Rawdown #243: The Sunday Night's Main Event Preview Prediction Show

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1:53It's time to get raw. It is time to get down. It is time for your number one source of all things WWE right here on the turntable tavern. This is the raw down. I am one half of your host, CMP Marco. It with me as always, Jay Bugs. How you doing, sir? I'm doing good. Marco, it's been a very fun wrestling field weekend. I did not take part in all of the wrestling fun that was out there, but I'm sure there's some crazy wrestling fans, you know, like Tyson who's in the chat who probably took advantage of this wrestling field weekend and watched a lot of what was going on. There was a lot. Obviously we had we had Smackdown this past weekend. We had we had a not past week about on Friday. We had we had raw Monday and then two, you know, before that,

2:57AW had their pay per view. That big one of that big one is that Wembley. And we got a big one. Yeah, a big one. We got a couple of returns. Or actually not one return, but a you know, AW's on a seems like they're on a new level right now with with the addition of Xavier Woods and Kofi Kingston or now he's known as Kofi. They're all elite. And yeah, that was that was pretty awesome. Just seeing, you know, it looks like, you know, they look excited. I mean, that the the beginning of that match when they were going they were going nuts. I was like, oh, they're showing off the show and what what what we missed and what WWE from bold when they asked them to take that 50% pay cut that we found out actually was true. Well, even worse, I didn't listen to the interview, but I saw the like the quotes of it where they said it was basically more

4:00than 50% paid cut. Yeah, that they just signed. So they signed that they signed that it was a five year deal. It was a year into the deal and they asked them to take a pay cut a year into that, like whatever multi-million dollar deal that they signed up for. So you know what? I'd probably be saying. Yeah, it's business is business. I'd probably cut ties as well. If I was them, that's you know, I'm not I'm not sure if that's like if that's WWE showing that, you know, they don't care about them. Or if it's CKO just trying to save money in that sense, I mean, I don't look at the tag team division. Is anybody in that tag team division worth what they were probably getting paid? Like the way that they're being booked, I don't think there's not a soul a tag team that is worth whatever the hell they were getting paid to where they could be getting cut over 50% and still make, you know, millions like more than what we would ever want to, you know, make. Yeah, I mean, just seeing, you know, all them standing in the ring after that tag match, you know, the cage and coped new level,

5:08the bucks, FTR, just see like they're just that tag division's like it's stacked right now. You know, I mean, WWE would take a long time for them to actually get that get to that level. No pun intended with with their tag division. So yeah, it's a now it's a now thing. And I guess that's the one thing I did notice something like wow, everybody in this ring is a little well up there. But the good part about that is that every team in there is very much established can still go at this very moment, which means that you get good tag team wrestling now. Right now, you know, get it done now. You don't have to build everybody knows. Everybody saw what was in the ring and was like, yeah, they're there. They're already up there. Yeah, just one. Yeah, we get we get we get we got to finally get the bucks in the in the new level, formerly of the new day. I'm not sure if it's going to be a one-on-one or, you know, you know, like a tornado tag match with other tag teams, whatever the case may be.

6:09Hopefully they do it like it's a W there always tornado tags. That is true. Hopefully they do the same thing Brian Danderson did when he first went into AW he just took on literally everybody like Katie Omega. He like went after all the dream matches that any fan could even think of. Hang man, he went after you want to the the Katie Omega match. I would definitely go back and watch that if you haven't ended in a draw, but that one of the best matches like ever in pro wrestling. And I'm not just, you know, I'm not just saying that just to say you have two elite level nobody intended pro wrestler. It's not just me saying it everybody's saying it. That is true. I think I see that clip all the time. People always I know AW, which when I like what they started doing and I wish WWE would do this, especially if it's a really good match. They started posting like edits of a of their matches without the commentary. So you just hear like the Matt sounds, the crowd sharing and all that type of stuff.

7:11It's pretty cool. I wish I had WWE. They should definitely, I mean, if they're listening, they should definitely do it for the Penta and Ray Phoenix match on rock. Because there was one moment of that match. I have it in my notes when they went through the announce table and Joe test just freak the fuck out. I actually wrote after that I was like valid Joe test a tour freak out. Yeah. I'm like this is the one time Joe. I'm fine with it. This was fine. Yeah. Like, oh my god, Joey style is oh my god moment. Fine. Yeah. I'm cool with it. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, it's um, sighted weekend. We have a little bit. There's more. And there's more. Because Tyson brings it up because he watched Heatwave and all in when it all happened. That's right. Heatwave. And the early, well, earlier today, watch AAA because that also was happening because they double booked both. See, that's what I mean. I didn't watch either of one of the shows. I have a brief concept of what happened. Yeah. And I saw that, uh, whoever that one guy was that

8:15got on the AAA show that got Tyson's going to probably bail me out of this. But like the guy that got fucking picked up by like Roxanne's boyfriend and just fucking just tossed to the outside. Yeah. Oh my god. Like, overhead pressed him and just threw him and he just took a back bump on the, you know, half an inch thick mat. And I'm just like, uh, yeah, that was, uh, that was a pretty brutal bump. I seen a lot of people saying like, oh, I hope it was worth it. I hope it's worth you doing that. It's like, it's, you know, I mean, I'm pretty sure he was fine with it. I mean, that's one of those like when people let's say like, oh, wrestling's fake, even if they still like it or not, you're like, you know, I don't know if you like, and you show them that and they're like, ah, and you're like, yeah, that's a, that's an ah moment that bump. Yeah. Uh, Barbie Allen bump. Those are all. Yes. I mean, that was a holy crap. Yeah. The one that he took on, um, all in G's. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, when she made me and that's why I saw it in a man. I saw someone

9:20put their own ex just imagine to our be out in shameh McMahon and a match and I'm like, oh my god. I'm watching that. I mean, I don't even, can you even, you know, I don't know if you can ensure that match. I don't know. I'm too much. Well, I already get the graves already dug up and everything. Just. Yeah. Shane Mac, yeah. She Macman's another, he's like, he's early, uh, he's pretty darby Allen. He's doing some crazy crazy bumps to like for no reason. No reason whatsoever. I mean, he's the son of a billionaire. He didn't have to like do all that crazy stuff that he did fall and often scaffolding and you'll get thrown repeatedly through glass. Like, yeah. But anyway, but I just want to bring something up from AAA. They brought back the, um, the Latin American championship. Yeah. So it's, so I was looking at the history. I totally forgot about this. They started in TNA back in like 2011. It was when they invade, it was like an invasion between TNA

10:23and AAA. Um, I think, uh, I think they said Robin damn held it. He created, I think it was like the, it was newly created at that time. Um, so he won it and then, um, I think they did, I think it just like disappeared. They didn't use it after that. Um, and then obviously, you know, this past weekend, they had La La Parca. And I think it was what Davey and Priest actually knows a, um, it was a multi-man match. That's right. Geez. Uh, but he ended up parking and I'm wondering it. So he's a new AAA Latin American champion. So yeah, it was a, it was a, yeah, I didn't get to watch everything. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, I'm not gonna say, yeah, I won't show every single hour of wrestling. No, just that, no, I'm not doing that. I want to be honest. Didn't watch, I didn't watch AAA. Um, they definitely watch better than Eric Bischoff. I'll say that. Yeah. Oh, man, he, yeah, I was, I was watching his reaction to the Kenyau mega. Um, we'll all spray match.

11:25I don't know. If that's your solo wrestler, I guess it, it was a fine match. It's like, what do you mean? What's, what's your, what's, I, I would think they've ever had a bad match together. We'll ask for a Kenyau mega. All their matches that they've had, you know, previous to that, this match, I don't think they, they has been a bad one at all. Sometimes I just wonder if they're like doing that just for the, it's a different kind of take and it's him saying it. I'm to the point, I've been to the point. This is nothing new. Um, whatever I see something quoted from Eric Bischoff's podcast or anything from the wrestling observer, even though like I like Brian Alvarez, like I like some of the guys there, but like there's some of them where I'm just like, I can't take this seriously, even if it is true, and I just scroll past it. I see Dave Meltzer is the quote below it. I'm like, scroll. I'm just, I'm not even reading it anymore. If I see it from Eric Bischoff, I'm, nope, don't, don't trust you. I don't trust that you've actually even taken the time to watch Dave. I'm sure he has, but like, it's just don't trust your opinion. I'm

12:30scrolling. I don't even want to see. Yeah. Do you, do you think he watched it actually? Um, I'm sure he, I'm sure he watched enough to get an idea. It's just, it's just sometimes it just makes you question, but I got to say that I did not watch his podcast. So I know there's plenty of people that get clipped badly. And then you're watching the clip, like, and I'm, you're just sitting there like, that's not what how that went. Yeah. Like, you know, like, I'm a JD from New York fan and that happens to him constantly. Or like, I see this clip, and I'm like, he this clip, clip looks rough, but that's not what that was, that was not the context. Yeah. That on the podcast or like, even like Pat McAfee, that was how that happens to him all the time. They get clipped and you're just like, yeah, that's not how that, that was. If you listen to the two hours, three hour podcast or watching on ESPN or whatever, yeah, it's always a lead up to that, whatever the clip that they put out there to make either people look bad or look like a genius,

13:31or something like that. Yeah. Well, don't you hate that too? Or like with comedians or something, where it's like, oh, man, this clip's really funny. And you go and find their YouTube comedy special and you're like, yeah, sucks. Yeah, you found the only, you know, you found the only funny part of this special. Yeah. Someone actually who was, who was, I think it was a podcast. I was listening to them there talking about that about how like a lot of comedians nowadays are doing that that what they'll put out like, you know, they'll, they'll clip, they'll put like a crowd work, you know, clip on like, you know, social media. And you're like, you said, you're like, oh, man, this dude's funny. Holy crap. And then you go to like watch a special or watch like something from the material and you're like, the sucks. This is, yeah, don't I funny? This is awful. I think it's a way to like, like get people to, like you said, basically, just get people to like go to the show or whatever, then just complain about it afterwards, because they're not as funny as a clip was. There are obviously there are comedians out there

14:32that do put out clips and they are funny at the same time. So we're talking on intentional misdirection to like, there's one that's like, I think these guys are from like, Philadelphia or something like New Jersey. Like, I think it's called like, are you garbage or are you still garbage or something like that? I could easily find it. But like, I thought they're special was going to be a lot of that stuff. Like, basically, they'll like take comments from the audience. It's like, are you garbage if whatever the thing is? Yes, like trashy thing you do. And I'm like, oh, that must be like what a lot of the special is. Wrong. All the clips I saw was about that. That's like a few minutes of the special, which was great. The rest is their stand-up routine, which is perfectly fine. And it was good too. But that's not what I was looking for. I just see the, like I said, these guys are funny. It's no shot at them, but I'm like, it's like a misdirection. It's no fault on them. That was all I knew. And so I was expecting like a whole special of that. And that's not what happened.

15:35Yeah. Like you said, actually, you know, it's a good point you brought up the misdirection. Because you could do the same thing as a, like a fan of that comedian. And you go like, and you go tell your friend, oh, man, have you seen that special yet? I'm so and so. They're like, oh, no, I'm not familiar with that person. You're like, oh, and you go to tell the joke. And it doesn't land. So now I'm going to be like, oh, that, that, because you didn't say it right. Now it sucks. Now that dude sucks to that person. They're like, that joke isn't funny. But you ruined it because you didn't deliver it in the right way. So that's a misdirection on, on your part. So we can go, you can definitely go both ways in that sense. I've done that putting him times. I'm sure you have sure anyone you know, they do like in any art form or like music. You're like, oh, there's this like part of this song. And then you're over here like, oh, well, they didn't get the whole arrest of the song or like the whole what this band is. Or like a back story of them or anything like that. And you're like, I already hate them. Yeah. Somebody that's gone popular. And you're like, everyone's hating on them. And you're like,

16:39I guess I like them when nobody knew who they were. And all this hate wasn't out here on them. Whatever. Yeah. It's almost like the like, like, like, I mean, I hate to use like Taylor Swift, but obviously she is very popular. But that can happen. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I mean, there are people that like her songs and stuff like that. And if you were to show someone that, you know, was in that mix of like, oh, she sucks. And you show us on chances are, you're not, they're not going to even like even bad and I, you're not going to convince them any, any otherwise, but it comes to that. But much like Eric Bischoff, when you show me fantastic AW match, he still doesn't. It's an ask your boys match at the end of the day. Yeah, no, right. Yeah, that was a, but I never seen an ask your boys match. So I can't be over here like, you know, I don't fully get it. But I get it. But I don't get it at the same time. Yeah, I get it.

17:40What are you saying? Like, he's more, he's more or less talking about like the violence part of it, like the, you know, the blood and all that type of stuff. But to compare them to like, to a nasty boys match, it's like, can you think of another like two technical wrestlers that had a bloody match like a, not to compare it to like the submission match, or the I quit match between Austin and Bret Hart, but you could at least did that. You know, in that vein, as opposed to the nasty boys, I mean, like one of the like, not the worst tag team, but not the greatest tag teams ever. I don't know. Like, I don't even think they're not, I think, I think we brought them up once. Like I brought them up because when we were going through the alumni page, they weren't even in the hall of fame. And I, I think I questioned them as like, I've heard of the nasty boys, but like, like, why, all these other tag teams I've heard in the same light have made it in. Why not these guys? Yeah. I mean, I think it was how they got brought up. Yeah, they're not, uh, yeah. I mean, I mean, there are, I don't want to, you know, maybe Tyson, I'm not sure if you're a nasty boys fan,

18:42I'm not saying they're not worthy of the hall of fame, but, you know, I mean, certain criteria, I think you need to get into the hall of fame. They, I don't think they have that personally, but that's another, that's another discussion. Um, we were talking before this, and you had a, um, you had an article, or something like that. That's what I had a, I had a Facebook post. Yeah. Um, so, uh, for all everybody, we, we warned everybody last week that this was happening, um, in a broad scale as in this past Friday, at whatever, in the, whatever Cleveland arena that they were at in Cleveland, that they were going to be double taping a raw in a smack down there and nothing that you saw on Friday was aired in that arena. All that is happening this week. So raw was going to be taped. And during Netflix, there was a couple scenes that they did during the show where we saw J.U. So it was bleeding. So it was co was bleeding and they blurred out the blood.

19:50Now there are two takes that people were taking on this and they were blaming WWE or they were blaming Netflix. And so this was an article I thought they probably have an article. This is on Facebook. I don't follow them. It's one of those sponsored or whatever pages you should follow on your feed. And it was a dirt sheets dot net. And they said this level of censoring is utterly ridiculous. A lot of you want to blame Netflix. But the reality is WWE wants to be a PG show and Netflix has to honor that rating. And I immediately screen shot at this to almost sent to everybody and be like, don't fucking listen to this bullshit. Because that's all I saw and actually the majority of the reactions were laughing emojis. Which told me that most people did not take this seriously. Because it's not, this is not WWE's like doing. I don't think.

20:51What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's WWE's doing. Obviously there's, you know, WWE is a business. It's, you know, it's a public company alongside UFC and all that type of stuff. They do have a standard of, you know, being PG as as that post said. But if they, if you want to blame somebody, if you want to go that down that road, I don't think you blame WWE for that. Then you blame TKO for that because of the investors and all that type of stuff and what it does. I don't think, I don't think it's Netflix. It's net, I mean, I mean, they have a horror section on Netflix. You can watch all that stuff if you want. I think it's, if you want to go down that road and say it was somebody, I would probably say TKO. I wouldn't blame WWE for that. I mean, if you want to, you know, play in that area, but I think it's that's a ridiculous like, thank you to even bring up.

