Taylor Swift’s Emmy Easter Eggs: Debut, Reputation, Karma or TS13?

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3:01Yeah, that was my hesitation. It is funny how we can just get thrown off our habits, and it's sometimes it's hard to recover like, oh, oh, that's right. Yes. Yeah. But today we have to talk about, man, this is a very big deal in the swifty verse, because Taylor Swift decided to make a fun cameo on the Emmy Awards with her friend, Mariska Hargote, and they did a fun skit of law and order SVU. And boy are people loving this. Taylor's plan, I don't even know what it is, but her plan is coming together perfectly. Because so many people are posting, I mean, I can't tell you how many videos I've seen or that we've sent each other about the Easter eggs in this three minute video. Which is just incredible. And this is, and what I said in our group chat was every time I see a video, a theory of what Taylor could be cooking up right now, I believe every single one. It could be true.

4:01Well, I believe every single thing that I see, I have my own theories to share. And it's just like, this is so, this is what makes being a swifty so fun. You know, it's like one of those moments that we're, we're, I also kind of compared it to, and I posted this on my TikTok, and I say about 13, thank you so much. But you know how in like sci-fi alien movies, they always portray the crazy person, whether it's like, no, the aliens are speaking to me. Like they're talking to me like, in code through this broadcast, like, you know, and they like, sound crazy. That's exactly what we sound like. We're like, no, our leader is speaking to us directly. But she is. She looks straight at the camera and spoke to us directly. Yes, I mean, do we have that clip? Can we play what she said? Yes, absolutely. But Anna, I just wanted to say, you watch every theory and believe it. Welcome to my life. This is not just an now thing. It all makes sense though. I can see all of it. So before we get into this clip, because of this clip, everything is back into play except

5:04for 1989, except for that theory that I've been running with. But we've got debut, reputation, debutation, TS-13 and karma. Which is also five theories right now. I also want to like, obviously applaud our fearless leader Taylor Swift, being able to, most likely, you know, drop this easter egg for whatever it is that she's doing next. But make it so every theory applies. You know, like she, she, she crafts it so perfectly. I wonder when she's crafting her easter eggs, do you think that she puts herself in the mind of a swifty? To be like, okay, how can I look at this and assume debut? How can I look at this and assume reputation? How can I look at this and assume TS-13? Because only she knows which one is correct, you know, if any. So it's just, I don't know, it's fascinating. Also, one more thing that I would like to point out just before we get into the actual easter egg hunt. I think that I have always noticed is that Taylor Swift never says the word swifties ever.

6:07When she accepts awards, fan awards at like, at the VMAs, which we'll get in a week, I think, she always says like, thank you to the fans. Thank you to the people that support me. Thank you, you know, like she never says like, thank you to the swifties. Like, there was years and years and years ago, when we first coined the term swifty, she didn't interview it. She's like, they call themselves swifties and it's so cute. That's the last time we ever heard her say swifties. And so I don't, I don't understand why she doesn't. Maybe she doesn't want to feel like a cold leader. I don't know. But I noticed in this lawn order sketch, you know, Mariska Hargote, like when she's talking to like in there and characters and stuff and she even says like, the swifties, they haven't figured it out or they're, they're wondering all this stuff and then Taylor's in it. So she's in this like video world where they're using the term swifties, but she still didn't use it. She didn't say swifties. I have never noticed that. I guess I've never thought about her saying swifties. Yeah, she's only said it once like maybe 15 years ago. Hmm, interesting. Okay.

7:07All right, here's the sketch that we were referencing that came up during the Emmys. The Emmys are tonight and the mayor's office is breathing down my neck demanding an answer to the big question, will Taylor Swift be at the Emmys? Now, in order to crack a swifty case, you got to think like a swifty because the swifties think that everything is a clue to what she'll do next. Now. Okay, a crime board. Now we're talking. So let's start with the Emmy nominations. Abbott Elementary nominated for seven Emmys. Season six premieres this year. Seven and six out of them up, Peter Taylor's looking number 13. And there are 13 nominations for DTF St. Louis, St. Louis Missouri, also in Missouri. Kansas City. And who plays football for Kansas City? Travis Kelsey, that's the guy she married. What color is his jersey? Red, like a rebel. Red, like blood. DNA sample cap.

8:07And? Get to emanate it. Great. Now we got bad blood. Good blood, blood relative. Like the contestants on the amazing race? The amazing Matthew Reese. Little's Bay. Sea Hague. Sea, look. What you made me do of the album, reputation, genetic mutation. Horrible. Real mind-bender. Hannah Eindbinder, Hax. Oh, that Hax finale. I crime like a baby. Griff, go check traffic camps. For what? Don't worry about it. Just go check them. All right, to what I was saying, Hax. Vegas, life of a showgirl. You know who else is a girl on a show? Barbara Corcoran. Thick a fork in. An empanada. Guys, I think we all know where this is heading. Dinos drive into Dats. OK, as we're in a real rabbit hole. That's right, it's a hole. It's a hole. Another crime board. Dinos, drive it. Dives. Drive in the getaway car.

