Spanish GP Madring Preview 2026

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2:08Welcome to Misty Packs podcast. I'm your host Richard Reddy, but my friends call me Spanners, so let's be friends this afternoon. We are previewing a brand new racetrack. Madering, the Madrid ring, the new Spanish Grand Prix. That's what we're being told. That's the official line for me. It will always be the circuit de Catalunya. But we have to live in this new modern world where Madrid has wrestled that name from Barcelona, and it is now the Spanish Grand Prix. It's a brand new circuit. There's lots of banking, there's big high curbs, and there's at least on the surface a general sense of positivity coming out of people whose financial interests are vested in Formula One. And so it's really hard to tell. I've seen some very sarcastic comments from Lando Norris on his friend Max's stream, I think, where he really did fake media press haunts us. The staffman was a little bit more candid on one of his streams

3:09saying that it's going to look tight. It looks difficult. There's really high potential for there to be a shunt. So I am not going to shy away from my general negativity towards street tracks. However, I am going to try and look for the positives as we look forward to the weekend with my friend Matt to Rumpet Salimat. Hey there, Spanners. Yeah, this is an interesting one because it's sort of your default position at this day and time is automatic pushback. But having heard for some people who've been there, I think there may be some genuinely good stuff about this track, and certainly better than 100% street track. However, the hype is the hype, and we're not going to know until they start running cars on it. Okay, but that's, you could say that with everything. So we never go, well, we'll just have to wait and see. Enjoy your day. That's the end of the podcast. So it doesn't keep us from guessing, I'm speculating while there is just setting the grounds for what we know versus what we expect. So all the comments we've had and the photos,

4:13a lot of the sites have really dined out on the, I guess, clickbait of, here's a part, a picture of the track, and it's just a dirt ball with a broken down track on fire in the corner. So we were really getting to the point where we were speculating about whether it would be ready. It obviously is ready. Did you catch what was going on in they had an F3 run out, didn't they? Because this weekend is going to feature F1, F2, I think, and F3. So a really, really busy schedule on a track that the staff and the said there's going to be a lot of shunts here, where there was a lot of red flags for that F3 test, wasn't it? But Chris has piked up in our WhatsApp saying, yeah, but look, these are kids and they, they are obviously cautious. So any little incident, any car start to go red flag, but it's not, I mean, I don't hear about 19 red flags at other F3 tests. Well, you say cautious and I would say, well, I think it's more of the drivers are, you know, we had a saying in cycling about the sprinters and no brain, no pain, and I think for F3 drivers,

5:18it's kind of the same when it comes to overtakes or potential overtakes or it looks like maybe I could make that overtake. Every time I got confirmation bias, half a gap in F3 drivers, like, yeah, I could put it through there. And then I don't know, I'm just saying why I'm in the wall with eight other people. I don't know how that happened, but yeah, that's another red flag. Okay, so track design interesting 5.4 K 22 turns, but it's been identified. It's, it's, why? You know, I like to give credit, the race did a lovely little graphic of where all those red flags were on the track, and not surprisingly, they're in the tight twisty bits. So more good news, sector one, sector three, tight and twisty sector two very fast with the turn 12 banked turn. And there's a chicane coming, turn five, turn six, because they specifically point at is being the most likely place for something to go horribly wrong. And that's because the nature of the walls rather than going away from the turn exit actually kind of converge on it a little bit. And so yeah, I think, I think chaos,

6:23one of his chaotic neutral might be the best outcome for this because other stuff going on, the surface is very tight and it's newly laid. So you're going to have sort of a low grip, most likely a very low degrace. So nailed on without any other considerations. Totally one stop definitely. Yeah, definitely a one stop. And the pit delta is something like 25 seconds, 25 seconds. Yeah, very long. And all right, you know how I like to complain, they actually exit a turn three instead of turn one or it would have been even worse. So like, I think they did the best they could, but the best they could isn't really what we were hoping for. Hang on, isn't half of it though from scratch? So half of it is the streets in a retail park and the industrial park, but then isn't half of it like they had a sandbox. Yeah, no, and they did and they made some really, I think this is more of the sector two stuff with a big banked turn, which looks, and I've heard from someone who's actually been there. This isn't me reading

7:24something in a paper. This is me talking to someone who's been there. It's spectacular. Turn 12, spectacular with a grandstands. It's going to be amazing. So it's not going to look. Is it going to look like every other street track where you just see that same fencing? Like inform me the e every track looks the same. Yeah, you know, I don't think entirely. I think the sector two is going to have more of your traditional barriers. So you'll get you'll get that middle of the middle of the lap. Oh, it's all very different. And turn 12 is iconic, but sadly, I don't think or at least the report I got was that it's going to be anywhere from hard to impossible to accurately represent it on television because you know, television just does that thing where you don't get the elevation. You don't get the end climb, but drivers are all like, I have a quote from a four minute three driver, Fred, East later, where did it go? It's quite difficult to get the right line because obviously where the crest is, the bottoming can get quite bad. It looks in easy corner when you look at it, but actually to drive it, it's quite a difficult corner to get

