The Choice S5E6: Reunions

0:00The badlands, you want to get the badlands, explain those badlands. That's a hell of a name. Oh, well that's weird. Good morning everyone and welcome to the to the to the choice. Season five, episode six of The Chosen is what we are talking about this this morning. Sorry it's evening when we're recording this and I'm really trying to be in the appropriate time of day but it's just convobulating and uh show episode is called Reunions. I thought it was good, I thought it was entertaining. I think there's some stuff in there that's a little bit of filler, a little bit of filler. Like the plot between Atticus and Caffney seemed weird. Like what was that all about? Yeah yeah yeah it is a little strange it's like Atticus I don't know it's like Atticus trying to manipulate I mean maybe there'll be a payoff on that in the next season.

1:01Yeah I mean it was a lot of drama right he was uh they burst in last episode they burst in and you know there was a scuffle and they got him and they arrested him and the entire point was to tell him to keep doing what he's doing. Yeah yeah that's well it was kind of like to establish it felt like it was like to establish that Caffney worked for him now like Atticus was like yeah it was kind of like what the CIA probably does they're like all right yeah you work you work for us now like if you if you ever don't do what we want you to do we will just destroy your life um and you will just you will throw you a deep dark pit you know but we're nobody can ever find you um so that's what it kind of felt it felt like that's what was happening and Caffney definitely was like like spiraling I think that was I think kind of what I pulled from it is that it was less about Atticus I mean it was about Atticus but it was less about Atticus and more about Caffney because I feel like

2:02Caffney um kind of represented like unbridled like rage and like like the desire for revenge and like I feel like that's a huge that's a huge uh like development and for Christianity like Christianity was a big turning point for that because I feel like especially in modern Judaism who revenge is almost like a foundation stone of like what Judaism was all about um and at least in the modern context the way that the way that the application of it and maybe in the rabbinic uh traditions and whatnot I don't know but um god specifically said vengeance's mind so it was never a biblical principle but all of it all of it and pervert but but the way that the rabbis talk about it in in the context of like this story like the way that that that they talk about revenge the way that um I mean the way that obviously Israel was deeply conflated with Jewish identity today and then just the way that uh the Talmud talks about revenge and the way

3:06that like Netanyahu talks about revenge it just seems like revenge is um absolutely like the drop like probably like one of the most important and driving principles in modern Judaism I would say I was I think that's a fair assessment at least as it relates to Israel and like Talmudic Judaism it's like without revenge what would what would modern Judaism have you know it's like this idea like this I this identity that's around you know what happened in the Holocaust what happened since the Holocaust what's happening now in Israel is real having the right to quote unquote defend itself which is you know very much um get revenge on anybody who's ever hurt them you listen to their politicians speak and they literally say if you flick us we will come back and kill you know destroy your entire village um they talk like so I think that from that standpoint Jesus coming out and talking about revenge being such a destructive force and being such a

4:10terrible thing and something that you shouldn't pursue and how you should turn the other cheek and how there should be grace and mercy forgiveness um and that rip that really in my opinion is the foundation stone of Christianity uh from from a first principle standpoint um and when you see what it's done the Kafne here uh in the way that Atticus completely dismantles Kafne using Greek logic like using the principles of Greek philosophy which as we've seen in this show but also um you can see it elsewhere in in Jewish history is completely repudiated by like like um the Sanhedrin like they consider the Greeks to be complete perverts um they hate Greek philosophy um and then you even hear you even hear Kaifus and how he he's like all these morons are falling for you know the the the socratic method the of Jesus you know asking these questions because they

5:12haven't studied Greek philosophy they don't understand you know the the the seduction techniques that Jesus is using because it's it because it's a Greek technique um and so there's a lot like my takeaway from and I'm getting along with you here my takeaway is like a few things the revenge but then also this idea that Jewish philosophy at least as it's told through the Isma Sanhedrin is very emotion based it's very much like emotions it's very much like the like rabbinic law like the adherence to that the like the adherence to this thing that they've created which is very much an earthly master that these six hundred and thirteen laws um versus Greek philosophy which is very much like seeking that one truth like seeking truth seeking you know logic reason that thing and the way that Atticus and we'll watch the scene but the way that Atticus completely

6:14picks Kaif Neaport and he's just like you have taken your daughter's death and you've made it completely about yourself yeah and and and then right after that happens he goes to his wife and his wife's like I'm leaving like I'm leaving you because you you've become such a loser now that um this is completely consumed you and your entire identity now is getting Jesus and has Atticus points out he's like if you actually wanted revenge you would go after Quintis but you're a and you can't get your hands on him so you're going to go after Jesus who you know is completely defenseless and is not going to defend himself against you yeah I mean I I think the the one bit of that that I would push back on is I don't think that vengeance is a feature of just modern Judaism I think it is a feature of humanity and that desire that desire for um you know the self-interested desire particularly when people feel like they're the victim right why does our

7:18why does our society prioritize victimhood so much globally and it and it and it does but reparations is seeking vengeance um the I think you know a lot of these narratives that we have that go back you know a hundred or a thousand years to the crimes of the past the reason that you know Jesus is different than literally everything else is because of what you said like that sacrificial aspect of it the distinction of Jesus is the blood it is the the the blood to a tone for the sin of the world and that's where the connection to Judaism is pronounced but again I think they're the example right of humanity and I think that that's what God did with the Jews throughout that's you know he's um when when he when he talks about them being chosen he didn't

8:18choose them because they were the greatest or the strongest or the best looking or whatever right the craftiest or whatever he um he chose them because it would it would be so obvious to reveal his glory through them because they weren't all those things right they weren't case study right and so when they're living them back to you know Deuteronomy when they're living in the protection and provision prosperity of the Lord when they're seeking the Lord when they're when they're trying to walk in relationship with their God nothing can touch them effectively and they are um you know elevated and whatnot and speaking historically like and you know biblically historically when they aren't when they want to be more like the other cultures when they run after the other cultures when they intermarry with them intermingle with them accept their customs accept their gods and you know ultimately sacrifice to their gods that's kind of the logical end

9:19state when they're in that posture they're also the example because the example is to rely upon God to seek God seek first his kingdom and his glory and all things will be added to you doesn't say you know build your kingdom using my name and I'll make sure that all of all of that your wishes are granted right and that's kind of how it's been inverted and you know Judas was looking for the same thing in in a sense as Kafne his was just more you know kind of zoomed out big picture but they want vengeance against Rome Simon when Jesus met him was in the same posture Simon Z as well both of the Simons right want they they they they want to enact what they think the punishment should be on the you know whoever's wrong them and that's that's inherent in all of us and so I think it's you know it it it it is as we analyze the show and analyze

10:29current events in the context of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ which is what we do so you know on the show it would it always goes there even if we tried to stop it we can't we can't do that it's important I think to remember that they are the example of humanity and to the you know the the kind of central premise of the philosophy of Judaism rabbinical standpoint or not even Judaism but from you know the the Old Testament philosophy of the Jewish people was obedience God's God's philosophy has always been obedience I'm God obey me recognize me as who I am and we're incapable of it and many we're incapable of it and every single human that ever came since them was incapable of it the the the the end state the the goal the objective of this you know prison planet is to figure that out and glorify God because that's the that's the aim and how do you glorify

11:36God by obeying him and that's really all he asks of us is to recognize him as who he is and do our best to obey and come to him when we don't and so that's the thing is they've taken that that framework for obedience the law right and have turned it in a way for themselves to be obeyed not forgot to be obeyed they want themselves to be obeyed and if they're you know if you disobey them then you're not glorifying them and it's a complete and total immersion yeah yeah okay before we get into the last supper scene which we always start with here in season five we are going to hear first from our friends at tamarack as we get older our bodies don't always bounce back the way they used to years of processed foods toxins and stress can leave us feeling sluggish and achy but we don't have to accept that fate our bodies were truly created to heal we just need to give it the right conditions a tamarack garden our handcrafted remedies made for

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19:04do you have the powers now yes I do perfect what is that supposed to mean well who is and who isn't I have earnestly desired to eat this meal with you before I suffer this is our last Passover together on this earth before we celebrate it again on all is fulfilled in the new kingdom I would ask how long that will be but I know the answer you will understand but first blessed are you Lord our God king of the universe who brings forth bread from the earth

20:22normally this bread is to remember and celebrate our redemption from Egypt into the promised land from slavery into freedom to night we celebrate your redemption from sin because of me take and eat it this is my body which is given for you do this and remembrance of me blessed are you Lord our God king of the universe who creates the fruit of the vine

