Survivor AU: Redemption Episode 8 Recap

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1:28Hi everybody, and welcome back to RHAP's coverage of Australian Survivor Predemption. My name is Mike Bloom, back for an episode that showed a bounty tribe continuously divided or perhaps united. A lot of names being thrown around, eight people voted, four people got votes, and we are here to break it all down as well as look ahead to the double tribal council that will be coming in tomorrow's episode as we are officially discussing a newly named alliance head office. Who, how's your head office? I haven't had any complaints office. We were married tilliana, that was the telltale side. Yeah, man. What a weird episode, very weird, very strange. This might be the first time this season that have kind of been confused.

2:31Yeah, I mean, this reminds me a bit of episode six in that we get a bunch of names that are thrown out and plans that are in the works that obviously don't come to fruition. Now, the interesting thing about episode six that we didn't realize at the time is that it would come to fruition the very next episode. We are officially in a post-Don Robert slash Rogers society right now. And while the shelter is looking very structurally sound, this tribe is not, but I got to say Puyah from a pure scripted aspect of an unscripted show. Some fantastic things happen in this episode, even just the idea that one of the reasons that Lindel gets this rather abrupt boot is because Rich decides to play up the act of, oh no, I'm on the bottom, you have to save me, please throw a challenge. And now at the end of the episode, he is now in a position where he has to go to them again, and sincerely this time say, I'm on the bottom, please, you have to throw the

3:32challenge. I meet at this time. A self-fulfilling prophecy, Mike, he finds himself, you know, it's like sometimes when you become a method actor, you end up becoming too close to the role, he is the role now. This is him, the beggar, he has the beg, he has to because he really is in a tough spot and it's unfortunate because I do think that there was some potential there, but I just feel like the number of Ally options were so little on this tribe that if an offense, no offense, but if your option is test, you're in a tough spot. All right, we have so many places we can go, but I think we got to start with test. Test is a mess right now. We finally are getting a bit of an introspection into this game and it's not the best view. I'm just so absolutely perplexed sometimes watching what he was doing in this episode where he's saying in these confessionals, all right, I need to take charge of my game.

4:36If I want to start, you know, making a stir, I have to rise up from the bottom and truly shake up the game. And then he sits down with Richard Lindel says, hey, I want to work with you. And they're like, great, give us a name, Billy Eichter style, say a name for $100. And he basically has one forced out of him with which he immediately apologizes about preemptively to the person whose name he threw out. It's this weird sort of dichotomy that you even get a sense of it, tribal council, where I think Tess and I very much understand his desire to want to completely dismantle the structure, considering that he is pretty much terminally on the bottom. He has had a severe case of bottomitis this entire season so far. But it kind of like doesn't have the ideas to do it. You know, he has the theories, but not the actual concepts it seems to enact these plans. I think it's very tough. If you feel boxed in in survivors, like you said, the theory is there, right?

5:38You have the ideas. You have the blueprints of what one could do, but can you build outside of this box that you've been placed in? And I think that's what we saw with him because I do feel like faith is not a bad name. Faith is a jenga piece. You remove suddenly the board looks like it's wide open, but I think Tess suffered from two things. One, being terrified of leaving this game, does not want to leave the game. And therefore, two, not committing to the move he was making. Saying faith's name is good, put it out there, put a name out there, stand for something, you can get something out of it, get some allies out of it. The literal people are like, tell us a name, let's kick things off, but then the problem is you're doubled back and you went and told faith. And not only did you not tell faith directly, like I know this was supposed to be I'm telling faith directly, Mike, this was like a minute and a half of these slowest extraction I have seen. And I don't even think he said the words.

6:39I said your name. Like I think. Oh, it was so good. And put us to the editors because they brought in the personal segment with the Greek music. I don't know if you noticed this put you out, but he was telling the story and the music was underscoring. But every time he like stopped to derail his own story, the music pause to be like, oh, there's a stumble. Okay, we're back to it. Let's get into it now. But it kind of was just a continuous stumble to the point where when Rich comes back, it says, okay, I'm keen. Let's do it. Tess is like, let's do what? You know, I didn't say faith, right? I was the one who said it. And I think that's what it comes down to is I do think that Tess is definitely afraid of this concept that we have seen in Survivor Pass. And I think that's where the super fandom sort of comes out here, which is like, sometimes you don't want to be caught as the person saying a name. Hell, it almost got Sally booted in the last episode. Like oftentimes if you are the progenitor of trying to start a movement against somebody, it's all going to bounce back onto you. And so we even saw this to a certain extent in episode six. Again, this is a recurring trend in the past, the episodes when Mark's like, oh, who

7:41said, who said that name and says like, oh, well, it was a person with hair and pretty sure they had two feet. And that's all I could give you right now, Mark, sorry. And it's, it's just unfortunately coming across incredibly sketchy. It's that lack of commitment, like you're saying. And again, I very much understand his desire to work his way out of his position. I love that desire to not be complacent, but lack of complacency needs to be filled in by a commitment. Yeah, I think that really is what you need to do. You need it because I think the game's only going to get harder from here unless you're really hoping and praying that there are a couple of people that are going to leave before you before emerge or a swap where you can now retry. But at that point, other people are going to be way more locked in. Like you can hope for a fluid game. You can hope for a more adaptable game in front of you. There's no guarantee for all you know, all the pieces are going to lock in. And that's the numbers.

8:42That's it. They're going to whittle you down. You're going to get pogonged. You have no guarantee. But I think that when, you know, when you find yourself on the highway and there is an exit, sometimes you just take the exit because there might not be another exit for a while and you got to go to the bathroom. You got to go. You got to stop. And that's my other thing, Pooja, is that not once now, but twice. I think I was hearing his voting confessional correctly. He's sort of not necessarily biting the hand that feeds him. Actually, yeah, he literally is and that he's being offered these plans that he holds up a vote to the contrary, being like, I can't be let around. You can't tame this wild beast. And it's like, what are you doing? Mark is mouthing to you. Vote for Rich. You decide for whatever reason to be incredibly vocal about how you're getting approached by these plans, which obviously I think at that point, any faith plan had been scuttled. But what if scuttled it, put the nail in that coffin formally if Lindel and Rich are saying, hey, let's do this plan and Ted is like, yeah, I don't know.

9:43I've been approached by a lot of different ideas. It's this idea of simultaneously, I get almost paradoxically, being too open with some things and being too closed off with other things that has Mark, who he was theoretically the most well connected with all this tribe, basically cursing his name on the way out of the tribal council. Yeah. I think that the wishy-washingness has kind of put Tesla in front of us where honestly, I'm going to be surprised if everyone's like, hey, we put, we put the point, we saw point of fingers. We put the guns down. Let's just vote Tesla out. And I could see that happening. Operation stuff, the weasel finally happens. Exactly. Because I do think that, you know, you didn't follow what Mark was saying, who was your closest ally. You didn't vote with the people that you were trying to like, you know, make a coalition with against these other people. What are you going to do now? Like, this is not a good landing spot for you. Because now, even if he did vote with them, guess what?

