Radio Replay - Inside Michigan Basketball (Mar. 9)

0:00Let's talk Wolverine's hoops. Welcome to Inside Michigan Basketball. Over the next hour, we'll take you inside both the men's and women's basketball programs. Now hear your hosts, Brian Bush and Terry Mills. What a day at Chrysler Center yesterday. The Wolverines not just celebrating senior day, not just celebrating a big 10 championship in a 19-in-1 conference record, but downing Michigan State 90 to 80. We're here to break it down with head coach Dusty May in a little bit on Inside Michigan basketball, also Kim Barnes-Rico and the women's team. They've got a week to get ready for the NCAA tournament and we'll find out Saturday if Michigan will host the first two rounds of the NCAA tournament. But Terry Mills and on much that rivalry yesterday means to you Michigan's first regular season sweep of the Spartans since 2014. Oh, that sounds great. And what can you say? It's a great day to be a Michigan Wolverine. Special time. Love

1:00the atmosphere. Fans showed up, showed out. In the past, you would see a mix of a little green and white. You didn't see that. I mean, they didn't sell their tickets. They came and they sat down in those seats and they shared it and this Michigan team gave them some results. How did Michigan get that result? There was a a herky jerky little field game early on because of a lot of the reviews and the referee discussions that were requested by both sides. I don't even really think it was the official's fault. It was just kind of how the game went and then we got to the basketball and it was high level basketball. Yeah, when the game started, I wasn't sure we're going to get to 50 points. I thought it was going to be old school, but I wasn't sure if we're going to get out of there for midnight. Yeah, 45 to 50 and then you get all these replays going on. But that just shows you how competitive that matchup is, no matter what. But I spoke to a lot of people and say, I don't know if they were playing for last place. I mean, you want to win that ball game and that's what went into that. So good to see the players were dialed in. This team is special. They're Michigan state team is extremely

2:04tough. They're going to be competitive and I think that comes from the coaches and this team we came out victorious. It was a great matchup and awesome way to close the regular season for a Michigan men's team that now heads to the big 10 tournament as the one seed. They'll take on one of four potential teams, but likely other Iowa or Ohio state. They're still planning to play for even if Michigan's already won a big 10 title. Yes, it is. I mean, you don't want to just go into this and say, Hey, we don't want to win. We'll just go back home. That's not the mindset of the Michigan team. They want to win every ball game. And as they win games, they're just chasing history right now and why not continue to chase it. Don't take anything for granted because this game could be here today and go on tomorrow. So when is much of you can? Oh, down. All right. We got Dusty May standing by. He joins us in our next segment. Then a little bit after the bottom of the hour had coach Kim Barnes or Rico, Michigan women's basketball. They went one in one in their big 10 tournament this past weekend, a week of preparation before the NCAA tournament brackets come out on both sides. A later to talk with coaches, Dusty May and Kim Barnes

3:09or Rico here on inside Michigan basketball. And we return from Learfield. Here with Dusty May on inside Michigan basketball after one heck of a Sunday inside Chrysler Center coach, let's start with Dusty May the dad for senior day with Charlie with Anna Eli walking out there. It was a quick flip you had to make from coaching a game to coming over and seeing us to then being Dusty the dad. What was that all like as you look back? You know, one of the many things that coach Boyton does for me and our staff is just always think ahead and and he has great insight. And he just said, Hey, as soon as the game's over, you're going to go be dad for a minute. We'll handle this. Don't think about whatever you just just be ready to go with Charlie. And then you can pivot from there. And so, you know, the nut job that I am all I kept thinking about is like me and Charlie's not going to be here next year. I'm not enjoying the moment. I'm just thinking like, dang, he's not going to be a practice. I'm not going to walk by and and make a little joke to him during practice or see him out there doing scout team or playing with the managers

4:12after the practice or whatever the case. And so there's a moment of sadness of like, wow, this is another one of those family just transitions that are they're extremely difficult for all of us. Yeah, I like to call them unsung heroes. Give a lot of credit to the managers to the coaching staff for being able to take some of that pressure off of you and take pressure off one another. I don't think either get a whole lot of credit. No, Terry. When I came up in the business, it was a different game. There were three assistant coaches, a head coach, and at Indiana, there was a trainer and a secretary. That was the staff. So the senior managers, it was a hierarchy where the seniors were video coordinators. There were director of operations. They were basically camp directors as a freshman year manager. As a sophomore, you start phasing into whatever area you think you're good at film, whatever the case. And so now the staffs are so big. And so these guys don't have the opportunity typically to grow and develop where they're ready for salary positions at college. That's what I should

