Talk Cosmos 09-06-26 Jupiter Fire Trine Saturn

0:00Welcome to Talk Cosmos. The show where Sue Rose Minahan and her guests bring you insightful conversations to awaken heart and soul consciousness. Come journey with us exploring the meaningfulness of astrology's energetic cycles and get ready to understand your path in the cosmic roots of the stars. Hello, I'm Sue Minahan and this is Talk Cosmos. I'm pre-recording. UAC is coming up and September 6 will be right during that time. And for today we don't have a guest, but my guest really is with Dr. Laura Tad. We're steadfastly been here and always has the most valuable information. So it's going to be a wonderful event with herself and me looking at a firetron between

1:06the great conjunction planets. So with more said, we're just going to begin. This is about Jupiter and Leo Trine Saturn and Aris. In the first week of the month, Talk Cosmos ignites a conversation exploring planets cycle relationships in a cosmos to understand their archetypal consciousness and meaningfulness for individuals and the collective. Blending world events, mythology and philosophy, these are the astrologers identifying the deeper impact of the planets buzzing in our daily lives. I'm Sue Ros Minahan, founder of Talk Cosmos since 2018. I'm an evolutionary astrologer, consultant, speaker, writer, vibrational astrologist, student, dwarf planet university graduate, Kepler astrology, toastmasters, club charter member. I am a fine arts music degree plus a certificate in jazz and an artist, musician and certified

2:08color energy life coach, especially I love mythology and esoteric philosophy. And I'm Dr. Laura Tan. I work as a spiritually oriented psychological astrologer with students and clients around the world. As a counselor, writer and educator, I love helping people recognize their inner strengths, take advantage of all species moments and navigate times of challenge with greater ease. On my own podcast, Mythic Sky Storytime, I discuss astrology, mythology, and actualize our full potential. Learn more at mythicsky.com. And as the ancient, hermetic code reveals, as below, so above, as above, so below. Hi, Dr. Tan. I missed you last month. It's great to have you back. Yeah, it was traveling. You were indeed wonderful parts of the world. Well, thank you for returning here.

3:10And like, sadrising God, say she ate it. It is true. It is true. Yes, both to very old places, too. It's most interesting, you know, as far as time goes to Ireland and China, if I might say so. That was. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. Dr. Laura Tan is mythicsky.com. And she has a podcast and also a YouTube channel. And that is at my mythic sky. Yeah, storytime is the podcast. Okay. Well, we have this trying. It's a fire trying. Now, there's been other events. But, or typally, it has not been in areas and Leo, two fire signs. These two fire signs for, well, for 60 years. Just shy of 60 years, yeah.

4:11Yeah. So it's celestial objects to be in this kind of ease of communication that is sort of how we think of trines, that there's an ease to them. For harmonious ways of communicating. And I was working with a friend, son, who's a piano player and used the keyboard as an example, right? So the trines being a harmonious chord, as opposed to a disharmonious chord, are really like C and E sharp would might be more of like a quenckonks because it's kind of funky. So the trying being a very harmonious chord in music. And it is. It resolves. Well, it's like, yes, it is like a force or something. It resolves that tension. Yeah. When we look at the archetypes of them, in some ways, it can be that abundance with Jupiter

5:17of what we consider shadows or light. And I mean, I think it's powerful signs for both of them to be in, but neither one is their ruling sign, right? But this powerful energy for very powerful planetary archetype at the same time. And that expansive of that Leo king of the jungle, right, you've got the lion there is king of the jungle. How powerful that can be. And the largest planet in the solar system. It is. And then Saturn that in some ways is not necessarily very comfortable in areas because that airy likes to rush and signs measured. That is in a sense, I guess, really one of the ideas that make their not quite so complementary, yet the magnitude of what through one's pioneering development going on a path can be really

6:25extraordinary as far as what they want to imprint, you could say, in areas, you know, what they want to experience. And the generosity and the leadership of oneself that believes in oneself, I think that's a lot of it that we have that power to put aside some of the concerns because of that light that we're bringing up to our own ideas, for instance, or other people with their ideas. Yeah. And that taking action energy that's a raise, right, that proactive energy. To drive the drive to activate, yes, to achieve, to go forward. And they are, because we both love astrology, and you had mentioned there are two fathers.

