S4E030: Incarnational Podcasting with Special Guest Frank Kidd

1:00Hello Friend. Season 4 The mystical American Patriot Society is transmitting to you from a high desert and cabinet, on the frontier of our agrarian hoplite republic. This is a variety program for happy warriors who are getting some seriously bad vibes from the G-Ranged Post-Christian Technocracy. Grab a Tangred of Yaxx Milk and Join us by the Campfire, Assumo and Cavie return to Shake Your Surveillance, Expel Your Parasites, and generally have a good time. Are you ready? Stand by.

3:27The mystical American Patriot Society, now available in three dimensions. Hello everybody. Welcome once again to the world's most wonderful podcast of wonderful people that only good smart people listen to. I was a listener contact with us the other day through me and not through you, which you should if you respond on the website, he goes to Cavie. But this one was some direct message to me and they said, they said, I love this show, but I can't afford to support it financially. What do you think of that, Cavie? I think that's very sad. I think it's a lie. This person is like, what are they doing? You can't afford what? $10. I don't know how much he's $10 a month. Stop skip one time eating a triple cheeseburger from Sonic you fatty.

4:32Just one time. Oh, I can't. Oh, you don't have $10. Of course you have to. This is why America's, this is the downfall is you. This kind of person caused 9-11. I know it. I'm so angry. But I'm not really angry. It's fine. But if you can't afford it, first of all, you can. All of you can't. All of you can afford $10. And you say to me, you say, sumo, yes, I can afford $10. But everyone wants to know, everyone isn't me and everyone isn't Cavie and we're more important. Okay, that's pretty clear. I know everyone has their hand out, but the only hand that you need to be paying attention to is this one. It's these hands, these lovely, pristine hands. Two of them are the hands of a little kitty cat starving in the rain, little paws of a kitty cat starving in the rain, like a Victorian Dick, Dick Sonian child with tiny Tim.

5:36He's got a gout and consumption and he's dying. And you're like, no, I want a cheeseburger instead. And that's the problem. That's the problem. I don't know what we'll call this show. Cavie makes up the name of the show. I entitled this presentation, which is not the show because in a little bit, a guy's going to jump on here and we're going to talk about being mercenaries. I was going to have a real mercenary on, but it turns out I've tried this many times with him. He's a mercenary in Ukraine. He's an American. He's being paid over there money to fight for the Ukraine army. I think he would probably, I don't know his politics. I think he'd probably fight for the Russian army if they paid him more money. I don't think he really cares that much about the cause. I think he's just like shooting people and getting paid for it. And he's currently recovering in Ukrainian hospital because he got blown up by a drone. He's not dead, but his legs were all messed up. He should go. He should go ahead. Is he fighting? Is he fighting for your crane or Russia?

6:36He's fighting for Ukraine. Okay. He's fighting for Ukraine. He's American fighting for Ukraine. He's being paid. He was in the Marines to get out of the Marines. And he said, I don't like civilian life. I like shooting people. Give me some money to go shoot people. And they said, sure. And but mercenaries turns out very flighty. I can't really depend on him that much. I've tried to set this up with him many times. And the first time he was like, oh, I was going to, but I got blown up by a drone. And now I'm a decent. That's one does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the next time he was like, oh, I was going to, but they they they did come through with the piece of organ I needed donated. So I can't I have to do emergency surgery. No. And this time he was like, I was going to, but I had to go to a funeral for my friend who was killed. All over it's endless with these people. They're so entitled. Anyway. So that's not happening. But I do have a friend who, if you remember Frank from the Frank and Brady show, Frank said,

7:41come on, we're going to talk about his novel once upon a time in Argentina, which is a fun novel. And it's about mercenaries and his thoughts on like, you know, how that he was in the military. I don't think he's ever been a mercenary. He maybe he should be. We're talking about that and his thoughts on how the, you know, the American empire and mercenary worked the morality of it, the necessity of it in the modern era, masculinity, all those kinds of things. But first, and we're going to talk about the Cinderella effect, which is the name of a book. And the one K, why a, e, caveat, what does that stand for? One K, why a, e. Every time I see right that I have no idea, but it was something like 1000 years, American empires, the 1000 year American empire. That's right. This is my claim. I didn't come up with that idea. Lindy man coin that term. Yeah, years ago. Lindy man is a guy you're familiar with. Lindy man. Kevin. No, I think you've talked about him before though.

8:44I may have Lindy man popularized this thing. A, again, back in the early days of the internet, which is not really. Back in the early days, it's Web 2.0. Not even that later than that. Not even early days of anything. Actually, now I think about it. But earlier than now, he popularized this idea of things being Lindy. And things that are Lindy, it was never really had a hard definition. It was kind of whatever he wanted. But it was kind of like classic. Like it was getting, he's like most of the things you see online, most of the stuff people wear, most of what they put in their house is a fad. And it's always going to return to items that are Lindy. Nice granite countertops, wood floors, high ceilings, all these sorts of things. Cotton fibers and, and the Lindy things. He talked about a lot of Lindy ideas. And one of the things he said was very Lindy was a global empire, you know, or global, in quotes, worldwide empire that would last for a long time.

9:46And that we were overdue for one of those. And he thought it was probably going to be the American empire. And he came over this and they have the 1000 year American empire. And, you know, he travels around, around a lot between here and Europe and other and sensory places. And he said he's noticed over the past decades, the growing influence of American culture everywhere to the point where sort of everyone in like France is just doing whatever Americans were doing five years ago in vice versa. Well, not vice versa. Just every like if you go to Germany, if you go to Poland, everyone is just aping. They've all watched the only movies are American movies. The only I can confirm that too. Because every time I've gone to China, the music they're playing and stuff on TV, it is, it's like five year old American songs or TV shows. And I remember this. Yeah, for better or worse, the only place in the world producing quote unquote culture

10:48is the United States. Think about it. Everyone on earth knows who Donald Trump is. Every one on earth and is either loves him or hates him. Someone in the middle of the of the Congolese jungle has heard the name Donald Trump. If you ask how many Americans do you think if you pulled if you stopped him on the street out of a hundred would be able to tell you who the president of France is to maybe maybe, you know, everyone knows who the US president is and most and many of the other politicians and they have strong opinions about them, even though they can't do anything, they can't vote about it at all. But if people in America have no idea who the chancellor of Germany is or what it just Poland even have a president, do they have, do they have monarchy? Who knows who cares? Right. That's sort of the feeling of the UK Peter Hitchens was talking about this. He came over to America not long ago.

11:50And he said he was shocked at how little everyone in America knew or cared about one then in England. And he said people in the UK tend to think that they're like important. And he said the average UK person would just be sort of bold over that they had never like they had no idea who I don't even know who the prime minister is now over there. Is it that guy Carl Sturmer? He resigned, didn't he? I don't know. I couldn't even tell you who cares. It doesn't matter. It's the UK. They're dumb stupid. You guys fought a war so you wouldn't have to care. Yeah, exactly. And Lindyman's point was not only that, but also when's the last time he said, I don't think it's ever been in history that the world's largest military power was also the world's largest economic power was also had no competing powers on its borders. Rome had tons of big, big bads in their borders. They were constantly fighting separated by two oceans. It's, you know, it's like this, it's who's going to what's going to happen? Nothing.

12:50They'll go on for a thousand years. If not more. And people kind of hate this. And this goes into Lindsey Clancy and everything. And also I revised my thoughts on the book of Tobit. I'm going to go back on that a little bit. But prepping for triumph will not the judge of all the earth do right. Sodom and Gomorrah. This is not a show we prep for the collapse of America, but we're, where we prepare for America to never stop. And isn't that kind of scarier? Yeah, we wish it would collapse listener. Oh, when you get off easy then, oh, with your home setting and your chicken coop and you're the horde of gold and your bucket of food, no, it's going to keep going. And you're going to have to watch two gay black men play B Star Wars in the future. Those have gay Darth Vader with gay Translaya and that forever and ever and that's what you have to prepare for in women's basketball and women's basketball in women's basketball Darth Vader will be a giant lesbian trans

13:54woman who is named Darth Vader and she will be the name, the main WNBA player, the most paid person on earth. But this is also why I support the deep state in the CIA, go see a and you can't to. And you can't do this there. If you're not, if you're just listening, be a watcher, be a watcher. Go on the YouTube channel, subscribe, like comment and subscribe, subscribe on sub stack. If you prefer there, whatever you want the next episode is going to be paid. This one's going to be free. Next episode paid. This one's free paid free paid free. So if you want to see all the stuff and just support the greatest content that's ever been produced in the history of the world, you know, not since the gospels has has content been produced of this quality. And you should support it. But before you do that, you know, I'm a Girl Scout. Kavie, I am.

14:54I'm a Girl Scout. I feel I'm not that. Are you aware? You can just, well, today I'm not surprised when when did this start? No, I'm I'm I am a I am a member of the Girl Scouts as a troop leader. I lead it. I'm a help help lead it to my okay. Well, unless you're like a six year old girl, or you identify as one, it's not quite the same. It's not quite the same. But I do have a daughter in that age range that she said, I want to do Girl Scouts, Daddy. And my wife said, I don't have time to do anymore things. So I said, well, okay, I'll do that. And of course, being one of the few dads to volunteer for this, I got it roped into so many things so quickly. They're like, hey, can you do the, the, can you go get archery certified? So you can be that, you know, they wanted me to do all the outdoorsy stuff. So now I'm doing this. I've had to shoot a bull. I'm to teach to have the girl so that the Girl Scouts insurance can cover it.

15:55They have to say that they gave you some sort of prep. In case a girl gets shot with an arrow, God forbid. But that's what they're worried about and all that kind of stuff. And so I am on the, I have, I have a girl scout badge that has a little magnetic clip. I got to taste their prototype cookies, which is a big perk. A lot of people don't know that they're constantly working on new cookies. They sent me one and you know what? It was white chocolate with mint. And I said to them, this is good. This is good. I said, but I feel the flavor profile is a bit too overlapping with thin myths. I feel like you're putting yourself, you're creating your own competitor here. This is going to compete with thin myths. Do brand are the cookies like a local thing? Because I always thought there was like some giant factory somewhere that send them to everyone. Giant factory. But the Girl Scouts do prototype new kinds of cookies. Now again, and they send them around to the very good cookies.

16:57They do have good cookies. You know, and I'm a Girl Scout supporter. It's good for ladies and girls. It's girl led mostly. It, you know, proof that women can do things now. Is it that they run this big organization? Is that a 100% fair because it does rely on volunteer and child labor, mostly. So could they compete in a woman run organization, compete in capitalism? I don't know. It's a question. I don't think this answers that question because like I said, it's mostly volunteers and forcing children to be sales women, which is, you know, they have a loophole there. They get away with child labor and that's fine. You know, but they inspired me. They inspired me to make our own badges because I, this is an incarnational podcast. I'm making a new thing. It's incarnational podcasting. It's not just something you listen to anymore. It's not just something you watch. It's something you do. It's something you are.

