Perseverance: Built her dream while in prison, now building STEM careers for Black girls.

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human Welcome aboard season 6 of The Girlfriends. Flight or fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch. But you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Little Richard. And we pull apart the story behind the image, discovering forgotten interviews that change exactly how we see these giants of our culture. We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes.

1:02Miami-Manel Jochi, At Kai Wright, and this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patre Mathers and her husband Michael, mailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know they had died by suicide. Dear Hunnies, this is goodbye. By the time you get the shalliter book, Petra and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? Listen to Death of an Artist on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What up this J Valentine co-host of the R&B Money Podcasts alongside my brother, R&B Legend, tank. Together we've built a space for artists, executives, and fans of R&B music to reminisce and tell the real stories behind the music. I have no money, I was hood famous. They think you're gonna get everybody out. We lived in a project, and real love came out.

2:02They hear them music, and we had nothing. From Smokey Robinson to Mary J. Blige, V2K to Jill Scott. If you're a super dedicated R&B fan, this is where you belong. Listen to R&B Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, Here's the Thing. I talk to actor, Stephen Root. I'm a people watcher. You see that guy going down the drain though? Yeah, I can use that. An open igloo co-founder, Alia Muhammad. I love staying on top of what is going on in our city, what is on renters' minds. And taking all of that knowledge to build a platform, that hopefully is going to make New York City better in the long run. Listen to Here's the Thing on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my show. I'm Richa McDonnell, the host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Where we encourage people to stop reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now you don't want to miss an episode, so please take a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversations Masterclass.

3:07It's free. You can follow me on the I Heart Radio app, Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. New Money Making Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you on alert because my guests provide tips on how you can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation or advice on how to be successful entrepreneur. Now let's get this podcast started. My next guest rose from incarceration to receiving the president lifetime achievement award. She built a company in the cleaning industry and also provides architectural and construction camps inspired the next generation of architects and builders through design experiences. Let's hear our story and the inspiration that changed her life. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Robin Donaldson. How you doing, Robin? I am amazing. I am amazing. Well, Robin, I talked to you offline and you got a lot of energy. So I'm going to get that same energy to think because you were, I'm amazing.

4:07That was kind of low key. I'm expecting that. There you go. Now, Robin, where are you based at? I'm in Tampa, Florida. Born and raised down in Tampa, Florida. Born and raised. Tell me about your life growing up. I said, not to name conservation part, just a part when you grew up in a potential college in your life. Talk about your life as a teenager. Well, my life as a teenager was really sheltered. So I grew up in a very strict religious household. And education was not something that was even really spoke of. And so for me, I went to a trade school where I learned industrial electricity. And so that is really where the love of construction came from. As a result of me graduating, I did have an opportunity to attend Georgia Tech

5:07because I was the first female to complete that program. However, again, my mom, she was very religious and they did not believe in going off to college. She felt that you know, a trade was sufficient and that I needed to get to work. So trade versus going to Georgia Tech? I didn't go off to college. I just got a job locally with the electrical fund. And that's where I learned, you know, more hands on about industrial electricity. After a couple of jobs, I decided, I didn't want to man out in the sun. Thank you. And so, and actually, I had a double. Right, right. And I'm talking about being in small quarters. It was that was not what I wanted to do for the long term. So I changed my focus to Banna Harris Dallas.

6:08I had got my license for cosmetology and for barbary. And for a while, I was doing hair. And that was until I got connected with my kids father. Actually, that's one of the reasons how I ended up in jail. Now you're coming to this relationship. When did your values change? The land you've been incarcerated? Was it easy money? Was it the thought process that, hey, I was just going to do it for a little bit and get out. Talk to his Robin. Well, in order for you to understand, I would have to back it up. Let's back it up. So because I was in such a restrictive household, right? Okay. The moment I graduated, I had my certificate in one hand and I had my luggage in the next. I had to give away. And so from that, I ran to the arms of an older guy. And he happened to be a drug dealer.

7:11And things just really spirited out. I mean, for me, selling drugs from hell to using drugs to making stupid decisions in the way of using my account to harbor money to write checks. So I was just really running for in one situation to the other. And being with that, my kids father, I was involved in a lot of illegal activity that finally caught up to me. And as a result, I did go to prison. Okay. Now, how many children did you have at the time when you went to prison? I had two kids and I was pregnant with one. Now, when you say the word drug dealer, that's such a broad word, you know, you could say that people who are these pharmaceutical companies are drug dealers, the way they got to pay out these money. But you are not alone the lives of the street. What type of drugs were you guys selling? Crack cocaine.