21:57Like who cares? Personally, if it's, if it's blurred out or anything. I didn't see any. You got to be kidding me. I mean, I guess you can say TKO because of the investors, but other than that, I don't think I mean, what do you think is it like, do you think it's like, if you were to play that game, if there was a reason why they censored it, are you going with WWE Netflix or TKO or a combination of all three. So, I'm going with Netflix. Okay, raw is streamed on Netflix in over a hundred countries in the world. Do you think that over a hundred countries view a PG rating the same or what they deem is appropriate for a child to see.

23:03I don't think so. Yeah, okay, I can't speak on like countries I don't know, but I am sure that there are there's like what I do know is that there are definitely countries that are more strict in the US is. And yeah, yeah, definitely. And the one argument that's brought up is why don't they change it up for all those different countries and then that's the problem is because they would have to change it up for over a hundred different countries, but potentially depending on what the hell they have to censor. Or not censor or anything like that because a lot of people thought because Netflix in the US can get a little vicious at times and have some stuff on there that you know it was four adults so we thought, you know, hey, maybe some like attitude airship might be coming back because they're going to Netflix. We don't have to worry about, you know, the cable people in like the different like whatever kind of advertisers and whatnot. But in reality, they're still broadcasting the same show live.

24:04Yes. Some random Asian country, some Middle East country, some European country, some South American country and they all have different rules. And so instead of changing enough for all of them, they're just giving out the same show and they have to be able to give out an acceptable show to all of them. And so in my opinion, that's why I think it's an Netflix thing because when you go on the W's YouTube channel, you go on triple H's X account, you go on W's X account and they're posting the non blurred version and then you also see it on Smackdown of as a while ago where there was a bloody scene on Smackdown and they blurred it out for the international crowd. But on USA Network, it was not blurred out. Okay. And I think that's the and this is where the short term memory of all these people come up. Not saying you because we didn't even talk about it probably when that happened because it didn't matter to us. We watched it on, you know, our cable TV here.

25:05Yeah. We wouldn't have we wouldn't have seen it that way. But I feel like people are all of a sudden forgetting that and they're making a big deal out of nothing. And so it just seemed like the low hanging fruit because it just didn't look. You know, like aesthetically pleasing because oh my god, how can we make this scene even more graphic to get this scene over when you're just blurring out all the graphics. Yet that you put on there. So it's almost like why do you do it anyway when you'd rather see JOSO's face and pain. Why do you need to have the blood and it's so bad that you have to blur it out? Like I don't even know if that even got the effect that you were supposed to get. But it kind of is it's a weird spot you put yourself in to have to do that kind of stuff. And imagine all the great matches. Imagine everything that happened at all in that you'd have to blur out if you had to do it this way. It's kind of insane. Yeah. I mean the other thing too is it was recorded already. So they did have the time to do editing and all that type of stuff and do the work.

26:07And that's the thing they could have done multiple times. They did that in a parking lot with nobody around. They could have just they could have fucked that scene up and been like okay run it again. Yeah. Yeah I'm seeing all I mean it's a lot of the other thing too. It's a lot of people call that like all their sense and blood on Netflix. And they're coming from it where I'm coming from it. It's like you don't want any category on Netflix and you're going to find something way worse and some blood on someone's face. That's why I think where all these like if you do see those posts where people are kind of complaining that they're doing it's like like you said it is that flex. It is global. But at the same time we get I mean I'm not sure how they censor a lot of the movies and stuff like that or what movies we can see over here as opposed to that but we get a lot of the four in movies and stuff like that too that are pretty violent. Then I've seen like from India and all that type of stuff like I've watched a few of them because I like action movies and they have like some of their action movies are pretty awesome.

27:11So I watch a few of those and they're as violent as anything they're not obviously they're not in any English. It's in their language so you have to read the captions stuff like that but it's not censored for us over here whatever they're doing but yeah I don't know it's weird. It's a weird situation. I think mainly because it was pre-recorded they just did it for the effect. Who's to say what would happen if it was live? Well in live I feel like because what happened was I think the thing that happened for Smackdown was is it live it did not get blurred but it was on the replay it got blurred because what I think it was. So that's an off thinking I'm thinking if it wasn't even if this was a regular live raw and this happened I don't think you see any blurring. I think you see cutaways or they'll try to cut away baby but other than that I don't think they're blurring anything. I think when you see the replay after raw will you watch it the second time you

28:13see the blur is in the black and white and all that type of stuff. That's what I think anyway but well in the hardest part too is that um what I'm going through like trying to like look up articles for it it's fucking impossible because the whole internet is so like filled with all of the Netflix blurred raw this past Monday that he's trying to go back and like be able to like prove like hey see they've done this before. Yeah. You almost have to get all tech savvy and like date search yourself before that so you can get other searches and it's fucking annoying. Yeah. But that was like the one big talk out of the that had nothing to do with the actual show that came out of this weekend that I was like yeah yeah we got a nip this one right in the butt. Yeah there was that and then there was there was that well that was more recent and then before that was the Jacob Fattu drop in the MFR and then then the mic

29:13them kind of mic off and stuff like that and that was like because that happened I think that like I said I think I see that Friday or something like that um I see like you know in the you know fan and attendance videos of it um it wasn't anything from WWW they they didn't post it it was like other people posting it so like oh shit there's like I'm scripted and all this type of stuff and that's the first thing I've seen um and then they cut his mic and all that stuff so I was like I think had his mic that means it was probably a worksheet type of type of deal yeah generate some buzz you know try to uh yeah gonna just have f-bombs going out yeah for no reason now I mean you get to think it's all in weekend you know WWW is gonna not say that they're trying to sabotage or anything or you know try to take a little little sting from uh you know AW in there with their weekend you know all that type of stuff so they just want to stay relevant yeah and go in back to

30:13our other combo um Tyson thinks that the nasty boys should be in the Hall of Fame Tyson I would uh why what is it what is your why that's all I want to ask you what's your why is why do you think the nasty boys should be in the Hall of Fame you don't have to answer right away just you know during the night course of the night I would like to know your reasoning because I have no reason why they should be in the Hall of Fame at all I I mean they are you know they are one of those early you know 90 tag 90s tag teams that were you know a little bit you know they're different out there you know when they appear and stuff like that and I just so know that's like saying public enemy or what would they call if you get was it public enemy yeah the tag team from ECW they should be in the Hall of Fame like no they shouldn't be in it at all but maybe in that like what is that wing that they did like an honorary like it's the legacy was it seems like

31:19was for all the people that passed away yeah how much of did they pass away I didn't know how do you know well and like the NFL has like a certain wing it's like I don't know if it's like the I don't I don't know what it's exactly called but it's like it's like these players are just old like anybody now it probably never even watched them play and like one or two of them gets voted in because of just you know for whatever XYZ reason that's you know they have that's like what the controversy with the with Bill Bella check when they when they were going to put him in the the Hall of Fame and uh then one dude voted some like fucking random NFL player from like I don't know like the 30s or 40s or something like that like way back in the day because he felt like he deserved to be in it over Bill Bella check he was like the deciding vote or something like that but that's just how that works and it's like all right come on

32:20not that not because I'm from here but he I mean he's wanted up super balls he let his team to enough super balls in one them to be in the Hall of Fame I would think anyway but I'm not a you know I'm not on like committee or the board or whatever that shit is to decide but that was kind of funny everyone remember that whole everyone was like I remember all the like the people tweaked stuff out like what that like all the different like all the you know NFL players and stuff like that like like you know you're not gonna put him in it like what the heck he didn't do anything bad like what did he do besides obviously you know deflate gate hey cheated that season he cheated this other season he cheated another season he ruined everyone else's favorite football teams chances or beat him in a super bowl you know just just little things yeah I think it's yeah he's dead here we go the they are former tag team champions in public enemy probably won't do the job and yeah true oh he's

33:23he's referencing uh I think he's referencing this Tyson let me know if you're if you're if I'm correct are you referencing the match between the public enemy and the accolades or a pa as a you know they're more famously known as um because they would just completely just beat the shit out of the public enemy in the match like it wasn't even it wasn't even like a like a break I'm not sure have you ever heard of this Jay Bugs have you seen this match or have heard of this match no I have five not uh it was on raw and public enemy comes and forget the whole story but basically JBL and Farouk just like for some reason didn't like these dudes and they had a match with them on raw and they just literally just beat them up like the whole like they it wasn't even like a match they just like legit shot like shoot wrestled and just beat the shit out of these dudes it's like hard clothes lines freaking hammer to the back just like just just beat the shit out of

34:28the reason but it was like it was as big as they didn't like them I think the doubly duke boys have done that too the teams before like they beat the shit out of team like tag teams that they didn't like or had an issue with like they took liberty of the ring but they blatantly if you watch this match it just blatantly just not even have it a match or just blatantly just beat the shit out of these two dudes for no reason I think it was because I thought they were this big tough like the public enemy because they're so huge in ECW and JBL and Farouk like you guys you guys are as big as you think this is this is a big league so let's say get the ring they just beat the shit out of them tight some of you know if that's what you're thinking of because I think that's the quote that they said um yeah definitely go back he said yes yes yes I knew it I knew it because that's I always say that too when I hear like public enemy of the nasty boys I just think of like just tag teams that people did like I guess I mean I said I don't want to get you mad but you know

35:31they're not yeah that's right yeah it was on a Sunday night heat Sunday night heat that's what it was okay so this is coming from chat GBT so who knows what the fuck they're using as their um that's let's let's hear it they might be so they said public enemy refuse to do the planned finish and the accolades decided to enforce it the old school way that's right yeah that's right yeah and the planned finish was for public enemy to be put through a table setting up a feud between the two teams according to JBL everything had been agreed upon beforehand but right before they went out public enemy told Bradshaw they weren't going to do the table spot and didn't offer no alternative JBL told Farouk what happened and Farouk reportedly responded if they don't want to go through the table we'll take the table to them and so their sources are TJR wrestling and it's JBL recalls when AP destroyed public enemy during a WWE match that article and then JBL tells a story about

36:33accolades versus public enemy on wrestle zone which I know I've used wrestle zone for my PG yeah but yes that article is from 2013 here's what I miss and I'm not sure if they do this nowadays like the newer generation of you know professional wrestlers but back in the day back in my day back in my day they would do shit like that they would just take ladies and take long to their own hands in the ring and just I'm it's probably like you probably can't do that now but back in the day you might get you might get freaking fired what did I end of the day I think most of them are kind of sitting here all right that's enough of this cringy little soap off bro we have going on I think I'm professional about it where they're like you know I don't feel like I feel like a lot of times they always kind of I'm sure the Eagles are still big in what not like we've

37:35talked about where it seems like a lot of people are more friendly and what not and I mean we probably even grow in professional life where like like a lot of people like especially on the younger side or as much as they hate on the younger generations like I feel like they're not fucking doing that kind of stuff to eat up you know doing stuff like that whatever that may be in your profession the equivalent of just you know like learning the hard way like yeah you know that kind of stuff doesn't really happen like that anymore but I just those stories I'm like they're not funny but it's us just hear those stories from like the older generation wrestlers like how the shit that these do like when I'm funny people made a big deal about Undertaker when he was on Joe Rogan's podcast a while back and he was like talking about the newer the newer like guys in the locker room and how they not like you know that he's like this is thirdly the play video games and they hang out they don't you know don't like us back as they were used to like go out to bars and drink

38:37it do drugs and else that's just a man who didn't play the games with all their friends I just get I mean bad that they're not like hurting their bodies and harving their their bodies and was that they have to use you know every week so I think it would always get mentioned and so I think it's like everyone focuses on that part but I think it's like you're forcing yourself in a public setting with all your colleagues I guess yeah you're traveling with them hours and I think that was the one thing that has been mentioned that was missed was like you were forced to get in a car with like whoever it was at the time like some veteran that's just been there like the Dudley boys okay you're driving them around but you get to ask them all the questions like I forget who John Cena drove around but like he he said that he was a driver he was just picking out picking the brains of you know whoever he was driving around or like Cody Rose did a Randy Orton or like any of those kinds of stories where they were literally drive they were driving four hours to the next town almost

39:41but four or five days a week like that's a lot of fucking conversations and like how to click how they be all became friends because they all could talk wrestling in the car or talk wrestling when they went to the bars or whatever like yeah I feel like that's the kind of part that he was saying is because in reality yeah that's true where it's like they're saying people they do their segment they go home they don't even stay for the rest of the show or they go on their bus and they stay on their bus they're not out there helping people where there are people are doing that but like back then it forced everybody it seemed to put themselves in a position to help each other where now it's almost has to be out of the kindness of your heart like a Bailey or you know maybe like a CM Punk or something where like they seem to be there yeah quotations around CM Punk not sure the action he does at least show face sometimes that he does it so maybe that's all it is but I'm sure like a Kevin O and who's there is gonna be doing it or like yeah yeah save he's saying probably I could do with that type of stuff AJ styles I know he wanted it that's why

40:46he signed back with them just we can be there and helped develop like talent and stuff like that so and John Cena has the best gig where he just walks in the door and no one's gonna be like you get the fuck out of here you weren't supposed to be here they're gonna be like come the fuck on in come on yeah exactly yeah he'll take over the class you don't know what you're well we're even teaching but go ahead yeah please yeah oh man but um that was a nice trip down memory lane with the fucking accolades and public enemy that's their homework tonight if you haven't watched that match it's not really a full match it's like uh you know just guys get beat up because they weren't they didn't want to listen so that's it pretty much is it's pretty much it's a five minute YouTube clip it's not but it's basically it's basically OTM and what they did to the oozers that's pretty much what happened to uh when they picked up uh Jimmy and slammed them on the on the uh was at the back shield one shield or whatever yeah that is uh they pretty they did that to uh I think one of the

41:47nasty boys Baruch used to do that like like it was like a not a sidewalk slam it was like he like catch him in mid air and just like freaking just slam oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that move yeah he did it less like he did a really uh hard on that dude yeah he yeah it was uh it was brutal you could tell they just didn't want to be in the rank with those guys at all like it said I kind of missed that type of sevens you know it bring it builds character to me anyway that's you know builds character and it makes a policeful I guess I mean I like the beginning of raw like it was good I some people were hating on it I absolutely was like yeah I like it they pulled up they pulled the car right behind the car they like they pulled them out of they pulled Jay out of the window like they broke like they were doing a lot of stuff I'm just like you know what yeah this is fine I'm I like this oh well someone to someone brought this up who was who was the driver's seat that's what everyone's I see that a lot was it was it Royce oh wait for their car the driver's seat for

42:56them for the for the OTM and Royce keys because they know so a lot of people have been like speculating on who that person is that fourth person wait a minute you got to you get a sound fight for that I don't have a sound bite for that but I'm over here like I'm like wondering like wait a minute I did I like not put two and two together no they didn't show I from what I remember seeing they didn't reveal anyone or show anyone but you would think there's four bloodline members you know Roman Jacob and who so's the OTM and Royce would need a fourth who would what that fourth person be it's definitely not solo because they beat the shit out of solo too oh what's that I think he is thanks I said yeah the one-handed spine buster that's what it was I thought it was more of a spine buster yeah because he used to do that yeah it was a I mean it was brutal anyway we used to do it but you could tell if he didn't like somebody how hard he would do

44:03that move I guess I remember Marcha man he was in that same boat with that they said he he the like you or didn't like you depending on what it was and you would know by the elbow drop how he would give you the elbow drop so watching the video now I can confirm O.T wait a minute you might be on to something so when you're watching this clip they all just jump out right used the O.T.N. jumps out yep and Royce comes out the other side yeah now this might mean nothing but like at the end of the day it might there was yeah there had to have been a driver and why would of Royce jump to the other side yeah makes it one there and there are they're very good about like

