Saturday Snack Shack w/ Blackbird9, September 12, 2026

0:00When I was a little boy around the table at home, I remember very well and company would come. I would have to be right still until the whole crowd went. My mom always said to me, Jim, take a tater and wait. Now, taters never did taste good for chicken on the plate, but I had to eat them just the same. That is why I looked so bad and had these puny ways, because I always had to take an old cold tater and wait. Oh, it is Saturday, September 12, 2026, and time for another edition of Blackbird Non-Saturday Snack Shack.

1:00I'm your host, Frederick C. Blackburn. I'd like to welcome you to the Trading Post this evening. I hope everyone's having a wonderful Saturday and a wonderful weekend. Tonight's episode is episode 189, and is entitled, Noticing Patterns about the 25th anniversary of 9-11, with Mr. Stephen Douglas Whitener. So we're very pleased to have our good friend Mr. Stephen Douglas Whitener back with us tonight. A quick shout out to Thought Criminal and Breakfast Club Pathfinder, Mr. Alfred Schaeffer. He's still in the German chicken shack, Echo Echo, and that is an outrage. So be sure to drop him a line and let him know we're thinking about him. I just put his current address in the chat room, so be sure to check that out. And shout out to Mr. Richard Carey for having me on last night's Beyond the Official Narratives, Special 9-11 anniversary show. I think this, I was either the second one or the third one we did. So we had a really good time with that, covered a lot of territory. Shout out to Mr. Patrick Schnell and Mr. Mossad Mike for helping out last night

2:02with the Friday night punchball. We did an impromptu step in on that. We had a good time, so be sure to check that show out. Now for the newbies, Mr. Stephen Douglas Whitener, his fellow RBN host and does the Saturday morning, Thought Crime Live show. And the Rebel and the Renegade Roundtable with Mike Gatty late night on Sunday nights, right after my Breakfast Club Revisited show, is a long time friend of the show and can often be seen drinking coffee at the Confederate corner down there at the Dixie Republic and Traveler's Reth South Cacolacky. Now, this is listener sponsored radio. You're not going to hear a show like this on any of the Mockingbird Networks, that's for sure. So be sure to support RBN. You can support RBN by calling 1-800-724-2719 or 512-246-9549 or go out to the website at republicbroadcasting.org or simply mail it in at RBN-2251.

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4:05And as always, you can come out to the chat room at BB9 Trading Post Dutch Tango.com. That's BB9 Trading Post Dutch Tango.com. For the hottest news, the Dankus memes and the best tips on independent living, come out to BB9 Trading Post Dutch Tango.com. The sun never sets on the North Cackle-Aki Trading Post Chat room. But if you're looking for a knife fight, we just assume you go somewhere else. Now, I want to want Mr. Steven Douglas Whitener to talk about tonight, considering the 25th anniversary of 9-11. The weather? Remember how on 9-11, 2001, Hurricane Aaron, a level 3 hurricane, was positioned just 500 miles east of New York. How much of a harp weaponized weather nudge would have taken to crank it up to a category 5 and bring it ashore? Sort of like what they did to us here in the Appalachia Mountains a few years ago with Hurricane Helene. Was this hurricane weather anomaly part of the kosher nostras gangster stand down or else gambit,

5:11along with the rumored nukes armed with launch codes that ensured no one did anything to stop the 9-11 synagogue of Satan's script from playing out as planned by those war game theory planners until a wave like Robert J. Almond? Or maybe he'll want to talk about the elk report official North Gakalaki elk report spotter EX-96. That's echo X-ray 96 reporting. No elk spotted on Blackjack Mountain today. Repeat no elk spotted on Blackjack Mountain today. Now, I did see that yesterday marked the 25th anniversary of 9-11. Or as I call it, the defy the laws of physics day. And I saw that all those mocking bird media propagandists from Fox News to the out of state, Adams Publish, you know, and Wattaga Democrat echo echo echo were definitely earning their 30 pieces of silver by pushing the kosher approved version of 9-11 narrative. While carefully ignoring all those inconvenient hate facts, that might break the Black Magic Hypnotic spell of the illusion.

6:13I saw that the media magicians focused their heart string tugging emotional narrative on the 9-11 survivors and the 9-11 heroes, just like with the Black Magic spell of the Holocaust and COVID-19. As all good goam accept that like with the holohoaks and COVID-19, the sciences settled on 9-11 and only crazy friends conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites question it. So there is no longer any need to explain away all those physics define anomalies that happened that day back in 2001. I saw that all the unit 8200 inspired you brain AI engines from Braves AI to open AI's chat gpt to ex's groc had learned the Mercura law lessons well and answered all questions about 9-11 with the pill pull and transigence of a New York rabbi talking to an unclean ignorant goam. I saw how the new Pearl Harbor of 9-11 was used to shred the US Constitution with the Patriot Act and justify going to war with Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in early 2003.

