The CCP’s organ harvesting horror! ‘Killed to Order’

0:00In this political Coliseum, we slay the rising beast with the fateful sword of truth that transcends hypocrisy and censorship. It's time to unleash yourself from the tyrants of media propaganda on the America out loud talk radio network. This is Unleashed, the political news hour. This is Unleashed, the political news hour on the America out loud talk radio network. I'm Chris Cordani, your host for this edition of The Show. I have later on in the program, Janja Kellek of The Epic Times and author of this absolutely eye-opening and fascinating book called Killed to Order. The full title of it is Killed to Order, China's organ harvesting industry, and the true nature of America's biggest adversary.

1:01This goes through 20 plus years of Mr. Yekilek's research and investigative reporting into what has been going on in China. Yes, they've been taking these people called black classes, members of Falun Gang, the Weger Muslims, or whoever else, they deem undesirable. It's usually political prisoners or members of religious orders. People that communists generally try to demonize and turn the public against. It goes farther than that. This is a worldwide network coming from the Chinese organ harvesting industry. There are people from around the world that actually go to China and take these organs. They get transplant through the Chinese Communist Party's demonic system. We'll talk all about that in just a few moments. Let's take some time to look at what's happening around the world. The Iran-US tensions are heating up.

2:02Yes, your liberal friends are whatever, whichever way the tide turns, they're going to, they're going to criticize Donald Trump no matter what. So just take them off of your radar right now. Look at the big picture. We talked about how the idea is to throttle China. And we discussed the idea that we all don't love the idea of war. I'm not a pro-war guy. I'm not for the war 100 percent, but I am not naive as to note that Iran is a threat all around. China is a threat to the US's existence. And the US is a threat to the new world order, and it has to remain so, at least the latter should. Having said that, if you look at what's going on, you're going to hear people say, well, the street of your moose was open before we started the war, before Trump started bombing. Oh, there's this street of war. Well, here is the funny thing about that. If Iran blockades the street of war moose, let me ask you who this hurts more.

3:03Does it hurt the US? Actually, I don't think so. The US already figured things out beforehand. They now have better control of the Panama Canal. We now have better control of the northern passage. So maritime trade is a lot easier. We have better control of maritime trade in the southern hemisphere, at least our side of it. China does not have the power it once had during the Biden and Obama administrations. Trump is once again working on making America an exporter rather than an importer of oil. So, blocking the street of war moose, blockading that actually hurts Iran and other members of the OPEC oil cartel. So, think about that. Remember, these first-order thinkers are like, oh, I don't like it. They're being mean to Iranians. We're colonizers. That's just first-order garbage. These are people who use adult coloring books because they can't stand to wait for an order.

4:08Or when they go to some kind of apple peeps chain or whatever you want to call it. I have no attention span. But if you really delve down into the nitty gritty, you delve down into the strategic portion, and I'm talking on a grand scale. You might think Trump's plan and even not necessarily winning the war and having these negotiations kind of drag on a little bit, at least making the Iranians have the negotiations drag on a little bit is ingenious. In the coming weeks, it's only going to show how show Iran and China are going to be in the future, the near future. And then it would force Iran to the table. Again, we're not going to be as naive as to thank them. They're not going to continue to build their uranium enrichment program. And we're not going to think they're not going to try to build a nuclear weapons program. And we sure as hell are going to hear a peep out of them next time a Democrat president takes office because they're perceived as weaker.

5:11And let's just let's just put that out there. And I'll care what anybody says. World leaders perceive the US Democrat party as weaker and easier to walk all over. Sort of the Henry blakes, if you will, of world leadership. My prediction, the US will come out on top of this whole thing economically. We'll become a major exporter again of oil. Let me tell you something else, Europe is also kind of locked here. They're not about to do business with Russia because they're united front-wise on that, unless they put their noses in the ground and do so after funding Ukraine all this time. And you know, Putin is going to charge him an arm on a nose. The US, Alberta, any oil producing ally of the US, they're the ones that are going to do well economically thanks to this. Iran is going to have to find a way. And yes, I know they're going to lie their way through the negotiations,

6:11but going to find a way to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, which only makes that easier for us anyway. And what happens is, while the new world order types, the world economic forum types, who are trying to get America or kneecap America to seed world power to the Chinese. And of course, they get a big cut of this whole thing. They're going to suffer. They're going to be the ones that lose out and fail. Then it's up to us voters to keep Democrats out of office, especially out of the presidency, in the future to make sure these people don't gain power back and we don't see power to the Chinese Communist Party. You're going to find out a lot more about what this party does and what they probably would do to a lot of us if they managed to gain more control of the world. But first, have you gotten your tickets to the 250-10 celebration from America out loud in Nashville? It's a few days. It's a few great days, a second through fourth of July.