21:32normally the wine allows us to remember and celebrate the blood of the lamb spread on the door post of our ancestors but tonight likewise this is my blood of the new covenant shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins drink it all of you in remembrance of me I am the true vine and my father is the vine dresser every branch in me that does not bear fruit

22:37he takes away and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes that eat me bear more fruit abide in me and I am you as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine neither can you unless you abide in me I am the vine you are the branches whoever abides in me and I in him he it is that there's much fruit for apart from me you can do nothing if anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers and the branches are gathered thrown into the fire and burned if you abide in me and my words in you

23:42ask for whatever you wish and it will be done I this my father is glorified that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples as the father has loved me so I have loved you abide in my love you these things I have spoken to you that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full you

24:49rabbi could you smile at me it's nothing no it's just that rabbi earlier I may have watched some of your feet but not all of you are clean what are you saying as scripture has now been fulfilled he who has eaten my blood has lifted his heel against me what

25:55truly I say to you no one of you will betray me someone at this very table someone in this room who one of you brothers who tell us who and we will bind them and get again and throw them in a plate so he can't do it a son of man goes as a district of him but woe to that man by whom the son of man has betrayed it would have been better for him if he had never been born just say who it is and we'll make sure that man wishes he'd never been born

26:56you I need a moment what um okay so the the scene of the the last supper itself um we have we

27:56find in luke 22 starting at verse 14 and when he uh and when he the hour came he reclined at the table in the apostles with him and he said to them I've earnestly desired to eat this pass a pass over with you before I suffer for I tell you I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God and he took the cup and when he had given thanks he said take this and divide it amongst yourselves but I tell you that from now on I will not drink the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes and he took bread and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them saying this is my body which is given for you do this and remembrance of me let and likewise the cup after they had eaten saying this this cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood but behold the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table for the son of man goes as it has been determined but woe to that man by whom he has betrayed and then he goes into the I am the true vine uh speech which we find in john thir uh john 15

29:06and this was verbatim pretty much so I'm not going to read it but uh it was john 15 verses 1 through um 11 although they cut out a couple verses so they cut out verse 3 which um it says you know every branch that does bear fruit he prunes that it may bear more fruit that's verse 2 and then verse 3 says already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you they took that out uh in the chosen script so not sure why um but then verse 10 if you keep my commandments you will abide in my love just as I have kept my father's commandments and abide in his love they took that verse out as well and um I was reading the bible artists analysis of the episode and he took real exception with them detaching the I am the vine from the next part that starts in verse 12 which is this is my commandment that you love one another as I have loved you greater love has no one than this that someone laid down his life for his friends the way that chosen did this is they split it across

30:10two episodes right so that part we heard them talking about in episode 5 um but the the purpose in the new you know we were talking about this at the top of the show of kind of the distinguishing characteristic of Christianity is that your life will look like the life of ministry of Jesus Christ it will be that sort of it he washed their feet which we'll see next next week um but he he you know he he showed them how it how they how they were meant to be took glorified God and it was to to be humbled on earth and to not elevate yourself and that's the real inversion that we see throughout the story specifically in the way it's being told by the chosen is the um and I think it's just human nature as we talk about all the time but it the the inversion of um you know seeking seeking your own glory and your own kingdom instead of his glory in his kingdom you're muted uh yes um agree well said um

31:19um the the stuff about one of you you know one of you is not clean that that we find in John 13 um and uh I think you know for as far as the last subracing so I um I have a fever confession to make in that I uh I couldn't stop and I watched the whole thing so I know I know what happens now if you begin yeah yeah yeah yeah that's fine that's fine um no problem there um yeah so number one we have to call out the disciples for being complete and total dogs um how they couldn't figure out in this moment who the traitor was is beyond me I mean they they were sitting there arguing like hours before this or maybe it was a day before this they were sitting there arguing about stuff and when Judas was like oh well maybe he's not the Messiah they were looking for a new Messiah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well like we'll go look for a new Messiah they were like dude you've

32:21been saying stuff like one of them called him out for being like a black pillar for a while like you've been blackpilling for a while Mountboro so it's like they were aware that Judas was being like a like a douchebag for a while and uh they acknowledged that and then he says like we can we can like you know once we figure out what's what we can just continue looking for the Messiah yeah and then the look on Judas's face like as is all happening you like it's all over his face the the actor playing it does a great job with it how do they not figure out that it's Judas it's like of course it's Judas and and like Jesus even like keeps looking at him you know as he as he's like speaking uh yeah I mean there's a bunch of dogs y'all are dogs um the fact that they set the table for the set they set the place setting for John was awesome um I don't know if you picked up on that but they did there was like a plate like like when it was you know it was flashing back and forth between Jesus's perspective and their perspective and even when it went to their

33:24perspective when like he wasn't there the place that was still there um yeah and that's a reference to the Elijah to come look at that um that verse I thought I had that in here but I like the way that they had John looks so restored you know he wasn't all mingle then you know yeah birdie and locusty like everything he was yeah he had he had he used beard oil he used the yeah it was this that was that was the earliest uh sausage-closed or beard oil application for it um but it said he uh he says where is that moment where he says um these things I have spoken to you that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be full that's a John 15 verse um 11 and they cut immediately to John showing that he he does it his job is done you know he he was the

34:26the voice in the wilderness preparing the way for the Messiah to come and the Messiah has come and John took a took a took a lot of heat right literally lost his head um and I love in this is foreshadowing but in the and it gets the the last episode of the second the second the second to let it's the second to last episode so it'll be next weeks all right six seven eight yeah next weeks episode um where they do the flashbacks and you get the flashback of uh Andrew and John and big James with John the Baptist and you know kind of seeing seeing how I don't really know I have to study that one more feel like it was a little bit more like um what life would be like without Jesus but part of it too was you know where they were when Jesus found them the ones that we didn't see that story already so anyway we'll talk about that next week but um or the week after if ghost and

35:32I don't get a chance to record next week's episode before Tuesday of next week so just stand by everyone there might not be an episode we're gonna try but if we don't then you have two episodes to look forward to after guard before we do the season recap um but I just I like the way that they did that it was like a like a fullness like his joy John the Baptist joy is full he ran the ran the race and finished the course and persevered until the end and he is um you know restored now his joy is full yep yep um yeah and then and then they of course like because this is all like going backwards it the scene starts off with Thomas saying like who is and who isn't so like that's like a that's like a it's like a Cliffhanger at the beginning of the scene yeah um okay so and just on the on at the Passover you set a place for Elijah that's a part of the tradition

36:35and and John is the there's a there's a verse and I will find it while you're setting up the next scene but there's a verse that talks about the Elijah that is to come which is what you know in the Christian tradition considered to be John the Baptist okay so they so the place the place thing they set was for Elijah technically yes but it was John and that was like fulfilling that's like the Christian the Christian tradition okay that makes sense all right um remember when um Mary held her first satir dinner or her first not her satir but her first Sabbath Shabbat she held her Shabbat and she mistakenly I think it was mistakenly set a place for Elijah and she chose up at her house right but it was that that is a that that is a hang on it's a malachi that's it so it's malachi verse four chapter four verses five through six behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord and he will turn

37:38the hearts of the fathers to children and the hearts of the children to their fathers less I come and strike the earth with a curse and uh that is I think that's the last book of the Old Testament isn't all right it might be my my my my my my my big gimmick stuff hang on I'm gonna fact check myself yes malachi is the final book of the Old Testament not that they were you know written in the way that they're presented but nonetheless um that's that's the deeper meaning of that hold on the Baptist thing is that he was in that seat got you okay so beautiful restored yes um okay so so the main I would say that like this episode mostly focuses on Nicodemus I think Nicodemus is kind of like the central plotline so to speak of this of this episode along with you know Judas just like like the the the turning of Judas I think like they show you that moment um of him

38:44so just gaining with Caiaphas I wrote my summary for this discussion that we haven't had yet already okay um I put you know like a blurb in my sub stack about all the shows of the week and so I wrote and the way I described this was it was an episode of secret meetings because you have so Nicodemus and Mary you have Atticus and Coffney and you have Judas and Caiaphas that are all you know kind of having these off and again I'm not sure all of them are super purposeful to the plot but well you also have Nicodemus and Yusuf and that's in my opinion I love that scene that one's like the one that's worth watching because I I even clip that scene I sent to the group I've been trying to get burning bright to watch the show because I think if we watch the show he'll read the Bible but agreed but um that scene is like up the application of that scene to like what's happening right now like I like I wrote out the entire list of like here all the things that are happening in the scene that are also happening right now in real life and it's like it's like

