
About this episode
What does the Catholic Church look like after Francis? As Pope Leo XIV completes his first two months on the Chair of Peter, Catholics worldwide are carefully watching for signs of where this pontificate might lead. In this wide-ranging conversation with Crisis Magazine editor Eric Sammons, we explore the subtle but significant shifts already visible in Rome.
Following years of controversy and division under Pope Francis, Leo's relatively "boring" papacy has provided a welcome reprieve for many Catholics. While maintaining certain elements of his predecessor's messaging around synodality, Leo has simultaneously embraced traditional forms of Catholic piety that had been marginalized in recent years. His use of Latin in prayer, participation in Eucharistic processions, and embrace of traditional vestments represent meaningful departures from the previous pontificate, sending important signals to faithful Catholics worldwide.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn as we discuss Diane Montagna's bombshell reporting confirming what many had suspected – that Traditionis Custodes, Francis's controversial restriction on the Latin Mass, was built on misrepresented data. The document claimed widespread episcopal support for restrictions that simply didn't exist, raising profound questions about trust and transparency that the new pontificate must now navigate.
Beyond papal politics, we dive into generational dynamics within Church leadership, with many "boomer" bishops maintaining an emotional attachment to Vatican II that younger clergy don't necessarily share. This generational transition promises to reshape Catholic identity in the coming decades as a new wave of leadership emerges.
Whether you're deeply invested in these ecclesiastical questions or simply curious about where Catholicism is headed, this conversation offers valuable perspective on finding balance amid transition. Subscribe and join us as we continue exploring the challenges and opportunities facing Catholics in our complex modern landscape.
Get 10% off an amazing Black Monk Rosary by going to https://www.blackmonkrosaries.com/?ref=AVOIDINGBABYLON and using code AVOIDINGBABYLON at checkout!
Check out our sponsor, Nic Nac, at www.nicnac.com and use code "AB25%" for 25% off of your first order!
Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1
https://www.avoidingbabylon.com
Merchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com
Locals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.com
Full Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribe
RSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rss
Get every episode summarized
Each time Avoiding Babylon publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
Hosts & guests
No transcript yet
This episode has not been transcribed. Request it and it moves to the front of the queue.
More episodes
More from Avoiding Babylon

Pope Leo Responds as Trump and MAGA Declare War on Catholics
Avoiding Babylon

Did Tucker Just Call Trump the ANTICHRIST? And Pope Leo Makes Waves
Avoiding Babylon

Just Became Catholic? Here's What To Do Your First Year
Avoiding Babylon

Pax Judaica: The Empire of Spectacle w/ Dr. Deep State
Avoiding Babylon