RapidFire Radio Ep. 301

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2:15Any weapon of expedience, they will come to your aid. The higher a lawyer, you won't be having your bank account depleted and huge, insufferable lawyer bills. So go to the UScca.co-border-rappet-fire. This is episode 301 on September 10th, 2026. And it's the one year anniversary of the passing of Charlie Kirk. Oh wow. And I was one year ago today about this time. I was in the green room for the Colonel Rob Maneshow. And I was on hold getting ready to go on the show when the producer came on and said, it might be a minute or two before we come to you because we just found out Charlie Kirk has been shot. And it was just devastating. My phone was blowing up. I was on hold. I looked at the images and I knew it wasn't looking good for Charlie.

3:17But it was a terrible, terrible day. And Colonel Rob Manes was very good friends with Charlie Kirk knew him since he was a kid. I spoke to him in June when we saw him down at the second amendment institute event down in DC. And we kind of talked about how that was the day. And he had forgot that. And he said, oh, yeah, that's right. Now that you mentioned it, that was such a terrible time. And he had to go back on and finish the show at the end there. It was terrible. But today is the anniversary. And I hope that the work that he put in motion will continue to live on through his name and through his organization. And through his friends and family. There's no replacing Charlie Kirk for sure. He was a one of a kind. I was couple of other individuals and kind of events around the state tonight and there's already a bunch of knuckleheads making noise that they're going to come protest. It's like, what in the world is wrong with this country? But anyway, I just wanted to mention that, you know, our hearts go out to the family.

4:24And our thoughts and prayers are with them today on this one year anniversary. So, you know, if you're able to attend one of the visuals or one of the events, and let the world know that you cared about Charlie and that we're all going to do our part to kind of make the world a better place in his memory and his name. I'm joined here in studio with Carianne O'Clair, who is a member of the Civil Rights Coalition. She's representing with the shirt and she has been with us since the very beginning. Were you one of the original 10 signatures? Yeah, so one of the original 10 signatures to get this petition going. Carianne has been there from day one and weekend, week out through all the calls, through all the meetings, through all the planning, through all the emails, through all the social media posts. She's right there behind the scenes and she's also a state rep for the women for gun rights. State director, women for gun rights. Tell everyone who you are, Carianne, and what you do and why you do it and why you're here on Rappend Park.

5:32That's funny because someone said to me the other day, they said, why do you do this? Why not? If someone's going to do it, right? I'm Carianne O'Clair, I'm the state director for Women for Gun Rights. I'm also on the board for our Women of America and heavily involved with the Civil Rights Coalition. I've been part of this journey from the very beginning, part of the listening tours, even. Remember the listening tours? Actually, you went to many more of the listening tours than I did. I only made it to one, the one that I was a speaker at because of my crazy schedule. I think you made it to 9 out of the 11. 9 out of 11 and we had a sieve teal. That's our color for women for gun rights. We had a bunch of ladies that came. We traveled six hours away at one time, three hours there, three hours back, but we were determined. It was our first time to actually go into the room with the opposition, the mom's demand action. I call them mom's demand attention, but we won't go there.

6:35But it was eye opening. It really truly was an eye opener for me and for all of us because we never met them. I don't think they knew who we were. It was good to be in the room and it was interesting to hear their perspective on things, which was completely off the record, off the rails. But at least we were able to be a voice. And some people were paying attention. Yeah. So maybe we made a difference somehow, who knows? Well, it's funny you mentioned being in the room like today I had a debate with Ruth Zacharym from Yes for a Safe and A. We recorded that today up at WBZ in Boston. And so that'll air this Sunday at 8.30 a.m. on Calerat large on WBZ in Boston. So make sure you tune in for that. But being in the room is important. Being there to be a voice of reason.

7:40And I think that the debate went well. I think there's another one this Monday night, which we'll get into why I won't be able to attend it live. But this Monday night there's another debate I think around 7 p.m. and that's like the Columbia, Savin Hill club or something like that. So, and then I'm doing two in October. And I think there'll be a whole series of these. Well, you never know. But I think getting our message out to the voters is important. Getting our message out to the people of Massachusetts is important. Because so far, and over the past 40 or 50 years, the anti-Gone groups have been able to dictate their message without real counter arguments. Because there was no social media for so long. So the mass media and propaganda and newspapers and politicians even would tow that line.

8:45And unfortunately, there was very little voice of opposition until this modern media of radio podcasts and social media. So I'm glad to be doing our part for that. But just if we think about what's happened in the past few weeks, I mean things are moving at an incredible clip. Last two, fast. Yeah. I think we had about 60 or 80 different amicus briefs filed in the Vera Montes V Cook County and the Grant V Higgins case at the Supreme Court, which read through those. It's incredible. There's politicians, there's sheriffs organizations, there's academics, there's all kinds of states and attorney generals. I think 27 or 29 states filed an amicus brief in favor of the plaintiffs in this case or the petitioner. So there's a lot going on there or a lot of arguments have been set for December 2nd in that case. Then last Friday was the reporting deadline for the ballot committees in Massachusetts.

9:59So we have the Civil Rights Commission Coalition is a ballot committee. So we saw on OCPF, the Office of Campaign Finance in Massachusetts got all the reports in. And when they when you look at it, something that is shocking to me is that unions in Massachusetts, whether it be the service member union, the nurses union, SEIU and the Mass Teachers Association have donated nearly three quarters of a million dollars to the Yes for a safe, a half a million dollars alone from the Mass Teachers. And that really should bring into focus how the public education system in Massachusetts is because if they are willing to donate a half a million dollars to undermine our constitutional rights, think about what they're teaching our children.