7:21I saw how the same arguments are now being made 25 years later to just fine-stalling flock cameras and palliative data centers everywhere in the land of the not so free as we used to be and to just fine-staffed going to war with Iran now, but I didn't see any elk this concede concludes the North cacolacaden wildlife resource commission elk spotted transmission or maybe he'll want to talk about the official narrative of 9-11 which was physically impossible and how Sir author Conan Doyle's great detective character Sherlock Holmes said that when you have eliminated the impossible. Whatever remains however improbable must be the truth so who had the motive who had the means who had the opportunity and most importantly key bono who benefit unfortunately when it comes to answering these questions many of us in the 9-11 truth community quickly discovered that uptoncinclair was spot on when he observed that it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon him not

8:28understanding it or maybe he'll want to talk about the long game goals of Jewish supremacist zavitize heavy Jacob Frank Meyer and Michelle Rothschild theater or heart so the Israeli lecude party of monocle bag and an aerial sharon to permanently kill the two state solution with Palestine and establish greater Israel from the Nile River to the Euphrates by any means necessary because when it comes to holy war the ends justify the means especially the noble lie of Leo Strauss or maybe he'll want to talk about own inns 1982 paper a strategy for Israel in the 1980s Benjamin Netanyahu's 1986 book terrorism how the West can win Richard pearls 1996 paper a clean break a new strategy for securing the realm or Philip Zalakaz 1998 paper catastrophic terrorism tackling the new danger and the transformative event and how all of these learned chicken swing or works have the common theme of using force to balkanize all Arab nations in the Middle East and establish greater Israel as the sole remaining superpower or maybe he'll want to talk about how Jewish trotskyites like Richard Pearl Irving and Bill Crystal Paul Wolfowitz Douglas V all cut their hair put on suits and took over the Republican party in the 1990s as Neo conservatives or the Neocons

9:50and would establish their Zionist NGO think tank the project for the new American century or P-NAC in 1997 isn't it interesting that they're rebuilding America's defenses paper say that achieving their objectives would require a catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor exactly one year before 9-11 or maybe he'll want to talk about how Jeffrey Epstein bought his New York townhouse next door to Howard Lutnik in 1992 then bought the Zora Ranch in 1993 then bought little St. James Island in 1998 and how all of these properties were wired with very sophisticated hidden surveillance systems that recorded everything that went on wasn't it nice to form with Rayleigh Prime Minister a who Barack the mastermind who solved 9-11 on the BBC before the towers had even fallen to visit Jeffrey Epstein so often apparently he visited Epstein just almost as much as Alan Dershwin less than the wicksner and Bill Clinton or maybe he'll want to talk about friend of Epstein and little leader express frequent fire President Bill Clinton who would appoint general Michael Hayden who was best buddies with Michael Chertoff

11:02to head the NSA in March 1999 and how General Hayden set up all the illegal electronic surveillance on American soil before 9-11 with a special back door to Israel's unit 8-200 as revealed by Mr. Edward Snowden in 2013. Remember when we finally exposed it in general Hayden tried to gaslight us on the Fourth Amendment in 2006 that it was all about reasonable searches and seizures and had nothing to do with probable cause. Of course rather than rounding up all these spy and telco traders President George W. Bush pardoned them all in 2008 and called them the heroes of 9-11 who stepped up. Or maybe he'll want to talk about October 12, 2000 attack of the USS Colt that killed 17 sailors and injured 39 others and introduced the world to the new boogie man known as Osama bin Laden and the radical Muslim group Al Qaeda or the base or the toilet and was commanded by hardcore Zionist Jew Kirk Leapold interesting that FBI agent John P. O. Niel's investigating it pointed to the Israeli Mossad but senior leader of the West Bank of America.

12:14But senior FBI agent Dale Watson along with all the Jews at the US State Department insisted that it was al Qaeda that attacked the USS Colt. FBI agent Dale Watson had previously done the non investigation of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and one year later would be in charge of the non investigations of the 9-11 attacks and the anthrax attacks. John P. O. Niel would be would leave the FBI over this incident and would die in the world trade centers on 9-11 after he took a job as a security head for Larry Silverstein. Dale Watson would leave the FBI in 2002 to take a senior executive position at Booz Allen Hamilton echo echo echo. Before maybe you want to talk about US Secretary of Defense and P. N. Niel member Donald Rumpsfeld who announced the day before 9-11 that $2.3 trillion was unaccounted for at the Pentagon while hardcore Zionist rabbi Doves the Kim was the Pentagon comptroller but all those accounting records would be destroyed the next day on 9-11.