10:43One of them left. Now, there's only one person left on that side and you. That is a horrible spot to be it. Yeah. So, this was a very complicated vote numerically speaking. It was three to two to two to one. But actually, if you look at it more from a conceptual perspective, it's two sides of two split votes, essentially. So we have, you know, head office, three wise women sort of hybrid here with Caleb splitting their votes between Lindelid Rich as was the plan. And then you have, as was the plan that I think was communicated to Lindelid Rich. That was a little confusing. Puyau, where Lindel leans over to Rich and is like, I'm voting Tez, I feel like it's led to make us believe, oh, this is a spur of the moment thing. Mark talks about how one of the contingencies they had for that plan was to tell the two bounty members to split their votes. That way if Lindel does play her idol, their two votes would not win the day. Yeah. And I do think that to me, that was more so I'm just abandoning any hope we had with Tez

11:47here. I'm just going back to the original. I'm going to split my vote. You do yours. We'll see what happens. It's unfortunate. It's a really unfortunate. I can't wait to find out how Lindel felt because no, wait, am I bugging, no, the idol's gone. So the idol's gone. And this is, this has been a very odd thing to follow both on and off the show for the past few days because she'll question this yesterday. The idol was real. You see the little symbol in that lower third that the Australian survivor street side that indicates he has the idol. But then Brooke continues to sort of go on her own sort of social media PR campaign. And I believe she's gone to the extent of saying not only was she told that this idol would expire at the swap, but apparently if she didn't play it in the episode six tribal council, production was going to take the idol away from her. So now I'm even more confused that I was at the end of episode six when Brooke first

12:50explained this because either that implies that something's going on and someone misheard or misremembered something or was Lindel's idol inoperable the entire time and production is just like, it doesn't matter, right? She gets voted out with this. So we're just going to pretend that it was real. I don't know. I'm just left more confused than anything. First of all, why make this grand? Oh my God, we're going to have to swap this idol in plain sight only to then nullify it by episode six. Why is that a thing? Why can't we just keep our idols? Why can't we have them? Yeah. I mean, it's also some akin to like those time titles, right? They're like, you have to play it one of your first two tribal councils. They want big fireworks early on though. I think this cast, especially the Barrett tribe members have shown that tribal council is their playground essentially. They have made like, these aren't live tribal councils, but there is plenty of verb to all four that the majority bear and have attended. Yeah. I will say, Mike, because I admittedly, the way my scheduling is right now, I've not been

13:54able to listen back to a lot of the podcasts. So I've not heard your thoughts extensively, but I've been messing with the travels this season. It's been like the tribal councils have been very fun. You've got fireworks almost every time. Yeah. It's been, you know, interesting personality clashes at the very least. And then you have these, you know, things come out in the woodwork like Harry with the Flint game. Like freaking Keely turning the game upside out over the course of travel. And that's the other thing as well is that going into tribal, there was definitely a majority of me that was like, okay, this faith plan is not happening because we would have seen them talk to Caleb. But then there was also a very considerable part of me that was like, yeah, but look at what Keely just did. You were scoffing at the idea that Keely could make a dawn vote happen. And just over the course of like 30 minutes, she was able to do so. So ye of little faith, trust what happens at tribal council. I don't know if this is like a change in the culture of Australian survivor. If it's this particular cast, I think is a very gamey cast, especially from a newbie perspective.

14:56But it does feel like people are answering more honestly, less Keely. And it is manifesting as well. And people like, I don't know how these people are not clocking the conversations. Yeah, like Mark makes this signal to test. Okay, that's sort of tautious enough. But then he's like leading over to me and Keely be like, yep, I told test who to vote for. I definitely did. I don't know, maybe my purple vision would probably be, you know, out of whack, much like a lot of my bodily senses out there. But surely you have to pay attention at least a little bit to that, right? I feel like I don't. So I've never visited the set, the tribal council set of any season. But to me, it always looks like you're all sitting close enough to each other that you probably hear this stuff unless there's like other noises happening. But also, and I can't imagine your, I feel like my body just on default would be like shifted slightly to the side so I could be a part of everything, not facing David head on.

15:56So how he gets away with this whisper, I don't know. But then I think maybe also you got to factor in the nerves, you got to factor in the worry, you got to factor in, you know, your thoughts are probably going to be loud as well. You're thinking a lot of things at the same time. You're trying to lock it in case David calls upon you to ask something. You don't want to like mess up. Maybe there's other things that go into it. But I feel like they've been very bold this season with talking during the tribal councils. And it's been fun. It's not, it's interesting because I do feel like some people don't like a quote-unquote life tribal. But it's not like the ones we've seen where 17 people get up and have side conversations. Then it's like, okay, let me get this person. It's a lot more. It's like the concept of the result can change here. But we're not doing the most. I feel like the subtlety is what's golden here. Well, let's talk about arguably the biggest moment that's spurred from a live tribal council, which was this dawn vote, which has echoes into definitively the first part of the episode, if not beyond. So we didn't have you on last episode. So give me your related thoughts on that move that Kiely did,

16:58especially now given the hindsight of how Mark received it and perceived it. Well, it's interesting because I do feel like it bumped Mark down a little. But I feel like Mark was flying high. He was on top of the world. And then you very quickly are reminded, oh, you could actively just lose if you get comfortable. And all over again, Deja Vu, another ghost added to the pile. Yeah, the graveyard is singing right now. And so I thought that was very fun. I feel like Kiely correctly identified a move that could benefit her. And I feel like now it's interesting that I feel like she finds herself in a good spot. But also I think faith finds herself in an even better spot where faith's like, okay, you made this power move. Mark is closer to me than ever. You're closer to me and ever. That's probably she was even like this triangle looks more like and it's like a two lines that meet in the middle, not so much a base that's connecting at the bottom. More of an angle than an actual triangle. Exactly, exactly.

