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1:22Coach Boone punching a whiteboard arch screaming into the camera. That means we're ready to go live here at On Texas Football. Welcome to the Tuesday Night Live Stream here at On Texas Football. I'm Jeff Aljoy. And as always, every Tuesday night, right at 7 o'clock by CJ Vogel, CJ Work at Hard, Covering the Long Horns on all fronts, specifically football and recruiting. Thanks, everybody, for hanging out. If you're hanging out with us, we'll take your questions, comments, concerns, complaints, anything you got. We'll take it. We'll discuss it. Superchats, as always, jump to the front line. Hey, Sandman is here at the start of the show. And that's the first, so congratulations, Sandman. You get the done good award for tonight. So congratulations. Which can easily be taken away. Very easily. Yes, CJ reserves the right to script that award. Yes. Yes. Make sure you're on your P's and Q, Sandman. So you guys have baseball real quick. Texas making the annual trip, probably about 10 minutes from where I'm standing right now. Over at Bobcat Ballpark on the Texas State campus.

2:23Two nil, Texas lead, had an Adrian Rodriguez, RBI single, and Casey Bourbon walked with the bases loaded to bring in a run. Sam Khozart doing a pretty good job on the bump through three. Any thoughts? CJ on this. This is turned into one hell of a baseball series between Texas and Texas State. I think you even might have mentioned it in our game thread over on Texas football.com. Like, hey, Texas is up to nothing, but like this. This is going to go nine innings. This thing's going the distance. Yeah, absolutely will, especially. I mean, I'm sure you watched it first couple of innings earlier today, Jeff. I know folks who before tuning into this episode of on Texas football were watching some of this. You see the wind blowing straight out the left field. I know it's only two nothing right now, but look, I bet some runs are scored. I bet some balls are hit deep and look, I know Sam Khozart's looking good, but that Texas defense is looking pretty good as well. Kim Obasera had a fantastic relay from right field to gun the lead off batter for Texas

3:24State out at third base. So look, this is a game. Texas probably should win, given the start to the season, the talent that they have at the moment. But you just never know, right? This game, and I know you have a lot of memories of Tuesday and Wednesday nights with Texas State and Texas Jeff, but my goodness, it could go either way at any point. I just want to make sure the police blotter is as limited as possible. No, long-wind fans behave yourselves in Hayes County and later this year in Travis County Bobcat fans. You do the same. Sam and Funfak, George Strait was a Texas State Bobcat. Texas State has three, they're a third of the way to one hell of a Mount Rushmore. If you say they're George Strait, you got the King of Country music. We got Sean Michaels, maybe the greatest in-ring professional wrestler that ever lived. Got Lyndon Baines Johnson, CJ, got a president on your Mount Rushmore, and I don't know who's in the fourth spot. So, Sam and we're not going to put that name on the screen. She usually does get mentioned for the fourth spot.

4:24I'm vetoing that a thousand times veto, veto, veto. So come up with a better fourth for Texas State, but CJ, University of Texas, you have to hunt, really make some pretty hard cuts to come up with a University of Texas Mount Rushmore. And then the Texas State Mount Rushmore, at least three of the four spots are pretty cut and dry. Yeah, I think so. I mean, Jeff, we just gave Sandman a good noodle store to start the show, and we're not even four minutes in, and I'm sitting here thinking about do I need to take it away, so... Three minutes to lose it. Yeah, so we'll maybe let that one slide. But no, you're right about Texas. I mean, there's so many options, and specifically football wise, and you just go on with the entrepreneurial side. No, I can't even think where I would start, you know. How do you like for a Texas baseball Mount Rushmore, where you can legitimately argue Roger

5:27Clemens was not the greatest number 21 in school history? Because if you look at the collegiate resume, Greg Swindell had a much more notable, distinguished, longer college career that Roger Clemens did. Which is crazy. It's something that, when you think of Roger Clemens, you think of one of the greatest ever to it, right? And maybe not wearing 21, though. No, and as a matter of fact, not only is his number retired at Dishwalk, you go under that pitching lab, that is the Roger Clemens family pitching lab down in the Player Development Center at UT pitching, changing Sam Marcus, do you have an update, Casey Borbath, three run bomb. So Texas up five, nothing top of the third. CJ, we're heating up Jeff. Yeah, I was going to say, we'll get back to, we'll get the football here in just a minute. But, you know, Casey Borbath struggled. It was one of those deals. If you looked at his ABs, though, when the production wasn't there, it just felt like he was due. He was hitting them all hard, but right at people, it's not like it was a bunch of three-pitch

6:28strikeouts. And he just looked lost. It's like, okay. He wants to do it. It's just he needs some things to go his way and things are really starting to go his way. Some of the same stuff for Carson Tinney, and he's a proven college hitter, like he's going to hit better than the 260 he's at right now, does have a base hit tonight, plus he's already reached base with a walk, so two times to the plate, two times Carson Tinney has reached base. So that's going to see. Jonah Williams, not in the lineup tonight, didn't know what that, yeah, I don't know. Do we want to call it a shoulder issue? Shoulder concern for Jonah, because it isn't very shoulder that he previously injured, and he injured it. I just lost that. I don't even want to say injured. That's me putting words just lost his mouth. I think Shloss had banged it up a little bit, diving for a fly ball in the outfield Friday night against USC upstate. So I don't know how we want to classify this, Jonah Williams, but he's not in the lineup once again. Yeah. I mean, I guess we'll see with Jonah. I'm kind of, I never wanted to get to this point, Jeff, and I think this is the first

7:30time I've ever vocalized it. So folks that are watching your, you're getting some brand new, formed opinion from me. I think it's about time. I think it's about time for you. Really? I do. Pick one. I mean, you don't see him at all on the gridiron last year, obviously, he was dinged up this year. He's dinged up again. It's just one of those things where if you were going to be the athlete that you want to be in college, it's probably time, right? I think it's around that time to put yourself in a position to prioritize one sport or the other, whichever one that might be. I just, my, and I didn't want to call it a concern, but I, you know, from a strength conditioning standpoint, that's one thing I have looked at CJ when you do two sports. I would assume if you're an outfielder and baseball and you're a safety and football, you're, you're strength training regimens, probably going to be pretty different for