9:09FBI. SNL. Mine from New York. Welcome to New York. It's been waiting for you. I think we got a case here. Hey, guys. This isn't adding up. And who asked you, rookie? Our purpose is clear M.O. A lot of this doesn't fit the pattern. And I don't think everything is a clue. It is to the Swifties. I think what we're going to be looking for is hiding in plain sight. Sakurai, Aries, from the vineyard, North or South. What did you just say? I didn't say anything. Ruky's weird. I checked the traffic. We had her were awake. Passed that. But you know who does use camps? The camera crew. From the pit. Oh, yeah. Right? Captain, if I may, yes, these are all, I mean, nominated shows. Yes, the Aries tour got five nominations good for her. Those categories were last week. Why would she be showing up to the ceremony tonight? She's probably going to be sitting at home playing with those cats. She's named after TV show characters.

10:10Exactly. And her cat is named Olivia Benson. Wait. I'm Olivia Benson. And I'm going to be at the Emmys. Last week, the mayor's office asked me to do security tonight. Hold on, guys. Last week, tonight, John Oliver, he's British, like those damn slow horses, fast Broncos. Denver Broncos. Broncos are playing the chiefs. Guys, the answer has been TV this whole time, because they have a game right now. OK, so she's not going to be there. Right, because her husband's got a work thing. Bingo! Well, that case is solved. Taylor Swift will not be at the Emmys. Well, she's at the Emmys. I'm not watching. Maybe she's going to do one of those cool pre-taped sketch things to support the host. Do you think she'll sing? No. I love it. I love it. Wow. It's kind of cool when it does that. It's actually my ringtone. So. Yay. So fun.

11:10So great. I love it. Woo! So fun. So funny. So cryptic. I know. I know. There's so many things that are intentionally throwing people off. There's so many things that are hidden in there that I think people probably have gotten right at this point. But I have a hard time keeping up with all the theories. It's hard to remember what all the fun Swifties that I see on social media, what their ideas are. To me, I just assume it's something. It's a Taylor's version of something because it was the award show for TV. So Taylor's version. So I don't know if that's a debut something. I don't know if that's the reputation vault tracks. That's what you're leaning towards. So I just lean towards a Taylor's version something. Yeah. First of all, it must have been so cool to be in the writer's room for that. Because I read that they started to put that together before Taylor herself got involved in it. So they were already writing it out. And then Mariska was like, well, Taylor's

12:11a good friend of mine. So they ran it by her and she loved the idea. And she loved the concept. So she was like, OK, yeah, I'll come be a part of it. And then Taylor added in some of her own actual Easter eggs is what they're saying. Taylor's Easter eggs in there are 100% real. And so I don't know. As obviously, we're all Swifties who love television. Could you imagine being tasked with like, hey, we need to write a little sketch about a Swiftie Easter egg and involving all the nominated shows? That must have been so fun. That's got to have been such a fun time. Yeah. It's very creative and a reason that you could be really silly and ridiculous on things. And for sure, there was like, Swifties on that writing stuff because everything was true. Like the path that everything took, you know? So I don't know. It was just really cool. I also felt a little famous because NBC posted that on social media. And I commented and I said, give this sketch an Emmy. And it has 7,000 likes. Hey, that's good. Get famous in a comment section.

13:12It gives you a different type of ego. I know. I have so much respect for people that are professional commenters. Parole. And they just get thousands of likes on a comment. It's like, man, people are hilarious. Sometimes the comment is better than the original video. I agree. I 100% agree. Yeah. Some of the producers, like you were saying, and Jesse Collins said that Taylor Swift came in with specific notes and made them really official. Another producer said that the Swifties are going to solve all of this. And yeah, another producer came in and said that Mariska was able to make all this happen because of their close friendship. But I just, I heard Saturide. Saturide. Saturide. Never heard that word before. Yeah, it's good. It's like, of course, Taylor Swift is opening her mouth. And we have to get out a dictionary in the source to figure out like Saturide. Areas, I have no arey. So I had to look up what is it Saturide or Sakuride?

14:12Sakuride. Sakuride. A chemical term for a sugar molecule or a combination of sugar molecules that form carbohydrates. What? What does that mean? Well, depends on what you believe. Lacey, I believe you probably have a lot of theories. Yes. And in hindsight, I need that law and order SVU. Dun-dun. Because I haven't broken down into a couple of versions. OK, cool. Of what people are saying. You know those pieces in your closet that you just find yourself reaching for over and over again. That sweater that somehow works with everything. The jeans that you know will always fit just right. Or the bag that you can carry everywhere. Those are the pieces that are in a permanent place in your wardrobe. And that's exactly what Quince does so well. Quince makes elevated everyday essentials using premium materials like Mongolian cashmere, organic cotton, and washable silk. The designs are timeless, thoughtfully crafted,