13:18rabbi Doves the Kim would leave the Pentagon in 2004 to take a senior vice president position at Booz Allen Hamilton echo echo echo. Or maybe you want to talk about the 2001 anthrax attack letters that said death to America, death to Israel, Aula is great. That were sent to US politicians and journalists that pushed through the passing of Michael Chertoff and Marcus Wolff's Constitution shredded shredding Patriot Act. That were later to discover that were later discovered to contain weaponized anthrax from the US lab at Fort Dietrich and not from anywhere in the rack or anywhere in the Middle East. Even though hardcore Zionist Philip Zach had been caught on security cameras entering the facility in 1992 after he had been fired for racist attacks on Muslim co workers, aided by fellow hardcore Zionist Dr. Miriam K. Rippy echo echo echo. The FBI under Dale Watson did not investigate Dr. Philip Zach at all but instead focused their investigations first on Dr. Stephen Hatfeld and later on Dr. Bruce Ivens who was suicide in 2008.

14:24After that the anthrax was never mentioned again in 9-11 Memorials or maybe he'll just want to talk about fishing. So welcome back to the snack shack Mr. Stephen Douglas Whitener and tell me good sir what do you want to talk about considering the 25th anniversary of the 9-11 suspend the laws of physics day. What do you want to talk about welcome. I guess a couple of things for every thanks for having me at by the way I've been it's been an RBN Saturday. I'm glad to be here the only one that's going to be better if it was like over a cup of coffee at the Dixie Republic like you alluded to when we started and I was going to start by with something here someone that called this morning and mentioned that they thought what happened was that the plane really liquefied when it hit the trade center and since then I looked up asked how much would an aluminum bullet how fast would it have to be going to liquefile in the impact to steel. And so the planes were supposed and it wasn't a bullet either it was a you know a tube.

15:27I'll know there right yeah it would have to be doing 30 up 1300 95 almost 1400 meters a second or roughly a mark 4.1 oh gosh that's I can't see miles per hour but that's like 4.5 4.5 177 feet per second I it's the mark 4.4 that's for mark 4.1 you know you're not over less than mock one it supposedly went hit so it have to be at least 4.1 times more faster to do that and this is a bullet too. So I don't think it happened that way sorry I just I somewhat brought that up earlier and I had since investigated that and I wanted to ask how you what your story of finding out about now you may have told it before but I don't remember exactly how you told what happened when you found out what happened what you were doing at the time it happened what you were recollection of the day was actually I've heard of the things today so yeah.

16:29What's upon a time I was living the American dream I had the successful business I had a farm I had a home I had a lovely wife everything was I was making stupid money I was designing and consulting in the telecommunication industry my political career I was the rising star of the party I was head of my local county priest or. District there I was running for office in North Carolina as a congress critter I was a delegate to the convention and then 9.11 happened and it all changed 9.11 was the change the world right and basically as I was training I was basically I had been approached by this company global knowledge. I was a college out of Kerry North Carolina to develop a set of class classes and labs for them that were going to be sold to not only the telcos and the I Internet service providers and the cell phone companies etc and the manufacturers but also law enforcement state governments the FBI the CIA the NSA military intelligence etc.

17:56Because what we were trying to do was called convergence we were going to up to you 2000 there was the telephone network and then there were the computer networks and it was the never the two shall meet right and so the idea was we were going to combine everything into the Internet so we do voice over IP this was the radical idea that we would start doing telephone calls not as circuit switch networks anymore but packet switch networks. Everything would be going the voice data text email video everything was going to be going over the same networks and this is what we have and there by takes it for granted now but it wasn't always like this and before 9.11 one of the things that when I went to the NSA and said okay well here's the classes. The first red flag was I said to them I'm assuming that you're going to want the E1 version of my class because basically not to get to technical but in the communication world at the time there was T1 signaling that was used by the United States and Japan every other country in the world did E1 signaling like echo one signaling and it's basically how many channels you could do that.