8:32those two positions. I don't know if there's a ton of overlap there. I'm not that well versed in strength conditioning to know any different, but I would imagine, you know, football, you may want to be wound a little tighter, have a little more armor on you. Baseball, I probably want to be a little leaner, a little more flexible. I don't know if one's necessarily good for the other or bad for the other. Here's where I come out on the Jonah thing. I haven't been too worried about it because at some point, he's going to have to pick one. I just think that's, you know, that's the, and the reason why I keep saying that CJ, I think ultimately in the NIL world that we're in, that dollar figure may make the decision for him. That's true. That's true. And this episode of on Texas football is brought to you by progressive insurance, fiscally responsible, financial geniuses, monetary magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to progressive and save hundreds because progressive offers discounts for paying in full owning a home and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it, so your

9:35dollar goes a long way. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, the potential savings will vary, not available in all states or situations. What's funny, you know, you get to the top of your game in baseball, you probably make more money. You know, if you get to the very top of the NLB, is that likely? I don't know, right? John is a heck of an athlete, but baseball is pretty darn tough to send all the way up. And college and the immediate dollar figure, I'm sure football could give you something that we can probably trump that of the baseball side of things, right? We know what football is dealing with and some of the figures that are tossed out to us, comparatively, to that of baseball, it would make sense to pick football, but then you got to think about your body and where the longevity is and knowing some of the history with John. I don't know. I don't know what he would pick. I don't know either, you know, one thing that he has in his corner that not a lot of people in his corner might have in his situation might have, you know, his brother did play

10:37pro baseball. So brother can at least tell him, hey, you know, if you decide to go to the pro baseball route, it's going to be like, you know, being on the bus, going to, you know, podunk towns and the minors and pan your clubhouse do's and having to do it the hard way. So there's that part of it. You know, I think from a time frame standpoint, and I don't want to rush it with Jonah, but or make people feel like, hey, this is like the drop dead date. He's draft eligible next year in baseball, like next summer, he's eligible for the draft. So, you know, at that point, it's like you, you made the decisions made before then, or maybe he plays baseball and then decides, I've just got to think Schloss and Sark, both of them want as much clarity as quickly as possible. So they, neither one of them gets themselves in a bind from roster construction standpoint. That I totally agree. And, you know, you also put yourself into the conversation of, you know, for, for Jonah

11:41specifically, it just doesn't make sense to continue to be not a, he's too special of a talent to not have his presence felt, Jeff. And one way or the other, it's going to look back and say, okay, I'd like to have not seen him on the sideline or in the dugout for an entirety of a season knowing how talented that he is. And that's where I'm really falling in. So I got to strike a little bit. Max Crosby's back on the market, that trade was rescinded because of a, a failed physical. So. Yeah. Don's one of them. Yeah. So yeah, big news in the NFL. Actually, we've got it in. I feel no here. Just think, but Brian, thank you for chiming in on this. So the problem with strength training for football and baseball is that overhead athletes can't really lift heavy overhead, but with football workouts, overhead pushes are important. 100% you're sprinkling in the shoulders, the traps, the neck, all that, especially when you're dealing with a collision sport like football, you want to make sure all that stuff is in order. You probably don't want to be too bulky up there. We're not talking about like mid 90s Albert Bell. Like you don't want to be wound on that tight playing baseball.

12:41So you know, a little bit, you just got to, got to take back a little bit. I, I just remember from the last dance, Tim Grover, Michael Jordan's trainer talking about, you know, from going from baseball to basketball, the muscle groups you're working and the training is completely different from baseball, as opposed to going to basketball. I would imagine there's probably some differences between football and baseball training, some Brian. Thank you for pointing that out. CJ Doug mentioned the football note I wanted to get to and as it relates to the NFL, PJ Locke, one year deal with the Cowboys, you know, he is a part of that 2015 recruiting class that I've talked about a few times on the show, this off season, Bermets, Charles Menohu, Chris Boyd, Connor Williams, Malik Jefferson, that class, PJ Locke was in that class. He was a late flip from Oregon, really productive player at Texas, you know, he was, PJ Locke was the guy that, you know, really kind of made me see what playing the nickel positions. CJ was all about. He said, hey, the nickels, and I asked him from the, the Rod was the one who didn't, because

13:45Rod played nickel at Texas, Rod had to play nickel at Texas, though, like against the Braske. He's having the feather of the option and deal with like full back set also. It was a different, it's a different time. But I approached PJ with the question of phrase like that, and he said, it is tough. He said, because on one down, one snap, you're covering the guy in a slot who may be their best receiver, maybe their fastest receiver, he's got a two way go. So you got to be really good in coverage. He said, the very next play, you might have to set the edge and you're taking on a 300 plus pound pulling guard. So he's like, yeah, it is really tough to play. So I admired PJ Locke during his career. CJ has carved out a really nice career for himself, the hard way, undrafted free agent, caught on with the Steelers, cut by the Steelers. I think he went straight from Pittsburgh, got cut there and has been in Denver ever since and now coming back to Texas on a one year deal with the Cowboys. Good for PJ Locke. Yeah, I'll tell you what, PJ Locke cannot be worse than what the Cowboys put in the secondary a year ago. So I'm excited, you know, get another longhorn to join the Marvionne overshown, Jaden

14:48Blue up there in Arlington. So that'll be exciting. That'll be fun to watch because I know there's no better way that I love spending my Sunday afternoon than in an airport watching the Cowboys get 50 bomb by whoever's in there. So if you do, do what I do, CJ, as a, as a long suffering now Cowboys fan, like the bar is pretty much in Hades for me. So I just set that thing so low that I just I'm pleasantly surprised when things are going well. And when things are bad, which inevitably they do get bad, I don't get that down on myself anymore. The, the, the, the playoff loss, not this last playoff loss to Green Bay, the, the Jordan love, you know, whatever that was, it was going to be whatever the Packer decided. Remember the Aaron Rogers, Jared Cook, like the desperation throw. That was the one where I was like, you know what, I think, I think I think I've accepted the fate. And this is just kind of where it is as a Cowboys fan. This is. Yeah, no producer Matthews laugh and he's chuckling.

