Satan's Little Season with Jon Pounders

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1:01We are live, live, live right now. Thank you for joining me. It is a pleasure to be with you. And tonight we have a special guest, Joe Telfer, from J.T. follows J.C. We're going to be talking about Tartaria. We're going to be talking about the camp of the Saints. We're going to be talking about some stuff that is just not your average conversation, but it is a much-needed conversation. More and more things are coming out, including historical documents. So we're excited to talk about these things and be on the cutting edge of what is actually going on. Before we get started, I would like to tell you guys about a couple things I have going on. There's a couple conferences. I'm going to probably do a couple more, but right now, the only two conferences that I have confirmed are in the links below in the description here below. And you can click on those and find out more about them. One of them is in Kentucky. And the other one is in Springfield, Missouri. I'm excited about them. The one in Springfield, you guys have seen a couple of the people that are going to be there because they've been guests on this show.

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3:19Got that fire. They can buy me. Of course, for true. Break it, change, break it, waste. That's what I do when they hate. And complexions are as various as in Africa and Asia. Of course, you wouldn't really. That's not what they tell us in history books. And it says we find in America white, tawny, brown, yellow, olive and copper, even black nations as in Africa. Also, dwarfs and giants, handsome and ugly, flat and quilline, noses, thick and thick and thin lips. Wow. That's pretty interesting. What year is supposedly written? I think I believe 1833. Oh, wow. That's wild. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff in this book. Because I'm sure you've done a little, I'm sure you've looked into the mounds. Oh, yeah. And so what it was kind of tying things where there was old fortresses near these mounds. And of course, in the stuff that I kind of look up,

4:19I've like pontificated. What if these are old Roman things? Like, what if they're finding Roman things? So in the book, he's saying the same things. And he's saying that the amount of mounds, and I guess just the estimate of the bodies that are in them, the amount of Native Americans they found when they came over here could not support the population that would have been bearing people like that. Wow. Yeah, it's really interesting. Because it's interesting when you think about when somebody from 1833 is talking about some fort in America being like ancient and dilapidated, it's like, well, does that really make any sense? Because that's supposedly would not have been that old. It shouldn't have been that old, yes. There's some so many weird anomalies men with all of that that I don't, I can't quite understand. I mean, I have, I have a old barn that was built in like 1890 something, which isn't that old,

5:19but like in that area where it seems like there should be a lot older structures there. There's really not that many in that area, which is just strikes me as odd, but when you go out into the national forest, you'll find like old stone buildings and stuff and there's no record of what they might be or anything. It's so weird. I don't know what to make of it. Like I was just thinking about that the other day, like who did they belong to? Why is there nothing written about it? And they're just kind of sitting there, yeah. Yeah, that's when you get into maybe like the little season stuff because you're just like, if history was exactly as we were taught, like why is there so many mysteries about the Americas and all the places? Because you think that the Americas would have a very pretty linear history of them. Of course, you'd find pyramids in the Americas and nobody really knows how old they are. But I mean, we were talking about like North America. We're told that there was nomadic people, Indians who really didn't build anything and then there's just the settlers that came here,

6:21but then there's all kinds of things. Even, it's funny, like even where I live. So I'm like near Norfolk, Virginia, like really like I'm 10 minutes from Norfolk. And you think about like the story of America is that first landing by the British was in Virginia Beach where I'm born and raised. And then you have James Towne, which is the oldest like lasting British settlement here. And so it was funny. I was watching a video from one of these guys who talks about old world stuff. And he was telling a story about how Norfolk got burned down. And I was always wondering that I was like, the oldest buildings in Norfolk. There's some from the 1700s, there's like a church from the 1700s, but most of the things are built in the 1890s. And I'm like, wouldn't Norfolk be super old? Cause I mean, you got this port that's obviously still, you know, it's got, you know, Norfolk has the biggest naval base in the whole world. And it's obviously right up to James River is where James Towne is. It's like, why wouldn't there be tons of old things here? Well, he was telling me a story of the, in the Revolutionary War that they burnt Norfolk down. And I was like, I've lived here my whole life

7:22and they've never told me that. I think that's weird. I think it's weird. It is really weird. It's weird. I've been recording this whole time. So like, just when we started and so we can kind of roll with that, I'm going to hit record on Zoom as well, just to have some backup. Recording and progress. I mean, everything you talked about there is really, really cool too, so we can use that. But I really don't feel like I need to introduce you, but I will do an introduction that I usually record at the beginning to do that. But I really wanted to ask you about, mainly about the idea of the camp of the Saints, that idea and also just other stuff that has to do with Tartaria and the idea that maybe Jesus ruled Tartaria because I want to get your take on this. I think that there is like a lot of people interested in that idea. I find, well, I don't know. Maybe there isn't. I am interested in that idea. So I want to know what you think about it.

8:24And I'm really excited to kind of hear about it because a bunch of people have been telling me about that idea, the idea of the final war, them going against the, how does it word it exactly? It's not camp of the Saints is. What it says, I want to say it says that, so the devil gathers the nations and they gathers them from the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, and they surround the camp of the Saints and the beloved city. So it's like it's kind of interesting how the Bible separates the two, or maybe I'm just reading into it, just saying like the, why doesn't it just say the Holy City? It's saying the camp of the Saints and the Holy City. So I don't know. I guess it's that that's one of these, I mean, that's one of the toughest questions to ask. I mean, some people are very specific in the community saying it's definitely a physical land that if we knew where it was, we could potentially go there. Now, I'm a little bit more like, I might lean more like how the partial preterists kind of view the millennial reign

9:25where I believe that New Jerusalem is a heavenly city and it's somewhere and it could still be elevated. And I'm not sure we could, I don't really think that we could go there because I feel like it's, like what Paul says is that you have to take off this corruption and put on the incorruptible. You know, the book of Revelation tells us how that no, you know, like no defiled thing, no sin can enter this place. And I know when we're under Christ that, you know, we are forgiven, but at the same time, I don't know, it just makes me think that, like we're not ready to go to be in the presence of Christ right now. You know, he's thinking about Isaiah talks about when he's brought up into heaven and he's, oh my gosh, like I don't even, I'm feel so filthy and he's gotta get the coal pushed against his lips because he's, you know, that's my interpretation. Now, I started to wonder if the idea of the camp of the saints being surrounded, what if there is, well, there's clearly a typology

10:25in the Bible of like kind of repeating patterns you think about Solomon's saying, there's nothing new under the sun, what has been done, it what will be done. So what if during the little season, it would be potentially something that would almost be akin to another tribulation, where the camp of the saints, what if that's just us? Right, so there's a physical attack on God's church, the body of Christ here, and then you have the, what I believe New Jerusalem being like a metaphysical place. You know, if you, when Christ is resurrected, he can eat, he can be touched, he can taste, but then he can enter rooms without using the doors. So like, what if the city is like that? It's, it is physical, it is spiritual, it's a kind of a, it's got an added dimension that we don't have and we can't perceive. So, I don't know, there's the whole idea that, I know when I have my buddy Vitaleon,

11:26the very first time we talked about on my podcast, he was, no pun intended, floating the idea that, what if the surrounding of the camp of the saints is something like New Jerusalem being revealed? And then when you think about like this alien deception that seems like it's been being, it's been seeded for, with the last 150 years, probably, with like starting back to like war of the worlds. What if the idea is like that New Jerusalem shows up like, Thanos, it shows up like a mothership coming down to earth. You know, you think about like Independence Day, how like they just rest over these cities and it's like everybody doesn't know what to think. And then I always go back to that Ronald Reagan speech in front of the UN, you know, how we put away our differences, the nations, how much more we have in common, and if we face some kind of existential threat, you know, that makes sense. I mean, that actually does kind of make sense to me like, because how could you get everybody on board to go to war with God? Right. Well, because they don't know, they don't know it's God.