5:16say. And because of our staff, the way they invest in people and developing humans, our managers have a big role in our stats and our video breakdowns and projects. And so these guys are ready for whatever's next. And we're going to we're going to try to continue to develop our managerial program because Jay Billis has been very popular for talking about managers. When you talk about humility, you talk about guys that will do anything for the team. And then you factor in that they were able to get into Michigan on their own means that they're the best and the brightest and also have the feel and the human side of it where they want to be a productive member of a team. And so those guys, I could go on and on about our managers, man, I love those guys. I hated to look out and see the ones that we're going to be they're going to be leaving us next year. But with the program, we're developing those guys will be back and be around and still be still be a part of it. Yeah, shout out to Nick, Sam Garrett, Brendan, Ryan, Reagan and Anthony for all their hard work and

6:20all the others, the non senior managers as well. And talking to Will Chatter after everything went down, that was a spur of the moment speech that he shared. And if you missed it or weren't at Chrysler Center or had to leave after the game, it's on defend the block, the post game episode. If you want to listen back to Will's thoughts. And he mentioned the man was one of the first things he did was shout out the managers. I think it speaks to a lot of things, including Will and who he is. But it doesn't go unnoticed by the players, what those guys do. No, the man, it's it's crazy to because when you see the former players come back in town, they're usually with a manager with that was a roommate or somebody that they just spend a lot of time. And when you're in the gym with someone and you're guarding them or playing one on one guy to defense or whatever the guys do with with whoever's rebound and for the burn of the gym, there's a bond that that comes with work at hard together and figuring stuff out and going through highs and lows. And so the managers become a part of their lives, especially the ones that that are trying to get into coaching and spend a lot of time in here. And so it's really cool to see. And then once again, it's so different when

7:23I was a manager, I was essentially told, do you want to be looked at as a play as a as a friend of the player or an extension the coaching staff. And now the way college basketball and athletics in general have transitioned into this partnership, there doesn't have to be that line. You have to be a can do it between the two and be able to I think help the players think like the coaches and see the game through their perspective and then vice versa help us coaches maybe see something that we didn't notice with the players because they're with them on, you know, they're with them in a gym at 6 a.m. Yeah, coach, what is considered a day off in your program? I know I hear that word all the time day off, just seeing wheelchair are here. Your whole staff is here, but it's a day off that that doesn't really ring a bill with a day off, you know, to me. Yeah, you know, in coach B line, I've leaned on him a lot for just advice and just in general and, you know, some of it you use, some of it you don't and I've used to about 90% of the one thing he told me said try to get away on your off days and the way I'm wired, I just I like to stop through the training room and just

8:28have these conversations short conversations with our guys and check on them and just, you know, just look them in the eye and see if you can feel what they're what they're thinking or where they are at that moment and see, you know, so we're here. They, you know, we don't we tell our guys, it's whatever you need. If you feel like you need to keep that jumper fresh, then then come in, get some shots up. If you feel like you need some treatment, do that. If you need a massage, we'll have that for you like whatever you need to feel like you're at your best and some of the guys, they don't come in. They need a day to decompress and get some air, some sunlight focus on academics, whatever they need. So a day off is more of a whatever you need day and it's not the coaches trick bag. We're not, we're not telling them it's a day off. Right. And then say, and well, if you're not in, though, just expect, expect consequences. We refer to the shout out, what are the old Indian assistants? He called it the coaches trick bag. We try not to ever use the, the, the old coaches trick bag. Had he played where with Dusty, may have come back, talk more about the win over Michigan State. Look ahead to the big 10, turn him as we continue here on inside Michigan basketball from Lairfield. Hey, Michigan,

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10:38one of four potential teams in the Big Ten tournament in the Friday quarter final tip off at noon eastern coming up on Friday from Chicago. We'll talk about that in a little bit. But let's start with the 90-80 win over the Spartans. Similar to the Duke game, your front court had to battle some foul issues. A dimara and more as Johnson Jr. each pick up to did not play a single second after those two fouls. What did you guys glean from past experiences to apply to this that allowed you guys to get the win? Well, we decided to go small and just try to get it to halftime in a one or two possession game and credit will and yaks and and rotty. They were banging bigger bodies and I thought we offensively we played well down the stretch. We're able to score the last five points of the half in the last minute and we thought that was big just to get into the halftime with a die having two and res having two. It's like our turnovers. When our turnovers lead to dunks or layups and they're dead, then we can live with that. The fouls,