11:00That's that's that's very scary. And I have two kids in high school, you two, right? I have one left and I have one last year this year. Yeah, and the stuff that they tell me sometimes I shake my head because I just don't understand it. I really don't. So why is it the Mass Teachers Association is so committed to undermining our constitutional rights? I think that is very telling. So that's happened. Then yesterday we carried it live here on Rapid Fire Special Edition. We had a first circuit Court of Appeals oral argument in the Grenada V Campbell case, which has been going on since it was Grenada V Healy. Yes, it's been a while since he was attorney general. Originally was dismissed because the first circuit had already heard similar challenges and they dismissed it in light of those cases, but they ended up re-appealing because of Bruin.

12:07Bruin is paying dividends. Yesterday the lawyers for Cooper and Kirk who are representing Stefano Grenada, the gun runner, Prosperi and my missing FPC spoke at the first circuit Court of Appeals and submitted their oral arguments. What I found extremely frustrating was the, and this happens in every court case, but he wasn't through his second sentence when the three judge panel started to throw darts saying basically you can't win on the argument you're making, but even if we granted, how does that help you blah blah blah blah. And I played it all live and it was just so, it was so disheartening to hear that, but I think overall it went okay, but the star of the show was Barry Arrington who is the second amendment section chief for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

13:19He spoke masterfully, he brought it back on to the rails and said, you know, this is why this is violating the second amendment. I'd love to play that cut if we get it max. And let me just see here if that's going to be possible. No? Yeah, a couple more minutes. All right. So we'll play that cut in a few minutes. I'd love to get your reaction to it. Carry in. Did you get to hear him? I heard pieces of it. Okay. I was. It's only a few minutes, but so we'll come back to that. We'll stick a pin in that. But one thing I was and that's a little inside joke. But one thing I want to bring up going back to the OCPF is one thing that is amazing.

14:21Is if you look at the contributions of yes for a safe M.A. There are 230 contributions. Sounds like a lot, right? And it is a lot when you see some are given $5,000 in $15,000 twice the local 509 service union. And then you got the what do you call it teachers unions? You got this guy Travis Nigel 25 grand. And he's not even employed. But anyway, that's another whole story for another day. I want to show you the contrast. Whoops. Just went off that. And I know they can't see this on screen. I could share it. But I think it'll be okay to just talk about it. Let's do this. The civil rights coalition. Oops. Having trouble with technology here. All right. So the civil rights coalition. And when you go to contributions, you'll see 2768 donations.

15:43Yes, for a safe M.A. had 230. Most of them special interest groups. Most of them unions and people who are involved in the organizational aspect of this Brady, every town, what not. Here we have 2768 donations, most of which are individual grassroots people like me and you donating 200 bucks, 300 bucks, 100 bucks, 50 bucks. So we are on the right side of history. We are on the right side of the Constitution. And we are on the right side of we the people. And I tell you that is something to be proud of. That is something to be incredibly incredibly proud. And ironically, when you look at our donors, they're either retired or they're self-employed or they're still employed. And when you look at the other group, most of them are not employed.

16:56Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. Not employed. And a lot of the big donors. How is there that many people sitting at home doing nothing with that kind of money that they can donate to a roadier constitutional rights? I should think. Make sure question. Yeah. And one of them, I, you know, so I looked into a couple of them and I'm like, oh, this one, Janet Goldenberg, $5,000. Just Googled her. There she is on LinkedIn. And son of a gun. She's the president of the mass coalition to prevent gun violence. So I'm like, okay. So she says she's not employed. But in reality, she's the president of the mass coalition to prevent gun violence. She's employed. And maybe it's a volunteer position. I don't know. But even if she it is, why would you not put that down?

17:56So I find it interesting that you said earlier that you were in the room having this conversation, having this debate. And I think that if we do this more and more and other people get more involved, maybe people will hopefully finally understand the truth and not listen to the lies of our oppositions. Because I think that's the problem too, right? They're uneducated and they don't really understand the full truth of what the second amendment is really, really about. So I think that's really cool that you have that debate. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm thrilled that it happened myself. Again, there'll be another one on Monday. I know there's one in October at UMass Amherst. There's one in... Hey, Rob Boodries on. He says October 2nd is the deadline to have non-serial numbered post 1968 guns obtained a number from the DPRM.

18:59In October 28th is the registration deadline. The portal does not allow you to list guns. The state will sell you a list of what you have on file for $20. But it only includes serial numbers. It's going to take a lot of time in inventory. My ordinance locker to match it up to the state list. That's... If you were inclined to do so, that's all I can say. Keep up the fight. That's right. That's what we're going to do, Brian. And I tell you one thing, I got a call yesterday from a concerned citizen who doesn't like his information on the web, doesn't want to register anything, doesn't want to be on the portal, doesn't want... And he's up for renewal for his machine gun license. He's got many machine guns legally owned and not... And he said, I went down to my local PD to apply, had the form all filled out, had the check for $100 and ready to apply. And they said, oh no, now everything's done on the portal. And he said, no, but I don't want to do the portal because you have to consent to 8 or 9.