12:28They're deceived into thinking it's aliens or something. Absolutely, and to add a background for people that may be listening to this, that have no idea what we're talking about. In the Bible, it talks about a little season to where Satan will be released from being bound. And he will go to the four corners of the earth, I believe is how it says it, and will gather an army together that goes against this camp. And so we're discussing that. And I think that if you haven't read through those passages, it's very interesting. And I know a lot of people would not agree with this form of eschatology, but I do think in my research, I think it's important to be open-minded to this could actually be a reality. The only reason I'm saying it could be a reality is because none of us know the history of the world for sure, because there's so many hidden elements, there's things that have popped up in the just in the last decade that have caused most historians to rethink things and to gather in other information.

13:30So in order for us to know for sure, we weren't in Satan's little season. I feel like we'd have to be like 2000 years old. We'd have to have seen it all go down and we'd have to have some part in playing out the handwriting of history, which none of us can lay claim to. So it is something worth considering and it does seem that it's possible in my point of view. And I've never said for sure what I believe in eschatology because I don't know yet, but I'm still searching this out. This is one of those things that is fine. I find odd to the Greenland tie-in where Greenland is a must for our country to gather Greenland and I remember in the Book of Enoch, I want to throw this out there. In the Book of Enoch, you probably know about this, but it talks about a place inside the earth where it says like basically for a time that Jesus and the saints will dwell. And I wonder is this could this be what it's talking about? Like you know, when Admiral Bird went and flew inside of the middle of the earth or some place here on earth like that,

14:31that like you said, metaphysical, the idea that you can't get there without some type of frequency, some type of portal or whatever makes sense because that's exactly what the Dark Side is doing as well with their portal technologies and all of that stuff. What do you, do you, have you thought about that and have you looked at the Book of Enoch for maybe that possible answer or is that something that is often- No, I mean, I think, I mean, I'm open to all of it basically. I mean, I would say that just based in my own Christian walk, it makes sense to me is that I don't really see it in the little season. It's like saying, oh, well, you need to go find this place. I mean, am I curious about where it is? Absolutely. But I mean, it's like you seeking first the kingdom of God, you're putting your mind on things in eternal, not the things that are temporal. So, in my mind, I'm like, I'm here to do what God has called me to do until Lord calls me home. You're not taking a ship to the center of earth here? No, I mean, like I said, I don't really, I don't see it like that. I kind of see it more like that.

15:31You're really not welcome in here until your duty's done here. Got you. You can tell God calls us home. But with that being said, yeah, I mean, I think all are things are possible. Like I said, I don't have any issues with people who believe in it in a certain way. I think that some of the critics of the little season are right to point out. I was like, well, this is kind of strange. Jesus was physically here like in a place and everybody went and visited him like they believe in some of the passages in the Old Testament about how the nations will have to go up for the Feast of Tabernacles. Now, I thought in my interpretation, I believe, of course, this is my interpretation, that a lot of the prophecies about Christ are spiritual. They're symbolic because if you think about like in the temple that's mentioned at the end of Ezekiel, it's talking about how it's got living waters pouring out of it. There's trees that grow, the fruit are different every year. It never, it never dies. Like it has all these fish that are in there. And so I don't believe that there's going to be

16:32another temple during the millennial reign where they're going back to animal sacrifices. I think these things are all pointing to Christ being the temple, the living water she's offering to the woman at the well. And so I think that's where a lot of the reasons why Jesus was rejected by his people were because I think that they were looking for the very physical kingdom. So when Jesus says to the Pharisees, that my kingdom's not coming in ways that can be observed, the kingdom's in the midst of you. And he's talking about himself. He's talking to himself being filled with the Holy Spirit. And then so he's stopping the promise of the Father being the Holy Spirit. That connects us with the Holy City. Day or night, verbal care is here 24-7 to help make every part of your stay seamless. If anything comes up or you simply need a little guidance, support is ready whenever you reach out. From the moment you book to the moment you had home, we're here to help things run smoothly.

17:32Because a great trip starts with the right support. And hey, a good playlist doesn't hurt either. At the UPS store, we understand the importance of a first impression. That's why we're here to help you put your best foot forward and be unstoppable with our printing services, with high quality paper stock options. Banners, business cards, venues, and more. We make sure your small business stands out and your message reaches the masses. After all, we're the one-stop, print-stop, pop, store. Most locations are independently owned. Product services, prices, and hours of operation may vary. See center for details. The UPS store, be unstoppable. Come into your local store today and get your print on. It connects us with Heaven. And you really want to even find the words millennial rain in those passages in the Old Testament anyway. So it's like you don't even know that it's even supposed to be talking about the millennial rain there. Or if it's like the forever rain. So it's like that's one of the biggest things too. A lot of people will find verses that, in their mind,

18:33it has to apply to this part of time in prophecy. But really, why do you think that? Where do you find that it even says anything about that? Because I remember the first time I was challenged by about that, like, well, where does it say anything like that here in, not Zechariah. In the Old Testament, where is this talking about the millennial rain to show me the verse where it says that, and I'm like looking in there, thinking, okay, yeah, I know it's got to be in here because why else would I think that it's talking about the millennial rain? But sure enough, it wasn't in there. But we've been programmed so much to think a certain way about this that this is why this subject brings interest to me is because there's such a knee jerk reaction to kick it away by everybody. Even myself, when I first heard it, I'm like, this is ridiculous. Like, I've never heard this before. But then it all started to be like, okay, well, if this is a time of deception, then obviously, like, I'm not gonna know for sure what makes me think that I'm above being deceived.

19:34I mean, if one third of the angels that have been around for, you know, ancient times can be deceived and why am I, all of a sudden, I'm above it all. Like, I know every little thing that's been taught down to me. I mean, I don't even know the shape of our earth or I've, you know, I've never been up to see it. I don't know anything. So like, that pride kind of had to be pushed away from me a little bit to be like, okay, you gotta listen to this. And so I'm thankful to talk to you. We talked on the phone a lot yesterday about things. And this is one of those subjects that although people get pissed when you talk about it, or people get hyped up in the other respects when you talk about it, I think it's something worth talking about. So I do want to ask you this because I want to know, at least you may not believe this, but you probably at least know the theories about it. But there are those who believe that Jesus physically was the ruler of Tartaria. And maybe describe Tartaria first for people that are listening right now that really have no idea what we're talking about.