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17:22from the vineyard north or south, and it says, hi, if you mix up all the letters and find what you can come up with in this sentence, it says, hi, my first records rerecord is out November 10th. Ah, that's funny. And November 10th stuck out immediately. Because I'm like, what do you mean your first rerecord? Because November 10th has been long rumored to be a time that reputation was coming out. Do you remember 1989 Taylor's version? And the S was kind of weird like a snake and version. If you look at that, then that could be 10 November. And there's, she has some November 10th stuff going on. That was my first thought. But people are no, obviously this is reputation. Her first rerecord and aries, aries is something

18:22that's been coming up for a while. It was back on, I can't remember what show she was on. But remember whenever she had the zodiac wall behind her, like the literal wheel. And people noticed that the zodiac, the way she had it hung was wrong because aries is at the very top and she had it tweaked. So aries was right behind her. But aries is the first sign of the zodiac so that could still be just a debut. You're hard. Perfect. Perfect. There are other ways that aries come up later. The guitar pick, very debut. People are saying that's her going back to her roots. Lacey, before you move on too much in the high, November 10th, that is no good for me. Why are you traveling that day? Because the Jonas Brothers are in town legitimately. The Jonas Brothers are in town that day.

19:23So what am I going to do? You're just going to have to be on your phone during the Jonas Brothers concert or something. Yeah, I guess so. We will let you know. But it would be so iconic if you were traveling that day. No, yeah. And be there. Yeah, because I do have a constant fear of Taylor Swift like dropping some major news or an album while I'm airplane mode. I also think it's really funny that Taylor Swift is going to drop the biggest news of the year. And you have to ignore her ex to try and figure out what Taylor Swift is doing or to buy whatever she's posting on her website. You're 10 feet away from Joe Jonas. I would quote your phone at the venue. Oh, yeah. Like, just trying to connect to the Wi-Fi at the Jonas Brothers concert. It's a lot of fans always bring signs. What if my sign says like, what's the Wi-Fi password? So I can buy Taylor so soft. Oh. Anyway, not to make it about me back to the Easter time. Well, I have an important question. Do you wear an Apple watch?

20:23Do you have one? No, do I need, should I get one? I think specifically for this event because then you don't have to have your phone on you. You'll get notifications on your watch. And you will fill it going off and we will blow you up. OK, perfect. OK. OK, back to the board. Back to the board. So there is a note on the board that says Tuesday 8 a.m. Well, back in the day, albums used to be released on Tuesdays before they changed it. The debut was released on a Tuesday. Is that a shout out to that? And that's pretty convincing to me. Yeah. I like that idea because if you are going to celebrate the 20th anniversary of that album, you should do it on the day that album dropped, not like three days later or something like that. Especially when you're at the level of Taylor Swift. She could drop anything on any day of the week. I know a lot of in the music industry, new music Friday is what helps a lot of artists

21:26because of all the playlists and promotion and stuff. But when you're Taylor Swift, you could, I mean, like folklore. You know what I mean? You could just drop something and it'll like the Swifties we got your back. If Taylor Swift says, hey, Tokyo, I need you to drop an Easter egg at midnight. Tokyo does it. Exactly. I think the music industry would listen to her. Oh, yeah. But November 10th does fall on a Tuesday this year. Love it. So is that going to be her album release? If it is her album release, we will know something soon. Because it should be ever. Should be promoting it. Yeah. Unless she, unless Korma pops up unannounced, like she said, you know, with reputation as well. My only question would be because I have been on the debut 20th anniversary train for so long and I'm still on it. I'm not hopping off. But why wouldn't she release it on the date on the actual 20th anniversary of in October? Like why would you do it in November?

22:27Wait, when was it released? It was released in October? October, yeah. Oh, then I October 24th of 2006. So why not release it on October 24th? Yeah, I would assume it would be whatever that day is. Unless she thinks that's too obvious and maybe she announces it on that day. Like, oh, today's a 20th anniversary presale now or preorder now. Maybe. It's too obvious. But she says she doesn't want to do things the same way. But she also says in Opalite, they've seen it before. They'll see it again. So I mean, who? And that's why it is fun to be a 50 because it's confusing, it's exciting, we're all waiting. Does it make sense? Does it not make sense? Is she going to do the obvious thing or is she going to pull some surprise? And I do have guesses on that. Okay, but it would be perfect for her to release it 20 years later. There's also something on the board, a simple birthday surprise.

23:29Yeah, I noticed that too. Are we getting something for Taylor's birthday? If debut TV does arrive on November 10th, we could still be celebrating. Or she could announce it on November 10th and then release something for her birthday. And there's been other birthday clues lately, but like we said, there's so much going on right now. It's hard to juggle it all. Yeah. But there has been references to birthdays, that doesn't necessarily mean her birthday or Travis Kelsey's birthday. That was another theory, which I mean, that'll be next year. I thought his birthday's in October. Oh, it's not October yet, you're right. Yeah, we're still on September currently. Okay. It's 8, 7 that I was thinking of that's already passed. People were thinking maybe for his number. 87 something was going to happen. Yeah, I know his birthday's in October, but I don't know if you already have this part Lacey, so I'm sorry if I'm jumping over you.

