The Bachelor Who Was Betrayed | BONUS

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2:03bonds options crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investible index with AI it all starts with your prompt from renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work it screens thousands of stocks builds a one-of-a-kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500 then you can invest in a few clicks generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities completely customizable and based on your thesis not someone else's go to public.com slash podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio that's public.com slash podcast paid for by public investing brokerage services by open to the public investing ink member finraw and s i p c advisory services by public advisors LLC SEC registered advisor generated assets is an interactive analysis tool output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures hi everyone andrei here i have some exciting news to share abc has turned betrayal weekly into an eight episode anthology which means each episode features

3:07one of your favorite betrayal weekly stories you'll get to see the people involved hear from people who have never spoken before and actually see where the story took place we are so proud and excited to share it with you all it's called betrayal secrets and lies and it premieres this sunday march 29 at 10 p.m. eastern standard time 9 p.m. central please check it out i'm here today with steffney young and clagan accard you are the host and you are the story teller of our glass podcast and i-hards doom podcast love trapped for an austin texas this is really exciting for people who don't know love trapped is about your story clayton and your relationship with Laura Owens which started as a business transaction and then turned into a paternity scandal and then a three year pursuit for dastas yes you guys have done an incredible job

4:08and i'm just glad to talk a little bit about your show and why it's right for the betrayal audience thanks for joining me today thanks for having us thank you for having us for the betrayal audience can you tell them a little bit about who you are and what you do for the show my name is steffney and i am the producer writer and host of love trapped i've been working on this since June of last year so we're coming up on almost 10 months and i think i've needed that entire time to do all the research for this project and i am clayton and i am the liver of this whole experience it's in life but i've been really grateful that i have a platform to help not only me but the other victims with receiving justice give me a little bit of a top line about what's been going on for you in your life over the last few years and why you need justice i well i think you hit the

5:09nail on that it's been three years of my life that i am not able to let go of and tell there's resolution and currently it's just slowly chugging along and she's still out there and about and you know has looked for her next victim and for me it's a matter of being able to stop all of this and make sure that she doesn't have the ability to continue to perform these antics that she's done for 10 plus years this this goes far before beyond me so a little bit about love trapped it's the story of your post bachelor life your experience on the show you are still a bachelor but you're experienced on the bachelor and so we meet you on this podcast after like in the aftermath of that and through your move to Arizona you end up meeting a woman

6:10named Laura Owens and through that meeting that chance encounter all this craziness and complicated stuff comes out of that that meeting yes when i first heard about your story it feels like a brief romantic experience with a person doesn't work out there's a moment of rejection that Laura can't face and there is fallout from that and what was that like how would you define that fallout one of the darkest energies that i've ever experienced it was so uncomfortable that i had instant chills and before she sent me the messages saying she was pregnant i had the things act thought in my head that i don't know what that just was but whatever it was it's far from over

7:11and lo and behold 11 days later from that point you know she sends the initial messages that she's pregnant but it was a very very uncomfortable presence it was as if the lights went off and she was no longer there it's like nothing i've ever experienced right so it became really clear that she wanted a romantic relationship with you she wanted to have dating relationship with you long-term relationship with you and when that didn't work out she was telling you that she was pregnant and there was this she wanted to be connected with you in some way it was trying to leverage this idea of you being potentially the father to stay in connection with you and was doing whatever she could to stay in connection and keep you on the on the hook one of the things that i think a lot of our betrayal listeners will relate to is that moment of when the mask comes

8:12off we talk about it a lot actually there is a moment in time when a lot of the storytellers i work with where they discover like the day of discovery the husband that they've known for 25 years then reveals their double life and they physically change their voice changes their face looks different so i think a lot of our listeners and others can really relate to that moment of you saying no to Laura and then something ships yeah i mean i was just going back as you were describing that back into that moment and i just yeah chills again because her demeanor went from crying to stone cold just expressionless and there was this darkness where her eyes didn't go all but fully black but it felt as if they did and it was just this instant i said no means no Laura there's nothing more here to to explore she wiped her last year and she said no i understand