17:59And that's perfect. That's perfect for faith to find herself in. I do find it interesting though that Mark didn't think I want revenge. Mark was like, I'm going to have to fall in line for now. And I think that's smart because I do think that when we saw what was going to happen with Harry, a couple episodes ago was a little bit the opposite where Harry was like, it's over for these idiots. I'm dirty Harry's back. So yeah. Yeah, I talked about this a little bit with Shapel yesterday that I just think that's not really Mark as a player. I know he is trying to take on this more dangerous fun type of a moniker. And also, Mark again is trying to curb all the things he felt he did wrong last time. Last time, very similar situation. He loses Viola. He thought he was on top. Now he's at the bottom and he did try to get revenge. He did try to mount a counter campaign against Caroline. And for various factors, it did not end up working out. And him and Caroline were two of the final three. They could never necessarily leave each other side. And so I wonder how much Mark is really putting that aside and saying,

19:01no, no, it's more about the long game, especially because it does seem like Keely and Faith do sincerely want to work with him. That this truly was, okay, not a shot at you, but more so like, let's just remove one of your options. And so it leads to this head office creation. And I was sort of waiting with baited breath the entire episode for like, oh my god, the girls are taking charge again time for me to strike out on my own. But no, it seems like the Alliance is pretty amicable right now. They all sort of come to the same consensus decision. Mark is thrilled because he agrees to Caleb initially. It ends up not being Caleb in the end. And yeah, Faith's in this incredibly interesting position. And that she's sort of the middleman between these two people. We do see Mark and Keely talking, but it seems like we see a lot of scenes predominantly of Faith and Mark and Faith and Keely. When it comes to Keely, I'm so interested to see how she's perceived out there. I'll get the chance to talk with Lindell, maybe some other people from this tribe. We can get a sense of that because Keely has really come into her own

20:04as just this massive power player. And in the beginning of the episode, she's like, I love being a silent assassin. And I'm like, you're not so silent anymore. Like you just sat in the middle of tribal council and made a whole majority blindside happen under the watchful nose of a attorney who just did the exact same thing a week ago. But you hear Blanche on the other tribe talk about like we can't let Mark and Faith go to the merge together. Maybe Mark and Faith are just seen as such a visual pair that Keely has somehow escaped the radar despite all the things we see her do it. Yeah, I think that perception obviously matters more than anything. And sometimes what we see happen in these seasons is that if you are not a power player early on, people will not recognize you as a player that has capabilities like that. And then they're able to like a lot of people are going to see this from the lens of Mark, from the lens of Faith. They're not going to see it from the lens of Keely that Keely did the wheeling and dealing here.

21:05And in the event that she did, it's like a stop cap measure of all right. But let's go back to the main problem and it's these two more than anything. So sometimes you can make a power move because you're not in the power ranking. You're not high up as the main target or the main threat. And your move can seem a little more lateral where you stay in the same spot. It's still Faith season. It's still Mark season, which I think is just a better spot for you to be in any way. Although we'll say this is a resume building move in the sense that you now have a pretty damn strong resume already already. Whatever happens next, you're now ahead of a lot of people. So yeah, I will say one of the other things I immensely joy about Keely and especially Keely and Faith as a duo. These two women are absolutely ruthless, especially when they're in proximity to one another and they're just shooting the shit. Like when you have Keely talking about Faith's like, did we make too epic of a move using like that fun to that 2010s vernacular?

22:05Are we worried we put ourselves out there too much? Keely is like, no, absolutely not. We have all the power. Good luck coming for us. I'll wear your clothes to another challenge. Like they cut hard. And even when Ted does this weird apology to Faith at Faith, it's like, you can write my name down. You're going to be the only one of like, what are these people's relationship to these two that they feel like they have the audacity to talk to them like that? If life imitates, the gaming imitates life sometimes because I do feel like some people can get away with saying some things and then you say the same thing and you are not, it doesn't connect, it doesn't hit the same. Because I do think there's a level of cheekiness that comes with it, at least from where I'm sitting. That I'm like, yeah, that totally can be said. I've said things Leona has said and then I've been told why are you angry? Leona said it and I thought it was pleasant. I don't understand why I'm the angry one. But I do think that it just depends on the person. Yeah. So let's talk about the straw that really starts stirring this delicious drink of this episode.

23:09So Rich and Lindell feel great. They really do feel like they have a new life on this new bounty tribe. And so they say we're going to mess with the old bounty tribe a little bit here. Because we're a little bit in the challenge department. We got rid of one of the best throwers that apparently care of being or users involved throwers that this world has ever seen in Don Roberts. We need a little bit of help here. And so with the coaxing of Mark, Rich is going to put on this performance, communicate this message that does not necessarily get, you know, put into fruition in this episode. But it then leads Keely and Mark to think, what's that too good of a performance? I'm still a little confused as to like, did they not check with them afterwards to make sure they were on the same page? Do you think they did too good of a performance? Puyo versus more so a confirmation bias of like, oh, they're whispering to the other people. That did give me the idea that they might be working with their old tribe after all. Well, I feel like correct me if I'm wrong.

24:11There were two different moments where we see Rich hugging and then talking about throwing the the second hug and lingered. It was a little too long. And I was like, come on, man. This is a little you're being a little too casual with this one. And ultimately it does, you know, credit to him. I guess very convincing job done so much with that. And now he has to actively potentially do it again the next time, which by the way, will not matter. But that is very interesting to me because I do think that when you run a gambit like this, it can be too cute. And this could have been very a little too cute where you're on this tribe. You're saying you feel good. Why are you trying to run a gambit to who are you trying to prove yourself to? You're trying to prove to those people that you need their help. Okay. But then it's just a little too comfortable. They got a little too comfortable, I think. Because if I'm part of the smaller group of people on the swap tribe, I am, you're never going to catch me putting my life on jeopardy to do a performance because

25:14it's a physical lose lose mic. In this situation, you're trying to know things. There's something going on beyond what you have told them. As you have told them you were on the outs. The other side of the coin is that size now like, I didn't like that. He doesn't value our lives. He wants us to sacrifice ourselves for him. We will get him the first chance we get come merch. Why would you want to put yourself in anyone's mouths like that? Yeah, I mean, I think it also depends entirely on the position they had previously. Now, look, it does seem like I'm picking up on something that Simon and Rich may have had before the swap. There's that moment where Simon gets told, Oh, Paul is coming for you and then he pulls Rich aside and tell him what you told me. So maybe there was something going there. But for all intents and purposes and Linda herself expresses it in a surprising moment of self-reflection. She was on the outs of the old bounty. If the old bounty members felt, okay, we're really on the ropes here. We're in the minority and we need to keep as many people as possible.