39:47it's like a dozen things um including Nicodemus going through huge decodes trying to figure out what's going to happen next by decoding you know scripture and looking at current events and that's like and then at the end they're like well should we do something or should we keep decoding oh we're going to go back and keep decoding yeah yeah so it's um but we will watch that scene but let's see let's run through the Nicodemus uh potline first I think that one's like the name is Samarie we're just Nicodemus in general like it like the whole Nicodemus scene is he like he's been missing this entire time like you made the point of saying that well he's off the show now after season two um two one wasn't it wasn't at the end of season one it was season one yeah yeah it was just yeah um I think he made me like a brief appearance or something but yeah you're right season one um but so now we learn what he's been doing this whole this whole time and I see what he's what he's been doing is he went to uh what's it called some place Bethel yeah Bethel he goes to Bethel

40:52he was um and then he comes home and so we we get a flashback now eight months before and you kind of see like his falling out with the Sanhedrin um because it's pretty clear he's like having a falling out with them and um he hasn't given up on the system to the point you made last week he hasn't given up on the system yet but he certainly recognizes the evil that the the individuals that are in the Sanhedrin have come to represent the fact they can't be trusted yeah so we ended last episode with Nicodemus showing his face to Mary of magna Mary magna and he um had her kidnapped right like Matthias is like put this bag over your head it's gonna be fun he told me he told me you were going to be difficult who told me who told you I was going to be difficult don't worry about that now just put this bag over your head your head yeah so um we see that and then we see that it's it's Nicodemus that has kidnapped her

41:57and it's Nicodemus that has been directing Matthias who we find out is the lurky character um yeah by the way like like absolutely abysmal decision making by Mary to go along with that ladies if you're ever told by a guy to put a bag over your head and get in the trunk of a car yeah don't do it please don't do it unless the Holy Spirit tells you it's okay yeah it would be difficult that would be a that would be a difficult one um but we so so we see we we end last episode with them coming face to face and then we kind of start in the same place with them you know but we but we get this this can a very long flashback so of Nicodemus returning from his trip to Bethel and it's nine months before where we are in the story so nine months before right now in the story where he's meeting with Mary Magdalene he comes back and he's completely unaware that John the Baptist is dead

42:57that Jesus has made a name for himself to Jerusalem and that Caiaphas has made proclamations about him and he has Zebediah who is the you know rabbi that's presiding over the session before he goes and meets Nicodemus afterwards to explain to him you know he's just gotten back so here's all the stuff that's happened and Nicodemus is visibly notably shocked I don't think we should play that saying it's too long that's that scene is really long and it's just to establish that that Nicodemus has been paying attention to the ministry for almost a year right and he's sent Matthias out the well I think we should play the scene between Mary and Matthias and Nicodemus where he explains kind of you know you've been wise she's like you've been watching us you've been informing on us there's a lot of stuff about spies specifically Nicodemus spies in this episode and then in the next episode we get into Rome spies and it's like really interesting actually the way that that episode unfolds

43:58it confirms a lot of the things that we've said without you know without knowing it but it is like Nicodemus in my biggest takeaway he's still riding the fence right like he he he knows and I think he knew in season one they he knew in season one who Jesus was but he's still looking at his own personal calculus and we get a real taste of that in what yes but I think what it is is it's like the same kind of trap that Judas is falling into where he he thinks that the the system is the thing like he's like Jesus Jesus the guy like I don't think there's any there's any doubt that he thinks Jesus is the guy because like we see that with the like the QD codes like he's going through the scripture he's like the answer is somewhere yeah yeah he's like the answers somewhere here in the scripture because this is definitely the guy but he thinks that the Sanhedrin he thinks that

44:59the system that he serves that he serves his whole life is the thing that Jesus is coming to elevate basically and that's where he's missing it and so he's trying to preserve this thing that is doomed because it is evil I mean that's just caught what it is it's evil that's what Jesus says it is and he doesn't understand that it's evil because he's too close to it and he also has a very skewed misunderstanding of the world as does everybody else who who sees the world through this lens that's been presented to them by the Sanhedrin yeah and so I think I think he's very much on board team Jesus being the Messiah but he's also still on board with the Sanhedrin being the thing that's going to help save the Jews I guess or you know bring the Messiah into into his kingdom

46:00because again he doesn't quite understand Jesus's mission Jesus has given him probably he Nicodemus probably got the most insight the earliest everybody else because when they met on the rooftop I feel like Jesus kind of laid it out for him like what was going to happen yeah not what was going to happen to him but what what his his in-game was was creating this kingdom and Nicodemus is sitting there like I don't get it I still don't get it he's like he's like the kingdom is not here the kingdom is in the next life that's what we're that's what we're building we're not building something here I don't care about this place and Nicodemus can't wrap his head around that he's like what do you mean you don't care about this place like what like I don't understand what that means but that's just the focus it's very small yeah like the the focus right because I don't think Jesus says the system is evil it's the perversion of the system that's evil and the system and this is a trap that a lot of Christians fall into especially Christians that have never read

47:02the Old Testament but only read the New Testament is thinking that the sacrificial system that Jesus came to fulfill was like a man made invention it was God's system designed and given to them in meticulous detail in the wilderness and that system was fulfilled in Jesus but the what the reason Jesus flipped the tables is because it had been so perverted right yeah but that was it heard what was whole but but it wasn't it wasn't intended to be this hyper monetized into industrial commerce place that that was a stated to elevate themselves and they were they were God was not in that no I get that that wasn't God's system that wasn't the system as it was handed to them it's like saying this it's like saying the Constitution right is a system is that the system that we have right now no the system we have right now is a system it's not the system that our founding fathers created

48:06does that make sense well then why did Jesus need to fulfill it the system that well he wasn't fulfilling the Sanhedrin he was fulfilling the system he was fulfilling the prophecy that God laid out which has nothing to do with what the Sanhedrin was doing the like the government that we have right now is not the government that our founding fathers created just like the system that the Sanhedrin have is not the system that God gave him it's still a system but it's not the system that was given to them that system is evil just like our government is evil that's I think I think I think I think we need to understand that we we can't excuse what is because of what we want it to be we have to look at what is and we have to say it's a system it may not be the system that we want or the system that was intended but it is a system and it is evil and because it's evil it has to be wiped away and this is I think a problem that a lot of people fall into when whether you're

49:06talking about religion or you're talking about the church or you're talking about the government people always want to say well wait a minute there are good people in the government oh well then I guess that means that we should no no no no no no I'm not I'm not picking on you right now I'm just saying that I feel like I feel like people want to say that because there's goodness in something we shouldn't look at the evil in it and and and and recognize the evil in it it's and again I'm not picking on you I'm really thinking more of like conversations I've had with other people where people are always saying yeah but yeah but yeah but I'm talking about people in my real people in real life like my family and stuff who were like yeah but you know there are good people like in Congress you want to do the right thing no they're not no they're not every every single one of them got there because they cut a deal but devil they made a deal but devil all those Pharisees made a deal but devil to get where they are and all they care about is feathering their nests and making sure that's exactly so that's and that system well so I'm still going to

50:14push back on this because that system was designed to glorify God they took it made it legalistic and made it about themselves and their own power that's what's evil not the system as it was designed by God but it's perversion by the people that were perverting it for their own power in the name of God that's what's evil and that distinction is important because one way right or seeing it one way right orients you to okay this is what the problem was I'm not going to do that like we're not going to we're not going to follow that path anymore right the the other way because makes you think it leads you to it doesn't matter that system is doesn't it doesn't matter we shouldn't even understand it and I think it's critical to understand it because Jesus fulfilled and so what was he fulfilling why was he fulfilling it why does it matter why is his blood being spilled out important that's all the fulfillment of that system so I do think it's important to

51:20to to to draw a line that that system is not evil it's perversion by men using the name of God to seek their own glory is evil I think we're saying the same thing and by the way it's fulfilled now so it's it's it's effectively over in terms of its ability to glorify God in in any event that that system comes back I it will be to you know it will forward God's purposes because everything does but it won't that that system won't be to the glory of God because I don't think because it's already been fulfilled I know you and I are on the same side when it comes to this I am going to continue to disagree with you because I think that Jesus said this city needs to be destroyed every every stone will be torn down on the temple this is this is the synagogue of Satan yeah but I think he's but I think this is the synagogue of Satan yes he did he said this is the synagogue he said in the letter to um um revelation what is it revelation John John wrote revelation yeah yeah