11:45if they're aggressive fouls, if they're plays that are going to lead to something that's positive than we can live with them. It's just a dies two fouls. The first one that's a post up at 19 feet and he just grabs the guy's arm for no reason. I mean, we don't even really want to get that catch if we have to get it challenged. And then a second one is just kind of a misfortune where he's jumping in the air. He makes contact and kind of just gives a guy a little nudge and he's just got to be smarter. These teams that are they're they're very, very good at embellishing and flopping and all the other stuff. It's they're hard to play against and there's a team in our league that we were very confident going into the game because we're like, look, they're not floppers at all. They're physical, but they don't flop. The teams that are hard to play against are the ones that hit you and then they wait on you to hit them back and then they're ready to take a splatter. And so he, you know, we just got to be we got to be smarter knowing that that's the case in certain games. And so we can't have a die sitting in the first half because of those fouls. If he's going

12:48to block a shot and something happens, we can live with it, but we can't live with those. Yeah, big stretch in that game. As you said, I wrote it down, told Brian five minutes 12 seconds. This is the biggest stretch of this ball game right here for this team to be able to hold it down. And I thought those guys that came off the bench, they really held it down. I mean, Roddy kind of held his own. I mean, you got Roddy, Garden, Kohler and Kohler's just pretty much having his way, but we're able to hold that down. Yeah. And we didn't do a great job using our quickness. We knew every time out, they were coming out and they were trying to pound us inside with post ups and they were pretty effective overall. I might have looked at the numbers from it yet, but when we are mismatch, we've got to stop settling behind those guys and be more active with our feet and force the post touches to be a lot more difficult. We'll see what happens tomorrow with the the all big 10 teams in the player of the year, but there can't be many guys who are sitting there 20th in their league in points per game that are, I think, the overwhelming

13:50favorite to be the player of the year. That's where Yaxl Lendaborg sits right now. He leaves the team, but I think in the two years, you have paved so many proofs of concept. You wanted to show you could win. You obviously shown what what this team can do with creative front court pieces. The buying in from afar, when you have an opportunity here to have a player the year finished 20th in point three. I know that's not the only metric. There are better ways to weigh a player's value, but it doesn't have to necessarily be scoring with Yaxl. How important is that to show to other people that hey, if you buy in, you come in, you play well, you can you be a connector like you've talked about. These types of accolades normally go to the biggest score or the most prolific player they'll go to you. Yeah, I think it says a number of things that we continue to find the right type of guys for us and the amount of sacrifice that the Yaxl's made. I mean, Brian Terry, like I'll be sitting there in a game and I'll be like, man, we got to get Yaxl the ball. And then I'm looking at myself like, you're the head coach. You have a little bit of say where that ball goes.

14:52So sometimes I have to pitch myself and say, hey, man, why don't you put the ball in Yaxl's handle a little bit and see what he can do. But we try to play in the flow where everyone's involved and cutting and moving and playing together. So we want perfect synergy. But sometimes, man, we just got to get the ball in his hands. And because he's such a good passer, he's so unselfish, we're probably going to get a better shot. And so it's that that medium of not being in flow, but also not throwing it and becoming completely static and stagger like it's 1988, post up NBA bad boys, pistons, basketball. And so it's finding that in between. And Yaxl's done a good job. I know that that stretch Terry is about five to go is when we started putting in his hands a lot more. And our shot quality went up immensely. Yes, it did. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, Rottie's overall, I finally got a smile out of Rottie after the game when we interviewed him because he's kind of still awake. Don't say a whole lot. And he finally smiled and said, say, Rottie, there's been a word going around here that you show up in