7:26They're also father and son. Yes, they are indeed. It's a complex relationship there, perhaps going into a little bit of their, well, of course, Saturn was ruler and it was very organized because he controlled everything. Everybody had a role. They knew what to do. It was very system. And time didn't exist before Saturn. Saturn's father time. So we get linear out. And so he brought in that structure in response to the maybe disorder of or onus of Uranus. Yes. And the Corsaria, his wife, fooled him because he, what goes wrong, it comes around. And, you know, the wisdom of, then there'd been a prophecy that, uh, Cronus, or Saturn, because Cronus, folks, as many know, is Greek and the other is Roman, adopted all the Greek

8:29mythology. But would someone would take his power. And so he swallowed his children, which is an interesting idea of Saturn itself, that it absorbs that control, you know, it maintains order by not allowing any interruption of structure. But then he was fooled. It was a stone. And so Zeus comes along and ends his career. His career. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Well, and that idea of like the repression, Saturn trying to maintain control, both being controlling and maintain control. Yes. Right. And then they're both in response to each other, right? Jupiter comes along, Jupiter, Saturn's construction, Jupiter's expansion. And so that Jupiter then forces Saturn to release all of his siblings, that have been repressed,

9:40that have been controlled. And so there's then an expansion of the pantheon that we get in response to Jupiter's actions. Yeah, all the Olympians, God's. Yes indeed. And it also had to do so much beautifully with free will. Like as you said, it got rid of that order. And therefore it's not ordained how we're going to be. It's that toggle between our choices and the consequences. And therefore our wisdom and embodying that divinity or that sense of the unknown within ourselves. Yeah. Well, that there's more possibility. Yes. I like that. I like that. Right. That Jupiter, you know, if anything, that's the shadow side too, of like anything's possible.

10:42So he had no constraints. He was married, but was not faithful. Right. So he went to the extreme of locking structure or more rules in, right. So because everything has its lower and higher expressions. Right. Or the extremes of structure, order, discipline has its place. Babies like to be swaddled. Right. Right. But then too much construction doesn't allow for personal growth and development. Right. So if we, as we move into this trying, it's trying, it's a, how do these energies in a healthy way support each other? Beautiful. Well, there's going, it's powerful. There's no doubt about that. And it's also optimistic. You know, yes, looking into Jupiter. It was optimistic sign of, of Leo and Jupiter itself.

11:46You know, it's association with sad, right? Is that expansive, optimistic, anything is possible? Energy. And in Leo, yeah, that creative optimism, right. Of like, what can we create or co-create? What can we give birth to in the world? And with law, in a sense, too, what is not the justice as we were mentioning about seventh with law itself and the philosophy, you know, the belief structures. There's so much that gets tethered together under and interestingly as Jupiter explores very much like, like, Aries, you know, they both fire. I mean, they're, you know, Jupiter is of course not fire. I'm thinking it naturally rules Sagittarius, which is, but it's, it's that forward instinctive motion, you know, that, and to it, very intuitive, too, too, too.

12:48Jupiter or Sagittarius, that trust, I think, is part of them. But it's like trusting, it's all going to work out. Yes. So then you go forward because you're like, well, yes, X, Y, and Z is happening. Is problematic or negative or complicated or could have life go sideways, but oh, but it's all going to work out. It is so true. That is so true. And so it continue desire to pursue it because it'll work out in the end, no matter what it looks like. That's a real blind spot. I mean, I don't have personal bases at times. You just accept and go, yes, and can do it. But there's, but I mean, that's not just big shadow, right? It's so optimistic. It's not realistic. And there's gifts along the way, you know, because it does interact with so many and, and, and life and it's easy opportunity. I think that's the other thing. It's easy opportunity. And so therefore it isn't making those choices, you know, go this direction or that direction.