45:04um having like these little tidbits that like you're not supposed to notice and they let the internet notice yes speculate and like I'm trying to let me see if I can crazy right because like yeah there's a person there you would think that they would fit but at the end of the day I'm over here like it might just be just a random fucking guy it could be but like I said they might need a fourth if it's gonna be you know if it's gonna be a four on four type deal with Roman Jacob and the Usos it's only three O.T.N. member or two O.T.N. and Royce keys they need a fourth person technically I've seen I've seen some people speculating that it couldn't possibly be Carmelo because he hasn't been on TV in a while Carmelo Hayes could be in the driver's seat huh I'm just a possibility um I wouldn't think of anyone else you just shut me up I'm like over here

46:10like I didn't think of that yes someone's up like you said it could just be a driver who knows but it's fun to speculate on like but how I mean WWE's done this where it's just like how stupid of you would it be to like you drove the car in a position where you cut off like to the like you did it like a cop where like car pulls up you pull your car right behind them so they're not able to back up and I mean it's a big ass arena they could have fucking drove forward let's be honest but like they like just weird if they have just like a random driver like the Oober parkus right here and then Uber drive us away like you know that's not I mean in the words of you know so on that's very good that storyline like writes itself there's no way you can mess that up like I am so glad I clipped that oh that is a good clip

47:13storyline writes itself story writes itself is who's in the driver's seat who drove them there if someone doesn't bring it up next week then they it's like then it's nothing yeah they don't go you know but they don't go yeah they don't like study the tape or anything like that and because it's definitely not LA night because he can't be jikapatu can't be jikapatu can't be solo who could it be is there any other dramatic see that's like I know like Miles born as a potential name to come up not saying he's a potential name for this I just know he's a potential name like and you bring him Carmelo Hayes like okay that's a guy we haven't seen a whole lot of and that would be something yeah yeah russi if we haven't seen russi in a while they kind of kicked him to the curb could be rude could be russim could be danhausen that would he have a thousand

48:14oh she have a thousand i this christ it's very possible i mean shit outside of Carmelo Hayes i don't really know who else that could be um i don't know the nxt roster like that to be like yeah any of these guys but like of course i don't update the fucking roster so like yeah do you know on nxt if they were friendly with anybody um they were with oh was o team with with i think it was just jeta parker i think they had um like that was like they're like i don't think there was like another person in there open imagine her him in her news and jayus or the maybe she was driving that's a possibility i mean it would be well i guess that's the other thing is like what other female could be it could have been a female we're over here i'm focused on the males but like what females

49:19haven't been around because i mean there's ivy nyle that don't make a whole lot of sense but like is there like somebody that we're just i mean jeta parker would be interesting i can't i don't recall her having like is she getting called up anytime soon or is she like in feuds or something or i don't think so there's there's everybody's really being used on the women's roster i can't believe i'm saying that like they're kind of in a different position where if they did that that's kind of odd um um let me see if i can yeah i was jeta i was right yeah i was jeta parker that i was like their third person it was a same they were a tag team um and then she was there like manager or she would like wrestle and stuff like that well she just had her feud with nadi and she won this by submission against nadi on heatwave

50:20i'm sorry if you were going to watch it and one didn't want to be spoiled heavy heavy heavy heavy kind of funny if she was uh actually let me see it was out o o t m bebo's a brunco yes oh strips was the other person that was in it before he's gone reggie yeah so yeah reginal the way where his name was yet he's the other member before that he left and it was a sim2 and then i think jeta parker came into play but that'd be kind of funny if it was jeta parker driving like car because you know the real life situation with uh her and j yeah and i'm over here like i don't know as they did this many house shows and um and i see like i knew they did house shows but you know when you like you know that they do stuff and then you go and see the statistics and you're like Jesus christ i didn't realize it was like that much like i had to scroll a little bit just to get to her like her next televised match yeah yeah that's one thing i know it's one of the questions yeah

51:28so i mean i guess it's one of those like i don't know like usually people are able to predict kind of like when people are getting called up like they predicted tate impact so it was coming to the main roster they predicted low the vice was coming up to the main roster like the kind of new all that like i don't remember hearing jeta parker as one of those that's yet like i she's probably more than ready like a calani jordan but like it just seems a little odd and like yes you already has 35 matches this year jeta parker yeah that's what house shows she has a lot she's which is good maybe that's how you'd get better showing us four and this just shows you how many like house shows she only has 14 broadcasted matches but 35 matches yeah over a half of them are house shows i believe i mean she's someone who would probably sell tickets like or you don't go to see this nobody that you don't know yet or you're gonna go see like a

52:30established name like a jeta parker when you're looking at the annexed he roster yeah like i didn't realize when i went to my house show when i was a kid shamus was on it and i had no idea the fuck that guy was it's why i don't remember him being on the card that's funny what i looked at it i'm like shamus was there it was just like shamus whatever his other name was and i'm like all right that's weird don't remember that oh you see was there anything else that you had before we dive into a smackdown because i have i have some question well i have one question um i got quick i got quick things okay i could we get this rapid fire uh crown jewel was announced for november 7th in reaud saudi arabia that's a saturday um car mella she was on the hot mom shit podcast i think is what that is yeah i mean i think she qualifies um

53:34uh she confirmed that she's retired now so there's that uh pw insider believes that if you did not see this but kevin oens was lipping during a live show after a match he had to be helped to the back uh pw insider they believe that there he is basically was just kind of selling that no one seems uh no one's like really sure but sometimes i believe he was just selling and he's not really heard so we're all good there i know i saw a clip of that and i immediately was like oh shit and i sent it to ace and ace it just sends me back fuck and i'm that's valid um for the triple a world collides show in chicago see him punk he posted um him in his straight edge society mask and they already confirmed him for the world's collides chicago show so it's uh he's probably gonna be competing in his good old straight edge society mask from those good old days like 2010 or something like that huh interesting now there a little bit of news is um we're getting another we're

54:36getting that December p le finally it's been a while since we've had one we've had saturday saturday night's main events but we've not had a p le um wrestle polusa is returning and it's going to be in perth australia and on raw they already announced that there was going to be a three year agreement with the western government of australia i butchered the name but whatever it is that they're gonna do a annual p le's and they're gonna have these weekends where they're gonna have these like raw p le or smackdown p le raw or like have a bunch of house shows maybe with rosin smackdowns however the agreement is but that's the can place on December uh 12th on a saturday so we have that to look forward to and i'm trying to see if there was anything else that was in random news and not that was that was everything i got for all the random news going into this week so

55:37there you go wrestle polusa i'm fine with it and because i think well what i because that was announced i did my sunday show and i was sitting here like you know we have sunday night's main event there's four or five matches and we have money in the bank crown jewel survivor series all of them literally have a stipulation it's their stipulation events money the bank yeah crown jewel world the champions are literally tied up in crown jewel like they have to face each other there's no big title matches that night and war games and survivor series it makes sense to add up p le in december at that moment because you need something just just a we need a backlash we need a judgment day we need an armageddon we need something yeah and a fully loaded or whatever yeah the a w does world's end in december two that's like their final pay review for the year so they do it more around christmas time right far from

56:41yeah towards the it's either after i think it's like after i don't like the first time they did it was it's summer yeah 2025 is 20 yeah December 27 yeah this year was what actually no did they do 2024 uh yeah they have it but i'm trying to figure out the date they weren't so kind and put it on this one that was something that they used to do with the old wpp reviews and they stopped and it was the dumbest thing they ever did because now i always have to look up the pay-per-view schedule yeah they don't have the date on this what's the rules that that was like december 28th December 28th okay so they're not going to be and i think the world's end is even i don't even think because i mean i've been looking at a w tickets since they're in my area this the next couple weeks um i think only fully loaded was announced and i think that's third november one and that's in arizona i don't think they did the world's end

57:43i don't even know for us will dream is announced to be honest i don't think so yeah i'm not that i see it anyway let's see and full gear if i said or wrong right i said it full gear if i did and it's full gear maybe i said something else i'm not the way till next year i definitely have to go back they've been they've been in my area like two or three times this year and didn't go to actually wait do i go to one of them no you can go to any of them all over here like i'm i'm going to the Pittsburgh show and then i'm i'm more than likely going to be going to the Cleveland show like i'm taking full advantage of yeah i'll have the way till next year to go uh yeah full gears arizona i got that right and that looks like at least on ticket master maybe it's available on other um apps but that's all they available there and yeah you're right they're ain't shit in your area i mean they have

58:47to go to collision yeah then you know next i think it's next week next Saturday the next Saturday actually yeah this is the next Saturday oh that i guess that's the problem i got to go look on a w's website because yeah because like if they came to where i am ticket master wouldn't have it it would be a different um provider man the chats would love this we're over here on a rod down trying to plan our ew uh i know right well let's see your Athens Georgia's Matt there in springfield massachusetts for collision on Saturday September 12th yeah a far away is that from you um what springfield and i will tell you who's advertised i usually whose advertiser is going to be there they have tomaso champa or satis menei i'm chris statlander and um i'm i'm blanket kevin night those are the

59:55people on the on the cover for it um it's about six like uh it's like an hour and a half drive i think we're out there oh that's not bad that's what i have to drive for all mine yeah so i mean that probably wouldn't be too bad and um i will tell you from the tickets i've been looking at for dynamite they're like for decent seats are ranging between 50 to 80 dollars yeah so their front row is like seven hundred dollars that i'm like that's kind of comparable to wwe shows to be quite honest see that no um no front row for you you're not going to a front row a w show or w we're going to be cool i mean that'd be pretty cool actually to do like a front row like v ip thing i would love to i was so nice that the chads got to do it for their collision um in charleston or wherever it was it wasn't in charleston wherever the fucking was last year in west virginia and cert one of the other three big towns in west virginia here it was they got like front row

1:01:01by the announced desk so i'll remember that because their show is always like a weaker two before the Pittsburgh show for whatever reason that's just the schedule a w does yeah yeah huh all right um yeah i would like talk about planning a w trips we get we had we had we had smacked on to talk about g's what we do it right now um i do want to say i just one thing i got to say yeah i am so glad for my cable provider that uh netflix has given me some issues when it comes to the vpn and i don't understand if i see the user error on my part or if like people just don't have issues with the vpn's because like netflix will like kind of detect if you're going back and forth they'll see your vpn's or like your your ip is changing and whatnot and so like they'll start flagging you yeah i like nothing ever

1:02:04happens but like it just makes it a big inconvenience um but for spectrum this never was the case now smacked out is on demand the next day i used to have to go onto the us app login with my spectrum credentials and i was able to watch it like two days later or something like that it was it was a pain in the ass but now it's just available on my cable provider app the next day and there's usually like only one or two commercials for the whole show so it's just as good as watching it on netflix and i don't even have to do all the extra bullshit to watch it even that helps right yeah i don't know if that helps in your area if you even have like a basic cable package to get that kind of option but well you have to i don't think you are watching on of vpn so you have to be watching through us a network oh for smacked out yeah yeah what i

1:03:06usually for smacked out i have um i have like the hulu it's like the hulu like um it's like a hulu package with espn and dizzy plus so i usually just um and they have like a dvr feature so i can just like record oh okay so you already do that okay yeah so yeah usually if i don't get it like if i don't see it right away or if i'm not you know from a little bit behind i can you like fast forward through commercials or i'll just wait till it completely you know the show's completely over and just watch it and fast forward through whatever it's so nice it's an hour and 20 minutes which i will say is fucking funny that when i'm watching a smacked out from 2008 it's an hour and a half yeah about a 10 minutes worth of commercials in the last like 20 years and i'm sitting here like those assholes oh man all right let's uh let's get to smack down because um i'm not sure if you want

1:04:12to go in order or just hop around a little bit if you have anything and particularly you want to talk about but though one thing i will want to say is going into smacked on since i didn't get to watch until sunday i didn't get to watch watch until sunday morning um i saw a lot of negative takes on smacked down and so usually this is like best case scenario for me everybody's crying about it you know calling for party murder all this stuff and usually that's the best case scenario for me because i go into the show already thinking that this is gonna suck and it's never as bad as people say it is yeah so i walked out of this show going you know what this wasn't that bad and especially like the way that main event ended and everything but i think that's probably the best thing first thing we should talk about is just this whole Kevin Owens and CM Punk to get to this triple threat match and everything that's happened amongst all the people involved in this that this number one contender triple threat is they all were arguing what not and nick

1:05:15Aldous you know made this match official um like i saw already that the ending was that how could you have a triple threat match go into a no contest and that is true yeah yeah but when i was thinking i was like you know what what the fuck is nick Aldous supposed to do you had sammy zane goes down there takes out the he takes out all the competitors of the match all three of them takes him out Finn Balor goon through Kevin Owens he takes out the champion he also takes out two officials he takes out the official in the match and he takes out the other official that runs down so what the fuck are you gonna do are you gonna just i wish he kind of came out there and said something versus just the show going off the air but like you know what do you do if the GM do you send another official out there and have the match going while a non participant in the match is standing in the middle of the ring while everyone else is just standing down it's just

1:06:16that's where i was like you know logically i think that kind of makes sense yeah you know you know you clearly didn't hit it clearly didn't hit no you know people were a lot of people were complaining about it so that didn't get across it's it's a no contest because no one could compete yeah everyone would say that that makes sense to me that you know that he would come down and just call it and you know make it a no contest because no one can get up and actually finish the match so yeah and they will send another official out and all the other officials got taken out yeah so he can't i mean he's just gonna what's gonna happen is if they kept on that they wanted to they would just you know send another official out see if he's able to probably take that dude out well you it it just go on and on so it doesn't make sense that they did that people just complaining for no reason i do there is there is one weird one where uh i think it was it the hell you've heard of this match the hell on a cell match between uh Seth Rollins and the Fiend i've heard i well i don't want to get this wrong but my brain is telling me that i've heard that

1:07:22this is supposedly a very not good match yes yeah so i believe that was one of the times where they stopped the match oh and it was like wide it's a hell on a cell match why are you they're both like one was able to compete the other one wasn't why are you stopping a hell on a cell match or there's like literally no rules whatsoever so that's one of those reasons why people can complain but other than that yeah that matches kind of what if a nick old is crash out helped like him come if they had the time of course like him come out and be like that's it that's enough you know like do a whole little JC Jane moment and you know that's enough yeah i mean like i've had it i've had it with you sammy i've had it with all this like i don't know if they would have been like they've been them showing their cards too early in a position where nobody knows what the fuck's gonna happen anyway yeah but like like we're like just like i don't know we're like just even where it's like that's enough we'll handle this next week like we need to let everybody freaking cool off or something

1:08:27and the idea behind that match you like if you go in hindsight if you go back and watch it the idea behind that match was some mimic like a horror movie like where Seth was trying to do everything he could but he couldn't keep the feed the feed just kept on getting back up like he was like literally doing everything using stairs he's like I think he like crushes head at one point they're just doing this crazy stuff just to keep the feed down so I get the good concept it's something good concept that that's what I got out of the match but uh everyone else is like oh my god this match so I mean I haven't watched it like recently but I did go back and watch it I remember like like a few years ago that try uh I'm like do I have that is that 2019 maybe not let me see let's see how I want to sell let's see Seth Rowan's in the feed that's the first one that pops up

