result of people being out there consistently with us praying and you would think that getting churches and pastors go to an abortion center and to pray outside to just pray they

16:35would close on a consistent basis and be their counsel women that are coming in to get abortions that it would be sort of a slam dunk that it'd be easy to get them to do that, but they won't do it. Yeah. We only have one pastor. He's a priest, a Catholic priest and he's the son of former Justice Scalia. And he goes out to this abortion center in false church for January, which is a suburb of Washington DC every Saturday morning at 630. And the reason the women are going on at 630 is because people have consistently been out there praying at 9 o'clock when they used to go in. So now they go in at 630 to avoid the crowd. But other than Fogus Scalia, no pastors have been out there for 13 years. Successful weight loss is about changing the gut brain relationship with food. I'm Dr. Kelly Victory with the wellness company. If you don't like needles, you'll love oral dissolving, tersepotide, Rx. This doctor design solution works by targeting the GLP1 and GIP receptors that influence appetite

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19:40Liberty, and Justice for all. Welcome back to the last hope of a dime. Republic, our guest today is Pastor Ernie Sanders, Pastor, Radio Broadcaster, Black Road Regiment Warrior, and the fight for the right to life and many other issues. His website, if you're interested, hopefully you are is... WWL.org WWL.org Which stands for What's Right? What's Left? And tell us what's Left came from. Matthew, chapter 25, in the Bible, those on the right will inherit the Kingdom of the Lord and those on the left. Well, they'll be bound and cast into Lake O'fire. And that's what you have today. If you believe in God, you believe in morals and righteousness, they call you a right winger.

20:41If you are the communists, if you believe in everything that God's word to Bible calls and abomination, you're on the left. And isn't that something that that would be prophesized over 2000 years ago there? And so, like I say, in chapter 32, it talks about those... If you look at that, the deliverable, and that they... It's just unbelievable how the hypocrisy of the deliverable of that day. If you ever hear of Pastor Jerry Wilkins... I'm not. He was with... He and him and I were good friends among... We worked together. He was very active in the pro-life movement. And he was with Martin Luther King, David. Martin Luther King, Jerry Wilkins and Ralph Abernathy were together. They were started that. And in the beginning, they both told me Abernathy and... Jerry that everything was straight on the up and up. Everything was on the up and up, you know, holding strictly to the word of God.

21:46Until the communists came in. And I said, well, who were the communists? And Jesse Jackson, he said, when he came in, he brought the girls and the drugs with him. And they told me how... Ralph Abernathy, they told me how... That Martin Luther King in the beginning used to say to Jesse Jackson, you got to quit that lion boy, you got to quit that lion. But he... I just said all that to say that... Jerry and I went down to what they called church square, church square here in Cleveland. And it's because you have several churches, black churches, they're black churches. And so I went down, we went down and we preached. I brought all kinds of literature on the right to life. And they... All these pastors they were going to... We're going to get out there, we're going to get out and take over. We're going to shut down the abortion mills there in church square. And we're going to go over to blood alley. Blood alley is shaker boulevard. It's here in... You may have heard of the shakers.

22:46That's where the shakers started there. But on... You had in two black areas, on four corners, all four corners, you had an abortion mill. And now there was four of them there. One of them out and another one came in all together, there was five. And I ran them all out. Except for one preterm. And that's Ohio's largest abortion mills, preterm abortion mill. I did run them out of public square. They were up in Cleveland down to where they're at now over there on blood alley. But... Blood alley. Yeah, that's what it's called. Called blood alley here because of the killing. We had some very interesting, exciting times out there on blood alley. And... You know, that's the other thing people would know that by doing the Lord's work by having the courage and the zeal, you can have a lot of fun too. In the way... Yeah, yeah.