13:50And it can work out just depending on what basis. Yes, but on the other hand, be careful for what you ask for, yes? Yes. Maybe. Well, Saturn and Ari's, we were mentioning is not the polar opposite, but it is instead of reaching out further and further and further. In a sense in the universe, it comes up to Saturn and Saturn goes, we can't see any further. That's it. There is a restriction. And whatever you have, but in vibrational astrology, it, it asks from research, which is not, it was very similar to exactly what modern, interpretive to be, but that it is what is fundamental, what is just stripping away everything else, very basic to any situation. You call that a skeleton, you call that, you know, a framework, whatever it is, but it

14:51gets down to being, so get really what's a perifiless. It really helps out, because Jupiter just makes everything bigger. Yeah, I mean, I think that way there is some similarity to Aaron or not truly Capricorn and so they're both cardinal in terms of the, that idea of stripping things away to only what's necessary. What were those two, your first just went out when? So well, that Capricorn is what, yes, so and Capricorn and Ari's both being cardinal signs, that there is this stripping away to only what's necessary, that both Ari's and Capricorn possessed, to some extent. Yes, you know, and with Ari's, you know, also with astrology, which is a fascinating way to look at it, vibrational, it says that Ari's is honest, that is its main drive that in

15:56order to, and I think by honesty, it means that they know themselves honestly what they want, and therefore you go ahead with what interests you, and they expect others around them to be of that honesty also, that courage of within, rather than, you know, if you foot the other side to Libra that is looking to please people in the sense, not just please, which is a shadow overtly, but rather to make a harmonious path that welcomes both ways. That's what I'm saying, which instead of Ari's that just says, what is it that you actually honestly need and want to do within yourself, because they can understand that within the other, and if the other, even if it's, it's disparate, you know, I mean, if it's not easily

16:58in line with what one wants, it's okay because they know that that's where they're coming from, because a fascinating way of adding to a thought, you know, that's because frustration, if you can't get what you want, does become if one isn't wise enough to see that many parts of it can be, an anger can be challenging. Yes, awesome. It's just tough to say. Yeah, well, I think some of the, what aside from the trying that we are collectively learning with Saturn going through Ari's is accountability for our actions, accountability for our anger, right, that that's part of what this combined energy is calling in. Those are such is absolutely true, because you can't change anything except oneself, and that's the beauty of it, is that there is possibility there.

17:58So yes, that's a perfect way to end that thought. You know, with solar fire and cycles, of course, I'm speaking at large here, people, we look at the patterns of recurrence and borrow, I'm not just borrow, but investigate what were those themes that were actually displayed and perhaps sees the truth of it. But this cycle is rather interesting because it, you know, Mars is a two year pattern, whereas so it, you know, will constantly, as far as a square, no, we're not talking about Mars, Sue, we're talking about Jupiter. Laura helped me out here because I'm working on two programs a day, and that's, and interestingly, in this particular date on September 1st and September 3rd, August 31st, I'll give

18:59a squealer here. They have two powerful aspects. One is the trine, and the other is this with saturn, this square. But here, we're talking about the trine, Jupiter and Saturn. So tell us what we found. Well, so just looking at the 60 year cycle between Jupiter and Saturn being trine in these signs, right? Because they're trying much more regularly than a 60 year cycle, but them falling in these signs. So the last time they, Jupiter was in Leo and Saturn was in Aries, was 1967. And I guess probably 68 as well, because they tend to come in three, but the cycle started this trilogy of trines was in 67, and then the one we're about to have. And that I just thought it was interesting that so we get all this fire energy, and the

19:59doors song, like my fire was the number one song in the US, which, right, so we get all this fire energy and then a song about fire is the biggest song in the country. One door and the doors, when you think of this symbolically, opening up a whole portal such as Jupiter and Aries, you know, no, no, there's Aries, there's Saturn and Jupiter, there's Leo, but still that doorway, that portal of going forward. Absolutely. It's really having lived it. It's pretty exciting. Yeah. And it's when Thirgood Marshall was sworn as the Supreme Court judge, and Thirgood Marshall was the first black Supreme Court judgeable for overturning Brown versus the Board of Education or he brought it, he went to the Supreme Court that overturned separate by equal in schools, which desegregated schools in this country.