20:07And then the third party groups that will have access to all of your information, where you live, what you own, what the serial number is, what the barrel length is, what the caliber is, where you live and all that. And we're talking... Sounds like a security group. Google, we're talking Microsoft, we're talking... What's that texting group that we use, Twilio, there's like 8 or 9 different groups that you will now have access. And it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when that stuff gets breached. We just saw a massive data breach at the ETF. But anyway, let's do this. We've talked about a bunch of stuff, monologue, but I want to hear from you about what's happening this weekend in Washington, DC. Oh, so excited. All right, so let's see, we're flying out Saturday. So every year the women from gun rights, we go to DC and we meet with our congressmen and senators and we all go into the room together.

21:15So it's really great because women for gun rights, there's a bunch of different state directors from all over the place. So we get together, I have... I'm actually in charge of a small group and so there's some ladies from Connecticut, Maine. I forgot the other states now, but we all get together and we all go to each other's meetings. So it's really an awesome thing to support each other and we all wear teal. So it's a really great opportunity to have our voices heard. And yeah, so that's part of it. There's a huge summit. So they're changing things up this year. So now they're inviting other people from the outside in to come and join us as well. So we got a gala on Saturday night, then we got a summit on the weekend. A rally on Sunday. We're going to the White House on the side of the White House briefing. And then there's a congressional meet and greet at the end of the day. So it's super exciting.

22:15I'm very excited to be in charge of another group as well this year. I've been doing this for almost six years now. And for a year, it just recharges our batteries and reminds us how important it is to really come home to our own states and try to do what we need to do. So we get the job done. And so the agenda is Saturday night, we have the gala. Yep. Sunday is the rally. The rally on Capitol Hill, right? Oh, and then the Union Station. I'm going to sing the National Anthem. We're going to do a flash mob at the. Flash mob. Flash mob at the. Yes, thank you. Buck, keep reposting the stream. Thank you. Yeah, we're going to do a flash mob at the Union Station. She's going to start singing the National Anthem and all the women will come out of the woodwork. So to speak, that'll be awesome. Oh, training too. We've got some training and stuff. Yeah, so Sunday is kind of the training day, right?

23:16Yeah, Sunday morning, I think, then the rally in the afternoon. Right. And I think I'm speaking at the rally. Yes. And then Monday, everyone kind of breaks off into groups and goes to the Capitol and meets with them. So Monday morning is the White House briefing in the morning. Right. And then in the afternoon, we go and have lunch. We get to do a few things in between and then in the afternoon is the meet and greet. Meet and greet. Yeah. I'm really excited that some friends of mine are going and they are not second amendment advocates. They are waiting until you meet my friends. Oh, yes. They heard we were going and they were like, we want to go. And it's a mother and daughter and they are so excited. And the funniest part is the mother has never fired a fire. Oh. And she doesn't want to. And that's okay. Well, maybe we can talk and we can go. Yeah.

24:16No. But she has bought her husband a membership, bought him a gun. That's so funny. She's done parties at our place and paid for everybody to come shoot. The company that they own, they've brought their employees here and shot and everything. She's like, I just have no desire to press the trigger. And I say, okay, that's great. But she doesn't, she respects our right to do so. Yeah. But I think that's pretty cool because I think this year's I'm really excited about it because we're, you know, there's people from the outside coming in. It's not just state directors. So it's, it's really a great opportunity to see how hard we work. And I can tell you by the end of the trip, we're all super exhausted because it's a lot of work. And you gather together and everything else. But I'll tell you, it's like a family reunion. And I always, I always get so excited and I get so revved up. And I'm like, all right, we got this. We're going to come home and we're going to what vote no one knows. And we're going to win this. So, yeah. So it does give an opportunity for people to see and hear what we're doing.

25:19So. I'm excited. Yeah. Box site. Give her a 22-ish-hull change or mine. I've tried several times. But maybe she just needs a lady next to her. No, we've done it all. My wife has tried to be there, whether she's just like, nope, you're not going to convince me. And it's cool. Like it's, it's almost like the old saying don't want one, don't have one or don't like it, don't have one, right? That's the way it should apply to guns. I mean, the funny thing is she's all on board with the right for everybody else, you know, and pays money for people to come shoot at my place. But I'm really excited about Saturday night at the gala just at our table alone. We have me, you, my wife, John Moenny, this mother daughter couple, these mother daughter. We have Amy Kernavali. Kendall. Can she come? Yeah, Kendall, Kaepnick from Pioneer Valley Arms. We have a Tyler.

26:19Tyler. Tyler. Say it's last name. Tyler A from the second amendment institute. I know, I put you this last name. We have Dick Heller sitting at our table. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Dick Heller from the Heller case. I mean, the gun dude, we have who am I missing? No, I think he got everybody. Okay. Like almost like it's awesome because we got a table. 90% of them is, you know, from Massachusetts, right? And then the other, we get some, you know, who doesn't want to have Dick Heller at our table? Right. Right? And Tyler, I mean, that's awesome. Yeah, so that'll be fun. And then who's the speaker's Saturday night? Dad, I don't know yet. Oh, we don't know. No, I don't have a full list. Do you know anyone? No. No. No, I don't even have a list. It's, it's, you told me you'd have to kill me. It's that one we talked about. It might be. Yeah, all right.