20:35Believe it or not, there's a lot of people that have no idea about Tartaria yet. Yeah, it's easy to get, I guess, in your own echo chamber. When you assume everybody knows all the things we talk about so often. And yeah, what Tartaria is is this, what you see, and actually if I could pan up, I got this old map behind me, and it shows this empire called Grand Tartaria. And what we're told by historians is, this was just basically the Mongolian empire, like the Mongols. And I think it's interesting when you do kind of tie it into that idea, because I did talk about this. I had a live stream talking about this one time that some anomalies were kind of told in history that the Great Wall of China was built obviously by the Chinese. Of course it was. It was keeping the Mongols out. Well, I mean, of course in the old maps, they don't show Mongolian shows Grand Tartaria. And so what a lot of people have pointed out kind of in this community is that some of the places where the arrows are fired out,

21:35like basically the defensive positions on it are facing into China. I mean, so it's really curious. The whole story of the Great Wall of China, honestly, it makes no sense to me. It's 13,000 miles. So if you think about America, America is 3,000 miles across 13,000 miles. And so what history says is this wall was constructed over, I don't want to say it was like over 1,000 years. Okay, it was funny for me. I'm just like, okay, explain to me how this is practical whatsoever to anyone. You know what I mean? It's like kind of like the idea of in America, we're trying to build a wall to keep people out. Well, how long is it going to take 1,000 years? I was like, great, we can't do that because that has actually no practical value to us. It's obviously not going to help us in the next generation, the generation after that. For all we know, this nation is gone before this wall is finished. So what is the point of a wall that takes 1,000 years to build? So I think that's kind of when you get into the idea

22:36of what Tartaria is said to be, at least would probably more secular people and obviously people in the little season community, where they obviously had to have some kind of technology because I don't buy that story. I don't buy that they constructed a church over 600 years. It just, it doesn't seem practical to me. If it's not practical to us, I don't know why it would ever been practical to anybody. So maybe they had technology. There's a show signs of aging across the way because obviously if it takes 1,000 years, at one point, it's going to look way older than it does at the newer points. I mean, from what I gather, it looks the same pretty much throughout, right? I think it's pretty consistent. You can see definitely where they rebuilt parts of it. I mean, probably a lot of it has to do with Pytorists that they're trying to pretty it up to make it look decent. But yeah, another thing if you look at one of the anomalies is that a lot of times the hillside is coming up really high on quote unquote the Mongolian side. So again, it's like it would be really easy to access China

23:39going over this wall, makes no sense. So what a lot of people do when they talk about Tarteri, especially like in the more the secular people who talk about the mud flood in Old World, they like to say that all these old buildings, all these old buildings that are in your towns, like the Greco-Roman structures, Gothic cathedrals, all these basilicas, that wasn't built by us. It wasn't built in the time frame they said they were built it in. It was actually this Tartarian empire that extended around the whole world. And it was like literally a hidden empire. Yeah, so mainstream historians just say, no, Tartaria or Grants Hardery was just the Mongol empire. And I think there's probably some truth to that. I just think that the buildings are consistent around the world for the most part, especially the Greco-Roman architecture. You want to hear something real quick? That I, because I did a little research on the Mongolian empire big time in the Huns and everything.

24:39I think major for a while is like obsessed with it. It is really weird, but this is why a lot of this stuff is rings true to me, but these people, they had a habit of basically mixing with the royalty of all the nations around that. I'm sure you found that in your research. Like that was part of, because they would take over trade routes. They were feared warriors. And not only that, they would start up. They weren't as, it looks like to me, like when I actually look at the research, they were a businessman. They were smart at being able to make hubs where people were, they could control the savages, they can control different people, but they're like the bloodlines mangos straight to the kings of England and different places like that. But it's just strange because you have this Bolshevik push against them. And then you have this kind of hidden Tartarian bloodline. And I don't know whether to tie the Mongolians and Tartarians together. That's hard to do for sure,

25:40because it's really like really well hidden in there. But very strange man, I wonder about that. The Mongolian tie is all that history is kind of hidden. Like you know, the Hogyngas Khan, the idea of the Khan's, the idea of what's the, what's the, Prestor John. Prestor John, yeah. That's true. Prestor John is a really weird one, really weird mythology. Yeah, well, I mean, even, even think about just that name, Genghis Khan. So of course, us being ignorant at one time, I just assume that's the guy's name. But Genghis Khan is really not a name, it's a title. It would be saying like great ruler, great king, grand king. So who gets that title? So I mean, of course, I think everybody who kind of naturally just, I don't know, just has a, just a vague view of history. They would say, well, Mongolians are kind of Asian looking people. Well, you think the condom Asia is massive. So obviously, I'm sure some of them were, but Genghis Khan, I believe, is described as having red hair.

26:40Yeah. So he's maybe not what people think he was. And what's fascinating is funny, you just said that because I was kind of promoting this book. I get no money from this book. I'm just saying, I think it's interesting. So if you guys check it out. Yeah. But plug it one more time because I don't know that I recorded the very first part. You're telling the name of the book. I just recorded you talking. We was talking a little bit about it. Yeah. So this is the American antiquities and discoveries of the West by Josiah Priest. And this book is said to be, I believe, from 1833. Obviously, it's a reprint. But the part I was reading about was the idea of like the lost 10 tribes of Israel. And so in second Ezra, as it talks about, that these people who are carried out by the Syrians, I want to say it tells them that they were carried out. I think it was Gogzen or something or Genghis Khan. And these people, at some point, were going to leave these pagan nations and they were going to journey between this narrow past

27:41and the Euphrates. And so I want to say that it says in Ezra, they were going to go to a land that was unknown. And I think it was called Azeroth, I believe, something on those lines. But it was an uninhabited land. And so with this book, it's got a lot of speculation. So I don't know how much of this is true. But it was saying that it's likely that the 10 tribes likely mixed with the Scythians and the Tartars. And then so there's a lot of really interesting things like in Nepal, kind of in Tibet. I think there was a place called Bukhurya. I think that's what it used to be called in Uzbekistan. And so there was a lot of connections with these people having some kind of a, they had Hebrew names and there was a large population of like what we'd called now Jews, but they had some kind of a connection to the Hebrews. And it makes sense. And so if you think about like what you're saying, these guys are good businessmen.

28:42If like the fun thing we can say is true, it's like that these people were pretty good at trade. And so that there was a lot of connection to that. And yeah, so when you get into like the mythology of Prestor John, really interesting stuff. I mean, I don't know how much of it's true, but I think what the accounts come from, where sometime I want to say and was like the 12th century, 13th century, that we're told that this is right around the times of the Crusades and sounds like it's going poorly for the Byzantines and they're trying to get help from this king of kings who's out in the east. And he has this kingdom that is walled. It's got a place of living waters. It has all kinds of like mythological creatures. No thing that's sinful can enter this kingdom. And whether this true or not, I want to say that they say that he's in the line of Solomon, which that's interesting, of course. And there's more than one person I believe, if I remember correctly, that wrote about this Prestor John

29:44as well, and it was in, it's so interesting, man. Yeah, keep going though, this is crazy, because most people I know have never heard about this. I mean, like I said, I talked about it on a show maybe two years ago, and it wasn't even in real connection with all of this topic, but it just compiles all the weird stuff you see over time. It starts compiling, but everything you said about the city and all that, that's all true, man. They all connect, all of these bloodlines connect in a very, very interesting way, man. And like this is where you got the idea of the Sith Lords and stuff, the Scythian Blood. Right, right. It's wild. Yeah, absolutely. And so, of course, in the book, it even speculates that so you have the Ten Tribes, and eventually they settle a place, but then they migrate from there, and they migrate to Norway, possibly. And then, you know, eventually the books speculating in the idea that some of the natives here in America are connected with the Ten Tribes. And I know Columbus wrote about that,

30:44and he had Second Ezra's, was part of his journal, and he thought he was fulfilling prophecy, and he believed when he met the natives, that they were in the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. That's, I mean, that's a weird thing to think, because we've never heard anything like that. Of course, they didn't tell us that in school. So, I guess it does make sense that I've heard that, yes, the kings in England claim to be, well, they don't openly acknowledge this, but some of them claim to have some kind of a lineage back to Israel. And it kind of makes sense, when you think about the Balfour Declaration, and all that stuff and all the stuff that's happened in 1948 and all that. I mean, it sort of makes sense, but back to Prestor John for one second, I thought was interesting. So again, Prestor John is, well, John's a name, but Prestor is more like a title as well, and it has something to do with like elder or priest. Well, I wanna say it might be in First John, it's either First John or Third John.

