The Camden Ripper - Anthony Hardy

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1:00help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles, and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice. West Coast University, as real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. He was intelligent, highly educated, and once appeared destined for success. But behind that seemingly ordinary life was a deeply disturbed and increasingly dangerous man. Over the years, violence, disturbing allegations, and repeated warnings about his behavior followed him until he eventually settled into a small apartment in London. But what happened inside that apartment would earn him one of the most infamous names in modern British criminal history. He became known as the Camden Ripper. This is the story of Anthony Hardy, aka the Camden Ripper.

2:06My name's Ben. I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim. A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for a mature audience. Do you know that song, Your Love, by the Outfield? I don't know. I have to hear things to know. Well, it's that song goes, jocey is on a vacation. Yeah. Right. Well, jocey is our lone patron subscriber this week, and she's on a vacation over in Patreon and join all that good stuff behind the scenes and exclusive content. I was like, where are you going with this? I didn't see that coming in the least.

3:09I'm glad. So shout out to you, jocey. Yeah, thank you. That's awesome. I thought it hit the ground running with that one. You sure did. No one was prepared already. No one. You didn't have your pants tightened up enough for it. No. Did they, did I blow you pants off you or something like that? Oh my gosh. Uh, thankfully not. You did the string up on those slacks this morning. That's what you're saying. I sure did. My bright blue sweatpants, you know. Hey, it's, it's a lazy day in this tiny home today. We did a pre show. We were talking about the fog that's out there right now. It is spooky. It is. It falls officially here. Oh, yeah. It is sure here. Summer is over. Yeah. I do have to admit though, um, we got a cast iron, cauldron. I think we talked about it already. I think we got to do some more soups and stuff in that sucker. It's been amazing so far. You're like obsessed with it. It's so awesome. It's amazing. Okay, but can you do anything else in there? Because like for some reason, I just want to eat mac and cheese out of it.

4:10Yeah, you could. You could definitely do mac and cheese in that. And make the whole, like make the roux and everything. Well, I mean traditional mac and cheese. I don't think actually uses a roux, but we usually do a roux. We do kind of like an Alfredo cheesy sauce. Yeah. Um, I mean, yeah, I think so. Huh. I'm not. I am. I'd feel like a badass stirring up some mac and cheese in there. Oh my gosh. I would like make my life. The cause which you vibe is stirring a cauldron, not of potions or bruise, but of mac and cheese. And then you're like, hell yeah. Freakin. Yeah. Just live your life and eat mac and cheese is so good. I just picture that like typical, stereotypical, like witch in a forest, big bonfire in just a full moon, just stirring the cauldron and the camera slowly pans over and it's just mac and cheese and you're like, you want a bowl? That's what I think. Yeah, the cackle just came out even to hear that. Oh my God. That would be me, honestly. That sounds epic.

5:11That sounds amazing. That does. I want to recreate this scene. We've got a big bowl of like real parmesan cheese in the fridge right now too. You could like do like nice parmesan crust on top and. Ooh. Yeah, Ben's a bougie bitch. And when he goes to Costco, he has to buy parmesan cheese. He spends 40 bucks on this shit and we have parmesan cheese in the fridge always pretty much. I don't know if I'm going to pronounce it right, but I'm going to do my best. It's parmesan, regiano is how you actually pronounce real parmesan cheese. It is the most bootlegged food in the world. Most like copied, faked, you know, you get like faked clothing and stuff. Yeah, they fake parmesan. Oh, yeah. Real parmesan can only come from a certain area over, I believe, is Italy and it's a certain area where the bacteria can grow there and create the proper cheese. Nor else in the world can recreate this bacteria and recreate the cheese. I like how I just got to go in here.

6:11Gosh, sorry, everyone. You're a bit of a whineau. I'm a cheese though. Oh, okay. And you know, when you like go shopping at Costco and you just like don't want related running to anyone or talk to anyone, if you run into Ben while he's buying the parmesan, he will sell you the parmesan. Oh, yeah. No complete strangers. I've seen them looking at like fake parmesan and real parmesan and I always like, like, that's a good choice. It's real stuff or I see the fake people grabbing the fake shaker stuff and I'm like, okay, don't be wrong. It's good. But do you want the real deal? Yeah. Even better. It's just over here and I like, lead them there and I'm like, get it. It's so good, so worth it. You should probably work for them to be honest. I should. Though I will admit, it is expensive, but it's delicious and worth it. It does up level a dish for sure. I'll give you that. Well, I think we should move on because this is not wickering rim the true cheese podcast. This is the true rhyme podcast. Mm-hmm. Yes, let's move on. Though cheese is awesome, but yeah, let's let's move on. Okay. Let's move on. I'm so excited.

7:12I'm excited. Yeah. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. So Anthony John Hardy was born on May 31st, 1951 in Burton uptrend Staffordshire, England. He was born into a working-class family and he was one of five children. His father worked as a local minor and there wasn't anything in Anthony's early life that suggested where he would eventually end up. In fact, by most accounts, he was intelligent. He did really well in school and was particularly strong. He passed his exams, attended grammar school, and eventually earned a place at Imperial College London where he studied engineering and was said to have graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. For a time, Anthony seemed to be building an entirely conventional life. He worked professionally, and at one point held a management position. And in 1972, he married Judith TWhite, who was described as his university sweetheart. Together, they went on to have four children, two sons and two daughters, and the family eventually moved to Australia, settling into Tasmania.

8:17But that ordinary life soon began to fracture badly in the early 1980s. In fact, on April 5, 1982, Anthony attacked Judith inside their home. The assault began at approximately 6.30 am, while Judith was still in bed. Anthony had taken a plastic bottle, filled it with water, froze it, and then used it as a weapon to strike his wife in the head. With Judith dazed and semi-conscious, he then moved her into the bathroom, where he then attempted to hold her head beneath the water that he had filled in the bathtub. What is happening here? Hitting the ground running in this case, trust me. The attack reportedly stopped when the couple's oldest child entered the bathroom and began screaming upon what they were seeing. Anthony's choice of weapon was especially disturbing for this incident. Now, reportedly, Anthony had deliberately filled up this bottle and froze it so that it would be solid ice and could be used as a blunt weapon. Then his plan was to thaw it out,

9:22melting it afterwards to discard it. In fact, Anthony apparently later told police that the idea had been inspired by a novel in which an ice weapon was used because it would disappear once it melted. Anthony also told police that he had been thinking about the attack for roughly two weeks in advance. He also said he was intoxicated when he carried it out. Thankfully, Judith survived the incident. Despite the seriousness of the attack, Anthony was not prosecuted for attempted murder of his wife. The exact reason why is unclear, but what we do know is that he was instead admitted to psychiatric care in Australia, where he was assessed for problems involving depression, mania, and personality disturbance. Many records also describe Anthony as someone who was suffering from bipolar disorder, with longstanding problems with alcohol and episodes of psychiatric instability. But regardless of his diagnosis, the violence towards Judith did not end there.