9:15have a great day and it was just this it was like two separate entities like i was talking to one version and then all of a sudden there was a switch that flipped i mean it was that sudden so it's interesting that you say that that's what other people have experienced because yeah i saw it face to face and i've just never experienced something like that yeah after that interaction in the car what happened from there well tell us a little bit about the harassment and then everything you had to go through yeah so we were involved in a real estate transaction she reached out to me originally to do real estate um you know i made the mistake of mixing business with pleasure and it wasn't yeah less than learned i don't do that now um but so i you know crossed that boundary but then i had mentioned to her that in the car the next day so that was on professional you know i can pass you off to another agent she said no i want to work with you

10:18i said okay let's keep professional from here on out she said she agreed to it but then she kept going back to trying to make it more than that so over the course of the next few days it was this well hey i actually still want to explore this and then it got to the point of if you're not willing to explore a relationship i'll just go work with somebody else to which i said called her bluff i said okay then go do that and then she you know i said no no i really want to work so it's back and forth and then ultimately she just kept texting me kept texting me and then she started alluding to the fact that she was fertile and she knew that she was fertile during this period of her life and she was concerned that night even though we didn't have sexual in her course that when we were grinding something could have fluid could have you know been transmitted so she starts alluding to it before she said she was pregnant and i'm like no i'm not doing this and so i was like hey i'm gonna block you like this i i don't want anything more to do with you but please stop texting me or harass me because this constant message is coming in and we're talking paragraphs long so i ended blocking her and then that was you know 11 days or probably a few days

11:22later after that on day 11 from the time from when we originally hooked up was when i got that email from her and she had sent over a positive pregnancy test and like a doctor's note yeah and so it really has been this journey of proven that she could have never been pregnant that you are not the father if you're like me you ignore a lot of phone notifications but if that ping is from your security camera ignoring it could be a huge mistake that's why i choose simply safe it's a customizable whole home security system backed by 24 seven monitoring agents who can act even when i can't i love having simply safe because it gives me real peace of mind i don't have to constantly check my phone or worry when i'm away i know my home is being protected traditional systems only react after a break-in simply safe active guard after a protection can help stop break-ins before they happen

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15:32to thirty two thirty two thirty two train to thirty two thirty two thirty two thirty two what has it been like covering this story Stephanie it's been mind blowing because every time you think that you've heard it all there's something else that comes out and you're just like this can't possibly be real and i think one of the most mind blowing things is the timeline of events so in betrayal you just mentioned like some of these people have been together for 25 years yeah and it's that you know shock of being betrayed by somebody that you've known that long with Clayton's case he met her via LinkedIn message on May 17th the hookup happened on May 20th and then by June 1st she was pregnant so this is like a speedy timeline compared to some of the betrayal stories so that to me is shocking and covering that part of it it's just like whoa this is like a very quick timeline to go from zero to a hundred and the unrelenting barrage of

16:38information yeah because she then filed like you've become embroiled in just a legal battle yeah she filed a parenting plan which i couldn't believe and was in shock that i had to respond to it via the court system otherwise they would submit a default judgment and most times they would assume the majority of the time people find parenting plans are actually pregnant so i was gonna throw away the paperwork and then i had someone on the illegal side of things that said no you can't do that you need to respond and i went into the court and i he the judge asked me why i was you know countering this you know parenting plan and i said because there are no children he said you mean like they haven't been born yet i said no there's no child or children like they don't exist and he's he just looked at me he's like are you are you being serious are you messing with me i said no i'm telling you she's making all this up and he was just perplexed and he goes okay well i'll push this up the court so he like basically just like pushing to another