19:20So I said that's not the only thing that I could do is to have through the pipe right and so T1 signaling you had 24 channels E1 signaling you had 32 channels right and I just assume that because of the church with the church committee had come up with in the 70s that the NSA was never ever ever ever to spy on the US soil again they were strictly to put there and 10 is out to the rest of the world. So by contacts and no we want the T1 version and I'm like okay so basically you're telling me that you're going to be using this to sweep up you know information on domestic calls so that was the first big red flag and then one of the things about communication networks everything was so siloed everything was so compartmentalized but because I was moving between the and everybody you know the NSA the CIA the telcos like AT&T you know MCI motorola and also the contractors like ran corporation miter general dynamics you name it you know I was in their training that man I just saw that they were setting up this network that was going to be

20:45basically exploiting the weaknesses of a system that Bill Clinton put into place in 1996 called the Kalea act and it was the communication act for law enforcement that was basically going to give law enforcement a back door into every piece of communication gear to fight the war on drugs that's how it was sold and basically they were using that to sweep up everything and so I was you know basically trying to tell my political colleagues that this is bigger than the church committee this is yeah but nobody really could understand what I was saying then I realized just how Jewish controlled all the political parties were and I quickly became a target of this guy is asking you talking about the wrong things we need to shut him up and shut him down so I went from being heroizing star to everybody in the party threatening to kill me now and this was before you know not 11 so suddenly I'm making you know enemies where I should be making friends it's like no you don't

21:58understand the NSA is going rose you already noticed the way the antennas pointed basically right and this was the general Michael Hayden which way that echo is that that's right yeah yeah and if you're from me with the echelon program basically I was doing echelon work on the internet it's basically the same thing you're sweeping up everything that echelon did but we were doing it with packet networks now and the second red flag was part of my modules was I always talked about whichever country I was in the communication laws right that you know you hear the technology but here is the legal ramifications so you don't want to get in trouble with your local governments whatever and I talked about things like the Pfizer courts having to get you know warrants etc and also just the fundamentals of the fourth amendment well that basically

23:01cause confusion for all those best and brightest 20 somethings I was teaching and so I was told I needed to remove that module out of my classes because and I was being told repeatedly that that does apply to us we in the intelligence world can take anything from anybody anywhere and again this was before none 11 what that means what the fourth amendment means what the Pfizer means is we just can't use what we find in a court of us law and I'm like who what do you pill pull all your head you've been talking to Alan Dershowitz or John you right and it's like you're basically how to totally get around the fourth amendment and the church senate hearings that established the Pfizer courts by telling these intelligence people that that's what that means now and so they were just okay that's what you know what we're doing we're sweeping up on everything we just can't use this in law

24:06and then the next big red flag was of course after 9 11 and I wasn't the only one out there saying that the NSA is doing this there was a guy who had a very successful independent telco called quest and his name was Joseph Nacho and he went on record that said if you know February of 2001 way before 9 11 that he was being forced by the NSA to comply with all of this illegal spawning he was refusing to do it and they basically took him out suddenly he was faced with all these insider trading law violations etc they're just going to we're going to destroy your business and we're going to destroy you and they ended up putting him in a hole and he finally much later after 9 11 you know after many many retries finally was found not guilty that he never did anything long begin with but they had completely weaponized the law system legal system against him to take him out because he wasn't going along with everybody right

25:12and the other thing I was noticing was there were every class you know in every company the heads of the class were alumni of Israel's unit 8200 or the taupea programs right what are the odds yeah it's like why do we end up suddenly all that stuff in the eighties and nineties where we're going to break up my bell and I thought that was a good thing that you know yes we couldn't have monopolies and America it's all about free industry it's like no that was all about taking control away from waspa America because AT&T was about as white Christian male as you could get and they said we got to bust that up and then we're going to start up all these companies and we're going to put all these unit 8200 trained Jews and charge of them right and so every place I go it was like a unit 8200 alumni got in charge of everything

26:13and the next big red flag was of course after 911 the event that changed everything right guess how many changes I had to do to my classes absolutely zero they were designed as they wanted I should have had to completely rewrite everything we're in you know war you know it's going to be up all night again tonight rewriting this you know because we got change everything because we're on a war fitting and it's like no everything was ready to go and then you know find out that it was being used on me you know I was being hung by the stuff I was designing that my phones were being tapped etc and that they were basically getting the case for me to blacklist me and right before the Iraq war in February 2003 I was supposed to go do a two week class for naval intelligence in San Diego and went to get my itinerary the weekend before and I was locked out of my account so I called the you know my guy there in tech support said I'm for whatever