1:09:302019 I was right well done well yeah it's on the front I own that one that's probably why I own that one because it was cheap enough for me to uh it's cheap enough for me to buy oh yeah it's the CU and hell if you can see it in the bottom left corner yeah yeah no because that's the other shitty part about these newer WWE DVDs is that they uh they also don't list the matches anymore they give you like a nice little paragraph a little summary about what's going on but you can't just easily pinpoint the fucking matches so I don't know what the hell Warner Brothers was thinking when they fucking took over and started doing that but yeah it was it was weird yeah I remember that match they ended it yeah I'm looking at now they ended it as a no contest in a hell of a yeah that's the whole thing was it was like why the referee and the match as a no contest in a hell of a sell match I have to see

1:10:34what the cage match rating for this or did you bring it up on cage match or you just looked it up now about wicked pdf just looking at uh the reception of it because the pay-per-view up and down was not generally you know reviewed very well it has a 3.38 rating and that is even with a good god I'm not used to scrolling through this many matches on a WWE card um that is even with over an 8.61 hell in a sell match between Becky and Sasha Banks which I'm over here like damn I might just go out of my way to watch that that sounds like that'd be a great match um and a tornado tag match between Diano Brian and Roman Reigns versus Eric Rowan and Luke Harper and it just went down hill from there um where the last four matches were under a five rating on cage match we know cage match might be a little you know not generous sometimes yeah but um the main events were a five I

1:11:36get I guess was a little bit over it was a 503 where I was Charlotte and Bailey for the Smackdown Women's title the 10-minute match that I guess did not go over very well and this hell in a sell match that went on for 17 and a half minutes was rated 0.5 to 8 and I did Dave Meltzer give it a negative two stars probably yeah I think I'm reading that right a negative two stars I don't don't know how you come up with that but it sounds like that's valid you know like I can't hate on Dave for that and clearly the 360 people that voted on this match I've never seen a match rated that bad at a 0.58 and at this point I gave up on wrestling I was done yeah let's yeah we might have to go know we should do we should go back we should watch that match right

1:12:37and then come back and review it we don't wait all right that that would be a great patreon exclusive is us going back and watching the worst rated WWE matches oh that's a good idea actually or the worst rated WWE pay per views and just fucking torture ourselves to go see the capital punishment has to be on there yeah let's do that yeah we might have to go let's talk about that afterwards yeah yeah definitely all right um oh oh wait no we do it like um with like J-bones we do we do that um right the wrestling the vendetta oh yeah we bring that back and then we watch that together with everybody because some of these matches I've never seen that match so I'm over here like I'm game to you know what okay well that's what I said like I the Becky Lynch Sasha Banks telling a sell match I saw how good that rating was and over here like

1:13:37god damn I like I like Becky Lynch and I famously hate Sasha Banks and Mercedes-Monae the character of course like yeah that sounds like the perfect match for me to watch my favorite wrestler versus my like most hated one yeah yeah definitely it's a good idea yeah let's talk about it after I'll let's do that um oh but outside how do you how do you how do you like this I I like that made a vanna like the way that they did it and I really really really enjoy having all of these fucking top guys and some sort of equal storyline where they all I have literally no idea what's happening in terms of where this is going or anything like that yeah I'm just happy that uh that's actually happening that they're actually you know we have a we have a champion that you know people want to go after and you actually have a championship match with as opposed to you didn't see as a Cody we'll say that much you didn't see multiple people going after the title with Cody no no

1:14:40not sure if that was something he didn't like I said not sure if there's a booking decision on their side to not do it was his decision not to have a lot of people go after it I don't I don't know I got a theory I got a strategic theory on triple h's end those contracts come up at the end of almost like 2030 somewhere in there give or take a year or two what if triple h knows he knows what works what doesn't work he can't be shooting off his best ideas right now these need to be firing close to the right before to during the negotiating period okay so you can't be giving off your good um things that work right now because when you get to that negotiating period you're almost sitting here like well what the fuck are we gonna do now we gotta innovate because we did all the good stuff yeah and so I almost wonder if that's why

1:15:46this is me trying to justify I think it's probably a bunch of bullshit in the end but it's very possible that like there's stuff where you know we're kind of sitting here like this is so easy why don't you do this this is the birthplace of this storyline like writes itself there's no way to mess that up like that's happens 24 seven where we're like there's no way they can mess this up and they find a way to make it just mediocre maybe they don't mess it up but you're sitting here like where's our five star match that we know can happen yeah and you got and you're not doing it and so I just wonder if that's just something that they're maybe not triple h because we've learned that triple h also answers to bosses and investors and other different things but like yeah but I guess that's the critique I have on myself is wouldn't the investors or anybody else also want them to be doing the good stuff now and every week so that they could be making the most money or maybe it doesn't make the most money because that's the other theory out there is

1:16:46what's the best wrestling is not the best money maker because we Lord Lord only knows a w is not a you know they're not they're not maximizing their profits clearly and that's for the better for all of us wrestling fans but that's just kinds of seems to be the universal truth is what's the best wrestling content is not the most watched it's not the most I mean pick your favorite music genre the best artists are not the most listen to the most ticket purchases you know just how that works yeah that's it yeah yeah yeah yeah kind of sucks but uh who do you think um who do you think we'll actually get the first individual title match against the impunk first one on one out of all this group who do you think it's it or do you think it's going to be a minute I mean they all they all face a mad one point already

1:17:55so it's kind of hard to say that's an interesting reality that I did not put together yeah they've all had a match with them at some point so it's like I don't know it's a that's that's tough out I would think I don't think shabby's ending be anywhere near the first because because of all this chaos he's causing so it's going to be you know nick out is just you know not giving him any opportunity whatsoever like a one-on-one opportunity anyway um I don't know I would you would think good there may who's the most recent person besides Kevin Owens to face CM Punk out of that group when did him and goon through have that match that was sever sleeve wasn't it would he be the last I mean well the last I be face goon there for achieving chip was the world heavyweight championship at summer sleep that he then Seth wrongs did the cash in on him I'm not sure if they had any max

1:18:57out there okay I don't think so so he would have been the because Kevin Owens just had it Finn Baller had it earlier in this year so goon through would be the latest one yeah I think so if not goon third and Sammy for some I don't know how Sammy would do it but well so I don't know I don't know how they get it because then it's it's a lot like he said it's a lot of chaos it's a lot of like I'm pretty you know it's unpredictable we don't know what's gonna happen this is why I love it I I keep I can't believe I am saying this I love this storyline because I do too I have no idea what's happening in a good way yeah there's multiple people going out to the title which we've been asking for we've been talking about which should be happening and that's one of the things that you know I think Cody with his title ring that wasn't happening there was no there was not a bunch of people vying for that title and I'll not say like I said not say it was his fault or anything like that just seems like they have the people now and in that division or on that show I should say that

1:20:04can do it like they didn't have like I mean who they when when Cody was champion he was like Drew McIntyre Randy Orton and that was it right those were really any like major I mean Sammy was there but they he was more on the mid card side so I mean it's booking I would probably blame it more more with that but or timing with like you know with Finn Balagone over Gootha Gone of Smackdown Sammy B in there Kevin Owens returning out there sorry they just just better with that I would see not not to get see a puncta full credit for that for him being the champion but I think right place right time I think I think so and I think they're also not it's it's this this time of year is also very good because it's so far away from WrestleMania so far away from the Royal Rumble that like you got to do something now yeah yeah we're like when you're closer those times you you know you're kind of just stuck you want to give some of these other worthy people an opportunity

1:21:09but you have this big match plan for WrestleMania already so it's like kind of a Finn Balor dealt with where it's like we knew he was going to lose both title matches that he had the one on raw and then the one at what elimination chamber Royal Rumble wherever it was like we're just like yeah we're gonna lose this is gonna be a great match like we know but it's just how this is gonna go you're just stepping stone for punk to get to Roman yeah sorry and you can keep it going too because you have multiple multiple people going after the title so you can kind of keep the storyline moving along it's not just you know stuck on one person and everybody hates each other yeah that's our great part everybody hates each other so as soon as like you have punk versus goother well then you could do Sammy versus Kevin or Cody versus Sammy or like whatever Randy and Kevin versus whoever like you can make if they team up again of course um like there's just so many different things you can do that's like everyone's so interconnected they're like once you

1:22:11have a title match it's like well what do you do with the other guys oh wait we got this storyline and that's like my biggest pet peeve since um I've started watching WWE again and we've had these five match PLE's it's like we've lost the spot where we have to put on the big card guys we're like if you went to a raw 15 years ago you were guaranteed that even if John Cena didn't have a match he was gonna have a dark match or whoever the big name is you know insert name here like that they were gonna be on the show where like triple H in early 2000s or something like that it didn't matter he was gonna be on the card whether it was dark match or not or the undertaker where I'm at in 2008 he's gonna be on the card no matter what that doesn't happen now or like on the PLE's John Cena's on where he just has random ass matches against random guys even if it's just a month storyline that him and Batista summer slam match John Cena Batista just kind of like this oba feme bron breaker where it's like two big names they're going up against each other they made that in a month it was a nothing storyline going into summer slam but they did it because it's John

1:23:17Cena Batista have them have have to have them on the card we gotta get people to buy the show they don't do that anymore because they don't need to but it would be fucking nice if they still had that mentality of wait goot there he's healthy and he's not on the card why the fuck not mean AEW goes by this fucking philosophy of like mgfs not on the card or will ospreys not on the card we gotta get them on the card yeah yep even if it's in a random ass match against another random ass good wrestler who cares will ospreys on the card yeah let's get it out there I wish they just wish they did that or like on the women's side where like you just see these people go on like a month vacation and it's like why like Charlotte flair go out there like have the six woman tag match you're you are who you are exactly your huge name Alexa Bliss you are who you are just get them on the fucking card god I gotta make that a fucking clip get them on the fucking card

1:24:23just get them out there geez what's in a magic nation floor um yeah no I agree not to compare you know not to compare these guys to like to like you know the guys in the attitude everybody it does remind me of like when like you have like undertake a keran angle triple H the rock stone cold uh mick full like all these people just going after the title all at once that's what does it think we get some do you think we're gonna get a mel a multi-man W title match and if if you do thinks think what kind of match do we get and where where would be and you don't have to be like what I mean by that is it's just like you don't have to be right like just draw out a name but like for me wrestle poloos it seems like a perfect place unless you want to make survivor series worth a damn outside of war games like to before like you can just showcase this before you break it

1:25:23down into a one-on-one kind of feud I mean I would oh I just see them do something kind of like a W did with the trios do like an elimination style match like where they have like like they did this with like they did like a backlash thing where they had a fatal four-way elimination match would you want to see that like with like a six-man or five or like even if see if see a pung it's pinned he's out and now you know this guaranteed gonna be a new champion I can't remember if they've done a six-man elimination match outside of like a elimination chamber because like I would come up with that match and I think you probably could do it on like a video game but you couldn't I don't I just don't remember if there's ever been like a six-man elimination match on its own without a fucking cage or something they've done like they call like a six-pack challenge or something like that yeah but only one person gets pinned and that's the end of the yeah they don't do anything I remember they don't do anything elimination day so yeah it's just one

1:26:26person and I would six with a six-pack challenge I don't think you can I don't think you should do that like do one once a person's pen that's it like it should be a elimination style because if there's six people in the ring they should definitely do it that way I mean it only makes sense you know from six down to two and then like you said the champion gets pinned then I got some I got the most of eight most of them are tag team matches but this is this all depends um let's see they said on the June 30th 2025 Smackdown was Undertaker versus JBL versus Crispin Wahl versus Booker T versus Christian versus Muhammad Asan if that's not a blast from the past this was a this was a straight six-man elimination match JBL ended up winning and it was supposed to crown the unawgable Smackdown champion and then Theodore Long abandoned the title idea because the T-Sat has been drafted to Smackdown and then I guess on October 18 2004 and Raw there was there was a

1:27:37random match between Christian to Jerry Rhino Hurricane coach and Shelton Benjamin that was another six-man elimination match so it seems like they've existed but uh it's it's it's it's very funny the 2005 one I'm going to pull up that Smackdown and see if um my chat GBT skills were up to par on that because I was June oh I ran into this issue okay I always type in Friday night Smackdown when I do my searches on um on Cage match and that was back when they had they all right didn't list them as that so it was June 30th which probably this one yeah it was uh oh I don't I don't know I gotta try and find it but

1:28:37the other way what are you thinking um yeah I'm thinking they should like I said I'm thinking they should do a um elimination style that they do go down that route who knows if they're gonna do a six-pack challenge I think they're gonna I mean so I keep it going I mean the best thing to do for them would be not to do something like that just throw everyone of the ring together kind of play it out you know have like those are like you know number one content try to keep on doing number one content and matches maybe have punk um defend against one of these you know what someone um while that's happening you know they can they can play in so many different ways right now they don't have to like rush to anything you know obviously they'll have a few months before Roya rumble so you know well you're right that is a nice part is that they really can kind of take their time and it actually finally be okay because usually that's always been a problem is that they take in their time and everyone's like could you just speed this up along um but I will

1:29:40say that both of those six-man elimination matches I brought up were legitimate six-man elimination matches um the one on raw lasted 11 minutes and this Smackdown won lasted 44 minutes dang all for Teddy long to abandon it because the T-Stick got drafted to Smackdown because in 2005 I guess it was several weeks of the draft so all right that's a concept I did not know I'm very back okay doke I guess we'll take the time to uh plug our sponsors uh G-Fuel and uh Dick Lasers you ever need to have a gag gift at a party or something like that definitely check out Dick Lasers they have more than just Dick Lasers of course they have

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1:31:47that you would get access to which is how you make lots of good friends right Marco you get all sorts of nice friends on the facebook page of course I mean you get to meet hawk too as well yeah like my hawksuggs eggs t-shirt that you gave me I thought that was pretty funny that was one of the first like you know graphics you've done that I'm like you know what I fully support this yeah that is actually from that shirt is actually available on pro wrestling tees slash turmbuckle taverns if you go there you can actually purchase that shirt hawk sucks eggs they have a ton of different shirts on on pro wrestling tees definitely go check it out a little extra money I would pay a little extra money at an AEW show just to be shown on tv with the hawk sucks eggs t-shirt that's a good idea actually you can sit front row and just have that hawk sucks eggs I mean they'll talk about you on uh oh yeah on the on the on the flagship show definitely

1:32:56maybe with the shit that might be the graphic for a while as the fucking of the show might be the hawk sucks eggs t-shirt on tv you know his the idea behind that and we'll get back to smack down was so like obviously we're like you know when you know when AI you can do a lot of stuff so like you can say like hey put this t-shirt on somebody and they'll do it'll it'll do it um but sometimes like I made like a I wanted to make like a generic like graphic for both of us just in case like there wasn't any cool like this this week luckily you know we have Saturdays made events so that that helped but like sometimes it's not like any a lot it's a lot of videos nowadays there's not many like pictures of things anymore like there's not a lot of photos of like you know smacked on a wrong if you do it's on it's on wwe's website and you can't really like can't save any of the photos it's like they have everything like locked up and everything so it's kind of hard to do that type of stuff so I want to make like a generic like graphic for both of us just like if there wasn't

1:33:56anything out there I could just throw that that picture out there and that type of thing so I was like yeah I was like what's sure can I give uh j-bugs and I was like I was like I know the Hawks' eggs t-shirt so I thought it was I thought it was kind of funny just to have that I mean it's uh you know it's fitting you know it's it is fitting I like women's wrestling you know it's yeah yeah you're you're an advocate for women's wrestling you actually do it you know what that's actually um I'm coming with some ideas turbuckle debate special edition chads if you listening uh j-bugs versus uh hawk and they debate why women's wrestling he debates why women's wrestling is awful and then j-bugs debates why women's wrestling is is great I think that'll be a good uh that'll be a special debate there you can moderate they can moderate it between the two you give your point counterpoint you know I'm not sure if I'm here's a thing I'm not sure if hawk has