8:29the rhythm. And that's the F three current eating leading the championship driver. So we can assume that he's probably quite good. Yeah, accurate about that. So, uh, Vistampin was saying that he has put it in the sim and he said it's actually a very a very difficult track to drive and say, like when you are going through the lap, you don't really know necessarily whether you've you've done a better lap or whether you're doing the job better. So that's interesting. So I think it might be unpredictable at how you come off the big curbs and stuff like that and you've maybe not the same line every time, but it's still a street track. And it's as if if the FAA had got or the F1 had gone, what the fans really want out there is a guaranteed one stop with very minimal overtaking. What can we do guys brainstorm? No stupid ideas. Make the pit lot much longer. Make sure that a pit stop is like so not worth it and costs way way too much. Okay, good, good, good. Uh, what about the surface? Well, it's got to be a street track. It's got to be a this was going to be my

9:29question to you Matt is, is there any street track surfaces that are high where I think maybe Vegas we've been hard to tell exactly because of the funny times of day, but they were sliding around a lot in Vegas on all street tracks. Blow where sochi you could the tires lips new when you finished. Yeah, and and certainly for this year that's going to be because everything is new. I think what you'll probably wind up seeing is the street bits of it will probably have to be resurfaced more often than the non-street bits and they will because it's I have learned you will find out soon because we do have another behind the barriers coming out with with Campbell. Yes, that it's really expensive to resurface a whole track. So they try to do as little as possible and they don't ever want to mess with it once they've got something that's kind of working. And so you're going to get this where in the sector to the purpose built bit that's not going to

10:32match what you've got on the street tracks and that's actually going to present a huge and entertaining challenge. I think for your tire engineers and for your suspension guys, but certainly this time round it's going to be very slippy. I don't know. My understanding is they haven't done any treatments because it's a first-time service which might also be if you were inclined to be cynical while all the support races are there because they're essentially going to ask F2 and F3 to help clean up the track for the Grand Prix on Sunday. I probably didn't answer your question. Did you have a question? I was just like downloading facts. It doesn't happen to me very often doing a show and radio or whatever. I just completely blanked out. I mean, can I blame? Can I blame? I need to be fair. I was talking about surface characteristics and you know, that's going to send probably 99.8% of my audience. I'm so sorry. Not really to be rude at all, but my brain did start fooling like cartoon animals. There's a classic far say blah blah blah, ginger blah blah blah. Yeah, that's what I totally get. Part of that is because I trust you so

11:36much with content on the show that my brain can park and go, it's okay, Trumpets has got this. And then normally there'd be a third person who would answer, if I look blank, like I just did. Yeah. Okay, so I'm not going to make you repeat that because you know, we know that's a duplicate. You just was making sure I answered whatever question you might have had. The question was, do any street tracks have high wear? I think it's the no. One of the street tracks of Vegas, yeah, Baku. Yeah, Baku's one stop, isn't it? Singapore's definitely a one stop because when you have the combination of of low wear, but then anywhere there is, kind of doesn't matter because you can go slow enough to save your tires without being worried about being overtaken, right? That's the big problem. The combination of low wear and walls and what is different about this is the sector two seems to be fast and flowing and the bank corner Perelli has said, note, note, I'm telling you who said, as I'm not saying, this is the actual case

12:37because I haven't talked to anybody else about it. Perelli have said that in terms of the energy, the loading of the tires, it's top five circuits on the entire calendar close to Silverstone. In the banked corner, I find that's the highest vertical loads of the season will be seen because entry to the banked corners, I think science estimated around 280 to 300 kilometers an hour coming off of a fairly big stop. So you're not going to be short of energy. It's about half a kilometer of banked turn 270 degrees. So the highest vertical loads are going to be there because you not only have the downforce at the highest possible speed your car can go. So this is maximum push down. You also have the banking assisting you in keeping that speed and it's wide enough you can get more than two cars next to each other through the banking. So we could have like indie Daytona style banks passing attempts going on there and probably leading to like, you know, a 90 degree

13:4037 kilometer an hour turn with walls on either side to make it, you know, okay, I don't know, entertaining. Yeah, well, I think with the the yo yo racing, was it us complaining that we shouldn't call it yo yo racing that we should come up with a better term me, you specifically me, okay, yeah, because it came, and I'll tell you, it's not even necessarily a bad term in terms of understanding what's going on, but descriptively yo yo nothing ever changes, but really eventually people do make the past stick. It just takes a couple of attempts, and but mainly because it immediately when it was quiet came from a very demeaning place, talking about how bad everything was in Formula One, now that we have these new cars and these new rules, and it just well, yeah, so it happened in 2014, and it I still carry some anger from that, my friend, because they then went into the 2017 regs and basically killed racing for a regulation set. I mean, the people who are talking about yo yo racing, all it's meaningless because one gets past and then the other gets past, but Max was tapping ruins that because he has he's he's adapted to it,

14:40I think the best because he has those aggressive really aggressive defenses, so he was able to get past and then hold position for an amount of time against a faster George Russell, and so he was able to use his power deployment to have a delta to a faster car and then hang on as that faster car tried to come back. So yeah, I mean, that's that's a big slam dunk for people who are saying that that racing is meaningless, of course, that's racing, we've given the more tools to go racing. So yeah, so here, if you've got that what is essentially like a NASCAR style oval section, I guess, and you've got a big differences in power, you may have cars a lot of drafting then and passing each other's dreams. Every side of the slipstream really useful, and Manzo for example, and you can see it again, qualifying is going to be fascinating. How long is that straight then? Because when I looked to the map, I went, oh, look at this, it's a dinky little, dinky little track, and then it's actually quite a long track, it's 5.5, because that's kilometers, is it? I point four kilometers. I point four kilometers, that's the most.