10:24After Anthony left psychiatric care, he was accused of locking her in a hotel room and threatening to kill her. Judith thankfully didn't stick around much after this, but that doesn't mean it wasn't difficult for her. She initially began divorce proceedings, then withdrew them, then filed them again in February of 1985. Their marriage finally ended in the mid-1980s. And what followed from there was a prolonged campaign of harassment. Anthony was accused of repeatedly following Judith, breaking into her property, sending threatening messages and ignoring a restraining order that was in place. He even threw a brick through her window at one point. And this behavior, well, it ultimately resulted in a prison sentence for one year in 1987. But by the end of the decade, the stability of Anthony's earlier life had largely disappeared. He returned to Britain from there, struggled to maintain steady employment and spent periods in psychiatric treatment. There are also reports that he worked

11:24as a mini cab driver during this period, but by the early and mid-1990s, Anthony was moving between hostels and other temporary accommodations and it cemented his serious problems with alcohol as well. His mental health continued to deteriorate and he accumulated further encounters with police involving theft, aggression, and intimidating behavior as well. However, it was his behavior towards women that drew police attention. In 1998, Anthony was arrested after a woman involved in sex work accused him of sexual assault and raping her. That woman was an 18-year-old runaway who Anthony had allowed to stay at his apartment before the alleged attack occurred. Now this case ultimately did not result in a conviction. In fact, Anthony had also been investigated in connection with three separate rape allegations around the same time, but police said there had been insufficient evidence to bring charges. Holy shit, given his record, it probably should have put him back in jail. Probably, but the problem is evidence.

12:31Also, what the hell is happening here? He was a married man, had four children. Now, as soon as he's just a complete menistice society, I'm having trouble understanding that. Basically, whatever he had, whether it was mental or whether it was just a desire, something caused him to basically crumble because he went to school for engineering. He was in management and he had a good position. He had a home. Children, family, you name it, but he threw it all away. Wow. Okay, that's crazy. Now, by around the year 2000, Anthony had been given a ground floor council apartment at number four, Heartland, on the college place estate of Royal College Street in Camden. Kings Cross, the famous train station, was only a short distance away. And at the time, while the surrounding area had a visible street sex work scene, Anthony was known to you sex workers regularly. And neighbors remembered him as strange and withdrawn. Sometimes aggressive and other

13:34times heavily intoxicated. Inside his home, Anthony lived alone, consuming alcohol with an extensive pornography library and the remnants of what had once been a very different life surrounding him. He'd gone from an imperial college engineering graduate with a wife, four children, and a professional career to a man with a history of domestic violence, psychiatric hospitalization, imprisonment, alcohol abuse, and repeated allegations of violence towards women. By January 2002, Anthony had been living at number four, Heartland in Camden for roughly two years. His ground floor apartment sat beneath another residence, and Anthony had become involved in an ongoing dispute with the neighbor above him, reportedly over water leaking down into his property. In the early hours of January 20th, 2002, that dispute escalated. Anthony poured acid taken from a car battery through the neighbor's letter box and painted obscene graffiti across their front door.

14:36At approximately 6.40 a.m., police arrived to investigate the damage. While examining the area outside the upstairs apartment, officers noticed droplets and footprints leading away from the scene towards the downstairs floor and two Anthony's apartment. They knocked on his door, but there was no answer. Officers returned a short time later and knocked again. This time Anthony did open the door. He eventually admitted to damaging his neighbor's property, and even showed police the black paint he used to paint the graffiti. While officers were inside his home for questioning, something else caught their attention. One of the bedroom doors next to them was closed and locked tightly. Anthony told them that the room belonged to someone else, a tenant or a lodger who was away, someone who shared the space. He claimed that he didn't have the key. As officers prepared to take him away into custody for the criminal damages, Sergeant Nick Spinks searched his clothing, making sure he didn't have any

15:36weapons or sharp implements on him. And inside his coat, they happened to find a key. Now that key happened to fit the lock for that bedroom door. When police opened that door, they found a woman lying naked on the bed with a towel covering her head. Her name was Sally Rose White. Sally was 31 years old. She had been living a very difficult and unstable life in London. She was involved in sex work around King's Cross and had struggled with crack cocaine addictions. She'd last been seen the previous day on January 19th at a homeless charity. But now she was found dead inside Anthony Hardy's bedroom. Oh no, I thought maybe that she would still be alive wholly frig. Okay. There was blood found around the backside of Sally's head and on the bedding. While blood was also discovered inside the hood of an article of her clothing, which suggested she may have been wearing it when the injury to her head had occurred before the garment was

16:38actually removed. Police also observed a bite mark on her thigh and beside the bed was an unusual item. A bucket containing warm water and a sponge. The water's temperature was reportedly approximately 25 degrees Celsius, despite the room itself being around 19 degrees Celsius, which suggested that the water had been drawn relatively recent. With Anthony intending to do whatever it was, police didn't know they couldn't establish something just simply by this bucket being there. But the circumstances all added up to a troubling detail in an already disturbing room. No kidding. This guy is disgusting. Now Anthony's demeanor reportedly changed dramatically once the door was opened. Sergeant Spinks recalled him sweating heavily. And when questioned about the dead woman in his bedroom, Anthony denied knowing how she'd even gotten there. He blamed his drinking, said that he suffered blackouts. And in another count, he told investigators he'd been drunk,

17:41gone to sleep, and just woke up to find her there. Needless to say, Anthony was arrested on the suspicion of murder. Earn your farm, Deanna's littlest 33 months with West Coast University's hybrid program, no bachelor's degree required. Eligible transfer credits may be accepted. West Coast University, as real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think. West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in his littlest 33 months, and no bachelor's degree is required to apply. If you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere, WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles, and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice. West Coast University, as real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. Earn your farm, Deanna's littlest 33 months with West Coast University's hybrid program, no bachelor's degree required. Eligible transfer credits may be