24:31But when she was on New Heights, when she announced Showgirl, and do you have that? No. Okay, so when she was on New Heights and she announced Showgirl, Jason made some sort of joke about Taylor doing like sports commentary or something. And she said like, yeah, maybe like give me 60 months and 60 months from that episode would be her birthday. So even if it wasn't just like sports commentary, the fact that she said 60 months from then does, you know, kind of line up with her birthday, whatever that may be, a simple birthday celebration maybe, you know? And we don't know every Easter egg and Taylor has said like, I'm not alluding to everything, but when Taylor Swift is throwing out a seemingly random number, like she did so many times on the New Heights podcast. I know, what was that 47? Did we ever figure that out? Not yet. I still need the Swift Easter eggs for Dummy's book. I'm waiting for that. So, do you, as of right now,

25:35before I move to theory two, what are your thoughts? What do you think that this is obviously debut? Do you think that there is more to it? Do you trust what Taylor's saying or do you suspect she's up to no good? I think she's definitely dropping hints for something. Whatever it is, I don't think it's like, oh, it's obviously this because I think you can make a case. Nick, music please. I think you can make a case for anything that you want to believe. And so that's kind of like why I'm believing almost every theory. Like I could see her doing debut. I could see her doing the reputation vault tracks. I could see her doing a double vault track extravaganza for her birthday, whatever it be. I could see TS13. I could really see anything. So I do think that she put Easter eggs in this sketch for us. But I don't know. I think it's something I just don't know what it is. And my heart really just wants debut.

26:37Of course, I would love to get the reputation vault. Like that would be absolutely insane. And they would be crazy. I would love that too. But I just will forever ask for I'd like Taylor's version. So there's just that part of me. But then I don't know. I also kind of wonder if it's maybe something else. I was reminded recently about something that I had been saying for months and months and months. And then we got the Ares tour docuseries. But I still think that we could get a docuseries about the Taylor's version. The re-recording of Taylor's music, everything that she's been doing for the last five years. I think there could be some sort of docuseries about that. And I started to think maybe we were going to get that in the part where in the video when she says it could something or whatever could be hiding in plain sight. And she sits down on the desk. And she moves an Apple TV remote. Did you notice that? I did not notice that. So she sits on the desk. And there's a little silver Apple TV remote.

27:37And she just kind of moves it. When she says it's hiding in plain sight. So I thought, OK, we know that she has a deal with Disney. But maybe she has a deal coming up with Apple TV. Maybe on Apple TV is where we get this docuseries about Taylor's version. Or not even that, but just like she just also released all of her music videos on Spotify. Maybe Apple TV is where we get all of the concert movies. I feel like there's still so much of her catalog that she owns now that she is kind of slowly starting to share. And so I kind of feel like maybe it's something like that, where it's not a re-recording. It's not a Vault track, but it's more so her, all of her concert movies, or a docuseries, or something like that. I think it could be anything. I do think it's something, but it could be anything. This podcast is supported by your Southern California Kia dealers. It's hard not to notice how many electric vehicles are on the 405, 101, and 10 freeways these days.

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29:41on a sesame seed bun, and medium fries, and a drink. We may need to change that jingle. Price of a distribution may vary. Saturday, September 26, two of combat sports' most dangerous strikers collide, Bear Knuckle. Liverpool's own down in the gorilla tail goes to war with Cuban powerhouse Yoel's soldier of Dabra Miro. Plus, the Bear Knuckle middle-weight championship of the world is on the line. Win the rating, Champ Dave Varedneck Mundell, defense against undefeated British challenger, Jack Demeek-Pleaver-Colon, BKFC 94, Till Verse Miro. Watch it live only on the zone. Sign up now at Dizone.com. Man, this is going to be one of those things that Swifties referenced forever like this. Is this going to be the new, the man wall? You know, like where people refer to it all the time and find different clues five years later. Which I even think the man wall was referenced in this sketch. It has come back up, Nick. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

30:41It really has come back. It has. And it's insane. And also like the board reminded me of the Stephen Colbert. The Stephen Colbert interview. Yes. You're warning. You know? Like, it's just, I don't know. It's awesome. It's really, really awesome. And you kind of have to like speak Swiftie to understand it, you know? But yeah, I don't know. That was a long answer to your question, Lacey. Nick, what do you think? I'm still just stuck on it's something with debut or reputation Taylor's versions. Whatever that is, whenever that is, I don't know. I think there's a lot of just red hair and clues here that might just go down a rabbit hole of nothing. But it's getting Swifties to talk. And I think it's not overly complicated. This was an unawared for TV. Let's do something with Taylor's version TV. I just assume in my head she probably wants to wrap up the Taylor's version project and move past that for other things.