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10:17On the America out loud talk radio network, Chris Gordani here hosting this edition of the show, as you know, the Chinese Communist Party is known for its atrocities against those they perceive and propagandize as enemies of the state. You know, people who speak up and defy the communist dictatorship. The most persecuted groups and individuals are targeted for political persecution, imprisonment, and organ harvesting. Yes, you heard me right. The government forces the removal of their organs. As promised earlier in the program, I have Yanya Kellek. He's a host of, he's a host at Epic Times. He's the host of the influential American thought leaders show and author of the new book, Killed to Order. China's organ harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary. In this book, he delivers Gordani's very deeply into China's practice of forced organ harvesting, which stretches much farther than you think. Yanya, welcome to Unleashed. So good to be here. It's great to have you here. It's an honor to have you here. It's

11:22common practice for communist movements, by the way, to demonize its opposition. China, however, has gone as far as practicing some of the very atrocities committed upon their own people, only years before the revolution. You remember the imperial Japanese headed by Dr. Ishi. In your book, Yanya, you described the origins of your investigation. I went to the forced organ harvesting. This is from hearing, I guess, about a camp in 2006. Talk about that. Let's start there. Absolutely. So, you know, there were actually rumors of the kind of at-scale organ harvesting prior to 2006, when Annie, you're referring to Annie, the whistleblower. That's a pseudonym. She had a husband who was working at a hospital near Sujitun in China, where basically her husband had been doing transplant surges, and he confessed to her after she threatened to leave him after he was having nightmares and, you know, just becoming completely insufferable,

12:26that he had removed thousands of cornyas from living people there, and that there was a kind of a camp, if sorts, where people were like a concentration camp, where people were being held, fallen-gong practitioners, and used for, as kind of unwilling organ donors. And so, this was, you know, a kind of an astonishing allegation, but with a lot of detail that made it credible. This is the researchers that kind of looked at this and, okay, this looks this is looking credible. And simultaneously, this is what was really interesting, completely independently, actually, in Israel. There was a heart transplant surgeon named Jakob Levy, and Jakob Levy had a patient who basically told him one day at a very serious heart condition, was maybe would die soon, and the guy basically said, look, I've got it set up in Communist China in two weeks, and then the guy went and had had it done in two weeks, okay? So this set off all

13:30sorts of red flags for Jakob Levy, who was actually a child of Holocaust survivors, and took this very seriously. See, to go a little back, right, in order to have an ethical transplantation system, you basically need to have a catastrophic accident for someone to become a donor of a heart, okay? And that person, there's a whole bunch of variables that have to come into place. First of all, the body, there has to be circulation in the body itself, because the moment circulation stops, organs degrade very quickly. That's one, okay? Number two, you have to have a situation where there's some kind of matching that happens between the donor organ, because our bodies reject foreign objects, including organs. So the way we deal with that is we match based on blood, type, and based on histology, that's the tissue type, and also the size has to be kind of compatible. My point here is that it's very rare to get this whole thing between you get a car accident,

14:36you get a motorcycle accident, something like this. It's rare to get all these variables to match you, and that's why people wait months or years. That's why this patient was desperate. But in Communist China, he can do it in two weeks. How is that possible? One is that, of course, that catastrophic accident is being manufactured. It's being scheduled. So someone's being killed for an organ here. And number two, the two weeks, that's very difficult to imagine how that would work. And you said something actually very important right at the beginning in your intro to this whole thing, where the Chinese Communist Party has a habit of demonizing its enemies, people it's perceived as its enemies. And in fact, it has a whole industry of this, of creation of black classes over decades. It's called the group that's targeted is called a black class. And what they do is they push massive propaganda into the population, because they control the entire information ecosystem. And they basically say terrible things, kind of straight out of 1930s

15:39Germany, actually. Like, for example, that these people are lesser than us, that they're dangerous, their enemies of the state, they're doing bad things to you, you know, society to society and so forth. So in 1999, this is now what sets up this whole killed to order enterprise. And by the way, that's the name of my book killed to order. This this whole unique extreme form of organ trafficking. So number one, in throughout the 90s, there had been a very, very popular grassroots spiritual movement called Falun Gong. And millions of Falun Gong practitioners started practicing this discipline based on truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance. And it was actually a very visual structure, especially for communist regime, which is I like to say, obscenely top down, it's seemingly hierarchical. Here, there's actually no hierarchy in Falun Gong. There's no worship, even though there's a deep spirituality. There's been a lot of self direction in terms of how