18:43accepted. West Coast University, as real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. The physical evidence that investigators had spoke volumes. Sally was dead behind a door. Anthony claimed he could not open, yet had the key for. She had visible injuries. Blood was found around her head inside her clothing. There was a bite mark on her body. Her clothes had been removed in a bucket of warm water sat right nearby. But determining whether Anthony had killed Sally depended heavily on the medical evidence. The post-mortem was conducted by home office pathologist Dr. Freddie Patel, and he found that Sally actually had an underlying cardiovascular disease. Now Dr. Patel concluded that she had died naturally from a heart attack rather than the result of any sort of violence. For detectives, that finding changed absolutely everything. Now despite the post-mortem findings, police were still suspicious about the circumstances

19:47of Sally's death. According to Sergeant Spinks, they requested a second examination of her body to make sure nothing had been missed. But the result did not change. Her death again was attributed to natural causes, with the injuries found on her body considered unrelated to the cause of her death. I don't actually really know if I agree with that either because she have had a heart attack too because she was bound and kidnapped basically. The stress of that have done that to her almost. She wasn't bound, though, for one thing. But you are on the right track. Yes, the heart attack could have been caused by some of these other injuries, the violence that she may have endured. But what evidence do you have to suggest that? All you have to say is that she has an underlying heart condition and she suffered some sort of heart attack and died. Dang, I don't know. That just doesn't sit well with like, okay,

20:48I'll just continue listening, but he better not get away with it. You're 100% right. I agree with you. Don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to argue for what the evidence is on hand and what the investigators and pathologists are discussing. The discussion is the evidence does not show the violence equal heart attack. They're in a tough position as well, clearly. Exactly. So now without medical evidence establishing homicide, the police couldn't treat the circumstances inside Anthony's bedroom as proof of murder. The coroner's inquest soon followed and the evidence of Sally's heart condition carried enormous weight with it. And the conclusion was that there had been no foul play or third party involvement in her death was established. The murder inquiry effectively ended there. Anthony had been arrested for her murder, but with no basis to continue proceedings against him for her death, he simply walked free. Oh, jeez, that is not okay. Now Anthony still faced consequences for what had brought officers

21:51to the building in the first place. He admitted the criminal damage charges involving his neighbor's property and he was charged for that offense. And on January 22, 2002, two days after Sally was found, Anthony appeared at Highbury Corner, Magistrate's Court in connections with the incident. He eventually pleaded guilty to criminal damages, but by then concerns were also being raised about his mental health. Anthony initially remained in custody before being transferred to psychiatric treatment. And in March of 2002, the court dealt with the criminal damage offense by making an order under Section 37 of the Mental Health Act, allowing Anthony to be treated in hospital for treatment rather than sent back to the community. He was eventually admitted to St. Luke's Hospital in Muswell Hill, North London, where staff were already familiar with a man who had been receiving psychiatric services intimately here for years. But Anthony presented an

22:53unusual problem. Inside the structured environment to the hospital, he could appear cooperative, intelligent, and relatively stable. Staff described periods in which he behaved like a model patient. He participated in treatment, spoke openly with doctors, and generally followed the rules. In fact, there were extended periods where clinicians observed no obvious symptoms of any serious mental illness. But that didn't mean they considered him harmless, though. Doctors had access to a very troubling history. There was the evidence against his former wife, his alcohol abuse, previous aggressive and intimidating behavior, and the 1998 rape allegations and other allegations involving women. Then most recently, a woman had been discovered dead inside his locked bedroom in his apartment under circumstances that immediately led police to suspect murder, even though her death had ultimately been ruled natural. Forensic assessments even described Anthony's behavior as characterized by impulsiveness,

23:58a lack of forethought about the consequences of his actions. Serious, irresponsible behavior, an inability to learn from experience and little concern for the feelings of others. The assessment warned of a strong possibility that Anthony would reoffend and could cause someone serious physical or psychological harm if he returned to the community. His treating consultant Dr. Ian Collis was also concerned about the dangers Anthony presented outside the hospital. According to accounts of his treatment, Dr. Collis repeatedly warned that Anthony remained capable of violence and that women particularly involved those in sex work were at heightened risks. In fact, as many as six separate warnings concerning Anthony's potential danger were recorded during his hospitalization. But beyond evaluations, there actually were some incidents that unsettled staff as well. At one point, Anthony reportedly had a bottle bearing the words,

25:04quote, Sally Rose White, R-I-P, end quote. Staff were also said to have been uncomfortable with female employees being alone with him. Now, none of this meant Anthony was constantly psychotic or visibly unstable. In fact, that was part of the difficulty because he frequently appeared calm and manageable. But that's probably because Anthony wanted out. In May 2002, he challenged his detention before a panel of hospital managers. Now, the attempt failed as the available assessment continued to describe a man whose behavior outside the controlled hospital environment could be unpredictable, particularly when alcohol was involved and his detention remained in place. But during the months that followed, however, Anthony was gradually allowed greater freedom outside the ward. One particular serious allegation emerged from this period during the summer of 2002. Apparently, while Anthony was permitted outside of the hospital, a woman

26:05involved in sex work accused him of raping her. Accounts of the allegation describe Anthony using his considerable body weight of 308 pounds to pin the woman beneath him, restricting her ability to move and even to breathe. She, of course, quickly reported what happened, but like before, the allegations didn't result in a conviction and therefore remained an allegation rather than an established criminal offense. Now, that's, I just want to say, a big pattern with Anthony is the evidence is not there to convict him. Oh, yeah, but I feel like when you have enough people that are having these allegations, it's like, gosh, it sucks. Like you have, you want to believe them. You probably do believe them. You probably should. But the problem is with the systems. Evidence needs to be there. You have to have evidence to connect the dots. If you don't, it's strictly hearsay as far as these systems I goes. So you need that evidence. And then,