31:46John is called John the Elder in that book. And I'm not saying it's him, but I'm just saying that that's strange that this person's connected with it. So of course, this mythology of this Christian kingdom is being told to the Europeans. And the one thing I actually I did a podcast with Doc Brown over at the Prometheus Lens podcast, he wanted to research it, so I looked into it. And I guess the thing that always come back to, and this is probably why we're talking about the little season, and this is probably why, despite me resisting it at first, eventually I was kind of compelled to at least consider it, was, okay, this makes no sense to me because I know a little bit about history. I know that Alexander the Great, who was before the Romans were told, he, his kingdom and his empires, conquest went into India. He was only emperor, or he was only the leader of the Greeks for 12 years. So you think about that, if Alexander the Great would have got into India,

32:49and then you have the Romans following him, which obviously seems like the Romans were obviously, did way more than the Greeks did. They had much longer to do it. And then you think about the idea that even like the historical church teaches us that Thomas went and was a missionary to India. At the UPS store, reinsure your small viz stands out with a variety of high quality paper stock options, banners, posters for shores and more. Most locations are independently owned. Product services pricing and hours of operation may vary. See center for details. The UPS store, be unstoppable. Come into your local store today and get your print on. At the UPS store, we understand the importance of a first impression. That's why we're here to help you put your best foot forward and be unstoppable with our printing services, with high quality paper stock options. Banners, business cards, venues and more. We make sure your small business stands out and your message reaches the masses. After all, we're the one stop, print that pop store. Most locations are independently owned. Product services prices and hours of operation may vary. See center for details. The UPS store, be unstoppable.

33:50Come into your local store today and get your print on. So anyways, that being said, so just think about it after hundreds of years go past. And also now the Europeans have no knowledge of what happens in India. And it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like, why wouldn't they know, especially if there was a Christian kingdom? Why wouldn't they know for sure if there was a Christian kingdom out there? And that just leads me to the conclusion is, man, there's something wrong with our history. There's something where there was some kind of a separation where these places became more mysterious because I think in this book, and I've definitely speculated and theorized the idea that no, I believe that the Romans, the Egyptians, the Phoenicians, all these great empires, the Greeks, the Persians, Babylon. I believe they had a very good knowledge of the earth. I believe that that's why, if you, like I said, one of my, we did a documentary years ago called ancient, ancient angels. And obviously it's a play on the term of like ancient aliens.

34:53And so that show ancient aliens. I thought was kind of dumb, but I thought the questions they were asking were interesting. I was, before I watched that show, I had no idea that there was as many megalithic structures around the world. And I did find the argument very convincing that, if you have pyramids everywhere, well, that seems kind of an unusual architectural style. So maybe it's proof that there was connection across the whole earth. Because how do you get them in Egypt? There's pyramids everywhere. There's no other conclusion that makes sense to me, but yeah. Right, so just think about so. If the people who built those megaliths, I mean, you won't convince me that they couldn't build boats that were sea worthy. Or the other possibility is that, that there's lots of evidence, physical, or otherwise, historical too. Biblical big time too. I mean, it talks about King Solomon, the Phoenicians would go like years journey to go and pick them up different animals

35:54that weren't even around there, like apes and gold from Moffir and all the different stuff. I mean, they traveled for a long, long distance. So somewhere that took them years to get back, I mean, that's pretty intense travel right there. Absolutely. So there's many people who theorize that the concept of Pangaea is maybe not exactly like they tell you in school. And it wasn't hundreds of millions of years ago. Maybe there was a lot more land connecting the other lands. That makes sense to me. I was even thinking about, because it kind of mentions in this book that have you ever really thought about how all the animals got to North America, all through South America? Because if you think about it, of course, we're told that the way that people migrated, they walked across the Bering Strait. But I mean, you're talking about like in some kind of frozen rotunda. Like, would there be as many varieties of animals based on like kind of a biblical view that the reason why the earth looks the way it does is because of the flood. Well, what if it looked different? I mean, of course, one of our favorite subjects

36:56in this community is looking at old maps where there's lots of maps that are showing places like Antarctica with no ice on it. It's showing many of the continents connected. It's showing places like... Well, they have those vegetation, where it's in cities, yeah. Everything. So then you have places like Australia is connected to Antarctica. And to me, I don't know, I just can't... I can't really wrap my mind around the idea that cartography is a very... I mean, I thought it was kind of an exact thing. I don't think you would speculate about land and things in these lands without having some knowledge of it. I mean, for the most part, these maps that are six, 700 years old, they're mostly correct. So to me, that maybe a like with the pyramids, then you have the Greco-Roman architecture everywhere. I think that it makes sense to me that those empires were so advanced. And there's Phoenician relics in America. I mean, of course, you watch those dumb shows, like the mystery of Oak Island or whatever.

37:58But it's true, though, there's lots of things that they found in America that don't make sense based on our chronology. So to me, it seems like there must have been some kind of a break, cataclysm catastrophe. And then at some point, it was almost like... The man was kind of free to go back out and explore the things that were lost. Yes, strange, man. When I look back at some of these things seem like overlapping histories as well, because you mentioned before we were talking about the book about a civilization that existed here in the 1800s and they write about it and it's something we've never been taught. And you really think about like the... So I always look at the Puritans as a possible overlap in a certain group of people, because they seem to match some of these people who traveled here. They believed that they had this manifest destiny that they were a part of the Tim tribes as well when they came. And there's like different histories if you read some of the different people that are around back

39:02then you have these conflicting ideologies about who was here, what was here. And then in the middle age or the dark ages in the histories of England, this is something that's a weird anomaly to me because I've read through all of them, but when you get to the dark ages, it just reads as if it's a more of a fantasy novel. I guess you could say, you know, you have Merlin, you have the King Arthur. And then there's the King Arthur prophecies that I don't know if you remember that, but he'd be born like an old man or something like he would be reborn I guess as something and you have all of these strange things that are popping off at the same time that supposedly other things are going on, but then you kind of look into that history and it's like there's almost like shadows. Like there's no, nothing you can really grab onto archeological wise or any, and in like a lot of ways, there's just like nothing there, it's so strange.

40:05No, that's a great way to say it's like shadows of history. It's not real history. And it was funny, I was actually just reading in this book and it was talking about these great earthquakes and this was talking about, again, this speculation that a lot of these lands could have been connected and that could explain the travels of the people. Or again, it gives the other theory that these people could just use boats. Maybe there's more islands. And so there's a lot of historical evidence of towns that are underwater now. Sea lines, you know, coastlines that have been dramatically changed. And this is the thing that obviously really rings true with me because this is a, this is in the times of Christ is there was a historian, a Roman historian named Pliny the Elder and he wrote about this great earthquake and we're told, again, you have to remember this. We're told that this earthquake was in 17 AD. Well, and of course, I'm trying to figure out why did they think it was 17 AD because I'm like, they didn't use that calendar back then. So it would have been a different chronology.