15:49He's giggling. This is what you got to move on. Like I would rather I'd rather be a Cowboys fan and be in misery than spend one minute rooting for the Philadelphia Eagles. So that should just be what right now we'll, we'll get back to football here in just a second. But we want to thank our lead sponsor for the Tuesday night live stream here on Texas football on shout out to Andy Luticki and my perfect franchise. Are you stuck in the corporate rat race with two weeks PTO and no control over the money you can make or your schedule in general? If that's you, give Andy a call. He's going to take you through a process to help you find a business that's going to fit your skillsets and your financial goals, franchise ownership isn't for everybody. But if you've got a desire to take control of your destiny, call Andy your email him at Andy at my perfect franchise dot net again, that's Andy at my perfect franchise dot net. We want to thank Andy Luticki and my perfect franchise for sponsoring the Tuesday night live stream here on Texas football. So you just get to a couple of questions. There's a topic I wanted to get to and we'll get to it here in just a minute. But I do want to knock out a couple of questions Roger says when full pads are on and we see

16:49who gets first team reps, does that mean anything sure it means something. But you know, this is a spring practice is one stage in a multi stage process to get you to the season and you know, CJ really it's not going to be pretty much until that second fall scrimmage that second scrimmage in August. After that, whenever you hear what the depth chart is, that's at the point where it matters because we've seen plenty of times. A guy may end up in with in spring practice with the ones, but doesn't have a great summer and maybe we don't hear about him that next season or vice versa. This guy may be buried on the depth chart, but he may have a hell of a summer. He may have a great camp and he may end up playing a pivotal role that right now in early to mid march. We're thinking he's not going to play. So yeah, it means something. It's a mile marker, Roger, more than anything. But so you do, I don't know where you come out on that, but that's just that's how I see that. But I think it's a great question because I know that we put up depth charts after the first practice.

17:50We're going to obviously talk about who we saw running with the first group and, you know, it's one of those things to draw conclusions from yes, but it not ultimately in the final save for the spring specifically, right? Where I nibble, it's running with the first group on off and set running back. Is he going to be that first guy taking the first snap this fall? I would argue probably not, not with Hollywood Smothers, not with Relic Brown. I would even argue, hey, Derek Cooper is going to be in that mix, right? So we'll see, you know, Jordan Coleman at left tackle, Jaden Chapman at left guard. Does that stay the same? Trevor Goosie will return. So probably not the case for Jordan Coleman. So it's all of a kind of a work in progress, but it is in a way of measuring stick to say, all right, entering the spring. This is where things are and this is who you have to beat out if you're on the team. This is who you're competing for for touches or snaps or whatever it might be. So not the end all be all, but it is in a way it's own measuring stick that. Hey, it's fun fodder for us as well.

18:51Yeah. Thank you, Roger, for the question. Joel Martinez asked who are the walk-ins for this spring. We have a good history with some of them. CJ Sartre kind of mentioned this the other day, you know, with so much roster turnover and I think all but maybe Nicholas Robertson and maybe there's somebody else on forgetting of the freshmen that didn't enroll early and you know, your portal guys with the exception of Lawrence Seymour are on campus. There's so many new scholarship bodies. There's really not room for the normally you'd see walk-ins filling out the 2D or maybe somebody's playing a bigger role than they will during the season just because you need a body to get you through the spring. That's what you need about this spring, CJ, there's just not a ton of that. No, there's not, especially in the trenches, right? Normally you see a big body or so, maybe I say a walk-on trench player, which is probably around 5, 11, 6, 1, like 280 pounds, you know, just a guy that can prove to be a body when it comes to scout teams, stuff like that. Right now I know Anderson's one, McCoy Bruce, defensive back.

19:53Those are probably the two, I guess, most advanced walk-ons on the roster at the moment. Ziki Unui-Zulu, obviously he's the youngest brother of Zina and Neto, formally. So we'll see, but right now, not too many walk-ons and, you know, with Jason Wacen, I see your comment as well, or walk-on still thing with 105 scholarships now. Yes and no, you're going to see the next era of walk-ons are going to be scholarship players with the Vision One offers who will take little to no money in the NIL world or rev-share and come try to prove their way onto a roster. Again, I mentioned 2026 Zachary Louisiana Linebacker Isaiah Stokes was on campus on Monday. That in my eyes is the next generation of walk-ons. It's a guy that had offers, it was a previously committed Louisiana Monroe, had several academy offers as well, likely won't take a dollar from the NIL, but it's saying, hey, I can

20:54come prove myself to eventually make a dollar at Texas or to prove myself to get onto the field. That's the new era of NIL and walk-ons for me. Yeah. So, Jay, speaking of that, and all right, Q, we see your super-channel, good to you in just a second. But speaking of that, we talked about it on the recruiting break of the day. Isaiah Stokes, 2026 Linebacker, out of the state of Louisiana. That's the kind of guy you're talking about, like a guy that's, you know, was committed to, I guess, still is committed to a son belt school technically, but he's looking around visits Texas on Monday. Those that, instead of walk-ons, it's going to be that kind of guy where, yeah, you've got the scholarship, you'll give it to him. They may not get anything from a revshare standpoint, but those are the kind of developmental guys that are going to fill out your roster more so than the traditional walk-ons. Yes. And to that point, I'm looking up his offer list right now. It's Louisiana Monroe, UNLV, Lamar, and McNeese. So again, you know, it's not, you know, jumping off the page necessarily, but it's a kid