52:22yeah but but he's cool but he's quoting a letter that Jesus dictated to go look it up go go look it up that he Jesus dictated a letter and in the letter he he is calling them a synagogue of Satan that's what he says so I'm saying again then we can move on from this oh you're saying the inspiration for John to say that was Jesus that's fine I can't get on for sure and I just bet it wasn't it wasn't we're not in red letters right like synagogue of Satan is not Jesus while he was walking the earth something that he said no no no it was yeah he was dictating a letter that was being written and there it was his words in a letter but I'm but again like I'm just gonna keep pushing back on this because it was a it wasn't God's system it wasn't it wasn't God's framework that he wrote it was the framework that humans created that humans perverted that system was evil and I'm not gonna let that go because it's the perversion of it was evil the perversion of the same reason for the same reason that for the same reason that I'm not gonna let the

53:24Republicans wrap themselves in the American flag and say do you think the Constitution is evil no not at all doing the constitutional system is evil no I think the current of the perversion of the current government of America is extremely evil right the perv agree with you but the but that's a perversion of the constitution it's not the constitution but it's a perversion but it is still the system of America right now it's what you're what you're arguing is an idea of what you want America to be of what it should be of what it should have been no I think you know your history then you could then you were doomed to repeat it but I'm not but it's why Jesus came in the way that he came into that system that you're calling evil as the becoming the sacrifice that fulfilled it I think we're I think we're at an implast here I think we're at an implast here I'm not building evil system is what you're saying I'm not calling God's framework evil I'm saying the system as it exists under human beings is evil that's what I'm saying

54:26I'm not saying the framework I'm not saying the Constitution is evil I'm saying the system that humans made from that framework is evil after centuries of using the framework and what they turned it into is evil and that system has to go away I'm not saying the Constitution has to go away I'm not saying that the framework that God gave has to go away that was fulfilled I'm saying the system though has to go away and I I get pushed back on the sash from every single person in my life where they say you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong and I'm like I'm sorry but about the the Bible the Bible or the Constitution the Sanhedrin the government the Sanhedrin the Sanhedrin the government of America in my mind are the exact same thing and everyone that was in the Sanhedrin was dedicated to the kinds of loose but you're doing it right now you're doing it you're saying that you're saying that there are there are a few good people and because there are a few good

55:30people the systems redeemable the system is not redeemable I never said the system was redeemable that system has been fulfilled but why would God fulfill an evil system I'm not saying God fulfilled an evil system you are though because you're saying the system that Jesus walked into and became the ultimate sacrifice for was evil I'm not saying that the framework is evil I'm saying that the synagogue that he walked into the temple that he walked into where he said this temple has to be destroyed because this this this temple is evil and the people in it running it are evil that system had to go and that's why they got wiped away that's what I'm saying I don't care that there were good people in there yeah they're probably worth look you said he's good nicodemus he's good that doesn't redeem the system the reason I the reason I I asked about all of the people in the system was not to say there's good people we need to save the system it's to say that with God and this is where we cannot conflate the Constitution with what we're talking about with God he looks at

56:31the heart right and so the there were there were Pharisees that were in that system trying to seek the glory of God and they were redeemed by God and that's fine the individual can be redeemed the individual Pharisee can be redeemed the system that they are serving in the moment yeah no I cannot be redeemed and that's that's my point and again I'm not focusing here when I say this on the framework because I think the framework is the intent the framework is what's given and saying here follow these rules they didn't follow the rules and so the thing that they built because they didn't follow the rules is the corrupt system that's what I that's why it has to go so that's that's where I have to land it but I can't I can't budge from that that's just like a first principle thing I can't move away from the fact that the crazy thing about the human's the system is with the human's matter it's not a first principle though don't call that first principles if you look look I'm a builder if you hand me a blueprint and you say build this building

57:36and I go and I cut every corner to save myself money to build it and I build you a shotty building should that building be torn down because it's not safe for people to be going inside of it does that mean the blueprint that you I mean if you have to move on as we're going to refer if you're referring to the system that God established and the wilderness in meticulous detail as the blueprint is the blueprint is the blueprint no the blueprint is not evil the blueprint is not evil the structure that the contractor who was a scum bag in and cut every corner to save gave himself a buck. The building that got built is. That's a fair metaphor. I can write. Not the blueprint. The blueprint is fine. There's only wrong with the blueprint. It's the building that gets built because the contractor cut every corner to save himself some money. That building should be torn down because that building is no good. That's what I'm saying. Like you can sit there and say, well, the blueprint, the blueprint, the blueprint, I don't care about the blueprint. The blueprint is the blueprint.

58:38The physical building that exists today which is the Sanhedrin in this story which is the government in our story has to go because it's just, it's cool. Yeah, I mean, that's what Jesus came to fulfill it. And specifically said, you know, we'll destroy this temple and in three days I'll raise it up and he was, he's that temple, right? Like his body, church is that new temple. But yeah, we can move on. We're an hour in and we haven't even played a scene yet. Let's play the Mary scene. Okay. Give her back my regards. And you the same to Zohara. We'll have to have dinner. So yes, yes, I'll have Matias set it up. Shalom, Shalom, Shalom. Matias. Yes, my boy. I wish you'd have a job. Everything you have to be in this into me carefully.

59:38I have an assignment for you. Mary of my dollar. Have you been looking for me? Yes. Richard, it's you. Please. Keep your voice down. Not everyone in this house is awake. I so secretive. Why didn't your men just tell me they were with you? I am so sorry, but we had no choice. I don't know what is in your head at the moment. How zealous you and the others are and what you will say and to whom you've not been discreet lately and I need to be. Discreet. You're in the Sanhedrin. Where is this place? This is my home, but you don't need to know where. This city is crawling with spies, agents and informers. I don't know why you've been so difficult to reach. I've really needed your help. Where have you been? Mary, it is very dangerous what you were doing. You were wise not to ask for me by name, but it was clear to us what you were up to. Who is us? You've had spies. Not spies, just keeping track.

1:00:39And your behavior could well have accelerated his demise. Accelerated? No. No, you're getting bad information. We've been on the run from the moment we arrived. Jesus is not passed up a single opportunity to make an enemy. I'm curious to know why you think that is. I'm sorry. Why is he doing this? Why is he systematically turning allies into enemies? You know him? You've seen him challenge us already before. He won't shrink just because... Mary, this is something more. I will read you his own words. How? My watchman was observing and taking notes. This from just two days ago, you know, when he upended the marketplace in the temple, well to you, scribes and Pharisees. Piperas, for you are like white wash tombs who outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and unclineness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others,

1:01:43but within are full of hypocrisy and robustness. Doesn't exactly sound like an invitation to join him, does it? How long have you been tracking him? Long enough. But there's still... you've seen us. You've been watching all of us. Tell me why I shouldn't be very uncomfortable with all of this. He was only doing what I asked him to do. I've not seen Jesus since Capernum, but when news reached Jerusalem that he was claiming to be the Christ, I had to. You had to what spy? Mary, I brought you here under duress, so I'm trying to be patient with your loose words, which mean to listen. I teach Torah and the foundations of our faith to students all over Israel. Please try to understand the immense responsibility for our people that I feel on my shoulders from Adonai himself, every year, from every region. Someone comes along claiming to be the Messiah

1:02:44and trying to sway our people and mislead them. Now most of them are crushed for their false prophecy and we never even hear of them. But when someone like Jesus achieves this level of influence over these many people, performing these kinds of signs and wonders, all the wild claiming to be the Christ and asserting his authority over the law and leaders of our people, I have a sacred duty to prove him wrong. What did you see? What did he report to you? You met him yourself, I helped arrange it. I'm sure you saw who he is as well. What did he see? He saw the eyes of the blind open, the ears of the deaf and start, the lame man leaping back, like a deer, and the tongue of the mute, saying, you for joy.

1:03:44I say, the people that walked in darkness, I've seen a great light, those that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death upon them a light has shined. If that's what, but you, O Bethlehem, too little to be among the clan of Judah from you shall come forth for me. One who is to be ruler of Israel, one who's coming forth is from a vault, from ancient days. You now know he is the one who fulfills these prophecies. I pray he wouldn't. I needed him to be a fraud, but I've seen too much. I know the feeling. Decelesirus. So why haven't you told this to the others? Why have you been absent? I've been told you've not been seen in standing through in that hall lately. Apart from my present condition,

1:04:47there is the question of trying to get anything done in the Sanhedrin, led along the intricacies of money and politics fear that guide most of them and govern their decisions. And when it comes to false prophecy, that is a wall I cannot die. I've been looking for you because he needs your help. Why have you been wanting to talk to me if not to help? To warn you and for you to warn him that he's in danger? The message received. But for whatever reason he's clearly not running from that danger, so now I'm asking you to help eliminate it. Your wisdom and strength led you to pursue Jesus in the parnum when your colleagues would have ever considered it. I don't know what happened after that that's between you and him, but I know you know the truth. And I'm asking you to do anything you can.