23:47Yeah. I've had a lot of fun. I've done a lot of television programs and where I've gone up against the opposition. And God has just blessed me with the ability to turn them every which way to believe. Mm-hmm. Well, it's always fun to save a baby if you can talk to a woman, have her change your mind and go to the nearest crisis pregnancy center and know that she's going to choose life. That's a great, you know, that's a great blessing. Absolutely. You know, we have a woman named Amy Acton is running for governor. Amy is a wicked, wicked woman, very wicked. She was a part of a feeling of a plan parenthood. And when we had the COVID thing come up. She wanted to close all the churches, close all the churches, close all the crisis pregnancy centers, one close. She allowed abortion most to stay open. Yeah, she was, yeah, she was the, it was a surgeon general, whatever ahead of the, and she allowed the abortion meals, the liquor stores and the pot stores to stay open, but the churches and the crisis pregnancy centers had to close.

24:56We didn't close. I went on the air and I said, we're going to be open and we're going to be doing business because we're going to obey God and not Amy Acton. And, and, you know, and we did not want. Not one we were closed for a minute. That's great. Pastor Ernie, if we're sitting here listening to you and I'm, I'm discerning that you have a warrior spirit about you enough to, I think that's wonderful. And that's what it's going to take to end this genocide. We have not seen enough pastors who are willing to fight against this, this evil in our society. What's it going to take for the church to turn this issue around because we've got to end it. We don't end it. It's going to end everything good in America. I mean, the church will end. If the church will end abortion, the church is going to end well. Remember during the Revolutionary War when that started out of very, there was a very small percentage of the people were for liberty and independence. And you know that from Genesis to Revelation, God's words, the Bible teaches resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

26:03And failure to resist tyranny is disobedience. James 417 says, for those that noted good and do it not to them and it's sin. And so when what happened is when the pastors in that day, remember they said, no, we have to obey the king. And yet they knew that they just didn't have the courage to the vast majority. But when those when George Washington started out, you know, he started out with 300 men. And when that battle, when everything started changing, he started winning all these battles. And then those pastors, in fact, in this book here, it talks about some of those where you had brothers that were both pastors and how they, you know, one was for the king and the other was for liberty and how that turned around how they changed one by one and decided to follow in general George instead of King George. So it's going to take I guess courage, they have to see it.

27:07I say courage, definitely courage and probably willing to state lay everything down for for righteousness, you know, we're not going to get a country back without some sacrifice, you know, it's going to cost us something maybe everything. And Lexington, there was a pastor named Jonas Clark and he was hosting the night that Paul Revere wrote into town, you knocked on Jonas Clark's door. And Jonas Clark answered the door and staying with Clark that night were John Hancock and Sam Adams and who were both sons of liberty and the British were coming to arrest them, probably take them, put them away in stocks and maybe execute them. And Clark was considered as one historian said he was more dangerous than all the military stores and conqueror in the colony because he has so influenced the minds of the people with his calm and deep indignation. They when regulars came marching up the old turnpike on the gray dawn of April 1975, it found all the farmers convert it to a doctor and a liberty that aren't sustained a young nation for seven years of war.

28:07That's a pastor in my opinion and he had incredible courage when Paul Revere said said, insert will your people fight the pastor responded, I prepared them for this very hour. You see it actually helped to train the militia in Lexington. Pastor Clark had. It wasn't. Yeah, he wasn't a weekly. His election day servings in this book here and it's a good one and we're going to revest tell us the name of the book and the author is the chaplain's and clergy of the revolution by JT Headley. And the book was written a long time ago, it was written in back in 1800. So, but it's very, very accurate and well, I'm going to tell you those were men back in those days. You see men were men and women were women. We only had two genders back then. Yeah, that was days. And it worked out real good. Yeah. That's how we were able to multiply. Absolutely. How we were able to be fruitful and multiply.