15:4157, 5.4, that's three point. Okay, two maybe? So it's not like a freakishly small or freakishly big layout. It is a very normal size layout, 57 laps to get to the end, I think, so a little bit shorter than Manzo. So it's going to be wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, and that's the kind of layout that we've got going on. Yeah, and so the complaint from the drivers or the concern from the drivers, because they're not actually driven on it yet, is that they're worried that there's not a really good obvious overtaking spot they have seen because the wiggly bits are really slow, and the fast bits are really fast, but what that opens up, and especially, it opens up braking zones, and especially braking zones from high to low speeds, is a potential place where you can shove people out of the way, and the walls on either side really, I think, if you were going to

16:41make a bet, betting on at least a virtual safety car in this race, probably wouldn't be the probably be close to a slam dunk, if you know what I mean, we should definitely go and pile on gamblerware. Yeah, I think, yeah, a safety car that odds must be really even, if the bookies are even half paying attention, it's going to be something like one to 15, they're being a safety car. It's even money. I need to nip to the bank real quick. So, yeah, okay, my negativity is tempered by my predictive powers about how entertaining Xanvort and Manzo would be, and so I've been very poor, have we had many stinkers this season where you go, nothing could happen, they're stuck in a train, no one could overtake. We may have had one or two, but in terms of in terms of a hit ratio, it's been pretty spectacular compared to your average formula one season. It has, you know, and the modico, maybe, there's always going to be one or two where everything works, the teams, all the teams got it exactly right, qualifying, which you pretty much in pace order,

17:44and then everybody just, you know, beads on a string. Well, that is, I can't take credit for beads on a string, by the way. I know, but that was my mate, that was my mate Dave in the army, and I was trying to get him to watch Formula One with me during the Schumacher era, and he was like, why? Well, I tell you what, instead of watching Formula One with you, why don't we put some beads in a string and then lift up one end of the string. It's going to be just going, why should we watch something when things happen all the time? We could watch something where something might happen once every 10 times, and now it's like once every, you know, once every, I mean, like every race has had some good action in it, even if the, like the head of the race has been fairly static, or there's been one very clear winner, it just, yeah, it's, it's new, first year, new regs, and there's always going to be some kind of chaos or craziness that erupts at some point. I'm going to just diver into a general kind of sports versus entertainment with theme. So I was a, I caught a tennis YouTube person, tick tock sorry person saying, guys, it four and a half hours is too long for tennis. I know

18:51we've got a traditional thing with the slams where it's best of five cents, but you've got these monster athletes out there now who are too good, they get everything back, they're really closely matched, and you end up with a four on a heart, he said, he made this comment, he said, nothing that supposed to be fun should be four and a half hours, nothing, nothing that's entertainment should be four and a half hours, and I was like, I agree so much. And like with baseball, didn't they, oh, they started having like, uh, shot clocks and shot pitch timers. So you have to pitch within a certain amount of time. Yeah. And I think tennis has that as well. And this is the something we've had with NASCAR, and I won't name golf has it golf could just golf have it. Yeah, it's a putting I think there's a I think the like you can only take so much time lining up your putt before like you got to actually hit the frick. Oh man, there's so much you could do with golf just to make like why do the balls have to go so far? Why not just make them go half the distance and it would already be fun. This is already a regulatory issue. And one that I actually, when we get a track designer on to talk to, I want to talk to them about because golf we've seen a lot of classic

19:54courses, essentially unusable or ruined because the equipment has been allowed to progress. I'm not saying we're that one. Yeah. Yes, I mean, go now we're talking quarter speeds. It's damaging the surface. It's making the tracks boring. The cars have become so big to get that speed that the racing itself has been affected. And yeah, it's a problem across all different sports. Really, I'm sure you get the same thing with rackets and tennis. You got it now with shoes and running. You know how much you can buy a like the best pair of running shoes like the fastest marathon shoes are like $550. It's insane. I won't mention it too. If you want to win, yeah, I won't mention the NASCAR team member that we were speaking to. And I just went, I'm really enjoying this like it's affecting me at like a visceral core level when the herd of NASCAR's first went by me and Matt looked at each other knowing. I'm trying to. Knowing that we were sharing like a key like a life moment, a core memory together. And when I went too long, man, NASCAR is too long.