26:14Then yeah, you definitely want to do this or if you felt, oh my god, like if Laughty was swapped over. Cameron and Asha, there's a good chance they might throw the challenge. If you have a vested interest in someone, you feel like they're good for your game. But hey, these are two people that were presumably on the outs of the tribe, should you go again and be they just kind of showed through the last person they voted that it's not exactly a clean pecking order. Maybe they could create some sort of fabricated story of like, oh, Lindel played her idol. But obviously, when new bounty loses, I'm thinking, okay, one of the two of them is going. When both of them walk back in there, you think, okay, maybe it's not tribal lines. And so maybe we don't need to respect tribal lines either. Exactly. And I do find it interesting now that we know, we know that there's going to be two people leaving. So that's going to change some things out. Because now they'll see Lindel's gone. And now, hey, if you're, if you're rich,

27:17when I'm here, because you might not be around after the cycle. Yeah, so I will also say, though, despite maybe the bad look that Rich had, or maybe the poor idea in concept, which like we've seen it before, right? Again, AJ was almost doing the antagonistic version of it by being like, please, like, not please save me. But more so, like, do you want to save them? You better throw this challenge. The other thing with throwing challenges too, and not to go on too much of a tangent, is like, you also have to have the right people in the right positions, do it. Like, I remember back in brains versus brawn too. I think it was like Matt and Ben, I think they're names where we're like, in a final stage position, they were in the hero role, and like, they purposely decided to sandbag it. It's really tough here. A, when a lot of the tribe was together for a good portion of this challenge. And B, also, when the people who are actively not throwing it, are people like Ben, are people like Brooke? I wouldn't be surprised if Ben could like, run the whole challenge himself,

28:18and win it for his tribe. These people are obviously not incentivized to throw it. You would have to have like Jackson and Simon sit down, and like, have Ben have his hands tied behind his back for them to actively throw it. So I think it would have to be something that nearly everyone gets on board with. And for one reason or another, I think it's just impossible to do. I also think the other part of it is, you have to really trust and believe the people that you've connected with to this point that they would do that for you. I as an ally will never throw a challenge for somebody else because I fear that it would be obvious and I would get punished for it. You can't, it's not, and there's nothing to do with the honor of the game. I don't care about that. But I might not want to put myself in jeopardy. And I think it's a tall order to ask someone to do that unless you're very certain they would consider doing that for you. But even then, then we get to the dilemma you're pointing out, which is logistically is everything going to line up. Can you get the right people in the right spots

29:19to throw it or you're going to be slow in the beginning and then the rest of the team is going to catch up on the puzzle and beat everybody. So it's a tightrope that is very tough to walk. As we talk about the aftermath here, Pooja, maybe I'll throw it a hot take. I do not think the lindal boot was the move that Mark in particular should make. Let me hear you out. Let me hear the more. Well, this is a lot of suppositions on my part. But I feel like Mark and Lindal and Rich had something good going on. Maybe they were more connected to other people was certainly here from Lindal. But at least our access point was Mark doing a lot of liaising with Rich with Lindal. He was the one that was conspiring at them. All where your jacket all throw your hat to you. To me, that seems like a more cogent and valuable relationship for your long-term game than honestly, tens. Now, granted some of this might be in hindsight, maybe they're realizing too much after the fact

30:21that Tez is such an unreliable wild card. But A, he's only one vote instead of two. B, whether or not they are actually telling them to throw the challenge or not, these are people that could have connections. And look, the fact of the matter is, if you're going to like four more tribal councils before the merge, you might find yourself in the minority. And so why not benefit from those connections to the old bounty rather than try to make that line in the sand. And see, there is the issue of the idol. And this is an argument that's been made. I think a lot in the new era, as we've seen people have like public idols that don't get used. I think there is a certain advantage to this idea of like, yes, it's in somebody's possession. But I'd rather know who it's with than assuming, as we saw with Brook this episode, have another one hidden in the jungle. And then really anybody can find it. And so I think in particular for Mark, because he has those relationships, assuming with Rich and with Lindel,

31:22not to say he like completely threw away something with Rich, because who knows, these guys might be yelling at each other in Thai, you know, on the beach tonight after this vote goes down. It does feel like for all the work Mark was putting in to build these new relationships. This is yet another one that this time he had a hand in casting aside. Okay, I've now heard your argument. I think I agree with you, you know, because I do think that for me, and again, like you said, maybe this is we have now, we've seen too much, as in they might not be privy to this. This might be like the feeling Mark has by the end of the episode calling, it has useless, might not have dawned on him till this very moment. But I do think it merits a discussion or a thought exercise of these two are people we could work with. I also think for Mark, remember, Lindel's the one who told Brooke where the idol is. Brooke and Lindel could work together. Lindel could very well move to you and work with you.

32:23I don't think that's a bad argument to make at all, especially if the two of them come together. I think that's not bad. I think also the other side of things is that the very least you can get more information out of them. They are two votes. Ideally, there are two votes that are not used against you, but in the event that these two votes end up deciding, nah man, we were good. Thank you for the help. We're going to go back to our original tribe. You're still probably last in their people. They want to vote from your original tribe anyway. You have plenty of time to figure out what to do later. Whereas I think with Tess, I just the feeling I'm getting from Tess now, is that Tess is a... Again, I don't want to come off like I'm being very mean. Tess has no allies. Therefore, Tess has no pieces to offer you. Tess has no votes to offer you outside of his own. And I think ultimately, Tess is a superfan and superfan sometimes, sometimes. Maybe selfish. As in, they're always going to look out for number one, numero uno. And because they're looking at the game that way, they can very easily be like,

33:24I surrender, leave me alive, take my allies. I don't care, take them all. And I think that for Mark, you don't want to be collateral damage to something like that. I think that there was a lot more opportunity and social game offered with the other two. And I want to go back again to the fact that Brooklyn Lindell have this swap idle connection. I think they're going to link up. I think Rich is now going to be firmly with Lindell coming in. You can firmly come in. That's already four. And you already have your keelies, your fates. That's another couple of pieces. I think Tess could have been the one to leave here. Although, you know what I mean to, okay. And I guess Caleb, can we talk about Caleb? Let's do it. Yeah, because this is a guy who, yeah, was left out of as he mentioned at the beginning of the episode, every single planet. I will say it was a good move on Mark's part, especially from his own personal agenda to be like, let's include Caleb on this one. He'd be so happy to get brought into a plan for the first time in this season. But yeah, give me your thoughts on where he stands right now and how he was included in all this. Caleb's personality gives me wild card.

34:25And then his position in the game gives me the ultimate wild card also. I genuinely don't know where Caleb is going and how he's going to get there. Right now, my mind is still at where Caleb was when he was in that swap tribal and was just going ham. And that's kind of been the way I see him and I just can't unsee that. I also do want to point out something about Mark if I may, to your point originally, because I just remembered it. The fact that Mark is like, we will let, I know Tess is a super fan. I'm not going to tell Tess the plan until we're at tribal council. He should recognize that a super fan would feel very much distressed by that. A super fan would feel not loved by this move. So again, further argument of like, just get rid of them then. Why are you doing all this? Yeah, the test treatment was maybe a self fulfilling prophecy in and of itself. Because yeah, I could feel his frustration emanating from the screen. We're even keely approaches in being like, you tell people it's Caleb. Like she's literally giving him a script.