1:05:49We are, and I can try and thrive ad hole employees in a few goodness and I can tell, that you favoured my mushroom. It's all your business. I know, I cannot kill you лишny- Dee yess. You are off- Nicodemus there is something else I want to say to you. Thank you. Foga? For trying. That day the Romans brought you to my place in the red quarter. I must have been very uncomfortable for you. It's scary for anyone. I'm so grateful you at least made the attempt. You should have told you that the day we spoke in the market.

1:06:53And I know coming to the red quarter didn't initially turn out the way you had hoped. Look. What did I do? You're welcome. But I had nothing to do with who you are today. Your change is just convincing us the prophecies of who he is. I don't know what else I can do but I will search Torah. Perhaps the Scriptures will reveal to us what is in store for him. Nicodemus? Zohara. I'm sorry I didn't interdisturbing you. Nicodemus, you don't have to speak loudly for me to be stared by your spirit.

1:07:55Like I have been for months. I've been studying in earnest. There are things about my position. Come in here. Zohara, you don't understand. I have been with you for 60 years. Don't try to educate me on your position as though I'm the teenager I was when we married. You can prepare for your lectures and your seniors. You don't need this level of research. You haven't finished a meal in weeks without abandoning the table. And me. You're losing weight. You can barely hold yourself up since Matthias burst in a week ago whispering frantically. I am not deaf and blind, Nicodemus. We have to talk. We will.

1:08:56I just can't yet. I'm sorry. Yeah. So when he says I have a sacred duty to prove him wrong. What he's saying is I have a sacred duty to prove God wrong. He doesn't realize in that moment he's saying that, but that's what he's saying. He's saying I have a sacred duty. And by sacred that Michael, let's put that in quotations. Sacred duty to the system. I have a sacred duty to the system to prove him wrong. Because if he's right, the implications are very damning to the system. And so he has been brainwashed. What's this called?

1:09:56Do you want to keep arguing about this? You said you were going to end it. But now you're brainwashed. I'm sorry, but Nicodemus has been brainwashed. I see what he's saying more as scientific method. Right. Like if you have a hypothesis, if you make a bold assertion, you need to be able to prove it. And he's his, you know, his assertion. But you know, sure. I mean, I think that's the ancient world that there were Messiah claims all the time that like in every generation, there was someone claiming to be the Messiah. And so it become kind of, you know, their, their role in that was to defend, defend the faith, defend the faith. Yeah, I mean, I don't really think they had faith, right? Yeah, but defend, defend the doctrine, defend the, yeah, like defend, defend the framework that we were just discussing. But there is a sense of if the Messiah comes, then our time is over. So we have to prove it wrong, which is kind of what you're saying.

1:10:56I get that. Well, there's a cognitive dissonance because in the same discussion, he acknowledges that Jesus is the Messiah. He's like, he believes is the Messiah. But he's also saying I have a sacred duty to prove him wrong. Because I think like he doesn't quite finish the thought, but he's also like, if he's right, and if he is the Messiah, then the scripture says he's going to die. It's like that's, it's like he's like, he's like walking it to its logical conclusion. And it's kind of crazy that like he hasn't figured that out yet. Because Jesus has like laid that out to everyone. He's like, hey, go read the scripture, says this is what's going to happen. You all know this is what's going to happen. I don't understand why no one is getting it. But yeah. And again, like Nicodemus's mindset is like defend the system. He's got to stand between the system and whatever is threatening the system.

1:11:58And he doesn't understand why Jesus is threatening the system. While he's saying the money, the greed, the politics is clouding the judgment of these guys. And I can't even go in there and talk to them rationally because they will eat me alive if I even go in there and try to have a reasonable discussion with them. And it's like, dude, how do you not see what's happening here? Jesus didn't come to take on the Roman Empire. He came on to take, he came to take on the Sanhedrin because the Sanhedrin is now standing between the people in God. Yeah, the one thing that I would say is that he's not just any old Pharisee. He is the teacher of teachers. His job was training new rabbis, training new religious leaders. Now that is, it is biblical that if you are a teacher, there's a verse. I don't know. See if it was Jesus or Paul that said it because I can't remember. Maybe it was James.

1:13:00Not many of you become teachers. The verse is James. It's James 3 1. Let not many of you become teachers. My brother and for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. So the that's a it's a it's a somber, very serious, very sacred responsibility to teach people about God. To be a teacher of God. Even more so I would think to teach the people who are going to teach people about God. Right. That's a big, very strong, very serious. So you want somebody in that position to be taking it very seriously. Now get your point about I have to prove him wrong specifically. But contextually in that in that time with that role, it's not a it's not a lack of, you know, spiritualness or right orientation for him to take that responsibility very seriously.

1:14:02That's actually a command. Yeah, like all the false prophets, I get it. Like when a false prophet comes out of the woods, he's got to be like, all right, here's why this guy is a false prophet while he's, you know, he's perverting. He is perverting the word of the Lord because he is, you know, falsely claiming to be the prophet. However, in this specific example, Jesus, it's different because he also is acknowledging that he needs the Messiah. So it's like, yes, your job normally is to defend the faith against false prophets. But because you believe this guy is the Messiah, isn't your role to actually embrace him and be like, hey, you're the guy we've been waiting for this whole time. You're the guy that like we built this entire thing for like welcome. And it's like in one hand, he's having cognitive dissonance because on one hand, he is there. But on the other hand, he recognizes that's never going to happen in the temple because of everything that we've seen and everything he said.

1:15:06And that's why when his wife is like, we need to talk about this. He's like, we can't, he turns around and walks away because he's like, he can't face it. He can't face the fact that Jesus went there and foot to ever tables because there is no reconciling what is and what should be. Yeah, like like Nicodemus can come, right? Like Jesus is like, you can come. You can't bring all that stuff with you though. Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. Okay, so we can, if we want to finish the Nicodemus arc. Yeah, we should do the part with him and you said you said. Yeah, that's, that's a great scene. No, it was to this is the cue to co-scene. The spirit of the Lord is upon me. He's anointed me to proclaim good news to his got a whole wall.

1:16:06He's got, I mean, yes, always. This is like, he's like, he's like elbow deep in the ring and he's like elbow deep on cue research board, just like the ancient cue board. He's like a thousand tabs open and he's just sitting there flipping back and forth between tabs looking at news articles, looking at a cue at cue posts. Checking the time stamps. Oh, this is so blasphemous, but it's so funny. Yeah, it's not. It's so true. It's so true. It's so true. It's so true. It's so true. It's because we're comparing cue, cue posts, a scripture, but that is how to his pursuit of trying to find another way another route and other paths. So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, that is 100% how cue posts are treated. It is treated like scripture. I love that he's got the wall with the string. That is definitely the sick part of it. But yeah, the wall is hilarious. Oh, that is, that is a faith. Yeah, let's pick one. You're hearing. I am the father of one.

1:17:11Ah, he was despised and rejected of man. A man of sorrow acquainted with grief. Do not think I come to abolish the law or the prophets. I do not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Bravo. Yes, sir. I'm sorry to disturb you. The scripture has already disturbed me. With all respect, they bring news that might make it worse. Yes, if just popping in the chain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The facts are not fully confirmed, but my confidants are not given to exaggeration or inference without solid evidence. Don't withhold young man. Say it. Caiaphas is making plans to arrest Jesus. Oh, impossible. It doesn't have the authority. And according to my reconnaissance, no one is certain way to find Jesus.

1:18:11There is talk of a collaborator. A traitor from within the ranks of his own followers. Oh, well, them could be capable of such a thing. I don't know what Matthias has told you, but not all of the followers are in agreement on how they view Jesus. I have witnessed dissent between them at the house of Lazarus. Even if one of them betrayed his whereabouts at this very moment, the Sanhedrin would still have to convene for a trial. And it is illegal for a capital offense to be tried on the day of preparation for the high holy day. Passover isn't just in seven hours. Caiaphas is hands of tide. Are you sure you they're not or rather they are to his father-in-law. And I know he's been defosed before. We can defuse him again. He's the one behind all of this, which I suppose he is. We can make it by lesion, the law and tradition. Most of the judges don't even like us.

1:19:12You said we. Will you join me and Shimon and the centrist in announcing Caiaphas is brazen infractions? Where would I even do that? Most of the administrative meeting spaces of the temple are closed for Passover. Nicodemus, you know Caiaphas has no scruples. My informers say they will call an emergency meeting overnight tonight citing an obscure loophole authorization from the Sephirah. I mean, during times of national crisis, but Jesus is not a national crisis. He is a national security threat and their extraordinary executive authority. Like Caiaphas is going to implement, is he going to implement devolution of Sanhedrin? As far as they rightly perceive him to be a threat to this. Cut no one is saying he's a threat. He's really hierarchy, which he's poised to dismantle. They're not all corrupt, but they are all scared. Of course they are. If I may be so bold, you are too harsh on your brethren, Raban.