27:12meanwhile, you have this person out there who's just continuing to do all this terrible stuff to other people. Exactly. Now, I feel like we're going to be on the same page with this. Like, I feel you 100% there's so many times where he should have been locked up already. But he's just getting away with it. Yeah, he's like slipping through the cracks really. Yeah, and it's frustrating. Trust me. Now, speaking of frustrating, let me continue because by autumn, the question of Anthony's release returned. The hospital's clinical team continued to express their concerns and forensic mental health reports described Anthony as having a personality disorder that was effectively untreatable and warned of a substantial risk that he would reoffend and cause serious harm. However, when the three-person panel of hospital managers met to consider Anthony's detention again, apparently that report that stated those things was reportedly sitting unopened in a hospital's

28:13post room somewhere else and wasn't available to them when they made their decision. So the panel concluded that Anthony no longer needed to be detained under section 37. And on November 4th, 2002, his compulsory detention was discharged in November 14th. Anthony finally left the hospital after the completed discharge process. I feel like my blood is just like starting to boil here. I'm with you. Trust me. Now, I might argue a little bit on this one today because I got to, you know, tell the story and the facts and what the police and investigation in the system. But I want to tell you now, I'm on your side 100 percent. Everything you're feeling. I'm with you. I feel like the theme of this is just this is not okay. It's not okay. Yep. 100 percent. You're right. Exactly. Now, Anthony returned to number four, Heartland in Camden. The apartment had been waiting for him since he was initially arrested nearly 10 months earlier. Now among the women living around

29:14North London at the end of 2002 was Elizabeth Selena Valade, who was 29 years old. She was born in Nottingham in 1972 and was the only child of Iranian professor Hassan Valade and his British wife, Jackie. Her parents separated while Elizabeth was still very young and she returned to England with her mother. And by her teens, the relationship had become rather difficult. Elizabeth eventually left school and moved to London at around 16, where she began building a life largely apart from her family. She eventually became a mother herself. Her life in London changed considerably over the years. And by 2002, she was struggling with crack cocaine addiction and was involved in sex work. Those circumstances brought her into the area around King's Cross, only a short distance from Anthony's home. Now, by December, Elizabeth was in a relationship with a man named Neville Foster. Shortly before Christmas, Neville was with Elizabeth. When she told him she was going to go

30:14by a drink. Now he expected her to be gone for perhaps half an hour at most, but she never returned. She disappeared on the evening of December 19th, 2002. And around that same period, Anthony was behaving strangely. One account places him at a church in the days before Christmas, wearing a key around his neck and asking people to pray for his quote, immortal soul. You reportedly even told someone working at the church that a female friend of his had recently died. Now, the comments were unusual to say the least, although nobody hearing them had any way of knowing that if anything, what Anthony was referring to. That was also Francis Mayhew, a 25-year-old woman whose handbag had gone missing. She lost it somewhere around the city. See, during December, Anthony contacted Francis and told her he had found it and invited her to his apartment to come collect it. Now, Francis was wary enough that she contacted police for advice

31:15before going there. And rather than visit Anthony alone, she traveled with someone by the recommendation of the police not going solo, right? So she had her land lady come with her who remained nearby. When Francis arrived, Anthony allegedly attempted to persuade her to come inside to his apartment, so he could give her the bag, but she refused. Now, after a moment or two of trying to convince her, he eventually threw her purse towards her and then just kind of gave up of whatever he had planned. Good Samaritan, hey? Yeah. Now, Anthony continued contacting her after that. He clearly got her contact information from trying to get her purse back and kept that up, including sending cards and letters her way. Then another woman, moving through Camden that December, was Bridget McClennan, who was 34. Now, Bridget was originally from New Zealand and was the mother of two sons. Like Elizabeth, she was struggling with crack cocaine addiction and involved in sex work in North London. She and Anthony knew one another through that world and by Christmas Eve, their paths had

32:22crossed. At approximately 8.45 pm on December 24, 2002, Bridget was reportedly seeing arriving at Anthony's apartment at number four, Hartland. However, after that, she was never seen alive again. Christmas, meanwhile, continued and passed inside the college place of state. Neighbors did later recall unusual activity around Anthony's home during the holiday period. There were reports of noises coming from inside, including drilling or sawing sounds at on hours. Other accounts described Anthony keeping windows open despite the winter weather and burning large amounts of incense. And at least one neighbor, who remembered a dog becoming unusually interested in Anthony's doorway. There were observations that, you know, just simply meant little at the time. Nobody in the building knew quite yet, though, that two women had just disappeared. Meanwhile, Anthony continued moving around the neighborhood. His home was only a short walk

33:25from Royal College Street and the surrounding Camden streets as well. And communal rubbish bins provided somewhere for residents to dispose of household waste, while another set of bins stood short distance away on plender street. However, with Christmas disrupting the normal routines of the city, though, garbage remained uncollected for longer than usual. But by the final week of December, neighbors reported seeing Anthony carrying bags from his apartment. One account described him moving through the estate with black bags while muttering to himself. And on December 29, CCTV cameras operating around the neighborhood recorded some activity as well. It was a man wearing a long dark coat and a distinctive New York Yankees baseball cap. He approached a communal garbage bin on plender street. He lifted the lid and placed the bag inside. More bags were disposed and garbage containers closer to Anthony's home as well. And whatever was inside them was now mixed among the ordinary waste produced by hundreds of people living and working around Camden during Christmas. Anthony may have expected the garbage to disappear

34:32within the next simple collection date, but instead, while those Christmas holidays interfered with the normal schedule, leaving those bags sitting inside the bins for much longer than he expected. During the night of December 29, an into December 30, Camden carried on normally. Pubs closed, streets emptied, and residents returned to their homes. But some time in the early hours, at roughly 3 to 4 a.m. on Monday, December 30, a homeless man began searching through garbage bins behind a pub near Royal College Street. At first, the homeless man thought he had found food when he ripped open a black garbage bag. He saw what looked to be a piece of meat or maybe even fish, but only moments later he realized what he was actually seeing. Was that of a human leg? Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think. West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in as little as 33 months, and no bachelor's degree is required

35:35to apply. If you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere, WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles, and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice. West Coast University As real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. Earn your farm d in as little as 33 months with West Coast University's hybrid program no bachelor's degree required. Eligible transfer credits may be accepted. West Coast University As real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment. Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think. West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in as little as 33 months, and no bachelor's degree is required to apply. If you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere, WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for Graduate Studies in Los Angeles, and prepare for real-world pharmacy practice. West Coast University As real as it gets, visit westcoastuniversity.edu. WCU cannot guarantee employment.