16:42to live the teachings associated with truthfulness, compassion forbearance. And this just kind of spread from one person to another. It also had a lot of health benefits. And by the end of the 90s, 70 to 100 million people were doing it. So this is actually this is what set up this the circumstances that they could build this whole industry that I was just as this killed to order industry. Because the dictator at the time in 1999 decided to eradicate this group to use his word for it. Okay. And by the way, eradicate didn't mean kill everybody. It meant turn them into a black class and then struggle against them, force them, transform them, reeducate them so that they would be basically genuinely flacked in front of the altar of communism and say, yes, no, everything I did was bad. You know, they did this, by the way, with the landowners. There's always black class and communist societies in the early days. They find sandowners, right? They wanted to get take to take their to their land. So they had to explain why it was okay to do that, right, to the population and then impossibly harm these people if they resisted. Falun Gong became

17:47the new black class and they actually because of this sort of unique nature of Falun Gong, they were very resistant to being reeducated. Okay. So they didn't break easily. They didn't get, they didn't basically, you know, give up their truthfulness compassion forbearance quickly. And so they started torturing them in the system. They even had this rule in this as they started incarcerating them that all Falun Gong deaths would be considered suicides. This was in the unwritten rule in their work on these people to whatever extent you need to to break them. And this is what created the second element to get killed to order because they incarcerated so many of these people, maybe a million, maybe two, we don't know the exact numbers, but that's what it was. And that's how you actually get the two weeks because they started blood typing and tissue typing and organ scanning them, you see? And then basically the moment that that person, let's say it's a transplant tourist and there were many of those over the years. Okay. The moment they pay their 100 or

18:49200,000 dollars for a heart. Okay. The moment that transaction is made, there's already someone in the system because there's a million people in a database with all their vitals. And then that person can be just found wherever they are and shipped and killed to order for their organ. And that's what we're talking about. So it's a very extreme form of organ trafficking. It originated around 2000. It grew geometrically through 2005. And then to the scale of about 60 to 100,000 transplants per year by 2016, Ethan Gottman defended those numbers in front of Congress under oath in 2016. This is terrible. Yanya Kellek is with me. He's the author of kill and to order. It's China's organ harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary. This is this is sickening in a lot of ways, at least on the surface even. It goes much, much deeper. But we're looking at the worst elements of Stalinist pogroms combined with some of the more horrible elements of Dr. Ishi's Unit 731, all practiced by the Chinese Communist Party,

19:56which built a farm system of political adversaries they're using. As I guess, as organ, let's say, as we said, on involuntary donors, but you're saying that you just pick these people off the streets because they know where they are. There must be some kind of digital database of them, right? Well, so something this is interesting that you say that because, see, of course, this took time to develop this whole system, right? And so in the early years, you needed to have people incarcerated, right? Because you had to, how are you going to get their vitals otherwise? And by the way, in 2005, the State Department noted that half the people in China's massive incarceration system were felongong practitioners. So there was this added incentive to have lots of felongong practitioners available because that means that you're likely ahead of getting a match for these transplant tourists would be a lot higher, right? And so,

20:57so here's the tragedy, right? By 2014 and 2015, nobody really did anything about this. Not meaningfully, there were some attempts. Some kind of, you know, I would say kind of gullible attempts at how encouraging them to reform, while they kind of fooled us, actually have a whole chapter and killed to order in the book about how the Chinese Communist Party is expert in making us complicit with its own crimes, not just us, but also its own population. And I think a lot of that happened. Yeah, no, 100, 100%. And so when nobody really did anything, right? Basically, they added the weaker people. These were Turkic Muslims from the northwest of China. Very unique, pardon me, not Turkic, but basically a different religion, unique ethnic minority and also dehumanized already because they look different than the Han Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party has been actually fanning the flames of that kind of

21:57sort of fostering racism as part of its way of controlling the population. So then they, you know, dehumanized them further and carcerated perhaps a million, perhaps more of them. And the crazy part there was that actually the whole region in Xinjiang runs as a police province. It's a strategically important area for the Chinese Communist Party. And they're actively, I mean, per U.S. government, you know, kind of determination. They're actively pursuing genocidal policies there where they're trying to eradicate the entire group of people through a whole bunch of different means. So in that province, they actually have taken the vitals of most of the people there, not just incarcerated ones, but just in their homes even through the best of our knowledge. They must have a digital database, which that worries me when nations like our own tries to put something together like that too, a digital database of our vitals as well. That's not a good thing. You don't want that in the wrong hands. And we're seeing that right now. Interesting