27:19So we're going to leave that out. And, uh, but, uh, in Sunday, we got the whole event there, you know, like we talked about Monday, Flash mob and break off and go to Capitol Hill and meet with your senators and your. That's true thing. Yeah. What's Monday then? Monday is the, um, White House briefing in the morning. Yeah. And then in the afternoon, there's some fun things we're doing. And then at the, at night, we're doing a meet and group. A meeting group. I don't know what it's called now, but it's a meet and group. Okay. And the afternoon and then congressional delegation. Yeah, that's it. Yep. And then Tuesday, you go to Capitol Hill and meet with your congressional delegation. Yes. In their offices. Yep. And, uh, so thanks, Dr. X. Great to see you the other night. We had a great show. Um, if you guys aren't following Dr. X, you are missing out. Followed buck two. And, uh, you guys, he does a lot of spaces on accident on his show several times.

28:22And, uh, always, always fun and exciting. So check it out. Um, so in between all of what we've already talked about. Yeah, then Wednesday, we have some more fun. Wednesday, we have another event at the Second Amendment Institute. And I am speaking at that one. Oh, good. Yeah. And then, um, I'll be speaking on Sunday. And then Thursday, we have some things going on in the morning, right? No, Thursday, nothing, and wheels up and head and home. But Wednesday, we have meetings. Yes. Wednesday, we have meetings. And Tuesday night, we have a White House tour. I'm excited about that. We're going to the West Wing and all that good stuff. So that'll be fun. And then, uh, As many times as I've been to the DC, I've never been to the White House. Well, that's about to change. And I think we have an interesting thing on Monday night at the,

29:27there's like these, I don't even know what they are. They're like catacombs or something under the blanket memorial. Oh, yes, they just open that. That's like brand new. I had no idea that it was even there. So yes, that's the Lincoln Memorial. Or, yeah, I think it's underneath it. Yeah, that'll be cool. I have no idea what to expect about that. I saw a little video on it. It looks pretty cool. Yeah. And last time we were in DC, we got to meet with Barry Arrington from the DOJ. That was great. We had a great meeting with him. Basically putting a spotlight on the issues in the, issues in Massachusetts. And I've been reaffirmed since then that they are looking at what's going on in Massachusetts. And that's as evidenced by the DOJ being present at the first circuit court of appeals yesterday to testify on behalf of the plaintiffs. So that was huge. And so DC is aware of what is going on in the Commonwealth and the restrictions on the second amendment.

30:28And hopefully they will continue to put the pressure where the pressures do. And I think that'll be great tomorrow. So it's, you know, we work some hard in our own state. But when we get the opportunity to get out of our own state and showcase what's going on here in this state, it really is super important. Yeah. Because if whatever happens here is going to trickle to the next state and the next state and the next state. But historically, if we, which we are going to win this vote 9, that is going to be historic. That's going to be, we're going to be in the talk of the town. Funny you should say that because guess what came out. I'm going to give you a little preview of Sunday's show on Keller at Large on WBZ. One of the things that Ruth Sikarian said is the chapter, I always butcher her name, sorry, Ruth Zacharine said was the chapter 135 is the example to the rest of the country.

31:44This has major implications. They don't want it to go away because they know how important it is for their cause and their agenda. If it fails in the first state that they've put it into, then guess what? It's never going to work in any other state. And so that's another reason why it's so important to vote 9 this November 3rd is to really show that we the people are the true fountain of power. And we reject your unconstitutional restrictions on legal firearm ownership. And we ask that the state use their valuable prosecutorial resources to direct at bad guys who do bad things with guns and career criminals and habitual offenders and those who are causing mayhem on the street. And I was able to kind of get a couple names and I mentioned Kyle Kalato who did 120 days behind bars for a technical violation.

32:50And didn't even break the law because he moved here with guns. He legally and lawfully owned it. And the state says you have 60 days to apply. And she kept trying to say like, oh, there's nothing. If you want to own a gun, there is a pathway to do that. And I'm like, so what? You're treating it as a privilege, not a right. So anyway, it's the circle. Let's see. Toby will finally get some national attention on the concept. It's funny because people are saying that 135, you know, the opposition is to create safer communities. And I don't know about you, but every time I go online, there's always something or someone getting shot, but it's always by someone that illegally has a gun. And that has been let back out in the street again over and over and over and over. Right. So I just don't understand because more healing is lying.

33:51Well, it's funny you say that because if you go to the Yes for a SafeMA website or their Facebook page, guess what you're going to see? Right in the name. Yes for a SafeMA. Then gun safety legislation. Safety for all. Safe to save that. Safe. And I predicted it right at the beginning of our debate today. I said to John Keller. I said, you're going to hear the opposition talk a lot about safety. But this is really an abrogation of what safety means. It is not what it means in reality. And I challenge anyone. No one has ever been able to explain to me how restricting the rights of good people makes us safer. How does it change the heart and the intention of a bad guy with a gun? How does it affect them in the least? They kept coming back to ghost gun regulations and red flag laws and all this stuff.

34:52I said, you can put every law restriction, guardrail, whatever the euphemism you want to use to on the lawful, peaceful citizen. How is it making us safer? How is it changing the heart of the bad guy? How is it making us safer? And they can't answer that question. Nobody can. Yeah, I agree. Chapter 135 does nothing to dissuade criminals. In fact, I was able to get that out too. And I don't want to completely give you the full-on preview of what happened today. You'll see it Sunday morning on WBZ at 8.30. And by the way, only the first 10 minutes are going to be aired. The rest of the discussion you'll have to go to his website to hear it. Anyway, that was one of the points I was able to make. In showcase, the true failure of Chapter 135 was when Tyler Brown, an armed career criminal, who had been out of jail after a three and a half year sentence because the mass patrol board released him a year and a half early from his five year sentence.