20:59So hugely important figure historically, and that he got elevated to being a Supreme Court judge during this trine in that summer. And so this idea of looking at these archetypes of the expansive power and what that, the potential of that in a really healthy way, as opposed to power over, as opposed to control, that what is possible to transform power and authority in a really constructive way and that his elevation to the Supreme Court, I think, is a beautiful manifestation of that. Yes, is it really, truly is? I remember that face. It's just such a lovely face. So full of benefit, the Jupiterian type. I'm not that he, I don't know what's in his chart, but he just sort of exudes that generosity.

22:02Yeah. And it was also about some of the Beatles first met the Maharashi and were introduced to Trans and Denon meditation. So you again, this sort of expansive power that still has some discipline to it because TM's a pretty disciplined form of meditation. But again, sort of expanding our idea of that it isn't necessarily, doesn't have to be control, which is what we tend to think of this pattern. But there's this creative quality to it. That's part of the doors creativity with the Jupiterian Leo, creative ways of coming up with solutions that are powerfully transformative. Creating a channel for it to be creative. Yes. Yes. Very well. And so as we're moving into almost the exact same trying because it's only a degree different, this, the one at the end of the month, that, well, I guess we'll have already

23:05happened by the time this airs. Yeah. Just a little bit. Yeah. Just a little bit. Because it's the 31st of August that this expansive energy of, and leaning into its potential as opposed to fearing stepping into our power. What a difference because truly we do get what we see or what we expect in life. And that's a metaphysical idea, but it's always said in so many different ways. So having that basis of trust, you know, of faith, or at least anticipation of, of, of fulfillment rather than, and possibilities, is a growth factor. Yeah. Limiting and holding it in. Well, here are the cycles. And these cycles include what we're talking about, which is Leo, Jupiter, I'm saying this for the folks. Jupiter and Leo and Trine Saturn in aries.

24:09And usually they involve three, which would be direct motion and then apparent retrograde motion and then apparent and then direct motion back. But often of those three, they're not all in the same element, much less fire or of these two elements that we're talking about, which is aries and Leo. And so often they're in two and then they go to a third or also in one and then they go to the. Yeah. So that when I looked at the last 60 years, all of the Saturn, Jupiter, Trines over the last 60 years, occurred in two separate, two different sets. Right. That because there was three of them, at least one of them being a Jupiter or Saturn retrograde that re-kicked the Trine and that this particular one is all occurring in Leo and aries, which

25:11appears to be unusual, that it would occur, all three would occur in the same two signs, which well, there was in cancer, but not in fire. Yeah. And it's right. And going way back is hard to say. But I also saw, and I don't have a, I was looking for that here, there's a big gap of about quite a few years between the cycles with these two fire signs, you know, for any period. I mean, it's scattered, but then there's a big gap. So there's, right. That's it. Yeah. There were a couple other Trines after 88, but that even with that, they were occurring in two sets. And so this particular trilogy feels like we get a number of opportunities to work with it, that it's not a one off, or even a two off, right. It's kind of like more broadly that opportunity with retrograde energy, where you get to work

26:17on it a little bit when it's direct, and then it goes retrograde. You're like, oh, you weren't quite done. You didn't quite get it. You got to go back and do it again. And then we get the third pass. And so really almost for the next year, because that third Trine is in July next year. So for 10 months, we are in this energy. It's powerful. And that will be September 1st for this year. And for the podcast people, April 3rd in 2027 at 17 degrees, Leo and July 11th at 20 27 degrees, Leo. So it goes from the second third deck in between now and a year, you could say, safely, a year. Well, it is time to have a break. So when we come back, we'll look at this great conjunction. And I guess we'll have to step up. I'll have to step up my tempo a little bit to catch up with what we're doing. Thanks, Dr. Tad. It's great to have you back.