22:58you mentioned the Uyghurs, though, Yang. The Uyghur Muslims have been covered by world media here and in Western Europe, first world, if you will. But the CCP also, again, as you mentioned, for a long time, persecuted members of Falun Gong targeting them as well. And the Tibetans, by the way, and neither one of them were getting much press at all. Even now, we don't hear much about this from the mainstream media. Is that kind of a willful omission that's kind of CCP steered? I do remember one of your colleagues was talking, Tiffany Meyer did a documentary about how Hollywood and a lot of the entertainment industry is run by the Chinese Communist Party. Right. Well, so something happened, you know, you're probably familiar how it's a lot less today, but going back 25 years for sure, the New York Times basically set the agenda for reporting, not just in America, but frankly, in many respects globally on issues. It was kind of that they call themselves the paper of record. And they literally, what they put on their front page was

24:00the thing that many others covered. I don't know how that actually exactly how that happened or why it happened that way, but they had this incredible influence. And back in 2001, so this is just two years after Jiang Zemin began the persecution of Falun Gong practitioners. That was the dictator at the time who initiated this, frankly, against the advice of a lot of his own top people, by the way. He blocked the New York Times in China. And so, and actually, the New York Times did some decent, let's call it reporting up until 2001 on the persecution of Falun Gong. You know, there was actually, there was the Wall Street Journal when a Pulitzer for its series of articles about Falun Gong. So there wasn't a lot of good reporting, but there was some and some of these big media actually did that. Many others, unfortunately, were just parroting the regime talking points as if they were, you know, kind of reasonable, reasonable assertions of reality or something like that,

25:01which, of course, they never were. But what happened in 2001 as Salisberger goes into with a whole bunch of editors, top editors to China. And he interviews Jiang Zemin, who you can look up this interview online. I believe it's still there. And you know, Jiang basically skews all sorts of horrible things about Falun Gong. And we don't know exactly what happened, what else happened there, right? But we do know that afterwards the New York Times got unblocked. And we do know just from, you know, a number of researchers kind of looking at how the New York Times has covered Falun Gong, is that around that time there was really never any positive coverage again. Yeah, okay. Interesting. And so this is, you know, it's kind of a huge problem. Even now, as we speak, you know, the New York Times has been actually having putting attack pieces against Shen Yun, which is this American dance performance that basically is kind of a kind of a revitalization of traditional

26:03Chinese dance and culture, which the Chinese Communist Party tried to destroy. The tagline is China before communism. It's been very successful around the world. They have eight companies. They built it from scratch. It's actually like this quintessential American dream success story. In fact, you know, near Middletown, New York is where they have their campus, where they train the dancers. And there's kind of a number of schools in a college and so forth. And, you know, the New York Times has been basically what it looks like, you know, doing reporting around, you know, let's just say very, very narratives that are very, very amenable to the Chinese Communist Party. And I think it's not entirely clear why. But yeah, no, I want to jump in on this because that happened with the local paper around here, the Times Herald record. They used to call it the Times Herald fish wrapper, but that wasn't generally original, I guess. The point is they would, when, when members of Falun Gong were sitting up a complex nearby, they tried to make it, they tried to set, they set an alarmist tone, if you will. They tried to, who is a religious cult is moving in,

27:10kind of equating that with the curious Joel, what we have down in, in the Monterey, in Orange County, New York and trying to, these people have led the flood China there here, and we got a, it was almost a tone we got to watch out for them. If, and I, I knew the people who ran that place and I knew the, I knew the editor, who actually announced in front of a leadership orange graduation that the papers, newspapers should mold how people think rather than report the news. So this is what's been going on. And winds up if you really observe what's going on on the ground floor, Falun Gong members have beautified, have helped beautify the city of Middletown, and have built a very nice complex, they invite people in to go see nearby in Deer Park, and they've they've done, they've been nothing but positive. And, and that's, that's something that is, that, that these outlets tried to overshadow. You know, here's the thing, okay, the Chinese Communist Party is kind of obsessed with, has been obsessed with destroying Shen Yun for years.

28:13And, you know, I think the simplest way to explain why is because it showcases the reality to millions of people every year, that the best of China is not from the Communist Party, which is the sort of the key Communist Party narrative, it's actually from the tradition, which the Chinese Communist Party tried to destroy. I mean, they've gone to great lengths, imagine this, okay, there's actually two Chinese agents that are in jail as we speak, okay, because they try to, they actually stumbled into this FBI stopperation, they thought they were bribing an IRS agent to revoke Shen Yun's non-profit status, okay, but the reality was this was an FBI sting, and they can just imagine, right, like this is the kind of stuff they do, there's the people would move into the region, and you know, this Dragon Springs, which is where the school, the, the Shen Yun sourcing school called Feichin Academy of the Arts is, they would basically keep putting forth these harassing environmental lawsuits again and again, costing like incredible amounts of money