15:55March. You start playing in March. And I think it came from Yaxx and Yaxx said, you know, vice versa. Yaxx was like, well, I show up in March too. Yeah. That's that's one thing about both of those guys. I mean, Rottie's performance and the NCAA tournament last year was we'll go down and miss you get lower. And I think that's what athletics has been. You know, we showed him the clip. And our players didn't know what this was. I stole from a friend of mine, the coach at Texas Tech. He shows it every year. And it's Andy Dufrein when he breaks out of prison when he's if you guys have seen Shawshank. And it's 500 yards. He's crawling through 500 yards of feces. And you just keep going and going and going. And you don't know when that fresh water and freedom is and performance and all this stuff. But you just got to keep going. And Rottie's with through some stuff where he's probably had to give and sacrifice as much as anyone in our program. And it's another one of the many reasons that his lock his value in our locker room is as great as it is. There's not a player over the last two years that I think the rest of the guys are

16:58more comfortable going to and sharing experiences, being vulnerable, talking to because of that sacrifice, because of what a great guy he is. And man, he's leaving a mark at Michigan. And we talked about it. Like we have super teammates. And in that Rottie Gale and Nemori and Will and these guys, I mean, that's that's the legacy they're leaving. Man, they've they've impacted those below them because they've changed the way they they act on a daily basis. They're behaviors and very, very happy for Rottie to perform statistically in the moment like he did last night. Once again, you're playing your rival at home. We're trying to, you know, they've been the they've been a big part of who the big 10 goes through for a number of years. And for Rottie to play like that for him to get to the rim for him to make the plays he's making. Man, very, very happy for him and his family because he's he's got some he's got some good ball in front of him. Yeah. Well, I'd let him know right away. I'm team Roddy. You know, don't worry about the outside noise. I'm seeing no secret agent.

17:59I'm team. I'm team Roddy all the way. He beat that case last year. He told us all. Yeah, you right. I'm team Roddy all the way. And he said he beat the case, which is great. We're with Dusty May. We'll talk about the big 10 tournament, which starts for the Wolverines on Friday. After a triple buy. Yes, that exists. This is Michigan basketball from Lairfield. Wolverines getting ready for the big 10 tournament. A quarter final matchup coming up on Friday. We'll take the air at 11 30 Eastern on Friday morning on many of these same stations. Head coach Dusty May with us. We got Kim Barnes Rico joining in a little bit less than 10 minutes here on the show. Anything you gleaned about the big 10 tournament in particular last year. You've been a part of conference tournaments for a while, but how it was structured, how much success you guys had it and also a different spot in the bracket. You got a quicker turnaround being the night game versus having the first game of the day. Every game you guys keep advancing. Any lessons glean from last year? You're applying for this one. Well, I like the spacing much better this year is the one seed to have the 24 hours in between each game.

19:01Pretty, I mean, at least 24 hours between each game. The thing we learned was that you're going to have to be equipped to play in a number of different ways. When you look back, we played really well against Purdue and we took some of the things we'd done against them in game two and did them better and we started to get our rhythm and we looked fresh and then we played Maryland and it was an up and down high score and a fair went down to the very, very millisecond to get out there with a win and it was some unbelievable individual performances. I still think that Derek Queen game was he did some things that we may, you know, we rarely see as coaches and competitors and then you get into the championship game and neither team can find any rhythm and you're playing three games in three days. So then you have to find a way to win a mud wrestling contest and we found a way to do that and I think that gets you ready for the tournament that we don't know even yesterday. We didn't know what that game was going to look like. We had an idea that it was going to be that physical but you never know the fish eating cruiser different. There's their circumstances and so you'd never know how it is but you better be ready to pivot and win a game a certain way

20:04and have players on board with whatever we have to do this particular game and we thought it would be like this and it's not so now it has to be like this. So we got to find a way to do it like that and so that's what we learned to do it in three games in three days will make us better if we can figure out a way. Yeah coach just kind of looking back on last night's game and sounds like doing your pressure is like you've already broke down the Michigan State game but maybe you went home and put it on. What's your schedule like after all that celebration and everything that went on? How much sleep are you getting these days? Oh Terry not enough. Actually I've told people that because of our team this year I've slept better than I they got ever have as a head coach man. That's what they do correlates. They're really really good players that are dependable, reliable and and head coaches sleeping patterns. I think that should be a sleep study. If I do I recall this correctly. I think we talked before the championship game of the big 10 term at last year and you said you you slept from 11 p.m. to 2 a.m. before that game. Do you recall?