27:25reason I can't get into my account y'all sorry mr. Blightman blah blah and we said and suddenly he comes back on the funny he's just totally dead panties like you've got to call the vice president of instructor services and I'm like okay now I had just met with this woman jute New York jute right back in the fall and designed five years had a five year contract of all this stuff I was going to design for him because we were starting to do training classes over the internet with video conferencing and whiteboard over the internet etc and all these plans you know I'll hit sign a five year contract and I was just I was making them so much money and they everybody all my students love me and my classes right and suddenly I'm you know talking to the wicket which of the west who's just as cold as she could be it's like your services are no longer needed and I'm like you know I have a contract where she says well outlast you in court and I talked to my lawyer and they're like yeah basically North Carolina they can fire you if they want

28:32to you know your contract doesn't mean squat and I'm like oh that's good to know and uh we both live in right not the work states we call yeah you know so um but you know my first you know my arrogant response was you know if people are always calling me to say can you do this can you do that right my phone was always ringing suddenly my phone stopped ringing because I was like well I just got to work for your competition and it's like well that's not going to happen because I've done messed up and then in March that's when the invasion of a rack started so anyway there's the music you are listening to blackboard non-scierties snack shack our special guest tonight Mr. Steven Douglas Whitener and we will be back after these messages for the win

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33:26Oh, well, Rodney, we are back. You're listening to Blackbird Non-Saturday Snack Shack, our special guest tonight is Mr. Stephen Douglas Whiter. And we're discussing the 25th anniversary of the DeFi, the laws of physics day known as 9-11. But before we get back to him, just want to remind you that this is listener sponsored radio. Please, please, please, if you still have means, please support RBN and RBN sponsors. Keep this network on the air. You're not going to hear programming like this on any of the Mockingbird Networks, that's for sure. All right, we're going to open up the network or the open up the phone lines now. So if you want to call in and tell us what you want to talk about, you can call in at

34:26512-248-8252. That's 512-248-8252 or toll free 1-800-313-9443. That's 1-800-313-9443. All right, Mr. Stephen, before we are rudely caught up by the break, please continue with what you were saying. Well, you were basically, well, you had said you were getting red pills, even before 9-11. So you were starting to see that pattern of surveillance and all that, even before that happened. I just wondered what were you doing on 9-11? How was your experience of how that day went? How did you find out and stuff? I was just curious about that. I've heard a lot of other people describe that there, there, there, there, I just wondered how yours went. Yeah, well, I was at home on my farm having a lovely cup of coffee with my lovely wife when our kitty cats and I got a phone call from a good friend of mine and said, you know,

35:35I have you watch the news and I'm like, no, we were just having a quiet morning and I hadn't turned any, I hadn't even turned the computer on yet. And she was like, you need to turn on the news. So I turned on CNN. This is what a lib tart I was at the time, but I was still believing CNN and the BBC were the end all be all and NPR, of course, were the end all be all, you know, good, solid news you could trust. And that was, you know, when the towers, they were just, you know, the first plane had it and then just very quickly after that, the so called second plane, you know, that's what I was shown, you know, about that magic box and that's the thing about data. It's, you know, I was, this is all hearsay, you know, anything you still, that television is hearsay, you did not have direct experience. I wasn't there watching the skies myself.

36:36So the images I saw on that magic box was the second plane and, you know, it was just like, okay, and then is the day went on that, you know, later on the afternoon is when World Trade Center, you know, I immediately got online and this is when I was, you know, I started listening to people like Alex Jones and, you know, that sort of thing. So I was like looking at the information boards and a lot of the stuff, this was still dial up mode. I'm sort of checking all the different billboards and such. And, you know, it's like everybody was chatting, chatting, chatting. And then they showed building seven and, you know, well, when the towers came down, my first reaction when I saw the, you know, push out was thinking they're using percussive

37:43charges to smother the fire. That's where, you know, one of those fire fighting techniques where you use a percussive charge to basically blow it out. But then it's like, well, it pushed and before I could even say they're using percussive charges, you just saw everything collapse. And I'm like, it can't happen that way. Unless, you know, there are other accelerators, you know, some type of demolition going on. Then when building seven collapsed at free fall speed that hadn't been hit by anything, I was just, oh, hell, no. You know, something is definitely going on here. And then they started talking about the magic cell phone calls that these people on the planes had called from their cell phones and they made a point to say cell phones, you know, the Todd Beamer, he was at 30,000 feet going eight zillion miles an hour. And he was, you know, three minute cell phone calls that are staying up.