21:55that can play football. And I think you go back and you look at Michael Tassoffer's at the time, was it Rice, you know, Lamar, you had some academies in there, again, I'm not comparing the two recruitment here, but you see that's the type of guys that Texas will take a gamble on to say, okay, we have roster slots now, plenty of them. Now let's see if we can find a guy that has traits or tools. And again, I watched him walk by me on Monday, and it didn't look like he's listed at six foot one, two hundred. And originally, I thought, okay, this guy's an outside linebacker or he's an ad-terracherer. So he's put together well, and you know, it's just interesting to see where they might go. Marcus Boswell, oddly, is another one just, you know, coming out of late Travis, he went the prep route originally out of high school. So two years removed from high school, one year of eligibility into his college days after going to Akron last year, that's kind of what I'm talking about when it comes to finding those developmental pieces to fill out the 105. Yeah.

22:55The other part to that too, and I just know this haven't talked to coaches on staffs in the past. It doesn't really apply to SARC staff anymore, because like you said, going to 105, things are changing a little bit. But especially even with preferred walk-ons, CJ, and you know this, the toughest part with that is actually getting them into school at Texas. Texas is not an easy school to get into at a high school. So you're almost limited to guys that can get into the service academies or the Ivy League schools. You've got to be really high, a really high achieving kid from an academic standpoint to being a position to be a preferred walk-on. So like a guy like Jet Bush, like you mentioned Michael Taft, Jet Bush is another that had service academy offers, yet Ivy, the opportunities, Texas could take him as a preferred walk-on because academically, he could get into Texas right off the bat. And I don't know how it is, but I know under Charlie Strong and Tom Herman, the word from admissions was, hey, if you want this guy to get in, put him on scholarship. Like, we've got a wait list of backlogs. We're not helping you get, you know, your fifth tight end in the program.

23:59Texas is just not like other places when it comes to that. So your point, you mentioned the academics, that triggered something for me just to mention that. It's just, it's, it's a little bit different at Texas. Yeah. What was it? The wide receiver of the train from Ohio State to Notre Dame this year, just coming out saying, someone asked him, what's the difference? You know, Ohio State's good football program. They're a big school. You go to Notre Dame, good football program, good school. Well, I actually go to class and start kind of hint at that as well. He's like, yeah, our guys go to class as well. And it was like that when I was in school. I'm sure it's like that today as well, even with the COVID changes and how everybody wants to work from home and do the online over the Zoom calls and, you know, these kids still got to go to class. This episode of On Texas football is brought to you by Progressive Insurance, Fiskely Responsible, Financial Geniuses, Monetary Magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home

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26:02sponsoring the Tuesday Night Live Stream here at On Texas football. All right, let's go ahead and get to all right, Cube Super Chat. Thank you so much for the Super Chat. Can you all remember any quote? This guy looks like a star in quote and spring ball, and they never amounted to much. Do you shake in your head? Yes. So there's got to be somebody top of my for you. Yeah. It was always Kirk Johnson. Good candidate. Good candidate. I mean, it just always, every time, Jeff, and I remember one of the first, I think it was the very first spring practice. I think it was Roshan Johnson's freshman year, yet enrolled early, obviously, to play quarterback. And I had taken a photo, I had taken a photo of practice out on the back, back field at Dineas, you know, where the offensive lineman go now, and it's Roshan taking the snap and handing it off to Kirk Jackson, or Kirk Johnson, excuse me, I just remember sitting there saying, good, that is a guy that looks exactly like what I envision the NFL running backs

27:06to look like. So that was a guy I still and just unfortunate that we never got to see fully, definitely one that comes to mind for me in that regard. Roshan Hills, he's on the all time spring practice performance list without question. And the guy I would have mentioned, I love the guy to death, great family, love him, but man, three different staffs, three different springs are like, dude, look at nation, he's like, he looks like a million bucks, like he's exactly what you want, like in a prototype outside linebacker, his athletic testing numbers were really good, just, you know, kind of just really, really good raw tools he had on him. And he played at Texas, it just, I don't, it never got to CJ, I think, especially the Charlie Strong staff and the Tom Herman staff, it never got to where they probably hoped

28:07it would get with him from a production standpoint. Yeah. I'll throw another one out there just because I was always a big fan, his, I was in high school at the time, obviously, that same era Jeff, but our money for him was one that I was like, okay, good things happened when he has the ball in his hands and it just never felt like the ball was in his hands enough, but always coming out of the spring, it felt like he was a guy that, you know, was very talented one, yes, and two had a lot of expectations because of some of the efforts out of the spring. Now correct me if I'm wrong there, but I just, I always wanted to see more, right? Catch in the south end zone against Notre Dame specifically comes to mind. Yeah. You know, he toe taps the ball, his whole body's out of bounds, and I'm sitting there and she's like, God, I want to see more and more and more. He did produce Antoine, I agree, I thought he would be at a level like significantly above what we did see. I, I felt like his career would have been very different if he would have played corner.