27:18And everybody, return, get that glass of water or a cup of coffee. And we'll continue looking at depth with these astrological charts. Thanks. Well, we take a break from this week's edition of Talk Cosmos. Let's take a look at this cycle's archetype. We are currently in the Yin period of Virgo by leaving a cycle based on the creative, manifested legacy of our highest creative form. The energy of Virgo completes the last sign below the horizon of the self and requires discernment to perfect oneself through the mental process of critical analysis. As immutable or sign, Julie ruled by Mercury. Virgo refines, heals, or fixes through daily routines, developing skills and services to control nature's chaos and maximize efficiency.

28:18Talk Cosmos ignites conversations to awaken heart and soul consciousness every Sunday at 1pm Pacific. Listen on KKNW, stream the video on the Talk Cosmos YouTube channel and Facebook page, or catch the podcast on major podcast carriers. While you're there, remember to like and subscribe so you never miss an episode. Plus, sign up for the newsletter at talkcosmos.com to join our expedition and launch your week into the cosmic wonder. You found us. Maybe you've been guided to listen. Alternative talk, 1150. Well, what do you know? Here we have the Great Conjunction. That was in December 21st, 2020. It was a 20 year cycle between Jupiter and Saturn and it's a cultural distinction. It sort of gets a reset and another pattern of what, how we operate. Because of this expansion, construction and in different science, however, just to recap,

29:24there's a larger cycle of 200 years because of the four is over 800 years. Period of time. And so we are, this trying is coming after the square, oh, I didn't put in the square. That's what we were going to add. Don't remember that now. But at any rate, it is after the conjunction, which was, and it is a 20 year cycle. So this is what, this is 20... It's six years later. Six years, yeah, thank you. So a trying would be about the right time for that. Yeah, so this is the first, we'll get the trying on the other side, but this is the first trying since the conjunction. And so it's, they'll potentially be some echoes of what you were experiencing in the end of 2020.

30:25That, that idea of right history doesn't repeat at rhymes. So some rhyming thematic things that are showing up over the next year that are tied to things you might have been going through or processing around this expansion, construction, mythology and story or your relationship with authority, relationship, and that are showing back up in this next year. Yeah, position, relationship with authority. What was the other one that you said? With the father. With the father? Yes, very excellent. Yeah, whether you are a father or you have a father or you are a father, right? Like how you father your relationship with the father archetype? Yes. And that's your own personal authority too, you know, how, because during the different eras, you know, it used to be that people emulated always in the footsteps following

31:26one's skills and direction. And then of course with modern travel, not everybody has their father nearby. And so it's, it's, you know, we, it was essentially asks for a person to become their own parent, you know, but that's absolutely important too. And I ask because unfortunately the mic goes out a little bit. So I'm hoping with the recording, it won't, but I know most of which is, but we follow, we still follow what you say. Beautifully. So here we have one occurring, which would have been last week when you're listening to this, but for us again, it's ahead because of this vacation and you act as United astrology conference, which hopefully I'll see someone, those folks there, you know, meet and greet. And, but it happens and I have Kailua Kona's time on it.

32:29However, it won't matter because as far as the timing, but it would be approximately 6 p.m. 16, 16, 16, 17 p.m. for Eastern time because we're six hours difference. But in this chart, it's a zero, aries chart. And therefore, we're just looking at it without the angles at all because it would have, for everybody, wherever we are. And there's quite a still am, right, you know, right off the bat of energy that's occurring. It's a powerful, just a little bit of aries. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, most of this got, you know, bunch of, bunch of skypeing in an aries. When you throw in the asteroids, for sure, a lot of the, a lot of aries. But both Saturn and Neptune, of course. And then along with the moon, you know, is very personal. So, any abstractions suddenly becomes very meaningful about where I'm eye-headed, what I'm

