Predicting Victor Wembanyama’s ENTIRE NBA Career

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1:00Part of the beast. Lean Theater, September 25th. Ready PG-13. Maybe inappropriate for children under 13. Coming up on Lockdown NBA Daily. Victor Wembeanyama is already one of the NBA's best players, but when will he win his first MVP? We play out his career. Plus, which contender has the weakest link and whose game will age poorly a decade from now? Lockdown NBA Daily starts now. You are Lockdown NBA. Your Daily NBA Podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. Your team every day. Hello and welcome back to Lockdown NBA Daily. I'm Wes Goldberg. That's Matt Moore and Hayes. We have a great show for you today on a Friday before the weekend. We're going to talk about the weakest link among the teams that we consider to be contenders. Plus, when we get to some peak offseason content, we're going to talk about which current NBA players game will age poorly in the next 10 or 20 or so years.

2:02But I want to start with this because over at Lockdown Spurs, they did a fun experiment. They had an AI model play out, Victor Wembeanyama's career, to see how many titles, MVPs, and defensive player of the year awards he could win. Let's go ahead and play the clip. I said, all right, chat GPT. I know when your demise is coming. You already know that. I want to see how much you know about Victor Wembeanyama. So I asked, I said, okay. Give me the projection as to what you see the rest of the way going. The Ascent ages 22 to 25. You have the first MVP, probably been the next one to three seasons. Could potentially average 30 points a night. And he says, I would not be surprised if I won two to three defensive player of the years or Victor did. And he is predicting a championship this season. He just 25 to 30. The Dynasty window, which the Spurs have a five to seven window of contention. That they will win two to four championships. So at the end of it all, when it's all set and done by the time he hits age 34, the veteran

3:07evolution, he's throwing in one more. The final consensus, realistic. This is his realistic one. 12 to 15 All Star selections, 12 to 10 All NBA selections, four to six DPOIs, two to three MVPs, two to four titles over 30,000 points, 12,000 boards for 4,000 blocks, top five to 10. That's the modest one. The egregious one is that he wins the next three. We know Victor Wemianma is awesome. Already one of the best players in the NBA, just to recap what Chattcheap ET said would be a modest career for Victor Wemianma. When it was all set and done, 12 to 15 All Stars and all NBAs, four to six defensive player of the year awards and multiple MVPs and a title within the next two to three seasons Matt. Realistic fair, your thoughts. Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair. I just think it is.

4:07I just think 12. The hell thing is always perilous here because it's a big man and we just have that they have harder times with basketball. It's just it's difficult. They have harder times with life. It's hard to be that tall. But the Spurs have been very proactive with them. I think I do think an interesting question is whether you think that he starts early with titles and wins a bunch and just keeps winning. If you think that he wins one and then waits a while or if he could take some a while, I think it takes him a while. I know they made the finals last year. So it's like Matt, they made the finals last year. He was one win away. Yeah, but like a lot of things went right for that and he still didn't win. Wemmy's still very raw and that's crazy. This is the thing I always get back to is when I watch him, I'm just like, God, his footwork is not as sharp as it's going to be and his body isn't as strong as it's going to be

5:08and his understanding and quarter awareness. There's so much that he's going to get better at. I think it kind of hates it just like between the ages of 26 and 31, he's going to be the best player in the world without question. There is no way anybody is better than him between 26 and 31. And if they get, I've been saying about this yesterday about the idea of luck in sports and about how sometimes it's about getting lucky and sometimes it's about avoiding bad luck. And as long as Wemby avoids bad luck, 26 through 31, I think looks at three to four MVPs, DPOI every single season and between three to four titles in a six year span. So much has to go right to one of the championship. Like Wemby could be the best player in the world. I mean, we've talked about Yoke as being the best player in the world for how long he has one title. So like it's hard to predict that part of it, but as far as the individual accolades, like there's nothing out of the room with possibility for Wemby. As far as MVPs, defense players of the years, any of that.