41:05So they would have had to base it based on, it's the year of this certain king or this consul. This is how we know. But again, you have to make sure you've got all the kings or emperors of Rome in the right order. Well, I guess Pliny wrote that this was in the times of Tiberius. Well, times of Tiberius was in the times of Christ. You know, he was, he was the Roman emperor when Pontius Pilate came to be governor of Judea. So this earthquake that was said to happen in 17 AD. Again, I always think like, well, what if it wasn't 17 AD? What if it was after that? What if it was after the ascension of Christ? Right. When it says the Bible said it happened when the ground opened up or whatever, maybe, you know, crazy. Wow. Yeah, it actually mentions that there was a great earthquake, supposing 17 AD that swallowed up 12 cities in Asia Minor. And some of those cities listed are the ones from the book of Revelation. And I'm like, you know, so they say it impacted like Sardis.

42:08I mean, like literally it says it swallowed these places up and they sunk down into the ground. And so that is fascinating to me because, again, you think about this time, we're told these people are more primitive than us. So we're told these towns were completely swallowed up by the earth and then they were rebuilt again in the times of the Apostles in order to be, you know, again, historically now, I always point out the fact that all those towns had to be excavated. So like if we're in the little season, again, it makes sense to me that the only way that people are deceived in the little season, they don't know they're in it. And so what can the devil do? It's very hard for him to hide all these things. But if you took some of these dates and you changed them around a little bit, you move things around, well, it doesn't seem so connected. But if you really think about it, what if, what if we're told that the book of Revelation was written in, yeah, I don't know, 65 AD. The Jerusalem destroyed in 70 AD. And what if we're told that the earth swallowed up

43:08all these towns from the book of Revelation in 77 AD or something, like it was 71 AD. You know, the thing about Mount Vesuvius destroying Pompeii and we're told is 79 AD. And you have multiple Roman towns covered under up to like, I want to see like 70 feet of ash. And so if you put that earthquake in these volcanic eruptions all around the times and then you think, well, I mean, I think a lot of people would be more convinced that, oh, well, dang, the Bible prophesied all this stuff was going to happen. And it's sort of weird that these events happened and then they're supposed to happen again. But the Bible doesn't prophesy about the events that are going to take place to the people it's being written to. You know what I'm saying? So like that's, I guess that's the questions I have. And so what I was doing, I was asking, Chatchee BT, I said, well, was Pliny alive during that time of 17 AD? And it said no. And I said, well, it's a Tacitus wrote about it too. Well, Tacitus we're told is a second century historian.

44:12So Pliny lives in the first millennium or in the first century but he's born after this. I want to say it says that he's born in 24 AD. And I was like, well, are there any Roman historians who were alive at the time that wrote about it? And the answer is no. Okay, so we're talking about Rome and its prime. Wouldn't this be written about, I don't know, by everyone that one of the main provinces of Rome was just engulfed, like literally swallowed up by the earth. And we don't have any historians that are, you know, concurrent with this event. We only have historians writing about it second hand. And I said, that's the exact same thing I talk about when we mentioned that 536 AD is supposed to be the worst year ever on existence. Well, there's only three historians that write about it. Now, there's two other accounts, I think, from Ireland and some other place, but there's only three historians named who wrote about it.

45:13And they only write like one or two lines about it. Like you said, shadows. Yeah. So what if that is, again, move five, 36, somewhere into the first century, you have the sun going dark, you have earthquakes, it's swallow pole towns, you have cities that are buried under ash and melted at the same time. Like what if that was in the same time frame? And that might explain why we don't have more information about the events that took place directly after that. That makes, I mean, that makes, that's not necessarily proof of anything, but that might be a reason why we don't know more, right? Yeah, I mean, you have to consider that that's at least a possibility when you look at it deep enough. I mean, you just have to, because if you're honest, I mean, it's easy to just look at stuff and have your own idea and say, well, this doesn't match my idea. So therefore, I got to throw it out, but like if you're actually honest about it, there's things that don't match up

46:15and there's no way to look around that. And no way to really fathom exactly what's going on here because like you said, if it is Satan deceiving the world, it's going to be very hard to know what's going on. So like I always think about that and I'm like, you know, I could, there's been many times I believe, I believe different things about eschatology over the years. I believed that, you know, pre-trib at one time, I believed like mid-trib at one time. I believe post-trib, I believe we're in the Millennial rain. I've looked at the Satan's little season and I've thought this is possible. And when I say I believed all those things, it's been more like I could see the possibility. Like I could see when I listen to scholars and I listen to like read what the Bible says and I'm like, okay, I don't really know history as well as I think I do. So maybe these are possibilities that I'm not too sure. I'm not, I don't know for sure, so I've like tried to learn the Bible the best that I can to see like, okay, so if I am in this time period,

47:16what should I be on the lookout for? Or if I'm in this time period, what should I be on the lookout for? And if I'm in Satan's little season, what should I be on the lookout for? So I'm going to ask you that question for people who maybe are starting to look at this and say, you know, like I reckon it's possible. I believe it's possible that we might actually be in Satan's little season. I'm not, you know, they may not be willing to admit it publicly, but they may be thinking, okay, well, maybe this is the case. If I'm that person, what should I be looking out for? What should I be doing? What are some things that I should see coming up on the horizon if this is the case? I mean, I want to start by just saying that so that people are skeptical. I was one skeptical. I mean, I'm still not saying I know for sure. Again, I don't, what do I know for sure?

48:17I know that Jesus died for us, like that. I know that. So like, what do I know exactly for sure about this? I mean, I don't. I mean, again, like this, there's evidence mounting. And I think that a lot of people, when I first heard the idea, I didn't like it because I was for sure that we were about to approach the tribulation. So that's part of what I've done in a lot of the, you know, being a truther and a, you know, a bit of a conspiracy theorist, that I'm a skeptic about lots of things. So I'm not quick to pick up on anything right away. It's like, I have to be convinced. I have to see the evidence. So when I tried to debunk at first the little season, I found out that I couldn't really do it. Now, I can, I could still have questions. Like, I know a lot of people stuff questions from me. So it doesn't mean I have all the answers, but a lot of the things that I thought that I knew when I did try to read into the Bible, I'm like, like you said, when somebody points a verse about, okay, so when did the, the wolf lay down with the lamb or the lion?

49:18How people say it's the Mandela effect, whatever. But the point is when did they say that happened? It's like, and then so somebody's saying, well, that's when the millennia rain happens. And I was like, but like, as you said, it doesn't say that. It's actually not saying that. And then so some people would say, well, what about this time of peace? You know, we're history is filled with wars pretty much forever. And I was like, but what if when Jesus says that he offered people peace? So I think a lot of things get conflated about how that you're interpreting something very physical and fleshly. And then when Christ comes, he's kind of telling people it's really not like that. It's a little different than you think it is. And so I think again, that comes down to why they rejected him. So if he's offering you eternal life, like if we're in Christ, we have eternal life right now. Now we might always feel it, right? Because we don't, we still have these corruptible shells, but that's what he said. He said, if you're in Christ, you'll never die. Well, we know he didn't really mean like literally we won't, this physical body won't die, but our soul won't die.