1:20:13They are mostly good men dedicated to their faith, devoted to preserving our traditions and Torah. They just weren't ready for Jesus. I don't think anyone was, but as a company included me or you both. Sunset to sunset is not passed in somehow. I've twice been accused of misunderstanding Jesus of Nazareth. So you do do understand Jesus. I'm getting there. Let me show you this decal. What's next? How can you hear it? Did you see post for 29? Die is cast. My status. This is the best part. Nothing can stop what is coming. Is irrelevant? This requires a level of dexterity that neither of you have been forced to implement. It's not something I can solve with stern words. Back rooms, somewhere.

1:21:13If you all I disclose our allegiance now or ever, we will be shut out of all discussions altogether. Mary. His follower? I sent for her. She was searching for me, but recklessly. She could have quickened the disaster that has so rapidly unfolded. She was looking for help anywhere she can find it. I said recklessly. And you cared enough about that to bring her in. Why? If you're so resigned to the fate of Jesus. To save her and the others. From what? What could happen next? I can't stop the same hatred and attempts, but I can at least warn Jesus. And his follower? Rabbi Nicodibus. Please hear me. You are right. Neither I nor Mary have the wisdom or experience you have. But we are willing to do anything. You say we will be shut out of all discussions if we reveal ourselves. I will follow your lead on that.

1:22:14But surely we can be part of the discussion tonight. I am studying the scriptures. And Jesus' statements for clues as to what can happen next. Or what he has in store. It's a mystery I have no idea what might happen tonight. Let's find out. Yeah. It's just so good. Like nothing can stop what is coming. A sternly worded letter is not going to do anything at this point. The younger guy to begging the older guy to do something. Please do something. Can't you just do something? And then the older guy being like, I could, but nothing can stop what is coming. And I got to check out these decodes to see what happened. Still got too much to lose too. That is the thing that is so disheartening but also so human. It's hard to get super irritated at nicodemus.

1:23:18Or even usif. Usif when undercover in order to listen to Jesus speak. He was acting in the same way. Went off with the Pharisees when tomorrow asked him to come in with them. On Palm Sunday. Like they're weighing their personal calculus and what they have to lose. I think you've said less so. But you see families on board. Right. His dad his dad is on board and has already helped them out in some ways. And you know his father witnessed the raising of Lazarus according to the show and everything. And so it's. It's it's. And there's a generational thing there, I think too. And I don't know. I think it's showrunner. Showrunner choice. But that's that's particularly notable. Just begging the you know you're the one in the room with the most power, bro. Out of all of us that are dissenting you have the most power.

1:24:19Well, I don't want to be shut out of the discussions. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, you make good point because it's like he has the most to lose. He has he has the he has the nice big family. He has the grandchildren. He has the like the really nice life. Um, you know, he's dedicated. Yeah, respect. He's dedicated his whole life to like helping build out this thing with Sanhedrin. You said his young. He's new to this. I think he's pretty disillusioned with the whole thing at this point. Like I think he's just like he sees it for what it is. Um, he doesn't have like this, this. I mean, he has a nice life. Like he comes from like a good family and all that. He seems a lot re he seems more prepared to flip over the tables like Jesus did. And and he's going to Nicodemus right now and being like, let's go flip over the tables. And Nicodemus is like, uh, if we flip over the tables, they're never going to let us come back and speak to them again. And you said it was kind of like, yeah, but if not now then win. Like, yeah.

1:25:19Like if not now then win. Like this is the Messiah. The Messiah is here. Like we need to have the Messiah's back. Why are we not doing this? Nicodemus is like, uh, because. Like I, like, let's go to you a lot for us. Like let's think this through. Let's take our time. Another thing, um, just and this is a call back to his discussion with, um, with Mary is when they're saying like she says he's he hasn't missed an opportunity to make an enemy. And Nicodemus is something about like the, you know, there's there's always potential alliances that he could be making and he's not making any of them. Like he's doing the opposite of what he should be doing. And Judas is kind of in that same posture, right? Wait a second. Why aren't we aligning with the Sanhedrin against Rome? We can get them on our, we can get them on our side. Come on, man. Like let's just be a little bit nicer to them and, you know, maybe don't call them, you know, vipers and stuff. Like just, you know, make them feel good. You know, they like to feel good about themselves, make them feel good about themselves. And that is still fundamentally missing the point. Jesus didn't come to make alliances with anybody.

1:26:20There's no one that can make an alliance with God. There's nobody that has a set of circumstances to negotiate with God. You cannot negotiate with God, right? But they're all still missing it. Yeah, it's based. It's very based. It's like, hey, we need to make, we need to, we need to align with the uniparty with, with, with, with the Republican establishment to take down. The uniparty, which is also the Republican establishment. Yeah, it's, it's hilarious because that's exactly what Judas is arguing. All right. So let's do the Judas Kyfus scene real quick. And then we'll do the Atticus, Kathy scene and wrap up. All right. So here is. Yeah, we're going to short change the show because we argued about this. It's about 45 minutes. So sorry guys, but you cannot watch. It is what it is. Please sit down. Can we, uh, serve you something? We are not the same. I don't know what you're saying. I told you, but you should know now.

1:27:22Note how like the director has like, fidget lighting. The lighting. The lighting. Like he's wearing dark clothes. He's got like his eyes look like sunken in his skin looks very pale. He looks very villainous now. Like if you're making, if you're like before he had like, there is just something about him where he seemed more like a child like wonder. Like he seems, he seemed more like youthful. And now he seems more like older. And there's just something about him where he seems like he's like possessed. Yeah. Well, he sort of is that you and I are not the same. That's certainly the case. He has you now. Who represents the nation. He has you now is what Jesus said to him at the table. Yep. He has you now. Yeah. Before God, the only human on earth allowed to enter the Holy of Holies. And you on the other hand, nothing to save your people.

1:28:22I assure you, I've not been brought here under false pretenses. I can deliver him to you. But you must know something. I do believe that Jesus is most likely the Messiah. Why? Most likely. Why what? Why do you believe that? I've seen too much. Then why are you doing this? I suppose I have not seen enough. Hence, most likely. Hopefully, we'll get to see this. If we take him into custody, he effortlessly destroys his captors, leads us to victory over Rome, and takes his rightful place on the throne of David. Then I'll be celebrating with the rest of our people. But certainly, out of your depth. I disagree.

1:29:22Marcus, small help. You give us room. I'm going to test Jesus to see if he's the Messiah. By putting him in a situation, and if he is the Messiah, he'll save himself. And in the act of saving himself, he'll save the rest of us because he'll rise up in the next few days. And I'm going to test Jesus to see if he's the Messiah. By putting him in a situation, and a life threatening situation. And if he is the Messiah, he'll save the rest of us because he'll rise up in destroy Rome. We, the Jews, are going to go arrest him. He's going to destroy his captors, which would be the Jews, right? Like the Sanhedrin. And then he's going to destroy Rome. That doesn't make any sense. It's like he's completely overlooking the fact that, according to his own plan, the Sanhedrin is going to get destroyed by this plan. He's even recognizing that,

1:30:23without acknowledging it, that that's the logical outcome of what he's doing is the Sanhedrin being destroyed, which it is destroyed. It's not immediately later, but all of its power, like, influence is basically destroyed by doing this. That is... Yeah, me, maybe. Look around. That's... Yeah. I think the thing that we're up against right now is this thing right here, like the exact thing. And certainly the same spiritual force behind it. No question about that. The thing I like about this is... I'm going to spoil the next 30 seconds of the scene, but that's fine, because you'll see it in 30 seconds, everyone. And everybody should... I think I probably watched this already anyway. But Judas walks in there with power projection, right? Right off the bat, I'm not like you. I'm not really betraying him. I'm just testing him a little bit.

1:31:24But most likely, it's going to be fine. And if not, then at least I'll, you know, have taken my bag, I'll have pumped my bag, and literally pumped his bag. He's been stealing from the ministry since they put him in charge of the money. But he has... He walks into that room. Now, one, very balsy. This is the high priest. And yeah, he can't really like orderly to like order him to, you know, face death unilaterally. But also, he probably could and get away with it, right? Because of who he is, and how much power Caiaphas has. Judas comes in there thinking he has power projection. He's almost still, you know, kind of using the name of the Lord for his own purposes, because he's saying, I believe he's most likely the Messiah, and, you know, he's going to bring usher in the Messianic age and all of these things. And we're just going to test him.