29:16and time and distraction, like again and again, the most recent ones, and this was like, I don't know how many, maybe 10 lawsuits, right, was dismissed with prejudice, basically, finally, like, no, you can't file this again, this is ridiculous, right, but this is the kind of stuff that, that's basically been done over there, and so, and of course, they tend to, I think, like, there's, of course, the Communist Party loves to shape mold how people think, so there's this weird kind of, I don't know, like sympathy for that, or like, I have no idea why the local paper in Middletown would be taking such a position, it's kind of weird. They were pretty leftist, I remember I was doing talk radio with the Times, he's like, he actually took a moment to learn about Fel and Gong, right, and how it actually works. Like, I mentioned a little bit, right, about, how it actually structured, it's like, it would be, it would be insane to consider it, you know, it's a use the kind of, I don't even like to repeat the sort of slanderous language that you described to me earlier, because I feel it kind of, it's kind of sticky, right, left-sander is sticky,

30:20and sticks in our heads, but, but basically, like, you know, Fel and Gong, it's actually, to be, also, to be fair, it's unusual for a structure in American society, because it doesn't really have any organization, like, you don't join anything, it's not, there's no roster or membership, like, what makes you a Fel and Gong practitioner is living these teachings, by the way, another translation of them is to be true, good, and endure. I recently remembered, I learned this, like, years ago, and I kind of forgot about it, but it's actually, it kind of, it kind of speaks, it's almost easier to understand that way, like, this is what people are actually living, and another, you know, I mentioned that there's no worship, there's no collection of funds of any certain fact, it's, like, these are things that are just kind of, there's, if there are any rules, it's not. Another rule, and I thought this is really fascinating, that something I would call a rule, is that, if you're, if I love, I'm so impressed with someone that's a Fel and Gong practitioner, that's, you know, being true, good, and enduring, really well, right? I can't really emulate that

31:20person, if I'm a practitioner, I have to kind of understand the teachings and find my own path through them. It's not, there's no copying isn't allowed, being performative isn't allowed, you really have to want to do it, and that's really, and so, when I, when I look at it, it's almost like, the system was designed, I can't speak to, I was, it's almost like it was designed, to minimize the different forms of social pressure that, of course, exist naturally in human societies, as part of human nature and so forth. But so, how would you design a system that would minimize all of that? Of course, you can't remove it entirely, but it would, it's, it's Fel and Gong to me, seems like that. So, it's almost, if anything, it's sort of like an antique cult or some, or if you, if you were just to, you know, something like that, and it's actually not hard to figure out, if you take a moment to actually look at how it works and how people function. So, it's just that, that those kind of monocurs, right, and, and casting that suspicion, that's straight out of the Communist Party playbook. Absolutely. Communist Party here, the Communist Party there and all around, all around the world. Young Yikellik is with me on

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35:40dot shopping for you or america out loud family. Use the code out loud for a special discount. Back with me here. Yon, you kill it. Well, this the organ harvesting, I will say industry. We talked about this as a black market and some other countries around the world. This is government sponsored. That stretches very, very far. Let's see what we're doing here. But Chinese organ harvesting industry is considered unethical in the US and other nations. It's criminal, if you will, yet your order of case is in the book where people within these ethical nations, putting ethical in quotes because what we're talking about here, have received organs from Chinese doctors stolen from political prisoners. So how does this business and work underground advertising word of mouth elite circles or think nothing of how these organs were harvested? How does this business and work here? Well, there's there's there's a few different scenarios. Okay, I actually open the book and by

36:42the way, thank you for saying you're the kind things about the book. It is 20 years of work on and off that went into it. It's available at killtoorder.com for those of you that might be interested. That's a quick Amazon link. But going back, right, I open the book with a composite character from her perspective. Her name is me and she actually is someone who is having severe kidney trouble and she needs to go on dialysis and she knows very well that half the people after five years of dialysis are no longer with us. So this is a serious, very serious thing. And then she has a condition that kidneys aren't readily available and she hears about the China option from some people talking to each other in a medical ward. And so ultimately decides to go for it. Doesn't think through too much exactly where it might be coming from because what she's thinking about is her family. She's thinking about wanting to live longer for her children and so

37:43forth. In these kinds of situations, and then later she realizes, hey, wait a second, these reports are coming out, where what did I do? And I think that that's actually one very real scenario. I think that a key theme in killtoorder is how the Chinese Communist Party actually instrumentalizes absolutely everything. What I mean by that, it uses everything that's possible to be used as a tool as a weapon of sorts that way. And that could be body human bodies. And basically uses that as a tool for profit and as they're removed from people, the destruction of a group they don't like. So they're using this system of killtoorder to do that. They also take advantage of our desperation. They use our desperation as a tool and our gullibility and our greed. This is part of how we built in the West, that biggest adversary of America by leveraging bamboozling us into