21:07I don't know what I know what this was between Maryland and Wisconsin last year's big 10 where you said I had to get some sleep so I I set an alarm for two. I kind of chuckle them like dang that's impressive that you kind of got to figure it out in March though don't you? You do and usually you can do that a couple days in a row and then the third day you're probably gonna crash and sleep seven or eight. Your body kind of tells you but we were laughing as a staff last night that typically the day the season's over your body you just shuts down on you and you have all your aches and elements but when you're in the fight your body knows there's no time for this like you've got to you've got to get what needs to be done done and yeah like I've always been able to to get up early I love the mornings getting up and getting after it I don't like the nights as well so there are times when all even you know as a college I I sleep from eight to midnight and get up and write a paper at midnight okay because I was motivated by a sense of urgency that's how my brain works anyway because about 8 p.m. I'm mush and you're not getting anything out of me so no kid up so something that's interesting with with watching your assistant coaching staff the support staff scout

22:11is that multiple fingerprints are on it with four potential opponents for Friday how do you structure stagger the week of assignments and I assume it changes as you get more information with a game tomorrow that could dictate who you might face on Friday. Well Brian two parts if I could the first is that's another reason I sleep well at night because I know the staff if I'm missing something they've got it covered and and they make my life easier every single day because they're really good at their jobs and when it comes to the scouting I don't know because they're going to figure it out that we know we have our set scouting schedule and they decide based on who they want to study who they've done what had the had in the past if they've struggled against the team they'll they'll give it off to somebody else and get a different perspective and then so I just ask a who has the scout offensive defense and then if if someone happens to have a couple consecutive then they'll just give one up or they'll just prepare that coach the best they could based on that information so those guys once again the I've always said it the head coach has get a much too credit when things are going well and you know we'll take the blame when things

23:16aren't but the staff the way they work together is very very similar to how well our players work together. Yeah coach what came into the decision making of having the celebration after the game as opposed to before the game and I asked that because it's like it's almost like it's added pressure because if you don't win that game what kind of celebration is it you know it's kind of well Terry two things yeah our temperature doesn't change if we would have lost that game we would have been disappointed but that doesn't take away that banner that those guys hung and the imprint that our players left on a program and managers so so once again the we try not we try to be process oriented where it's not just the results are going to cause us to melt down or we would have been disappointed it would have been tougher but we just felt like the game was the most important thing even more to ask hey if we can get a banner made in time do you want to you want to drop it from Michigan State and I said as long as it's after the game I want us focused on playing basketball for 40 minutes and then after that I don't care I'd love to do a ceremony I want to see our guys

24:17but just the fact like everything becomes so much and you're you're giving your emotional energy to something that doesn't help you win then we just we just didn't think it was the right way to do it it's a sacrifice for our fans to stick around a little bit longer and things like that but we just felt like last year there was so much put into the Michigan State game other than the actual game that we didn't perform well lastly were you able to be present in all of it I know you're so moving forward next thing but after the game celebration did you feel like you're able to be present briefly no not really okay fair enough we'll coach appreciate thanks guys I appreciate it there's Dosty May we'll come back with Kim Barnes Rico as we continue this is inside Michigan basketball from Lairfield this podcast is sponsored by IQ bar I've got good news and bad news here's the bad news most protein bars are packed with sugar and unpronounceable ingredients the good news there's a better option I'm well and I created IQ bar plant protein bars to empower doers like you

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26:21in advances to the championship match against neo right now at global gaming league dot com that's global gaming league dot com everybody games now we flip over to the women's side and catch up with head coach Kim Barnes Rico here on inside Michigan basketball and to bridge the gap coach i want to talk about your son Trevor now a big ten champion we had a chance to catch up Trevor and i did on thursday out in Iowa and he was talking about how much fun he's having how much he's really sunk into this and and then you see him sunday cutting down a piece of net confetti falling what has it been like for you uh to be able to watch this experience and i know you can't be at every game obviously but but Trevor such a key part is a grad manager with the program and boy the win percentage is going to be tough to maintain over the course of his course of his coaching career he's he doesn't know well i mean i think he does know how fortunate he is but to be around an incredible program like he is and to win a big ten championship in his first year of coaching um how lucky is he but you know

27:26we we returned yesterday and um i went right from my drive back straight to the lacrosse fields because mo was playing against a ranked opponent in Colorado and she had a great win and then i went home and i came here later but i didn't go down um to the court oh my watch the game and i sent trevitax are you still here and he came in he's like mama i didn't tell you about today but i got to go up on the ladder and cut down the net and i'm like buddy i'm your mom you're supposed to let me know this stuff i would have been down there like a mom all i said at Emma's game was i'm here today as Emma's mom i'm not here um as a coach and you know i would have been down there as Trevor's mom um and not a coach so i didn't i didn't get to really celebrate that moment with him but just to see his face when he walked in the office last night after the ceremonies and you know how happy he was and how truly truly grateful he is for dusty and to be a part of