35:25Say it's Caleb. I'm going to tell you the real name of tribal council. And he's super excited. But obviously it's a major symbol of how they feel you are to their game. Which is like, you could be the last to know. And why is that either you're unimportant or you feel you're going to release too much information or both. And so again, I appreciate the things he's vocalizing in these confessional. His desire to be able to really just turn the game upside down. The issue I think fell to a to your point, Pooja, the people that were left, you know, I think I will say right now, I think it's impossible to get tez and Caleb on the same page from here on out. And I will also say tens. When Richard's asking for a name, just say Caleb. We're at the two of you getting into like a big argument in the background while keely was doing all over whisper work. Last tribal council looks such an easy narrative to throw out. So they were never going to get a four. I feel like sometimes when you're on the bottom, there are votes for pure survival and there are votes to truly upend the hierarchy.

36:28And I think he was trying for the latter. And I think right now he kind of has to try for the former is just to try to ingratiate himself to whoever's giving him the plan. Try to slip in as much as you can possibly do. Yeah, maybe if you go a few more times, that's going to leave you just as the easy next vote. But that's a problem to worry about in a few days. Not right now when you're both simultaneously saying, okay, we're going to make a big move. You say the name first, and I'll probably agree to it. That whole interaction was awkward. Like, because let's say, I feel like we've been scrutinizing test quite a bit for these moves and interactions. I would like to also give Rich equal opportunity scrutinization because Rich being like, it really was like, you know, have you heard this thing of the dry begging that has gone been going on TikTok where it's like people are like, it's like a guy that's restocking a vending machine. And then a person in the background is like, I wish I could have a free bag of chips. Like, I feel like that's what Rich was doing.

37:29Where it's like, you know, I really like, I wish I could have a plan that would work for us that we could do together. Yeah. I really like the name that you said. Like, just be direct. That's the thing. And I think maybe the reason why test felt suspicious is because Rich was seemingly like fishing a name for him. Like, it does maybe come across from a certain perspective. It's like, I'm just waiting for you to say a name and the second you turn your back, I'm taking off like the freaking road runner to that person and telling them what you said. I think so. And I think that that's the other thing. I'm like, test recognizes, hey, these are two people that I could work with. These are this makes our numbers three one more. And it's four and we're really cooking here. But I think the other side of test is worries are, I could also look at this as five and two. And if I say something to these two and they wrap me out, then it's a everyone against me. And that's not going to feel good. That's why but it was so funny. Watching Tesla's mind going, what name should I give them? What would be the good name? And I was like, really? They think there's a great name.

38:29If you have the capital to pull it off and you are going to go all in. But probably the war seemed to have asked for it out there because she's well connected. Very, very much so. So talking about things from Lindel's perspective, was there any out here besides going out? Do you feel like the way the chips were falling throughout that day for the former poker player, Swindle herself? Was there anything her and Rich could do to try to get even just a plurality to save her besides play her idol? I think it's tough. I think for one, not voting test, right? That could have gone somewhere. But I think I would like to find out ultimately if it was a tie between Caleb and Lindel, who's going home? Is it going to be Lindel? I think it's going to be Lindel. I think that's the issue is that those five people were locked in on going after the old bounty members. I think the only work you would have to do would be to like due to Caleb and maybe grab one more person

39:33like a Sally to vote for test. That's the other thing too. And that's why I really have to commend, you know, the home office or the head office is that like, I know as much as Mark is begrudgingly having Sally as this vestigial fourth member, like that is the majority, especially right now with seven people. Like that is so key. That is a block that nobody can really work around. And I'll also give Kudos to, you know, Keely for what she did here, and that I really do feel like in getting rid of Dawn, now it is kind of like the three of them, Sally on the side, and then all of these disconnected islands. And we saw firsthand in this episode how difficult it was for them to try to mobilize anything against them. Hey, island, if you're, if you want an island hop, that's a fun vacation plan. So if you're a part of the home office, you're taking the summer off, why not island hop? And I do think that's a great way to put it, because I think that when you have the head office, you need someone who's monitoring the halls, you know, make sure that everything's quiet

40:35so we can have our little meetings. And then everyone else is just going to have one-on-one office hours later with us. That's perfectly fine. I think that gives you a lot of control. You know what's funny? I forgot Sally's in this tribe. I'm not going to lie to you. And I washed up as a today. I was ready to talk about it. Sally's name has not come up to 40 minutes on this pod. And I think that that is not a bad spot for Sally to be with so much game left to be played. Yeah, and it's weird because like, Faith and Keeley a couple episodes ago, we're almost doing with Sally, what Rich was doing with Tesla a little bit, which was like, I have a name in my head, but why don't you say a name first? And we'll see if we agree. But obviously, I think Faith and Keeley have a lot more faith, quite literally, in Sally. I mean, what's going to be interesting is when, not if the two of them, and specifically, Faith have to decide between the three wise women or the head office. It's, Tesla would consider it a first world problem, right? Oh, no, I'm into majority trios. Which one do I pick? But I don't know, Pooey. I feel like we're getting so much about, you know,

41:35the Ruby Soho of it all since the very beginning. At this moment, who do you think Faith in particular would choose out of these two trios to move forward with? Oh, my God. Can I be honest, whichever one messes up first is going to be left behind? I think that's kind of where Faith is in. As long as both sides are not aiming at her, and she can convince both sides to vote other people, she's going to ride this out. I don't think she's going to need to make a decision until crunch time, until someone is, until basically, let's put her this way. If there is suddenly, suddenly, she's on the outs and there is a majority being like, we're looking at Mark. I think that's when she's like, all right, I'm all in with Keeley, got it. That's what I'm going to take from that. I don't think she necessarily makes a pick. Do you see her being in a position where she's going to be choosing, or do you see the scales tipping in one direction currently, even? I think her and Keeley are the most locked in alliance. I would wager maybe even in this whole game, because you could say, oh, maybe Lion Asha, but as we're saying, Laudie and Asha

42:36are still quite disparate. We'll talk about that in a little bit. It's just we've seen so much of the two of them together pretty much since the first tribal council. And again, it's so intriguing to me because the narrative from the beginning was Mark and Faith, Mark and Faith. But I don't know. I feel like the tone that those scenes are taking on from now on is a little bit of like, giving someone a hug and then rolling your eyes behind their back. Not to say like she's so incredibly dismissive of a mark, but we have not seen a word of Faith talking about, okay, Keeley's gotten to break for her bridges. Look at what she just did. Now I got to cut her down. It has only been about Mark. And so I feel like for various reasons and also maybe feeling like Keeley shares the same connections that she does, she would be more likely to turn on Mark at this point than Keeley. Your little one grew three inches overnight, adorable. Also expensive. Sell their pint-sized pieces on D-Pop and list them in minutes with no selling fees.