29:13You know, we were talking about the insanity to think about this. You know, if you could get this mindset across the past, the people were up against in many, many ways. They're kind of criminally insane. Now think about when they talk about woke to on us and I listen about that. They had their convention in Chicago. First of all, these are the same people. They wanted to just now come out and they're changing the wording no longer are mothers called mothers. They can't be called. Or nursing mothers are breasts are called chest feeders. They're changing the terminology completely. And think about this. Think about this for a minute. Here you have people in Minnesota and California. They put tampons in the boys bathrooms. Now figure you are 10, 12 year old boy and you have tampons in your bathrooms.

30:17What is what is that telling you? Okay. I mean, this is absolute insanity. I hear back about a few months back last year, especially but early in the spring time. You had these women that were spending $2,000 to go out for a three day weekend, $2,000 to go for a three day weekend. They were out in the woods and scream at trees. They were out. We recorded their screaming. I mean, you'll hear the screaming. It's like you can hear hell and they're screaming. But they spent $2,000 to scream at trees. I got trees. I wouldn't let them scream down for a thousand or less. Okay. Now think of that. Well, do you think the trees care? I know. Then you have this past thing they did the things with the watermelons that a watermelon represented a white man that they didn't like.

31:19It was one of a white man that they didn't like, especially past. Most of the watermelons were truck with president Trump. They would take watermelons and they would beat them with ball bats and crushing them and then they would get relief from doing that. Oh my gosh. These are the enemy out there. What is the other thing? John, gospel John chapter eight, Jesus is what he was talking in the Pharisees and he said, your father the devil because you're the devil's children. He told you those that obey the will of the devil or his children. Well, yeah, or the devil's children. Okay. That's true. It's it's really. So we have to act like that. And you know, I can I can tell you sometimes you can have fun. We had this one woman we were out we were protested and abortion bill.

32:20And this red head of woman she stops in the street. She jumps out of her car. She runs up and she yells, this is my body. I said, I can see that and I feel real bad for you. I wish there was something to do to help you. And everybody burst out laughing at her. Okay. And that made the news. Okay. Oh my gosh. You made the news. So here here's here. Do you remember fellow Shaftley? Yeah. Yeah. She called me one day years ago and said, I'm going to stop the ERA and they said, there ain't no way that you're going to stop that. And she said, I need help. And she says, what do you say? I said, let's fight this fight. So I got into that with her. So they they were they were going to have on public square. She's pro life or pro abortion rally down there. And then they were going to burn these socks. There was this sort of yeah, they were certain men socks and on on the socks.

33:29It has things like strike a blow for mankind punch on a liver and these things on these socks. So they were going to burn the socks. And then they were going to burn their bras. And so. So I went down there. I've said, watch no, they were burning the socks. And so then they come time to burn their bras. And I said, women listen, listen to me. I know you don't like me. But please listen to me when I'm when I'm going to tell you here because this is for your own health and safety. I said before you burn those bras, take them off. It was like that's a good idea. Everybody first out laughing. That's the whole got out in the news out there. And then you can have some what would these people if you really would feel every now and then like it did even a hot turn. So a truffle.

34:29I had when I was young back in the early days in radio, I'm one of the last left for the original deal guys. I was the only you can count on one hand, all conservative talk shows in the country. Back there, we got into it with the far left here. And I mean, I used to go really go out of I don't know if you ever heard a Gary dig Gilbert. He was number one dish. I keep it three years in a roll. All of America. Him and I usually get into it. Oh, a number of these others and I would go on their programs and they would go online. And because I was young, they thought to take the take advantage, but God just blessed me. And every time, you know, I just he just spoke through me and I was able to really turn them inside out on that. Yeah. So if you have my point, I'm saying all this is just to say, if you just really love to be obedient to the Lord, if you just well, Bayham, if you really want to hear those words, well done, my goodness, papal servant, you know, and your heart is in there. God, a bless you. He will. Yes. Amen.