17:57And I'm making, there's going to be some badges and if you complete the goals on these badges, just like in Girl Scouts, and then you pay the money for the badge, which is a little bit, it's come back $50. The badge is a cost of $50, but this is for your participation and to support the show. I'll send you one of these badges is the idea. You'll be able to order them on the website for, and you put them on a nice, put them on your backpack, stitch them on a vest. They're pretty cool. People do a lot of stuff for badges. They're highly motivating. Napoleon said, a soldier will fight long and hard for a piece of pink ribbon or red ribbon. People love medals and stuff. So we're going to give some out. And I'm going to, this is to encourage you guys to actually do some things you see on the podcast. Two, the first thing to start is the star seed badge. This is, are you familiar with star seeds, Kevin? I am. You're, you're robotting a bit though. Hmm. Am I how am I now?

18:59Still a little bit robotty. Let me try now. Slightly better, maybe. How about now? No, you're still robotting for me. Dear hold on. Let me see. I suspect the recording is all fine on your end, but I suspect this to, how's it now? Is it any better? Yeah, that's, that's better. Okay, this let me know if I'm robotting again, just breaking and go, you're robotting. Cause I don't want to listen to hear that. Okay. Anyway, you know what a star seed is? Tell the people. Yeah, they think they're from like another planet and for somehow they're incarnated on earth. Right. Exactly. They are people that believe in reincarnation and they are people that think that their true soul is an alien somewhere. But they heard Gaia, the earth spirit, crying out for help.

19:59And so out of their altruism, they chose to incarnate this life in a human body to help bring love. I didn't know there was so much lore behind it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to help bring love and light to the people. And so the star seed, but you know, I put in the intro to this badge, they are, quote, old souls who are highly evolved in the ways of love, light compassion and empathy. And generally count amongst themselves such names as David Bowie, Nicola Tesla, Abraham Lincoln, the goddess Isis in Jesus Christ. You get this badge for expanding your metaphysical philosophical and religious horizons. It's about purposely giving woo, quote, unquote a chance to see if there's anything there. To see if there's any baby in all the nonsense bathwater. Now a lot of it, there's not. But you can't, you got to, you got to give it a go. And I tried to give you enough things here that you could suspend people are going to be like, but, too, my why don't want to do that's necromancy or something. Okay, fine.

20:59You don't have, don't do anything. You're against, but there's a lot of stuff on this list. You three of these, you earn the badge. Crystals, tries to make you puncture, chiropractic, look for spook lights to a paranormal pilgrimage, ley lines, all kinds of stuff like that. Ricky, Ricky healing, tarot cards, visit a pet psychic, give three big, woo things to try. And then email me or Kavi on the website, mostly Kavi until I did the three things. Here they are. Am I approved? And I'll say yes. And then you can pay money and get your very own MapSock star siege badge, which is wonderful. Looking you see it here. Uh, and then there's the American cosmic badge, which is where you learn to appreciate America as a holy land as a holy land itself. You know, we're trained all the time to think of holy lands as these other places. But I ask you, dear listener, it's not the Mississippi as spiritually powerful as the Nile.

22:00Is not the majave as interesting and spiritually fecund as the Arabian desert. My dear friends, it is. And this is the, uh, this is, as I say in the in the badge here, a description. Uh, the only America is the only place where white people are still religious. And it is deeply haunted by ghost and demons. And so this badge is about connecting the spiritual roots of the land you live in. Even if it's not America, you can fulfill similar things. Let's say you live in Australia. You just do similar things in your land. Um, or you live in, you know, God forbid, Ireland or something. Um, then you do, would do it there. Similar things. You can do like road trip coast to coast. Uh, visit a famous paranormal site. Explore the massive US cave system. One of the largest cave systems on earth under, underguards the entire lower 48th. It's crazy. Look it up.

23:02Um, cross into Canada on foot, cross into Mexico on foot. Seamount, sunflower, all these things that you can do. They're here on the, they'll be on the website. They're here in this presentation if you're watching online. Complete three of them or more. And you also are in this badge. And I'm going to come out with more of these to encourage you people to stop just sitting around. I'm giving you, this is your, this is your call to adventure. Get out there and try some things. Do some new things. If you're writing any of these things, have you ever done a terror reading cabin? Or something like that? Uh, I know you're a little blue because you do Chinese medicine. Yeah, I've done acupuncture. I haven't done terror reading, but I'm familiar with terror stuff from video games. Yeah. So yeah, um, ghost hunting. I haven't done that for real, but I have gone to supposedly haunted places with like friends. And that's always fun because they're deadly into it. And then you can really scare them. Huh?

24:02Uh, I haven't seen a UFO or a cryptid astrology. I think there's a lot of that in the Bible. Raky, I haven't tried that manifesting. As cheesy as that is, I think there's something to that. Dream journaling is too much work. It is a lot of work. I have a bunch of crystals just because I think they're cool. Um, I don't really think they do anything. Uh, you're writing here is so small. I don't have really no, um, laylines. I'm intrigued by, but I don't really know enough about them or has anybody made an official map of those. There's no official map. There's no official governing body of the laylines. You have to, you have to look at your own spirits. Yeah, because that, yeah, that was one thing I've, I was wondering about a while ago is, is there like a official set of lines that everybody agrees on? And then I was very interested to know like, how do those lines look when mapped onto a globe

25:02versus the flat earth? Right. Right. There is a very, my most interesting lay line. And this, if you're like, oh, but that's paying it. Listen, here's a nice, here's a nice traditional medieval Catholic lay line for you. Across Europe, there are seven churches to the Archangel Michael. Oh, yeah. Seven. They were built, they were built, uh, completely independently without any organization over a hundred to be years and they form a perfect line on a map. And, and you know why? Allegedly, that's where our, our, our, our, the angel Michael struck Satan down to the ground is across that line. Yeah, any crashed into the UK. Right. Exactly. And that's the actual lore. That was the start of the millennial kingdom. You could see, you could see that lay line. If you want any of those things and look, this is, neither of these are exhaustive lists. If you come up with your own that is in that spirit, just email and say, Hey, with this qualify. And, and I will probably approve it and let's stupid.

26:05But it's just to get out there and do it and earn these badges, folks. They're going to be good for you and they only cost $50 and then you'll, but you have a story to go with them. You have a story to go with them and you grow as a human person. And it's at that point of this podcast to grow as a human person. Why is everyone insane? And isn't it lovely that they are? I was at the YMCA the other day swimming. You go to the YMCA, Kavi. YMCA. No, I don't. I used to stand for Young Men's Christian Association. Now most of the people there are neither young men. I guess they're probably still majority Christian and I guess it's an association. And mostly, I would say the gender ratio is probably 60, 40 women at this point. And age probably skews more elderly. But that may just be because I go in the middle of the day. So there's a lot of retirees there.

27:05Maybe afterwards there's younger people. I know there's a lot of kids that go and they're involved. Anyway, not sure what the age distribution is, but it's different from its roots. But I was up there the day and I was swimming because I like to swim for exercise. I'm not the greatest swimmer in the world. Certainly no Michael Phelps, right? But I swim okay. Anyway, I was up there swimming and there's this older lady there. There's a lifeguard, probably 25-year-old lifeguard up there. Right? And he's up there. And in the water is a 70-year-old woman. And she's got her little water weights. And she's just sort of bouncing around doing whatever she's doing. And I'm over there swimming laps. And I hear them talking. 25-year-old man out of the water. 70-something-year-old woman in the water. And they're going back and forth. Going, well did you see what they said about Epstein?

28:05And she was a little bit not Jewish, but like Bostonian. I don't know why. Did you see? And my daughter-in-law, she found out I voted for Trump. She hasn't spoken to me since and I called her and I said, I raised your children. I raised your children and he goes, I know it. These people have gone crazy. They've got to, he's just going right along with her beat for beat. He goes, and you know it's because of the 5G. She goes, I know the 5G's making everyone insane. You know, my sister was trans. Is that how they're all trans now, honey? And I'm like, God, what is happening to everyone? Everyone has gone completely nuts. And I can't really blame them. Nothing makes sense, right? And the stories people tell themselves about why the things are happening don't make sense. So you have to come up with your own. The official stories never make any sense.

29:07Like, why are we doing this? What are we doing? What's happening? You know, everything that the government does. It's like, it doesn't make any sense. And everything the society does. So people are coming up with their own. And that's kind of lovely. And so I've got this. There's a dragon here. It says, there was a dragon and he hidden the mountains wanting to destroy the princesses castle. And there's Alex Jones. There's Owen Benjamin, both men that I like. And there's the urban prepper. And there's a poster for the fall of the American Empire, the late stage capitalism. A box article saying, is America collapsing like Rome? And the thing is, see, people have to live inside a story. Stories are what connects. A narrative connects all of the desperate facts of your life into something that kind of makes sense of it. And everyone expects in their heart of hearts for the good guy to win in the evil Empire to fall. Is this making sense, Kathy?

30:07And the story is the dragon always loses. Am I still standing good? Yeah, you're not a robot anymore. Good. And so everyone looks around and says, well, things are going nuts. And this is what everyone says. Things aren't going how I want. Therefore, quote, the system, quote, is evil. Therefore, quote, the system, quote, will fall. Because we all expect the dragon to lose. We all expect the dragon to lose. There's a book called Evil Geniuses in the Unmaking of America. American Evil with a skeletal or Uncle Sam. Donald Trump, the conservative vampire, you know, people are like, oh, we're everything's about the Jews. And they got the American and the Israeli flag up there. Regardless of what they say, everyone pretty much believes in karma. In that they think the wicked will perish. They think eventually you're going to get yours if you do an evil. And so this is what funds people thinking there's going to be a collapse.

31:11Oh, and Benjamin thinks things are going to collapse. Alex Jones thinks things are going to collapse. Leftist thinks America is going to collapse. They talk about late-stage capitalism, late-stage empire. They're all been prepper, famous YouTube guy. He's always like, here's what you do to prepare for the collapse. Collapse, collapse, collapse. Um, you know, the weak small underdog is, and they do this because evil must go down, right? And so if we're being evil, we have to eventually fall. I can't go on forever. And also the conversation that is after enough time, whoever wins is seen as a good guy, no matter really what. Week small underdog is the princess. She's good, moral and just. And people always identify with the princess, by the way. And then there's Gorgol the dragon, big scary ugly, powerful equals evil and moral and wrong. And this is the conservative dragon. Uh, Gorgol the dragon is so big and evil that just as demands he die.