36:42Soon police were called to the scene where the homeless man made the discovery, and it was passed to the Metropolitan Police Homicide Assessment team at around 4 a.m. Detective Inspector Brian Hook was among those sent to the scene, and inside those communal garbage bins, they found black garbage bags containing portions of a woman's body, including sections of the lower leg and torso, and the smell of decomposition was already extremely noticeable. Now the location of the findings posed an immediate problem. There wasn't an isolated crime scene. It was a public garbage bin accessible to residents, businesses, and anyone who's passing through the area. Investigators couldn't have known who touched it. They couldn't have known how long the bags had been there, or whether other evidence had already disappeared beneath ordinary household waste. Now despite the frustrating possibilities ahead of them, authorities pressed forward, and the remains were removed for examination, at St. Pancras, mortuary, while police began securing

37:44the area. One of the pathologists involved was Dr. Freddie Patel. He was the same pathologist who had examined Sally White 11 months earlier. And as the remains were examined, investigators discovered something unexpected. They found that the remains did not belong to just one person. The reports met at least two separate women that they had discovered. And just like that, the case immediately became a double murder investigation. Now police had immediately stopped all garbage collections around the estate and established a mobile police station near Royal College Street. And officers began working outwards from the bin area and checked other garbage containers, drains, and surrounding streets. The Regents Canal was even searched because investigators had no idea just how widely the remaining body parts might have been discarded and scattered. House to house inquiries began across the estate. And the scale grew rapidly. In fact, around 80 officers would eventually spend approximately three

38:48weeks searching garbage connected to Camden, including hundreds of tons of waste at landfill sites, looking for the missing remains and anything that might identify the women. What a job this would be. Yeah. Gosh. A ridiculous scale. Yes, and very unpleasant. I couldn't imagine having to be one of the people doing this. Right. Now, while they're searching for this too, another bag was actually discovered. Oh, wow. On Plender Street, a short distance from the first scene, investigators found additional human remains inside another garbage container. The second disposal site was roughly 100 to 250 meters from the first, depending on the route that you measured from. Now, detectives began concentrating on the immediate neighborhood. Detective Chief Inspector Ken Bell took a leading role in the murder investigation, what commander Andy Baker oversaw the wider operation. Now, Brian Hook and the other detectives worked through CCTV footage and house house information, trying to identify anyone living close enough to move heavy bags between the disposal sites without using a vehicle. And residents

39:54repeatedly mentioned one man, Anthony Hardy. A neighbor named June gentleman remembered when officers asked whether anybody struck her suspicious. And Anthony was the only person she could think of. Other residents described strange behavior and women regularly visiting the ground floor home at number four, Heartland. Now, Anthony's name was not new to police. He was a man who had Sally White dead and naked on his bed. But detectives were investigating two dismembered women, now only meters from Anthony's home, and they could hardly ignore the coincidence at hand. But there was also physical evidence pointing in the same direction. You see, during searches of the trash associated with the estate, police recovered a blood-stained bra that belonged to the garbage bins of Anthony's apartment. Now, a CCTV camera operating on Plender Street had recorded a man approaching and carrying black bags to this garbage bin and he wore a long, dark coat and a distinctive New York Yankee's baseball cap. The footage showed him opening the bin and disposing of the bags inside,

40:59and police were able to identify that man as Anthony and his apartment set almost directly between the locations where both remain sites were recovered from. Officers approached number four, initially as part of the house to house inquiry. But when they reached Anthony's ground floor apartment, there was no answer, and the door was left open. Officers slowly moved inside, and immediately they noticed the smell. Brian Huck remembered it immediately as being recognizable, the heavy, unmistakable odor of decomposition. The further they moved inside, the stronger it became. The interior itself was unusual with drawings and strange imagery covering up parts of the walls. There were stacks of porno videotapes and a set up evolving three televisions connected to three VCR recorders. But the smell was leaving them towards the bedroom, and it was in the same room that police had unlocked in January. This time, wet clothing had been rolled and stuffed along the bottom of the

42:05bedroom door, trying to seemingly position and prevent smells from coming out of underneath the door. Officers opened that door, and there beside the bed was a large square shaped object, wrapped tightly in a black local authority garbage bag and secured with twine. Resting across the package were cutting implements, including a hacksaw and several knives, arranged so conspicuously that one investigator later described the display as almost alter-like. Anthony, though, was nowhere inside. Police carefully moved forward and opened the black wrapping and inside the box they found the torso of a woman. So now with the woman's torso lying inside Anthony's bedroom, the number four heartland was no longer simply the home of a person of interest. It became the investigation's primary forensic scene. The flat was secured and examined methodically.

43:11Investigators photographed and catalogued what Anthony had left behind, and in total there were roughly 70 pornographic videotapes, along with three TVs and VHS recorders. There was a red deviled mask hanging inside the apartment, black garbage bags, women's belongings, and numerous cutting implements. Then beside the wrapped torso, where the hacksaw and knives officers had already seen when they entered the bedroom. The cutting tools quickly became important pieces of evidence, and Anthony's fingerprints were found on the frame of that hacksaw. A material recovered from its blade produced a mixed DNA profile. Part of that profile matched the women whose torso had been discovered in Anthony's bedroom, and another portion matched the remains recovered from the original garbage bin site. First however police needed names. The torso and Anthony's bedroom had cosmetic breast implants, and the investigators found identifying reference numbers on the implants

44:11and traced them to a clinic in Germany. The records there supplied the identity of the patient as 29-year-old Elizabeth Selina Phallad. DNA testing provided further confirmation as well, just to be certain. An Elizabeth's identification also allowed investigators to establish that some of the limbs recovered from those garbage bins also belonged to her. Yet despite this, her head and hands still remained missing. The second DNA profile was soon checked against the national database, and it identified 35-year-old Bridget McClennan as the second victim. The two women had disappeared shortly before Christmas, and were now two murder victims, whose remains had been found scattered around Camden in the garbage. Gosh, I had thought this guy was completely disgusting before all of this. Right. He's all kinds of nasty. But I'm just so confused, too, because was he just wanting them to find this at this point,