20:58It's that's getting it's four and a half hours. And he just looked at me and yes, like it's so there's this balance between what's the sweet spot where it wasn't worth your time turning up because it's so short. And oh my god, is it still going on? Yeah, but let's just cricket. They have an entirely different format now. Yes, I know this. Yeah. But you're talking about people, if you go back to the 90s and think about what's going to change you then denim shirts, take me by and come back to here and look at that same thing. You'd be bored out of your mind. The rapid progression of attention span and like what's the sweet spot has far outstripped any sports ability to sort of keep up with it in modern parlance. And that would be the same with F1 races as well. I often point to ET. I tried rewatching ET extra to rest your by Steven Spielberg. Oh my god, get to the point. You got kids in your movie. You're often talented. Watch it with your kids. Oh, it's just hilarious. So younger, the better like around eight is classic. So but then we went to

22:03the cinema on my birthday to watch something our house on the end of Oak Street with the whole town gets teleported to somewhere in the past and there's dinosaurs. Best dinosaur movie ever by the way, but pretty quickly gets to the point. You still got character development in there and it's done in 90 minutes. And I went, oh, one time of 90 minutes, that's amazing. But where in a formula one race would I start to go? This is eating too much of my my Sunday is like when even when there's red flags and stuff, I'm like, oh, get on with it. So I'm not saying Dominican is right because he seems to be saying what we should have is five minute races and only only published them on things or whatever. But they are shortening the races for the next season, I think, where a tiny amount, where a few laps. Yeah, but so. But where's the line? I think if one generally is in a good spot now with timings. So I think the line is what you have to look at is what is mine? Not lap count, but legitimately what is my time? What is my interest here? Like if you were to go

23:07through right now and ask me how many racing laps there were in your average grand prix that wasn't this year with brand new regulations, but let's just go. Oh, we guess it. Just one or two regulations. That's 56. Racing laps. Yeah, you have the first five laps. You have two to three laps around the pit stop. And then you've probably got about the last five laps. You've allowed me out of out of out of 50 laps. You're only really racing maybe 10 or 15. Okay, can I push by getting else is just management and who can just skillfully manage slightly better, but not like not like racing. You're not you're not going you're managing all your resource to say for those little push bits and that is very much an endurance sport that way. Can I push back on that a little bit? I'm actually I'm surprised at you. Well, I know what you're saying like where you do the full pace available to you on that on that whatever tire on so on a new tire it gives you the maximum

24:08performance at 10 laps old. It's got less performance, but you could still go as fast as you can. You can still push as fast. That's what you're saying is you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So essentially the sorry, go ahead. Well, no, my argument is that actually especially with the purely range, if we were talking go-karting, I would agree, but there's a lot of strategy in how and when you manage it's not like it's not binary. There's not a push and then fully manage. So I guess you know, this is ethos spirit and soul of the sport as well. Do we do we dismiss management because some people say, oh, I saw about management. It's boring. Other people say, well, everyone's always been about manage. You've always had to manage your engine temperatures. You've always had to manage your tires to certain extent. When you've had to, you know, you can't wreck your chassis. You can't go over the curves. You've got to manage that. So the curb might be fastest, but you might have to look out for your suspension. Is there some management that's like, okay, cool. We consider this part of racing. In which case, you can really make a difference. So

25:09someone like Hamilton, who's really good at just biting his time and knowing when the key key moments are was able, let's and vote to give himself a significantly different strategy to his teammate in the same car, right? So that was done in your non racing laps, you see? Well, yeah. And this is the point that I was going to make right now. The ratio of managed laps to full out laps is probably like four to one three to one four to one. And so the question ask yourself is would changing shifting that ratio some give a better product without changing the fact that you both have to raise and manage and the management is a very important strategic part of the overall picture. You see what I'm saying? And when they've had the the stint restrictions like hat, Katala, right? Well, there you go. Well, we got 100% so a ratio there. Didn't we? Pretty much. There was like no. You don't want you don't want 100% of either. You want you want

26:11the combination to be good. But the question is, do we want a little more racing, a little less management? And not even in terms of the management still needs to be able to make a difference on its own. But time wise, do I really need three or four managed laps for every one race lap? And by race, I mean, okay, we're in our maximum energy lap. And the engineers just basically say, yeah, get as far up the grid as you can't. Then you then you reach a point of stasis where you're beginning to get caught someone you can't wipe pass or you're just fighting each other engineers like, look, give me this map. And what we need to do is save tires and starting lap 15, we're going to push for three laps and we're going to get the undercut. Okay. Now there's your strategy. There's your management. Yeah. But does it need to be lap five to lap 15? Yeah. Yeah. Could we et cetera and so on? Hmm. Okay. I take your initial point. I feel my like my pushback added value to your point. So you're welcome. It did. Yes. Thanks. I'm not going to illuminate the other side of what I was thinking. The first NASCAR race I did on I racing because I was just thinking about how you and I do we don't really have experience with management outside of sim racing because in the