28:31this special program and all the players in the program and and what an incredible moment so he's been around basketball for a really long time and i think he understands what this moment means yeah has Trevor had that conversation with you from coming from player to coach of saying hey i want to continue to do this or i didn't know that much went into it because a reason i asked that because as a player i just showed up you know the coaches would have all the stuff ready you follow the script you don't know what goes on behind the scenes he had no idea and he grew up in a house where i was always on the go um but it's such a change and even our former players that get into it are like oh my gosh we didn't realize that you do this this this this and we also didn't realize how much it like affects your insides and your outsides and you lose sleep and you think about this constantly and your mind is always turning and he's like oh my gosh mom i had no

29:33idea i'm like yeah um after stressful games after stressful practices he's like how do you go to sleep on like you really don't and your mind is turning all the time um but last year when he first got into it he stayed in Boston last summer and and coached with a couple teams there and he called me up he's like i love this i was like oh boy oh boy um and uh he just loved working with the kids and watching players get better and players that are really passionate and driven about it and then you know this experience with our men's team and the year that they're having i mean they might be one of the best teams to ever play the game you know this team is really really special and he's around just such great coaches and and Dusty's obviously tremendous but his staff and just the people he gets to be around every single day and and work with and learn from and then the players some of the greatest in the game right now um it's just been an incredible experience

30:33but i think he he truly loves it but he sees there's a whole other side to it Terry that you don't know until you're immersed in it yeah well he came in at the right time on a all-time high and i don't know he might have a different change of mind once you kind of ifs and flows you know you get on that low point yes you start out and your team is eating 20 yes like i don't really know if i want to do this anymore yeah yeah it's really different he's very fortunate um where he is but you know he's young in this business and he's learning from the best but you know in this business at that age he can be anywhere in a couple years if and he could be on an eight and 20 team he could be in Idaho who knows where this game will take him but you know that's part of figuring it out and that's part of really growing in it some days you're going to have great days and some years you're going to have great teams and some years you're going to have teams that aren't great and you know it's still you have to figure out how to coach them and and be the same all the time and

31:33watch people get better and and see them improve so i'm excited to see where this journey will take him for sure it's been so awesome watching in both programs here at Michigan how there is trying to cultivate the next whether it's assistant coach or head coach you mentioned you know players who become coaches tell you i didn't realize this all went into with coach roush for example yes why is it important for you to create in your program that type of learning environment a lot of it is biosmosis and experiencing it but but i also know you are hands on with your assistants with the managers with grad assistants with players who might want to do this to try to help them when when you got a lot of other things going on yeah a long time ago one of my mentors told me you know what do you want your legacy to be and this was a long time ago and obviously as a coach you want to win and you want to hang banners and you want to impact young women and that's like at the top of you know my my goals but also i had to reflect because early on in my career i was

32:38i would i would always get so upset about an assistant coach moving on i feel like darn they're leaving here i am teaching them and grooming them and you know that they're leaving and we're building something and why are they not staying here and i had to you know obviously reflect on you know they're like our players they want they they aspire to be head coaches and they aspire to move up in the profession and they aspire to have their own teams and um you know i i had to learn that and then that had to become really you know that became really really important to me as you know i want my assistant coaches to reach their dreams i want it for our players but i want it for our assistant coaches as well and i if they want to be a head coach you know i want to help them get there if they want to be a top assistant i want to help them get there if they want to be working the WNBA i want to help them get there and i think that's like really important for me and when young women come into this profession i also want them i think it's really important because

33:40we lose a lot of women because they don't believe that they can have it all they don't believe that they can have a family they can raise children they can do all these things and still coach at the highest level with the amount of energy and the amount of time that it takes and i want them to say no you can do it you can do it sometimes it's challenging you need a team of people around you that are going to support you and help you and help you take care of your family when when you're working but i don't want them to feel like they can't do it and they leave the profession so i think it's really important for me to set that example and then for me to show them that you know they definitely can do it and pour into them so they believe that they can do it great words of wisdom there from head coach kim marjorieco will talk about the big ten tournament look ahead to the week getting ready for the nca's as we continue here on inside michigan basketball from lear field michigan women's basketball goes one and one in indianapolis at the big ten tournament gearing up for the nca tournament will learn if and when michigan will host coming up on saturday