32:11And people ask of heaven, they look up the heaven, they have their little pine flag. They're Washington pine flag and they, of a pine tree standing tall in the hill. It says appeal to heaven on it. And they look up at the sky, they look up at all the evil going around them. And they say, well, the judge of all the earth not do right, which is what Abraham said. To God when God was talking about destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and he asked him, look, God, I know Sodom and Gomorrah is crazy. But will you destroy the good with the evil? What if there are 50 good people in that city? You're going to kill them too. And he goes, okay, I won't do it for 50. And he goes, oh, good. Well, if you, then you wouldn't do it for 40, right? And he goes, yes, sure. And then Abraham continues in this weird sort of bargaining with God that takes place in the Old Testament. He goes, okay, well, what about 30? What about 20? And finally he talks about down to 10 and God goes, okay, look, if there are 10, I'm going to go send some angels in there to see,

33:15he sends two angels. I'm not, they're going to report back to me about how terrible this is and how bad it is. And if there are 10 good people, 10 righteous people in that city, I will spare it for 10 people. And the conservatives look around and they say they scream at that and they look at all this evil. They say, you know, they see the Israeli thing. And that split, a lot of conservatives love Israel. The more hard-minded right people think that the world is run by choose and they don't like it. They've also got the rainbow flag here. They've got immigrants, Jeffrey Epstein, feminism, communism. This is all gorgal, the dragon. And it's all evil. So he has to die. It's karma, right? And the progressives have the same thing. It's funnily enough, the Jews are also there. I'm sorry, I'm not doing that, Jews. It's people doing that. Listen, pay my plane ticket and I'll fly over there and I'll pray at the Wailing Mall too. Just for the vacation, I want to see Tel Aviv. I've never been.

34:17But I don't mind putting on a Yamaha and, you know, hanging out. We'll eat some couscous to be great. They've got to back the blue. They hate the police. They hate the white nationalist. You know, I'm musk. I think there's a patriarchy that could puppet women around and they hate Donald Trump and make America great again. So we've got two different dragons here. But the idea is the same. There's this big evil thing in the end. Evil falls because the world is fundamentally good. And righteousness prevails. And so evil must fall and give way to that's the whole thing of progressivism. Over time, all these evil things are going to go away. Right. But which is the real gargol? Go call. I've got two dragons facing each other. One is Patrick Clancy in Big Pharma. And the other is Lindsey Clancy. And it's interesting that these two political camps with these different dragons mostly split up along these two lines. Which I think is interesting because they really don't have anything to do with each other.

35:21Honestly, other than I guess she's a woman. So feminism, I don't know. That doesn't really make sense though. In this case, it's clearly Lindsey Clancy. If any of this is not a siop, this is an easy one. I don't know. If, okay, let me just go to practice this because I think there's more to this story. But if things happened as was presented in the court case, clearly she's the bad guy. And every conspiracy theory I've heard, which makes it like Patrick did it quote unquote, just sounds so loony tunes as to be just dismissible outright. You know, like they're like, she claims she heard a voice, a man's voice telling her to kill the children. And people are like, well, what happened was she, he drugged her with all those men she was taking. And then from like a secret room was like, kill the children. And she doesn't notice this somehow. She's so drugged out that she's unaware of anything in the world.

36:22And thanks another person speaking is her own voice or God or a demon or whatever. But also aware enough to carry out three murders. And then like it doesn't make that's the whole thing with an insanity defense. Like I'm insane. But I'm insane in a way that I'm still functional to accomplish tasks. Does it, if you haven't met an insane person, they don't really, the kind of, they kind of just, they're kind of falling apart. You see them on the street. They're not really accomplishing much. They may get violent. That's true. But it's never really like a planned violence. They don't set up a plan in advance. It's like a dog when you frighten it or scare it. They may lunge at you, right? But it's not like a, I'm just saying, they're taking three children and strangling them with exercise bands is, it takes some awareness. Right. And that's pretty clear.

37:26But here's my thing. So that's my, that's my, I don't, I don't understand the whole why people are wanting to have these. If you're going to have a conspiracy theory go big, all this like he was somehow, this is the problem with conspiracy people, at least novices like on TikTok who don't really have any business doing it because they're, they're, they've never done it before. But like you can't, it's just, it can't be that someone's in another room going, oh, you must do it now. Like bugs bunny and then he opens an acme box full of weapons. I don't know what they want. And then she jumps out of a window headfirst allegedly, but is she's okay because her neck is a spring. It's like, oh, it's such a cartoon description, what they're saying. Right. So my point is if everyone's going to be insane, let's go with it. Let's go man. Let's test the most schizophrenic theory out there because I got one. I got one for you people. Okay. And it's one in which actually neither of these people are the bad guy.

38:26And I hope that's true. I hope that's true. That'd be nice. But if the story is as it was in the trial that she's the bad guy, and that's pretty clear. What do you think so far, Kaby? What are your thoughts on this old Lindsay thing before we get too far into it? Oh boy. How in depth do you want me to get right now? Because you probably have a lot to say about this coming up. Now just tell me your, pretend the story is as presented in the trial. What would you think? As presented in the trial, I think it's very clear that you did it. And there's evil in her heart kind of like we talked about in the previous episode and she planned this for a while and laid a trail of evidence that would be used later in court and all of that stuff. According to the trial. I agree. That's what the trial looked like. And you have to go outside the trial with them. But like I said, let's go with the most of the same theory.

39:27Because let me show you these two pictures. This is Patrick Plants' new wife and this is Lindsay. They may be the same person. If you're watching online, if you're watching online. I mean, the new wife in this photo has makeup on. She's got her hair done differently and there's different lighting. But there's two could be the same people. And that's something that pretty much everyone agrees on that his new wife is very similar looking. So similar that one wonders if she's on the same person. Which is weird. And it wouldn't be the first time. You know, I said this about Austin Metcalfe in Carmillo, Anthony. I said, oh, he's a twin. He just so happened to be a twin. So now you can walk around like, oh, it's like, that's the little convenience. And this happens very, very frequently. We're like, you know, there was a certain school shooting allegedly years ago

40:28in which certain people were alleged to have died. And in which they then had a certain show at a certain big time national event in which people from that school came and sang and looked an awful hell of a much luck like the people that allegedly died. I'm just saying, if you know what you know what I'm talking about. And I think this is maybe their way they of showing because I've a long tentative of the shows that I always have to tell you. They have to put it in your face that what's happening is not what's being said. Because then they think if you fall for it, you're an idiot and you deserve to fall for it. That's how they're like, oh, right. Like if anyone's like, oh, yes, his new wife and it's the same woman. Imagine if I, if there was a sitcom, imagine Sign Tell or something. And what would happen if George is dating a woman and he breaks up with her and then he's dating an identical woman and everyone pretends like she's different and then Jerry and Elaine,

41:29when they leave, they walk up the door, is that the same woman? I know like that. There'd be our green mind is back. That's the same sort of thing, right? And we've never seen the two of them in the same room. Never seen two of them together. Although that's understandable, I guess. But she's never, but they they look damn similar. Like like this may be the same woman. Yeah, like that Brett Kavanaugh situation. Like the Brett Kavanaugh situation. Yes, I forgot about that word. The lady that accused him of rape was pretty clearly just him and drag. Anyway, also, Lindsey, this is just a one off. I'm just saying that the house where it allegedly occurred is 47, Summer Street 47 is 11, one of those magic numbers. It took place. It takes place in Massachusetts, coming up this trial in the spooky season. We're in the spooky season now. This is like to say them witch trials.

42:30You know, this house up here in the top right is the house that it allegedly occurred at. This is just a nice Salem house. And there's nothing lovely or my friends than a nice New England fall and a nice New England Halloween. Best place in the world for Halloween. My place has a bang up Halloween. Great Halloween. People have cauldrons in their yard and they stir it. Then they fish out candy for kids and people are. And they have little smoke going and it's great. They do great. But New England is the place where Halloween started. Really, I know the Irish people are going to get out here and go, no, Sam Hiding, whatever. And they're going to use the car of turnips. No. America, New England is where it is. Where it was born, really, and truly, and it's where it is the best still celebrated. If you want a nice Halloween or even just leading up to Halloween,

43:32go, go hang out in New England, go to Massachusetts, go to Vermont, go to New Hampshire, a beautiful country, especially in the fall. And the people there know how to put on Halloween is all I'm saying. This is that house that the killings allegedly happened in. Here it is on Zillow. I don't think it's a sell now. But it's listed at $781,100, three-bed two-baths, $17,000, $1732 square feet. Looks nice. They've cleaned up the blood. I don't know. Do you think in this case usually, usually, if there's a house that's a murder and it's a known murder, it makes the price go down. I don't know what this house sold for before this, but this is an increase or a decrease. But with this property, there's a bunch of sickos out there. And I think it may make the price go up. I'm not sure.

44:32What do you think, Cavie? Do you think this price, that it's main price, or is it degraded from where it was? Apparently, the DA bought the house. Right, the DA bought the house. But did he buy it? Which is very weird. That's suspicious. But I have no idea what he actually paid for it. Yeah. I don't know. Can we look that up like is there an MLS? There probably is. There probably is. I'm not going to do it. But they're probably it. But anyway, I was just thinking, here's what I was thinking. This is a nice little house. I like the color. It's a nice area, I think. That's pretty expensive. It's got an attached garage that was originally detached, but it looks like they've added a connector. Nice. It is expensive. But, and I was thinking to myself, I would not pay three quarters of a million dollars for a house where I knew three children had been strangled in. Even if I didn't believe in ghosts, which I do.

45:35Especially, but I just like that would just poison it for me personally. If I thought three small children have been strangled to death by their mother or father, if you're one of those people in this house and then a woman tried to commit suicide, also, I wouldn't buy it. I certainly wouldn't buy it for three quarters of a million. My wife would buy it if it was discounted enough. Well, she's Chinese, though. That's exactly how they think. The Chinese. Yeah, I bought this house at half price because someone was murdered in it. Yeah, the Chinese are Asian Jewish people. Don't get mad at me, Jews. Are you going to say you don't like money? That's ridiculous. Every Jewish person is looking for a deal. That's not a slight, you're good at business. But me personally, I wouldn't buy it. The value of a house is tremendously degraded for me if three children are murdered inside of it. Can't you just get like a priest to cleanse it or something? Even so, I just thought.

46:38If it was, you know, if it was a murder that had some justification, you know, like I don't know what it would be. Domestic, if a woman killed her husband because she found out he was cheating on her, I'd say, well, he kind of had it coming, I guess. And I could move on with that. But strangling three innocent children, I would, I just probably am not going to buy that house personally. I just wouldn't do it. Here's what it's like from the street view. They also really cleaned it up because in the court photos, it's really surprisingly messy. Surprisingly messy. And if somebody who makes that kind of money, yeah. Clean up for a while, I did for a while, I was a handyman. I ran a small business for sight income. And when people call you to be handyman, they call you because something is broken. And they don't have a lot of time to clean up their house. And usually you go to other people's houses and they tell you beforehand, like, oh yeah, come up from Friday and they cleaned it up. A lot of people are living until.

47:39Has anyone that does like AC repair or a lot of people are their houses not clean when you, if you go into it spontaneously. It's just the reality. Probably is part of the mental health crisis of America is that people don't. I don't even know that they didn't learn how to, I think just this, I don't know what it is. I mean, a lot of it's two parents are working or two both people are working. If two people, both the men and the women are working full-time jobs, there's no time to clean the house. They're most cases. They're just isn't. So that's a problem. And also people have larger houses now that takes longer to clean. You know, my grandmother kept their house very clean. It wasn't very big and half of it she never used. She didn't keep it so clean when she got older because she wasn't able to or she is it, but you know, half of it, you know, when the kids moved out like that half,

48:40they just never went in. So she had a very small area to clean. This is fairly large house. Let's say there's five people living in there making a mess, garbage, food. It's, you know, I understand why people don't have their houses cleaned up. People have connected it to the same, which trials because it's in Massachusetts. I think that that is somewhat valid. However, I wanted to point out it is like two hours drive away. Here it is from their house to Salem at the top. And there is from their house to Danvers, which is actually where the Salem, which trials took place because at the time that was called Salem. And the city of Salem, the name has sort of drifted toward the coast a little over time as the city boundaries have have changed. But here's here's a strikingly similar case. That of Lindsey Clancy. Deidre Morde, a 44 year old nurse, also a nurse, they're both nurses.