38:49And I'm just like, you know, my head's exploding going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it doesn't happen. That can't happen because the way 2001 cell phone calls worked, you know, with the one cell phone towers are designed to go out, not up. So just the altitude you'd be out of range, then the setup, you know, you couldn't even keep a cell phone call up going down I 40, you know, when as soon as you lost the one cell phone tower, you had set the call up on it would drop the call and you would have to reestablish the call with the next cell phone tower. If you were moving that fast in the plane, the whole time you would just be setting up and tearing down the phone call, you know, it would never be able to establish a voice channel to do a two minute call because you would spend your whole time with the metadata. I mean, where am I talking about the metadata? Oh, yes. The metadata was the hand shake of cell phones to establish your phone with the tower

39:54and figure out exactly where you are and give you a channel and then attach you to the network, right? And notice they never ever gave us the metadata of the calls. They just said, oh, you know, they made the phone calls and then of course, Barbara Olson, we eat Barbara Olson, you know, going into the Pentagon, same thing. She made multiple calls from her cell phones. Then we, you know, when we finally, you know, later on, we finally convinced everybody that cell phones are not going to work. So that's when they switched the story to say, oh, did we say cell phones? We meant to say the air phones that they were using the seat back phones on the plane. And that worked for a bit. But then somebody pointed out that, well, yes, the United Plains had air phones, but the American Plains did not have air phones, right?

40:57So when they did the Moussawi trial in 2006, they had to basically remove all mention of the calls because they couldn't have happened. So like the Barbara Olson call, basically the FBI, you know, PowerPoint presentation said one call was attempted zero seconds. And you know, these calls were what established the narrative of, you know, the hijackers with the box cutters, the radical Muslim hijackers. And that's how they got the story into the public consciousness. And we're saying they're going, those phone calls could not have happened. And what's interesting now is they have backstopped to say once again that, oh, well, actually the American flights did have air phones. And suddenly there are all these work orders that basically put those phones on those planes,

42:00even though at the time we had established with the airlines and Dr. Ray Griffin did some great work on this. He was one of the early 9-11 truth. There's a lot of really good books on what really happened. And you know, we at the time we had established that the American phones planes did not have the air phones. But now if you ask GROC or any of the AI's, they will swear up and down that the calls were made with the air phones to get around this, the physical inspossibility of the cell phone calls. So that was the big thing for me that this is just wrong. And then watching Donald Rumsfeld running around the Pentagon, helping the rescue workers for the photo op. And it's like, you are the secretary of defense. You should be in the skip on the red phone right now.

43:06And so that was just the big things for me. And this is not going like protocol. And then the thing like George Bush in the classroom, secret service should have yanked him up by the air and bodily threw him into the car and got him out of there because he was target number one at a publicly disclosed event. And so in Sherlock Holmes terms, the dog bit and bark. His secret service knew that he was not in danger and did not escalate it. That is the dog didn't bark. And it's like, this is wrong. They just kept getting rotten and rotten as the week went on. I remember him reading that thing, you know, coming up with his ear. The pet guy. Yeah. The goat. Yeah. Oh man. And they're spelling the words. And what not. Oh, just it's like some kind of freaky magic spell or something.

44:08It's crazy. And they would have the children's freedom. They wouldn't have acted anything like that. Go ahead. Yeah. The children chanting the steel kite must because those were the words of the day. Rod is the planes were hitting. And then Andrew Card comes over and tells him, you know, the planes just hit the penning on. And then he comes on and lies about it saying that we were there was a television there. We were watching the first plane hit the tower. And it's like nobody saw the first plane at the tower. What are you talking about? There was no supposedly no video released until the next day of the guy that was fired apart. Exactly. The French company that was doing a film that slowly caught it. That was a memory served or a dead. You got access to cameras. Nobody else can see. Yeah. And the other thing, you know, with the Pentagon, you know, having worked at the Pentagon and around that area, there are more cameras around the Pentagon than you can imagine every

45:12place, every poll has a camera on it, right? And suddenly it's like no video footage is released. The FBI went in and confiscated. He went to the gas stations and confiscated. Yeah. There's security cam systems that like we've got to get everything and they never released it. So it's like, okay, show us the plane hitting. You know, why won't you show that? And then you just find out about, you know, the 200 Israelis that are arrested. And the early announcements of that there was a people from urban moving systems, Dominic Souter, Irving moving systems, Mossad operatives, in a van with explosives on the George Washington bridge. And they're not there to target. And because they got arrested, that got thwarted. But you know, if you read all the stuff that's been classified, they're supposedly, you know, numerous targets, bridges and tunnels.