34:47and then of course the nca brack reveal sunday night coach just overall takeaways from the big ten tournament experience a win over organ and then a loss to iowa yeah i mean it was great for us to play in tournament play you know we still i have to remind myself quite often we still have such a young team and these experiences are totally different than they've ever been in before and this year we had an into the big ten tournament with a double buy which was a different experience and getting to watch the teams play that we could potentially play um and then playing in a 9 p.m. game on friday night was completely different and then after playing in that 9 p.m. then you got to turn around get back to the hotel at midnight and you play the next day at 4.30 i'm just experiencing that um in the back-to-back play so i think all of those are great those are great opportunities for us to play in tournament play um and get ready for the nca tournament um we did tremendous job first night against organ i'm really played well we're was really happy with our performance and then you know for three quarters we did a great job against iowa and then

35:52they you know obviously had a great fourth quarter and and we weren't successful in that game so bummed about that um you know thought it gave us a neutral court rematch with iowa but you know need to regroup and need to you know now take advantage of the opportunity for us to work on us for the next you know week and a half before we get ready for the nca tournament. yeah coach i know you've been through the gauntlet of the big 10 kind of your overall uh assessment of what you see in comment or did you see it coming the iowa you see a lay game i mean did you see that coming uh no and i couldn't bring myself to watch the territory now i was at the lacrosse game yesterday afternoon and uh then after that i was on on a walk with my dog on the golf course enjoying the beautiful mishkid day. what one or someone had the text you. oh i got a lot of text i got a lot of text. are you kidding me? yes um from everyone of my children down from every family member to you know our our coaches

36:54to everyone yes i got a bunch of text messages um you know i i would like to think you know maybe i was worn down for the night before um you know i i think when you play those late games and then you have to turn around and go earlier and earlier every day it's kind of interesting how we do it i don't know if you guys are the same you know there are a lot of questions i have to why things go that way and i'm probably going to ask about our meetings just so i could be more educated um and you know i guess you know it's to protect the higher seeds i i i see that for sure um but i um usually it's a great team they have what usually has and what makes them special is you know an all-american arguably the best player in the country in loren bats but then around her is the experience it's fifth year and six year kids reminds me a little bit of you know our men's team um you can't take there's no

37:55substitute for experience there's no substitute for being in those positions and for having 500 practices 600 practices under your belt when you get to tournament play um and i know that UCLA leans into that with their team um iowa has experience at some spots and at other spots you know they're younger and um probably we're a little bit more worn down i i would say probably but they are two great teams that i think are gonna you know wreak havoc in the nca tournament yeah because i know we talked about some of your assistants moving on and i'd like to know if you've ever seen one of your assistants move on why you watched them coach did they've taken some of your coaching skills plays or something where you watched and say oh so you just stole my play oh yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure um you know it's funny i i have so many assistants now that are head coaches a former assistants former players that are head coaches around the country a lot of

39:00them now and it's so much fun to watch them because i'm like oh yeah that's that that's that that's that or you know sometimes we'll go to practice and they'll be doing all these drills and i'm like oh i remember that and we'll catch up on the phone and we'll talk about different things and you know now it's fun because i can pick their brain on different stuff or what do you do against this or you know give me give me something new or something fresh and you know so many so many of my um you know like i said former players former assistants are doing such a tremendous job out there it's been great to watch them so we i know we ask you this most of the time here at this stage where you go from the grind of you know at least two games a week into now this unique week where conference tournament is over get into the nca's next week so how has your approach to this week evolved over the years and and you feel like it's a pretty steady uh schedule and and delineation or do you have to evolve it to the team the circumstance well i think as a coach you're always

40:04evolving and we talk about that you know i talk about that a lot with my young assistants with the changing landscape of college athletics with the changing landscape of college basketball um you're always trying to grow you're always trying to evolve and you're always trying to learn from people that have one championship so it's always picking the brain of the great ones to see how they do things and continuing to grow i think is really important um but we kind of have a normal routine i think you know these next few days are gonna be super fun for me because it's almost like the preseason once again and i love this time and you know in practice traditionally we have amazing blue team and you know the the maze team is usually our starters and the blue team is usually our second group this week gives me an opportunity to mix up those maze and blue and to compete and to go against each other and it's and it's real fun you know for different people to step up and and to show their growth and and to um you know compete and it's fun for me to watch to see how people have developed and kind of where we are from 1 to 14 so that's fun and then you know