49:42From county Dublin, Ireland, killed her three children and then attempted suicide while suffering a mental health disorder. It doesn't say this here, but also allegedly from postpartum depression, slash psychosis on January 24th, 2020, three years to the day. Remember, this is strange. I don't know why you pointed this out. Why is the trial only happening now? Because these killings allegedly happened on January 24th, 2020. That's the first thing that confused me is because I saw a video of talking about that all of the men's rights people or the manosphere people were talking about how look how amazing the husband is and how terrible this is for him. And they shared this video. I posted it in the telegram where they're talking about how he's created this charity to help women with mental issues. He's created some charity to help children. And he's running in the Boston Marathon, which was the first flag for me.

50:43And they're talking about all this stuff he's done in the last year. And I was like, how old is this a video from the future? Like what the heck? Don't you have like in the States, isn't it in the Constitution that you have a right to a speedy trial? You do. Two, three years. You do. Now sometimes if it is often in the defendant's interest to delay the trial. So people can and have delayed, do you use all sorts of tactics to delay trials for three years? I know. That's a long time. For three years. Well, she was supposedly in a mental hospital for three years. I don't know. I think they've been saying she wasn't, she wasn't a soundmind to sit trial or whatever. Maybe. But I'm just saying it was three years to the so three years before this on the exact same day. Deidre Morley on January 24th in Ireland did basically the same thing. They're both nurses. She had three children, two boys and a girl. They documented psychiatric struggles before death.

51:46Sock psychiatric help killed all three children inside the family home, attempted suicide afterwards survived and made an insanity defense. And their children had the same initials. Connor, Dara and Carla and Korra Dawson and Colin. Which is the CDC. I don't know if that means anything. That's weird. That's just that's weird. Right. That's a weird coincidence. It could have happened. But that's like a hmm. Like when I, you know, that and then her looking to be the same woman. Makes me go a little like, I don't know. Like I said, if it happened as a trial, I think that she is, she should be in prison. You know, I'm not, I don't, she, she, I don't, but it just, I don't know. This is strange. That's really strange. And then this is really strange. Here's a question, Kavie. You know, I had this wild thought.

52:46I have the, this is basically, I said, let's go with the most, skits of theory ever. Maybe it's not. I had this wild idea while I was thinking about this. You know, we've had this, we've talked about siops forever. And we've always, we've always taken the position that siops are done by some nefarious evil force. What if this siop is is done by God or the forces of righteousness or angels even? I know that's crazy, but I was thinking, you know, I'll explain my thought process. This would happen. This case, the, the Ireland happened, a year following, very shortly after following the legalization of abortion in Ireland. Which was famously a Catholic and did not do that. Right. And and short like right after you had this lady who was, and she was found innocent, by the way,

53:50I think, the deeply more they by reason of insanity. Following the passage of this, this regulation of termination of pregnancy act in 2018. So a year later, they have this and then Massachusetts in August August 10th, where this one happened, expanded abortion up to up to birth, up to birth, which is pretty crazy. And then I've been, I just, unrelated reasons, I had been reading, I read recently this, the story of the Sodom and Gomorrah. And in that story, like I said, God sends two angels to see how bad Sodom is. And they go into Sodom and they look, they poke around and they're, they're disguised as normal men. And they discover that there's like gangs of roaming homosexual rapists there that are trying to rape them. And everyone in the town is seemingly in on it and is okay with this behavior.

54:57And there's more to this story because it's not just homosexuality. People miss this. It is actually recapitulating. The, I think the undertext is that they kind of get wind that they're angels or in some way supernatural. And they are trying to do what they did before the days of Noah, which is breed with the angels again to make the Nephil. Because that's a repeating theme. Like that's the big, the big sin that God doesn't tolerate above anything, to be honest with you, is humans and angels mixing biologically, whatever that means for an angel. That's a big no-no. I don't know why. I don't ask me, but that's a problem. It makes psychopsies and other things. And giants and all these terrible monsters. So I guess that's why. And he sends them there. And you know, I've spoken on this show before about my problems with the Book of Tobit, which is one of the apocryphal books that orthodoxy,

55:58the Catholic Stinkiff is canon and Protestants don't, which is fine. I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. But my position has always been, well, in that book, there's an angel that lies. And that's a problem for me, for an angel for lie. He doesn't give like a malicious lie, but he is deceptive. And I was wondering, well, kind of this is, these two angels are a little deceptive too. They're disguised. They're going undercover in a way. What if, what if, because listen, is God not also allowed to tell jokes? Here's Jerry Seinfeld, Bill Cosby, and George Carlin. And here they are with God the Father's head on them. Because I was thinking, you know, jokes are not the truth often. They're often based on a deception, but they're not malicious. And people, when they get the joke, aren't offended by them. And they're in good nature and good fun. And God must have a sense of humor since we do. So surely he also, and perhaps his angels engage in some playful deception now and again.

57:01Maybe. I don't know. So, okay, I'm going to cut in here because I'm glad you actually brought this up because the whole deception in the book of Tobit. Yeah. Because after that episode a while ago, I was listening to a study on the book of judges and this isn't an angel, but there is an incident where a woman named Yale lies to see if they're there at war with like, so I can't remember who they're at war with. But the enemy king comes and he needs a place to hide. And she deceives them. She's like, hey, come into my tent. And I'll hide you out here. And you can take a nap and I'll protect you. Keep you safe. Tell them that you went somewhere else. And she let he comes into the tent, goes to sleep and she impales a tent peg through his head and kills him. And that's seen as kind of like a righteous thing. So I was like, I don't know that seems deception might be okay in certain incidents.

58:04Yeah, I don't know about that, man. Like that seems a. That's a bit extreme, but it's been extreme. I don't know about that. The deception is kind of praised. There's definitely that. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, Jacob was a deceit. My point is, I think there is a good. There's a. Jacob's deceiving is a little bit different though. I don't think that's ever like is encouraged. I think there's a yin and yang to everything. And there's a there's a white yin part of deception, which would be humor jokes. That sort of thing. And then a black part. And maybe maybe. I'm just saying so revise my. Here's one more one more deception. Anything at Christmas, everybody talks about how Jesus was sleeping in a manger. Yeah. And one interesting theory I heard about that was the reason why he was in the manger was they hit him there because the Romans are trying to kill all the babies. And they're like, well, there's a bunch of animals eating out of here. We're not even going to look into that.

59:05And he just kind of hit in there. So that's also kind of deception. Yeah. So what if what if after these things happened? So Ireland passes abortion. And then Massachusetts says up to birth, which is crazy. Because clearly a baby that's about to be born is an infant, right? There's very little there. You can't even do the clump of cells thing at that point, which I don't think is a good argument anyway, but it doesn't even it doesn't even begin to apply. What if God was like, hey, go down there and see how bad they really are. That's just occurred to me. Go down there and see how bad they really are. What if what if this is like, hey, how many of them will cheer for the killing of outright children? Are they actually deceived about this whole clump of cell? Do they really not let's take let's take kids that are clearly clearly alive and sentient have their own desires and they how many of them will clap for that?

1:00:09And I don't know, but a lot did. And I think that told heaven something. And there's other clues in this too like, here's Lindsay Clancy in a photo from the court. And for some reason, there's a tray behind her and it says, Avracadabra on it. And I don't know what that's about, but it's there. There's a very, she's also engaged in pharmacia, right? Which is the old thing for witchcraft for sorcery, which is drugs basically. That's where I found the new wife. So is the new wife exactly? They're both engaged in pharmacy, which is the root word for that is poison, magical charm, also healing remedies. So in the old ancient world, pharmacon, in the ancient Greek, could mean both like herbal healing medicines, but also poisons and also magical charms. As it can today with crystal ladies. And it's one of the things that is given to people by the angels after they breed together.

1:01:10So she, Avracadabra, she's engaged in witchcraft or sorcery pharmacia. Here's a list of her alleged medications and she also tried to fly. And I realize that, right? She takes that she has the drugs, the pharmacia, and she leaps out of a window. It's very, and it's in, it's the Salem Witch Trialsy thing. It's very witch agitation. It's very witch agitation. This whole thing, there's the killing of children like an ancilling grattle. There's the, there's the, there's the, there's the pharmacia, the magic. There's the trying to fly. Is this, is this connected? And here's the, you know, here's some of the medications she's on. Like this whole thing, like she wasn't really on many of them for long. It looks like she was like trying something, like this isn't making it better, give me something else. She's like, okay, give me the, it's the same doctor many times, seeing her, Dr. Jennifer Tufts, over the course of these months.

1:02:11And I think there was other doctors too, but she's clearly like, to me anyway, going in there and saying, you gave me this, I'm not feeling better, give me something else. Give me this, you know, one of these has just been a drill. I don't know, that's not really. But what if, what if it was like go and see how bad they are? Just like with, you know, Paul says in the, the New Testament, some of you have entertained angels and awares. Have I told you the story? My, my, I swear, I swear my dad told me this is a child, but he doesn't remember it. Maybe it was someone else. Maybe it was something I saw on TV. Maybe it was one of those Oprah shows where there's the lady gets on and talks about time by the name Joe. I don't know, but I, I'm 90% sure, to 93%, it was someone in my real life and I think it was my dad told me that he worked with a guy who, or knew a guy, I don't know, someone in our area and where we lived growing up was probably two hours away from the big, like hospital where you would go if you had

1:03:11bad cancer. And this guy's son, who was young, seven or eight years old, got some sort of childhood cancer, the chemi or something and it was not looking good. And during this time of treatment, he was staying in the hospital and the father still had to work to maintain insurance and all the stuff. So he was up here and he would drive down to the hospital in a weekend. And the mother stayed in the hospital with the son. Right. Or she had a room nearby and came over there every day. I don't know how it works. But anyway, and he said, you know, he was feeling really, they were not getting good reports. He's very down on one of his, it's Friday night. He finishes work. He is loading up, or I'm sorry, it's Sunday night. He finishes his time with his family at the hospital. He's like, I got to go back for work in the morning. It's late because he stayed there as long as he could. He's trying to get as much time with his son as he can. And he gets in the car and he drives and he has to stop for gas and it's like one in the morning. And it gets like a two hour drive. And while he's there,

