Shane Legg (DeepMind Founder) — 2028 AGI, superhuman alignment, new architectures
About this episode
I had a lot of fun chatting with Shane Legg - Founder and Chief AGI Scientist, Google DeepMind!
We discuss:
* Why he expects AGI around 2028
* How to align superhuman models
* What new architectures needed for AGI
* Has Deepmind sped up capabilities or safety more?
* Why multimodality will be next big landmark
* and much more
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Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Measuring AGI
(0:11:41) - Do we need new architectures?
(0:16:26) - Is search needed for creativity?
(0:19:19) - Superhuman alignment
(0:29:58) - Impact of Deepmind on safety vs capabilities
(0:34:03) - Timelines
(0:41:24) - Multimodality
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