50:21We won't face the second death. So I think that there's always room to just, I guess to leave room for. Maybe you don't know exactly what the Bible saying. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees that I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. But who cares? Big retailers and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill. See, things in credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need. While increasing Megastore profits, they deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees. I think I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. But who cares? Big retailers and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill. See, things in credit unions help small businesses make payroll. This bill would cut the vital resources they need.

51:23While increasing Megastore profits, they deserve it. Don't they? Tell Congress stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. There's more than one interpretation, and we're not sure exactly who's correct about that. So there should be some humility with that. That being said, I guess when you think you're going to experience a cheer relation, let's say tomorrow, we're looking out for very specific signs to not be deceived by these things that kind of sound really obvious. They build a third temple. Some guy goes in and says, he's a god. We're not going to believe him. That's kind of what the church is teaching us right now. It's like that there's going to be a third temple. There's going to be an antichrist. And then, of course, when that happens, they're going to try to mark us. They're going to try to limit our ability to buy and sell unless we have this mark. And this is going to involve some kind of a worship of a god king ruler on the earth.

52:23Now, I think that again, there's still a typology in the Bible. So I don't discount the idea that certain people are trying to manifest those things. Whether they, they're deceived themselves. Of course, they're deceived themselves if they're trying to do that. Because regardless if we're about to approach the tribulation as described in the book of Revelation, or it's some guy trying to make it appear like that, they're deceived regardless, right? Because we know that, we know what happens at the end of this book. So we know that that's not the right way to go. So I guess the way I just see it now, I think that, you know, there's people who are ominous. And so they believe that Christ is king, right? And we believe that and we have authority. He gave the Apostle's authority before he ascended. So we still have that authority. And I guess what I started to think about more recently is that, well, I'm still aware that they're lying to us. So I don't, I mean, I'm skeptical of anything

53:24the news of the government tells me. So that's why some people would try to say, oh, well, if you believe we're past that, then you might take the mark. And you're going to encourage people to get the mark. No, no. I'm very skeptical of everything they do. I know even the idea that potentially, there's some kind of a digital currency that's going to come with some kind of a electric, electronic tattoo or something like that. No, I reject that fully. Don't get that. I don't care if we're past the tribulation or not, I'm not doing that. That's tyranny. JT says, don't get that. I said, don't get it either. Don't get it. Whatever that, I mean, the thing is there's, I think there's grave sins against God regardless if they're literally the mark of the beast. Like if God tells you that he's going to feed you and clothe you and then you say, well, if I don't get this, this thing, then I'll starve and I'll freeze. Well, I mean, do you trust God or not? I mean, I don't think that that's something that God would want us to do regardless.

54:24But I don't know, I guess the more I think of it now, it's like that you need to be as wise as the serpents and you have to be as innocent as doves still. I think that everything that the Bible has told us is still a guide for how we try to see the world and we don't, we try to be in the world, but not of it, that kind of a thing. So I just think that they're in the little season if we're there. And if we're not there, I still think that there's an idea that love hopes all things. I still think we have ability to reach people and kind of correct them on the things that they've been taught. And I don't know, I guess we should still be doing our best to try to fulfill the great commission, tell people about Christ, tell people the truth, love them, take care of them when they need our help. And outside of that, I mean, we have authority in the name of the king. So I don't know, I don't know that other than that,

55:26if you get into like the idea of like, what if the alien deception is literally leading to this ultimate Gog, Megog style battle? I mean, I think that's something to be mindful of, but I mean, I don't know that we can stop that. If that's what the Bible says going to happen anyways, like, can we delay it? I mean, I guess that's the only thing that I may be consider is that when God says a place is going to be judged, God's merciful. So he allows people to repent and if people repent, well, then the judgment is stayed. So there's a possibility, I believe it, if the goal of the little season for the devil is to deceive everyone, well, what if we're here speaking the truth? And I think ultimately the deception is not necessarily, are you in the little season or are we about to get deceived by an antichrist? I mean, like the real deception of the Bible is trying to lead people away from Christ, right? That's where, I mean, because ultimately,

56:26you can be wrong about lots of things, but if you write about that, then ultimately, you're in a good place. Yeah, and I've always thought like you can expect Satan to probably act exactly like any beast that came before him, like, or that he was in charge of. So you can probably expect very similar activity out of his brain, you know, that you would expect out of the beast before that, since he was kind of the one in charge of those, you know? Yeah, I think that, I mean, ultimately, the most dangerous thing for us Christians is false light. It's not necessarily just the darkness, because I think that that's really what you kind of see, and that's what a lot of my content has been about, especially at the very beginning, was the things that, what I say, I want to say, was like Charles Spurgeon said that the discernment is not telling the difference between right and wrong, it's right and almost right. So like leading people into this false light, that's the real dangerous part, is that it sounds Christian-ish

57:27and therefore it's fine. But I mean, like the devil lives in the gray areas, you know, like the idea of like the Anton La Vey, Church of Satan, that's, I think that's what they want people to think Satan is a mess, very obvious. Coming at you would not hiding, but I think what Satanism actually is, is like Luciferianism, and it's a twist on it. Of course, they don't dress in all black, they don't wear the guy liner, and they don't wear the sigils all over their outfits, even though sometimes they do. I mean, but the thing is they don't want you to think it's, they don't want to see, the devil doesn't want you to see him come in, and I think that's the day, that's where they're really trying to get you. But yeah, I mean, the idea that whatever they're doing in Greenland, as you said, it's weird that they're concentrating something about the North Pole, you know, in that Nord, in that Arctic region, you know, these old maps show, you know, the Four Rivers and the Rupus Negro, and some people have connected to that, is it possible that either New Jerusalem's

58:28at the top of this mountain, or it's floating above it, the camp of the Saints is around that? I mean, all those ideas are really interesting, because I think there's lots of mythologies about that. There's some reason that travel is restricted at the supposed poles, right? Like you can't travel freely around Antarctica, and you can't travel freely around the Arctic. Yeah. That's suspicious to me. I don't, I mean, I think that there's definitely something happening at those places. There was even a video I think saw recently that some guy had a satellite phone, and he got, he got held in Antarctica, because he was using it. And I was even joking, I watched the latest Superman movie, and the Superman mythology is always his fortress of solitude, was always at the North Pole. Yeah. And then in this movie, Lex Luther was trying to get the governments of the world to try to arrest Superman, and one of the reasons he said is because he was violating all kinds of international treaties,

59:29because this fortress of solitude was in Antarctica. And I thought, I said, isn't that the weirdest thing? I said, even in this imaginary universe, Superman is not allowed to be in Antarctica. Like what, like what absolutely is happening there? It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre, man. There's so many things that it's just crazy, dude. That's the thing. That's why I don't get why there's so many people out there that are hanging onto the words of the government about disclosure that's getting ready to happen and all that, because you know, you mentioned a few of the things that he's, Lucifer's like an angel of light. I mean, that's so true. And when you look at like what's going on in the world right now, you have the clear exposure of evil, the dark side of things. You have the clear exposure of the dark side, but then you have the, all of the people that are right now at the helm of the light, I guess you could call it. I'm not saying all of them, because I don't know all of them.