27:16carts, you don't really have to do it in carting. There was only there was only one. That was it. There was one time I've done tire management in a car and it's not about the wear of the tires because those things are bulletproof at a commercial place. So they want them to last for weeks if they can. And I noticed Kyle, or did he tell me, I can't remember, Kyle was not doing any tire warm-up or prep at all. And I think if Kyle's not doing that, there's got to be a reason. He's not stupid. I know. I think he did tell me. And then he said, yeah, these laps are absolutely their best when they're cold. When they're stone cold, you get the most grip fastest lap time. And then once it heats up, you've got to deal with it because it is going to get up to a racing temperature. So that thermal management is important. And I remember I got a monster first lap because I'd listened to him and everybody else had actually got their tires up to heat already. Yeah, it was them. Was that yellow by any chance? That was Ella Park. Yeah. The thing I remember is him telling me, like after two or three laps, you just picked up this horrible understeer and it was like, oh yeah, whatever. I've never noticed that before. And then the whole time. The third time out of

28:21the big first turn, it was just literally like, I was like that top gear where they just had the wheel cranked all over the right and the car just kept going. I was like, oh, that's the oh, there it is. And then the other one I racing, I jumped into a NASCAR race like last year. And generally, the standard does vary a lot in the NASCAR style over racing. So I wasn't surprised really when I disappeared from the pack. And I was like, gapping them. I'm a half a lap ahead. I'm like, these mugs are these are idiots. Look at the look at you, America. I've come over here to teach you a lesson and then the tires just dissipate and they all must be thinking more on. Look at that more on as it goes. And so then I've since done those races with the time management in mind. And it's it's kind of actually interesting in skill for you have to find that sweet spot. It takes a lot of time. You'd prefer to have the data and stuff like that. But yeah, actually not as thrilling as doing a short oval circuit in the in the street stocks at lower level. So in our

29:27opinion, Formula One is perhaps leans too far. How do you change that? Well, you bring up the point that matters the most when we talked about, yeah, you always had demands. Well, yeah, you did. But what were you managing? You had three dials. One of them said your engine was going to blow up. One of them said your oil is going to catch on fire. And the third one said that your brakes were gone or something like that. And you didn't have as much data going to the engineers. So tire management. Are your tires going off? Well, now we have TPMS. We have you can read so much censored data at an engineering level and have a very good idea what the tires are doing so much so that the drivers will ask the engineers. I think I have a flat thing number one. Just get rid of all that howls from the engineers. Sorry guys, I don't want you to lose jobs, but I want you to be cleverly re-employed in some other fashion because making the drivers more responsible for being the sensor that reports to the pit wall or stuff like how are the tires doing? Well, I think that is an obvious

30:30place. You could then make racing more interesting. Because someone might bolt off thinking these aren't going to go. But then you know, are the tires going to go? Well, you're best guys with tires. Guys who like breathe grip, guys who walk across a sidewalk and can tell you exactly how much recording force you would cause you to slip in fall versus make that if you were running full speed. Those guys will be, yeah, no, tires good, tires good, tires are going. I'm getting this, I'm getting that people who weren't quite as in touch with the tires would just go like, yeah, it's good, it's good, it's good. And they're off the circuit or you know, suddenly they're losing seconds a lap. And so it would make that it would bring back, it would resurrect that skill of the driver really being in touch with where the tires are. From a business point of view, if you're Dominic Ali and you're trying to sell the product, say last year, you're trying to sell it to sponsors or attract teams, this is where your your your breakdown of the racing versus management laps really comes into

31:32it because there's an exciting start, maybe a few positions to swap. And then after a three or four laps, it's like a chain and everything kind of settles down and everyone's doing the same lap times. So you're not going to sit there with a chart and go, oh, but watch this slight degradation that we can see towards the end of a pasteries run here. So it makes it harder sell around around around that kind of time. And then you've lost their attention after half an hour and it looks like you've got a product that was super interesting at the start and then just completely tailed away. Yeah, well, I mean this is this is where I really say what you all about Dominic Ali where I mostly take issue with him is his just denigration of the technical side of the sport. I mean, yes, you wouldn't sit there with a chart. I would sit there with a chart, but you know, who would really should be having that information and sitting there with a chart is your TV producers because how else are they going to make this management phase interesting unless they can begin to differentiate through the field while we really think Antonelli's holding everything back. Lewis is on the edge of what he can

32:37it. That's a good point. They don't do it. Yeah, because they don't have the information. Well, they don't give them the information because not even because the teams are saying no, but because F1 has just decided the information is it important for their spectacle? They're just going to sell it on. I'm going to stop there. But the more I think about it, the more gole with GAL, not the prehistoric or not the tribes of France, not the tribes of France, for example. The more gole I have about it because even if you don't want to share it with your audience, which maybe is a business decision, I think is a ridiculous one because why would you close channels down because the people who want that information, the people who've probably followed it the longest and will follow it through thick and thin because what interests them isn't just the who wins and where's the crash. But your TV people have to have this to make the race sound interesting. Why would you keep that information from them? Why wouldn't you invest in it? And