8:12And you are a user. Yes, I was. And I was a good person. And I was very smart. That you would not say to yourself very smart young lady. This is not good. I was a bit smart. Now I thought I was book smart, but street smart. I had no idea. I was looking for love. I was looking for a father figure. And that is what I received. And so you are I'm pretty sure you are a mentor. You communicate your story to young ladies who you don't know to see go down the same path. You went down robin. How do you connect with them? By keeping it real. At one time I was shame. I was shame to tell my story. And then also to talk about all of the mental, verbal abuse that I had to undergo just the just in the name of love. I really get some crazy things like from the abuse. I thought that was his way of showing me that he loved me to the point that I would instigate an argument so he can work my background.

9:15Stay with us more money making conversation master class coming up next. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman. And this is an unsheep Hivitz, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots like Para Olympian Alley Truett. I was like, I'm on my out from a shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very long text advocate Elizabeth smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference. So I'm gonna keep going. Celebrity chef Carla Hall was that scary to walk away from such a stable career after just two years? No, I was more afraid of being unhappy than I was broke and in a dead and job that I didn't enjoy. And feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives. We need a meeting place of our own. And if I can contribute to that, I'd like to maintain that and leave this house for that purpose.

10:17Listen to she pivots on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to money making conversation master class hosted by me, Roshan McDonnell. Money making conversation master class continues online at moneymakingconversations.com and follow money making conversation master class on Facebook, X and Instagram. Now I ate that stupid. Uh huh. No. Now, when you got incarcerated, you said you were pregnant at two children. Okay, so before I got incarcerated before it, because I had to turn myself in. I was affluting the authorities until I had my door because I did not want to have my daughter in the penitentiary. So after I gave birth and I was cleared, I turned myself in. Now, you have your child, you turn yourself in. How many years were you incarcerated? Five. Five years. Was there, did you get out early through probation or you did the entire sentence?

11:18I did the entire sentence. Now, I've asked the question, did you learn anything while you were in prison? That's what it all changed. Talk to me. I had time to say, I had time to explore. I had an opportunity to advance my education. While in prison? While in prison. When you say advanced education, tell us about what level of education you advanced to. Associate degrees. So for me, prison was very hard and I spent a lot of time in concern. And I made the best use of confinement. I'm confined for 23 hours. I go out for hour. My time, my days was meditating and learning. Then I had guards. We became very, very close. A couple of them, they were attending their local community college and I would assist them with their books.

12:18And I'm sure I'm able to read their books. So if I'm going to help two of you on business, well, guess what? I know business. Well, I'm talking about when Donaldson she went from a incarceration to being honored by the president with her lifetime achievement award. And all she does camps, mentoring camps for youth and architecture and a instruction design in the area of Tampa, Florida. She's not only turned her life around, but now she's turning other young people's lives around. And she's really a teller story. That's why she's on money making conversation, master glass of day, to tell our story. She's not trying to hype her situation. She's trying to convey from an authentic matter that you don't live the life that she lived. But if you live this life, you can't turn your life around. And that's the story I want to tell on the show today, Rob. You turn in your life around. Now, when you got out of prison, you learned a lot while you were in prison, Robin, was there steps as you were seeing your day come up prepared for the exit.

13:21Well, at the time, I didn't really have an exit plan and the exit plan came when I learned how to strip in both floors in prison at the highest level. I mean, the floors of glass, right? So what I did, I took that knowledge, did they ask you to do that? Or you just stepped it up? Okay. So you want to get back to that story. Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. Why are you doing it at this level? What I know, you could have just done it at this level. Okay. So let's see. You want to know the story story. Just mail. Because I again, I frequent confinement a lot. Right. And it was one incident where I was allowed to be released to the Crown Parallel. And the Wharton had stopped me. He said, Ms. L.A. Donaldson, you have a problem with, you know, instigating things on the compound.

14:26He said, I got, I got a solution for you. While everybody's to leave, I'm going to put you all through it. See, if you go strip and wax, the administrator, build it. Right. All right. So again, that is where I learned how to strip, wax, and book floors. Like no other. All the third shift. On the third shift when everybody was sleep, when the compound was open, I was sleep. So, so he saw your true gift was to stop you from having personal contact and put you to work with everybody else's sleep. And when everybody was up, you were asleep. Yes, sir. Now, as you came out because I mentioned in your intro, you have, you have a cleaning business. But when you come out, we know that's not an easy exit. You know, you have three children out there waiting on you. What was the man of your life at that point? Was he still in your life?