31:43So maybe it's something like that. That's what I'm thinking. I don't know what about you, Lacey. Is there anything that you're like super hardcore leaning towards? Yes, but I'll get to it in another theory. All right. And also I believe all of them. So it's hard. It could all be true. But I do have another one. OK, theory, too. Reputation. Debut theory owns the words in this anagram. First rerecording, Dave, whatever that was. Reputation theory actually owns the date. Not just from Taylor's version 1989, reputation was originally released November 10, 2017. So is that a nod to reputation? And it's hard. It's hard to take what Taylor says at face value first off because she's cryptic because she is the zodiac killer with her language. But also she's known for her red hairings. So you say something's obvious and it's right in front

32:46of your face and then you throw everything up there. So yes, my first, my debut album on Reputation's release date, y'all do with that what you want. There was a blue and a black guitar pick. Also the choose, the choose were everywhere, which I have another theory about that. But the choose were everywhere. 13 was also everywhere. So are you referring to us? Like the 13 podcast? You're right. Yeah. That was our shout out. You're absolutely right. I'm surprised we have a guest coming up. Yeah. Getting imagined. That is the best theory I have heard. Out of all these, that is the best theory that I have heard. Sorry, I threw you off. No. So back to this sketch, there were reputation references, not only the picture of her album, but also bad blood.

33:48Look what you made me do. And then Taylor Swift does a very Taylor Swift thing. And say anything. Is that delivering a code that fills reputation? There will be no further explanation. There will just be reputation. I didn't say anything. I like that. But it's still the anagram, if that is correct, does say my first record, not my sixth record. Also, we know that Taylor is not re-recording reputation. She said it was already good. She fire. Y'all sat on her. Fire also aresign. Yes. Is fire and the vault tracks for reputation are fire. Quote. Yeah, I kind of have, for the last couple of years, ever since she wrote that letter about getting her masters back, I have thought that if she were to re-release reputation,

34:51it would only be the vault tracks. Right. Yeah, that's what she said she wants to do. So if we want them, she'll release them. Yeah. OK, Taylor. I wonder. Not us calling Taylor stupid, like, yeah, I think we want them. No, it's only like, yeah, let us find ways to say that you're hinting at it for the next couple of years. And then you're going to be like, well, you guys clearly want this. She's so funny. She is funny. And like, what is the glitch? I'm still waiting on glitch talking about Taylor Swift Easter eggs. How many years ago was that that she released? It's been... Are we talking about the wildest dream? Yes. That was the funny glitch. I was literally... That was COVID era. Yeah. Wow. That needs to go in the Taylor Swift Easter egg for Dummy's book, for sure. And should we write it? I think we probably should. Somebody. Somebody did point out or said, I have not verified this myself, but that there was a small

35:55glitch in the video that was posted. The Emmys? Yeah, of the Emmys. I didn't notice that. Oh, I didn't notice that glitch in the video. OK, theory three. Debutation. Debutation. People are saying that Taylor has already re-recorded her first album. We know that via her who confirmed it. We know that she's not re-recording reputation. She just has some fire vault tracks. If she put them together, debutation, that would be considered a new album, that could... Or even with the re-recording, you have to have so much new material to be considered. So that could be what gets Taylor all the cred and wins her debutation, Taylor's version. I only have my version, whatever it is, that she's going to call it. Do you think... Yeah, I was going to say, do you think that if she were to do that, she would call it

36:55debutation? No way, right? I don't know. That seems a little too funny. Oh, yeah. To be like, I would assume she's taking it seriously, so that's a little too cheeky of a name. But she did call it song karma. Very true. She did release an album with the color aesthetic being orange. That was funny. That was funny. She's so funny. The only reason... I think this could very well happen. I've just been stuck on the theory that she wants reputation to get its time. She wants reputation to win because she was so upset at the beginning of Miss Americana. I have got to make a better record. That's the only reason I don't think that debutation is going to be it. I think that she wants to re-release reputation with enough songs to get reputation, finally

37:57get that Grammy because she's trying to write the wrongs in her life. She's now redoing stuff now that she's back in power. So that's... But there are two picks on there, two guitar picks, and it's all the right colors. North or South also talks two directions. North and South could also be up and down. So could be a reference to my first, my last stolen album. I like that. Beginning and end. And that could be why there's the doubles. Why there's two? Because she's telling us, nope, we got it. We got it. This is it. Both of them. What do you think of that likelihood happening of debutation? I do not think she would release them at the same time. I could see a world where she announces them both and she says, hey, Dave use coming out on ex date reputation is another date.

39:00See it's, hey guys, I'm going to release both of them on the anniversaries of their release dates. And she does that to separate them a little bit. I could see a world where she announces them at the same time, but they're not released at the same time. Yeah, because then she's competing with herself. Yeah, and you don't want to do that. I also just think that both projects have so much power individually. You know that... She doesn't want one to get buried or whatever. You know, just to make sure she's number one on the charts for each one. And she's not competing with herself on either of those. Yeah. And give each one a time to shine. You know? Yeah, though, I guess maybe whenever they are both out, I could see her doing some sort of celebration in whatever that looks of all of the rerecords being out in the world. You know? I don't know. I don't know. Anything's possible though. But is that the theory that you're thinking is most likely, Lacey?