1:34:58like a legit like reason why he hates women's wrestling I'm just as unprepared as he is so I'd be sure they might have to be on patreon actually because he might he might say some things about women that uh should have be viewed in the public setting I think I'm assuming it even sounds I like I said this Becky Lynch book is front and center that's not leaving that it will always be the front and center behind me that's a good idea if it chads if you listening anyone to say yeah it's let's set that to beta let's see I mean I probably will say that Becky Lynch is my favorite wrestler of all time is Becky Lynch that is my favorite that is my favorite wrestler I so wanted we so have to do that I think we talked about this last week of the week before we so have to get try to do like a review of evolution evolution pay review with hawk see if he if he can watch yeah we really got to do that I yeah get his review on it we had him on a while back me I never watched the first one no I don't think so and if I did I if I did I don't remember it like I

1:36:04know I know of some of the matches that existed on that show and some of the people yeah but like at the time I wouldn't have known some of those newer names yeah and now I'm like I yeah I couldn't even tell you like I know I watched a lot of 2019 like before summer slam but a lot of that stuff I'm like I that's how I'm kind of am too was where I'm even at the pg where I'm like I watched this I don't remember any of this but I watched it so yeah he uh yeah he we had him on like a while back and he was uh very uh very vocal about the ladies on uh I think what paper view was we watched uh we had him watch he we had him on rod and we should have had him on for the smackdown because here's one thing that's not being spoken about on this smackdown and I hate uh this is something I took note of I hated it was this smackdown was the majority of the matches were women's matches yeah everybody is always crying when the women are not showcased on the show

1:37:08which I agree that is something that we need to complain about so that does not happen but we are not calling like I don't want to say it's a win you know that's not right but like hey women's wrestling took over the majority of smackdown because yeah all the men are stuck in this big world title scene that's great and all we just put it over for the last like 20 minutes you're like it's so good that like what do we do with the rest of the show we got nothing else we have all these other women's storylines we got to highlight and that's what they did yeah and I think the problem was was that the matches just on on paper the match itself for a lot of the matches because they didn't need to be good the matches themselves just weren't that good yeah yeah I mean and that's that I was actually those are going to be the for my first point of discussion for uh smackdown is why are we still having Chelsea green get pinned

1:38:09as a WWE women's champion I'm calling for justice for Fallon Henley because she should get that title match before Nia Jax does I mean I guess you could say Nia Jax was getting screwed over before Fallon Henley pinned Chelsea green but if you're going to use that Nia Jax pinned Chelsea green then Fallon Henley did the same thing so where the hell is her title match and no one's talking about it so I got to make sure I make that point but Chelsea green I think she got pinned because her face is broken yeah I mean they they are playing that you know they they are doing that where you know Nia Jax you'll focus on the on the mask I think she um oh not the mask but focus on her face but most of the match so that's you know that's why she got pinned but that's back to back pretty much as a as a WWE women's champion you're getting pinned back to back weeks I mean it still happens when you have an 80 overall champion I don't know what to tell you

1:39:12and I think we talked about this last week it's I think it's one of those things where that you know it's like one of those things where they're trying to make it so we you know when she does actually you know that this shouldn't even be the case like why is it like oh she has to win it's like she's a champion we shouldn't be doing well are we looking at this the wrong way maybe Nia and no shape or form should be in this fucking title picture no are they doing this to get Nia some sort of acceptance from the fans that her and Chelsea fighting for this title that Nia will lose I hope God loses like is that what they're trying to tell us but everyone's so focused on Chelsea losing that the point actually is to try and establish Nia as some sort of world title contender again that she's not been in for months if not a year or two yeah and I'm gonna give it leeway on this loss because it's it's it's her you know she's fighting her essentially

1:40:17she's still injured technically where the other time she was just like she just lost which is kind of crazy to even do that well she did break her face at the at that point yeah so this this loss isn't as bad since it's you know she did get you know she did get like kind of brutally be and buy Nia Jackson that's not a you know huge deal but it's just seeing a champion well just thinking back like thinking of live Morgan not defending at all and not she she had a match against so ruka and then that was it on TV and now we have Chelsea back-to-back weeks losing in a match which is it she's a man technically that's the main if you want to look at it the main championship for for women that's the lineage of the WWE women's championship that goes way back back in the day so like that's what I'm looking at it is more as more of like a you know an historical factor when it comes to holding that title and I don't know it's just it's just weird well there's

1:41:23got to be other women's champions over time and I'm sure there's gonna be people that are gonna listen to this that are gonna be able to point those out but there's got to be ones that have won the title and just lost it's just where we're going to like you know there's definitely on the men's side there's definitely plenty of people where they're probably see a pump with one with this world title reigns when he was you know early see a pump days like it he was not presented as the even the main story of the show as a world champion so like it happens but a couple weeks ago I said Chelsea Greens promo was the best thing on the damn show and it made it seem like that she was the best she was the biggest story on the show and I really think that whatever like she's a very capable wrestler so I'm not trying to say she's not like she has the fans behind her in all of like the emotion in the story so like my whole point is that she doesn't even have to go out there and have the best match because there's all this emotion and

1:42:24everybody's in her corner that why wouldn't you not take advantage of it and maybe that's also why is because everyone is now sitting here going what the fuck is why is she getting pinned you guys are fucking over Chelsea green and it's just getting her more like what is it doing for Chelsea I think it's getting her more support than it is like negative anything else because it's only securing your support for Chelsea green yeah true like I or my little overexaggerating that or people kind of being like oh they're just gonna take the title off why do I even bother said a known better or do you think people are sticking their their feet in the mud going you know what fuck you guys like she deserves this goddamn title so now I'm gonna go to the show and I'm gonna cheer louder because I think Chelsea green deserves it yeah I mean it's maybe it's just a to play you know play with us fans like play with our emotions as as we wanted her to be in

1:43:30this position as you know as a champion and now you know it's like okay she has a championship now she has to prove that she is a you know that she's worthy of holding this title so maybe maybe that's what they that's why there you know this does this happening who knows or maybe we give them too much credit for that well and also a couple weeks ago we went through her whole her whole match history this year and she only won like three matches prior to even getting that title so we were kind of sitting here like how can you put over like a three and fucking 15 wrestler if you know wins and losses matters like that's kind of hard yeah yeah at the end of the day and so like I I hope it's more the other where they're like actually trying to play with fans emotions and they're trying to actually have there's more to it than them just looking at like you know we gave Chelsea the belt but like we can't have her just all of a sudden win matches because she's not done that this year so I guess that's logical too but it's just that's not fun now especially like

1:44:33I said especially as a you know especially being a fan of you know Chelsea great and everything she's done and how you know just seeing her progression throughout the whole you know the time that she's been uh with the company recently and you know getting to this point is it's like oh she wants a title it's such a like a good moment and then now it's just like all right I mean she's a champion how we just you know just have her job out to everyone it's ever loose everybody it's just out as it's weird it's a weird uh it's a weird thing about and I'm thinking if CM Punk never came back I feel like Sammy would have been in that position I feel like they would do that to Sammy for some reason they would have had him have the title just lose matches I mean that seems like a same thing to happen but another big thing in this story that I think we need to talk about is Tiffany Stratton and Chelsea Green's relationship yes uh what do you what do you see

1:45:33happening we kind of see the division where Tiffany is kind of like she's seeing Chelsea as a liability and Chelsea keeps trying to push her way into like teaming with her and being a rounder and all this stuff yeah and maybe that's a little bit too yeah because it's because it's it's hurting Tiffany Stratton almost just as much as it's hurting Chelsea Green yeah maybe the like maybe they don't have like a like a huge like blow out and you know Tiffany turns heel and all the type of stuff because you already have Nyan lash legend so you don't need like Tiffany turn heel maybe it's one of those they can't really have her turn heel win B with Nya because they all so much yeah yeah they're either yeah so like I'm thinking if they do something like that they do like kind of like a like a like a moment where like a defining moment we'll say where you know Tiffany's just like you know what this has like we can't yeah we can't do this anymore I can't you know you're almost a liability

1:46:36you like it kind of like how you said like there's like a speech you know saying like you know she has to watch out for herself of uh and then at the same time maybe she goes you're the champion you should be you know you should be losing every week that type of thing maybe maybe Tiffany's the one to give her that that motivational like you don't need me to be you know you want this title on your own that time maybe she needs maybe that's what they're leading up to is that like that type of thing to give her that you know Chelsea that motivation and then later on they do that would Tiffany do that even though that Chelsea was kind of the reason she lost her US title or would that be a big character development for Tiffany Stratton that like even though I chose you over my US title like I still need to like push you away because this is any harming us both like I don't even know if that would get over or like you know that would be comprehended but yeah I don't know that it happens yeah it's it has to play out some some way

1:47:39like that some type of like they ask me some type of interaction with them where it's uh you know they can't continue to you know coexist this way where you know they're losing matches and you know it's only bringing you know she lost her title um they they lose again this you know this past you know smack down um she hasn't want to go on this loses streak because I'm that brings her you know down lower on the card to you know get a title shot again uh so maybe I mean maybe they're leading into something where Tiffany and Chelsea have a match for the title or something like that and I don't know I mean does the appearance matter this Tiffany's new appearance matter she completely changed her hair she has fully pink hair which all the more power to you not saying it's positive or native but she completely changed her appearance is that maybe that isn't and I think I'm gonna go back to what you said about the character development I think her showing that like maturity and doing that like type of speech with Chelsea Green and not being the you know the Daddy's

1:48:45little princess gimmick that she had an NXT can she do that with pink hair though yeah no that's why me I know that's that's true yeah I feel like I feel like if you go that way I mean I get it there's all these different rules and shit you got to follow with the colors and stuff but like at the end of the day still like you're just as war of a Daddy's girl when you have just fucking hot pink hair yeah I don't know I don't I don't know I feel like they have something there something there where they can play off of when it comes in you know Tiffany and Chelsea there's some type of dynamic I'm just not sure how they go about it without turning Tiffany heel or making her seem he'llish towards Chelsea so that's that's that's the I'm like road dog in this I don't know we gotta get that sound but we gotta get that sound like too oh I gotta found that I feel it but I feel like there's something there though I don't know what it is I feel like there is

1:49:46like a dynamic there where they're like they can be you know friends they can coexist but it's like they're they're not helping each other by losing every week so they have to be some type of talked about yeah they have to be some type of discussion between them where they they you know they talk about this this is that's happening you know her losing her title you know her taken you know her getting abused getting basically just getting destroyed by lash legend and I and jacks just to help her out you know yeah that's me some type of this guy I feel like there's something there I don't think they should have banded it or anything like that no I and I like this I mean Tiffany Stratton hasn't done anything worth a shit all year and this is the first thing that I'm like you know what I'm into it I've liked that Chelsea greens the champion I'm been her being the champion and I'm into anything that Tiffany Stratton does that's worth a damn and this seems like something that's you know worth exploring more yeah definitely since it's a lady you know a women heavy episode I'm gonna let's I want to talk about pain I'm paxley and you know the

1:50:51Charlotte and Alexa and also actually did see a post by Alexa blush as a black eye apparently she was going she posted she was going to try to go the bathroom of the world of night and uh took a took a header into a door knob so she has a black eye she posted on her Instagram or some show like that you got to be kidding me exactly yeah so nice little nice little shine around on Alexa Bliss there but um wait hold on hold on look look Jesus Christ I think maybe we need a little work there yeah that's so brutal man I tell me I I I maybe this is how she feels that she's like like you know when you're like look at somebody where they tell you a story and you're just like look at them and they're like I know I know please don't say anything like I already anything you're about to tell me I already know and obviously that's how I feel right now when hearing this I'm like

1:51:56how do we get there and that's I assume if that that conversation was to ever happen that's exactly how that conversation would be like I don't know just just go that that's what happened yeah it's uh yeah I don't that's what she posted anyway but um they don't actually yeah it's a packed place okay at least she didn't get a door knob for the face right is she is she feeling that void for like that golf girl void for WWE now that you know rear rippley's gone you think she could take advantage of the absence of rear rippley oh it's like the expression why buy the cow when you have someone who lets you milk them for free I think I'm gonna sound right now where I feel like I'm Ashley and I'm like what I mean maybe I don't understand the whole goth culture and that's fine but yeah so I don't know

1:53:01I feel like it I feel like she's I mean especially like on uh yeah especially I'm definitely on social media you know she's been you know popping up a lot and all that type of stuff and she's been she's catching on a lot too I think you know obviously what you know her being with Charlotte Alexa definitely helps out but I feel like she could you know her personality too she could be that like she could fill that void while rear rippley not saying she's gonna take rear rippley's fan base or anything like that or become you know as big as rear rippley but she can definitely take advantage of that that boy that's missing with rear rippley and then with the tattoos and the you know the pale skin the dark hair tattoo deal she get I think she can do it she has a personality for it and one thing I will say just in general her YouTube numbers are trending up like since her debut like it's only gone up every week it's gone up maybe the segments are better of course this was her first match yeah but she's only getting more views and there's

1:54:05another thing about her she is she plays the flute did you know that I saw her post a video about that right yeah she plays the flute she plays uh she's been playing I'm assuming she's a gamer because she's been playing she played uh the alchorina of time flute from low legend is eldest she played like the actual like the song um that's good for her so like she I think she's heard doing that type of stuff on social media having that like you know the be like do the gaming stuff do it all that's kind of that's kind of like you said she's had a trend she's that it's gonna start pouring in because of that our personality on well on social media too as well so and I think the other I think the best part about it is is like even if I don't think she should try to be like rear-ripplier anything no no nothing like that I also think though that she's like in the perfect story where like she's not Alexa and already Alexa it's not Charlotte that's

1:55:06the great part about it both of them like Alexa's already a little bit of a freaky person to put with Charlotte where but like Charlotte and Alexa are fine together but now you put Tatum and Tatum's like this this very interesting third wheel where Alexa's perfectly fine with Tatum and then Charlotte's just like like almost like it just like a bro like are you serious yeah like like who's marry and is she bringing the blood or do I bring my own blood Lexi what is happening I'm about to reclip that end of that of just Lexi what is happening oh yeah that's actually that's a good one yeah the social yeah if we get off the rails or we start talking with some crazy stuff oh yeah shit we can get rid of the one that actually pisses you off and just use the Lexi what is happening oh my god that's actually a really good one but yeah no it's a I don't know I just I think in her finishers her finishers pretty cool oh I love that cemetery was a cemetery driver

1:56:09whatever yeah yeah yeah it's like it's almost like a video game like it's like a movie you'd find a 2k 26 or something like that yeah it was different it was what I saw it I was like all right I like it yeah yeah and I didn't watch the next tea like that I don't really know Tatum Paxley's move said like I you're gonna told me that she was a brawler and I would have believed you because I don't know now she's uh you know she's the her same name give it she was an NXC she's doing it here with the which you have like that shrine and all the type of stuff to them in that little closet that she built the same same thing not they didn't change anything but maybe if I see them drop some clips of hers on YouTube like again I'm not gonna go out and search for them but like if you know they're doing it with Oba right now and what not like they do that Tatum I'll probably wouldn't be a bad watch I'm sure yeah that's all I had I think she is like I think she has like the potential to like say kind of not like I said take any take any of Ria's fans or anything like that but she has that