6:09Now I do disagree with Matt that I don't think we can clearly say he's going to be the best player in the world because there is so much still wrong in his game, but it's some of that may never come in the way that we think it is. Now I do think he's going to max out on his potential more than not, but you never know what's going to happen there. I think that for Wemby, he is going to be one of those players that ultimately like all the hardware in the world won't matter as much as titles. And he's going to have, he's going to stack hardware as far as individual accolades. The title part of it, that's the part that I just like so much can change in the NBA in any given year. Like it's so much can change over a three years span. That's interesting. So do you think it's more likely? This is actually I think kind of a fun question. Do you think you'll have more MVPs or titles? More MVPs? Okay. Because I kind of think that MVP is very much subject to certain parameters and basically like you don't win after the age of 29, you don't win like nobody wins after age 29. It's Kobe and Nash in the last 30 years and that's it.

7:10So I'm kind of like, I don't know. This first have such good, I also like, there's things about this that I trust more than or I'm thinking of when I talk about this with the title stuff of it's not just how talented he is and how big he is. It's how dedicated and how intense he is about his work. Like he came into the league and was like, I want to be an all time great. Like he's after it. He has set the bar there. Like he is not like, I want to have a great career. Victor Wemme and Yama's like, I want to go at the throne. I want to go at the mountain and you have a team around him that understands from a long time, like corporate intelligence is the term that Matt Tide and over at Lockdown Spurs uses. They understand what championships look like, like what you need. So I just think that the capacity is really high for titles. Yeah, I think we all agree on that for the most part.

8:12But to both of you, it's really hard to win a championship and especially in today's NBA where we just don't see a lot of repeat winners and not even just repeat winners, guys, multiple winners within half a decade. I mean, who's we haven't had a single team win a title twice over the last since 2018. They don't make the conference finals. Right. Exactly. So, you know, I know that the Spurs and Victor Wemme and Yama got there last year, but we'll see. It's also, you know, oftentimes it's not the same opponent that you play in the finals, right? Those guys, the teams that lose the finals don't often make it back either. So I don't know if Victor Wemme and Yama is going to be in all time great. We're talking about four championships minimum to be part of that conversation, I think, multiple MVP's and all that kind of stuff. I will say this, the MVP conversation, I think it's easy to look at Wemme and be like, I'll probably be the best player in the league and therefore he will probably win an MVP sooner rather than later. If he continues on this current trend of how many minutes that he's playing, we're talking

9:14about consistently, last year, we played 400 fewer minutes than both Yoke and Shakeel just Alexander, the other guys that got first place votes for MVP. Can Wemme win if he's consistently playing four to 500 fewer minutes than the other guys that are potentially, you know, in the running for MVP? I do think that's a question at the end of the day when we start splitting hair, when voters start splitting hairs on who they're going to give the vote to. Yeah, I'm also kind of like, he'll play more. He'll just like, he'll probably ramp up. What were you saying? Right. No, I mean, I agree. I mean, that's a great point as far as the minutes played, but I think it comes down to how dominant he is in the minutes that he does play because they'll put the trajectories on. If he plays 400 less minutes and dominates the way he does, it may actually be a strength into his case of winning MVP. I do more or less. That was, I mean, he did get first place votes last year using that argument. How many will end the, we'll end the segment on this prediction. When does Victor Wemme get his first MVP? Matt. Not this season, but the year after 24.