43:37Because somewhere, a dad refuses to pay full price of the clothes his kid will outgrow tomorrow. And he's ready to buy your son's entire wardrobe right now. Consider your future growthspurt budget secured. Start selling on D-Pop, where taste recognizes taste. Payment processing fees and boosting fees still apply. See website for details. I do think, and I think this is worth noting also, is that it seems like Mark's game, but specifically the returnies have had so much eyes on them this season from every competitor. I think it's very obvious that Mark is triple dipping. Mark is putting the fingers right back in the dipping bowl every time. He has all these allies and he has all these connections. And I think that that can almost make you feel even more comfort in, okay, well, this person, I know we're number one. It's like, I think she probably sees like Mark, yeah, Mark sees me as a number one, but it's like Mark has like two other number ones he can have at any given time. I don't love that. Yeah, especially less threatening number one.

44:37So you know, like who knows the conversations that he's having with Caleb? Maybe that's someone that's easier to take to the end. So we need to look ahead to what's happening tomorrow. We haven't confirmed that it is going to be a double tribal council. It's interesting that you mentioned two people are going home for you because I do not think that's the case. I mean, we haven't had a non-alim yet. We haven't had a non, I think what's going to happen. And maybe I'm just paying too much attention to David's going down in flames and agmatic comment at the end of the preview. Oh, no, I think we're getting what we got straight out of all stars. Brooke herself is going to be having flashbacks where I think each tribe is going to vote somebody out and they're going to compete in a fire making challenge against each other. We've seen various versions of this happen subsequently, but this is like the biggest original version we've seen of it. And I think it's going to rear its ugly head again. Wow, I can't believe I am more upset at the prospect of the fire making than losing two people.

45:40It's weird because this schedule is a little unknown right now because we know it's one less day that could theoretically mean one less done elimination episode. We don't know if it's going for 24 episodes. And so we don't know how many people they need to get rid of every episode. As far as I remember, Australian survivor has never done a purpose like, let's vote two people out in one episode. Maybe they've lost two people in an episode due to medevacs or quits, but otherwise they are all about stretching out that time. And I think there also is something fun that they like to do. This is maybe an advantage of the non-aluminations is like there is something interesting if I'll be in a bit unfair about like, oh, you got voted out by your tribe, but you're still in the gate, right? You feel like there's a literal redemption story built in there. Like you were rejected by your tribe, but now you're back. Will you get revenge? Will you find inroads or are you going right back out the door? There's a reason why we see all these bybacks happen in these seasons. So that's what I'm going to believe. I do not think we're getting two boots here. I don't know if the two people who are voted out

46:41will face off in fire making exactly, but I do feel like only one of them is going to go. I mean, nothing spells redemption quite. Like you got voted out, you made fire. Here's your redemption try again. Yeah, exactly. So let's look ahead then forecasting to what might be going on with these tribes, Mara. And we'll stick with New Bounty right now because they are top of mine. So unfortunately, we know that they are going right back to tribal council. The third time in a row, the fourth time in a row for the majority of them if you count old Baron. So what do you think is happening? Obviously rich and tez were left out of the vote here. Do you think they're just one of the easy offerings provided one of them doesn't win immunity? Or do you think something could stir to cause another target to emerge? Now, I have two things for you before I can answer this question, Mike. Question number one is remind me in all stars, were they informed that this up, the vote they were about to get up and do was going to be for someone making fire?

47:42No, they were not, but what should be noted is that we have people including one particular person who experienced that before. So that could be an interesting tactic of, if they're trying to big bring this or even tez like these other super fans rich that are like, okay, we have a feeling this is what it might be and there might be an argument to like, oh, we're going to send our champion into fire. We're not voting you out because we actually want to send you out. We're voting you out so that you can take down the other person and come right back to us. I just, that's such the LaWon thinking though for the non big brother fans that is a, basically someone who was like, vote me out because I get powers. I just feel like don't ever do that. That's wild, but I could also see some validity to that because I do think that my second question was going to be, do you think the players are going to discuss that? And it sounds like historically on Australian survivor, we don't get a lot of this. We don't get a lot of, do whatever you're leaving tonight. We don't do that. So I think it does lend itself to think about, well, that's kind of what happened historically. So what that being said, I do think that my instincts

48:46is that it looks like it's between tez and rich, right? There is an individual immunity still at hand. Yes. If they do not win individual me, there's seven people on that tribe now, correct? So they can't even do a, they can't even do a tide vote and then a revote. So I think a four to three could happen. They could end up splitting it, assuming those two go on each other. Right. My instinct is going to say, I don't think it's rich, I think it's tez. Yeah, I could potentially see that where, again, there's all these sort of like, with the exception of Harry and Paula, these half measures taken of like, we voted out this one person, but kept their closest ally in, or we moved on to somebody else. And I just feel like tez kind of pissed off the people who are in power as of this last episode. And he does not have the advantage of time to have somebody else screw up, assumingly, the only other situation I could see

49:48would be like, if Mark decides now is the time for him to strike at Sally, but even then, so he could get what himself Caleb tez, who again, I don't think could be on the same page at this point and rich. And that's it, the four guys would get together. I think that's the only move that could possibly be made. I don't think that's Keely or Faith want to break up the home office, head office, yet keep saying home office, I think in a home box office. I don't think that they also want to break up the three wise women if they can help it. So again, even more so, these are really narrow numbers if you're somebody on the bottom. So if I'm a tez or a rich, I think the ML would just be try to throw the other person under the bus. Yeah, I think that again, the whole fact that everyone else is on a bit of an island does make it very hard to wrangle those numbers, those loose numbers and make it a collective. So I think that if you're rich, you're like,

50:49nope, tez growing on that bus. And I think tez is going to do the exact same thing. Now, why I think that tez is going to be the one to go is that rich will say, hey, he's the one who said Faith's name. He tried to make us vote for the way that we didn't do that. We didn't budge. Yeah, that's also very true. Even though, again, he was very much applied for it. We had to torture the information out of it, but he said Faith's name. Well, let's move into the more unknown scenario here. And I'll even bring up the new baron graphic that I brought up yesterday. So you can have a freaking reminder, S2 is on this try because they are guaranteed to go to tribal council. Their respite, their time away has now finally ended. And so the situation for those that don't remember is we have six people from the Old Bounty, which is Asha, Cameron, Lottie, Simon, Jackson, Laws. And then we have the three bees from baron in Ben, Blanche, and Brooke. So the big development we've really seen so far, Pooja, is that Blanche has pretty much left old baron behind.