1:57:11like you know that fill in that void page was that person before you know obviously she's you know she's a legend now so she's not that in that area but like you we have Tatum here now with the you know like I said with the not the same give it as Ria but you know same same uh what do you call it well she's like that red headed stepchild was the first thing I came up with was like the or that that like that like there's always like that one like if you have like multiple brothers and sisters there's always like that one child the black sheep of the family like that's what it umpaxly seems like so like we're we're Ria when Ria was there and she was you know she was interacted with Charlotte and and Alexa like trying to like you know they're trying to get her on board and all Alexa is trying to get them the gathering stuff like that cool but this seems a little bit this is like different this actually where I think this kind of works yeah where you have the same type of like you know her sona but it's not Ria Ria's like

1:58:13she's like more imposing it you know she's like you know more she seems well I don't want to say innocent but like she seems a lot more like not like it's threatening in a different way like yeah it just walks up and just physically like just her posing yeah she's imposing where Tatum's like psychologically maybe put like yeah she's just crazy yeah it's just crazy yeah it's just like like like just like we're Charlotte's mind where her mind just went what the fuck is this yeah what is that day that's what like what is happening like yeah and like you said it is a perfect person for her too yeah like you said it's it's like I don't know just it just that group dynamic is perfect because you have like like you kind of mentioned early Alex's she's normal by the same time kind of off a little bit Charlotte's more put together and then Tatum just completely off so like Alex is kind of like

1:59:14that middle ground between the you know between both of them she can relate to both Charlotte and Tatum Paxley because you know like the history of you know her changing you know the Bray Wyatt you know you know taking over and you know showing who she really was and all type of stuff and yeah so you so as a wrestling fan I mean they haven't explained it till a new or like audience stuff but if you've been watching it for a long time you know why Alex is the way she is now you know with the you know with the doll and everything and Lily you know that type of stuff so let's move on actually we can more ladies to lady side it was a lady heavy episode or do you want to or do you want to you know take a break with the ladies it's much more than Randy and Cody no let's keep going with the ladies because they dominated the show they can dominate the conversation yeah we had also page because I mentioned earlier page took on JC James for the United States women's championship

2:00:21and I enjoyed it I enjoyed this match I thought it was those pretty I was in joy see page wrestle too you know you don't think it deserved that 3.52 that it got on cage match I mean it is what it is it's not a you know I mean you know I mean if you want to go by that rating yes I guess I guess like it's like the match itself wasn't like but that was like a hope it had nothing the whole point of the match was they had nothing to do with the match yeah it was a set it was a set up for Nikki to come out and beat up page pretty much that's what that's the matches for I mean if you had any indication that in pages in a win I mean that's that's on you but it was just literally just like a like a kind of like a set up point for you know I almost said Bri for Nikki to come out and take out page you know step on her neck you know that surgically

2:01:25repaired neck all that type of stuff well you feeling okay go ahead well I was just saying that oh Jesus Christ you go ahead I was gonna say how do you hear me or on the wall how are you feeling about this feud between page and Nikki it's one of those like I want to like it yeah and it's just I mean it doesn't help that they're just not getting the TV time but it also just doesn't feel it just like I knew we were going here but it just it just seems like I don't know like they were just told to go there and it doesn't connect well yeah like the things that Nikki's pissed off about it's like it doesn't fully make sense and it's hard to kind of get past that and like Nikki's just attacking page and like page and Nikki are not exactly getting like the reaction you want them to get because like I remember when page debuted and I thought she was the best fucking

2:02:30woman's wrestler that like was in WWE at that point like yeah it was just it was a different time and now you just in current day and I understand pages had a lot of shit happen she's at injuries it's 10 plus years later I get it and she's still only like 33 34 years old like I just don't understand what exactly is wrong with this match to where people are talking about it people aren't excited about it it's not really getting views yeah like you would think it would because it's Nikki in page and it's I don't know exactly what it is maybe we need it really get needs more substance I feel like the reasons Nikki gave just weren't really good reasons where it was like you know like I don't even remember exactly what she said but I had something to do with like kind of just like page like kind of just took her spot and like just got the tag titles even though they asked her to get them like to be a part of the group to take her spot and it was

2:03:35it was just weird where like I feel like you just need something you like you don't have a legitimate reason like if you're jealous or something like that like fucking just go out and say it like don't even like what you're trying to justify this with isn't working yeah because like these are this is this is a match that you would think could be on that Sunday nights main event card that you would think could be on money in the bank and a random ass match to you know fill fill the void with the money in the bank matches like you would think that that it like would be big enough because of their names alone not even so much like just their wrestling or anything it's just like it's Nikki Bella in page but what the reaction and the like everything is what the metrics is showing is that don't fucking matter and they cut their segment I know I complained about all those segments that all those weren't cut but like it was pretty obvious that their segment was cut

2:04:41a couple weeks ago and like they're given these little like a few minute time stamps to get over this feud it just doesn't seem right yeah I just feel like they should be I mean they should be more like Nikki and Paige should be involved in like the younger like with the younger ladies like being you know having matches with them having feuds with you know with fatal influence and you know Tiffany Strat and then you know I feel like that's that's probably that's why we're not getting they're not getting the reaction because of that because they're they're going at each other and not like a obviously not Blake Monroe but you know propping Julia maybe having a few but Julia or something or trying to figure out how to you know something like that is just just having them to go at each other it's like why what's the what's going to be the end result of it who's that going to benefit out

2:05:43of these two like who's gonna it doesn't benefit either one pretty much yeah and I and I also feel like they're here's the other shitty part with Paige is like when you look at all of Paige's matches since coming back you want an interesting cage match statistic for you on page she's she's she's returned in April she has not had one match on cage match that's above a five interesting which I already had an idea of that and the reason I bring that up is I know cage matches not the end up be all I get it some of these matches are rated poorly like all the matches were rated poorly on Smackdown but like the main event and even though it's still not us and I'm over here like I didn't hate to show it all like I didn't think I don't think those matches deserve the grades that they were given because it wasn't the point of the match like so like that happens

2:06:44but like you want Paige to go have a feud with JC Jane or something for the US title I'm not I'm no wrestling expert but like is there something going on here is she going to have one where people are going to get behind it like her promos haven't exactly been like anything to die for either and like I want Paige to succeed like a lot I wanted her back and like she's a she seems like a great person her book has been a great listen to her podcast she had was a great listen to like like she's a great person to like have around it seems but like what the fuck's going on here it's like I feel like she needs that thing and Nikki Bella ain't that thing and yeah I don't know put in her with other talent though like younger talent and put in them over is the thing because I don't think she's gonna she's not putting herself in a position

2:07:49to even be decent herself that's true and like I don't I don't and like I'm not it's just one of those words what do you do to get her over that hump because her teaming with Bri wasn't wasn't it and like her with JC was that was a good start and her being the US title picture I'm like oh perfect this might maybe they just dropped the Nikki Bella thing and they just totally didn't and now you expect you expect her and Nikki to go out there and have a like a banger match like you know do I don't even know if that's going to happen like do you probably not like like like what do you think about like that kind of happening where Nikki Bella which I wonder if Nikki Bella is in a similar boat where she's also not exactly a she's not putting out banger matches

2:08:52might end up like that like the Becky and Nikki match where everyone was like and played about what was it the uh I forget what it was like a spot in there that people like really got like they were hard on it I feel what it was oh there could have been one but yeah their match was rated fucking very low yeah it was kind of bad yeah it was that was below a four so it clearly didn't go over well and yeah well I don't know it's not gonna be good I'll tell you that much it's not gonna be uh I mean I'm hoping they have a decent match but oh it's not looking good well and dude do you think they do that they have to do it on Smackdown because I don't think this is gonna it's not going over well like anywhere else I don't think no I don't think so the segment yeah I mean the segment I mean it seemed like they got some

2:09:58crowd reaction when they had that backstage segment what uh but they're like you know page in the hustle lawyer to hustle loyalty respect yeah you know I I'd work with hustle loyalty respect you slept you slept with it or some shit like that hey give us she's done um seemed like the crowd was reacting to that pretty good but other than that yeah I don't I don't know the match is gonna fare part of the best I'm thinking anyway yeah it's just yeah I'm with you on that I don't I don't think it's gonna fare very well either I'm I'm trying to look up that uh if I have notes on that clash in Paris match which I don't I don't think I do cuz like that was so long ago that I don't even my notes weren't very consistent back then but yeah I know I always just trying to see if I could figure out that spot and what not that happened in that match so wasn't so great oh yeah I

2:11:02would be and uh I think yeah I think I would have was I mean either way early of what there's it got a 3.95 rating out of like 400 something votes so that's yeah I think I'm good no bueno on that um I we probably can get the Cody and Randy there's really nothing else going on unless you want to take a prediction on the US title and what JC Jane might do with it like now we I mean now we don't have to do that yeah I don't think that's even a point of discussion right now as far as I heard defend again and any contenders for it um compared to like for for Cody and Randy this whole simulation where they can't touch you know they're not supposed to you know hate each other whatever the case may be compare comparing this to like other because there's been other times throughout WWE

2:12:03where there's been instances where and you can't touch the person before the match um comes to mind right away triple H and so on cold when they had that stipulation where they couldn't you know they couldn't lay their hands on each other blah blah but there was other means of them to do it so like you know so cold you know gave Stephanie the stunner one time because he couldn't give triple H a sun as well you know she's the next closest thing there's always things that they would do to like get to each other and I it seems like they're not doing this with Randy and like Cody and really like there's I mean they're saying things to each other to like you know piss each other off but like there should be other means of them like hurting the other person somehow without obviously pity each other I guess I don't feel like this one they can do with this stipulation I'm with you there but there's no low hanging fruit that they can do unless because like Brandy is not like out ringside go in every week or like

2:13:05Bob Warden I don't even remember the last public appearance Bob Warden's had on a WWE show like I don't know what you could do without it being like blatantly obvious like oh my dad's here like I don't think like they're in St. Louis anytime soon and of course they're not in Georgia until Sunday nights main events so like yeah it's I feel like it's hard to like it was easy in that storyline that you were mentioning because Stephanie man was there yeah she was a character where for this there's no characters there's no like what Cody has Cody got rid of all of his friend Randy has no friends like he has a weird relationship with Kevin Owens but that's really it like there's it would have been nice if there was something like that they could have done but this whole going off the past promo that they did seems like the best thing that they could have done without I don't know having to get even more creative and even then I was still kind of fumbling around because it wasn't even even then because

2:14:09Randy's going off on Cody at all these different things and Cody says one line about it Randy's father and Randy's like call that's too far yeah even though Randy called his wife you know you know like she gets around mentioned Cody's dog and then the daughter's daughter's Barry and the dog and like what going on and on and it's like this is kind of harsh and then Cody mentions just one thing about his dad being a fuck up and all of a sudden Randy's like that's too far that's what I mean it's like I feel that's not like so many things they can be doing you like they can like do shit to each other's like I don't know property or something like that like because they don't really hit it that's like different things they can like do you want it a Randy showing up to a little bit early to Cody's residents or attack or whatever no not like that

2:15:09like they could be like neither one of them had a match like they could have had a match against somebody the other one could have been at ringside like you know you know trying to get them to hit like there's so many things they can do like in that sense like I don't know they just you know maybe they were one of them wasn't supposed to be there that night and then they get the buy a ticket say that ringside while the other persons you know in the ring cut in a promo or like I said having a match and they're just like you know doing shit to like antagonize them and stuff like that's there's like so many like weird things that they kind of like done that they're not that they're not doing just in the meantime in between you know this match instead of just having them go out there and say disparaging things about each other's parents and shit do you want to take the last guess at the last time Cody Rhodes is that a match on Smackdown

2:16:14definitely maybe earlier in the year like let me think it's not as bad as you think maybe may is that too far back though that that is too far it is it is only it didn't it didn't have a finish but they did go almost 13 minutes it was July 17th Cody Rhodes and Goon Thur had a match oh right wow okay I remember the match they he had a dark match after that but that was like the one nice thing there was a that was that dark match where they him and Opa Femi teamed up take on the vision okay all right I mean obviously that don't count and then a month earlier in June he had a number one contender match where he took on J.U. so for the WWE title okay so number one contender for that and then him and Goon Thur had a one-minute match a week prior that ended in a DQ okay no no no it was that it was weird it was like there was two matches they had that night

2:17:23I forgot about that it went like 11 minutes 11 minutes Cody one the match got restarted and then a melee ended so like but my whole point is is like Cody's Smackdown match history this year has been kind of weird because he has that one thing in June then we have to go back to May and he has a May 22nd match against Sammy then he have to go to May 1st where he has a match against Ricky Saints and then we're backing up till March he has no matches in April so he goes a whole month without a match and then he has a title match against Drew McIntyre that's where he won the title and then from there he didn't have a match until his qualifying triple threat match that was in February a month prior to it and like he didn't have a match like he is not gone having only once in the last like six months as this guy actually had more than

2:18:27one week where he had like back to back matches like two weeks in a row where he's had back to back matches I only can't find one time he's done that so Cody Rhodes is also not exactly wrestling all that many matches and I'm kind of curious what his I'm sure he's on the house shows he has wrestled 48 matches this year but only 17 have been televised and last year it was only 19 and so like I said that was broadcasted shows where if it's not broadcasted it's 40 he's had 45 matches so like clearly they know if they go and if they're going to a house show and you know some random ass town somewhere Cody Rhodes is on the card having a match but televised 45 total 17 is all that was televised yeah interesting

2:19:35huh I don't even know who the Smackdown workhorse is to even go off of that like always has matches I don't I mean is there one is there a men's workhorse on Smackdown to be like yep that guy got a lot of matches let's see a question because like a really in Carmelo Hayes like he should be but he's really not date maybe Davian priests I feel like he's had a lot of matches him probably the MFTs I feel like they're always on every week having a match or something I can't I mean I'll look up Damian priest just a humor yeah I don't think I don't think so though that's interesting if it is I don't know it's just that just don't sound right Damian priests let's let's take a look at his matter truth now I mean he'd be even Damian priest has had 33 total matches this year

2:20:37of those 24 of them are broadcasted so they're using him for TV but not so much for house shows it's the opposite of your roads so you're actually right on that he has way more matches than what Cody does yeah if he had matches than he had last year yeah if I can see him every week like I said all they have FTs I like Tomatong good I'll talk maybe Tomatong he might be up there at matches got smackdown yeah that's no let's see now we'll find out 33 total matches broadcasted he's had 18 so that's more than Cody that's more than Sammy but that's not he's still like six below with Damian priest yeah oh it's always interesting when you look at the numbers of these kinds of things because it kind of just puts in perspective where it's like oh yeah Carmelo Hayes he's though he's the workhorse

2:21:40kind of wrestler like he should be in all the matches and you go and look at his statistics he has 39 matches but broadcasted it's it's still 23 so he actually is more of a workhorse than the rest of him even though I don't exactly I can't really pinpoint a match that was greater anything but like because he's he's a great wrestler but like they were just matches true I don't know where this promo I got to know where it's going but between Cody and and Randy they're just doing the like that's by the textbook and it just didn't really it got some ooze and aes from the crowd that's all I think it was meant to do and it sucks said it just wasn't that was was that one that was not that was a tape show wasn't it can't remember yeah I think it was yeah I think yeah that was on Monday that show was recorded on

2:22:45Monday it got aired on Friday and so the results are probably already out for this week's Smackdown I've done a I've my feet is really good about not spoiling I only look at my uh following on X most of the time and nobody I follow post spoilers yeah apparently so I don't I didn't see anything about Smackdown ahead of time other than people reacting to it when it finally aired yeah I guess we probably should get to raw yeah I think that's yeah I mean I thought you know I thought Cody and Randy you know maybe they do need Pat McAfee you know I was wrong to make this interesting and one of the dumbest bitches and I love