33:35I doing, what are my opportunities and everything else. But they're changing. You know, there is, it's, and partnerships. You know, it's, it's really like, who are my partners? And do they have values of mind? And I, can we share those resources together? Or, you know, it's a very powerful statement, I think, that going forward with. Yeah. Well, and so this trying of power and authority with playfulness, right, Jupiter and Leo, it's like, remember to have fun. Don't like, like, Leo doesn't like to take life very seriously. And so making sure that there's levity to things. That's good. Because in this particular chart, it is trying, or it's, and I was mentioning to it, square

34:38Mars, which is important just for actions. So we're going to want to take steps, you know, in this funness, like, oh, we can go here, we can do this. I want to plan its new things, you know, it's, it's, it's going ahead with that opportunity. Well, very much. Yeah, I think some of the gift of Mars being part of this first one is the pro-activeness that squares create that trines on their own can be kind of passive, even in fire signs. And squares are unavoidable. Yeah, which we just had back in 2012 to 15. There where it was spring in so much autonomy, so much wanting the release of freedom. Because freedom strongly is stamped on this, this, this particular archetypal of between

35:43Jupiter and Leo and in Aries with Saturn, you know, they want freedom. It's interesting. There's a control on the one side of freedom on the other. So it's, it's really up. Um, yeah, so it can be measured freedom. It can be like to not take on too much too fast. That's good. Looking ahead next year, do I? Yeah, I'm trying to try it. I suddenly didn't. Okay, good. There we are. So this one is retrograde because the second one is always retrograde. And this would be where Jupiter is retrograde during its season. And interestingly, it is conjunct Mars through degrees, which is, you know, really both of them. So I think the belief systems, you know, you get Mars and Jupiter together. They want to speak their voice.

36:45They want to, you know, declare their beliefs and put it into some kind of foundation or use that. Yeah, again, like lending some pro activity. So going ahead further to the, now the 11th of July, which is about a year away. And it's towards the end when Jupiter is about to enter Virgo. It makes a last statement. Again, it'll be others. I'm sure because the nodes are still in Leo and, and that's the other powerful thing that Jupiter has mentioned in other podcasts and other programs and astrologers are aware of that. Jupiter, this benefit, this, that makes everything big is with the South node. So there's a lot of releasing of what is not for the generosity of others, which is with

37:46the group, you know, of, of Aquarius. So it's going to have another statement here where it's saying, I'm nurturing, but oh, in this one, it's with Leo with series, which is of nurturing our grief and claiming that nerd, how to nurture that ourselves. Yeah. And I think maybe part of that is then nurturing the inner child because Leo can be that Leo is our child like nature. And so what part of the nurturing of the child that maybe didn't get to play? Yes. Or create something from that voice to from that Leo part. Oh, beautiful. Well, I went a little slower, but just to remind people right now, Dr. Laura Tad is mythic

38:46and she has a podcast and lectures. Go ahead and give a little idea about these issues and your podcast is now online. Oh, for a couple of like six years. Oh, okay. Oh, the podcast. The podcast has always been online. Yes, yes, yes. Cosmic conversations, which is the month. Yeah, you just cut out, but yes, the lectures were at the barn, but now are online for people that are once a month. And then also you have a meditation that you've just introduced. Yeah. So since May, I've been doing a midday, Monday, moon meditation. So it's a noon over zoom. It's free. Half an hour and always looking at the phase that the moon is in and meditating and connecting with that phasal experience of the moon.

39:47Oh, great. I'll get to many. Yeah. And particularly because coming up next, folks, is your moon journal. So that's really important because the moon is constantly in a new phase, another phase within its 28 days, over 29 and a half days of returning to the same. And each one, of course, as we know, like this one, in a sense, we're at that trine of between the new and the full moon. So we're going towards our opportunities in a sense. And at the full moon, we see what was what culminated. Yeah, for sure. It's a real growth process. So that's at mythicsky.com. You can connect with Laura. For myself, next week, we'll be about the moon, about the new moon in Virgo and the full