1:04:16he stops and he sees this big black fellow, sort of big as in fat, homeless on the side of the street, on the side of the gas station, they're sitting and he says, Hey, man, I'm thirsty. Can you give me something to drink? And he went in there and he bought himself a mountain do and he bought this guy mountain do and he gave it to him. And he said, the big black fellow opened the mountain do and he drank it and he said, Hey, thanks, man. And then as he was getting in the car, he said, Hey, I want you to know everything's going to be all right. Okay. Everything's going to be all right. Don't worry about it. He said, Okay, man, he didn't. And then he got in the car and he drove home. And it was like, you know, still like an hour away. He gets home. It's like three in the morning. He goes in the house. He goes takes office clothes. He goes into the bedroom flips on the light and there is that black man standing there in his room looking at him and then he closes his eyes and he shakes his head because obviously the end of the black man has gone. And the next time they went in for a scan, this his son was clear of all the cancer and he never had a relapse. And this, uh, so there are

1:05:22black angels and they drink mountain dew. But my point is, St. Paul talks about that, you know, angels are sent to see how we'll react to them. It's like they were in the, uh, Sodom and Gomorrah case. Maybe they do more extensive things than that. No, I was wonder if he'd not given that fellow, was it like a test of degenerosity? I don't know. Maybe if he'd not answered, you know, help the homeless man with the drink, but he had the miracle. I don't know. But maybe they come down here and test us in more extreme ways. Maybe this is a scept from God. Maybe he said, go and, you know, I've seen that they have, I've seen that they have really gotten into killing children. But, but are they actually confused? Let's go see. Are they actually confused? Will they kill them when there's no ambiguity and will they cheer for it as they have for abortion? And maybe this is what the angel saw as a bunch of women doing hand

1:06:24hearts for the triple child murderer. I don't know. It would certainly explain how these sideups are, are able to be done if they're done by God and say, you know, angels, that would make, like, oh, right. Well, of course they're, they can get away with it. Um, but a bunch of women doing hand hearts for a triple child murderer and making it a feminist project is wild. And ladies, I understand it's not all of you. I get that for sure. And I understand there's lots of problems and that women do have it hard and it's hard being a mother and all that. But you, this is indefensible. You cannot, the cheering for triple child murderer is crazy. I understand you get let away on TikTok and some of you think that Patrick did it whatever, but crazy. Okay, that's crazy. I made it with a little witch's hat. Here's, here's a Lindsey with a little witch's hat on. Here's these ladies with a, whatever's a witch's trial conducted by God.

1:07:25I don't know. But you know, also, here's her, here's her alleged nanny. And she said in the trial that Lindsey was a wonderful mother. And you know what? I'm sure that was also true. To be honest with you, I'm sure that she was a loving mother until she strangled them allegedly. If it even happened. And, but that's the thing. People don't want to believe that, um, you know, Kavi, I think of it this way. Should we be judged by our worst moments? You ever thought of it that way, Kavi? If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me my best. I know. Should we look, a murderer spends 99.9999% of their life not murdering. And then we're going to hold the one. I mean, how long did you take to murder someone? A few minutes if that, you can stab someone in that real quick. You know, and you're going to hold those 10 seconds against me. You know, huh?

1:08:28That's the thing about like, you know, and I would even, a lot of domestic abuse and a lot of child people that killed their children or whatever. It happens so quick. It's like, like I said earlier, it's like a dog when you make them angry, they just snap at you. You know, like there's a, there was a case. No, I'm going to go. Woman was boiling some water to make rice or corn or something. She's just her child made too much noise. She screamed and she just reflexively threw the boiling water at the child, which is terrible. But I can see that I call a lot of people have that in them. And I think a lot of people are just like I was mentioned before, deeply unaware of how they think they only look at themselves and like, look at all the love I've have. But they never, they're always running away from that other side of them, which they do, which they do have. And here's a picture of the Central Intelligence Agency, which I support.

1:09:29Because Cinderella is the wicked stepmother and the only good guy in that story is actually the government, which I know is a bit of a left term, but that connects. This is not relevant. Here's the Pope with a halo on or the last Pope Francis, kissing Donald Trump with horns on. This is not relevant to anything, but while I was looking for images for this, this came up. And I was just wondering what was going on in the person, the head of the person that made this. That's quite a piece of artwork. What was happening? It was a lady in a YMCA pool going, I raised a children's share, you're gonna transom. Yeah, I don't know what's happening, but what was happening in this person's head? Anyway, I Richmond syndrome. Yeah, here, there's this book, this lovely bit awful book by Martin Daly in Margot Wilson. I think it came out in 1994 called The Truth about Cinderella. And it talks mostly about step parents. And there's an incredible body of evidence that most adults,

1:10:33I underline that because I want people to internalize that. Most adults, meaning most women, most men will actively harm children. And if not actively, passively. But also, yeah, but before I get into that really, I want to ask the question because people get mad about, you know, all this. And then see the Lindsey Clancy case as a, again, it's the how evil is the empire, it has to collapse, right? Look at how terrible these people are being these these women or these men, whatever you think. My question is, are people actually getting worse? This is a horrifying thought, but maybe we're at the best we've been in a while. If we are being tested by angels, maybe we've done good this time, compared it on the grade it on the curve. Because, well, first, in 1954, a very similar thing happened, and she was a constant, constant's Fisher. And this is not, I mean, I'm just using this when the show,

1:11:33there's been many in between there that I could have used. But this was just showing it's, it goes back to the alleged golden times that conservatives are about. Constance Fisher was a mother of three who dropped her sister, her three children in a bathtub. And they gave her an insanity defense, and she was let out. And they said she was, you know, same exact reasons. They didn't use the same language, but basically, you know, new mother couldn't control her hormones, hysteria, not her fault. Then she married again, had three more children, and she killed them again. She killed them again. And people that are out then, because of the same like, Hey, and they wrote a book about it called the constant's Fisher tragedy, and they used the same language tragedy, not murder. Like she just had, she just couldn't help herself from doing it twice. Tragedy, like the, the Clancy tragedy. People have had this thought. I put, oh, I'm Benjamin here, because he, I like Owen, but he's really having, you know, if I think he thinks a lot of these

1:12:35things are a siaps as well, but from listening to him, if it's not, he thinks it's Patrick's fault, which doesn't make any sense to me, or whatever. I don't see how you get there. People have an incredibly difficult time believing women can be evil. And I know he does this because I've listened to him. And he basically thinks that women don't have the ability to act on their own power. And anything they do is just a response to the man in their life or absence of man in their life and how they're leading them, which I get that a lot of women are also making that argument this time. But I look here on maps, we believe women are people too, meaning that we believe that they're equally capable of doing good and evil. And in fact, here's a, here's a thing for you. Female violence very neatly follows male violence in that people tend to only attack those who pose no threat of retaliation. Here's all the abortions. And in fact, it is more likely for, if your child is going to be murdered by one parents, instead of both, you're about eight times

1:13:36more likely as of 2024 to be murdered by your mother if you're an infant. And so my question is, are we actually getting, are we actually getting worse because in, in, in the early 20th century in English law, 1922, which then spread the most of the commonwealth, including Canada. We have an fantaside laws and in fantaside was made as a different category of murder to so that women could get away with it. That's 100% what it was. They had murder and they had manslaughter and then they made up something else called in fantasize, it is a legal definition. It doesn't just mean murder of a child, it's a different legal thing, which carries a reduced sentence. The Infanticide Act of 1922 effectively abolished the death penalty for a woman who deliberately killed her newborn child. While the balance of her mind was disturbed as a result of giving birth, EG, before they had this language postpartum depression, providing a partial defense to murder.

1:14:38The sentence that applies is the same as that for manslaughter and actually somewhat reduced, I believe, meaning that basically in Canada now, you can kill a child up to one year, I believe is one year old, no, five older. If you are, if you can make the defense that you are quote-unquote lack, it's caused by your lactation because this is written back in the 70s, you basically got off scot free. In New Zealand, in 1961, they did the same thing for a child up to 10 years old. In New Zealand, right now, it is the law. If a mother kills her child up to the age of 10, because quote, her mind is disturbed by childbirth or lactation, you get a max of three years in it for killing a nine-year-old. And so the question, I think this is maybe a healthy response that we're having. Maybe Lindsey Clancy gets off, whatever, but at least people are outraged about it. What do you mean you can kill a nine-year-old because you're breastfeeding? That's insane.

1:15:44That's so ridiculous of a thing, but people have had this, people have a terrible time believing that women can be evil, but they can be. They can't be women too. Not anymore so than men, the same as I'm an equality, equality, I'm a girl scout, okay? I'm a girl scout. I see that women can lead and they can run organizations and I work with fat lesbians sometimes, okay? And we get along great and I know they can do stuff and I know they can be evil. They can also be good. This is a place of equalness. They can also be good, okay? And people are just so, it's like, what? She was breastfeeding another child so she killed their nine-year-old. That's okay. The fact that people are even mad about it now whereas in like 1960s, they're like whatever,

1:16:45hey, we maybe the angels gave us a positive, like hey, they're still bad, but they're on the upswing. They're still bad, but they're on the upswing. You know, maybe, um, possible. Um, let me see here. Yeah, and so possible. I don't know, but this is the reason the New Zealand thing stops at 10 years old because a 10-year-old might fight back. That's old enough. I've seen 10-year-old children and with small enough mothers that the 10-year-old might can take them. 10-year-old son versus a smallish woman, maybe it's a fight. And that's why the law stops there at 10 because that's when you can maybe fight back. Female violence follows very the same as male violence. People, like people on the street that rob people don't pick targets that might be a problem.

1:17:48They just don't. They're not stupid. They're evil, right? This is why Lindsey Clancy didn't snap and kill someone her neighbor because her neighbor may have killed her back. You gig, but she had no, there's nothing to worry about fighting a four-year-old. You can win that fight every time. And the New Zealand law stops at 10 because a 10-year-old is when you might be like having a weakened, that might be a problem, right? Female violence is the same as male violence. People attack, if people attack those that don't have a chance at fighting back, most likely. This is that constant picture. Allegedly, she looks like that. And she looks a lot like Lindsey Clancy, which is again strange. Anyway, we got to jump into our interview with Frank here, but the longer the shorter that Cinderella, if you want to read it, it's a PDF online. It's a short book, very short, about the truth about Cinderella. Step parents have about a one of either sex. Step moms that dad have about a 100 times

1:18:48greater chance of abuse or neglect. And children in step families, this is why there's Cinderella, the wicked stepmother and the wicked stepmother in the Hansel and Gretel stories. And the focal point where people ask why was it mostly stepmothers? It's because stepmothers used to be way more common than stepfathers because women would die in childbirth. You get another one, you get another wife, and she would present the children from the other woman and try to kill them in a lot of instances or at least run them out of the house at home. Now that period pools have divorced and it's more equitable about when people die. Between the sexes, we have stepmothers and stepfathers in about equal proportion and they're all sort of terrible. Not really. I mean, if you're being a good stepmother, hey, great power to you. You're being a good, there aren't, but you know, there's, it's hard to step into a role. You're like, hey, you're going to be the, you're going to be the makeshift mother. You're going to be the, you're going to be the second father. That's a very intimate role with someone you have no connection to.