51:50She's staying on the same beach, but pretty much she feels like this is her true tribe. They asked her to notch the log, to literally notch the bedpost of their shelter. That means a lot to her. And she's also moved forward with just outing all the old baron dynamics to Asha, says she's not gonna let Ben or Brooke know anything that she's doing. So she's essentially joined this group, but the other wrinkle is, look, you can bemoan Brooke increasingly so, depending on the information given for what she did with that idol, the more I get away from it and the more information I find out, the more I'm like, I don't know about those three cheesy points, I gave her episode six, but regardless, I guess it didn't matter because now she has an idol. And so do you think Pooja, it's going to be as simple as people pile their votes onto Brooke and she plays her idol? Or do you think, given especially the tease of like a possible schism between Lottie and Asha, something else could be a foot?

52:52So what we've seen is that it doesn't take much for people to be like, you know what, no, let's just switch it up. Let's, you know, we were gonna go Brooke. Brooke is still a big target ahead of her another day. That's fine, we can look at her later. Let's switch up. I can absolutely see that. However, I just feel like we're about to get like the biggest broke episode of the season because I think this double, I think the foreshadowing, I think the redemption, the storylines too strong, the plot. This is an unscripted show. This will feel like a very scripted episode for me because I just envision Brooke being safe using that idol to not end up in this situation and basically deciding hand picking the candidate will be going into the fire. Yeah, though I guess the question would be if the six old bounty do have Brooke on their side, they could split it to get someone like Ben out. The question is, do they want someone like Ben out? Like I know Rich had whispered over to Sime and hey, you've got some big people on your side as well that you want to get out before the merge,

53:54but I feel like Ben is just relatively harmless. Not when David Janay says go, but otherwise outside of that, he's making like guy Sebastian jokes. I do not necessarily think strategy is something you need to necessarily worry about, especially with Johnson, God, it feels like he's a little unfettered. I don't know, is there a chance that like people might throw some votes onto Blanche? Maybe like a last in first out type of thing. I mean, I don't know. I feel like knowing the player that Lottie is, I wonder if she does take the opportunity to jump onto something here. I don't think it would be the right move whatsoever, but if she feels like there are greener pastors with the former green members, maybe her assignment, especially if Simon wants to work with Brooke, could try to make something happen. Yeah, I could see that it's so interesting, because I like both scenarios we've like talked about and put out there now. However, then I think about, well, what if they are informed?

54:54What is going to happen? What if they are informed? And this is all obviously we're going off of it. We're not even for sure that this is what's going to happen. Right. But if that is what's going to happen and David does mention that, I think that changes everything. I, because then we could talk about the motivation that are we sending a champion? Are we sending someone different? Do we want to try and vote somebody else here? Who knows? But I'm very, very good, feeling very good about the picks we've made here today. All right. Well, the last thing I want to do, who is memorialize our Fallen Comrade in this episode, because this was a weird way to lose Lindel. I feel like Lindel was such a big character from the beginning when she ran to that post and found that note when she kicked off this entire idol extravaganza. There was the fantastic running bit where someone would go to her and tell her correctly. She was on the bottom and she would rebuff them and try to get them voted out. So again, it's odd to see her not kind of go out in a blaze of glory, though I guess there is a fun hint of irony of like,

55:57yet again, Lindel feels like she's on the top and this one time she does not have someone telling her she's on the bottom and that's the time she truly is blindsided. Yeah. Lindel, I mean, I remember being on the pod with Shannon and Shannon being like plot armor, plot armor. I feel like Lindel's not going in for the long haul. I was like, I don't, listen, Lindel's doing, like it's a tough spot to be in right now. That being said, this episode was a bit of a blind side to me because I just didn't see Lindel leaving because I felt like we were so focused on the test of it all and the Caleb and the Rich. Lindel was like the fourth or fifth person who was really discussed as a person to go here. I mean, obviously her name was out there. I just didn't feel like we saw enough of her for her to be such a big character. The first eight episodes of the season and then to leave in this fashion. I was left surprised. Yeah. I mean, this season has been really interesting in that I do feel like especially the past few episodes. The first week was a little bit more like, okay, we'll introduce this person and eliminate them

56:59in the, you know, especially what we saw with like cat and Eliza, they had their moments and then they disappeared. But last week grew, you know, between Harry Johnson Dawn and now Lindel, we are kind of getting rid of a lot of these big presences and look, maybe that's the reason why it's a bit of tail wagging the dog of like they're getting a big edit because we're only gonna get eight episodes of them. But I kind of left myself wanting more of that classic Lindel delusion. That said, I'm very excited to talk with her because I need to get into her head as to why she did have so much belief or disbelief. I should say in the things that people were bringing her that she decided to turn on them, you know, I think Harry and Paula have spoken about the fact that like they felt they couldn't really strategize with Lindel that it was kind of a tough block to get around. So Lindel's been such an intriguing perspective that A, I'm excited to find out more about and B, again, just makes this sort of like sudden departure all the more shocking.

57:59Yeah, I'm very sad to lose Lindel. I feel like I would have loved to see what it would have looked like for Lindel to be in a more emerged scenario with everybody on the same beach. Also, not that it ever matters more than the game itself, but I did lose my first player in the draft. Well, must be nice to be you. Yeah, my combined, we might make a whole draft team. Based on where you are. All right, well, let's look at the people who are still in the game. Shall we as we get to the cheesy for this episode? Take it away, Jacob Singer, Weinstein and MC Kala. Two, three. One, two, three, four, three, four. Alright, I feel like we centered a lot of conversation around a few names for better or for worse. Was that reflective in your points today? I do believe so, Mr. Bloom, I feel like that was weird to say, I didn't like that. I don't like you're Mike Bloom. Anyway, Mr. Bloom's my father.

58:59Anyway, Mr. Bloom is my father. There you go. I think that it doesn't make sense to give anyone else the three points besides faith. And here's why. How interesting. Yeah, I think that faith, like yes, faith's name does come up. Yes, someone said faith's name. I just feel like it was someone who immediately basically ratted themselves out, regretted, it gave you more ammunition to use against them later. To do split these other two people on this other side. You have two people very much in your top two who are not looking to be closer to each other than they are to you. You're in a great spot there, Sally's still there, great spot for you there as well. I just have faith in faith right now. And I think that that's really what it is because you know, for all we know, mark the size next episode. Nope. Now I might, I might try and bring all the islands together to get rid of Keely or get rid of Sally.