1:00:30But they are getting ready to lead us into whatever's next. So this, obviously this system has to go down. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at it and say, okay, we're gonna have to do something different now. We know, I mean, we already see it come and you see the digital currency. You see the idea of voting to be able to be, do it all digitally through blockchain. There's so many ways now that all of this fraud, trafficking, everything can be completely stopped right now. It could be stopped right now if we switch over to a digital society. It could be stopped right this minute. And so they're waiting in the wing with the positive side of things. But when I say it's, I think it's gonna look a lot like the old beast. Like it's gonna be look good. Like I think the old beast look good, like the beast of revelation. They look good to people that were there, because maybe now we have wealth, now we have, we don't have to worry about our healthcare problems anymore,

1:01:30because we're integrated into the system. And when it says like who can make war with this beast, it just seems like right now, whatever this beast is becoming is going to be so dominant and invasive. Would it, if it's Satan being dominant and invasive and it's coming to take his rightful throne, whatever it is, it's gonna be super dominant and invasive. And so do you have any biblical insights as to what the saints should be doing during this domination process that's taking place? Because from what I understand, like you said, there's no way out, it's not like you can stop it. It's a train, this rolling, and maybe we can slow it down. Maybe there are people that'll come to the light because of what we say, but prep-wise, what should we be doing? I mean, I think it's Christians, I think we need to be getting right with and our hearts need to be right. Because I think that's like the idea when Jesus is saying that in this world you'll have tribulation.

1:02:32It's like you're not guaranteed like a smooth ride here. You're actually guaranteed the opposite. And I think that maybe that's part of what like Satan would do. It's like kind of like the idea of the matrix. It's like you've got all this stuff and now you're afraid to lose this stuff. The stuff's not making you happy. So this system is actually some kind of a, it's like we're caged animals, but we're like free-range slaves. Like we can move a little bit, but we're really trapped in the system. And I think a lot of us who've tried to escape it, you find it very difficult, especially now it's like as inflation grows. Yeah, you can definitely see that they have done their best to tank this current system on purpose. And it's only accelerating toward that. So when I look at what people are dealing with, especially the next generations, the people younger than me, that a lot of us are old enough when it wasn't the craziest idea to buy something after you were in your 20s, like by a condo, by a house.

1:03:35And it was funny. I saw that people were talking about like that movie, that show Mary the Children. Like back in the 80s and 90s, like Al Bundy was considered fat and poor. And he's got like this nice two story house, somewhere in the burbs. But like that house now is super expensive. So you can see like young people have to be getting disillusioned with the voting is not helping. The system is broken. It's only harder to make ends meet. And I really don't see that American dream. So because they've collapsed the American dream. So as we get closer to this, and of course, even if you're older, you're trying to store up money or to pass down your kids or have a retirement. I think as Christians, we need to just say, we're not guaranteed these things. And if we're trying to store up our treasures here, well, you can't store up your treasures here and also store them up in heaven. So like, you've got to have to kind of pick which one you're doing. So I think that we need to I guess be more grounded

1:04:37in like that, you know, naked in this world I came and naked I'll go, whatever they can take for me, they can't really take what God's given to me. And I think that's kind of the main message because yeah, looking at things and looking at the politics, it's depressing. It makes people angry. So I could totally see that somebody who wanted to offer some kind of order would be somebody like, okay, fine. Because if we believe that the elites are doing all these nefarious things on secret islands and we'd give anything to get to oppose those people. So would you welcome in a false light who says, I'm gonna expose all this stuff. And of course, I think there was a guy in the White House right now who was saying he was gonna do all that and he hasn't really done it. Right, right, right. I mean, I think a lot of the stuff that I believe it makes sense to me kind of in the idea of the little season is that a lot of this prophecy that's centered around is modern day Israel now, it's like the politics surrounding

1:05:38that so that if you speak out against what Israel's doing in Gaza, well, you're actually not gonna be blessed. You're gonna be cursed by God because you're cursing Abraham. And I think, I don't know, I feel like that's a lot of the false light because you have these evangelical pastors going over there like followed by like Mike Huckabee and like thousands of them are getting indoctrinated into the idea that, well, there are brothers there and we need to support what they're doing. And you're like, but the Bible says that you can't really have fellowship. You can't be yoked to unbelievers. So it's not that you don't pray for them and absolutely you do, but you don't pray for them in the way that you wouldn't pray for Muslims or Hindus, like you pray for them too. And we know without the Messiah, there's no way to go to heaven. There's no way to the Father. So I think that is definitely looking toward a, again, probably part of a collapse of this current system is that we yoke ourselves with these unbelievers

1:06:39that call themselves Jacob and that leads these other nations to hate us and then this concludes with some kind of a major war that maybe ends up in a really major war like Gog May Gog. Cause I mean, that's the crazy thing about kind of the alien disclosure. I mean, a lot of people made videos about that about how, are you kidding me now? So after all the Epstein files dropped and then we have people's talking about war with Iran. Now Obama and Trump are gonna start talking about aliens. It's like, I feel like that is absolutely a distraction from like, hey, like keep your eye on the ball. Like they want you to talk about this. Access to affordable credit helps me pay my employees that I don't really need it. Infliction is killing me. Who cares? Big retailers and making record profits. That's why we support the Durban Marshall credit card bill. See, banks and credit unions help small businesses make payroll. And this bill would cut the vital resources they need. While increasing mega store profits, they deserve it.

1:07:42Don't they? Tell Congress, stop the Durban Marshall money grab for corporate megastores. Paid for it by the Electronic Payments Coalition. Mm, one ice coffee. 99 cents please. For real? No way. Mm, one ice coffee. 99 cents please. For real? No way. Mm, what a deal. Your new morning groove. Ice coffee from McDonald's. Any size for just 99 cents to 11 a.m. Price and participation may vary. Can I be combined with any other offer? Bada, bada, bada, bada. Because that's really, again, I think, I, again, I always leave room for the possibility that there's things that I don't know about. But I think the, the majority of the alien abduction phenomena in the UAP thing, I think it's a lot, it mostly it's demonic. I believe it has a lot to do with MK Ultra. I think it has a lot to do with Operation Paperclip. I think, I think for the most part, it's a cover story to hide up.

1:08:43Hide some really nefarious things that our government's doing is, quote unquote, aliens did it. It's almost like it's purposefully being fueled, I guess. It's like, you know, you have the two ant, they ant two different types of ants in the jars and one black ant, one red ant, you shake the jar and all of a sudden they're fighting like before. They're good, but you shake the jar and how they're all like hate each other. And I'm not saying that there isn't reason to hate either side. I'm not saying that, but my goodness, somebody's stoking the jar, bro. Like, yeah, they're just spinning that jar, kicking it down the road, spitting it and everything else. They're making it pop like crazy. Yeah, dividing conquer. Well, I think it's interesting, speaking of maybe fall slight. Now, I believe that there's a lot of Christians in the Catholic church. I don't believe that the church is teaching the real true doctrine that I find in the scriptures now,

1:09:46but I do think it's interesting the way that especially I go and ex a lot and I see where it feels like they're trying to give us this false dichotomy of like, the good guys are the Catholic, so I mean, if you're Christian, right. And then you have like the evangelical Zionists. And then so they're linking arms with Israel and then you have like Catholic is your only other way to go. And I was like, I see that pretty clearly now, like that that's what they're kind of maybe trying to do. And I think that that's, again, it's the divide and conquer. So like, you have this binary choice. So who are you with? With Christians or you with the Zio's? And if you're not with either of them, you're a liberal blue hair, right? All right, that's funny. At one point, I made a video recently. I was talking about Trump and his Mar-a-Lago thing with like the dog masks and like the Mary and Antoinette style ball there. And I got called the liberal. And I was like, I don't think you really paid attention to my content.