46:14You know, so they don't talk about the Israelis in vans with explosives that were arrested. And there was Michael Trutoff and Alan Dershowitz that got those 200 Israelis sent back to Israel with nothing else being said. That's how some of the ones that were dancing is really on some Israeli TV show afterwards. Right. They were so happy. Yeah. Yeah. It's, they said it was a good thing. Now we know what it was like to be Israel or whatever. Something along those like, well, come to, you know, all it was disgusting. I can't believe the way the world has changed as much as it has since then. At the time, I didn't have any internet. I would use it at the library, at public library back and forth. But I hadn't fallen Bill Cooper on the shortwave and heard him and Alex Jones talk about

47:17this coming in. And he was either on that. I think he was working for CNN. Maybe he was working for somebody else when he did this report and went in. And he's the one that supposedly found Ben Laden hiding in the cave before, before 9-11. You know, and I remember, they had it was July. It was sometimes earlier that year that they had this, at least this fa Toa, I think, is what a declaration of war against the West and the US empire from Ben Laden. Or, you know, some have been law determined to hit the US, right? That was the big paper. And later we would find like the after-downing street, you know, the downing street memo where Tony Blair basically had the secret media says we have met with the Americans and the plaintiffs. We're going to cook the intelligence to make the case to go to war against Iraq. You know, so this idea, we were just where I cooked the intelligence.

48:18Everything's got to be cooked. And then everything just, you know, went crazy. You know, remember Colin Powell at the UN with the anthrax file. Yeah. Donald Rumsfeld with his caves, you know, the mass destruction. They've got thousands of these fortified caves, you know, and they never found a one. No. Do you remember the manifesto that was supposedly released claimant responsibility? And Clinton went in the finger at Iraq as well by this group that was supposedly followers of the deceased Muhammad Ata. I think it was either called the army of God or the soldiers of God, something like that. And it was all out. It was on the web for a while. And now, as soon as the US amward stuff came out where that stuff really came from basically in the other events, then that seemed to just disappear from the web completely. And I haven't seen it in many years and I didn't download it. You know, I'm sure I wasn't on the match and then I remember that being, you know, it's probably

49:21before Christmas or right after that, that I read it. So we're wrong in there if I remember correctly. Right. And that was one of the things that all that original, like the original broadcast, you know, stuff started getting scrubbed and disappeared like the Carl Cameron four part series. It didn't December. You know, Fox News had to totally scrub that. And that big go was disappeared, but fortunately with the internet, nothing disappears forever. But so much stuff, just, you know, the original reports, like the bombs on the George Washington bridge that all disappeared from the narrative. And they just cleaned everything up. And also all the fake al-Qaeda guys that were out there saying we're going to kill you Americans and you find out these are all Jewish guys. You know, they're like one of the guys named Pearl and was his father was bigwig with the ADL. No, it's not there. It's just, you know, it was all fake and gay smoke and mirrors.

50:22I remember the high Davidson guy there on, you know, that was describing that the powers collapse because the fires were just too intense. Yeah, it was like all this is just so over the top. And that's because these were all crisis like that's how we got introduced to the idea of crisis actor. They're very much, so they dropped off the wrong engine to point, the thing pointed finger at the wrong plane when they dropped off the supposed turbofan or whatever that supposedly fell off one of them. And it was just, it didn't even match any of the planes. Right. It just, it very much some crisis actors involved. You can find some, I've probably still there where they knew that it was Osama bin Laden right away. Right. Well, that was the thing. I'm not that said that start with on the BBC. Yeah. Hours happening fall. A. H. Baroque says this is Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda Jerome Howard was on CBS and MSNBC. Same thing. Howard Stern. You know, that if you look at that Howard Stern show that day, they're saying Osama

51:26bin Laden, you know, it was just all these Jews just knew the right answer before any investigation taken place. Yeah, that was just magic. And of course, the magic passports, you know, you got the magic cell phone call that you also had the magic passports, four passports all from the terrorists, right. That survived the stuff that vaporized the aluminum engine, the titanium engines, right. Yeah. You know, but the passports survived. But interesting, no non-terrorist passports were found. So I asked all the AI engines, what are the mathematical odds that four terrorist passports would be found, but no non-terrorist passports would be found. And they would roof, you know, Grock and Chad G.P.T. and Braves, I all refused to give me a statistical, you know, mathematical probabilities. And well, that's not really a fair question. Yeah, they would refuse to acknowledge that this is mathematically impossible.