10:15He'll be the same age as LeBron when he got it. He's 22 right now. He'll be 23 at the end of the season. LeBron got, when he was 24, he'll be 24. I think I actually did this first. Take a step back this season. That's not based off of any numbers or anything. That's just me going off of field. I just think it's really hard to make a finals run lose and then come back and have a good one. I think you win this season. I think you win next year. I think you win in 27, 28 is his first MVP. Matt said this year. You think it's a sure. I think it's this year. I think this, this spurs are absolutely stacked. I know they kept a lot of their roster the same, but they're going to be, they're going to have starters now that are going to come off the bench that we're starting for them last year. So I don't know. And if Wembee does play more minutes, I get Matt's point as far as I'm taking a step back. But let's say Wembee, instead of 400 less minutes, it's 200. How much better can they be in those minutes? They could be a much better team than what they were last year. I'm also going to predict this season. I think this is it, right? I think this is a window for his first one. I don't think Gilkitt is getting another one. I think there's enough like Denver or what's going on there. I do think we're going to get Shagel to Salagz and her fatigue after winning too straight. That's always a natural thing.

11:16I don't think like Lucas is going to be part of this conversation, but I'm not sure that the Lakers are going to win enough games and I'm not sure that they're ready. Maybe Luca in a couple of years. And then the East is so competitive. I don't know if any of those teams even get close to sniffing 60 wins. As long as the Spurs are in the high fifties, I think that it's going to be, I'm going to go ahead and predict that when he gets it at 23 years old, along with Hayes. But you know, Hayes and I are saying 23 years old and Matt's like, it'll take longer. He'll be 24 when he wins his first MVP. So it does feel like it's coming. One of the things that we talk about a lot these days also is how title contenders don't have many weak links. The fact that that is almost as important as who your star player is, which of the contenders has the weakest link. We're going to talk about that next. The problem of finding clothes that you can live it all day, be comfortable and do whatever you need to do. Whether it's just chilling, go into meetings, playing golf, being on the move, that problem has been solved by Cozier.

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13:21It's just you and me boy. 58 miles. Part of the beast is the must see adventure of the year. An incredible story of survival. I got you one of the most extraordinary on-screen bond you'll ever see. Only the greatest dog ever walked the earth. Brad Pitt. I'll get you home. Part of the beast. Lean theaters September 25th. Ready PG 13. Maybe inappropriate for children under 13. Welcome back to locked on NBA Daily. The best way to support the show. Subscribe on YouTube. We also air Monday to Friday at 1 p.m. Eastern. Wherever you get your podcasts. One of the things we talk a lot about these days is how title contenders don't have many weak links. We talk about those. We talk about that almost as much as we talk about their star player at this point. So when you're looking at the teams that we consider to be title contenders, Hayes, which team do you think has the weakest? Oh, that's a great question. Uh, the calves James Arden. I would have bet every dollar I had in my bank account that Hayes was going to say that.

14:24I mean, it's it's is there is there a argument for somebody else like, like James Arden has a career failing in the playoffs. Like he is the weakest link of any team that we look at as a contender. Like you can say that there are some people that are unproven, but they don't want to be a history of failing as much as James Arden does. Ask him to be James Arden. No argument. I just think. You know, when they made the trade, we're all like, wow, what a great trade because it was just like God. Like they got hardened. But then there was like this part of that was just like, oh, but they got hardened. I can't win the title now. And that just kind of like limited. I just. If they won. If they won the title, then it's not going to be a good one. If they won. If they won the title, how much would that change the idea of James Arden? If they want to title, how much of it would change the perception? Yeah. I mean, a little bit, but if you still have the rest of the history of failing, I don't think it would have changed much. I was like, you don't think so?

15:24I mean, to agree, you would have been able to say, well, yeah, at least he won one, but if there's still years and years of you. Whether you're going to play off, he doesn't do as much. I guess how he wins to like, is he winning it as the primary initiator of that Cavs offense? Or is he sort of, is he winning it? Riding the co-tales of Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley and I think you can ride the co-tales while also like as long as you don't have a bad series. And it's not like everybody's like, they won despite you. Right. If it's like hard and made a couple of big shots, did some stuff that would be like, it would be a pretty, I think you would change a ton. I just think the entire perception of him changes if he wins one. Yeah, just don't be the girl at the bachelor party who throws up. That's your job. Let's do some other ones. Assar Thompson, the inability to shoot for Detroit. Detroit has like John Collins. What? What about John? Not much of a history of doing things on the basketball court. I just agree. I think John's really good. I think John was great in Atlanta.