35:59Even though the judge, judge Sanders in this case was supposed to sentence him for 40 years based on prior felony convictions under the Armed Career Criminal Act. So he should have been up for a 40 year mandatory minimum sentence. He gets out, well, he gets sentenced to five years, even though disgraced Rachel Rollins is seeking 12 to 15 years. And they give him five. And he gets out after three and a half years. He relapses on drugs and says, I'm not going back to jail. You'll now know me by my mass shooter name. And he goes and shoots up Cambridge, walking down Memorial Boulevard, Memorial Drive in Cambridge with a gun that would probably be impossible for a lawful, peaceful citizen to purchase here in Massachusetts. No license, of course. Felon in possession, armed ammunition and shooting within 500 feet, all the stuff that they say chapter 135 makes us safer.

37:01And it doesn't. That was the perfect example of how it does. And wasn't it a good guy with a gun that insisted? Yes. Before the cops came. Right. So a law abiding gun owner. Exactly. And I did mention that too. I said in fact this law makes us less safe because the good guy with a gun had to go into the back seat, get his gun out of a locked container. It was limited to 10 rounds when this guy who's shooting up Memorial Drive isn't limited to 10 rounds because he doesn't care what law you pass. Right. And yes, Tamara, your son paid the ultimate price for these stupid laws in DC. Aim into that. That is 100% true. And yes, not only was he a Marine, but frankly he was a armed citizen. I don't want that to be lost. You know, because the media would love to showcase that it was a Marine and he was trained and he was, you know, government issued blah, blah.

38:01He was a retired Marine, yes. But we don't know if he was a desk jockey. Right. Exactly. Helicopter mechanic, a fuel transfer technician, you know, we don't know what his MOS was in the Marine Corps. Maybe he was a combat veteran. I don't know. But the point I would like to make is at the very least he was an armed citizen who was willing to jump in. And put himself in harm's way. He saved lives that day. I guarantee you he saved lives. The woman he got out of the car said there's no question he saved my life. Yeah, I saw her. She was, she was really shaken up and she was so, so thankful. She's like, if it wasn't for that guy, I don't think I'd be here. Yeah. So I mean, so, you know, again, they're trying to take all the guns away. But I guarantee that even if they did strip us up everything, the bad guys are going to get the guns no matter what. All right. Max has gone and got us the oral argument from yesterday's.

39:03I don't know how I can make this so you can hear it. If we do it on the speaker, will it pick up my mic? Probably a little sound echoey. Let's try it. See how the audio is. If you want me to mute my mic, oh, we can't, can we? We can mute the mic if it turns out to be bad. But let's listen to this. This is Barry Arrington, the section chief of the DOJ in Boston yesterday at the first circuit court of appeals. And happy he was here. So let's do it. My name is Barry Arrington. I'm the chief of the second amendment section of the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice. And we're here today in support of our talents. Why is Bruin violated because the plaintiffs and federal clients can by permitting private dealer? By the way, I'm going to pause it there for a sec.

40:05He basically got his name out before he was interrupted. Oh, that was one of the first circuit court judges. As soon as he gets it out of his mouth, what he does, bam, they ask him a question. So whatever prepared statement he had right out the window. I don't know if we have a long way to go. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. We'll leave it alone. So there's no answer to say that because you can buy long guns, you can ban short handguns. And so basically the constitutional principle there is that just because Massachusetts has not violated the Constitution as much as they could have, doesn't mean that the amount of the violation that they did do is thereby excuse.

41:05So your view, they would have the right to buy it from any dealer. It's available from XYZ, but they want to buy it from A. They have a right to buy it. I'd read the second amendment, doesn't say you have to write to purchase from wherever you want. They can get these weapons tomorrow. They just want to get them from this private dealer. I'm going to pause it right there. Total BS that they can buy them tomorrow. They make it sound like there's this... Open door. ...a czar or this market place. You can go to the flea market and just go gun shop. You just can't go to the gun store, but you can go down to the yard sale. You can go yard sale and end up with the guns that you can't buy in mass in mass from people other than gun dealers. What the heck are they talking about? And then their inferences that you can just go to another state and buy them.

42:05Are you recommending people break federal law? Because you can't go to New Hampshire and buy a handgun. And they're certainly not going to sell you an AR-15. They don't know law. Right, it does go to show you. So let's move on. Oh, how are they going to get handguns? So let's talk about your... Step back and analyze your questions from a... ...all Teller-Brewen approach in terms of the two-step approach. Does it apply to the people? Yes. Does it regulate... does it affect an arm? Yes. Does it restrict the caring and bearing of an arm? Yes. All three of those questions are answered. Yes. Therefore, this law is presumptively unconstitutional. That's all that the plaintiffs in this case have to prove. It is presumptively unconstitutional and the state gets to come in and attempt to demonstrate... how their regulation is consistent with the tradition of firearm regulations in this country. And is a ban on the commercial sale of the most popular firearms in the country...

43:11consistent with the regulation of firearms in this country? It's preposterous, so you can suggest that it was. It doesn't matter where you're talking about the 18th century or the 19th century. If you had gone to the founders, if you had gone to the generations after the founders and said, hey, can we pass a law that bans the sale of the commercial sale of co-peace makers? They would have looked like that. You're crazy. Well, you could still get them in the secondary market. There is... they would have said there is a constitutional right to acquire these arms and the way that they're acquired generally is through commercial sale. Now, there's only a limited number of ways to acquire an arm and over... They would have said, what? How do you know that? Because...