17:41realm of the court but it was yeah i'm like i felt ridiculous the whole thing was ridiculous i'm like i don't know how to respond to this she's making it up how do i prove this and that's you know where we end up going with it was okay well let's get her to prove pregnancy because i mean that's how i get out of this you know because this this is something that now she's gonna hold over me and how far is she gonna take this and you know as we've just recently uncovered obviously through the timeline of this podcast like she took a public so then it became a i need to prove to the public now a court of public opinion i have to be able to prove that this is all i yeah i want to jump in and just say that from the time that she told Clayton she was pregnant to the time that she filed in the court in Arizona it was only about eight weeks so she was technically still in her first trimester and as a woman you know that most people don't tell people that they're even pregnant until after the first trimester right yeah so i think that was another

18:43interesting part of this that from the time that she found out she was pregnant to the time that it was filed to establish paternity in the court there's only eight weeks well i think what's interesting too for one you can tell she has the time i was better better than i do at this point for me i mean i just it just feels like a blur of three years you know it's like the emotions are so strong but i i don't know exactly on what dates these things happen it just felt like it all was smushed together but the other side of it too you see the ignorance of a man to you people go oh come on day 11 and she's pregnant i why would you even take that up and believe that in the first place but because i was googling i mean as a man i had no idea i'm like i don't know how to fact check this or and i wasn't bringing it to my family originally so this is just me living this experience and i'm just googling and google it was like yeah i mean technically someone could miss their period and like show show signs of pregnancy or be test positive as soon as like 10 days so i was like well that we're on day 11 so it was just one of these things were at first i'm

19:47fighting this alone obviously i don't want this to get out to the public but it's you know there's like i also don't understand what i'm up against because i'm like i don't know i mean i'm a guy i don't know if this is possible and so i'm just constantly googling and i think she was too though i think she was also you know doing her homework yeah we do often deal with stories of people who are intimate partners or relationships that have been built over a number of years this is about two strangers meeting how did that affect you emotionally having your life completely upended like do you think about if i just didn't respond to that linkedin message like where does your mind go yeah you know it depends when if you asked that question six months ago or even three months ago and as opposed to now i mean i've i've found the silver lining and all of this um but it certainly messed with me i mean i i lost a lot of trust um and and people i mean i

20:48became a very protective of my energy which i needed to be more protective but i almost like overcompensated uh but it's it's something where uh i struggled uh to function on a daily basis because it i really felt i mean very quickly i realized this individual was looking to destroy me emotionally and render me useless i mean take me out of my ability to be able to function and work my jobs and uh you know it just felt very suffocating and this person also had time on their hands i mean she was working around the clock i had good emails just all throughout the days and as people find out she doesn't have a job so she made this her full-time job yeah and it was very suffocating yeah it was just hard to go about my daily life when like you have this happening in the background and i mean a lot of us can relate to this if you have you know someone that's you know abusive or somebody that has some news that they're like i'm going to you know share this news with like or they're threatening you in some capacity it's it's basically

21:50the thing that's on your mind at all times yeah it's stress yeah it's just constantly weighing on you so no matter what else you're doing in life in any moment of silence you just go right back into that that box you know that i so hard like tried to compartmentalize i just pushed everything in i'm like i have to go about my life but this box exists but any moment of silence you know where things slow down in life you just go right back into the box you're like i can't help this because this is out of my control too yeah yeah there's somebody on this other side that's plotting and you don't know what their next move is going to be have you like envisioned what life would be like when you're done dealing with Laura Owens or do you feel like it's always going to be there i'll be able to let go of a lot of anger um there's there's a lot of anger that's rooted in this uh not only just at her but within myself

22:52uh and i have to give myself grace but i i do see obviously that um this was all brought on part me and partly of my own doing because of the actions i took uh but even leading up to it i mean i was utilizing marijuana at the time to cope with stress from the reality television experience that i just recently realized i still have not gotten over uh i still harbor a lot of anger from that whole experience and so uh i there's parts of me that say yeah i mean if you were able to have healed from these experiences you wouldn't have found yourself back in this this cycle you wouldn't have subjected yourself to this kind of energy yeah but you did because you are not healed to the degree where you wouldn't place your energy in a person like her and um you know that's that's something that i do understand is like hey you could have avoided this but ultimately you were what you were when you first met her which was a damaged