15:27He was doing time as well. Okay. Cool. So you came out by yourself, basically. How did you start getting those feet, putting those feet down on that concrete and start walking forward? Like you know, you belong there. Talk to me, Robert. So what happened was I was able to get a work release. It was six months prior to my release date. They allowed me to go to a work release program where I would be local, not in prison. It's a halfway house. Transitioning. There you go. A transition in. And in one of the requirements is you had to have a job. So right up the street, there was a homewood suite by Hilton, right? And I applied. And that's where I learned how to clean at the highest level. Hilton is by far one of the cleanest chains that I know. And again, learning how to clean at the highest level. Plus knowing how to strip wax and buzz at the highest level.

16:30And it only made sense for me to be a cleaning service. I really like listening to you because that's the story. That's a smile on your face. Because that makes you good at it. It's always great to be good at something. You know, I'm going to take the word out. I'm not saying good. She smiled because she's great at it. Because she uses the word highest level. She's never used to it. I'm undermining her talents and I apologize. She kept using the word I learned at the highest level. I bumped at the highest level. And I was like, you know, those skills you recognize were different from everybody else. Because you put in more effort. Are you just naturally talented at it? It was part of a big of plan. When I came home, I said, I opened the cleaning service. But the ultimate goal was to be into the construction industry. That has been the overarching goal. And what better way to get into the construction industry is by cleaning the construction trailers. I mean, because that's where all the decision makers are.

17:32That's where all the action happens. And so I started cleaning trailers. Then I developed relationships. And then they had me do an final clean, post-construction clean. Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more money making conversations. Masterclass. Now I need for you to do me a favor. Right now, you'll follow or subscribe to money making conversation. It's free. And you can find it on the iHard Radio app. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Please do me that favor. Follow or subscribe. Money making conversations. That call was really pivotal for me. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman. And this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points that changed everything. I sit down with culture shifting women who share their pivots like Para Olympian Alley Truett. I was like, I'm on out from a shark attack. There's no way in 11 months I'm making the very little index. Advocate Elizabeth Smart.

18:32I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference. So I'm going to keep going. Celebrity chef Carla Hall was that scary to walk away from such a stable career after just two years? No. I was more afraid of being unhappy than I was broke and in a dead and job that I didn't enjoy. And feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives. We need a meeting place of our own. And if I can contribute to that, I'd like to maintain that and leave this house for that purpose. Listen to She Pivots on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. 30 years ago, an island off Manhattan almost brought down New York City. Who will you trust? Your friends and neighbors? Who will you trust the people five miles overseas? This is a story about neighbors turning on each other. And what happens when a forgotten place decides it's had enough. We reached for a feeling that exists in this city.

19:35But we're not stopping early! I'm Ben that of Half-Rate. And for my new series on revisionist history, I took a deep dive in the Staten Island's attempt to secede from New York City in the 1990s. And what it all has to do with the politics of resentment that dominate America today. Listen to revisionist history, the Staten Island problem on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Jay Valentine. I've spent my career on the executive side of this industry, multi-platinum songs, building artists and building business. And alongside my brother Tank, the superstar R&B singer, songwriter and producer, we've created something special, the R&B Money Podcasts. This is not just a podcast. It's a safe space where artists, executives and fans of R&B music come to reminisce. Pull back the curtain and tell the stories that shaped this culture, the real history behind the hits.

20:36That was hood famous. Yeah. And then real love came out and it blew up. We lived in a project. Yeah, and they were seeing all the success. They hear them music. And we had nothing. We're covering the entire spectrum from Smokey Robinson, Alicia Keys, B2K, Mary J. Blige, Legends, Current Stars and everyone who's contributed to the sound of R&B. You come out the gate with a hit. And then not Michael Jackson out of number one. Come on, man. I was like, hold on. I'm not gonna M.J. out of the number one spot. If you're a super dedicated R&B fan who wants the real discovery, the real stories, this is your podcast. This is the R&B Money Podcasts. Listen to R&B Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Well, it's that time again. Backpacks, first day at school outfits, and the low key anxiety of... It might've been doing this right. Good mom's bad choices is diving into the back to school season. The way only we know how. Unfiltered, funny, and full of the moments, other shows won't touch.

21:39From surviving morning drop-offs to the guild of missing the first bake sale. I already told me the sheet next season she wants to join a club team that's by your house. So I was like, so you want me to pick you up from school. I'll take you by my house, but then I have to take you there. And then I have to drive back. And then some days I'm here, and I have to go pick you up at school and then bring you... I was just like... Hell no. This is the space where moms trade their highlight reel for the real reel. Whether you're a new mom, a veteran mom, or just trying to make it to pick up on time. This season of Good Mom's bad choices is for you. Listen to Good Mom's bad choices from the Black Effect Podcast Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Did you think you were the only one? No matter what you did, it was never good enough for your mother. Yeah. I'm Jennifer Arnees, and we're talking about that and more on the Black Mother Wound Podcast. We rush to accommodate other people when we have been hurt and we have not healed.