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38:05And thanks for having me and our website is BRR USA dot org. Black robe regiment. I love it. Well, we were talking during the break about some things that are going on on the right and the left. Particularly you were mentioning Tucker Carlson. We've not sure if he's on the right or the left. You want to share some of the things you were sharing during the break. I preach the message to why the world hates Israel and do the wrong. 28 God starts out with talking about all the blessings. All the blessings that Israel would receive that they'll only be obedient to see from Genesis to revelation. Bill, you know the number one thing that God asked or insists on is obedience. And so he goes and then he tells them all of these things that they could have.

39:07And then he goes into all the curses that they would receive if they're not obedient to him. I mean, and there's some pretty very, very harsh punishments in there. In fact, he hear the harshest punishment that God had put on anyone is what in America is our is our national center. He's killing the children. He reduced them to cannibalism to cannibalism to where they had to eat each other because of their sin. And so we talked about why why does the world hate Israel? Well, God tells you in there that he will make them because of their disobedience. He will make them a curse to the nations and here and just think about it here. Not only is the United States of the church supposed to be the church divided on Israel, the left is to the right.

40:12So you have those of us that we're up. We have some major problems with people that you know that have become totally anti Israel. First of all, let me just say this. Israel is a very, very rebellious country. Israel for its size or its population. It has the highest abortion rate. It's got the highest prostitution rate. Child pornography. Israel for it is very, very sinful people like America. And also they just had their LGBT, their saturday might the biggest saturday might gather in and two of them they had one in tele v and they had one right there on the shores of the Dead Sea right where saturday morning. And you know what they you know what they called that gallery in the head they called it the burning they called it the burning.

41:16Unbelievable. Yeah, it is. I mean, the the sin was horrible. I mean, just horrible. And same thing in America. But now here's what I'm telling because friends of mine who should know better they want me to condemn Israel for doing this. Look at me out. But here and they want to come against the Jews. God says that he will punish Israel that he will judge Israel. God says keep your hands off Israel. I will judge Israel. Now that's all I need to hear him say to me once I don't need to hear twice. Right. So. So I take him to show him a scripture. Here's what God says. Yeah. And it's somehow people that shouldn't know better don't seem to know better. But on the left they're divided to you have a big division. You just had the attorney general there. Michigan who is very corrupt woman very corrupt. Yeah, but she's a Jewish woman that she said she couldn't go she was afraid to go to the convention there in Chicago being a Jew.

42:30She was afraid that that made the hurt to my life might be in danger because she's a Jew. You have people like Bill Marr who's a Jew. But here's something that I find out the most anti-Semitic people I've ever met, including the ones that were within my own church are Jewish. Yeah, they're Jewish like like George Soros for example, okay. And these and these others. I know several people that are totally anti Israel totally anti-Semitic and they're Jewish. You know, so it's like again, it's the insanity. There isn't. Yes. Yeah. It is it is insanity. What what are you saying earlier about Tucker Carlson and his position lately? I have a problem even in my own church. Okay, I have people that follow Tucker Carlson and these others very anti-Semitic. Okay, we had I mean it went into a battle in the war.

43:36I got someone who I thought were we're like family to us in our church. They left and they called me a Jew loving Zionist. Okay. Yeah, it's not funny. It's crazy. No, it's what's going on for sure. Yeah, at least not. Did you know, but I mean this is serious. This is happening all over our own son is who is the solid Christianist now taking the same kind of viewpoint. This way. I know it. And it's all because of Tucker Carlson. Okay. It's been been around for three years, but Carlson as he just came out now and said that Trump needs to be removed. Okay, you just came out. I got that. Yeah. As you said that. That's incredible. But it's it's it's gray grease. It's it can this so in stuck with Carlson. You know, I was one of the first ones to put Alex Jones under radio. I was the first one. Really? What do you think of him? Well, Alex is going anti Israel, but he's not anti Trump. The other. I thought others are going both anti Israel and anti Trump. Okay.