40:48moon in Accurace with Amanda Pierce, which is did the eclipses. And then following that, because of the seasonal break with time, it'll be the vibrational astrologies for the different wisdoms that are coming up vibrationally that are important to understand for the whole season. That's always of interest with Linda Barry and Rob Bacetti. And then, of course, ones in the past here, you can check yourself. So we're looking a bit as we look at these next three charts. I suppose or however it is that we want to look at life. You know, how we can bring that jupiterian sense of optimistic and opportunity and all the the bigness that we hope for. How that can shift any of ease with Saturn also being involved with cancer as far as because

41:53cancer is going to be more hesitant. But once, once protection, we'll protect the womb and for others too. And then also with largely, though, more than that, what's the follow through story? So we'll lead on because we have here a by-wheel with this, the 31st that we'll be experiencing when people watch this. Mars, the the Mojo engine that guess has initiated, is actually conjunct at 13 degrees exactly with the Sun. Right. So, but then I think, you know, so we have the Mars conjunct this on during this time. And so then looking at how this time is, it's this the by-wheel being the. Oh, thank you Laura.

42:54Yeah, and your voice just clicked out, but that was the civilly chart folks for the United States on July 4th. Thank you. 1776. 5 PM, 510. It's hard if I keep, I don't know that I'm cutting out. So I don't know. I know, I know. It's I wish we had a magic wand. But he's all worked out, right? So yeah, just looking at how this shrine is lining up with the US chart. So we do have Mars conjunct the Sun of the US during this shrine. And, but then within that, then Saturn is making an exact square, right? The Mars Saturn square means and Saturn conjunct the Sun means Saturn square with US Sun. Yes, it does. Doesn't it? Yes. Which is, we need to consider what is really of essence. What is important? Or we, because in, can Serian wants to protect the whole family of the nation and ourselves.

43:59It's a family, it's our home. And yet with Saturn there, it might be looking at maybe the laws too. How are the laws protecting? Yeah. And I think to how we self identify the structure of Saturn. Who am I is Aries? I am. So then the square of I am to the Sun, who am I? Yes. That is a distinct. And one last thing is that our natal moon at 27 Aquarius. There at the bottom of this chart, because it isn't the correct time with 12 Sagittarius for the rising. What is conjunct the North known? Which is holding at 1.29 degrees for 11 weeks because of the eclipses. So that's really a very stable, we are trying to go forward, I think, with everything that

45:03the moon in Aquarius embodies, looking out for the general welfare and protecting in a sense all of us together. And so that's quite a... It actually has an idea of what that means. I think that's always in a large group concern. Yeah, I mean it's interesting to think of 29 degrees as stable because it's the least stable degree of the zodiac. But... Yeah. But... And let's change. And that reminds me of the proverb in Mexico. Life is like a river, it's always changing yet the same. Here we have a Bible with a third of April, 2027, and the Sibli chart which is July 4, 1776 at 5, 10 pm. And interestingly, Saturn, transiting in that particular chart seems to be opposing,

46:06you know, it's a three degree orb. But the sun and... Well, not the sun so much, but yes, it's opposing our Saturn. So really looking at what's essential there and the moons are conjuncting. What about Jupiter? What's Jupiter doing? Well, in both chart, Saturn seems to be more of a player, right? So the last, the previous chart, we get Saturn square, the US Sun. And in this chart, the sun is square, the US Sun, to the degree. Yes. Absolutely. And then oppose the US Saturn. And so in general, this trying does seem to be, at least in how it's aspecting, the US chart, Saturn is making more of the direct aspects, or the heart, the more in terms of the telemetic aspects, that Saturn's more of a heavy hitter with this industry, or the Saturn

47:15then conjunct the sun in the mundane chart, in the transiting chart, again, like so, redefining who we are or refining. Not necessarily redefining, but a refinement Saturn refines things. So a refining of who we are. Reestablishing this indeed. And with that sun closing, it's a closing square. It is really taking some new forward steps, very possibly, because it's in areas, they're both in areas that identity, which is parody, you know, supporting what you're saying here. Well, the last one will be on July 11th, where the suns are nearly conjunct, they're both, you know, it's in the archetype, I mean, it's a period of cancer to begin with. But which is so amazing, because it's ruled by the moon and the moon is juper as opposing