40:01Least likely. That's the least likely. M-I-A-P-N-D. Which one do you think is the most likely? Have you gotten there yet? I'm a tie between theory four and just a little hint of something. So theory four, karma. Karma's coming back around. This podcast is supported by your Southern California Kia dealers. It's hard not to notice how many electric vehicles are on the 405, 101, and 10 freeways these days. Better technology, convenient charging, and longer driving range are making the switch to electric more practical than ever. Kia offers three all-electric models that combine performance, technology, and capability. With compatible DC fast chargers, they can charge to 80% in less than 30 minutes, making it easier to get back on the road. One model that really stands out is the 2026 Kia EV9.

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42:03Karma is coming back around and our friend V Swiftie on TikTok put this together perfectly. He explains why. Did Taylor say it's hidden in plain sight as in right in front of us or in plain sight PLA and E-Site relating to a plane? Because if we go to the look what you made me do music video, we still have this unknown Taylor who essentially is cutting off the wings of this plane. Tucked behind all of these other albums out front and center, this one back in the shadows on the plane. That on the tail of this plane says T.S. 6. And if the plane is T.S. 6 and the wings are being cut off, therefore this plane cannot take off and is essentially grounded or maybe kept an avult or maybe also being trapped in a cage. Until she gets her masters back and this now orange songbird, this bird and a filia can

43:09now fly free. Out the window at the end of the fate of a filia music video, since she now has her masters back, including all of her masters, even the grounded, unreleased, original T.S. 6. We can't forget the swissbicious orange feathers that just made an appearance for the practice of I can do this with a broken heart. Again, just eluding that this original 6 album, aka karma, aka whatever it's actually supposed to be called, is indeed making a comeback around potentially about to be released. And she says, can she plan things that far in advance? Maybe we retroactively need to look in plane sight here. You know, I have never been a karma truther. That explanation made a lot of sense. I don't like, oh, okay, I could see that. I never really thought about, I know that she's been releasing songs from the vault that

44:12she allegedly wrote around the same time of each of her albums that just didn't make that cut. I've never really thought about an entire album that just wasn't released. Like a separate project. And so that makes sense. Yeah. I've always loved the karma theory, like just for years and years, especially because with the look what you made me do video when that came out Taylor saying, like there's stuff in here that y'all won't understand for years to come. I am still hung up on that. And so I've always loved it. And so it's like, if one day we do get that, I would love that. My only question would be kind of coming from more so a PR standpoint. If Taylor were to release a brand new album, the karma album, you know, we as Swifties know, this was the scrapped album that was supposed to be released back in 2016. Before I'm used to she has on there, whatever lyrics she has on there would apply to then, right? But if she were to release a new album, the general public, they would assume that she's writing about her current life.

45:13So she's writing some scathing lyrics back then. People are going to be like, she's getting a divorce from Travis. True. You know, so like that kind of worries me on like just the greater scope of things, not like, not that that should stop her from doing that because it shouldn't. But Taylor Swift more than anybody gets torn to pieces because her lyrics are so autobiographical, biographical, biographical. And so like, I don't know, even with showgirl, even though that was released probably a year after she wrote it, people were applying the lyrics to her current day. You know, and so it's just, it's kind of, it's kind of tough. Like you kind of are the victim of your own demise at that point because she probably has all this really great music. So that would only make me think that from that perspective, the karma album would be better released as the reputation vault because then it's very, very clear that this is like, this was from the reputation era.

46:16Does that make sense? Yeah. I think in my head, if and when Taylor releases karma, I think she's going to call it karma. I think she's going to let the fans know I'm giving you this. This is, you were correct the whole time. This is the album. May or may not be called karma, may or may not have changes made to it because, lyrically, she's gotten wordier, bigger words that we have to look up, you know, so it could, but I think that she would tell us, this is for you and you were correct. Yes, just in my head. No, I mean, I completely agree. What I'm saying is that people outside of the Taylor Swift bubble would take it at face value and not understand the actual gravity of it and understand the actual power of it and the actual lyrics of it because we would listen to it knowing, okay, this is probably

47:17stuff that she wrote 10 years ago, but Joe over there, so wait, random name, I did not mean to apply to Joe Allen. Jason over, not Jason Kelsey, Jay. Billy Bob over there, you know, would probably hear Aliric and just be like, like, I just, I don't know, that's just kind of coming from like a PR standpoint. Sure. And also, I wonder if it's promoted as like, hey guys, this is the album that was shelved for XYZ reasons, so I never recorded it. If someone doesn't like it, they'll say, well, I know why it didn't come out because it's garbage, you know? Yeah. Of course, the out, of course, the record label didn't let you put it out because it's not any good. Yeah, I mean, we can, we can predict the criticisms behind anything at this point, but she's not making and releasing music for the haters. The haters are going to hate. She's doing it for us. She's going to get crapped on either way, no matter what she does.