45:14where he just wasn't home and doesn't lock his door and they went in kind of thing? From my perspective, I mean, I don't know. There's no actual answer for that. I'm pretty sure he knew he was about to get caught, so he probably didn't have all of it discarded and wrapped it up in a sick way in his apartment and ran. Geez. Well, yeah, I mean, it's not like he's been doing a very good job of this. No. So he could be very aware he's about to get caught, but like, oh my gosh, he's just so disgusting. But also, it's again, this shouldn't have happened. It should not have happened. In fact, we're lucky that a homeless man found those garbage bags. Yes. Because if that guy was not dumpster diving, they would never have been found. How many more would you have killed before getting caught? That's very true. He would have gotten caught eventually, because he was not clean. He was pretty sloppy with it. But like, he also was expecting those bins. You, I think you would said to be picked up, but because of like the holidays and stuff,

46:15there was a bit of a delay. Yeah. Holy moly. So he could have gotten away with more. Yeah, it could have been like another year or so at least, right? Like, have any more victims with their own been? Now, through the investigation, police turned to the black garbage bags themselves. A role of black garbage bags were recovered from Anthony's apartment, although ordinary garbage bags might appear, you know, all identical. And forensic examination could actually reveal microscopic characteristics created during manufacturing to link them together. As plastic travels through machinery, tiny lines and irregularities, they're produced in a sequence, kind of like dragging your pencil across several pieces of paper to create that sequence line across them all, right? So investigators compared these features from this machinery, along with, you know, the areas where the individual bags had been separated from the role. And they connected like puzzle pieces. The bags containing the women's remains were found to be

47:18associated with the same role as the bags recovered from Anthony's apartment. I love that kind of thing. Yeah, it's so minimal and stuff that you would just never expect. But then it's a big bingo, really. Exactly. Now, that's not all though. Anthony had also left an electronic trail. Police examined activity connected to his nectar loyalty card and found a transaction showing that he had purchased these garbage bags approximately two weeks before the remains were discovered. Knowing where and when the proceed that the purchase actually occurred, allowed investigators to retrieve the supermarket CCTV and the footage indeed showed Anthony as the one buying them. But there was still something strange about the apartment. This membering two bodies should have produced an enormous amount of blood. Yet when investigators looked around the bedroom and bathroom, there was nothing, you know, nothing around there that could see. Someone had clearly cleaned up this crime scene. Forensic officers brought in Lumenol to try and see if they could see what had

48:22been cleaned up. Now Lumenol is a chemical capable of reacting with traces of blood that remain after visible staining has been washed away. The lights were lowered and the apartment was treated. And quickly the crime scene began to reappear. Large areas of the bathtub and bathroom floor reacted. Blood traces appeared around the bedroom and on the doorway, where staining seemed to be wiped away. Patterns extended between the rooms and were consistent with bloody bodies or objects at the very least having been moved and dragged through the apartment. Investigators concluded that substantial quantities of blood had once been present despite Anthony's efforts to remove and clean away the visible evidence. Ultimately though, the blood and its distribution helped police reconstruct what had happened inside that number four apartment. The available evidence indicated that Elizabeth and Bridget had been killed in the bedroom before their bodies were moved towards

49:25the bathroom. The bathtub then provided Anthony with a contained area in which the bodies could be cut apart. Well the blood could be washed down the drain and then the surrounding areas could be cleaned. Police had the remains of Elizabeth and Bridget. They had parts of Elizabeth's body inside Anthony's bedroom. They had the hacksaw bearing Anthony's fingerprints and DNA connecting the victims. They had the garbage bags, a loyalty card transactions, supermarket footage showing Anthony purchasing the bags and surveillance footage showing him disposing at at least one disposal site. And now the lumenol had revealed what somebody had tried to wash away. The bedroom and the bathroom had contained extensive amounts of blood, yet one crucial piece of the investigation was still missing at this point. And that was Anthony himself. And looking into his history, there was one detail in his medical records that offered police a way to predict his potential movements. You see Anthony was diabetic and depended on medication.

50:27He had disappeared without enough of it remaining to stay away indefinitely. So investigators alerted hospitals and other medical facilities across London. If Anthony needed treatment or a new prescription, there was a chance he would eventually have to reveal himself. And that chance came rather quickly. On New Year's Day, January 1, 2003, staff at the University College Hospital reported that a man resembling Anthony had showed up seeking medication. Investigators obtained the hospital's CCTV footage and confirmed it was indeed Anthony. He had changed his appearance, though, by shaving off his beard, but he was still recognizable. However, by the time police knew that he was there, he had already left. His photo was taken from the security footage and released to the public, and he appeared prominently in the following day's newspaper. Then on January 2, Anthony surfaced again. This time at Great Orman Street Hospital,

51:32an off-duty police officer was there with his son when Anthony showed up and he recognized him. The officer alerted hospital security and called for assistance while keeping track of him. Soon officers showed up at the scene and they moved in for the arrest. But Anthony didn't go quietly. He resisted and a violent struggle occurred. He even pulled out a small pocket knife and one officer suffered an injury to his hand, while another sustained serious facial injuries around the eye and cheek as a result. Despite his resistance, though, the officers managed to overpay was taken to Colin Dale, police station. Your path to pharmacy can be closer than you think. West Coast University's hybrid doctor of pharmacy program can be completed in as little as 33 months, and no bachelor's degree is required to apply. If you've started pharmacy coursework elsewhere, WCU may accept eligible transfer credits to help students keep moving forward. Learn online, train hands-on at our Center for

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53:34evidence from Anthony's home in the disposal sites, but one more piece of evidence was about to arrive. See, while Anthony had been on the run, he had left two roles of film at a commercial photographic studio sent out for development. But rather than return for them himself, he gave the collection receipt to a friend and asked him to pick up the finished photos for him. Well, the friend did, but the friend also looked at the photos, and what he saw prompted him to contact the police immediately. There were 44 photos in total, and they showed Elizabeth Vlad and Bridget McClennan inside Anthony's bedroom. They were both dead. In the images they were naked and arranged in sexually explicit poses, their faces were obscured in some images by objects, including the red-devil mask that was found inside his home, also the New York Yankees baseball cap as well. Pathologists examined the positioning of the women's bodies and confirmed that both were