1:19:51And people resent having to even try because it's fake, right? You don't really, they don't really, I'm going to step into this nine year olds life and pretend I care about it as much as if it was my own kid I raised from a baby. No. Right. And that makes people resentful and angry that they're having to do that and even try. And so they just get all, uh, I've said about it. It becomes a problem. The child knows it's fake and they let last shout about it. It's, you know, step, having a step paired in your life, if you can help it, don't get divorced. It's way better for your children. Everyone that says otherwise is lying to you. I know it's not always your choice. Sometimes your spouse is just the problem or sometimes they want to leave. Try not to. Okay. You always got to think who's going to raise your children if they, if you're, uh, if you're, or why if her husband goes and remarries and they have 50% custody, hmm, you're going to, huh, what are you going to do? But for all that though, see, here's my point. America has been tested and there's more than 10 or the percentage of 10. A lot of people got angry. And I think this is

1:20:56why my point is I get that people want think that it should collapse because late stage capitalism is so, you know, coercive and evil and the rainbow flag and the communism and the Jeffery Epstein. But there's more than 10 Abraham said is there more than, what if there's 10 and God said, I won't destroy it if there's 10. And I don't know what the population of Sodom was and what, but 10, 10 people out of it was a small percentage. And we've got that percentage. And so America's not going to, the karma's not coming from America. That's not how it works. With the Lord of, with the judge of all the earth not do right. He's not going to destroy the wheat and the tears. He's not going to pull up all the wheat just because there's a few tears, right? America's been tested. There's more than 10. And so what you get my friends is the 1000 year American Empire. That's my point. What do you think about that, Cabby? That is a pretty wild theory. I know. I thought, well, when I heard that lady screaming,

1:22:01a pot of Lindsay Clancy in the pool to a 25 year old and him coming right back. I was like, well, if we're going to be this insane, let's just go for it. I do think I am, I'm leaning to wondering if this whole thing is fake. People were like, she doesn't show any remorse. Is that because maybe these kids never existed in the first place? Right. Anyone seen them? We've only seen pictures of them. Exactly. Exactly. There's a lot of weird stuff to like the husband leaves in one set of clothing. And then he's on the camera at the CVS and in one set of clothing is picking up the takeout in a different set of clothing and shoes. There is a lot of like really weird stuff. A lot of weird stuff. A lot of weird stuff. So I'm wondering, I'm not sure what the end goal of it is, but I'm beginning to think it's similar to the beach and pirate situation. Yeah. Listen, it may be this may be this may be a and this is why I support say because like the CIA has everything to look

1:23:03around. They say, you want these people to run the government? They're insane. They're cheering for it. We the deep state must be in control. And everyone goes, yes, we agree. I'm just saying you cannot give the government to these people. But that's also what and so I there's a high chance in my mind that that yes, evil is the source of these these what would you call it? Siaps. If it is a Siaap, but also I thought what if it's the opposite? What if it's a Siaap from above? Just a test. How many people is going to cheer? I don't know. Hi Frank. He's here. Is he here? I see his name. Do you see him, Kaby? I sup you. She's Frank. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm wonderful. We just got finished talking about a crazy theory I had about connecting the book of Tobit and the Sodom and Gamora Angels and Lindsay Clancy and the

1:24:05American Empire and Halloween, which I hope it will be, but now I'm going to talk to you. And I think that's going to be even better. But before we before we speak to you more, I just want to hear Kaby's final thoughts on everything that we just went through. What do you? How if you had to guess Kaby? If there was a dart board of all the possible answers and mine was up there, would you try to throw your dart at mine or someone else's? I don't blame me if you don't because I don't even think I would throw it at mine, but you know, maybe I don't know. I don't really have a better like the only other reasons I have is it's like the abortion industry trying to push like killing kids, like even after they're born. There's another crazy theory that it's because we need more government oversight and some crazy surveillance system that's always watching mothers to make sure they don't go insane. Yeah. Maybe I don't know. We already have that though. It's called an iPhone. I don't know. We know what people in our watching. We could be the phone is always the phone is always recording

1:25:10people. We don't need another but there's no official thing checking in and like taking your kids away if they're like, oh, we don't like what you said. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I don't really know ultimately what the purpose of the psi op is. Yeah. I don't need it. But it definitely seems so. It does. And maybe it's from God is my only point. Hi, Frank. How are you doing this evening? What's going on? Sounds like a heck of a conversation. It was a fun. I think if you if you'd listen back, there's no expectations I ever make of guests to like so listen to the show. I don't listen to it back ever because that would be so narcissistic to listen to myself again. You know, but you actually you also don't listen to me. I understand. Yeah. So do you listen to yourself? Well, you're I do not know. I can't stand it. Yeah. I mean, I don't mind it. But I just like I know what I'm going to say. I already said it. You know, yeah. I don't know. That's kind of

1:26:10where I meant. Like it's fine. It's fun. I was going to like I told you I was going to have you were going to come on after a mercenary, but the mercenary wouldn't you believe it flaked because someone in their thing got killed and he had to go on a funeral allegedly. Classic. Classic excuse, right? You crane ward someone was blown up. I've heard it a thousand times by now. You know, how many times can you get blown up over there? Guys, I guess a lot. Anyway, but you know, also strict. Do you fellas over there? It seems like the rough go. I wouldn't go fight over there. But you fight you were in the you were in the air. Yeah, I was I was chair force. Yeah. Did you? I can it was it was GW. Right. So it's like war is much different now. Even like five years later, it's kind of crazy. How so? But listen to you. Frank is an author of books. Adventure books. Trying to revive, I would say

1:27:16the genre which has not been killed, but it's been sort of diminished of, you know, Lewis the Moore, I think the same as that cowboy novels. If you know, the sort of masculine fiction books. Yeah, means adventure fiction. Abroad enough umbrella. He has some thoughts on like, you know, masculinity and war and so on. And I was going to have a great tie-in with my mercenary guest, but he they're so flaky. I see why they can't work a real job. I've tried, you know, this is just what happened when I had it was going to have the guy from the Taliban on. I had all these contacts. I had this guy who was in the Taliban and he was going to come on and talk about the Afghanistan war, the war on terror from his side, what it felt like. And then he also drops out the last minute. He says, that's your schedule. And then he dropped, this is why this is why they do terrorism because they can't work a real job. They can't keep a schedule. But, but you have, so I don't have really

1:28:18have a great, you have to come on after a show about Halloween and Lindsey Clancy. I apologize for that. I was at a great warm up to prime the audience for you, but now you have to come in sort of cold. Yes, that's fine. Let's go. So tell us, so I guess tell us about, and Kevin, feel free to jump in a nitty-monger. You have questions or comments. Tell us. So I finished reading your book, which I very much enjoyed once upon a time in Argentina. There probably some spoilers maybe about this book to people. But go go pick it up if you it's on Amazon. The paperback is very nice looking. Tell the people about your time, I guess the background of your military and what you think of how you felt about war in the military and what drove you to begin writing these things about, you know, because I guess the theme, a lot of the theme of your book is, I don't know, is it the, that's one of the themes I felt was there was like the necessity of,

1:29:20or maybe the inevitability of violence and the type of people that are drawn to it and why. Yeah, do you see yourself in that at all? Or did you in the military or maybe aspirationally, you would like to be, I don't know. I won't get too much into my military time. I was not at all a door kicker or a ground pounder. Yeah. I was like, you know, I was in a support role. Yeah. But so any of my experience on that front's kind of like tangential or incidental. I will say one of the things I tried to do in one's pond time in Argentina that was very much influenced by my time in was actually get the way guys talk to each other. So somewhat closer to reality. There's a, you know, there's like in popular media this idea that like that's their all boy scouts.

1:30:28Yeah. Yeah. And it's like in my experience, I love that. Well, it's mostly dirt bags on some level. It's just humans, right? It's just right. You know, it's the kind of guy that's young. Young full of testosterone. It is there to shoot somebody. You know, correct. Right. And so I did try and like, that's one of the things that irritates me the most about, um, I don't know, the military thriller genre or the military genre at times is just, um, you know, how heroic or watered down the characters are or the new, the new favorite one now is like the woes me PTSD like in the Odyssey. Yes. Yes. Right. Like PTSD because I had to, you know, yeah, because I invented the Trojan Adam bomb. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone like you have to be sad about

1:31:31it. And I think what you went through with your book, which was really refreshing, was that a lot of people doing this stuff actually are not sad about, um, healing people at all, really. And they have, you know, and but I thought was you, you showed nice of their justifications for it. And like internally, because, you know, they're in the book, you know, I'm not giving away to these brothers, um, but, uh, they are, you know, there's a, as soon as around Argentina trying to deal with, uh, Chinese illegal fishing by hiring mercenaries to go kill the Chinese they're doing it. And get on the boat and they, the guys who signed up for it, shoot a, a fisherman is like, I didn't know we were here to kill them. And he's like, what did you think we were going to do? And someone has to put a stop to, how are we going to stop the fishing? How are we going to stop the fishing? If we don't just, at some point, just stop it. We tried asking them to stop. They're not going to stop. And he's like, you know, but this guy's just like a slave out here being, he's like, yeah, I

1:32:34know, but that's the person doing it. You know, so, and it's like, it is like a very like, when you put it that way, at some point, it's like, yes, well, I guess that is sort of how it has to happen. Yeah, it is, um, it is a bit different in that respect from a moral, uh, like the premise, the premise is pretty morally, um, compromised compared to most premises. Like, I'm riding a sequel and, you know, it's all based around the cartel. And that's a much easier sell to an audience that we're just going to like carve through a bunch of drug addict cartel guys wielding a K-47s. But if you're asking like the audience to buy into killing an arm Chinese fisherman who may or may not, you know, um, even like be responsible for what they're doing. Because a lot of that labor is

1:33:38essentially slave labor. Yeah. Um, that's, that's a much different ask. And it's also a much different question because like, what do you do in that sort of problem where like the only thing that will fix it, at least that I can tell is some sort of violent action. Yeah, it's like, does someone get to get away with it? And this is, this is the, I would say this is the problem of where violence meets modernity is the, I'm not touching you question. We see this in like the way people do protests with the way people do, um, like, uh, online harassment with like child soldiers or child suicide bombers. It's like, I'm, the people behind is like, I'm going to get right up to this line of like, it's not acceptable for you to respond. And I'm just going to hold it there, right? And then at some point you have to just, so if that's the game you're going to play, you

1:34:39have to have someone who doesn't care about that line anymore. And it's willing to, you know, cross it to make it stop. Yes. And that's kind of the, I would say that's the problem of violence and modernity and like where this, all this just war theory that people, people are asking is the war just has to resolve like, what do you do when the person is, is not, uh, actively engaging themselves, but it's putting intermediaries between you and them to carry out their violence. Yeah. And, and you know, you're, uh, you have that great essay. I think it's the first thing I ever read by you, Oh, and the librarian. Yeah, Oh, and the library, which I still like think about all the time. But if we were to rewind the morals like 2000 years, right? And you had a bunch of, you had a bunch of Normans, maybe 1000 years, you had a bunch of Normans fishing off the English

1:35:43coast and poaching all these English fish like, the English would not have any issue, setting a hard boundary there. And if you cross into our territorial waters, you're getting slaughtered, right? So, and you would happily turn on the history channel and watch, you know, the Vikings remaking this and understand it. Yeah. But then you pass forward to my dignity and all of a sudden, it feels different. And like, my question is kind of why. Yeah. And I think that's a great question. Like, like in the old days, it's like, it's not like it's really a new thing so much like, because there's been slave armies forever. People have been enslaved. It's sort of the military. And I think that I think the morality of the time was, and maybe this does tie in actually serendipitously, uh, is that the morality of the time is like, well, he who's holding the fit, though, the he was holding the gun or the bow and arrow, the knife is the person that's guilty

1:36:46of doing it. Like, yeah, okay, there's maybe a system behind you kind of forcing along, but still you are the one that makes the action. Yeah. That's the problem. And so he who holds the sword, it holds the guilt kind of. And so if you don't want to be involved, and you say, well, if I don't, they'll kill you. He's like, well, that's not my problem. Right? That's your problem. You know, right. And I don't know if that's, and so I don't know if that's, uh, I don't know if modern people can see it that way. And that's not good or bad to see it that way, but that is, that, you know, that was a refreshing take on how your mercenaries in your book saw things, at least most of them. Well, I appreciate it. That was, um, yeah, that's what I was going for. It's, it's something that, you know, I constantly niggle with. That's, that's kind of a, a thought is, you know, how come it's okay for David to cut off like 300 four skins?