16:24I think John was good in Utah. I think John got stuck in bad situations. I think John is excellent. I think John's about the right things. Okay. But Assar, I think it's about the right things, but can't shoot. He just can't. He just cannot shoot. That's a tough way to think. The reality is like, here's the funny thing is like, what's one of the weakest links? It's like it's New York. It just is. Like we, we had questions about Brunson and Kat defensively. The entire time. Until they got the championship. And like they made it work and they made it happen. But I'm not, I'm not going to suddenly be like, oh no, they're suddenly good defensively. They're not. They just want to fight those weaknesses. Kat's good defensively in certain sets. But like I don't trust the next to be able to hold up that level of effort and performance and execution long term. Like they have serious liabilities defensively. Is where do you fall in that? Because they do win the championship despite like, do we even. Does account as a weak link? If they clearly have proven that they can win the championship despite it, I worry about.

17:29No, it's a little weak link. I mean, a weak link is just something that could be exploited. If you can overcome it as a team, it doesn't stop us from being a weak link. A weak link. You can't just say, oh, because we won. That we have no weak links. No, you still had a weak link. You just luckily and whatever that series was, you were able to overcome that shortcoming. What's Boston's. Right now. Everything we don't know who Boston is right now. Like for the first time in a while, we don't know who Boston is. Oh, wow. I feel like we absolutely know who Boston is. I don't think we can't like, like even like what if Tatum was 100% you like. Keep played last year. It was up and down. There was some aggression at the time. He looked good for some stretches. Not that could tell you this season. We don't know how Paul George is going to fit in. Even if he does, does he repeat the way he played when he was healthy last year? How healthy is he? There's that part of it. You're going to need more from Pritchard. More for some of the other. Guys like Derek White who shot to Derek White when he's able to do. Well, let's be clear. Derek White doesn't create his own shot at all. Like almost 90% of his offense is assisted. How much now with not playing off both Tatum and Brown? Is that going to be effective?

18:29There's a lot of questions that we have with Boston. Yeah, but I don't know what the weak link is. I think the weak link is honestly just like Joe Missoula's. The tendency to go towards Missoula ball with three point. Like that was what was really weird about that playoffs series versus the six years. The entire year they hadn't been as dependent on three pointers. And they got that series and we're back to let's just chuck it up and it was very weird. Like the whole series was very weird and you wonder what was going on behind the scenes after the Jalen Brown trade. I'm also just kind of like I have like so much faith in the system. And I do think these guys are kind of proven like we know Tatum. We know Pritchard. PG I think is being a little overstated in terms of his availability issues, where it's like guys, yeah, suspension for a long time last season for like a one off that he does not have a history of. I'm not saying that they don't have weak links, but I think the weak link is probably that on the that tendency to go into that Missoula side. West, what's Miami's? Well, I would say for Boston, I think their guard depth is problematic when you start getting until like Mike Conley at this stage. You get you have Pritchard and Derek White and that's really it.

19:29That's that's that spot. Miami's I would probably say if you're going to put a player to it would be Davie on Mitchell. Right. If you were looking at that starting five, it's like, okay, you kind of need a legitimate. Pick and roll handler if you're going to run an offense with the honest and the band and try to unlock those guys. I'm bullish on Davie on Mitchell. I think he's going to overcome it and have a career year. But if you're not as bullish as I am on him, I guess that's what you would point to when it's the last time that spoke coach to top 10 offense. Last time they had a top 10 offense was 2022, the first year with Kyle Lowry when you had a legitimate guy and people forget like Lowry was actually good for the heat that first year and a half and then aged took its toll. How good were they on offense in 22? I think they were barely top 10. Yeah, that sounds better. So like I have questions with the offense. I think still there's OKC have a week link because I think we want to say like on ball creation outside of shame. But like they were bad at that because AJ and J. Double out. I don't have one listed for OKC. I can think of one has.