33:38I thought, why do we not have a tracker for region? Oh, region information. Teams won't allow it. Yeah, but you know what's on the back of every car? Yeah, flashing LED light. And surely you could just put all the onboard cameras into an AI that would just flag up where in the lab, each car is where in the car, each where in the lab, each car is doing region. And if you had a battle, then you'd have that information right there. And if not, you'd have a general idea of, oh, Mercedes has its most region at turn seven. A Ferrari is turned 13. So clearly, they're using different energy maps right now. That's a piece of interesting information that will engage any audience. Audience doesn't know anything about anything. But you say, oh, they're using different energy strategies. That's all I need to know. I know that there's something that I need to pay a little more attention to on these two cars. Dominic Harley's quote about all clipping, but most people think clips are something you put in your hair. And so he obviously thinks that most fans that come in would not be interested in that strategic side. And just want

34:41to see race cars go, go room. And I think there's also a side of it that is like, we'd rather it just appear that there happens to organically be this amazing racing, rather than it being controlled by AI power generation or whatever. I think me and me because he doesn't understand it, but I'm sure that he can't. He can't not understand it. There's no way. There's no way. He's history, his things he said before, you know, well, he was a named character in the paddock before he worked for F1. There's just there's no way. There's no way. It's an active choice they've made, and then it's his job to go out and justify it. So obviously he wants to cut down on the race times. He thinks the things he talks about, oh, everyone's got a low attention span. Do you know why they've got low attention span? I know this because people watch the highlights and there's really high numbers on the short highlights. Yes, that's because it's behind paywalls everywhere. And YouTube isn't. That's why it's free. Even people who watch the race might just look at the seven minute highlights because they panic because their show notes aren't good enough. But

35:42it's a way to highlight. And then he's like, well, I spoke to George Lucas who got lucky with a few films in the 70s. Sorry, I don't like Star Wars. But, you know, why don't you George Lucas? How's he an expert in motorsport in any way? And then the comment about the hair clips and clipping, they're clearly coming up from it from an angle of the most profitable thing we've, we think we can go for is appealing to people who really aren't into the technical side because well, again, it's full on TikTok. And I just, I get frustrated with it because from my point of you, why would you, why would you intentionally turn people away? But also his comments are so divisive that they turning us f1 fans against each other because now we're going to argue about that. And Leslie. Yeah. And I just, it also, you know, we were talking on the pre show and everything about about confirmation bias. What he's using and the science he's displaying to me are like, you know, we say you start to believe your own press releases. You start to believe your

36:46own. Hi, you're, you're, you're bodily functions don't smell. And like, no, no, no, actually, thanks. I think you guys need to be extremely worried because the least sticky audience is your brand new people. And there's not it, there's a lot of people in the world. There's not, however, an endless supply of them. And the moment things get quote unquote boring, guess who's going to be the first to go. All right. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Well, we've done our preview. We've, we've had a rant about sports. Sorry. No, no, no, it's fine. Disaster. This is like the fourth preview show you that you've been on where we took us out. I think this time, even it was me that took us away from the preview. It's fine. We're going to cover a little bit of news. I think the only thing that's really massively entertaining in news terms is probably the Ferrari stuff. So, I've got, I think I've got 15 minutes. So what I'd like to say quickly is, oh, so that's been missed. Hey, backspark. No, no, no, I've got a new desk and everything's

37:47slightly different. But this, if you're watching this on YouTube live, I think this is going to be the last live stream we put out in general. It's caused just no end of issues to be honest having. We like to have the the pre show. We're not going to stop jumping online and speaking to all our friends and chatting and having a 10, 15 minute catch up. But then we don't have a finished product at the end. So you know, either re-upload it, then you've got two of the same thing across a channel. We try and edit it and then YouTube sticks and it doesn't do it. And so it's going to sound like I'm putting the live stream behind a paywall. This is not the intention. But we are going to share an unlisted link into our Patreon live stream and then we'll record it there with the patrons in chat and discord. And then we'll upload a separate version. And I think that is probably the most coherent way we can go about it. Of course, co-incidentally, isn't that an incentive and plug to join us at patreon.com forward slash mistakes. I promise it was the

38:49form factor decision first rather than trying to cash grab by understand. It's just this format has caused us no end of no end of bother. So you will be unaffected if you normally watch it back after the show. But what it is is you will always get it so that it starts with you are listening to Misty Banks podcast. We live f1. Matt news Ferrari. What's going on? Well, I mean, what's going on is Ferrari is a dumpster fire of dealing with, oh, so this is what it means when I actually went a championship. And we talked about it. We talked about it. We talked about it in terms of the Leclerc Hamilton dynamic. We talked about it in terms of Vessour. And as much as I hate to endorse what I will call f1 mainstream media narratives, the media narrative is very much all about Ferrari, what should Ferrari do, etc. and so on. And it's really hard to argue with that. So I did that thing. I love to do. I made it chart. And what I looked at was a

39:52distance between Antonelli to Lewis and Lewis to Leclerc. And I won't read all of the numbers, but going back to Silverstone, he was 39 behind Lewis, Antonelli, and 30 to a head of Leclerc. Russell was only 25 behind Antonelli there. And by time we get to Zanvort, they're already giving him explicit orders to get out of Kimmy's way because we need to win a championship. My point here being simply that Lewis has been closer to Antonelli and farther from Leclerc. And Ferrari has not gotten its thumb out, so to speak. And they need to grapple with that as a team and as a structure because this isn't 10 years ago. This isn't, you know, Fernando is faster than new territory anymore. This, the engineering is so tight. These margins can no longer be ignored. And I keep on bringing up for stop and last year, but I'm bringing up for stop and last year for