44:11They're getting desperate. But the regulation of the sale of hand... of any arm... Let me put it a different way. I didn't think that was the inquiry that we just hypothesized what Madison would have said. I thought we were supposed to go through rigorously and identify historical analog that either establish a tradition of firearms regulation that is relevantly similar or not. And of course, that's exactly what... So there is a historical tradition that's been put forward. It either is relevantly similar or not. I haven't heard you engage with it once yet. And so that is exactly what Massachusetts is required to prove. Right. That there is a... ...over there evidence, which the District Court accepted, and you are now on appeal. So what is wrong with the historical evidence they showed that supports that tradition? Because the level of generality that we're talking about and the regulations that would have been...

45:12...is that there is simply none. That's what Heller said. This regulation is a historical outlier just like the regulation at issue and hell. So is the argument that you're making now because I noticed a minute or so ago you said a ban on the most popular arm used would never have been constitutional? Are you...is it your position that this is equivalent to a ban on the most popular arm used? It is an equivalent to a...it's not an outright ban on the possession of the most popular arm used. One step, you can't get that arm in Massachusetts, but the way most people get arms and not only is an out and historical outlier, it is an outlier even today in terms of regulation around the country. But I'm just trying to understand what do you mean by a ban just specifically? A ban on these...is it your position of these particular guns that the plaintiffs say they want to buy are the most popular handguns in the country?

46:12What exactly is your factual argument when you're using the phrase the most popular gun? The block handgun is the...by far the most popular handgun in the country. And the...the effect of this roster is to ban unless...unless it's grandfathered all guns that have come into the market without these indicators since the law came in the place. This...you're saying this particular model of block that they want to buy is the most popular. This is another example of how little they actually know of what goes on in Massachusetts. Listen to her...she's so confused about block as a brand and model in your normal. I'm not popular handgun sold in the United States. Block is a category. But I thought it was a particular model. Can you tell me if I'm a correct? Can...can...can a state come in and say well this particular gun is not in common use or this particular gun is not in common use?

47:19Handguns or as a category are in common use. That's what heller said. I understand your...I'm just trying to understand factually whether you're saying handguns in general it doesn't matter what it is. The category is the most common use or whether you're arguing that this particular model in this case isn't as a matter of fact the most common handgun use. I'm not arguing with that. I just wanted to understand. Categorically handguns are in common use cannot be banned and by extension the commercial sale the most...the way most people get them in the country cannot be banned. Thank you. Very good. Yeah, so...you know it's... I don't know my hopes very high. I think we're going to lose this two to one. And I think the first circuit court of appeals is by far the worst court in the country when it comes to constitutional rights, when it comes to civil rights, when it comes to two A rights.

48:22And they are unapologetically a means-based testing or a means to an end or a tears of scrutiny, whatever you want to call it, the government interest balancing type of approach to our rights. They say, hey, if it's in government's best interest to regulate this right, we have no problem doing it and not holding it. In the Geno Recki of the Andrea Campbell case that got dismissed a few weeks ago, they referenced their prior presidential decisions from the first circuit 22 times. And they only mentioned Supreme Court cases half a dozen or so. And they did say, well, we know that the Supreme Court has taken up their amounties and grants, so this might be resolved at the Supreme Court, but in the meantime our precedent stands. It's got to be so frustrating to go in there and talk to people that are so ignorant about firearms.

49:27It's like talking to a two-year-old and trying to explain your case. Yeah. It just blows my mind. It is, it's crazy. You know what? I don't even fault them for being uneducated if they're not gun people who gives a rip, right? The truth of the matter is they should look at it through a lens of strict scrutiny and say, you know what? This is a constitutionally enumerated right. It is the bedrock and foundation of our nation. And if they want to extrapolate the... If they want to regulate that right, then they should acknowledge that the burden has shifted to government. And it has to be presumptively unconstitutional. And if the government wants to regulate the arms-bearing activity, they have to show that there is a pattern or a historical tradition or analog of a law that is relevantly similar to the regulation that you are trying to uphold today.

50:41So in other words, they can't take the law from the 1790s banning the stockpiling of black powder in the wood frame homes of Boston and say, see, because you couldn't have a powder keg in your house of extremely volatile black powder that could burn the entire city down if it was to catch fire. Therefore, you can't have an AR-15. Like, that's not a relevantly similar analog. So anyway, yeah, no doubt about it Bill. He says, register your guns, sounds more like some commie Nazi crap to me. And there's no doubt about it that the regime in place here in Massachusetts, under Mori Hilly's leadership, is following in the footsteps of the Nazis and the Jews in 32 had to go register. And register their guns. And we all know what happened as a result of that. So I think it's time to change the laws that protect judges from prosecution.

51:46Man, it's like, I would love that, but now you have another whole board or body of judges that prosecute the judges. How do you do that? Like, I hear you. And there are laws on the books that would technically prosecute judges and DAs or any official. Title 18 section 242 says, any official who under the color of law violates someone's constitutional rights can and will be subject to a fine jail or up to and including the death penalty if it leads to somebody's death. That's some heavy heavy stuff. But to, you know, get the DOJ or to get a federal prosecutor or even a state prosecutor to prosecute the foxes watching the hen house, I haven't seen it. And I would love to see it.