20:30OKC, I do think like you're having players that are going to be thrust into like, yeah, case of all this is great. I think he'll be fine. But you have players into new roles with door to those guys being out. So I think you still have to look at that as a possible week link for them. Let me ask you as one more team before we get out of here. Philadelphia. With all of their additions. What would you consider if anything the six years week link? I think people have a lot of there's I've read I've read a lot of concern about their defense. I don't know how I feel about it yet. I kind of need to see it in action. Because a lot of it's like, well, you know, and beat is really limited in terms of what he can do. But I'm like, yeah, he's just going to play drop defense. It entirely depends on can your perimeter defenders do their job. And Maxie's decent. I would not say good. I would say decent browns decent to good. LeBron's decent to good. And Maxie, I think is decent to good. They have four decent to good defenders around and beat.

21:35And that's probably good enough for them to be a good defensive squad. I don't know who I have like a. I don't know that I have a weak spot with them. He's is and beat the weak link and Philadelphia. He has to be right. He's the he's the biggest question mark there. He's the biggest swing player like he's good and great. But like I do think right now it's fair to call him the biggest weakest link. It's he proves otherwise what he may this season. I also think that they're probably going to get hurt by Matt in the math game. They have so many mid range guys. They're just like they are so mid range indexed where I just feel like they're going to take a ton of mid range shots. And I don't necessarily trust nurse or think nurse has the authority to kind of overrule the superstar players. And they don't space appropriately. They're going to run into problems with teams that just bomb from three. That's still a thing in this league even though it's evolved outward. Do we want to put like a bow on this segment and just sort of name who we think after having talked about it. Maybe there's something that we haven't talked about here. Who is like the weakest link when you look at the contenders here. I don't know if anybody has like a strong opinion on this or not.

22:38I think he's I think he's nailed it with hardened. I just think they got to I mean it's really a hard man Mitchell they got two small guards. You know if you consider the nuggets one their defense is worse. So I don't that to the point where I don't know you can consider them contenders with that defense. I think everybody's got to I don't think that there's a team without a weak link. Okay, by the way, okay, he's is rebounding. That's the thing that kills them. Yeah, killed on the glass. Chad Hongren weak link. Yeah, that's good point. I'm going to go and be just because the health questions. I think if he's not available than the ceiling on the six. What the hell stuff in that. I mean it is what it is. I guess. Them's the facts. Peek off season content coming up next. I'm going to ask the guys which current NBA players game is going to age the worst when we look back on it 10 or 20 years from now. That is coming up next.

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24:40On September 25th. No one's coming for us. It's just you and me boy 58 miles. Part of the beast is the must see adventure of the year. An incredible story of survival. I got you one of the most extraordinary on screen bond you'll ever see only the greatest dog ever walk the earth. Brad Pitt. I'll get you home part of the beast lean theaters September 25th ready PG 13 maybe inappropriate for children under 13. Thanks again for making locked on NBA daily part of your daily routine and making the locked on podcast network your first listen every day. We are in the middle of September which means it's time for peak off season content which current stars game or career. Do you think ages either the best of the worst will start with the worst ages the worst 10 or 20 years from now what do you guys think.

25:44I'm going to go first and this one man. I'll go first. I don't think I don't think Jalen Brown age as well. I just don't. Yeah and it's like we had this whole conversation of it like this whole it's so impossible to get. I don't know if you on him right now because of where the conversation is that. I just don't know it's like he's got finals MVP and that's going to reflect well right maybe that saves him is just like well you won finals MVP but like we have had finals MVP's that I don't have have have stayed up historically. I feel the other way right that can almost be the lightning rod of wait why did we give Jalen Brown that final MVP again maybe. I think so there's guys that I think become underrated become underrated and then are more appreciated and there's guys that become overrated and become more really criticized and I think that that's very hard to kind of calibrate to a proper rating historically in 20 years.