2:23:46I for the record I love Pat McAfee but you know what we do what we do what we do what we do why we do what we do so why we do what we do they do you know they ruin it too so it's a new era oh we see that's another thing thought is it that one somewhere yeah I have that yeah this is gonna start a whole new era he's been saying that for like 20 years grabbed an old one of him yeah just to point out like hey he's been giving us that gimmick forever that it could be a new era it's a new era yeah I just love that they somebody piece together all the just what we do it's what we do why we do what we do it's why we do what we do I mean so raw was pretty much just

2:24:49Royce Keys of the OTM be the shit out everyone and then a five star match between Ray Phoenix and Panto yes and gave actually finally Joe Tessetor finally had some valid crash outs yeah and it was bookended too was you know the beginning of the show was the OTM and Royce Keys beat down and then the main event so if you were playing 2k26 would this be a good show with a good opening and a good closing or well it would come down to the match of course but you're right if the promo is counted and you got to like put it on first I would say yes you would have been rewarded with you know you wouldn't have gotten hit on this because yes that opening was good and the ending was good and that's that's how you want these wrestling shows to go you want to you want to start you want to keep you involved from the beginning and then I want to send you home happy so yeah so we kind of talked about this a little bit already you know Royce Keys

2:25:49and OTM you know made uh made work of the Usos in the parking lot before before the show started which led to Jacob Fattu to obviously take out Solosakowa Pano Reason because Solosakowa isn't really with Royce Keys or OTM but he took out his you know frustrations on Solos and then proceeded drops of F bomb oh the MFR on on television they you know he sent the mother fucking tongans you mean yeah the mother fucking yeah the MFTs he uh he dropped an MFT on uh raw and they cut his microphone and everything uh a lot of speculation was whether it was you know a work or a shoot um a lot of people with a first when I was reading when it when people are first posting this everywhere um before it aired because obviously he was taped people like oh my

2:26:51god he's gonna get in trouble he's gonna you know he's gonna get fined he was supposed to do this the family because it obviously it's PG um you got to be kidding me you know how people are with you know with their assumptions when it comes to that stuff uh I am really just like I I got to just clip Weezy's fucking tweet and just post it here it's just you guys every you guys are so exhausting yeah carrying this it's exhausting I um and what she means by that because oh my god I mean she's also exhausting we'll say too as well I know I'm not gonna go against you on that I'm just they're all the content creators the WWE shill they're also exhausting and they're always awesome they overreact the stuff oh my god oh my god Ricardo this even if we like them or not like I have nothing against Weezy but you're right all of them are like JD any of them they're all they're all exhausting in their own way

2:27:57like the only person that I said that macho dude that I um that I told you about he's on X now too as well he's like the only one that's like not real he's like the only one that's like a realist when it comes to things obviously he has he has his you know thing against Cody I'm still putting over Don Tony he's a realist too yeah he's uh he's you know he you know he he has a sting against Cody but he's very he's fair with the side he comes he comes with his he comes at receipts he's you know well knowledge with his uh with his points and stuff like that I have yet to see anyone counter any of his points like yeah actually like like to be like that's what I want to do I want to see like people actually debate this stuff like they're you know they're they're um their thoughts on you know the product and stuff like that one and someone has like a counter point to what someone's saying and they don't like what they're saying I'd like a platform where like people can just go on and kind of debate this stuff I feel like there needs to be

2:28:59like I mean I I feel like there needs to be a platform where different content creators go on together and debate these topics I wonder where we could do such a thing I don't know no but here's the thing they don't do it though like they're like they'll either like you know they'll go on they'll go on like their social media and counter that way but they won't like face-to-face set across with each other and actually like have any discussions on why this is this and why that is that or why you think this and why you think that I would like to do that there was an interesting one and it didn't even have to do with WWE had to do with AEW with um Will Osprey's entrance where somebody was like oh my god this is like this is stores like don't tell me AW doesn't tell stories and then someone had a like a criticism where it was like well most of that wasn't even told in AEW and then but like they're what like they just kind of stopped it right there and I'm like yeah wait a minute I don't know all the stories I want to

2:30:00let this play out please yeah like I kind of want to see how this goes because at the end of the day I don't really know like I just want to hear me out that's all I want to know like I was actually one that I'm just like kind of sitting here like you know what like devil's advocate this stuff I don't care like like make this shit interesting I want to hear you like and that's like the greatest part about like all the debating stuff like even if you don't believe the bullshit you're saying yeah like still like I feel like the debates need to happen where it's like a good constructive debate of like here are two popular opinions yes go debate them like I almost feel like that needs to be like hey here's the knowledgeable guy you're a knowledgeable guy girl whatever you you know that and it's like you to pay you are good to be you are this fan with this opinion you're this fan with this opinion yeah he that did that I did yeah that dude that I follow the one that I presented to you with like he he calls out a lot of like the like the you know the content creators

2:31:07is he go like the you know the WWE not the well they're not really WWE but like the wrestling on the screen is the reactor they'll all say that they're you know they're not attached to one brand and they're all whatever yeah and it's just and I want to see like because I've seen those like one versus all you see those debates where it's like one one Roman Reigns fan versus you know 20 Roman Reigns haters and they try to you know I want to do it like that they need to do it like that whatever that middle ground podcast or whatever it is where it's like yeah it's one on one just like someone like that's very you know knowledgeable this part like you said and some of that's you know they have their own points on this and they go ahead to hand on it that's what I like I see I think they've you know interested to see what you know if people can actually back up what you know what they think and what they believe when it comes you know wrestling in the product and stuff like that would it just not be a good business move for like a content creator because

2:32:09it's like okay this is how they're making their money and then they might just go on there and get fucking exposed I mean that's I mean if you're going to be out there as a wrestling content creator and you know not that you have to know you have to be a historian and know everything you know from the past you know 60 years of professional wrestling whatever but you should be able to you know you know articulate and be able to talk your points if you do believe something is better than something else or you have opposing views from over this person you should be able to speak to it if you feel like Roman Reigns is the greatest of all time tell me why those are some of the greatest moments there's one in particular that I will remember with JD and Solomon's tour where JD went on this rant for like five minutes like went on this whole rant it's all a monster just sitting there and once JD's done Solomon's just like are you finished and the JD's like yep yeah yeah I'm done like some

2:33:15he puts on the glasses and just I'm just like this is great like he was ready like everything that he would just said for five minutes he's just like dude like fuck off yeah like your points he wouldn't definitely I don't think he would ever do this but like Conrad he shouldn't like that would have been a perfect opportunity for like him to debate someone about why Roman Reigns like he doesn't think Roman Reigns is a top guy they could find so that's prominent in the world if like in the social media world or content creator for wrestling that believes that he is and has points to back it up have them sit down and you know point count a point why I mean like you said it might expose someone well that's a whole point and he was defending it all over X or where it all like social media platforms like someone like him like I feel like that would have been like you know it would have been a great video to do like go whoever go find other popular podcast person you're friendly with and like have a video on that that sounds like that would

2:34:21get you ad revenue and good money on YouTube and whatnot like give me give me Sam Roberts dude have to sit down with Sam Roberts and debate that would happen debate Sam Roberts I'm pretty sure he'll have he's I mean he's very compelling with his with his statements and stuff like obviously works with WWE so that'd be a little bit different but that'd be like this something like this someone like that someone that's like you know like a Chris van Blee he doesn't have any like allegiance to any any you know particular organization stuff like that he interviews everybody but I feel like when he's he's back to do a corner what stuff like I've seen him on podcasts with people like what do you watch it you know it's fake right and he'll like he'll counterpoint and be like yeah you know like everything you watch on TV's fake though you watch you watch you'll get more infuriating that is something I think every wrestling fan can can relate to is just the it's fake and then the immediate just moaning and groaning we're all just like we grow it's at the point

2:35:21it's at the point of them not it's it's it's the it's the story it's the it's it's all that's of a sub-adventure we know what that is like we're not five it's like watching a movie it's like watching a TV show that's literally oh it is like just people that live by like I said gave a throne just people that literally act out role-playing like they want to be like old you know ancient time people larping this people that actually go out into it yeah yeah stuff so like what the hell I mean we're not doing I mean I'm not doing that anyway but one time one time I went down my girlfriend's families into the Civil War reenacting oh boy Gettysburg is like a drive away like we can get there in like five six hours so I think twice I've actually marched in there one of their parades oh nice they get in there's a shit I was dressed up I I'm okay I was wearing the the wool fucking coat

2:36:23this is November so it was kind of useful okay but like it was it's interesting or like you go to comic con you see all the all these interesting people there and like I will I will say for the Civil War stuff people take that shit seriously right very seriously I'm sure just like if you were to go to like a comic con or like a an individual celebration of insert nerd thing here like you're gonna there are people that are like they're gonna take their costume to a new level you see this Batman you're like god damn did you pay a lot of money for that you see a stormtrooper and you're like yeah that you didn't go to party city for that one because that even still exists or like you didn't go to the turn you look up up Halloween stores or whatever true true true you put that shit together yeah I mean like he says I said I mean I'm not gonna anyone that because I I love a lot of like I fall a lot of cosplayers and stuff like that so I find that even the wrestling ones the

2:37:24module man's that are all do not show versus great to over the moon salt is great she's a she's you know I've interviewed her a few times are my I'm I showed something that I mean she's a bit like heard her stuff is a bit she does everything by hand I'm not sure she doesn't now but I know like at the beginning she was you know she her I think I think she said her like grandmother or on just like that taught her out and so and stuff like that so she she created all her like like her her cosplay from like scratch from like actual you know putting it together not buying stuff off of you know Amazon and doing that type of stuff because I know some people do that and it saves time too especially if you don't have the time to do it and you know it helps out a little bit Nick Wayne if you if you ever seen him before he's another one he's heavy in the cosplay game with with wrestling you said he dresses up as everybody he also models too so he gets away with like going shirt with some of his cosplay so which you know which helps

2:38:28especially did like Shawn Michaels before you know he had like the Shawn Michael the hat that like a little like had to use a wear with it and then you did the blue I think what gear that was for them where you wore blue like the blue tites with the blue hearts and all that shit yeah he's actually really good there's a lot of some really good cosplayers out there that do that type of stuff so not like said not not kidding either because they're they're all amazing but this just goes to show how great raw was that we are talking yeah I know right with a little cosplay yeah haha outside of like outside of this great main event which was we all knew who was going to win the match but it still didn't take me from that match that was great the opening that just had Royce and OTM where the Usos got sent to the hospital we didn't see them for the rest of the night and Roman and LA night had a little promo nothing really happened there until LA night went to the back because Royce and OTM were attacking Solosakoa and then Roman took out LA night because LA night

2:39:29thought Jacob thought two did it yeah didn't but then we see Royce in a video later on that that they in fact did it yeah so that happens that's all you need to know there and outside of that everything else I was there was there um and that's welcome to raw I mean we have Dragon League gets a title match for the icy title of Mexico City Penta won that big main event he's going after Roman Reigns in that September 14th Mexico City raw episode so like that's already looking like just even there it's just two great matches that I'm excited to see yeah um like just there's nothing like that nothing on the show is awful no no it wasn't like like I did like the you know you know Javon Evans and Dominic Mysterio that in a decommunite tag match in the middle of it because you know all the interference yeah that match wasn't it wasn't

2:40:35it was okay it was all right I do want to before we move on from Dominic Mysterio I do want to try and point out something I got to pull it up this man has not so he won that won the match that he won the tag team match the last match that he has won on a televised show I am we are going to find this on a raw smackdown or peel I'm not going to include triple A he has not won I'm continuing to scroll he has not won until since smackdown on June 5th he won a King of the Ring first round fiddle foie match where he defeated brawn breaker Damien Priest and trick Williams it's only get beat by oboe femy within five minutes in his next match and he has not won on raw and since he defended the triple A mega title on May 11th defeating

2:41:43Ogronde Americano so just a little extra facts there that Dominic has not really had the best luck when it comes to matches on TV lately where he hasn't won since May on WWE TV interesting so that's streaks gone he they you know they won that's crazy he's not had a great year when it comes to you know wins losses at least no definitely not because it's uh what is he had his match to do it's all right we got to guess he has 29 matches how many of those 29 matches these are just that's just all the matches he's had of those 29 matches how many do you think he's won Dominic yeah Dominic

2:42:4520 he said 29 matches right 29 matches yeah and all of them were televised that he's won he's had 16 televised matches and still the same amount as one I'm gonna say that's probably given a little maybe seven four four matches he's won four matches all year and he's had 16 televised matches so he's four and he's four and uh 12 when it comes to his televised matches but it comes to all of his matches he is sitting at four and 25 wow and that is your world champion of triple A right there that sucks four and 25 I don't even know what to say to that be neither this is the guy that lost a Dan house and uh with the money's on the pole match

2:43:51is that and what uh that's why people I see a lot like sometimes I'll see people post like when he loses stuff like that like I see people post like who did he piss off yes that's exactly it that's exactly it he takes very much was like a top heel in terms of like fan reaction or what done yeah well what would happen there I mean the judgment day is a whole as I was gonna you know move on from you know talk about that but move on to like the you know them get interfering and everything and all the type of stuff it's you know it's kind of get a gold with that especially with the you know the women's championship yeah the intercontinental championship match that happened at least it was Lyra that was the reason the soul lost yeah yeah true but it's just it's a same thing every week when it comes to that well that's been the judgment day thing for years

2:44:52where it's just always like them they just have the numbers game nothing really changes with the judgment day like they change some members but it's still it's all I don't know I don't want to say it's rinsing repeat because I don't hate the judgment day but also it's like it hasn't really changed much yeah maybe if we're gonna like with rose colored glasses or something like that but I feel like when they did it it was a lot more creative and not boring when they did stuff like that when they like if it was like an interference or well about a new like I feel like a lot of times there are the more sound interferes in a match where they're like they have a routine about them where just the way they do it it works you know it's gonna happen but when they do it though it's also very strategic and it works yeah and like they're the better ones at it but once again like it's been happening for years so like you have to go above and beyond now if you want to like have them go out there

2:45:55and interfere in a match and everybody woo and woe all the time yeah I'll be weak crowd we're over here wooing and woing over this penta and ray phoenix match that was very good but there's other promotions that put on that match every week yeah that match it's that match was like a more like a subdued version of his event they've had matches before against each other ray phoenix and penta that you can go back and watch that's where the one critique to this tournament was that it's like a lucha door kind of light tournament where like they have lucha doors and it but like everything's on half speed it's not it's not a there it's not a legit you know yeah they're not going full like beat the shit out of each other like they would have like something like that like one band is like changing their genre you got a rock band they're going pop or you got a pop band going country or a country band going bluegrass or something like they're just not fully committing and that's just what this tournament felt like was that it just wasn't they weren't fully committing

2:46:56to the bid yeah did they have a match in eight i want to say they they did the last i think time they faced each other was on a i heard this somebody said this maybe a sol monster might have said it to give credit where i heard it from i think it was a 2020 episode of dynamite yeah yeah they face each other in other areas other like organizations too i believe they've had matches um let me see if i can i can probably figure that out uh wow shit it's all the matches that they're together in let's see i can add parameters uh only singles there we go they fought on a dynamite november 11 2020 pentane ray phoenix and then they fought in october of 2020 where ray phoenix beat pentane on dynamite

