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Stephen Jones continues his conversation with former Wales captain and new Times columnist Sam Warburton in part two of this special episode.
Sam candidly reveals his thoughts on the game including, why rugby will never be fully safe, why players should be limited to 25 starts a season and why mentally it's so tough to play all the way into July.
He also reveals how a Man Utd game helped him deal with social media pressure and why he's now relishing his role as pundit.
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