22:44Our hurt has not been healed. We're going there. On the Black Mother Wound Podcast, we center the stories of Black women as we heal and unpack how the painful relationship with our mother impacts our choices, decisions, and life in every way. These are the conversations your inner little girl has been waiting for. We're going to go deep, cry a little, or a lot, and yeah, laugh too, because baby. Listen to the Black Mother Wound Podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by me, Roshan McDonnell. Money Making Conversations Masterclass continues online at moneymakingconversations.com and follow Money Making Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, X, and Instagram. And from that, that is how I was able to secure the contract for the Tampa Convention set.

23:45Congratulations. I had three shifts, three shifts with 65 employees. And then from that, I was selected by the NFL as the premium cleaning company for the Super Bowl and Tampa, Florida. They liked the job that I did so well. They called me back for the NFL kickoff. From that, I was on the news, Channel 13. I get a phone call. Somebody said, I'm calling from home Depot. I want to make you a distributor. I said, I'm getting pranked at something right now. Like, how did you get my number? He said, I saw you on the news and we wanted to follow the money trail. And as a result of that, I'm a distributor for Home Depot. So now all of the clients that I clean for, now I supply them with their supplies and their paper products. Now Robin, first of all, you've been incarcerated for five years.

24:45How do you get past that? I'm sure that's a trust factor that people, a stereotype, you're black on drugs and incarcerated five years. How do you start getting past those negative points that stop a lot of people? I start with it. Like, I don't tip to around it. I mean, that is not a selling point, but it's nothing that I'm ashamed of either. So for a long time, I would never use my government name because I didn't want anyone doing any type of research. But I don't care. This is who I am. Right. And it was one superintendent who told me something. He says, Robin, that's what you were or not who you are. And he said, there is nobody walking, leaving breathing that does not have a family member or have been affected by such. But you are a sterling example of what you could, what you were, what you could be.

25:45And I'll stick it for what it was. And so again, I have no problem introducing myself as inmate 475 911 because that's not who I am today. And if you want to stick to what I was, when maybe we're not, we don't need to work together. And that's just how it is in your breathing days. How are you securing jobs and as RMP? They call it a request for a proposal. Right. What does that look like? What did you have to submit? So it's, oh, I start before the RFP ever comes out. So to be very frank, it's like playing chess instead of playing checkers. When an RFP hits the streets, right, you have to maybe a mom to respond depending on the scope of work. I don't, I don't want to, I don't wait for those opportunities. I know, first of all, I have a goal. I have a plan as to who I would like to work with in the type of work that I want to do.

26:53So I study those individuals. I understand what the forecast looks like for them. And I'm going to go ahead and develop the relationships. So when opportunities do arise, my name, Renew Constructors Services is the first one on your tone. You're going to notify me. And then also I attend events and understanding again, the forecast of a house projects. And again, cultivating those relationships. And that's how I am able to secure most of the contracts. But I think that something else that I learned in prison and it's the art of collaboration. Because one thing I do, I do not play small. However, I understand my limitations and my strengths. So one thing that I have done is other smaller construction companies that are looking to scale.

27:54I will respond to a large RFP that would require me collaborating with smaller fellows. Right? And so now they have an opportunity to put on their resume that they have done or are as a part of a project of such magnitude. Now, when at your Juvenblast? How do you share those blessings with the young people and the community of hell? Every time I can get the ear of a youth, I import something, some nugget. However, the focus or the majority of the impact would be through the nonprofit, which is called Stimic Sposure. The Stimic Sposure is a non-profit whose mission is to expose black girls to unrepresented STEM careers as it relates to architecture, construction, beauty, sports.

29:02I could honestly say that after I did start my business, I had a mentor and my mentor, her name is Amic Mill, down in South Florida. She's an amazing individual. She took me around the country and exposed me to different facets of construction until I found my calling. And that is the same thing that I do to others. Basically, I encourage people to bring their talents to the construction industry. So whatever it is, you're good at it. Let's see how it applies to the construction industry. And then from that, I also teach the construction trade. So is all about whether you are a third through 12th grader or you are an adult, I'm going to inspire you one way or the other. You rose from a incarceration to getting the prisoners lifetime achievement award. Now, it wasn't about getting the contract for an NFL, the Tampa, or the Tampa Convention Center, or all your all your legacy that you created.