52:47So we got some heavy things going on in the 18s. Should we talk about that? Sure. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. What do we have going on in the 18th? We have a huge event from the civil rights coalition. And we have pink is this coming right? Yeah. Rob pink is this coming and Mark Smith. I love Mark Smith. I love listening to him because if you don't really understand like the law and understand all this stuff, he makes it. So you, he breaks it down so you can understand it. And really he's so knowledgeable. Absolutely amazing, amazing guy. So he's coming and speaking and we're having a live auction online. So we have a lot of amazing guns like I'm drooling because I'm I'm actually putting in the program together. I'm like, oh, I want this one. I want this one. So that's already online. And then we're going to have other firearms that not they're not online, but they will be able to be auctioned off at the event only. So get part of your prostate.

53:49Sorry. Get your tickets today because there are some more firearms that you can potentially take on not the night. Let's see what else. Oh, we got a very special VIP from five to five 45. We have sponsor tables as well. So if you want to sponsor table and actually get a front row seat, you can do that too. We have individual seats. And we have all sorts of stuff. So if you go to the civil rights coalition website is it dot org or dot no, it's dot org. Great. The civil rights coalition dot org. I did. I did. I was good. Oh, wait a little wait. All right. So I was telling the song. I'm like, I don't remember the song. Now I remember the song.

54:51That's my anthem right there. That's the name of the event. Send lawyers guns and money September 18 to get us out of this jam. A lot of work to do. So we got we got banners. We got ads. We get things that we got to do and all cost money. So, you know, and if a lot of people I've, you know, down my neck of the woods, they're like, oh, I can't go. It's an hour and a half away. It's two hours away. Make a night of it. You know, there's a hotel's around the area. You know, go and find a room. Make a night out of it because it's all about networking and getting together and really revving each other up and answering questions that we may have or that you may have because really ultimately. The goal is to convince or I don't want to say convince us the wrong word is to help people understand that this isn't about guns. This is about our civil rights issue. This is about our second amendment. This is about all the amendments because I don't know about you, but I don't want any of them being taken away from me.

55:55None. And so it's trying to convince the soccer mom trying to try to convince anybody to at least understand our standpoint and understand that it is a civil rights issue and we need to protect all civil rights. And I know I've, you know, this isn't about, you know, I don't have a gun. I don't care. This is about I believe in our freedoms and we need to protect those freedoms. And this is a way to do it. Amen to that. This isn't about guns and, you know, second amendment, although it is, but really it's about and I brought this up on Keller at large today that does the legislature have the privilege to encumber, attach or lean our constitutional rights or foundational fundamental rights. And if they do when it comes to the second amendment, then guess what? They do when it comes to the first amendment, the fourth amendment, the fifth amendment, the sixth amendment, the seventh amendment, all of them.

57:01Right. Now it just takes a simple majority in the legislature and a governor's signature to wipe it away. And if you want to support the civil rights coalition in mass, so it stops being called mascana stands, that's right. There's a lot of stand companies, countries out there that probably have more rights when it comes to firearms than we do. A lot of liberals go nuts when hunting season is upon us. And yeah, all of our taxes go to pay for that land, you're right, Tamara. I still find, you know what I find absolutely amazing though, I still have this conversation with people and they don't understand even what chapter 135 is.

58:04They still don't understand that law passed. And now I got a lot of people saying, what's going on with nine? What's that about? So it's, I think people are starting to wake up, don't you feel as though is it starting to wake up? They're starting to realize what's going on. But I think we have a lot of work to do. And look at the ticker at the website. If you go to these civil rights coalition.com, I put the link in the chat. The online auction is now available. If you click that banner, you'll go to the high bid auction page. There's that 1854 and model 29 from Smith and Wesson. That's on there. You can bid on that. It's up to $2,600 or 2550. I should say there's a couple of highly engraved colds, beautiful King Cobra and Smith and Wesson model 686 Deluxe.

59:05We got some Winchester model 94s lever actions. We got a T-SOS, US Army commemorative. We got the NRA, Taurus deputy. This is actually in 45 long cold. That's an error there on that. We have the Ruger Wrangler in 22 mag. We have a, and this is in all the guns, by the way. So if you come on here and go, there's only 17 guns. That's not true. There's a Ruger American in 308. That's the 250th anniversary commemorative edition. There's my gun. You can bid on my gun. My prized, most prized possession, the Nighthog GRP. What's up? Oh yeah, there's up to 2950. 30 bids. It's not 45. It's actually 9 mil. So we have some editing to do. Switched tab. Switched tab. Sorry. Thank you. So there it is. The Nighthog GRP. And I should have checked that. I don't know what I did wrong, but anyway.

1:00:14Yeah, there's a lot and I sweet. Sweet. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And then going back. Let's see. We have this Kimber folds of honor. That's beautiful. Beautiful made by custom and collectible firearms. It's a Kimber that got engraved in all the commemorative the grips and everything on there. It's pretty cool. There's multiple pictures now. A lot of people don't want to see. So Smith and Western donated Henry. Smith and Western Henry. Ruger. Cam 4 plus a bunch of gun dealers like Pioneer Valley Arms, Mass Hole, Liberty Ordnance, Cape Gunworks, Shashine. And a few other individuals I think. Yeah. And this is a private individual that donated this. I sold them this gun new. He never fired it. And it's a Falcord Defense Omega 65 Creedmore with a carbon fiber barrel and a beautiful five to 25 scope on it. That gun is amazing.