41:11later in the week we get back to you know our traditional preparing and getting better and you know coming off a loss you know you're never happy coming off a loss but i think it really gives you a great opportunity to reflect and say okay heading into the tournament where do we really need to get better and what can we really focus and improve on and you know the tail end of that week we'll give us an opportunity to be laser focused on that as well yeah well coach you talk about sharing information and ideals with some of your former assistants uh i remember there was a time where that didn't happen at all where you used to have to get someone in your conference to send you a tape because you played a particular team they don't do that anymore do they no those days and sometimes Terry you would have to get in the car and drive the tape like to meet somebody somewhere and pick up the tape i mean yeah I know we both look really good but we're sharing our age now everything to everyone is all over i mean you can get it at your fingertips immediately after and the analytics and the numbers and this that and the third i mean you

42:16can get whatever you want instantaneously it's like these kids with their social media um so times are certainly different yeah you'd have to like be like how quickly can i get that if it goes in the mail it's going to take this long if i can drive there i can get it tonight exactly that's all it used to be because i mean the big team used to call up a uh another opponent and say you guys played them then can you send me that take yeah i don't think to help you out like that yeah what percentage of big ten coaches would would help you these days i'm not asking for specifics but do you think most big ten teams if you were to call it say hey you played insert team here we're going to see in the tournament is that it's still a high percentage i think so okay good i think i would like to think so i mean i don't know we don't really have to do it but sometimes i mean it doesn't help to have a great service are you one of them though i would help okay i would help i would help all you big ten coaches listening feel free feel free now at a conference is a little sticky and we don't want to share our conference to people at a conference and i think we do protect

43:18our conference like that um like i wouldn't want to share of some random person call me and ask me for you know use UCLA stuff i i think i would really like like a golden rule amongst uh yes i mean okay until you go until you get a next year and you're like gosh this big ten is hard i should have probably helped this it's been their family they're extended extended family but they're family sometimes you can get irritated with fans yes yes before we let you go do you have the sunday selection show plan yet how does that evolve over the next few days yeah i mean i haven't even talked to our director of operations seems very busy these days i think it's that's time of years i haven't really caught up with her yet um she really helps to organize that and plan that you know i probably said this on your show through the years you know our last big events was at revel in roll when we got the snub and we invited who's who of um and arbor michigan

44:20the university and uh i'm still in recovery mode off of that that was quite some time again we fixed all of that yeah we fixed all that going forward so yeah so we've done it at my house since that time i would imagine um the tradition may stick unless our players want to do something different you know like i said i'm always trying to evolve and grow and learn and if something really you know touches them and they feel it's important you know well definitely explore that this year though will be different for us um saturday they have a reveal so that's a little bit different to women's basketball them men's basketball and the top 16 teams find out if they're going to host and uh that's something that you know i'm going to be glued to on on saturday and uh you know can be really really really exciting and a wonderful opportunity we were able to host once in program history and we advanced when we had the opportunity to host and it was a special

45:21weekend in in an arbor um so for all you listeners if we do have that uh opportunity it's wonderful it's incredible it's incredible for for the university michigan it's incredible for our team and if if you're in a surrounding state and you can drive here and support that you know support women's basketball at the highest level it would be as it would be special for us so everyone come on out if that if that comes true yeah well if that comes true coach i'm a lean on you for a couple tickets because i'd like to come to come to come to my game in person yes that would be sweet we are we are rooting for dusty and and company to have a busy thursday saturday yeah their tournaments so that we can get back further because i was there at the the villanova game right round two yes yes now it's truly one of the coolest experiences it was weird to see Chrysler in a little bit of a different sia tournament style uh but you guys will both say if i will say when michigan is in that top 16 and i think pretty high up on it can't wait to to see that experience coach congratulations on a great lead up to the nca tournament and we look

46:25forward to previewing those matchups coming up here next week thank you guys go blue thanks for listening to tonight's episode of inside michigan basketball if you missed any of the show you can catch the entire episode on our podcast feed and go blue podcasts just search and go blue podcast wherever you listen to your podcasts the preceding has been a learfield presentation of the michigan sports network