1:37:48I mean, David would have in the Bible would have been guilty of many war crimes, right? I think they standard, right? As would most people in history that fall wars. Yeah. Yeah. And as would a lot of American servicemen today, actually, if, if we were able to be prosecuted, all right, listeners may not remember, but the official policy of the United States is if, uh, the Europe ever tries to hold us against war crimes, we'll invade the Netherlands. We actually wrote that down in the paper. Everyone else can be tried for war crimes, but not the United States. I mean, you have to get, you have to get something if you like invent the atom bomb and then don't take over the world. Yeah. There has to be like some, some benefits, right? Did you in, because I thought about joining the military, uh, which I'm glad I didn't, although I would, my dream job is to be a retired general, which you have to be in the military first.

1:38:48You know, because then you can serve on chairs and people fly you around and you can, you know, you have all this, I'd wear my medals everywhere. But, um, did you encounter, what is the average servicemen think about? Because like how, I mean, you know, the things the American military does sometimes, because I ended the show a little bit talking about the 1000 year American Empire, um, are a questionable, and is there a lot of, is there a lot of concern about that from you, what you saw in the military amongst people that have enlisted? Um, yeah, I mean, I think, I think people are people anywhere, you know, when you have like a volunteer force, um, like the United States military, where you have a lot of people joining for the benefits or for a ticket into the middle class, which is really not so much different than being a mercenary if we're honest. No, no, it's very,

1:39:50it's their sisters. I agree to help, I agree to help you kill people for money is what it is. Yeah. And then in return, I don't have to be, you know, a student debt slave. So, you know, that's kind of the trade off. And then I have, I have my piece of paper that buys me into the middle class. Um, so, so yeah, I think, I think there, there's all kinds of points of you on whatever we're doing, wherever we're doing it. Um, the fun thing about the military is if you don't fall orders, you go to jail. So that's, uh, that's kind of the main incentive. The, uh, the guy that was, the guy that was the, I guess the bad guy, although I don't, he wasn't, he was, I guess, had more of a gray fellow. Um, in the book, who is working for the CIA? He makes the case. He says, look, uh, yeah, the CIA is doing a lot of bad stuff.

1:40:52But we're fighting a thousand small wars all the time to prevent one big war happening. And I think that there's a lot of truth in that. And when you look around the world of the stuff that the CIA is probably involved in, that people get all upset about, let's see, I use a lot of stuff, but it isn't dumb. And it's doing things for like, probably actually the benefit of America in, in a, in a way. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think, I think that's probably fair. Like, the CIA is obviously kind of, uh, the bad guy in this book. And that's mostly because I love the trope. Yeah. Um, but I, I think to like paint them as like, uh, this, like super nefarious organization, not full of most likely patriots, you know, right, is probably unfair. If, um,

1:41:56you know, yeah. And I think people like people vastly underestimate, like I, I get people are like, oh, like that, Rand War was a, people super underestimate how less informed and intelligent they are than the people like the CIA or whatever, who are running those, like, yeah, they're destabilizing countries all the time in South America. And their response would be, yes, do you want Columbia to have a lot of weapons and power? Those people are crazy. Right. Maybe their response. Do you want someone like, like, like they would say, look, I mean, look at me. It's a look. It's fine. Any country in South America and tell me you want them to be super prosperous and like powerful. Be there, and they'd say, just give me one. You want, you want, what if Mexico had a huge military? Would that be safe for anybody, even the Mexicans? You know, and that is kind of like, um, it's, and it's, that is a point of view that is controversial, but like they have a reason for doing it. And even, even with the Israel stuff,

1:43:00they're like, hey, do you want Saudi Arabia or what I ran to be whatever? And I think a lot of people are like, well, yeah, but I don't know. Maybe I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying they have a point of view that is defensible. Yes. Yeah. I would totally agree. I think the conspiratorial thinking runs away with people, I think. And you know, sometimes I think it's probably also dumb reasons that the US is involved in shit that it shouldn't be involved in. Yeah. I think it's probably like swings both ways of fair amount of times. In your book, um, what do you, I guess, what would you describe as like your take on like masculinity and how that relates to violence? And um, maybe because a lot of the main character of this book finds himself immeasuring in the beginning in like a normal American life or

1:44:00normal Western life. And he can't stand it, right? And you're making sort of a commentary there on, I believe at one point he even goes out for a smoke and talks to his co-workers as this is gay as hell. Like talking about his, his office job. Um, which I think a lot of guys feel that way. And are you saying to them, if you're saying anything, what is the solution? Is it to run away and join a private military contractor? It might be. Yeah. It might be. I don't, uh, as a corporate drone myself, you know, um, I don't know, man, like it's nice to have money, but it does suck to like have to work. Yeah, actually, if you could do this earlier and you're like, I'm employed at that time. Right. Yeah. Like, um, so you should be like, Kavie. Kavie's not employed. I should be. Yeah. He's, uh, he's basically homeless, except he has a home. Kavie's living

1:45:03in the green. I am basically homeless. Yeah. Um, you can't, you, you have to avoid getting a wife. If you avoid getting a wife, then you can be homeless. And like, I'm pretty sure I could be homeless. Oh, yeah. I mean, like, what do the, I mean, it is like a, it is like a psychological problem that a lot of men do not like, um, modern life. And because you see, like, one of the most popular things on YouTube for men in their 30s to watch, 30s and 40s, I think is like, van my videos and the idea of just like leaving everything in a van and going away and being homeless in the desert. Uh, it was a weird sigh up for a while. It wasn't a weird sigh for a while, but it kind of, you see why they're coming from it. It works for a reason. It works for a reason. That's because, um, modern life is very stifling. And you know, one of the things about the

1:46:03Taliban guy was going to try to interview is he said something along the lines of, I was the happiest in the world during when we were fighting. And so now that we've like one, I'm doing like paperwork. You know, I'm like, we're like running the country and it's all right. Yeah. It's so boring. Everybody wants to war. Nobody wants to run the country. Yeah. Which is, yeah. That's the leftist thing in a nutshell. Really. They're always about a revolution, but they get power like, okay, when that run, fuck like, no, I don't want to be the man. I want to fight the man. You know, yeah. And that's why it doesn't work. The eternal rebels in Star Wars. The eternal rebels in Star Wars. That's right. Yeah. And that, do you, what were your influences writing the book where you like, my big thing I'm in that genre. I really like to cut into the barbarian series, which I've talked about before. The, uh, that's probably the biggest one that would sort of overlap with yours. Um, yeah, I've read a few Westerns in my time,

1:47:06but I never really got, it was never big into the cowboy thing. Mostly because of when I imagine a cowboy lifestyle, I would always imagine all of the like down time in between the shootouts, which just seemed to drag on forever. You know, it's like this, this also seems boring in a way. But I think you were really like pulled it. Is that my correct? You were really pulled in the, um, cowboy direct, like, it's two questions. Yeah. Is that where you got your things from? And why do you think that sort of genre has sort of not as popular as it used to be? Yeah. I grew up on Westerns. That's all my dad watched. Right. And so, and then I, I, all I read in high school was Westerns. So, I love the Western genre. Um, I don't love what's really funny now looking back on a lot of the Western genre is how, how nicely it maps to American politics and or morality at any given

1:48:16era, which is pretty funny. Like, oh yeah, like now Yellowstone, the Yellowstone, the Cowboys are sort of woke. Yeah. Right. Like, Cowboys have always been woke. Even if you go watch like Rifleman or or Gunsmoke, right? Um, they're not, they're not characters that walked out of 1850s. They're characters that walked out of the 1960s. Right. You know, so you have like the obligatory civil rights episode. Yeah. You have the episode about gun control. Um, um, when most of the Cowboys had probably were southerners that wanted the slaves to be steps slaves who then ran away to the West when they lost. Yeah. Like reality. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I don't know. That's, that's a morality as you can tell is like a pretty big, um, sticking

1:49:20point for me or like polarity. Um, I prefer something closer to Coney and the Barb Ahring. Yeah. Far as morality goes. Um, and so yeah, I, I, I, four, once upon a time in Argentina, it's obviously, um, I think you could classify it as a neo-Western. Yeah. On some front, it's structured that way. I borrowed some tropes. I went get the, the genre a few times. It's essentially the wild bunch on the high seas, which ironically, I hadn't watched the wild bunch until after I'd written it. And I was like, damn, I wrote the wild bunch. Yeah. The, in the wild, the wild bunch is a hilarious move. Have you seen it? You know, she, I've, I've not seen it. I would be very, very interested in your take on that movie. But he has great essay on it. But, uh, it's, it often gets classified as an anti-Western, um,

1:50:29you know, because the, the heroes or the main characters are essentially mercenaries and they're not great. They're not great people. Um, but it's not to say that they're immoral or not have a code like their code is loyalty. They're essentially, you know, the scorpions and they're being overwhelmed by a civilization represented by the ants. Right. At the beginning. Um, and it's, it's one of those movies that like you'll find a lot of conservative boomers hate, like really deeply hate. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's because, you know, their most conserved conservative boomers are classic liberals. They're not actually right wing in the traditional sense of right wing. And so I think the wild bunch is probably one of the most right wing movies it's ever been made. Um, and so it's kind of a funny, it's kind of a funny filter. Because it,

1:51:32it really filters on whether you like it or not, on whether you identify with the scorpions or the ants. Um, in my opinion. Yeah, you know, the, um, uh, uh, Bap Bronze Age Forever had saying in his book, he said the only honest form of government is a, uh, military junta. Yes, I think that's funny because it's someone, this is my kind of like, I know Trump is problematic for many reasons for many people and he hasn't done a lot of what he said he would do. And, but one of the things that's nice in my opinion is that he's just going out there and swinging a stick around and being like, listen, we're going to do this because we can. And that is so much more honest than pretending that it's for everyone's good. You know, like that, that, that is like HR lady control. Like, oh, well, you know, you're doing this because it's, you know, we want to be opening and welcome. And really we're just undermining like all of Europe, you know, taking that's really what's happening. We're like making them dependent on us for all of oil of, you know, natural gas. Yeah. And so I was like, no, we're doing this,