48:18If she releases a brand new album and it's all about love, if she releases something and it's too sexy, if she has a cuss word, if she releases old music, but this would be for the fans. Yeah. And everybody else needs to shut up. I got so mad the other day because somebody was talking to me about, I mean, just like whatever, obviously people just talking about Taylor Swift. But somebody asked me, they're like, do you kind of hope that her and Travis get divorced so that she'll write a really good album? That is the worst. And I got so mad because I was like, first of all, no, her and Travis are soulmates. Second of all, she could write the most incredible album about love and it's still going to be really good. I said, some of her best songs are love songs. And he goes, yeah, this was a man. He goes, oh, really? I thought she only wrote breakup songs. I was like, you were living under a rock. Right. And I've always hated that thought when it comes to any artist, people say the exact same thing about Sam Smith. And it's out. People say the exact same thing about Adele. It's like, no, these artists can write about a little bit of everything. Sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn't, but maybe it would be a beautiful love album.

49:25And it would be awesome. And it would shut people up. I don't know. So I've always hated that thought with any artist, not just Taylor Swift. And how rude period to wish it a worse on anybody. I know. So that you benefit from it. Right. This girl who's been singing her heart out for the last 20 years about finding someone to love and to love her. And that finally happens and you wanted to end? No. Yeah. Want it to be great, just like every marriage. You want it to be great. Yeah. I'm a very big fan of my divorce, but I don't wish divorce on other people. I do. Would you know what Lacey, the music you've written since your divorce has been pretty good? It's been a very great, yeah. That's a joke, but the life I have now is worth it. Yeah. Worth it all. That is the music I'm speaking about. But don't, if it don't ever wish a divorce on somebody. I am pro happiness. And if that involves a divorce, good for you.

50:25Do what you got to do, but I'm not wishing a divorce on anybody. That's just messed up. So one thing about all of this that I was thinking about was, so Taylor was nominated for five Emmys for various things from the Aristor concert film. And this whole skit, this law in order skit, had been planned for weeks and weeks and weeks, was shot before I would assume before the creative Emmys, which was like a separate show or was a separate ceremony then when this skit aired. So like I wonder what happens with all of this planning because she lost all of those Emmys. She didn't win any Emmys for the Aristor. So like I wonder if some Easter eggs were written assuming she would win one or two of the categories. And so like I wonder which Easter eggs have hit a dead end because she didn't win any of those or anything like that. Yes, that's right. Or I wonder if maybe she would have made an appearance at the Emmys if she had won one

51:26a week before, you know? Yeah. Maybe she would have been a presenter or something at the actual Emmys ceremony that was televised if she had won a creative Emmy the week before. Maybe they filmed two endings. Maybe. Could have. Or did she record an acceptance speech that could be played? Yeah. Should have. Yeah, she's done that before. Yeah. Could have for sure. Yeah. Back to the board. Back to the board. Back to the board. This podcast is supported by your Southern California key dealers. Being in Southern California, your SUV needs to do a little bit of everything. From the daily commute to weekends at the beach, road trips to Palm Springs and family adventures in Big Bear. That's why having the right SUV matters. Kia has an SUV built to fit just about every lifestyle with traditional gas, hybrid, and all electric models. Across the lineup, you'll find sophisticated design, rugged capability, generous cargo

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53:29Reserve your spot with just $200 down at BKFSEA.com. Something that she says directly to camera, breaking the fourth wall from the vineyard. From the vineyard. Well some people point out from the vineyard could be from the vault. Something that she did reference and look what you made me do, something that she's referenced since then. I also saw a super interesting theory that pointed out that a vineyard takes a long time to release. First you start off with that saturate, which is the sugar and the grapes and then it has to ferment and it has to ferment and mature for so long. That's interesting. Maybe we're finally getting a Taylor Swift wine.

54:30That would be great. That would be great. Sorry, that was delayed. Maybe. Maybe. This is an idea that we've had for years and years and years and years. Maybe it is that obvious. What if that is the announcement that we get on November? I would love that. I would get so drunk it was in your face the whole time. Okay, the vineyard, it takes a long time to the process is long and even after the grapes are ready, then you pick the grapes you make wine and then the wine still has time to mature like 10 years. Is that a reference back to you? That has been brewing for a long time that she had to wait until it was the right moment. She wanted to own all of her work. She did just release her music videos. Now that she owns everything on Spotify, is she writing the wrong that's happened in the

55:31past. Now she's going to get back on track and she would get back on track with karma. People bring up still the man music wall or the, sorry, the man wall. She's on there twice. Twice. Song, that was just a tease. She's playing with us. She's feeding us and then she is going to go back and release karma. Also the coffee cup and the karma music video, she's got a blue nail near eight, gravitation, near two, clock approach and midnight. Is that something to deliver it? Karma is a cat. She had the cat. And the little skit with Olivia Benson, which was so funny. Yeah, that was very cute. So cute. And in the karma music video, whenever it flips and she looks like she's in her reputation era, she is wearing an airy mask.