1:01:27And by the way, if you want a really long range, that right there's like a $7,000 package. So pretty cool. Yeah. So don't miss out. Yeah. And you don't want to miss out. And buy a ticket though, really honestly. Right. Because the whole point of that is just for all of that. That's what that I want. That's a Cape Gunworks donation. And that's the actual scope. That yellow shirt. That is the actual scope. So if you want a piece of history. Well, we cleaned it for ourselves. Well, it wasn't in his pants. It was in a tactical scabbard. He didn't try to keystre this. I would have had more respect for him if he did. But yeah, he could have shown you his or I don't know. I'm not going to. But anyway, the Q fix 308 with the zero tech thrive HD 2 1 1 2 1 1 2 15 power scope. That's an awesome scope.

1:02:38Aluminated Redical with a worn one piece mount. What else we got here? We got the oh, the stealth arms platypus. That is a beautiful gun. It's all aluminum 2011 pistol. But yes, what? It takes glauque mags. Really? Yes. So if you are a glauque fanatic. And by the way, there are very few pre-band 2011 mags. 2011 mags in the state of Massachusetts. But there's a ton of glauque 17 mags. That takes glauque 17 mags. And do you have one of these in store? Well, that one is here. Oh, yeah, I'm right. Yeah, I'll show you after the show. But. So that one is is going. That's a really rare gun. Beautiful gun comes with the trigger con RMR in the. Streamlight TL R1. High Lumen. And that was donated by Liberty Ordnance. So yeah, very cool. There you have it. That's all. Oh, and a Benelli Lupo donated by. Let's see if it says its name. Oh, they took it off. So maybe I shouldn't say.

1:03:59Generously donated by. Someone very special to us. But this Benelli Lupo 30 odd six brand new in the box. Look at the wood on that. It's gorgeous. That is. That's a $2,800 gun or whatever. So. So don't miss out really seriously don't miss out. Right. The tickets I think are are they 95 for individuals 99 99. And then. In sponsor table. Yep. If you want to go to the website. Sure. Let's go back to the website and. Break it down just real quick. Tickets in sponsorship. Right there. Click on tickets in sponsorship. You can buy your tickets here. 99 dollar general admission. Or you save 25 bucks if you buy it for a couple. Bring the wife, bring the husband, bring the kids, bring the whole family. 175 bucks for two. And we have. Did I screw this up? Dang it. How do I keep doing that?

1:05:02Because it keeps opening a new tab every time I click something. So there it is 99 bucks general admission. So we're going to have like the if you get a sponsor ticket or it's a sponsor table it includes the VIP but all the descriptions are there. If you are also are interested in getting an ad in the program reach out to me. And we can get that done. Full page half page quarter page and that information is in the more information section on the very bottom. Thank you Bill for reminding me that you did in fact donate a bunch of guns. Oh Bill. Yes. Bill did. Yep. He donated some amazing guns. We love pioneer Valley Arms to and Kendall is going to DC with us. Yeah she's so excited. So that's going to be great. So yeah let's see. Oh and if anybody is interested in helping out in any way just reach out to us as well because the volunteers the old county captains kind of stepped up and started ramping their teams back up but.

1:06:19But we need help passing the signs out that we have available so we're getting more signs I think right. Yes we have we're almost out at Cape Gunworks but we're going to be getting another drop of signs which is close to loop here. Platinum sponsorship gold silver bronze brass and you know you can you get tickets with this you get a table if you go to a high enough level and maybe if you're a member of a gun club or a you know social club. And you want a sponsor table even if you can't go sponsor table and we'll have other people go in your stead that be a great way to raise money and as I've been saying from the start there is no one coming to save us. We have to do this all on our own at the grassroots level and that's the only way out of this.

1:07:19The other side 230 donors and they have half a million bucks in the bank our side we have 2700 plus donors small dollar donors I thank you you are doing the Lord's work here in Massachusetts to preserve the right and that's the difference we're not a special interest group. We don't have big money donors we don't have labor unions and all the special interest groups we have a grassroots movement and there's 600,000 of us in the state of Massachusetts that are licensed gun owners. If we all do our part we can we can put on a campaign that will leave them wondering what happened and as Roots Zach are in said in today's debate this is important because they plan to export this model to the rest of the country. So if you're watching this from another state you should be donating to the Civil Rights Coalition so that we can win this and stop it right here. We did it in the beginning with the petitions we were so so successful over 100,000 signatures right and if we did that we can do this.

1:08:28There's no reason why we can and it's just basically getting the 600,000 gun owners to to all participate in one way shape or form even if you can't donate anything big but five bucks five bucks goes a long way if everybody donated five dollars. Yeah if you can't come go on the donation page and you can throw a dollar amount we're getting a lot of those I can't attend but here's a couple under box here's five under box here's a thousand bucks and I thank you to all the people who've done that. There's no one coming to save us if we don't do it ourselves then we get what we deserve so but this is going to be a fun way to raise money on September 18th. Who wouldn't want something for their money right it goes to a good cause these guns have been donated generously donated. And they can be a whole brochure of everybody who's donated them and they'll yeah we don't want them to be orphans they're going to go home with somebody not that night of course but they will end up at whoever is the winning bid. And I want to thank you all for joining us today we'll we'll be reporting back from DC over the weekend and we got a lot going on so there'll be no rapid fire next week actually probably for the next two weeks because I'm going to Scotland after this but so got a lot going on but we'll try to record some shows maybe next Friday or something so that when we come back I'll come back on we'll talk about the trip.

1:09:53Hopefully we'll have some footage for from DC to share with everybody and so keep the faith let's keep this going let's keep the momentum going and history and the constitution and the natural laws of man are on our side. Thank you all for tuning in God bless have a great weekend and I will see you soon. you