40:53a reason, like Ferrari, it was there. And now we hear that maybe Mercedes is bringing an engine update this season. And I say to you, Ferrari, have you thrown this all away? Your baddest target was the last races, any races you get before this engine upgrade, which is the triple header with Baku. And maybe it's done then. You had a chance, you could have gotten Lewis close, you could have more pressure on Mercedes. Point wise. And yeah, this is it. Even if it wasn't practical, you're suddenly having to look over their shoulder because, oh, man, we're fighting a lead driver based team. This is like a, the staff in scenario here. And so yeah, that puts pressure on Antonelli. You could have, when that gap was what, did you say it was 26 or something to 29, Antonelli? If at that point, you're saying, yeah, if at that point, you say, right, Charles, like run your own race. But if you find yourself ahead of Hamilton faster than you in any scenario, like faster strategy

41:56or just close the gap to you, we're just going to do a team order, let him buy that doesn't stop you running your race. All it stops you doing is actively fighting each other, actively fighting Lewis, like ghost past each other. So we're not even at the point yet where we're not even at the point yet where you say, right, swap the order in an even race. So, yeah, they're fourth and fifth, five seconds apart. And the next step up is, okay, Charles, it's the end of the race. Duckback, let Lewis go. We're going to give him the points. Cheers, buddy. So, you know, that first step is just don't make things actively worse. And so at the moment, it feels like the saw, he made that comment of, well, it was too early. If you look at Piazdry last year, you know, what would you have back Piazdry last year? And then you go, it's too late now, though, you're not saying it's too early. Now it's far, far, far too late. Statistically, I want to hit that argument because they didn't back him. Therefore, this is all hypothetical. But you could easily argue had they backed Piazdry early in the season, he would have won. I think that, I think you could make that argument.

42:57How'd you say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's not change the. Don't bother bringing the Norris updates, spend it all making the car more for exactly. Yeah. So right off, there is an argument there. Nice try Fred, but we see through you. Here we go. A couple of more steps. Sorry, so you've got the don't actively get in the way that feels like. Yeah. How have they not all lost him points? Don't drive him off the track. If he leaves you room on the outside of turn one, don't then ram him off into. Right. Right. So here we go. Gap to look gap, gap, gap to Antonelli, starting with Silverstone, 32, Hungry, 45, Zanvort, 50, 59 after spa, and after Italy, like 84, it just just like you can see the last two races, how suddenly it just jumps and jumps again, and it's a stop stop. So I may have done some of that math wrong because it was a spreadsheet and very very quickly, but the idea is you can see this gap between Antonelli and Hamilton accelerate over the last two races. And it's really look work, not just costing in points for no

43:59reason, costing in points for no reason. And that is what I think Lewis is really most incensed about. And I think anyone with half a brain would be like, yeah, okay, I get it, but you do understand that if you treat Lewis like this this year, next year, if you're leading, guess what he's not going to do. He's going to cost you points. And I'm going to guess Lewis is probably pretty good at that because I saw him in 2007 drive Alonzo around the bend. I'm not sure it would be the same now, but yeah, if they'd have gone, you know, the full of the staff and route, there's other things you could have done as well. So this is why it's hard to do this with LeCluck because they've always seen him as a superstar driver, but I would never have had a Hamilton and a LeCluck together anyway. This is Hamilton Behrman, for example, Hamilton Behrman. Yeah. Wow, Hamburg is easy. It's easy. It's easy to do, guys. When we get to this point in the season mathematically, yes, you both might still have a chance, but this being modern, F1, we're going to put our money on one horse unless there's something

45:03unusual that happens. It occurs, like suddenly somebody totally loses a form. And we don't care which driver it is every season. This will be the rule. We just ask you to then at that point, agree to not cost your teammate. Other points. When we get to this mathematical point number two, we actively ask you to give them extra points that you would otherwise have had. And everybody understands you're doing that and helping your teammate out at that point. And you both agree to these rules other than that, go raise, have fun, and don't cost each other points or the team. If there's no, how hard is that? First person shooter. And there's those squad, squad things where everyone's got different strengths. Oh, even like World of Warcraft. You know, I quite like being a medic or a healer. You get a completely different side of the game and you have to do different things and it can make the difference. So I think like being a fully employed Goon number two, I'm sure I've said it before, it feels like a really satisfying job. You know, you get in there and you go, right, my job in qualifying is it's all about the number one driver. And I get bonuses based