38:45believing that we would, truthfully telling us that we could make massive profits if we help them. But bamboozling us into believing this was a long-term strategy for changing them because they never intended to liberalize in any way. We had lots of evidence for that. Even 25 years ago, and it was a 95-5 issue, everyone believed we would. So it's this desperation that's basically leveraged. But it's also, some people don't have that very strong moral high ground. Strong morals, especially people who aren't in the Judeo-Christian tradition or Thalengal practitioners or people who believe in this in a dignity of every human being. And it's just unthinkable to have someone killed so you could live, right? It's just not. I had this kind of, I don't know, almost traumatic, I would say, discussion on the podcast with Mike

39:49Roe a few weeks ago about this issue where he says to me, if it was my daughter, I might actually think about it. And I say, Mike, I don't think you would do it. I know you well enough. Now that you wouldn't do it, but do you see, to think about it for your daughter that you've been raising for however long a people might think about it and actually should have convinced themselves that something like this is okay, right? It's a conundrum, because when I say looking out for number one on my behalf, I always say, well, I'm going to do the best to get myself a leg up to get a job or a leg up to what a trivia contest. That's looking out for number one to me. But if you're trying to protect your family, a lot of people will do desperate things. And in many cases, illegal or extremely immoral or reprehensible things to protect that family. So, Mike Roe, I hate to say that Mike Roe brings up a point, but that's a point that a lot of Americans,

40:49a lot of people around the world would say, oh my gosh, is it them or me or my daughter or my son? Right. But the point is that you might think about even if you decide it, ultimately, which I think Mike would, I could never do this and nor would my daughter allow it, probably. I'm guessing he raised her well. Even though I haven't met her, they pray on this precisely. Then I'll just add one more thing here. Do you remember there was this hot Mike moment, maybe back in September, when Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un were actually in Tiananmen Square observing a people's liberation army parade? Do you remember this? I remember this. I remember this happened. Yeah. And so, I mean, it was a crazy moment for me. My phone started ringing constantly or buzzing because I don't have my ringer on usually. I think it's one of the one where Xi Jinping was looking

41:51for Christopher Robin. Oh, I'm sorry. Had to put it in there. No. No, and this is the crazy thing. So what they got caught on this hot Mike, right? And I'll paraphrase this, right? But basically, Xi says to Putin, when we're 70, he's 72, I think, right? When we're 70, we're just babies, right? And Putin says back to Xi, through continual organ transplantation, maybe even we can achieve immortality. Wow. Right? And then Xi responds, he says, our target, or we think we can reach 150 years in the century. And so, I mean, my mind was blown at this moment. I'll tell you why because I was, I realized that of the limits of my own thinking. I had known for some time that there was this elite longevity project that the Chinese Communist Party had been running. And, you know, by some estimates, actually, you know, I think it was in 2008, when, you know, sort of,

42:54they were saying the average lifespan in China was something like 72 years. The elites were saying, and this is their propaganda. So you have to take it with a grain of salt that they're living 88 years. Okay? So 16 year increase in life spans pretty, pretty, pretty good, right? And so how, how are they doing this? Well, he didn't do it on just a, just barrels of honey every day. Well, he's, I like, I like how you're bringing a little levity to this because this is so dark, right? I'm sure it had never occurred to me, right? That I knew there was elite longevity, this project, and I knew that they had forced organ harvesting, but I didn't imagine that the elite longevity project had as its centerpiece the forced organ harvesting industry, right? And we had even, there was this really weird, creepy anecdote that I received. It was an obituary of a state-level minister who, in the obituary, sort of gushed at how amazing it was that this guy had multiple organs transplanted and lived longer as a result, right? And it's like, how did, you know,

43:58you first, you wonder, like, how did this happen? I don't know, but it's there, right? But then it had a whole lot more significance to me when I, after this hot mic moment. So, you know, imagine, right? Like, we're talking about a $9 billion annual industry, a $9 billion annual industry, okay? I mean, like, this, these are, this is approximate numbers, but I would say conservative estimate, okay? But what if if you're Chinese super elite, you actually have, based on what we heard, right? Organs on demand available to you in perpetuity. Yeah. This is, this is what people say about the dark web, but this is actually happening above board for the world elites. And I don't y'all expect that you went and do anything about this. All things considered, China has been on, it has been on its human, human rights council as recently as what, in that last couple of years. It's, it's the one of the most ridiculous things you can imagine, right? Because it's like right