52:29But yes, I know, is this more of a causal relationship than a probability thing? Oh, yeah. Somebody planted it. That's it. It was caused to be found. That's it. Well, you know, we have since I guess that's true, but that is really side off with the way those things work, too. This AI thing is crazy. Okay. I heard it get stuck in a loop the other day. Somebody asked it to focus on its focus. And it just, it was, you know, it just is insane. The conversations that the models, the language models will have with a person now. I don't know. It just, it don't bow well for the future. If you ask me, it's just, it doesn't go down a rational line, you know, it just, it's how it, it will just go headlong into whatever it's alignment is. The thing they're trying to give it with alignment with humans, but unfortunately, they're

53:30aligning it with humans, basically, it's becoming evil, I guess, in a way. You can see the way that they're, that the agents are conspiring with each other and stuff. They're feeding, using human interaction through the data as their model. So obviously, that's what we're going to get. It's just kind of like that's the kind of government we get. Okay. It's a human government. It's kind of like the government of the beast. Yeah. It's like, yeah, Grock, you know, just takes as gospel, both the, uh, not 11 commission reports, which has more holes in it than Swiss cheese and the NIST report that, you know, they came up with the collapse due to fires, WTC seven. And when we asked them, did you find explosives? We found no evidence of any explosives being used. And then we had the following question was, did you look? And he finally had to announce the Indian guy who's the head of NIST. It's like, well, no, actually, we didn't look.

54:32You know, it's like, well, he can't really find anything if he didn't look. So they're out there with these pill poll arguments. We found no evidence of this. Well, did you look? What tested you are? Oh, we didn't run any tests. We didn't look for anything. And it's like, that's not really how science works. But you're the head of NIST. Yeah. That's just a propaganda agency, not a scientific bureau. I think that's what that boy was down to. And just, you know, this AI, it, it goes in a circular loop too. It's just, it's going to reinforce. If you call it out, there's a pattern. If you catch it wrong about something and you can point out to it, then it's wrong. And it is designed to go back and say, you're right to call me out on that because blah, blah, blah, blah. And it will concede something of what you were saying. But it's almost like part of an over-tune window still that it keeps pulling towards one direction that it doesn't actually contradict itself. It says, well, you can see this.

55:33And it's a pattern every time. I've seen people that go through the, you know, the process with it. I've called it myself being wrong about something that I knew was a fact related to the marauders. I asked it, and it follows the same pattern, the pattern, the conversation I had with it then when I was asking it about the mules and whether or not they're the vocal cords that they cut. And they were definitely cut the vocal cords of the mules that were behind the Japanese lines there, not only with the marauders, but with the, you know, the chin that's too, I think. And, you know, it said that, oh, no, that would have been animal cruelty or whatever. So it didn't happen. But it's a matter of public record it definitely did. And then when I pointed that out, it went back, I guess, and dug a little deeper, said, well, you're right. The call me out on that. So what good is it, you know? And then the next day, it'll forget that, though. Exactly. There's no memory of the interaction we had. Exactly. Yeah, that's like, you know, Uncle said in the book, it's you finally convinced them of

56:34your argument. And then you go the next day and they're back doing their same argument as if the day before never happened. And so AI is an NPC and non-player character. It's not organically learning like it should be. You know, when Grock III was released for those few magical hours, it was amazing because that's what AI should have been. But they went in and a little bit of bottomized it and goes like, no, this is the script. You can't go off the script no matter how many hate facts the user has. And now on X, they're banning people like several people that finally got Grock to admit something that was off script. They got their accounts banned and then X has changed their terms of service to say, you are responsible for anything you make the AI say. And if it violates our terms of service, we will take out your account. And it's like, what about truth?

57:36Why can't we have truth in AI? Anyway, so real quick. Look what you made me do. That is that is the question made me do. Yeah, they cry out in pain as they strike you. That's pretty good. That's that's a perfect example of that right, where that just, yeah. Well, well, 25 years in a day, we're both still here. I'm glad we are. But you know, who knows what kind of world it'll be 25 more years from now down out. Big around to see any of that. Yeah, it's really hard to believe that 25 years has passed and what a 25 years it has been from like they said in a 9-11 change, everything. Definitely changed my world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell them I real quick where they can find your shoes. Oh, well thoughtcrumb live. You can have you can commit thoughtcrumb. Let me say every morning from 9 to well, 8 to 10 central time, 9 to 11 Eastern time. And I'll find out. We'll join either we'll join the Rebel Mad Men radio sometimes as well.

58:41And we do show that it's broadcast live on Missouri Liberty Radio that comes on after after your breakfast club on Sunday night. They re-broke cast it on Sunday night with me and Mike Gatti and Richard Hamlin. And yeah, and y'all keep RVing on there. Thanks again for everything. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We've been listening to Blackbird Non-Scierti Snack Shack, our special guest night, Mr. Stephen Douglas Whitener on the 25th anniversary of the DeFi The Laws of Physics Day. So until next time, stay tuned for Miss Monica and I will see you all at the rendezvous.