54:38in fact already dead when the photos were taken. Investigators checked the photo studio where the images were developed. CCTV and the receipt all established that Anthony had brought the film in for processing. Then they examined the negatives. Film passing through a camera can acquire minute scratches and markings from the internal mechanism, just very much so like those garbage bags from their production. Anthony's camera had been recovered from number four, Heartland, and specialist compared the marks on the test film and passed it through those camera and found the exact negatives containing those photographs of Elizabeth and Bridget matched the camera markings. Okay, holy flying shit here. Does the developer, I always in my mind, felt like developers would look at the photos. I don't think they do, typically. Huh. Especially, I mean, if that gets just printed and like available for pickup and not flagged at all, you know, at the shop itself. Yeah, and I think maybe

55:42like nowadays it's much more likely for them to look at it. But back then when film was the primary source of photos, you have photos constantly going out. They probably put the take the role, put it on like the computer or whatever hit print and onto the next one. The stat comes shooting out and they simply packed it like an automatic type thing. Yeah. Huh. Okay. I mean, how many photos do you see in a day in a printing place like that? Yeah. You know, constant photo, photo, photo. I can't imagine you're sitting here examining everyone's photos. You take this back, you wrap it up, you get it, print it done. Well, this is helpful to me because I've printed some weird shit before. And I've always been like kind of leery about it. You haven't printed that weird. You've done like Boudoir sessions. Well, yeah. And then I had to print like our Halloween shoot that one. That's okay. That's like the body. That's true. That's true. And I was just so, I don't know, leery or like uncomfortable about it. But maybe it's fine then. But that's the plate of someone

56:43like a photographer like you, you're going to take photos like that. Someone like this isn't generally going to take weird ass photos. But I digress. Now the photos had indeed, and indeed, sorry, been taken on Anthony's camera. Now the Yankees cap created another chain of events too because as we know, Anthony appeared wearing it in CCTV footage and the cap appeared in the photos with the women's body too. The even reports that state forensic testing was allegedly done on that hat and recovered DNA from Anthony and the victims as well. Either way though, detectives now confronted Anthony with everything that they had. During formal interviews, Anthony had legal representation and repeatedly exercised his right not to answer any questions. Investigator Alan Boestock was among those questioning him. They showed Anthony the images of his own bedroom. Do you recognize this bedroom? They asked him. No comment. Detectives moved to another photograph showing one of the women. Quote, what have we got on this lady's head, Mr.

57:45Hardy? What can you see? End quote, again, no comment. They pointed out the baseball cap. His baseball cap. Anthony maintained the same response as detectives questioned him about the garbage bins. The remains, his apartments, the photos, you name it. Police also wanted to know what he had done with parts of Elizabeth and Bridget that they still had yet to find their heads and their hands. They repeatedly pressed Anthony to tell police where they were so they could be recovered and returned to their families for proper burial. And at one point, Anthony reportedly told them in his words to a fact of that he was sorry but he couldn't remember because he had been so drunk. But when questioned formally about it again, his answer returned to the familiar response of no comment. Now all of this raised another question because 11 months earlier, another woman had been found dead in that very same bedroom. Sally White had been naked on Anthony's bed. Her

58:49injuries on her head and body and the blood around her. Anthony had been arrested on suspicion of murdering her only for the post mortem to determine that she died of natural causes of heart failure and heart attack. So with Elizabeth and Bridget now dead, detectives opened Sally White's file once again and returned to the circumstances of January 20th, 2002. Sally's body had been found naked behind Anthony's locked door. Anthony lied about having access to that room. She had injuries. There's a bucket of warm water and none of these details had disappeared from the file simply because her death had been attributed to heart disease. Detectives also began speaking with other women who encountered Anthony sexually. Their accounts revealed a very disturbing pattern. Women described Anthony using his considerable size to pin them beneath him over 300 pounds. One woman said she was unable to move, speak or breathe while Anthony pressed his weight onto her

59:50and she said she believed he enjoyed her distress. So investigators began considering whether Sally could have died through positional or crush exphyxia with pressure from Anthony's body restricting her breathing. The medical evidence however remains complicated. The original post mortem by Dr. Freddie Patel had found significant coronary disease and concluded that Sally died from a heart attack. But even after Anthony's later murders were discovered, DCI Kenbell publicly acknowledged that the ordinary medical conclusion had been clear enough that police could not have justified prosecuting Anthony at the time. But Sally's death was now being viewed in an entirely different context. The original finding that she had died from a heart attack came under renewed scrutiny. Partly because the possibility of exphyxiation had not been adequately considered. Exactly how Anthony killed Sally was never conclusively established through pathology,

1:00:51although suffocation or exphyxiation has been suggested as the likely mechanism. What was no longer in doubt though was that her death was not simply a natural one. And Anthony was charged with murdering Sally White, Elizabeth Foulad, and Bridget McClennan. That is really such a shame though. I know. Because right there it was just like a giant red flag. But I mean I guess there was just nothing they could really do. So well and that's the problem. There was nothing that they nothing that they could point to no evidence. There was unfortunately nothing. You have a pathologist, even a second opinion on another pathologist saying well heart disease. It sits so uneasy though. It does. It really does. Two more victims like within a year really. Now for months Anthony just denied any sort of responsibility. And in November 25th 2003 he appeared at the Old Bailey Central Criminal Court and unexpectedly changed his pleas. He pleaded guilty

1:01:58to murdering Elizabeth. He pleaded guilty to murdering Bridget. And he pleaded guilty to murdering Sally. The pleas meant there would be no full murder trial in which every piece of evidence was tested before a jury. Instead prosecutors outlined what they believed happened inside Anthony's apartment. Prosecutor Richard Horwall argued that Anthony had developed an obsession with pornography and dominating women. And that Elizabeth and Bridget had been killed so Anthony could photograph their bodies in sexually explicit positions after they died. Anthony's defense offered a different explanation. Anthony accepted that excessive force had been used during what the defense characterized as consensual extreme sexual activity but maintained that he had not intended to kill the women. But it's guilty. Please nevertheless legally established his responsibility for all three murders. And so Mr. Justice Keith sentenced Anthony to three life sentences one for each murder.

1:03:02However, no minimum term was set at the time and the changes to the law later required prisoner sentence under the previous system to have their minimum terms determined by a judge. Anthony's case therefore returned to court. And on May 14th 2010 Mr. Justice Keith imposed a whole life order, meaning Anthony would never be eligible for release on parole. Oh my gosh, thank goodness. I was holding my breath there. I was like, I'm about to just get completely pissed off, aren't I? If if things changed, yeah, but it didn't thankfully. Yes. Now questions also remained about how Anthony had been handled by the health system, the mental health system before these murders occurred. And independent inquiry examined the psychiatric treatment and the decision to release him from the compulsory compulsory detention on November 2002 was all assessed and under scrutiny. Despite earlier warning saying he was a serious risk.