2:48:04it was a world title liminator tournament first round match and they fought in 2019 at wrestle con some sort of some sort of super show that was in new york city they fought and then they fought over the mlw world title numeral contender match in april of 2018 pental won that match they fought in another mlw match mlw fusion number one world's collide uh they've had plenty of matches together yeah some of these other promotions that they do it that they've done it and i've never heard of and then their first match together was in lucha underground yeah he beat it pentane an eight minute match yeah pental was fighting everyone he's fought eosky and lucha underground he fought um um Chelsea green and lucha underground have you ever seen those clips or anything like that or

2:49:09i've seen the clips of the Chelsea green one because i remember that i brought up uh some brutal time this year yeah the eoskyl and brishtree something definitely check it out check that one oh yeah there it was um yeah pentane uh eosky i think it her name and uh it wasn't eosky and obviously lucha underground it was something else but yeah then what would what would i free get Chelsea green she gets free get thrown into the crown in the chairs you know what shit she got i asked it he's me the shit out of Chelsea green forget like the blood sport DVD but for uh and that's why and that's why i like kind of like give her props she's like she's you know head matches with like she's fought dudes and matches and she's like that she's in like mixed or intergender matches and stuff um yeah that pentane pentane one with her and lucha underground was yeah

2:50:10yeah she got the story to that they should have a rematch wwe if they allow it and i will i won't i won't be able to i'm on the eoskybeat and then you can repeat what you said i can't find it because i don't know eos name either and it had nothing to do with eosky no it wasn't it was i forget her name on it uh yeah i won't be able to even find it without looking up his his matches on that i'm sure i could easily google search it hit i think it was hit hit so carry hit the carry i'm really glad that i didn't find it because i wasn't able to pronounce that yeah versus pentagon dark s's name was because he was evil pentagon i think he did he did that gimmick in a w2 uh when he went darn and he was a bad guy he was a heel

2:51:15yeah i mean i have to go back and watch on youtube i believe yeah actually he is on youtube you can watch that full match but there's like highlights of it too um but the only way other matches take away from the one that they had this past monday that was oh yeah definitely not no let's match was awesome yeah it was it was i mean match of the night for for raw probably match of wwe again yeah outside of whatever happened at heatwave or triple a since the other one of us really got the sit down and watch those shows but yeah and if you want to throw a w in there yeah definitely definitely not the match of the weekend if you're going to throw the uh those guys in there as well um but yeah other than that i mean pentad's face in rumen um in two weeks that's not next week next week their live in like Birmingham alabama or something like that they are live somewhere so we get right now we have uh we have robo so we have two people

2:52:16looks like after roman technically you have elay night looking for a title shot you get pentad actually he has a title shot coming up um do you think we see any interaction between elay night and pentad but do you think they keep them separated from this i think they keep them i mean well i guess maybe they could do something next week but i i i feel like it's all just for the feel good moment you know they're putting roman on on a big rots they're they haven't been to mexico city in whatever like 15 years or whatever they Chadgable said yeah like it's just i it's like the fin ballercy on punk where you just know it's gonna be a good match there's no way in hell fin baller's winning there's no way in hell pentad's winning like i don't even know if you go into that like it like it kind of just seems like they're just doing this to play it off the home crowd pentad's the biggest you know wrestler they have from there so they came up with this tournament let's do it

2:53:22like make the show big like and they played it off like that where ramis teriel went to roman rains pitched the idea roman accepted it like like they're they haven't went out of their way to announce the elie night and roman rains match that probably will happen at money in the bank like it's just like why waste your time when you can keep building elie night and roman rains but that's also the kind of the worst part of it because like how are fans supposed to get into the match yeah you already just know because elie like all the other people involved with the title don't even acknowledge that pentad's getting a fricking title match yeah exactly maybe like i said maybe that's one of the things that they acknowledge is like pentad is he is a number one contender for that for that title maybe maybe you do get a little interaction with him in elie night you know elie night saying it doesn't matter you know whether it's you or roman i'm coming for that title or something like that i don't know we'll see we'll see how they do it but i've got to i'm i'm interested to see how this

2:54:27match is going to go to like what it's going to look like you know the two completely different styles of a professional wrestling between pentad and roman so i've got to care to see what what they do hopefully hopefully it's a good match you know and i think and they're going to make it the main event and i'm sure they're going to give them a legitimate time especially if they're asking roman to actually wrestle on you know a wrong yeah it's because that's beneath him right to wrestle on like a uh yeah i that's what i've heard i think it is and i i don't know how long he went with we're going to find out how long roman reigns wit how long you went in this match with uh uh any of these raw matches he has not had a match on an actual show i'm assuming since his Netflix debut and that was a tribal combat match against solace to koa that he went 21 and a half minutes yeah and his last

2:55:29rarish Smackdown match before then was all the way back on December 30th 2022 where john cina and kevin ohens defeated roman reigns and samis aine and that was an 11 minute match and then from there he didn't have a match until since july 25th 2022 where jimmy and roman defeated mat reddle and the street profits oh and jimmy used those a part of it too and jayu so the six man tag match and that was 20 minutes so at the very least of of the three matches this man has had and while he had a yet a yet a universal tunnel match 2022 said man okay so he did some stuff in 2022 but all of those matches he did were also like 17 minutes was that title match against mat riddle and looks like that was most of his 2022 stuff and the other match on raw that was i don't know if that was a dark

2:56:34match so there's no time on that one so that that doesn't count more dark matches so the few matches he's had every match has been over 10 minutes most of them have been over 15 huh so if you're going off of your basic statistics of roman reigns when he finally has an actual match he's going to give you an actual match which is a positive for this yeah so you don't know for two weeks from now they're like you're going in there will you see expectation that roman's actually going to wrestle and roman's not going to shortchange he's actually going to give you a match true um i totally forgot we didn't even i mean we don't have to do predictions for saying that's mean event but what are you looking for what are you looking forward to not sad and sorry sunday nights mean event well it's only so many matches we can easily we don't have to get into each match we can just fucking quick fire or predict yeah um what's the

2:57:35what i'm looking forward to i'm i'm looking forward to actually a lot of the matches open brown breakers a very simple one we didn't get much stuff going on this week about them other than like a Paul Hayman interview yeah which was fine he didn't hype it up yeah hyping it up he didn't choose any sides like i'm i'm looking forward to what they do with that i don't think it goes anywhere i think that's a no contest but yep look forward to that ranting kody's obviously big um i'm i'm curious to how they're going to do this little yaddy situation um like i just it's just it's interesting like i you know i i don't hate little yaddy as a manager i don't hate him and wwe at all so i'm intrigued by it so i'm in that category of i look at this match and it doesn't bother me uh the six woman tag match is the one that i'm kind of just like i just don't want to see it but it has nothing to do with charlotte elexa and tatam it's just you okay be febbing me chin it's just like i you know

2:58:37of all the things this is the way we go but it is what it is yeah so what do you think what are your predictions and i'll follow um follow suit let me see i was thinking uh um i think you're right about the oba febbing brun breaker if oba doesn't win like cleanly it's gonna be like you said a no contest or something but other but also i was saying that might happen with kody roe's and randy orton too they might not even like have a match it might not be a definitive winner between the two there is a article that came out a few weeks ago that i probably of course will not be able to find in my notes but brunson reed was said that he was going to be returning soon and it could happen as early as um sunday night's main event and i think i found it right here is pw in cedar

2:59:38brunson reed i screen shoted this back on august 20th so a couple weeks ago brunson reed is very close to returning from injury there are some within w who believe reed will be back by next month pop possibly as soon as sunday night's main event in elana so to me if this match does not add to no contest dekey that not their deque well some say they're the same but brun breakers gonna win but with the help of brunson reed yeah that's a possibility especially since brun oba feme is really getting the everyone's behind oba feme they're really putting him so high and you want to keep brun breaker up there with him you're not just gonna fucking bury him yeah so like i don't know i'm actually struggling between no contests versus brun breaker winning what it ain't gonna be clean yeah

3:00:42his a real is a real test to see if they really push it in oba that's the other that's how i see it to you already booked his ass into a corner yeah they said you can't win yeah like i said you coming off of a win over brock you coming off of brock telling you that he's the future of the past i mean the crowds on your side you're over his fucking crowd if you had to choose which match should end in some sort of no contest meaning like no deque it ended in a deque or it really is a no contest or count out or just something stupid do you choose the oba brawn breaker match or do you choose randy ordin and kody roads i go randy and kody because they hate each other and i care about rules or anything like that okay you should out of each other did i talk you out of oba winning or do you still think that oba would win i mean he

3:01:45if he doesn't win it's he's gonna lose by deque and they have they get bronc the rate comes back it's gonna be deque finish for him to be definitive loss for openness i'm gonna be a definitive win for brun breaker when this matches solely what the way Paul haven said it was this is a you know see who the future is who's gonna come up short oh whatever so i don't know we'll see what happens maybe maybe we get something where brunson reed does return but he takes both of them out that'd be interesting and then paul hamin sides and brunson reed it says like he's the future neither one of them are the future and that sets off like a three big man that'll elevate you know brun breaker but i'm not sure how that will work with him having the titles and all it's i don't know it'd be cool it'd be cool moment though if they did something like that

3:02:47try to get it i got you a baby face baby face side of of things because you know but i think brun i think brun needs to get out of that uh the vortex of the vision and just make it yeah he did he does yeah they should brunson reed return and then have the vision be brunson reed logon paul and theory and then brun breakers on his own that's how i would do it but we'll see you'll see what happens other than that you have anything else um those you have a winner for the six woman tag match yeah probably um probably team charlexa tape Tatum i'm not sure how you would put on charlexa tape you and charlexa tape yeah i'm gonna go with them winning so like a rough disease yeah no right it does actually um i'm only going

3:03:53by that because you know her being new her getting that went on smackdown i mean it only helps if you know they get another victory oh i don't see this like feud going any further between them like all three of them anyway definitely between charlotte and jade but the three has like a team like a six woman tag i don't see that like happening wheat to wheat or anything probably doesn't want to end i hope so too but you never know and uh do you think uh trick williams will do you think little yadis survive minutes when do you think trillian trick when trick williams does get that match do you think trick williams wins the title i think he does win i think i well i think i should sorry i should say little yadid i think he does survive does it to be some shenanigans happening but for some i think he's just gonna just buy like the the skin of his teeth as they say he's gonna he's gonna survive that match um at the then you think

3:04:53trick is gonna come in and beat baron corbin after that yeah i think so it's been going on for i mean they need to have this at some point i'm with you and and if you elevate trick if you have trick lose and elevate him to the world title scene that's like the worst time when we have the most unpredictability and oh yeah yeah definitely gonna add trick williams to it like it doesn't add up to me yeah you don't want trick williams in this uh main event next right now with all these dudes and get lost in the in that area you want to if he goes for the title it should be you know just a one on one affair mm-hmm i think anyway no i'm right there with you and that right there is your Sunday nights main event card and then yeah dudes opening the show that i forgot his name don't know who he is uh i think it's quavo i think it is from from the megos of the well then i mean they're not they no longer together but yeah i think that's who that is that's due the uh opening

3:05:57supposedly to perform in a that's a performance right i think it said i believe so and most people's reaction was was like good i get to turn into Sunday nights main event ten minutes later yeah for the most part of him i have no idea who he is maybe his stuff's fine i've never been a fan of ww doing like musical guests on shows even like even with like jelly roll was on there who was he i think i live it was fine live but it like when you're watching on tv it's like you need to do that like when it's not on tv like do that for the crowd when it's you know not going who was the who was the do before jelly roll the country guy that they had on like every single pay review do you remember that because his name it's something simple too it's like a one word name like hearty yeah hearty that's who it was yeah that's how i used to have him on all the time

3:06:58every like pay with you or ply they would have him perform in a song opening or in the middle of it i think i just said you're just like uh what i mean that's how it always was i mean them to me at least like because it's just like it's not like a full on concert and like they bring on bands that are just like no offense to them but like it doesn't sound like what it does on the album and yeah like and you gotta make it so like the wrestling fans like it doesn't take away from the show and it's just it's hard like you're putting them in a rough spot and yeah i don't know yeah the only only live performance was i really liked or like the ones that like they with the like the actual band if they do like the theme song they play them out yeah like they play the person out like you know and rea head i forget the name of the band it's gonna bother me then what basically the ones that do their her theme song when they were there live um i was there at bristle madee a 20 line was it yeah 29 when um

3:08:03the living color was there and they played um see em punk out to uh motionless and what weight was featuring artists is a motionless and white that's a that's a band right for yes the demon and your dreams is the name of the uh song but the artist is WWE defrable and motionless in white yeah motionless and why that's a that's a band yeah actually like that song she's like one of the best things i think i don't even know who i think has the best themes i haven't really thought about that who has the best thing she has one of the best ones i think um dan housing i mean this is this is fun i'm not even gonna believe my own shit i love eos too i don't know i like that i mean i don't like it but at the same time it's

3:09:11also you know it's eo and that's all i ask for a theme song it's like you know who the fuck it is so like i'm fine with it like i guess i don't hate it but i'm mostly like i that's not on my spotify playlist yeah like um also like afska's the future so um i'm uh i'm uh i'm uh words with i'm a word on your theme song guy i don't i don't mind like just like an instrumental or like that but i like actually having a song that you can sing along too for a theme song that's my own personal preference when it comes to that stuff so you weren't like a hardcore holly fan now not really not not really okay big show where that's too big that has words on it technically for hurricane uh canes theme song one of the best theme songs ever i i i have that a little literally on my

3:10:15like whatever my the slowest genre that is yeah that actually i that is one of the few actual themes i'm like yep you're added to the playlist i thoroughly enjoy that song i think it's i get um um it lives in breezes and even the band i think some show like that um i told him i'll be able to find that for you i don't and slow chemicals in even the song that's uh yes actually wait no i think it was finger 11 actually no i yeah that yeah the band you said i'm like oh that don't sound right figure 11 yeah that's it a finger 11 yeah they did a lot of different themes yeah did they do rainy ordinance theme or was that another band the voices are the other one the hey the boy the boys and four no no no no wait oh rainy orns is by another they're by another band

3:11:25rev theory another band yeah i was another band that they used often but yeah what do you call it yeah ww reckless intent one of the greatest compilation ever created you get um obviously i walk alone saliva mm-hmm a teaser scene song you have the uh burn in my light that's what i was talking about yep with some people i think uh Tanner with the kickin out pod i think i think i think i got that right somebody within our sphere of friends prefers that theme over the voices song yeah so apologies to him if i got there on by i think somebody somebody over there this fire burns is another one i see him pongs old debuts it from kill switch engage i like that one yeah that's on there i like that i like that one more than is in his curl one to be honest do ww reckless intent tell it yeah one of the greatest compilations all those

3:12:29songs are on there mm-hmm so anyway i think that's it i think we uh think it think we did what we need to do uh actually that's a that's a great segue i think we did i think we did what we what we needed to do and uh you know actually wait hold on i think i see do we have another comment here uh mercy drive is bercy drive is it i thought it was wait a minute are you sure about that i thought it was i thought it was what did i say um um burn in my light was by mercy drive okay i don't remember what you said but that was what uh oh maybe i was thinking i was thinking of canes theme song yeah i'm like i was thinking of i was like i thought that was finger 11 but no he's talking that so entirely different song

3:13:30um um that's a hey nothing you could say actually maybe maybe think of the reals where it's like hey that is what it is or whatever wait mom stupid thing is there and then obviously betta lingus from halter bridge um be a anyway jimmy wing yang's i got to for got to throw the jimmy wing yang jimmy wing yang uh i hate that he didn't like it steam i i liked his steam i thought it was good you knew it was him oh yeah of course jimmy wing yang that's hilarious yes i think i think we i think we needed to i think we did what we needed to do we'll ah we'll talk to you all next week later

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