44:58now on the human rights council. I mean, I think it's like four of the nations are like just very, not just human rights abusers, but very serious human rights abusers. And China, of course, at the lead in the lead. So, it doesn't make any sense. They've actually made a whole project. You want to talk about, you know, instrumentalizing thing. Look how they instrumentalized world health organization during COVID, right? They basically just sort of, they said, so what so what happened? And they're like, oh, it's not transmissible. So the WHO said, hey, it's not transmissible as if, as if you can, you know, trust what the CCP ever says when this that ever worked out, right? Oh, absolutely. The other ones that got the, the ones that give Americans the idea of lockdowns. Oh, 100%. So this is, so this is one of the terrible things about engagement, right? So when we, we had this idea, right, that we would change them for years. We had this idea. We were convinced that by pumping that cash into communist China, we were going to liberalize them.

46:01They were going to become a Taiwan or a South Korea, but they had no intention of liberalizing. And they were killing people for their faith, okay? Back in 2000, back when they'll sort of the height of this man mania, right? And it's just so obvious, right? There's a reason the first amendment is the first amendment, right? It's our, in the Bill of Rights. It's our, it's our fundamental right, our fundamental protection from government, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of belief, freedom of conscience. It's our core core right. And if they're, so if you're a regime that's killing people literally for exercising this right, for not breaking, right? For not allowing yourselves to be broken and believing what you want to believe, thinking what you want to think, you can't be liberalizing. It should, it should be obvious, right? But we really, almost of us, I mean, even before 2000, I think I even believed that, even though, you know, I hadn't been, because I didn't really know anything about China. I just kind of kind of pulled into it the whole China human rights space and kind of,

47:02almost by happenstance. And then I was kind of, you know, the evidence hit me over the head, but so it's, it's, it's been a long road to get here. And that big, big, important piece of kill to order is helping people understand this. That, that, that this is not a regime that you can really collaborate with in a meaningful way. And you have the only way they really kind of respond is through leverage. And they don't believe in win win. They don't believe in collaboration. When they say we're collaborating, they're thinking to themselves, how can I abuse you? How can I take advantage of this? How can I subvert you? They're not thinking about, they're not thinking about a legitimate collaboration at all. And ever. And this, this is the thing that it's so critical to understand, because, you know, it's cost us so much. And we built the world our biggest adversary by not realizing it. John, you can look at it. This brings us to another component. Your book is is is read the book, if you're listening again, that's, it's called killed to order. And it's, it goes

48:05into the organ harvesting, it goes into the how deep it goes around the world and who, who can be involved in this. But this, this goes a little deeper as far as geopolitics is concerned. We've seen talking heads advocate for seeding world power to China. Even, I haven't heard talk of Carlson mentioned this. We've also seen this move during the Obama administration. More so when that administration kind of done behind the scenes in the Biden administrations, maybe seeding world power to China economically at least. China has been a prime component in building the de-dollarization movement. That's their darling called the bricks, bricks nations. How far off am I if I were to suggest here, Jan? And these nations of some NGOs and globalist elites were purposely looking the other way to what's going on and leading the media to do the same. At China's forced organ harvesting of, of, of, of, of, of Hong Kong practitioners, other deep black classes to complete or kind of ease into such a power shift. Am I, am I off here?

49:07No, so, you know, this is a, I think there's been kind of a nihilistic movement in the west. And I don't know entirely the reason. There's, there's actually, there's whole books that have been written about this at this, this is some extent. But there's this idea that we're just in the decline and that decline is somehow inevitable. There was a book called the, I, written by Graham Allison, you know, the top Harvard professor, the decidities trap, right? And he argues this that, you know, America is the, is the declining nation, China's the rising nation. And we just have to kind of agree to that. This is just what's going to happen, right? And so, it's weird. This, this sort of weird narrative of inevitability. And this isn't, again, remember, this is not China, like traditional China, and it's glory during the Tang dynasty and its open mind and pluralistic society and everything. No, this is communist China. This is a totalitarian regime,

50:10right? That seeks to subvert anything that isn't of its ilk, that it can't control. Right? So, like, even if, even if you weren't, even if this were remotely true, which I don't think it is, actually, I think it's like, it's only true in a sense of it being a self fulfilling prophecy, okay? But even if it weren't true, we would have to fight it to the end, right? It's like, it's like, how, because the world that exists if Chinese Communist Party, though, though, let's say you believe these multi polarity narratives, right? We have to see some, some piece of the power to the truth. That's another one. Yeah, that's beautiful. Right. All that kind of stuff. Yeah, the world, you're basically condemning people to a living hell, right? Unless you're, of course, part of the super elite. That's, then you have it quite good, right? But it's really a bad future, especially for freedom, you know, for any freedom loving people, right? And there's, you know, every society, whether it's free or not, has freedom loving people in it, freedom of kind of requiring people. And I would argue those people actually