29:09I just felt like, hey, you know, five, eleven, six foot receivers are a dime a dozen, six foot corners that can play the ball, those guys get drafted. Yeah, yeah, I just felt like if he had, if he had changed positions that would have been if for him, Sam and I mentioned one man, Shiro Davis, Shiro Davis as well as guys that do getting off the bus, just look like a million freaking dollars. And again, Shiro is the guy that like he played at Texas, finished his career at Texas, he was, you know, produced, but it just never, it never got to the point where you, you hoped it would end more importantly, I think for, you know, the Mac Brown staff and the Charlie Stronstaff never got to the point where they probably hoped it would. I got one more for you. It's recent. Can y'all to watch them? That's a good, yeah. I had high hopes after it was his freshman spring just coming out, I was like, God, he looks, the party's six one and a half, six two moves well. Obviously, we got to see a, I believe a glimpse of him against Colorado in the bowl game

30:11that year. Just never fully got his wings and then obviously he transferred out afterward, but that was another one for me. That 2019 recruiting class, quite a few guys in that class. I mean, I guess we could say Broom McCoy since he was at Texas for spring and never played the game. So we could say Broom McCoy, but man, Tyler Owens, the Gabriel Floyd, Jake Smith, Tyler Johnson on your line was one in the Gabriel Floyd has to be like one one over the last 10 years, right? Dude, yeah, man, Isaiah Hookford was another in that class. It was a late from Baylor in the offensive line as, you know, motorcycle accident ended his football career. Javon Chepard was another one that man, I remember hearing stories about guys going down to Houston to talk to him as a recruit and the feedback was like, he's either going to be three and done in like a first round draft pick or he's going to be in Texas for like a semester. You'll never hear from him again and unfortunately, the latter is kind of what happened.

31:14Brain Liebrock was another guy in that class. Oh, wow. Oh, injuries. Peter Pudgey's a guy that never got to play in Texas because of the hard issues. Yeah, that class was freaking snake bit. Yeah. So years. Yeah. I was interesting, Jeff, because he would visit with the Mondeamus. And so it was like, okay, you know, you can get the pair if you knock it out. And I remember one of the first days as I was on campus for, I guess, the cover recruiting, the two of them walked out of Montcreefe and you're sitting there like, whoa, like that's one of the top receivers in the country, and that is one of the top, you know, highly contested a Texas, Texas A&M battles at the time. Let's see how it goes down and what they had to say. And then, you know, the message was, oh, yeah, we like Texas. We love Texas. You know, I think it was after a pool party or a barbecue or something Texas had during the summer. And God, it was, it was fun to sit there and at the time for me to say, yeah, Texas gets both. And that's what they've been missing. Star receivers and a big time tackle and it worked out for neither.

32:15Yeah. It's that 2019 class. I bet you if we looked at like A&M's class, it's probably going to be some of the same like that. There's just some years like that in state 2013 was another year like that to understand where it's like, do like what, what the heck happened to this class? Like, it's just a bunch of guys that were really talented, never really made it. Here's a, here's a blash on the past, Benjamin at the Deviner Clarington ever making on campus. He made it on campus when Tom Herman was the coach at Texas, Deviner Clarington, I think he was at Blin, ended up coming in for a camp with some of his teammates. And I don't think he worked out, but it was like, and I think to everybody in the markets credit, it was like, yeah, I've already been fooled once with this. Like you're not, you're not fooling me twice, not getting my hopes up for Deviner Clarington to make it on campus in Texas. But no, Deviner Clarington, other than that one visit, CJ, you know, Lussie visited for

33:15a game or something that I've just forgotten, Deviner Clarington never made it to campus. So yeah, there's quite a, quite a few guys like that, you know, CB mentioned Chris Warren, but man, Chris Warren's deal was different because he had that game against Texas Texas freshman year, which it's one of the more insane individual games, his 95 yard, 91 yard touchdown run in that game is one of the more insane, great in game run, you'll ever see from a running back. Beast mode, 100% went for 275 in that game. I think he had 100 yards of following week against Baylor and actually, 2016, he actually had a 100 yard game at Oklahoma State. That was the game he heard his knee and was done for the year. And then Deonte form it ends up one of the dope walker war. So that's, you know, that's how that's how that happened. So see like you can't even, I don't even know if you can give the Charlie Strong staff full credit for Deonte form because it's like, well, if Chris Warren didn't get hurt, would he have got enough carries to get 2,000 yards.

34:17So yeah, so I wouldn't put Chris Warren in that group, man, people, people bring it up some really good names, David Rawls mentions a defensive in name Wilson, that'd be Reggie Wilson from, oh, God, Halton, Reggie Wilson was from Halton and in the same class with Jackson Jeff Coat, the publication I was at at the time, I, I may or may not have made Reggie Wilson the number one recruit in the state and just doing our in house rankings for said publication because I love, as long as deals, I love the story like immigrant from the ivory coast came to America when he was young, you know, escaping a war torn country and, you know, learning football and you think the upside is, and a lot of those guys, we're talking about a lot of guys in between like late Mac Brown, Charlie Strong and Tom Herman, man, there was so much coaching turnover at that point, CJ and the program, the athletic department was just such a cluster, that's amazing, anybody made it out and God, you, you

35:17can count on one hand the number of guys through that run where you're like, okay, that guy reached his ceiling at Texas, Diante for me and one of them, they just weren't that many guys because man, there's so much coaching turnover. Yeah, he reached his ceiling because I mean, he was getting 45 touches again, they said, hey man, we don't got much else, you're, you're all we got, we're going to ride you, so I'm kind of with what was the common up here from hefty tacos, don't remind me of anything from 2014 to 2020, I'll even put out like 2019, we'll cut it off. Yeah, I did, or 2022, you mentioned Diante form and like the volume carries, I was still, I was still like cautiously optimistic, maybe he could come back for a senior year and then they went at the Lawrence, you know, 50 carry game against Kansas, I'm like, yeah, they're, he, I don't want to, I want him to have some tread on his tires when he goes to the next level, like, don't, don't, don't come back after a 50 carry games, just go ahead, go to the league, make your money and be out, you know, Diante to his credit over