1:32:25By the end of this conversation, Judas realizes very clearly that he has no power. His power projection was all false. It was based on what he believed the calculus was. And I love the part where he's like, find all walk and Caiaphas is like, you know, we have guards that can get the set of your head now that you've told us that you have it. And I'm willing to give you 30 pieces of silver right now. You could just get tortured for it. And Judas realizes that he is way out of his depth. He is so outside where his experience and skill has brought him. And he's not in, you know, he doesn't have the power projection of Jesus because he's in the process of betraying Jesus. And that's what Caiaphas calls him out directly. You believe he's most likely the Messiah. So why are you doing this? Well, what if he's not?

1:33:25Okay, you're, you're, you're, who are you? Why are you here? Like, what, what can you offer me? Oh, you know where his location is? Cool. I'll give you 30 pieces of silver. Oh, that's not enough. Okay, you get nothing and I'll torture you. Right? Like he has no, he has, he, he, Caiaphas has a similar demeanor and, you know, kind of, like the way that the actor is playing it as, um, quintess. That kind of like, we'll have a, well, let's have a, you know, kind of good, like what sounds like good, natured banter while there is also this underlying threat that don't you dare forget what the power dynamic is here. Oh, very much. Yeah, that, that's a great call back. Yeah, it's, it's like the character mistake. It's like here, I'll give you all the carrots you want. The minute you spit the carrot out, I'm just going to be, yeah, scripting. Um, yeah, and by the, by the way, when Judas says, I haven't seen enough, I think that's a direct reference to he hasn't had the ego death. It's like he hasn't, he hasn't seen enough.

1:34:26He hasn't had the ego death. He's self, yeah. He's still the main character as far as he's concerned and, uh, yeah. Yeah, really well said. Yeah. Yep. I do not appreciate being spoken to in such a manner, young man. Well, if you change your mind about needing his whereabouts, just let me know. Sit down. We are not finished. This is uncomplicated, your honor. You need information, and I'm the only one capable and willing to give it to you. All we have to agree on is a price.

1:35:2720 pieces of silver. Done in Saltney. 40. 25. 38. 30 pieces of silver. Final offer. A equivalent of four months wages. That is the price of a slave. And I will not live like one while I'm looking for a new job. 35. 30 pieces of silver. Is my final offer and the slave is about what Jesus is worth to me now. You have no leverage to this. I'm your only buyer. And I'm your only seller. The temple guard have sophisticated methods of extracting information, if you'd like.

1:36:32Where you can just take the money. I have one condition. I'm listening. I will provide an opportunity for you to arrest him only in the absence of a crown. He is more powerful than you and you know it. The people will riot. If we do this stealthily, we can avoid an uprising, retribution from Rome, and ruin pass over holiday. I thought you said if he's arrested, he'll use his divine powers to strike down his adversaries. It would be the best pass over a war, wouldn't it? If he is who he says he is. If he's not. 30 pieces of silver will be of no use to me when Pilot brutalizes us for disturbing the peace and inciting a revolt.

1:37:34I have a condition as well. You have 24 hours to deliver him over to us. Time is of the essence. Deal. 24 hours. We are an only son. I'm sorry. You're the only son of and only son and he's passed away. I was giving all your information to you to see what the last of the scare has. Yes, unless you survive all this and have a son, this could be your best chance for your family name to be remembered. Don't look so down trodden, this is an opportunity. Now go.

1:38:34Deliver on your promise. You pause for a second. So if the, but if when an ox goes a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned and it's flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner of the ox shall not be liable. But if the ox has been accustomed to gore in the past and its owner has been warned but has not kept it in and it kills a man or woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner shall also be put to death. If a ransom is imposed on him, then he shall give for the redemption of his life, whatever is imposed on him. If it goes a man's son or daughter, he shall be dealt with according to the same rule. If the ox scores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give to their master 30 shekels of silver and the ox shall be stoned. That is Exodus 21 32 with a part of 30 shekels.

1:39:35That whole section starts in first 28. Interesting. Yeah. So the part about part of the end about fame. So this is the last opportunity for your, you know, for your family to be famous for you to be famous for you to have a, I mean, it's like that's the, that's the priority. That's the currency, right? Yeah, and that comes back around in a future episode. Well, I mean, it also comes back around like the name Judas is scary. Like ring, ring through the ages of life. Yeah, yeah, I just mean them hammering that home with his sister and the sea. I know it's been a while since you've watched this, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it comes back. Yeah, the flashback with this sister. Yes, you're right. You're right. Yep. Yeah, I forgot about that. That's a good call. Yeah, it's really well done. Very dark, right? You get you get the vibe. Good use of sound. Again, Caiaphas, the actor playing Caiaphas, I think just nails it.

1:40:38So good. Yeah, he is like you get you get all the involuntary responses. Yeah, he makes your skin crawl, but then you it's like you like how much you dislike him. Like Quintis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Quintis at least is like a little charming. I don't find I don't find car. Caiaphas charming at all. Well, he's he does. Quintis is lower in the pecking order, right? In the in the pecking order of the the Jewish high pre the the the hierarchy of this system. Yeah, Caiaphas is the top. Yeah, it's like. Yeah, yeah, it's like Quintis was here. Caiaphas is here. Yeah, Quintis was just governing a, you know, cappernum. Yeah, yeah, it was the savage with a very similar personality type as Caiaphas. But Caiaphas doesn't have to be charming. It isn't happy charming to anyone. Yeah, he's not even charming to pilot, which I know that's another scene that I feel like is sort of useless.

1:41:38Like Caiaphas is what I almost said pilot and Caiaphas have an argument and is like war alliance is going to be over if this goes one way or the other and it's it's kind of like why was the scene even here. Yeah, but but I do think the scene is useful because it does it does present like from my upbringing in the church where pilot is blamed for Jesus's death. It does like interesting. I was always thought he washed his hands of it. Well, yes, yes, he washes his hands of it, but it's like it's always the Sanhedrin is just not even taught like in the process kind of neutral. Like I didn't even know the same over was when I was a kid. I was like, wait, wait, what the same thing? You probably knew Pharisees, right? You probably heard the word fair. I think I had heard the term Pharisees, but I did I did not understand the dynamic between the Pharisees and the followers of Christ.

1:42:38Same, but also the the I feel like what I like my childhood feelings about the Pharisees is that they just didn't get it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're the holy people, but they just missed it. And you know, I told you that book. I read the the one that treats Israel as God's wife. Israel, my beloved is the name of the book. It's written by K. Arthur. It's a novel and it's it's really well done. It's, you know, goes to the history. I think you should read it. I think you would actually have a lot to say about it. But in it, when Jesus comes because it tells the story of like the creation of Israel to the second coming of Christ, right to the end is the is the timeline of the story. So the part of the like the time the historical time when Jesus walked the earth as a part of the plot. But the way that that book, which is a kind of Christians, I and his framing, treats it is that Israel doesn't even know Jesus is there.

1:43:38So like this is telling the Israel's a character in the book, her name is Sarah, but she doesn't interact with Jesus at all. She doesn't, she doesn't recognize him, not just recognize him for who he is. She's kind of mad that he's creating like the stories of him creating disruption and whatnot. But he's barely a blip in the story. And then what, you know, really raged me out about it, having read it a second time with, you know, open eyes is that in the end when Israel goes back to her husband and his reconcile to her husband, he's almost like a relevant and the way that it's written. And it's just like that's that's that's heretical. Yeah, well, and, and yeah, so like when I live. Anyway, sorry, just to finish that point, that's that's how I was brought up to think about it was that they were just they just didn't get it, right? They weren't special enough at it. They'll get it later. I wasn't even brought I wasn't even brought up to understand that they were characters. Like I wasn't even brought up to understand that that was a thing. I was just brought up to understand that there was Jesus as followers, the crowd.

1:44:42And then the Romans and the Romans were just like, yeah, like, like, oh, absolute savages. They just had to have Jesus. They just had to kill him. And the reality is, is like, I would come storming in and is like, what are you playing a do on Jesus? You better not harm one hair on his head. Now, he's not doing that because he loves Jesus. He's doing that because he knows that he knows that that's going to incite a riot. And when that happens, it's going to be his head from from Caesar. So he's doing it from a point of self interest. But it's it it very clearly, I think lays out like the incentives here where pilot does not care about Jesus whatsoever. Like if Jesus wants to run around with a crowd on his head and say on the king of the Jews or whatever, he doesn't care. He's like, whatever, your God, your king, whatever none of that matters because you actually, yeah, because you don't have any power projection as long as you don't start a riot and you're telling people to pay their taxes. We're cool.