46:05on how the number one driver does, by the way. So you go, okay, I'm going to tow them. So imagine if Hamilton had a tow like the staff and every single time, every single race where it's useful, you have a tow. If I'm looking like I'm actually generally the quicker car, you go, oh yeah, just got to back off in that final corner. Just make sure I don't go ahead of them in the race. Or if I am ahead of them in the race, actually, that's even better because I can go and get ahead of the guys in front and hold them, hold them up. You know, there's a lot that you can do. You're not going to, they're not going to give those orders to the club, but the very, very, very minimum. Why on earth is Charles Leclerc free to just to shove to shove Hamilton out of the way when he's technically still in a, in a championship fight is, and the fact that Hamilton had came out in the press and said, no, no, there's, there's no rules of combat at all. Were they relying on Leclerc to be to just like take that upon himself? Because the clerk is a, a, a, a low percentage driver. Like his high performance driver, even at the expense of that sometimes being a catastrophic

47:05fail. So he's, he's crashed a lot. He's had a lot of incidents. And but the brilliant bits in between are brilliant. You didn't think that situation needed manager. And it's like the whole of the press. Everybody is going, obviously at this point, back Lewis Hamilton and Fred's there going, not yet. No, no, no, no. It was just like a do nothing. Was he crippled with fear? Because it's like, how, how has he dithered to this point without thinking about the drivers? Yeah. And you do get the impression I kind of get is for whatever reason. This wasn't part of the Ferrari org chart. And so there's someone somewhere who's been saying, well, we've done it this way for generations. It will continue to be done this way. That may or may not even have been Vesore making a conscious decision to be like, it's going to be this way. It's not going to be this way. But you do, you have to clarify between the drivers. And do we want papaya rules I don't know. I mean, we had a lot of fun arguing about papaya rules. So maybe we on the show do

48:06because it would be, you know, lots of good free content for us. It's fun. Even if I'm running a race team, I need my drivers on the same page with regards to how they treat each other. Yeah. And I think that could be no mercy. I don't care if you take your both yourselves out. Or it could be like, if you even get within a meter of each other's wheel, I will bench you for a month, you know, kind of thing. It doesn't matter. But they need to be racing from the same playbook. And it's very clear that the Ferrari culture playbook. And, you know, maybe we look at the signs, the signs look like battles for some priors. Very, very different to what Lewis had at Mercedes. And it needs, it needs homogenizing between the two drivers. And he's really, really of all the things you could say. He's entirely right about that. And as a caveat, this, by the way, isn't me just saying, LeClerc is the worst person in the world. Very clearly that's how they race at Ferrari. That's how they've always raised it for a re and that's above his pay grade, so to speak,

49:08in terms of sorting it out. You can't have an effect of from your own team be your biggest hurdle. What's the biggest obstacle right now? These biggest obstacle is his own team mate. Because if you think about being held up in SanVort, you know, that LeClerc would have picked his strategy to some extent. Did he, did he, did he, did he figure what Lewis was going to do? Did his side of the garage start seeing, oh, Hamilton's going to be able to go a bit longer and get a tire of overspeed. Our way of messing with that is just make, hang on for a little bit longer until he catches it. And let's just make sure that, you know, we, we, we, we chunk away at that. You know, things like that, but no, it just goes out of the way, never on each other off. He didn't just make this thing saying, oh, but when it was 15 years ago, you were all making jokes about it and funding it funny. And now you're surprised that Lewis's comments, I'm like, yeah, 15 years ago, it was funny. It's not funny now for very obvious reasons. Does this sport change? The engineers are so on top of everything. What else? Because Lewis said,

50:11yeah, but, but it really has changed. You can't, the idea you could fight your teammate like that. And that was part of the DNA of the sport or whatever ridiculousness they're going to argue. Well, no, the sport has changed enough that that isn't the case anymore. If you want someone to win and it's going to be close, if we're not talking, you know, Mercedes 2014 kind of dominance, yeah, you no longer have the margins you used to have. And I think the drivers and the team seem to be a bit slow to catch up on it. And, you know, from what we would call optics or PR point of view, it's also problematic because people have this glorious, romantic vision of the past. But it's always of championships where one team had a big advantage, then the two drivers could fight out. You know, this is not a multi-team. There was, there was at various points, like four drivers from three different teams who were legitimately in with the shot, if you include Norris, at various points. So I mean, literally, like, look, dude, get me mathematically over the line as soon as possible. You went everything after that. Yeah. I will give you. I will literally just say,

51:14oh, no, my car. I need to pit. I don't care. I want to hold my hand at the Met Gala. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I think, yeah, we have the clerk's got to think of his reputation. He's got to, he hasn't been told anything. So I think if you were a clerk fan, you'd be going, well, why have you just capitulated? Why have you rolled over? And I think didn't Barrakello get a lot of stick from Brazilian fans for being like, why have you yielded to Schumacher? Why are you being his number two? Why are you following those orders? You got to see it from the clerk side as well. I'm actually out of time, Matt. So we'll see everybody on Sunday, 7 p.m. I know a bit tight today. 7 p.m. on Sunday. We're going to be live with the clown prince of chaos, Christian Pederson, to review the inaugural, not the inaugural, inaugural, inaugural, madering, a grompry. So I'm looking forward to the drama. I hope everyone gets through it safe. And I'm going to actually try and watch the support races as well, because I think there's guaranteed chaos. And maybe they don't even get through the running order and the schedules

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