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27:00can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work it screens thousands of stocks builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the snp five hundred then you can invest in a few clicks generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities completely customizable and based on your thesis not someone else's go to public dot com slash podcast and earn an uncapped one percent bonus when you transfer your portfolio that's public dot com slash podcast paid for by public investing brokerage services by open to the public investing in member finra and s i p c advisory services by public advisors LLC sec registered advisor generated assets is an interactive analysis tool output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice complete disclosures available at public dot com slash disclosures one of the things that we do on betrayal is every storyteller works with a mental health provider or a therapist like coach in each season to unpack a certain part of their story and a little bit of a preview for season five as sosk is working with Jessica bomb they do a just specializes in a mago therapy which is really

28:04understanding like it's inner child work and you know when i met soskia she really wanted to unpack her childhood and really figure out what is her relationship with herself worth and how she understands love and validation that ultimately let her to my club and good and you we hear those conversations and her therapy sessions but it is like it is important because as much as we can't control laro and we can't control my club and good all we can do is really a look internally at ourselves and say it's on our fault but how did i get here yeah and it's just a really fascinating conversation and it's work to be done and like to do that work and to have that perspective you should be proud of yourself yeah and i appreciate that i also just understand that yeah i mean that my environment has obviously influenced me and and i've also went back into my childhood and i've seen why i've become the way that i have and why i take certain actions and

29:05subject myself to certain people maybe there was a lack of something in my childhood that i'm you know seeking and there's certain things that i've uncovered but ultimately too i think it's just as important in order to heal from that and overcome it you have to accept the accountability that while you were doing the best with what you could you know you are still someone like you made decisions to put yourself in those in a position like that doesn't make it right doesn't make it right that someone took advantage of me or anybody else but there is the okay hey i want to better myself so i need to understand that like i found my way here but i can also take myself out of it i mean we're all doing our best right so there's there's no victim blaming that should be had it's more just hey i am a human being for the better and for the worse i've made decisions in my life my environments impacted me but i also want to be a better human so how can i make sure that i don't find myself in this position again you know what steps do i need to take to become stronger and more resilient and just have more self love because i i believe that me with more self love again

30:11would have never interacted with somebody like her yeah i think something too that's so interesting from my perspective is the way that his emotions have shifted over oh you've seen it oh yeah over the last nine months it's you know there's times where he's really angry there's times where he said there's times where he's willing to forgive and then there's times where he's like no i'm actually really mad so to see this rollercoaster of emotion over the past nine to ten months has been interesting from my perspective we talk about that a lot on betrayal about how progress is in a straight line and like healing isn't linear and sometimes you're just going around because you're meeting the experience at different phases of your own healing journey and your own like you're reading you're engaging in certain books and podcasters and like material to better yourself and so it makes you look at your experience in a different way you know um like you were talking about what are you reading right now uh the artist's production probably not the best for the show but

31:12but like you're constantly you're trying to but you're working through your experience and so it's going to bring up complicated feelings about different choices and the different fallout the the last thing i want to say about the betrayal what but i think the audience is really going to relate to is your journey with the justice system because this is something that we cover a lot you know ideal with storytellers that you know despite fear despite being in a really dangerous situation they couldn't get protection from abuse um they really had to fight to the nail to get any acknowledgement from the court system and so what is complicated about your story as someone who is actually being able to navigate the criminal justice system pretty seamlessly in ways that our storytellers actually struggle to which is going to be really hard for some of our listeners to listen to but it's fascinating what is it like to be in a courtroom like in the

32:13scene that you were just telling me about mmm it's a serious place yeah serious people yeah but what are we even talking about here there's not even a real pregnancy it's absurd yeah like that duality is mind-bending yeah i i had a little level of confidence early on probably because i watched in so much long order growing up so i as people found out early on i had so much confidence that i self-represented which i didn't i didn't do for too long yeah but i showed up with my glasses and my tucked-in shirt and my briefcase and he binge suits yeah but i ultimately thought hey look like this is a ridiculous claim and i'm the one that's telling the truth i mean all i have to do is just speak my truth so i did have a level confidence which i again i would also say based on like i played you know d1 division 1 football i was on the badge like i was in high stress environments so to me i had a level of comfort and confidence going into the courtroom

