Sine Waves, Secret Hires & CoolantClear 3 Already in the Works

Both hosts open on the same diagnosis: the sine wave problem. Michael keeps bouncing between B2B proposal mode and Shopify e-commerce focus, and whichever one he's in, the other declines. Matt's seeing the same pattern smooth out slightly as style guides and brand kits he built over three months start coming back to him from the team — nearly finished, almost no edits needed. When the tools work, the founder stops being the bottleneck. Both are trying to get there faster.

On the sales and marketing side, Matt teases a major hire he can't fully announce yet — a dedicated marketing and sales role that's been in the works quietly and is close to being inked. It's the move he's been circling for over a year, and it changes the commercial structure of Develop significantly. Michael, meanwhile, moves email marketing entirely from HubSpot to Klaviyo to break the contact list ceiling, debates whether to build email flows there or inside Gim Command before September, and gets talked off a bad IMTS booth partnership by Matt in real time. The two also go long on what Gimbel Automation actually is — CNC accessories ecosystem or something else — in one of the most strategic conversations the podcast has had.

Engineering covers CoolantClear 3 already in prototype — with a production prototype that solves every install issue from versions one and two — and a machine at a customer site approaching one million units processed in four months. Matt pulls data on what 98.5% versus 99.4% reliability actually does to customer perception, and both hosts dig into why customers obsess over cycle time while ignoring in-process probing that prevents crashes. The episode closes with Develop building toward running without Matt by end of 2027, Michael flying to Maui for a corporate retreat, and a frank admission that the number to sell either company would have to be so absurd it's basically not worth thinking about.