56:31Okay. Yeah. So is that what's been hiding in plain sight? She's been teasing it. She's been teasing it. Isn't it? If that is, in fact, what she is teasing. But this, I have one more theory that I want to share. And just one very simple one, which is a train that I have been on for a long time jumping on this bandwagon. There were a lot of thirteenths on there. And while we appreciate the shout out, people have been clowning for the thirteenth album and Taylor did have new hair. Yes. She's got that short hair. Yes. True. And that is something that is in plain sight. Yeah. Yeah. So is that what she's alluding to? Is she throwing all this out there just to throw us off? Because she's still on track with TS-13. She wants to wrap up her trilogy. It's going to start. The title will start with the, like her other two, last two albums have.

57:36The tortured poets. The life of the showgirl. The what? You can wrap that up, release karma, and then release her last two. Hmm. I like it. It's interesting. I also am hung up on, um, hiding in plain sight is a lyric from Dear Reader. Mm-hmm. Oh. Maybe she's releasing a book. A book. A book. Dear Reader. Interesting. I had seen a theory that hiding in plain sight was the 20th track. And that means the 20th anniversary of debut. Ooh. So then that could be a debut reference. And then also when she's hiding in plain sight, uh, on the big board that they're pointing at all the clues in the skit is a just a giant, uh, logo of Saturday Night Live. So people are like, oh, maybe she's going to go on SNL soon. Yeah. Something also. Yeah. That's a possibility. I saw a theory about that. There was the Post-It note north or south, uh, they were saying Dakota Johnson.

58:40She's going to be a host on Dakota Johnson is going to be a host on SNL coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Right to that too. Yeah. Here's a fun theory that Jen TTPD shared. And let's just all hope that this is true. There's a couple things that really stood out to me and they all point to a new venue that is opening on the East Coast. The Las Vegas sphere. They're opening a second location, the location that they chose is National Harbor in Maryland. I've been saying that there's been so many sphere hints along the way whenever Taylor mentions a TV going to Taylor's version makes a lot of sense, but we know Taylor's version is coming. So that's not really like anything to look into, right? But the biggest television is the sphere. It's an entire TV experience. Now when she turned to the camera and she said that all like cryptically and some people just assumed she's messing with us, well, Sakurai is a sugar molecule, but it's shaped

59:40like a sphere. Aries could be the month that is planning to open, which would be a March to April release in one, two or three years from the vineyard north or south when they were trying to figure out the location of the new sphere. They wanted it within driving distance of other like famous hotspots, right? One of the big parts of the Las Vegas sphere is that it's about eight hours away from wine, country, and California. Well, guess what's eight hours away from the sphere on the East Coast? Murthas Vineyard. It's hiding in plain sight. Remember how Taylor moves the remote control next to the TV? Well, the East Coast sphere was looking for investors that would be very hands on. They wanted people to help pick and choose what acts and what to display at the sphere. And I'm wondering if Taylor is an investor because that would be a remote position. It's not necessarily that she's going to do a residency at the sphere. It's that she's going to hand pick artists and bring all of her friends to the summit.

1:00:40I like that. What do you guys think? Yeah. Interesting. I didn't know they were doing a second sphere. Me neither. Hmm. The amount of money I'd spend to see Taylor Swift at the sphere. I actually can't even say it out loud because it's like... I mean, I'd have to take out alone to go see her. I would have to sell a couple organs. Probably. I didn't know you played the organ. Do you play the piano too? Thank you. That was such a die joke. Yep. Yeah, whatever we have to do to be there will be there. One last speculation that people have been making with the two's, with the show girl, the encore is the encore going to be a residency or even life of a show girl to musical or something like that. Who knows? Who knows?

1:01:41I wonder if she'll make a big announcement at the VMAs because that's coming up in a week. September 27th. Yeah. Maybe she'll make an announcement there before. So maybe this would be a fun place to announce something. Yeah. And I think she has said that she's going to be there. Yep, I've heard that and she's got a bunch of nominations. So Shirley's she'll be on stage winning something and it might be a good time to announce. I can't wait to see what she wears. And they've seen it before. They'll see it again. People were also pointing out to Opalite and their performance on TV where Greta Lee's doing that. Look, an old school MTV MTV VMAs. Yeah. So we'll see. I guess time will tell. Time will tell. But whatever she has a per sleeve, I'm very excited. Me too. I'm very excited for her to do everything that we just mentioned in this episode. Yeah. I think it's yeah at one point or another.

1:02:43We don't know what order, but somehow. Yeah. I think it's all going to happen. Yeah, I agree. Well, Taylor, if you're listening, I know you are. Why don't you just go ahead and text us. You can find the number to reach out to us in the description of this podcast. You can email us, Taylor as well. Give us a hand. Give us a little nudge of which theory you think is the most correct, which one are we on the right track. Yeah, that'd be nice. If you want to be like Taylor Swift, all the ways to reach out to us are listed in the description of this podcast below, along with our social media handles, our emails, our phone number, we would love to hear from you. I just have one last thing to say. Zacharyne, Aries from the Vineyard, North or South. Thanks for listening. The 13, a Taylor Swift fan podcast. Subscribe for free and leave a positive review on Apple podcasts, Spotify or Google podcasts. You're listening to this podcast, so I know you've got a curious mind.

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