36:21came a pretty serious injury and carved out a pretty decent career for himself, actually really nice career for himself. Yeah, go down. In the NFL, CJ, I want to, I want to get to something, and I want to get to it because I had Matthew pull up the cut, by the way, in Sam Marcus, bottom four, Texas up seven nothing now after an Anthony pack to run home run, so Pac-Man going back to tech, Texas 15 and 0, trying to make a 16 and 0. So I had produced a Matthew pull this cut, and I'm calling this the DJ Campbell reckoning for the Texas offensive line. Now, Sark was asked about Brandon Baker and I wrote about this over on Texas football and we kind of talked a little bit about it, like, have Sark and Kyle flowed sort of to rethink the big humans philosophy, or they retooling that a little bit. And you'll hear Sark use a couple of terms in this cut that I haven't heard him use before CJ, and I'll credit you for it. We'll call this the DJ Campbell reckoning. We'll talk about any of this. But here's the cut from Sark talking about Brandon Baker on Monday after this episode

37:23of on Texas football is brought to you by progressive insurance, fiscally responsible, social geniuses, monetary magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to progressive and save hundreds. Because progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home, and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it, so your dollar goes a long way. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, potential savings will vary, not available in all states or situations. Right, Garb? Yes. I just think when you look at Brandon's measurables, and you look at kind of his future of the game, he's kind of got a guard build, and quite frankly, that was one of the hopes we were going to have for him last year. But obviously, Kojo got injured in training camp, and he ended up winning the job at Wright Tackle. And we're not going to as a richer freshman. We've got to play the best players we have available. But I think solidifying ourselves from the inside on that right side of the line with

38:25him, and Melvin at Wright Tackle is really beneficial for us long term. But, you know, natural weight is important to me. I think sometimes just trying to get heavy, you know, one of his strengths is his ability to move and play with great balance and body control. And that's something that I think will benefit him now. Mass is helpful, right? But we just want to make sure it's the right type of mass as his weight goes up. No weight and right type of mass, CJ, are terms, I have not heard Sark use in the previous years. He's been a Texas. He's been all about big humans and we want mass and we want large people. And I caught the DJ Campbell reckoning because you brought this to everybody's attention. And I'm, I'm crediting you and I'm running with this as kind of the germ of the idea. So go ahead. You can throw out your shoulder pat in yourself on the back with this one if you want. DJ Campbell at one point in his career at Texas got up to 300, he was over 340 pounds. He played his best ball as a senior when he was listed on the roster and probably played

39:26lighter than this throughout the season at 321 pounds. Yeah. So he's talking about over a 20 pound difference from when he was at his heaviest to when he was at his lightest and played his best football like you go look at the PFF numbers. I test will tell you that the AP named him first team all SEC, the coaches named him third team. He didn't even sniff on all conference in the big 12. So he played the best football of his career, lighter. He goes to the combine at 313 runs almost breaks five in the 40 had 501 in the 40 and the power and all that stuff that you see on film like it, you have every reason to believe that it's still there. He helped himself as a draft prospect. So CJ, I'm, I'm calling this for the staff. I, I don't know if it's how, if Sark is going to get deeper into it as we go along or he'll admit that they're rethinking things, but as I wrote over on Texas football.com, when you have the worst run year for rushing the football that the Texas program has had

40:27since 2014 and archmaning was the most pressured quarterback in the SEC, everything is up for change at that point. Like everything should be on the table. It really does seem like they're rethinking the big humans philosophy. I tend to agree and I say that because I was running through some of the numbers today when looking at, you know, the, the changes to the Texas spring roster and what, you know, some of, I guess the average weight of the offensive line would have been with obviously Trevor Goosby, you had Jayden Chapman. The average weight of this starting five right now is about 315 pounds. I know that there have been years when you look at it and you say, okay, Texas pushing like 325. They're up to works 330 with some of their guys, DJ Campbell, you know, Cam Williams in that 2023 offensive line. I mean, they were, they were massive. The 23 options of line per man average 324.6 pounds.

41:29So they're, I mean, it's a 10 pound decrease and, and look, I'm all for getting big humans, but don't sacrifice the athleticism for mass. And I think we did that or we saw that a little bit with DJ Campbell and it kind of brings to, you know, some of that discussion and argument of, is it better to go get the kids that's, that's already 330 pounds out of coming out of high school or is it to find a cadence share or Trevor Goosby or someone that's 270 pounds is going to take a while to get to where they want to be, but they played that soccer. They played basketball. They have an athletic background. And now I can mold them through Torrey Beckton and that's something that with Trevor Goosby, I mean, I saw a number of guys. Mark Reiner included draft scouts space time. Why is 74 from Texas? No one called. And it's like, well, you know, if that's kind of the message that they're receiving already is that he's, he was the number one off into tackle. It's not, you know, just copy pace, but you can certainly find ways to put on good way

42:30easier than it is taking off. And I add to that, look at Nick Brooks, never really got down to where you wanted Peyton Kirkland. Never really got down to where you wanted, right? So it's tough, no easy way to do it, no one solution, but I kind of like the more build your guys up rather than slim them down and, you know, maybe go too big too early. You had seven guys, seven offensive linemen on the 2025 roster that were listed at 325 plus. Four of those guys are gone. Yeah. Be of the transfer portal. So you've transformed that room. The only guy you added that's in that category is Dylan Sikorsky, when you got him from the portal. He's gone from Oregon State. So he's listed at 344, you know, see where he slams down to it. I don't want to call to Corsky a developmental guy, but he's only got the one you're starting at Oregon State. And there's a reason why you're pushing for more and see more to get eligible. So you can make sure, you know, you've got some mark of error guard.

43:33But CJ, you look at the offensive line and other, other than the Coleman twins in Andre Kodzo is the third guy, which he's not practicing right now because he's still rehabbing the knee. Like it, it's a different looking offensive line. If anybody that was up at that old line field on Monday's practice, which I was for a little bit, Mike, you look at Melvin, Ciani, if you look at, you mentioned Kaden's share. You started looking at some of the younger guys, even Baker kicking inside the guard. Kaden Chatman slimmed down a little bit. It just looks like he's real reshape his body. It's a different looking group than some of the groups we've seen in years past. I don't know that that's necessarily going to mean they're better, but it is noticeable how the bodies have changed. It definitely very much so. And, you know, even, well, is it year two, 2022, maybe when Christian Jones stepped out on the practice field, Jeff, and he said, he looks like a completely different player, right? He's much thicker up at the top. His lower body looks fantastic. He lost some of the baby weight and you're like, he's 325 or 30 pounds right now. He looks great.