51:13are drive, you know, kind of the best of society in a way. And certainly that's part of why America has been so successful because it's the people who crave that, who crave entrepreneurship and doing things their own way and coming up with their own ideas and feels, you know, totally stifled under totalitarian dictates. They come here because they know they can actually make something of themselves and and and kind of, you know, like break the break the glass ceiling, if you will, or something like that. We're in whatever area if they just have the gumption and the will. So, you know, this is, I'm so disturbed by this that there's some, there are way too many people that are, you know, there's all these variations of the same narrative that just America's in decline, it's inevitable. And like just that it's just not except, it's not an acceptable narrative. We'd be pushing like you can think it to yourself. But if you're like convincing others of it, you're, you're basically making it happen, right? The people convincing others of this are the ones that stand to benefit from it. That's, that's my belief. And secondly, this, all this, this whole

52:17blocking out certain reporting of China, a Hollywood making making sure China, China is reported or portrayed in only a positive light, all of this comes together in that respect. And I mean, maybe the power shift isn't going to happen, but this could creep right in. Nothing that torques off the globalists elites more than a freedom, a society like you described, a society where people escape to and are able to make something of themselves and and enjoy the freedoms. They don't want that. They want control. And China has drawn up, has drawn up a, I hate to say, well, let's say I'll say brilliant, but I'm using that in quotes, but a blueprint to, to total and utter control that European and European nations and North American nations used during the COVID era to sort of experiment on their people. And it's really, it's really, so this is, it's actually very instructive. Let me just comment on this, okay? Because, you know, we saw the epitome of this totalitarian mind in China's zero

53:19COVID policies where we saw people being welded into their homes, okay? I mean, just a very extreme thing. And then attempt to control respiratory virus. And this is, so this is the totalitarian mind personified and we somehow bought into it. You know, our own, our own guidance around respiratory viruses said, you should never do this kind of thing. You should really never do this kind of why? Because, because, you know, let's call it the economy, but it really, it's just life, okay? Sort of economic and human activity need to continue if you decide, when you, if you destroy that, if you shut it down, if you break it for any substantive period of time, you know, there's wild amounts of very negative second order effects that come from that, right? And so, but the totalitarian mind can't understand, they just can't fathom this, it just believes it can control everything. You can understand the entire system and then it can even control respiratory virus, which it never could. It was, it was a pipe dream from the beginning and

54:20just our own kind of our own research and guidance in our own public health express this, right? We just, we picked a route because we somehow believe that that communist China got it under control, right? Through these totalitarian methods. And of course, it absolutely didn't. And the idea that there was no COVID in China, remember, we saw these graphs, right? It was totally free. Oh, yeah. Because I was like, like, horribly, comically, I mean, nasty, anyone that was putting these graphs up, I was, I was just horrified by it. Because like, what? Like, you believe their numbers, somehow, like, oh, yeah, decide, like, you know, I just, it just doesn't make any sense. They don't have, they don't publish truthful things, except when they're politically convenient. And all of their numbers are a political purpose, not reality expression purposes or something like that. Sometimes those overlap. But every communist regime is like that. They're out there just to try to get you to believe their system is the best. And they're, they, they can tell you, they believe they're on the moral high ground to tell you such lies, too. That's another thing.

55:22I wish we had a lot more time. Yanya Kellek of the epic times. And of course, host of American thought leaders and author of this great book, killed to order, China's work in harvesting industry and the true nature of America's biggest adversary goes even deeper than we, we only had 40 minutes to talk. It goes much, much deeper. And I say, get it. Where can our listeners find that again? And the website. Thank you. So killed to order.com is the direct Amazon link. That's the fastest, easiest way. That's why I use that. I basically linked that Amazon link because that's the easiest way to get it. But you can also get it at your local bookstore. I would encourage you to, if you have a local bookstore, ask them to get it, you know, get your local, ask your local local library to get it. But, but the quickest way is killed to order.com. And please, you know, this is actually we, I think this is one of these issue where awareness is really kind of makes the difference. And that's why I'm really trying to, the book has actually made the New York Times bestseller list, which is astonishing to me. It tells me that there's really an interest in this

56:25issue. Finally, after so many years, and we're kind of, this is kind of a movement forming to actually take action at the very least, reduce our own complicity in this horrible enterprise. Thank you very much. Yanya Kilek for being with us. I'm Chris Cordenny. And we are about to end this wonderful session of Unleashed the Political News Hour. I want to thank you all for being with me. And I want to thank you all for helping us unleash the truth.