44:46Tucker Carlson is going off. He is going off the deep end. I know there's a number of applications at the first year on chapter two where he talks about. They came off from us, but they were never part of us had. They've been part of us. They wouldn't continue to with us. And that and there's an application there, I think to to that to monitor and do. But all of these people like Tucker is selected. It's like that they were there waiting, just waiting for the time to come out to time. I don't think he's going to be happy. You have a number of these other people like Candace Owens. I'm not a cheesy. You know, I could never. I preach the message on for family while back. I never thought I would ever hear these women. You know, when I was growing up, you never heard a woman. I mean, that would use those words. They're out there dropping the up on everyone else. Okay.

45:56My own senator here from Ohio. I actually had a senator hearing an internet hearing and he's very, very conservative helping him. He dropped the envelope and a senator hearing, you know, I played these clips on the radio. I couldn't play that. No, but they're doing it that they have group they call the squat. The one that's called the leave on there. He was a, she stand there with a 10 year of boy next to her and she's dropping. She's speaking. And dropping them all over. Okay. Yeah. This is these are all signs of the last days. All signs of the last day. Yes. In fact, that's what I'm preaching on now. I started out with second Timothy, chapter three. And you'll notice something, Bill. The second Timothy three. In Romans one, you have a lot of the same after music, character, dressings in Romans, chapter one. The differences in Romans one, they're talking to everybody.

47:03But in second Timothy chapter three, he's speaking within the church within the church. And you have that. Okay. So these, these are the days that we are seeing. I believe the unsealing of the book that Daniel spoke about in Daniel 12, three of four. And then where knowledge was going to be increased. I mean, right now, you, I remember, I remember the first computers, but I went into the military. The computers were the size of refrigerators. Okay. Yeah. Now this thing has more functions than those computers. Right. Yeah. But at back then, knowledge was being increased. They said knowledge would double within every 50 years. Then now it's when every couple hours. Yeah. Yeah. Double hours knowledge is doubled. Now you didn't say the truth would be doubled. He said knowledge and boy, there's a lot of on the internet. That's not the truth for sure.

48:03But we're seeing the unsealing. He said that's the unsealing of the book. We're thinking. I was thinking this morning. So I woke up, you know, the verse in the book of Thessalonians for Paul is writing to the church and put Seth, that's all like a. And he says he talks about a time coming when God is going to send strong delusion on people so that they will in order to make them believe a lie. So they might all be damned. Do not perceive did not receive a love of the truth, but believed in lies. You know, it's amazing that God is going to foster the belief in lies that people are going to embrace that they could be saved, but they're not because they're embracing lies. They're not going to be the truth. So they're being, you know, God sending them to the illusion. He's giving in what they want. Well, you know, if you read nice day at chapter 66, verse four, because of their sin, you know, God says your sacrifices and your religion is false because of what you're doing.

49:04I will choose your delusion. I will choose your delusion. Now think about that. We got people screaming at trees out there. The smash and watermelons. God hasn't chosen their delusions out there. I mean, if you ever, if you ever seen those Harris, Kamala Harris talk, talk about the school bus. Okay. Yeah, I couldn't believe that her yellow school bus. I mean, unbelievable. And she was ready for president. Yes, absolutely. I have a question for you. You were talking. I want to go back to what you were saying about Israel being so evil in our time. Of course, we know that there are Jews who are believers. We know that there are metzianic Jews in Israel. I heard Tucker on a podcast just this week. It was a recorded podcast somebody sent me.

50:07And with she saying, evangelical Christians are saying that Jews don't need Jesus to go to heaven because they're the chosen one. Like, I don't know of any evangelical Christians that are saying that Jews will get to go to heaven because there's no way they can go to heaven. There's a chosen people. He is actually saying that if they they can go to heaven, even if they don't believe a question. We are not, we are not to witness to the Jews. Now, also to the Jew first and then to the gentle. We're not to witness to the Jews. Okay. Because he believed they're going to go to heaven without knowing Jesus. Yeah. Anybody else saying that? You know, here's the thing. I was in Israel and I was talking to a group of orthodox Jews. These are orthodox Jews. And they told me that we're not stupid. We recognize Jesus Christ is Messiah. That Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Okay. They recognize that they recognize Isaiah 53.