44:34And, you know, obviously he goes on and has a great career, but, you know, the point is, you know, these body transformations changed so much. I was shocked to see Dylan's course get 344 pounds. Maybe I didn't get a good enough of a look at him or a close enough look on Monday when we were there, Jeff, but he was only list at 332, I believe, at Oregon State via ESPN. So that's something that I look at. But I'm with you. I, like, if you're an offensive lineman, everybody that you play is going to be right in a range from 340 pounds, you know, Texas obviously has a few exceptions. I do the where's the beef article every year that'll come out again this year, but everybody's going to be within that range from 270 to 250 pounds up to about 350. If you're right in that range of 310 to 320, you're a great spot. You know, you are. You keep that our photos and that is obviously so coveted at this level and not just the, you know, not just the athleticism. But if you're talking about making a run for a national championship, you're talking

45:35about playing a 15 16 game schedule, I mean, as much as guys are getting paid and as much as it is NFL light at this point, it's not the NFL where this isn't the guy's full-time job. Like, he's still got to go to class. He's still got responsibility. So you can't manage that weight like you would in the NFL where literally like that's what you do. You manage your weight. So yeah, you probably want a little bit off the guys just so they'll be able to sustain longer. I mean, I would imagine if you're carrying 340, 350, by telling you get to a 15 16 game, and you're, I don't know how much you're going to have in the tank at that point, I would think if you get down to 320, 315, you might have a little bit more left. I mean, we saw it literally came limbs. Yeah. Yeah. Just as simple as that. You know, he wasn't able to make it all the way through game 15 and evidently, it ended up being a large reason why Texas was not able to win that game and move on to the national championship. Yeah. So, you know, we can talk about that a little bit more, CJ, again, I'll give you credit

46:35for that. I'm calling it the DJ Campbell reckoning is what I'm calling this because there's nothing you can do about DJ Campbell now, but I do think that something like, at least I hope somebody internally said, Hey, when is this guy dropped 20 pounds and played the best football of his career and was probably other than Trevor Groosey was the most consistent offensive lineman we had all year. Anybody noticed that? I hope somebody spoke up and said that at some point while they were reworking this roster and we'll see what happens, but yeah, to your point, yes, the question earlier, like, I don't know that there's a good, because I've seen it work in a bad way the other way where you think, okay, let's get it guy. School that's 280 and we'll try to get him up to 300. Well, if you don't do your homework and you don't look at the proper body type, man, you're just going to have a guy that stuck it like 282, 85 and in this league, you play a nine game SEC schedule, good luck getting through it and your quarterback being alive with 280 pound offensive tackles. I guess it's just not, it's just not going to happen.

47:37So, that's where your player personnel department, CJ has to come in and make sure you're doing a lot of legwork. Oh, not just the high school guys, but the portal guys saying, hey, this guy's, you know, he's 295. Can we get him to 310? Can we get him to 310 wisely and safely and where it's still his benefit? Or if he's 330, can we get him down to 320 and will he be the same kind of guy that he is? So, again, just a little bit different. I think they're reworking some things at least I hope that they are. So we can talk about that. Whatever you guys got in the chat, we'll take your questions, comments and anything else. We'll get, actually Rodgers got one CJ, I want to get your thoughts on this, but we'll one more time. Let's thank our lead sponsor here on the Tuesday in our live stream. That's Andy Lutike in my perfect franchise. Do you want control over your own destiny? If you do, maybe franchise ownership is something that you can look into. If that's the case, give Andy Lutike a call. He's an expert at placing people in the right franchise that fits your strengths and your finances. Franchise ownership is a for everyone. But if you have a desire to take control of your destiny, call Andy or email him at

48:41Andy at my perfect franchise dot net. Again, that's Andy at my perfect franchise dot net. And we want to thank Andy Lutike and my perfect franchise for sponsoring the Tuesday night live stream here at on Texas football. CBS in the talking about the weight of players that have you made a Jeff Ridge shirts yet. I tell you, Andrew Fraar at 378, I think is what he's listed at at Jerry's even mentions. Like he's lost weight since he got it from Arkansas to Texas. That just the good Lord only makes so many human beings like that CJ where you just like. I'll say it meant he's carrying 378 pounds about as well as any human being walking the planet and carry 378 pounds. Yes, absolutely. And we watched him move. Look, it's not, you know, it doesn't take him, you know, an eight day week to walk across the field, you know, in the first step off the line. I watched a few drills. I'm going to say he's lightning quick. Obviously that doesn't exist at 378 pounds, but he looks good.

49:42And it looked like, you know, some a weight that he could play at and play effectively at. So if he's able to again, to slimmer down a little bit, you know, get down to 365 ish. I think that would be fantastic. You don't see the Tevondre sweats of the world who legitimately played north of 375. And I know there were some rumors around his time at Texas where he played in the 390s or even close to 400, where you're sitting there saying, how is this even possible? You just don't see those guys. So for Jafrard, I hope he glues is about 5 to 10 more pounds and you get him on the lighter side of his feet as well. And that CB also says happy birthday to the greatest offensive lineman in Texas history, Calvin Banks. There we go. Certainly without questions, certainly the most decorated. And the Outland trophy, the Lombardio Ward, the unanimous All-American without question of the most decorated, you see the greatest. I don't know, man, from the guys that Dan Neal is up there for me, Justin Blalock, really

50:43freaking good. They're in his career at Texas, you go back at Bob McKay, Jerry Siresmore, there's a healthy debate to be had. But a happy birthday. Calvin makes pretty good rookie year with the Saints. And as I say to the New England Patriots and the fans complaining about Will Campbell and left tackle, only there was somebody ready made to walk in from day one and start at left tackle when you had the fourth pick and you didn't pick him and you let him get to 10 and the Saints got him. And I think the Saints are pretty satisfied with their pick of Calvin Banks. So just again, just food for thought. All right, cube to the another super chat. Thank you. And one of these days, some innovative coach is going to come along and rotate O line like they do D line with success. You heard it here first, a couple of days there, one, I, from a depth standpoint, I just don't think you have that many quality offensive linemen to where you can rotate like that. And that position, group, man, it is so much about reps together.