1:10:46I'm definitely not that. Definitely not a little bit. Definitely not that, but I mean, no. So I think that absolutely that I think that's where you get into like this controlled opposition where we're going to make your leaders so polarized. Like you guys are not going to see agreement almost anything. And then so yeah, let them fight. And so when we fight each other online, then something else is happening. Something else is being done in the dark that we don't see. Yeah, because there's a group of internationalists controlling all of this, even Israel right now, like over and over there in the land, it's not like the people that live there. Most of the people live there are just in their own world. Like it's really strange that because we often think of countries as their people like America, I'm sure that the rest of the world, they think of us as our government. You know, they think of not maybe they don't. Most of them aren't that narrow-minded

1:11:48as we are here in America. But like when you go to 11 conferences, I was in 11 on like you in my mind, I'm thinking hostile, hate Americans. You know, this is what I've been told by the embassy. Like we don't go there. Like we're leaving the embassy's leaving. And I get there and it's like a completely different reality from what I expected. Like people were very kind, loving. They loved Americans there. It was just completely different mindset to what was expected. And I'm sure that in certain parts of Israel, it would be the same exact way that there are people that are just normal people there that are wanting to live. And yet we have these creepy, I don't want to call them creepy because whatever the these dominant beings that are over the heads of all of these things, I mean, that's just, it is what it is. That's just what we're dealing with. It's crazy to think that way. But that's exactly what it is.

1:12:49Yeah, well, exactly what you're talking about. Well, I said, I think it's really interesting, especially the way that when you see like news headlines, or you see, depending on who's writing the story, it would be like America to the world is a Christian country. So you can imagine a headline like, America does something terrible to somebody. And it's like, well, guess what Christians did to this people. You know, to did. And the same way that in these Arab countries, well, they're all Muslims. Right. So therefore Muslims did X, Y, or Z. So then the same way in Israel to be like, well, guess what the Jews did. Right. And it's like, but the funny part about it is, I know you can probably, you probably know this, that there's a great majority of the population in Israel that are atheists. Oh, yeah, big time. And we know that just because you celebrate Christmas does not make you a Christian, just because you don't celebrate Hanukkah. Like, you know, that's basically the way that people are either Christian or Jewish here, depending on which holidays they celebrate. But we know that there's a lot of people that claim to be Christians who don't act like it at all.

1:13:51Yeah, but they're not real. But they're not real. They're not real. Sometimes. Or not even that, the point is they just claim to be Christian. So exactly that if we have Biden as president or Trump as president, we have Obama as president, and it's like, well, guess what America did? It's like, well, we weren't all for that. We didn't, we didn't all co-sign on that. Lots of us are really angry with what they're doing. So it's no different anywhere else where when, and I think that's maybe like that's more of like a, something that would make sense as Christians is say, I see you, like I see you as a person. Like I'm not looking at you as my enemy because our leaders are at odds. Right. Because what your foreign policy is versus ours. Like we're seeing people like, hey, you know, this is somebody that I want to be in God's kingdom. Exactly. And so like we're trying to like reach people. And I think that's the, I think maybe that's what's really going on, especially looking at like the online discourse

1:14:54where we were talking, actually I think we were talking about that on the phone. It's like that it's so easy to kind of dehumanize people online because you really don't have to deal with them. You know, you can write something nasty. They write something nasty back and then block them. You know, and like, so you don't really have to consider like, like who is this person? And why are they acting the way they are? And I think that probably for guys like me and you, and not necessarily just isolated to us, you know, when you have a platform, you know that, when you comment in your comment section, people are going to see what you write. So you're thinking like, do I really want to say what I want to say? Right. And then you're like, no, I said, the Holy Spirit is my back space button many times where I'm like, no, I'm not going to say that. But I think that's the kind of idea of just like, trying to hold ourselves to the standard God's holding us to. And then trying to really see people and understand that the world wants us to be afraid and angry. Because that's like part of like MK Ultra.

1:15:56They know how to manipulate people through those emotions. Those people are the easiest lead. That's why when you watch the news, it's either trying to scare you or it's trying to piss you off. So as soon as you do, you said, go get on X and you're just just rage tweeting. You know, that's what they want. That's exactly what they want. Because they, they show you problems and then they get the reaction they want out of you. And then guess what? We got the ready-made solution for you. And so I think that's what you're talking about. Like eventually, they're going to say, we'll fix all that stuff. We agree, those problems are real. Trust me, I got you. They're paying people to promote those problems. I mean, people are making a lot of money on both sides of the fence talking about those things. And it's tempting as a content creator not to get into not even involved, but you're right, we got to look at people as individual people that God loves rather than by national flag. What's their flag that they're flying? What it's just, it's a wild way to think, but it's so easy to get caught up in that. Even though you know this and I know this,

1:16:56there's going to be times when you look at something and all of a sudden it's like your emotions get you and you're like, oh, I can't believe that. They're doing that over here. And I even get like that. And then I'm like, okay, I have to refocus, rephrase, cast out the wicked imaginations in my heart, refocus these things. And I think that's an important thing to leave people with in this is to really focus your emotions and really hone in on what's important about all this, like not seeing people as a flag or as a color or as whatever. I mean, we should see people. Or a denomination. Exactly. You've got, I got a different eschatological view than you. So we're not the same. We're, you know, we're all different, but if you think again, we're for like brothers and sisters in Christ, and that really does trump all the other differences in us. And if we're not brothers and sisters in Christ, then we should hope that we could get these people to be brothers and sisters in Christ. So like you always got to think like that.

1:17:57You know, people don't always remember what you said, but they always remember how you made them feel. And I think that's kind of like, that's kind of maybe like a godly thing. That was like one of those phrases that I really, it resonated with me for years because I was somebody who'd like to argue and I wanted to be right. And then you realize like when you try to argue with somebody and you're sure that you're right, and you might even be. But the more you try to press your case, you realize like you have not gained any ground. All you're doing is really getting frustrated. So it's like sometimes you just need to know when to just stop talking, just disengage and, and if I can leave anybody with anything, the thing that really kind of helped me like in the worst time of my whole life was trying to cling to what God has promised me and trying to be willing to give away the things that he hasn't. And that really, that little simple thing really kind of affected me where I'm like, I'm worried about losing certain things and then God kind of just revealed to me. It's like, you will lose those things one day, you know,

1:18:59what happens then. And so I really had to like save, so what am I guaranteed? And like just cling to that. And then really think about all the things we're talking about whether we're in the little season, we're heading toward the tribulation. There's lots of things that are beyond our control, but that God does not want us to worry about the things that are beyond our control. He wants you to take care of the little things he's, he's set in front of you and take them moment by moment day by day. Don't worry about tomorrow. Tomorrow's, tomorrow's got enough to worry about for itself, like worry about today. And I think that you can find so much more peace and I think that's really what the kind of the peace that the Christ provides that's beyond all understanding is that I don't have to fix it all. I can't fix it all. Like knowing that you can is actually saying like, well, I know who can and just giving it all to him. Absolutely, man. Thank you for that. I think that's a great way to in this program. But before we go, I am going to put your link in the description and I am going to try to do the collab

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