33:17and truth on my side that being said i realized very quickly that i i could not keep up with the jargon you know the court jargon then i was like oh wait i'm over here raising my hand i'm like i don't even know if i what can i speak and i not uh it was a surreal experience and obviously i really i was like look i have to take this seriously because i could get caught up on a technicality even though i'm telling the truth i could get caught up on some technicality where she could end up then you know winning right and it's a really um hard lesson to learn especially about our justice system that sometimes the last thing that matters is actually the truth right they have again like there's technicalities here and there and and you start seeing these arguments be brought up like by her counsel where i'm like that's ridiculous but they're just trying to stick on one little exception and it's like but that could blow the whole thing up if it like you have to if you have one little hole in the argument they can just blow that up and then say the rent just say the rest of it is no longer usable uh and that is what really i realized i'm like this

34:18is actually varied like you have to be so specific and you you really can't have any flaws and your arguments and so obviously i have legal representation now and that's helped out a lot and i got that you know because of the privilege that i've had of being on reality television and being a celebrity to some degree uh most people don't have that luxury if i wasn't a celebrity i wouldn't have had the support uh and and obviously the previous victims they did not have that support i think that is something that um you're rightfully has agitated some people they go this is you know lucky for you i mean because i wish i could have had support uh and i'm very blessed for that but it is unfortunate that uh if you have some level of status you have a better chance of navigating the court system i think there are a lot of victims out there that are afraid because they don't have the financial resources they don't have the the legal representation uh and it can be a very scary thing when you go in front of a judge and um you know you don't know what words to say and

35:20i'll sit in your up against someone's legal counsel that has money and they just start hammering you with these these these these technicalities um and yeah i mean again i've watched the previous victims get run out of court because she had more money more resources how she bankrupted any of them like you could have easily yeah well she's i mean she's cost them thousands a thousand dollars we're talking sixty eight thousand dollars that's just money that's gone poof uh and so yeah i mean maybe not bankrupted them but but has financially harmed them i mean that's money that could have been you know put anywhere else they both have children so i was going to say like a college that was that's a conversation that i had with one of the other victims was do i want to fight this or do i want to use this money for my kids futures and that was a really hard conversation yeah what do you guys want the betrayal audience to know about your show i would like the betrayal audience to know that the story is got the similar elements of the

36:28betrayal show it's got the manipulation the the fraud the deception all of those things but as i've been working on this project i think the best part has been meeting and connecting with all the people who have lived it i think Clayton and i have talked for probably over 30 hours on tape um i've really gotten to know Clayton i've really gotten to know some of the other victims and hearing their stories and seeing what they've been through has been really eye-opening and also you know a lot of times you think it's just one victim and you know it affected Clayton's life but it's the collateral damage of everyone that's involved and the wave of destruction that goes along with it that is really the most impactful part to me because you can see how one woman's choices really affect so many people yeah and the piggyback off that i would say um i think what this

37:33story really highlights is the power of community uh and i i hope it inspires those that listen to find their own communities and and understand that nothing should be fought alone you know individuals that go through something similar a lot of times they carry a lot of shame and i was certainly in that same position and i remember when it first went public i was like this is going to ruin me and actually a going public was the greatest thing that ever happened because there was an army of people that were willing to rally around me but i didn't necessarily even need an army able to just you know having two or three people in my corner i mean makes all the difference so i think we all are fighting our own battles and a lot of times you know people that are listening to these true crime series i think a lot of people they they're able to sympathize they've went through they know someone has went through something similar they've experienced it um this story i really think it just highlights the power of that community and that anyone that's going through something similar knows of someone going through something similar keep in mind how powerful your support can be for somebody and help them get through a dark time

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