26:49Like Moses Malone I think is actually underrated. But like he's a guy of everybody's like yeah he just like grabbed a bunch of his own rebounds and put it back and I'm like I don't know man he won two MVP's came to Philly and was the missing piece for a team that had not been able to get over the hump and they want a title in the 80s during bird magic like that that's a pretty strong resume to me. The other guy and the bases not going to be sparse I'm going to mention this look if aunt never puts together a title run what are we going to say about aunt. Interesting. Yeah I mean it's he still very you will see you always targeting aunt I don't you answer be the type of player that you like he works his butt off like I don't see the different the problem is that when I believe in a guy I set the bar really high. That's the difference is like I don't set the bar very high with certain players where I'm just like yeah they're fine like they're they're good right but if it's like you can be the face of this league I've seen you take over games and then you do you have problems consistently doing that and you can plan about getting double teamed like I set the bar very high for you like my bar for Anthony Edwards is not the same as it is for I don't know a number of like a whole bunch of guys like I don't have a lot of

28:10expectations that high for Cooper flag yet because I'm like I don't know what you are yet kid like I don't know I don't know what you are yet I don't have expectations for Cooper flag I don't know who he is yet phenomenal rookie season don't know but like aunt I've seen him in playoff situations I've seen him lead as TV the Western conference finals and once you get there I'm like okay so you can do this so we're going to hold you up here and that's that I think is the way that I kind of go about it. That's fair. Uh it's shea shea's game is going to age great. I just think it will I think when you look at like his ability to draw fows I know Matt's going to call it grifting it is what it is is probably only to get better as he ages like to be honest with you and while you know and you know that part's going to age and while maybe the athleticism goes down I think that what he's able to do just with this length and the size that he has that's going to maintain for a while so I think shea's game is going to age he's probably going to whatever she's prime is whatever that ends up with you. Whatever that ends up max now being you could maybe you can make the conversation that it is now he's probably going to hold that for eight to 10 years at that point. Man this is that's a good question because like I think the I think if they're really good interesting part of that is like if OK sees defense becomes mortal at any point if they're institutional infrastructure that's allowed them to have so much depth and so much talent and such a cohesive system.

29:29Do we still look at him and he's still going to be dropping 30 every night she's still going to drop 30 he will be as good he will be as good at what he does now in the future I agree with Hayes on that. But how will we view it if he's just doing that and the winds aren't there because of the defense. This is where I have a hard time with Shay because I don't view him as the engine that I do y'allness Luca. Yo, I don't view him as that type of engine and he's not the difference maker when he is defensively so this is like something I've really wrestled with which is how do you square the incredible amount of success that he has had. And how good he is at scoring an efficiency with not being that type of engine and the team winning so much because of the defense I think it's a really interesting question. Can I throw one at you guys that could potentially age poorly and I hate that I'm even saying it. Go go.

30:30Look at Donchich. I was going to ask that I was literally going to ask it the numbers are crazy in terms of scoring. But if you were looking 10 years from now. The numbers are great but like if you're looking at the efficiency stats the shooting percentages aren't necessarily that high. The 3 point shooting percentages are necessarily that high and I almost wonder like is there like a Carmelo and then any type of outcome for Luca Donchich if he never wins a title where the numbers are just crazy. He's high up on all of these like all time career scoring list but we're like defensively he was a negative. We have sort of questions about off the court if he was really about it. And never want to title and the shooting percent and he was like a volume shooter. I think these things are unfair but I do wonder if he never wins the title 10 years 15 years from now that we look at it that way. I think it's absolutely fair. How do you argue it's not fair? The last part I said that he was just like a volume shooter because I don't think that's Lucas game. I don't think I would qualify him as a volume shooter. He's also a great playmaker and all these other things.