1:52:37we're doing this is good for us. And that, like, that's what people are upset about is like, don't say that. It has to be, we should get everything because we're good people. You know, and I think, I think that maps to gender, right? Like it's like, uh, in mean girls, where they, where they convince the, the mean girls to like drink the diet shakes, but they're actually like, high calorie protein shakes. I can't say I have not watched a movie. Yeah. But yeah, it's surprisingly not bad. Even I've seen that I haven't seen me girls, but is it? It's not a, it's not a, it's not a long time ago. That seems like a year. It doesn't it, Kavie? Yeah, you might like it actually. Okay. Is that, is that with that, uh, it's Lindsay Lohan before she went to Lensy Lohan. Yeah, I was thinking Lizzie McGuire, the girl that played this even choir. No, there's, there's a lot of

1:53:40great lines and stuff in that movie too. I think you would actually enjoy it. Okay. All right. Yeah. It's, yeah, I just, it's the, you know, where you see all over this is, and this is why I think your character said the, the corporate world is okay. It's because it's very feminine in its approach to like, because it is at the end of the day, string the coercive. It's like, you're gonna do this or you're gonna be out of a job, but your health insurance is tied to us and all this stuff. Um, but they try to frame it. It's like, oh, we're all doing this. It's forced teaming. It's like forced. You're on their team together. Whereas a lot more honest is, do this are I'm gonna shoot you? It's like, it's kind of a lot more honest, really. And in some ways, that's more respectful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it is. You know, the peak, peak coercion, I think, was get this vaccine. We're not forcing you to. Yeah. Yeah. You can't feed yourself. Right. Right. Get this, yeah. Like this, this, this, it's like, no one hat. Yeah. It's all,

1:54:44and it's for the good of everybody. And don't you want to be a team player and all this stuff. And it's really just, and I hated America doing that because that's just so underhanded. I would much rather prefer, I would rather America be good to all, but that's not gonna happen. So if they're gonna be this like Imperial force, I find it refreshing for them to at least be honest about it, which is why that's the thing I approve of with, with Trump. Now that he's been honest about anything else, but you know, at least he's been honest about we're doing this because we can't because we want that. And we want to. And it's like, okay, that, and I think what's his name even said that? Who was it? One of the Germans, he said, it's nice to have an American president. Does it pretend like they're doing this for our benefit? And you know, that's, that's so, that is such a good line. Like it's nice to have an American president who doesn't pretend they're

1:55:47doing everything for our benefit. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You know, and that is, and I know it's very uncouth because then we have to deal with, we have to deal with the problems you bring up in your book. Like, well, are we, what if we're the baddies? Or maybe if we're the goodies, being the goodies requires doing bad things, you know, right? Yeah. Yeah. And that's another, that's another favorite soap box of mine or question. Probably a question is like the old, the old might doesn't make right. Right. And it's like, well, but it kind of does at the end of the day. And you know, like, the strong does end up winning. It's, it's, it's just matters whether the strong guy is good or not. You know, it's not, it's not the fact that he's using might or is strong. That's the problem.

1:56:51But, um, you know, we have like 100 years of media that takes the tact that the strong guy is inherently bad. Produced, produced almost entirely by the country throwing its weight around. Right. So it's like, oh, but so obviously it's not us, right? It's so underhanded. It's so underhanded. Yeah. It's so, it's so, it's gross in a way, you know, like, and this is, we're going to moralize to you from behind the barrel of a gun. You better be democratic or we're going to shoot you. You know, right. It's, yeah. Yeah. And this is why like people just adore that the Jack Reacher's show, right? Cause it's, it's for all intents and purposes, Conan and a modern day city.

1:57:52Is it, I haven't watched that either. Is that a good show? Um, I don't, I want to say it's good. It's like fairly retarded. Okay. A lot of ways. But the same sort of morality. But in like, Brady and I have jerk before too that like sometimes Reacher's like, he's like beating people up for neoliberal values. Yeah. Like, like, you won't, like, you're not being chanted off. And he just hits. Yeah. Like, he'd punch a guy out for like calling someone to die. I mean, you joke. But like, that is like the, the cost is badly for war. Literally, we say that country. Look how homophobic they are. Let's bomb them. You know, it's like, it's so back. It's like, I understand. But like, this is why the honesty is just so refreshing to me. We're going to do it for like money. Okay. That makes, at least that makes sense. You know, like, we're going to do it to get money or to get power, not like because we care so much about gay people because they don't,

1:58:59it's like such a lie that they care that much about gay people. They're going to bother. It's all manufactured consent. Yeah. Yes. It's, it's, yeah. So, okay, give us, give us beside your own work. Is this your first book? I don't remember. This is my second. Oh, yeah. The other one was called Medisood Woman Is That True? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a mountain man, Western. I should read that one too. I should, I should our listeners. But besides your own work, what would you give us as like to encapsulate your view of the, both the problems of the world and maybe the solutions in as told through fiction? If you had to pick like five either shows, movies or books, people should, should go with. You already gave us the wild ones. Yeah. The wild bunch is a good wild bunch. You know, I think like the wild bunch and one mean girls too. That's fair.

2:00:05Dude, that's kind of hard because like, that's kind of why I write is because nothing represents my actual moral polarity on some of these Conan the Barbarian, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's for his favorite books. Once him dubs up there, I don't know that that that kind of like represents my world view though. It's all about loyalty. Really in front of him. Yeah. Do you find, do you have any of that in your like, do you have any of, I mean, do you do the things that he does in his book to try and cope with the homosexual nature of your dused, surf and box and all that stuff? No, I would say my hobbies are more like, fishing. One thing that's kind of funny, so you did ask me like, you know, how does a man cope with the

2:01:11stifle angle 21st century? And I don't think you have to, I don't think you have to join, go be a mercenary or join the military. But it takes, you know, like the 21st century and the the sit in your your hobbit hole and watch TV and then go to the fluorescent light place. Doesn't have to be your life. Like there's plenty of adventure that you can go get into outside of that, right? Like, I want to fix. I so agree. You can go get the patches that we're now being offered on. This is why I'm doing it in part. Look, you can go do this. Go do it. Right. Yeah. I mean, you can even even like going and not not to sound too much like BAP, but I mean, like, you think going and having a drunken night on a bar crawl is a way better

2:02:11life lived than, you know, spending it in your hobbit hole. Yeah. Watching Jack reach your beat. Other people up. Right. Yeah. So follow Cavies lead and mine, but the the unemployment maxing lead is good. Both of us are married and unemployed. So we're making it work. I mean, go be homeless for a month. Go be homeless. If you go late off and you don't have to, you know, you go be home. That's an adventure. Like you didn't you can opt into that and if you you can keep money in the bank and opt back into gay life when you're done with the adventure. Like I don't know. There's a living a good life and an adventurous life is totally a choice, I think, which is where I kind of depart with a lot of the black pillars and gamers and like, you can't do this and that. And it's like, you can go fighting Ukraine right now. You can't. And I

2:03:16wish that those people would get on a podcast, but they're so blown up. I can't. Yeah. I know what a bummer. Yeah. Okay. I know you got blown up and your legs are all makeled, but you don't need your legs to tap though microphone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. But yeah, that's another pet peeve of mine or or so box of speakers. You see all the all the doomerang, you know, about everybody's forcing an iPhone into my hand and forcing me to to work at my corporate job and what was me and there's plenty to go do. There there there really is. And we've tried to make it happen. We're trying to in this Incarnational podcast. Frank, before we finish, tell people about your newest book you're working on

2:04:17and how long before it might be done and what you are planning to do with it. Yeah. I'm currently writing the sequel to unspontained and argentina. Same cast of characters. Hopefully, hopefully a similar moral polarity. My knob is as gray since it deals with mixed cartels. And then I'll have a western out before that that's already written. Oh, nice. Yeah. Re-edited. That's about a similar Indian living in Indian territory in Oklahoma who has to go get his grand kid back from the command cheese. So are your westerns? Would you say that they're historically accurate as in like the tribes present and time periods and so forth? Yeah. You do a lot of research in that regard.

2:05:19Yes. As much as possible. Yeah. I you know, you have to bend things. Let me. Yeah. Yeah. There's a great no one has done this as far as I know. But there's a wealth of stuff to explore. Everyone does westerns in the west. If you go back to the 1700s or 1600s prior to America breaking out from Britain, you can find some really crazy stuff of the British colonists and fighting the Indians in what is now the American South. A Georgia, Alabama, Virginia, Florida. Like insane stories of like people with musket fights, you know, crazy stuff. I mean, scowl, I mean, just all the way up to Andrew Jackson, honestly. That's where he got his, his, when his fame that eventually catapulted into the presidency was killing a bunch of Indians in a battle in I think Alabama, but I'm not sure. Yeah. No, 100%. That's actually,

2:06:25I have a few stories I want to use that further. I've never seen that time period and location done, but there's like a wealth of inferred crazy story things you could do there. Yeah. It's not really explored very well in fiction. I don't know why people do the conquistadors and then they skip all the way up to the 1800s. Yeah. Or even like when they do the conquistadors, like they don't do it, you know, in a pulpy, men's adventure sort of way. Like those guys were rolling around with war dogs. Yeah. It's like using them to eat Indians and since saying, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, I mean, before they like settled on who was going to get what? You had the British, the Spanish, the French and the Indians all fighting each other in like Louisiana. Yeah. Right. Crazy. And like making all the lights is back and forth and all this stuff. You want to really fun? Have you ever, you want to have fun like conspiracy or like

2:07:31sure alternative of history from that time period is look up the man Dan Indians. And then yeah, M&D and so there's a bunch of like first hand accounts of these essentially being white people Indians. Yeah. Yeah. The white, the white having like blue eyes and it's all from like Prince Maidok. So like the theory goes or the myth was that in like the 1300s Prince Maidok discovered America and was shipwrecked or settled here. And then his descendants became the man Dan. Yeah. Indians. And like, I don't know, you've got plenty of the thing with history is it's so controlled, you know, like the giants and newspapers. I'm like, I don't know where

2:08:38I think some of the stuff that like gets written off as all history or impossible could have definitely happened. And like, I think a cool plot would be like Spain wiping out the man Dan Indians because they didn't want like England to have a claim. Yeah. Like if they were if they were white and discovered, you know, then then England would have a claim to all that territory that they were fighting over. 16 1700s. Yeah. That would be cool. Yeah. There's a wealth of treasure trove of possibilities between the conquistadors and the cowboy era. Yeah. People just completely skip over. Oh yeah, you have it up. Yeah, I do. All right. Well, thank you.

2:09:41For everything. Yeah. We will. Thanks for having me on. For sure, man. And we will. I'll send you the link when this is all up and ready to go. But yeah, thanks for coming on. And I hope that you're not upset. I was as our guests. I hope you're not upset that about the intro. No, no, it's good. All right, man. I will talk to you later. Thank you again. And thank you, Mr. Cabe. Cool. Thank you. Welcome. See you later. Yep.