1:45:43But his wife, right, and we're told in the scripture the only time he's like one verse, right, his wife said don't have anything to do with that man with that innocent man because of my dream, right. And then he washes his hands of the matter. So I think there was there was something, and I'm not saying in the way the show the way the show is portraying it, you're right. He's more concerned about his wife than anything having, you know, having to do with who Jesus is. But there is this concern and Atticus shares as well, right, that there's going to be a riot. There's going to be something. And then they're all Rome is savage, right. And the, you know, that you do get punished, right, Quintess, you do get punished if you, if you, you know, are seen as having failed Rome. And so there is there would be that tension and fear. I think he's not his calculus. He's not looking for a savior. He's not looking for a Messiah. He doesn't understand the, you know, the whole shellfish scene. Remember that.

1:46:46Yeah, I just distinctly as a kid remember figuring that out for myself, like figuring it out for myself that the Romans that like pilot was washing his hands and walking away, like that wasn't explicitly explained to me. It was in a scripture. It was in like the things that we were like we were reading like we were like reciting as a group. But that was never like explain me like like nobody went out of their way to be like, oh yeah, the Romans like didn't actually like they weren't out to get Jesus. They were just the mechanism that were used to take care of him. And it's really like actually quite infuriating that that like the Protestant church completely omits the Sanhedrin and just erases the Pharisees from the teachings to children because it as soon as I understood what, what that was, it took the stories completely click and I was like, oh, now I get it. It's like, it's a corrupt government. It's a corrupt like power structure on earth made by humans. And that's what Jesus was standing up to. It's like that as soon as you get that it's like the story just makes perfect sense.

1:47:51But for reasons that are now very obvious politically, the Protestant church there in synopsis structure is to not have that at the forefront of education when it comes to children. All right. So let's play this Atticus scene with Caffney and then we'll get out of here. Yeah, I think just just on that last point, it's also it shows how you're like, now we're dealing with it. You and I have talked about this before, like the international Holocaust remembrance alliance is in their stated information. It's basically, you know, the the sharing of the totality of the gospel story is anti-Semitic. Right. You can't do it. But, but you don't actually have to make such a bold declaration. You just need to dilute it and how you're teaching it, talking about it and forming belief around it. If you haven't a time, right, which they certainly did. Yeah. You have no right to hold me here without explanation. What crimes have I committed?

1:49:00I have the right to speak to my legal representative. Those rights are granted to citizens of the Roman Empire of which you decidedly are not. Who are you? The one asking the questions. You arrived from the north three days ago, bringing with you a small militia of malcontents. You have since grown in numbers, amassed weapons, sharpened resentments, and convened a veritable serpent's den of aggressors who remind me of zealots, but lacks of mystication and training. These zealots, you know, they're a pain. But they have a precision and a clarity of purpose that makes them in some ways predictable. They at least know what they're doing.

1:50:06And therefore so do we. But you are not precise. You are reckless and messy and disorganized. It was all too easy to find you out to get in here and put you in that chair. It's my understanding the Jews have made pilgrimage to this city to observe a solemn holiday of remembrance. I might be getting that wrong. From what I can tell, there's only one person acting up around here this week. And one about whom so many people have such intense feelings and opinions, both good and bad. Still true. You're the only figure at the moment. Toward whom a man like you could stir up so much animosity. Tell me something, Coffney. Are you? Everybody's got an opinion about Jesus.

1:51:06So what about yours, let all this? You're not a holy man. Ocus be praised. You own land in wine country. He killed my daughter. If Jesus the Nazarene had committed murder, believe me, I'd know about it. How? You're not God. Let's leave God out of this. Honestly, I find the topic exhausting. That's a reference to the fact that he's like the secular omniscient character in this story. More do you want to know? Sir John Brennan. All right. Yeah. I'll bite. Find how to kill your daughter. He seduced her. He really doesn't strike me as the romantic type. Not romantically. Spiritually. I'm not sick. What did I just say about God? He performed a magic trick at a wedding that made her so grateful and odd and entranced

1:52:14that she became more loyal to him than me. Hey, these are sticks. That's the prettiest thing I've ever heard. She had a promising career as a wine vignette to join his pathetic, roving band, wafering around the upper gallery with being crowds and two frenzies over his teachings and sorceries until... until one of those crowds devolved into a stampede and she was run through with a sword by whom the Roman plethora of Caparnum. So, say he now realizes who she is. No, no, no, no, no, no. What we're talking about, yeah. Yeah, he knows exactly who his daughter is now. Yeah, he knew Quintas. Yeah. Uh-huh. And remember, he like... I mean, like he knew who Rammel was because of Quintas doing that, so it's like, yeah, he... he understands this.

1:53:14So, Roman preeder killed your daughter, not Jesus. You are dissembling, Kauffney. She would never have been near Caparnum or anything resembling that situation if not for him. And he has not been held accountable. She had free will, didn't she? No one was forcing her to travel around with this Jesus, were they? One of Jesus' other followers, a former employee of mine. He guiled her with his youthful charm and lured her into the notion of marriage without my consent. I thought it didn't work that way with you people. There are loopholes. The law is complicated. Did your daughter ever say anything to you about avenging her death if something would happen? It's what any father would do. You attempted vengeance against the Roman preeder. You aspired and sent away. Hanged for all I know. Why are you looking at me like that? Well, I don't know. It seems like you under the impression that you could have done something more to prevent this, to protect your daughter, to save her. And instead of facing your guilt like a man,

1:54:17or dealing with your grief, you've decided to look for someone to blame. You don't know me. You don't know what's in my heart. I can't get directly to the preeder who did the deed. So now, you've moved on to, frankly, an easy target. It's not an easy target. Let's find out what I don't have any children. But the way you've decided to make your daughter's untimely death all about yourself repulses me. However, your murderous commitment to alleviating your guilty conscience may prove useful to my purposes. What purposes? I have a proposal for you, Kauffney. Instead of arresting you for unlawful assembly, possession of illegal weapons, incitement of violence, conspiracy to commit murder, and possibly insurrection, to name only a few. I will supply you with information regarding Jesus' whereabouts.

1:55:22What has he done to you? To your attention, please. The only thing that's required to keep you out of jail or worse is that you continue to spread your venom to anyone who listens. Let me explain this to you in a way you might understand. Keep doing what you're doing. I'd turn the tide of public opinion against Jesus and quid pro quo. Right, in exchange, I'll keep holes out of your hands and feet. Holes. We're finished here. So what now? Now. We wait for what? Another light of day. All right.

1:56:32We're at two hours now, so we won't watch anymore, but we will save the scene between Atticus and Z because that's a fantastic scene. And brilliant writing by the chair runners because they take the zealot, whose name you never learned, who were sent to kill Z and then witnesses Jesus. And then basically, I don't know if he has a conversion of the heart, but he sees enough to understand why Z left. Left. Left. And basically, and basically, like, pities him and it says, okay, Simon, Simon, whatever is, is, is, is dead and leaves. And then we find out that that's Barabas, who's extremely, extremely important character in all of this. That, that, like, I had completely forgotten that either I either completely

1:57:33upset or I missed it the first time I saw it, that like, like, where they, where they showed him walking and you heard the, like, like, Barabas, you heard Z say it and it's like, oh, that's Barabas. So anyway, that's brilliant writing. Yeah. And certainly going to be a bigger, bigger featured character in the next season of the show that comes out in the middle of November. But we do see him a little bit more in the next episode as well. And so we can start it. We'll start off next week's, or the next episode of the show, we can start off with the Barabas, Simon Z. Atticus storyline and, and pick it up there. Yeah, I mean, fantastic. I think there's always stuff to quibble about and, you know, I'd, I'd love debating this stuff with you and, and, you know, it's drawing on how it relates to now. A lot of people won't won't even go there.

1:58:35And you know, we're, we're, you and I are perfectly prepared to be called all sorts of names for the conversations that we have. So, you know, it is what it is. But, you know, it's the most important story ever written for a reason. And, and biblical allegory is the most common form of literary analysis for a reason. Because the lessons that you draw from it, just like the lessons that Jesus, Jesus would teach lessons with parables and stories. It's the same thing. You draw lessons from it and then you apply those lessons to your real life. To learn from it and improve yourself. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you have a lot of fun doing it. Yes. So, you know, because we had that whole technical thing, we've already done all of our ads. So, please, please just hit the like button for us. Sure the show if you get a chance to and drop into the comments and or into the chat, the live chat on rumble and say what's up. That's a unique, there's a unique chatter metric that helps out quite a bit along with the likes.

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