31:31I don't find okay some of me ask you something who makes his teammates better Tyree's Halberton or Luca Donchich. You will never I'm taking Tyree's Halberton. I brought up Luca for a reason. Yeah, so it's like this is my problem is like Luca is this quote unquote phenomenal playmaker. I do not find him to be somebody who makes guys better. I just don't he generates assists which is different from making guys better. I will go even further on this he's 27. Yeah, we're so used to thinking of Luca is young he's 27. He's has Luca Donchich's career of in disappointing so far. No. Yes, absolutely. Yes, came in as Euroleague MVP at 19 was supposed to be like the chosen one was a preseason MVP favorite four times. Has it won? No titles. One finals appearance. One Western conference title.

32:31Just complete fluke but that's another subject for another day. And a conference finals appearance because the sun's got covid. I sound like a hater. I'm just like this is really what I think again the bars high here. Right. Like if we judge Luca on the on the basis of other guys who are high volume dudes like Luca Donchich is the Michael Jordan of branded ingromes. The other thing about Luca why is his game may or age poorly when we kind of look back on it. Like the highlights don't pop right here's nothing like the big dunks. Like he when you're watching Luca and he's in his bag like he's totally in the zone and he scores like 30 points and a half. You're just like I don't know that anybody's ever played basketball better than this right. Yeah. But I don't know that then necessarily like I don't know how you capture that. In a tick-tock video you know what I mean so when we start like looking back on his career with highlights and stuff like that. I don't necessarily think the highlights will do Luca's career justice either. I kind of think this is the pick.

33:31For worst. Who will age worst I think he's got so much like to the haze of points got time. You know if the Lakers. They did it does not look at like it right now. But like let's just be honest when the next superstar falls in their lap mysteriously. Right. And Luca rattles off two titles in four years. Then it changes. They changes. You got to do the thing. Like that's just like what probably happens. The I've long said the arc of the end of the arc of NBA history bends towards the Lakers. Yeah. I mean and I think there's a fair question asked who well Matt makes a valid point that only made it to one NBA finals. It's like if they actually had a competent GM that didn't think let me trade my star and say let's build off of a final's appearance. Where could you be? Yeah. I thought they were going to be great the next season. It's done of a Mitchell just going to be completely forgotten. He feels like this might be unfair but he feels like a little Gilbert arena see.

34:31Somewhere between Alan Irvingson and Gilbert arena in the sense that like like like well. I don't mean as far as impact on the court. I mean just how their careers are looked at over never winning a title. There are some people who legitimate when you bring AI up is one of the greatest. They will respond that he never won a title. Yeah. It's actually the key to better playmaker than either of those guys. I do think that Donovan is just going to kind of get forgotten. He's going to be in yet another one of those shooting guards that had such an incredible career. And just no one. Remember that guy he was really good. Yeah. I never was like oh yeah. That's why I kind of brought up Gilbert arena. I mean, Donovan Mitchell has been better for much longer than Gilbert. Reenis was like a quick peek and then that was really it and then a lot of other stuff happened. But it kind of feels like that where like you look back on the record. You're like, oh who are the leading scorers between like 2018 and 2026. You're like, oh right, Donovan Mitchell, he was a bucket. I know a laid back guy to get this one in. Please. Kauai.

35:31Yeah. Like his entire look, if they if he does not win another title with this Raptors team. Is like the first line of his career now is going to be this clippers think. Yep. Is it my wrong on that haze or is that prisoner at the moment? No, I think I think this fear. That's a great for Kauai. I don't think he cares very much. Yeah, he's got all that money. You know, Do you like what you heard today? Subscribe to lock that NBA daily wherever you get your podcasts, including on YouTube. Thanks to Matt and Hayes for their expertise every day. Thank you for making the Lockdown podcast network your first listen. We'll see you back here next week for more Lockdown NBA daily. Not every sale happens at the register before AT&T business wireless customer check out Would take too long and create awkward delays at one point completing a transaction felt less like making a sale and more like a staring contest no one wanted to win.

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