51:13But, but, but after saying that, then they say, by believe in your faith in Christ and by keeping the laws of Moses, then, then, then you will have salvation. You get to heaven, but you have to do both. You have to keep both the laws of the Old Testament and the Messiah. But they won't like we say, well, let's, let's look at this. Let's study this. Let's sit down and see what the word of God actually has to say, you know, both in the Torah and the New Testament. They won't do it. They will not do it. Okay. Wow. In fact, they'll get angry at you, even for asking you to do it. And so, so, so word. Why should we, I'm just going to play that devil's advocate. Why should we be praying for Israel and believing for them to come to Christ? Because God tells us to write them off as a central nation.

52:14Because God tells us to go back to Genesis 12 verse three. Okay. Those that bless Israel. Okay. That was it. Abrahamic and covenant. Those that are a blessing to Israel. Now, remember, not always real Israel. Remember what the apostle Paul says, not all of Israel is Israel. Remember what Jesus said there in Revelation. Chapter three that does the say they are Jews, but are not there of the synagogue of Satan. Jesus and Paul both speak about the seed of Abraham, which are all Jews, but then they've talked about true Israel is the sons of Abraham. So, there's a big difference between the seed of Abraham and the sons of Abraham, all the Jews in the sea, but only those that are saved. And they'll tell you that in Zachariah chapter 13 verse nine tells you that those one third, one third of Israel will receive Jesus Christ, those are sons of Abraham. They are true Israel.

53:18They will receive Christ just like a church. What would you say? I would say maybe, maybe today most, the one is called the church in America. Maybe maybe 20% of the most are actually Christians. That would be my opinion. What do you think? I'd say that's probably a pretty safe estimate. I would tend to agree without judging any specific person, just because a person says their Christian doesn't make them one. Well, you have all the apostate denominations today. Oh, yeah. No, no. For sure. It wouldn't be more than that percentage. Well, we appreciate your coming on with us today, Pastor Sanders. And we just want to repeat again that your website is WRWL.org. If you have a radio show, people can access your radio show.

54:18They can go to the word cleveland.com anytime of day and hit Pastor Sanders. Pastor Sanders has a lot to say and a lot of different topics. And we just encourage you to go listen to his radio shows. And if you want to hear more about America's Black Road regimen, go to BRRUSA.org. Go to our website. You want to encourage pastors to do that. We have a document on our website called the Gideon's 300 pledge. We're trying to get pastors to sign that pledge. And Pastor Ernie, we'd love to have you sign it. The more pastors that get on board, they're basically committing to do the things that are necessary to turn this country around and save it. Sign me up, Phil. I'm all in. I'm 100% in. I've had a Black robe hanging there from my office now for years and said somebody said. I'm going to go buy a black robe because I'm getting ready to get get a PhD from the organization here in northern Virginia.

55:19Tell us a name of that book again about the 100 stories about the Black robe regimen from the historical era of the revolutionary war. The chaplains and the clergy of the revolution by JT Headley. And it is a dynamite. It's absence. 100 election day sermons in this book from different pastors. That's what we encourage pastors. One election. We learn about the puppet of the American Revolution. Go to the web and do a Google search on on puppet of the revolution and start to read the documents that come up. You're going to find a ton of documents related to the American puppet during the American Revolution and the seminal role that pastors played in the founding of this nation. They were more responsible for the founding of America than really the amendment called the founding fathers worth. Absolutely. Thank you for being with us today. Pastor, and it's been great. A great show. Look forward to doing this again very soon.

56:21I'm coming on yours either one time. You want me back. I'll be glad to come. That's great. God bless. God bless you. Thank you so much. Both of you. Have a wonderful wonderful Labor Day. Thank you. Thank you. All right. And so what did what did Ben Franklin say to the woman who said what have you gotten us? What kind of government have you gotten us? And he said, are we public if you can keep it?