48:17our natal moon. Here are juper as finally stepping up. And it's also at a late degree, 27 degrees before it departs from its 12 month cycle in a sign. And it once purity, you know, it's conjunct idea that asteroid that is looking, what's toxic and what's pure, you know, what is really manifesting for your best. Go ahead. And some ways I really like the fact that we end with the Jupiter being more of the dominant player, because it's like, oh, well, the work of Saturn, okay, so we're going to spend nine months doing a lot of the work, eight months doing a lot of work. And then it's expansive. It is, it is. That's really what we hope for, isn't it? You know, even life, you know, you're building your life. I mean, we have everyone to use an analogy.

49:18And then it has application. You're able to provide with it as opposed to like if it was Jupiter on the onset and it's like, oh, it's expansive. And then we have to do a lot of work. But this way, it's like, okay, we then we put in the sweat equity and we get the payoff. And also, it's very powerful, which is slow to culminate exactly is our natal neuronus return. And it's just within now, minutes is about half a minute, about well, 45, 45 minutes away. But it's very, it's eminent. We're feeling it. And that's with such diversity and many voices and new voices, new ways of speaking in Germany and neighbors and everything else.

50:20So I think. And that inventive energy that's Uranus, right? So again, sort of like three. Now that we've done some transformation maybe in terms of self identifying with all the aspects to the Sun, that then there's this stepping into a new authentic self that could be that Uranus return. Oh, did I end things? Let's see what happened. Sorry about this, folks. Sometimes technology, we can not complain on anything, by the way, forget all that. Yes, I guess so. I guess so. Well, thank you. Yes, Laura. What an event we have. So going back to where we are right now, we have some work to do, but we also have fun, right? As you were mentioning with with Jupiter, because that brings in a whole level as you mean, remind me of perspectives, because Jupiter is all about the perspective we hold.

51:27And if we keep that idea that we're giving us some sense of joy, or where is the joy, then that helps manifest our possibilities, let me see. Yes? Yeah. And not like not taking life too seriously, but like the world is a lot right now, a lot going on in the world. And so remembering to have some levity and some joy and that because Saturn can be guilt, right? Sometimes that's part of Saturn. So to not feel guilty for being joyful is true. We can hold two things at once. We learn that with Pisces, with the nodes and that. It's very important because there's a lot of sorrow or changes that are, difficult to go through.

52:29And so this bridge of having a trine in fire, light my fire, for instance, it's impactful. And it can also, it can generate life. You know, there's pine cones that won't germinate unless there's intense fire. I think that's why it's considered to be the eternal, one of the eternal symbols, that's just a lotus. Kind of indian. Well, yeah. Yeah. So I think as we move into this next year, right, because it really is about a 10 month period from the trine that happens at the very end of August to the one that's mid July, that letting yourself have some of that dance of that trine of the discipline of Saturn and the playfulness of Jupiter and finding that sweet spot that that trine offers us.

53:30And knowing that like with trines, we have to choose to engage with the energy. And think of big energy too, don't be fearful of it because I think you're right with Saturn and channels. It sends to mold. You begin to see what's the practicality. And if it is in aries, you still want to know, is this path going through the forest or across the river, which is going to be the best direction? Or flights, if you're traveling overseas, I'm just thinking of analogies, which has a better connection. So there's... Or you might end up like me in Stuck in Philly for 10 hours. So that's what it is in a series too. But you didn't see the Liberty Bell, I guess. Well, it not from the airport. You know, I was stuck once and I did make a little trip over to see the Liberty Bell. It was in case... Thank you, Laura, as we call our personal sense of freedom and beliefs and joy that we

54:35can find in these moments. As they say, it's when we smell the flowers, we hear when we gong the fire of joy. We can find it. So thank you.