1:04:03Now the case of Sally White also continued to follow Dr. Freddie Patel who was the forensic pathologist who conducted Sally White's post-mortem and concluded that she died naturally from a heart attack. His professional conduct in a number of cases came under scrutiny. And in August 2012, he was eventually struck of his medical register. Now as for Anthony, he remained in prison for the rest of his life. He died in November of 2020 behind bars at the age of 69 after contracting COVID-19. His condition deteriorated into COVID-19 pneumonia, which the corner accepted as his cause of death. But it is worth to note that he also had type 2 diabetes and heart failure, which contributed to his vulnerability, but were not the primary causes. In the end though, three guilty pleas did not necessarily answer every question. Investigators had about Anthony. You see one name examined in connection with Anthony was Zoe Parker, a 24-year-old woman who was

1:05:06involved in sex work, who was also found dismembered and recovered from the river Tames in December of 2000. Her head, hands and feet were missing. The similarities attracted attention, but no evidence sufficient enough to charge Anthony with her murder was ever established. Later, criminologist David Wilson also suggested Anthony might warrant examination in connection with the unsolved deaths of Sharon Hoer in 1991 and Christine McGovern in 1995, but those suggestions remained theories and not established links. Investigators themselves remain suspicious that three murders might not represent the full extent of Anthony's violence. Many law enforcement believe that there could be many more victims. In the end, we do know that Anthony was responsible for three though, Sally White, Elizabeth Vlad and Bridget McClennan, and despite the enormous searches through Camden's rubbish system, landfill waste and waterways and surrounding streets, police never recovered the heads or hands of

1:06:11Elizabeth or Bridget. Anthony knew what he had done with them, or at least one point if you believe his claim of being blackout drunk, but either way, he died without telling anyone where they were. And that's the story of the Camden Ripper. Nasty. Nasty ass bitch for show. So terrible. Huh, he gross me out research this one gross like disgusting. And it kind of that sort of makes sense now. He was so kind of willing really to plead guilty on the three because there's probably fracking how many more probably. And he might have been afraid of what could have been found, especially if this evidence came forward in court. And you know, yeah, wow. And the Oh, and like the deaths were just terrible. Oh my gosh, no one, no one deserves this. Holy shit, this guy is just yeah, he's one of the most like nasty ones. I think we've covered.

1:07:15He's grotesque. Imagine being smothered. Yeah, death. Yeah, white ones wait. God damn. God damn. Yeah, I yeah, I really don't want that in my head anymore. And I don't know how to get it out. Yeah, picture that for the rest of the day. Thanks. You're welcome. Maybe you should give me something else to picture. Um, the fog is cleared up. It's good. It might be a nice sunny fall day today. I think it will be. Yeah, maybe I'll go golfing. Oh, picture me out on the golf course, getting a hole in one. How's that sound? Okay. Honey knows her wrapping up too. And she just stood up and stretched and just like, Oh, they're done. Well, Ripley's still waiting for the words, the words to release her so she can get up from her bed. So I guess maybe we should get to that. But first, just a quick thank you. You guys who are amazing. We get to do this because of you. We're an independent podcast written, researched host all on her own. And like I said, it's because of you, we get to keep going. If you want to check the description of this podcast,

1:08:16for more links for our socials, all that sort of stuff, feel free. But I just want to say thank you. Yeah. Thank you for being here. How did that feel doing that with Honey steering at you the whole time? Was that fine? The eye contact was really locked in. Just got to say that. But until next time, stay wicked.

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1:19:55to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older, who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms, with moderate to severe Exema. Also called a topic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin, or topicals, or who cannot use topical therapies. Ebbgliss can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you are allergic to Ebbgliss. A allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebbgliss. Before starting Ebbgliss, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Pay partnership with Lily. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Ebbgliss and visit Ebbgliss.com, or call 1-800-LilyRX or 1-800-545-5979. This week at Vons and Albertsons, USDA choice tri-tip roast untrimmed are 599 per pound, limit 4 roasts with membership wear applicable, and medium-ripe hassovacados are 99 cents each, with membership wear applicable. Plus Kellogg cereals 8.8 to 16.1 ounces, selected varieties, or peppered farm goldfish, 5.9 to 8 ounces are 1.99 each when you buy three.

1:21:00Limit 3 offers with membership wear applicable. Visit Vons or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. This week at Vons and Albertsons, USDA choice tri-tip roast untrimmed are 599 per pound, limit 4 roasts with membership wear applicable, and medium-ripe hassovacados are 99 cents each, with membership wear applicable. Plus Kellogg cereals 8.8 to 16.1 ounces, selected varieties, or peppered farm goldfish, 5.9 to 8 ounces are 1.99 each when you buy three, limit 3 offers with membership wear applicable. Visit Vons or Albertsons.com for more deals and ways to save. Imagine your friend tells you she's taking an innocent family trip to Greenville, South Carolina. We'll call her Emma. The trip sounds great to you. Hiking at Jones Gap, dinner at Topsoil, a room at the best hotel in town. Harmless, right? Here's the thing. Emma and her family never returned from Greenville. They disappear. You search for answers,

1:22:06but nothing adds up. Emma had a great life back home. You guys were best friends. What happened? Well, the truth is, once Emma realized she could have access to Michelin recognized restaurants, nature, local shops, and performing arts all in one place, everywhere else started to seem a little. Meh. Emma's vacation is a cautionary tale. If you're coming this way, don't forget to tell your friends and neighbors goodbye. Visit Greenville, South Carolina, but you may never want to leave. Learn more at visit GreenvilleSC.com. This week at Vons and Albertsons, USDA Choice Tri-Tip Rost untrimmed are 599 per pound. Limit 4 Rosts with membership were applicable, and medium-ripe Hassovicados are 99 cents each, with membership were applicable. Plus Kellogg's cereals 8.8 to 16.1 ounces, selected varieties, or peppered farm goldfish, 5.98 ounces, are 190.9 each when you buy three. Limit 3 offers with

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