1:00:00Yeah, I'm going to get rid of faith and all the other side, Sally and or Keely want to get rid of Mark. They're all going to get rid of faith. And faith still has all the remaining people in that group to bounce back from. I think that that is huge for me. And again, I think Tez is too petrified to ever talk about faith's name again, just based on the way he delivered that message to her. That is interesting. Okay. Give me your other ones. Okay. We got twos and we got ones and by plural, I mean singular. I don't know where I want to go for my twos and ones because I feel like it's, it feels like a bit of a wash to just be like, all right, and Keely gets the two and Sally gets the one. How interesting. Because I do think that I wanted to give Mark some of those points, but I think after you pointed out that maybe Lindel wasn't the best choice for Mark and, and you know, he does, you know, Lindel leaves riches now on an island has this kind of quote unquote useless

1:01:00to him. I worry a little bit for Mark here, moving forward. Then I do for Sally, who was basically told, not told, Sally was brought into the home office to be like, hey, we're making sure that our girl is covered here as well. I mean, while she was relatively invisible in the episode, I think Sally benefits from being brought into the fold and she could have easily been another island piece on this tribe and she is not. She might be one of the more bottom wrong pieces, but not even that bottom wrong because she's in a whole other alliance that got a three going. So I give Sally the one that leaves Keely with the two because he, you know, and I think you brought this up also when we were talking about it, potentially not being looked at as the main threat here, which I think is huge after a power move, like taking out Don Roberts, I think massive. So that's kind of where I'm landing. I don't know.

1:02:01I feel like do we have similar thoughts on some or we're very nasty different. We're a little different here. You're going three wise women. I'm going to go head office here. Okay. Now I'm going to give the three to Keely, I think because I think from what we saw in the episode, Keely was the one to put forward the Lindel idea. She was the one who after the challenge was like, I don't like that whispering that was going on and granted again, I think it was ill-founded, but if I'm also sort of doing a bit of process of elimination, I was like, okay, Tess, again, love you, buddy, love the energy, not a great episode for you. Rich and Lindel get left out, Caleb just kind of gets brought along and is still relatively left in the dark. And Sally, I think you do make a good point in terms of like positionality, but that's not necessarily what I give cheesy points for. I'm also of like a, what have you done in the moment? And so I do think that Keely had this plan, whether, you know, you agree with it or not, and she put it forward and she was able to make it happen to the point where there was that montage where her and Mark and Faith agree, okay, it's going to be split between

1:03:04Lindel and Rich, we bring in Sally, we bring in Caleb. The person they showed specifically telling that plan to those people was Keely. Keely, maybe Loki has these connections to these more satellite individuals that we don't necessarily realize. I think that the move was worse for Mark than it was for her. I think it was still maybe, I still think Tess would have probably been the better thing unless she feels like she has a relationship with Tess that she does it with Lindel and Rich. So I'm going to give her the three because yet again, she decides who goes here and was able to have it play out with a plum was able to keep Mark seemingly on her side as well after planning this big move single handedly. I'm really fighting the urge to not fall on my own thoughts and switch up some points. What are your two's and ones before I say anything else? I'm really between the two and the one as well where I think Mark did more in the boot.

1:04:06He was the one that suggested that they split the votes that they tell Mark and Rich and Lindel to split the votes. But I feel like of the three, this was the move that was the worst for him as compared to getting someone out like Tess. I think I'm going to give, I'm going to give Faith the two because I do think it wasn't like she did nothing. I do think that her purposefully kind of making this head office a thing was really setting herself up in a great position to be like, I mean, we sort of see who you have the possibility of an onion forming here where it's like, okay, these are the five barren people, Sands, Tess and Rich. And then within that five is a three and it could be the three wise women or it could be the three head office. And then the three wise women, the two within the three are Keelian Faith. And then in the head office, Faith can really pick whatever two she wants to there. And so I think she is really well set up. And I think the fact that Tess, yes, very lightly through her name out, but the fact that

1:05:07it got shot down so quickly does speak to where she is in this game, yes, it is very fun to have her glow to his face, try to vote for me, see what happens. You'll be the only vote against me. But like, it's true at this point. Again, Mark, I was debating giving the two to, I think I'll stick with the one. For now, because he did do the work and I do think he made the right decision as I thought he would in not immediately blowing up and trying to turn things on to people. He's trying to play the long game, but I just feel like the decision to go for Lindel rather than someone like Tess or even Caleb kind of falls at his feet. And I feel like the benefits of keeping Lindel maybe outweighed the cost here. I like your points, I do, I, I think I really respect the way you explained it. And I think that one thing that I want to almost backtrack is to say that I think it is a

1:06:07plus one for Keeley, the fact that I just said she might not be looked at as the head of the snake. That's good. Faith would be that person. So should I just flip the two and give Keeley the three and give Faith the two, but then Shannon's not here. I feel like if Shannon was here, she'd tell me to back what I've already said. Yeah, listen, I'm not pressing any sort of judgment here. Of course. Of course. You do what you want to do. These are your points. They've been abdicated to you. They will not be taken from you. At least not by me. Did you buy Shannon retroactively? Wait, you know, I forgot about that. Shannon's going to be listening to this. I just throw caution. The winning give a one to somebody else just completely, no, I don't want to piss her off. She's happy right now. Let's keep Shannon happy. Yeah, please. I'm locking my votes in. I'm locking my points in. Okay. Very interesting that again, we have these two trio sort of at the head of new baron here. You honor one. I honor the other one. And we shall see which one wins out. It might come to fruition tomorrow and might come to fruition down the line.

1:07:11But either way tomorrow will certainly be a jam packed episode. We're going to get an individual immunity challenge. We're going to get two tribal councils and we'll seemingly get either two boots or a fire making challenge to determine whose game will literally go down in flames to close out week three of Australian survivor Red Dems should put you how you feeling about this so far. Now there were a couple of votes into the post swap. I've been loving it. I've actually been loving it. I feel like, you know, two seasons ago, I said that I watched my favorite season of all time in times versus rebels. And so you think that after that, everything else would be compared to that and make me feel lesser about the other seasons. I've had a good time covering last season. I'm having a good time covering this season. Nothing's changed. I feel like despite getting three episodes a week, I never feel overwhelmed with Australian survivor. I feel like it back to me in like a couple of weeks, maybe the middle. I might feel a little fatigued. Who knows? Especially with all those other shows that are happening. It's been fun. I watched them in the morning while I'm having my coffee.

1:08:11I can't complain Mike. I'm very blessed to be able to talk about it with you. I completely agree. So make sure you stay tuned to everything we've got going on. We know global survivor dot com. The plan is that tomorrow, I'll be joined yet again by another alumni from the community to talk all about what's to come in the double tribal council. Perhaps what's to come in. Assuming Lee, the last few episodes before we hit the next phase of the game in the merge, but so far, it's been fun to just sort of sit ourselves down and be able to talk through all of the options as all of these people did basically in this episode. Thank you all as always so much for listening until tomorrow, everybody. Take care. Bye bye.