51:43It's all about what we're doing or steam your running like there's so much more that goes into putting an offensive line together than putting in a defensive line that makes it really, really hard to rotate unless you've got legitimate like six, seven guys that you say, hey, these guys are all equal, they are all starting caliber guys. Even the deepest college football teams don't have that. No, and I can't think of anything, anything close to it, right? The only thing that comes to mind really Vanderbilt did the whole switch size where you're right garden right tackle were hitched and they were kind of your strong side and then you'd have a flex side or whatever they called it, right? So your left tackle and your left guard could be on the right side for a snap and your right tackle and your right guard could be on the left side, depending on what the play call and where the ball was on the hash. So that's the only thing, but at the same time, those are still the five guys that you see out on the field. We've seen jumbo sets, you know, some teams get creative and even get a six or seven guy at times, but all together, I just think the drop from the ball, I think, I'm going to

52:44from offensive lineman number five to six or seven is you're so significant that when a guy gets injured, you sit there, you say, great, you know, or seasons at risk now because there's a reason why he wasn't starting to begin the year. Yeah. That, you know, last year, you know, you go back to 23, I'm basically thinking about the offensive line like Kyle flood up until last year really hadn't had to deal with a bunch of changes because in, you know, 22, they went start to finish with the same group, 23. You have the case state game where Christian Jones, I think you injured an ankle in practice that week and you had to have Cam Williams start that game. Other than that, it was Christian Jones for every other game. In the 24, you had late where like, you know, Banks got hurt against A&M, Gooseby comes in and then, you know, back, Gooseby starts the next week and then they get, he gets back and then Cam Williams gets hurt against Clemson, so Gooseby has to start the Arizona state game. But to your point, CJ, we'll look back and say, Oh, your number three tackle on that

53:46team and then it'll be in a first round pick. Yeah. Because your point like, yeah, if you're going to rotate like you're, you have to be pretty freaking special. That's the thing. You got to make sure that the talent's there, especially on the interior. So it's a tough, it's a tough thing to judge. Yeah. You've never seen before. Yeah. Maybe you could do it back in the wishbone days or the pre 85 scholarship era, but especially in the NIO portal era, it's really, really hard to do. Roger asks, he said, what's up with Parker Livingston, the Parker Livingston thing? Did he want to leave? Is he feeling resentment? Being at OU, I'm confused about this whole situation. It's a little, it's called some contradictory information, CJ coming from, you know, Jim Maggie said we didn't expect Texas to drop him and then apparently Parker or sort of there after said, if I didn't have an agent, I'd probably still be at Texas. So it's the Parker Livingston thing. It's a really unfortunate deal because had everything been in a typical normal off season,

54:52he's still at Texas. This was not a typical normal off season. No. And the idea that Texas did not value Parker or did not, you know, even extending offers is ludicrous, you know, and did Oklahoma have a more significant offer on the table? Perhaps I believe so, probably quite a bit, but you know, Texas, I think, you know, they put something out there that was competitive for him and some of these, you know, the way that some of these comments are being construed one way or the other, both from Texas fans and Oklahoma fans, it's like, yeah, just get me to this game already. I want to see, you know, this storyline build up what is already a very heated emotional rivalry. Yeah. I saw this the idea, well, I mean, this is fuel, dude, if you, if either side needs fuel for this game, you've already lost. Yep. A hundred percent. You, anybody that's been to that game, I've never played in it, just been in the stadium and it is unlike anything I've ever experienced.

55:52CJ, I think I'm, I'm maybe even mentioning this for the, the 2024 game. Yeah, because I didn't go this last year, so 24 would have been the last one I went to. I just got an Apple watch and just started wearing it. And right before kickoff, I got a vibration on my watch saying that my, my heartbeat, my heart rate was accelerated from where it normally is. I'm doing nothing except sitting down in my seat, getting ready for kickoff. Like that's where my pulse was at that point. So I'm like, man, if that doesn't say anything else about the rivalry, I don't know what else to like, I don't have a dog in the fight, but I am, I'm on the edge of my seat. So yeah, it is as emotionally charged as any game. What a guy like Keith Mordlin can say, you know, stood at home plate in the batter's box in the World Series and never experienced anything like Texas OU. Like that should tell you how special that game is. So don't need fuel for any of it. I think CJ, anything top of mind for you before we close it out here, quick update from Sam Marcus, by the way, of the baseball game. Texas got up seven, nothing.

56:53As CJ mentioned, hey, this thing's going the distance. Like it's just been a crazy rivalry. Texas State comes back with a three run bottom of the fourth. It's now seven, three Texas 477 on the Casey Boyle run earlier. That'll play CJ any final thoughts before we wrap this up? No, look, I'm excited to get back out there for practice again on Wednesday, you know, given, you know, weather permits. So we'll have a lot more notes, a lot more nuggets. We'll see if there's any movement. I just want to see more of GameComb. Germain Bishop, those are the two I want to continue watching with the close eye because they're unbelievable talents. I got to get a good look at the D-Line group. Really the defensive front, D-Line, Edge, linebacker. I got to get a closer look at that group. If fingers crossed, the weather doesn't betray us and we get to get a little glimpse of practice in the morning. All right, CJ, thank you for the knowledge and expertise. As always, Matthew, behind the scenes, the MVP, and on Texas football produced the show. Thank you very much.

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