30:07It's about those kids that you change and those girls who you're inspiring to pursue STEM opportunities. That's what makes you special when you got the presidential award. Did you understand that? I don't think you understand that, we shall. The same agency that locked me up was the same agency that gave me a presidential lifetime achievement award and I'm appalled on that one. Don't pause. Keep speaking because there was pain and fear. There was tired to that agency. Now there was celebration and hope. There was tired to that same agency. That's why I don't have to pause because I know when you go out the front door, sometimes go out that back door and say house. That's why I want to enter you because we all got these stories out here because your story is going to your movie. I'm just letting you know that. Don't know movie now because you're because you were combative and jailed at the, you know, you didn't get along with nobody.

31:12It puts you in confinement all the time. That means that you didn't talk nobody couldn't about tell you nothing. You were just robbing all hated dogs. That's who you were. But somebody saw some menu. Put you on that third shift and the rest is history. Rest is history. So what's the future for robbing? Well, remember I told you in the beginning to hold the overarching goal was to be a contractor and you know start my construction company. And I am glad to say that 2019 is when actually we started the construction company and I always knew what it was going to be. So I named it as such renew construction services. We are licensed rule first. We are licensed contractors and architectural designers. Now I can pause now I'm pause and now because you know you got that little smirk. Well, I'm a taste of I wish I was like this.

32:17All of you I would remember I wish I was last like you are five and because you're just so calm about it. But you know the hard work been put in place. Where will you celebrate robin or you've not at the finish line yet. Well, I celebrate all the time. I celebrate my little wins, but I'm going to tell you which one it had the most impact. Okay. When I was able to put my bills on auto pay. Yes. Let me know that I was doing some. Which is very smart by the way. And you know it's it's a piece of piece. He's like I don't have to even think about my bills like that gives me space to think about other creative things that I need to do. But that was again something that I struggled with. You know robin call to pay Peter not knowing how I was going to. But to now know that I can financially sustain myself not have to worry. Hey, Robin, you have a foundation. Can we tell everybody how they can find your foundation?

33:21Still exposure. WWDY. S-T-E-M-X-P-O-S-U-R-E.org. Cool. Now, what about your business? If you're just going to go down and see this great business and learn more about you. Robin, don't let tell us your website. That would be www.renewconstructionservices.com. Would that be renewed or EW or you? Are any W? There you go. My friend. I know you were recommended to come on my show. I've never had a guest like you on my show. Which is always a new experience for me, which is good for me. Because there's so many paths in life that people deal with to be successful or to achieve happiness. I'm seeing both happiness and success. And more importantly, to be recognized for a lifetime achievement award for this work that you do in the community.

34:27And how you turned your life around and became becoming an ex paying hiring individual. This recognizes from the NFL to the center of Tampa. Congratulations, Robin. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening to this episode. Now I need for you to do me a favor. Right now, you'll follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversation. It's free. And you can find it on the iHartRadio app, Spotify, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please do me that favor. Follow or subscribe, Money Making Conversations. Keep winning. Welcome aboard season six of the Girlfriends Flight or Fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch. But you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have.

35:28Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to the Girlfriends Flight or Fight on the iHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In February of 2024, celebrated illustrator and children's book author, Patre Mathers, and her husband Michael, mailed letters to dozens of friends and family members to let them know they had died by suicide. Dear honey's, this is goodbye. By the time you get the shalliter of both petr and I will be dead. Next stop, Wonderland. Why did they do it? And what did it do to the people they left behind? Listen to death of an artist on the iHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Big Lives, we take a single cultural icon. People like Jane Fonda, George Michael, Little Richard. And we pull apart the story behind the image, discovering forgotten interviews that change exactly how we see these giants of our culture.

36:31We're here for the messy, the brilliant, the human version of our heroes. I'm Emmanuel Jochi. I'm Kai Wright. And this is Big Lives. Listen to Big Lives on the iHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing I talk to actor, Stephen Root. I'm a people watcher. You see that guy going down the drain though? Yeah, I can use that. And open igloo co-founder, Alia Muhammad. I love staying on top of what is going on in our city, what is on renters minds. And taking all of that knowledge to build a platform that hopefully is going to make New York City better in the long run. Listen to hears the thing on the iHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What up this J Valentine co-host of the R&B Money Podcasts alongside my brother, R&B Legend, tank. Together we've built a space for artists, executives, and fans of R&B music to reminisce and tell the real stories behind the music.

37:31I have no money. I was hood famous. They think you're going to get everybody out. We lived in a project and real love came out. They hear them music and we had nothing. From Smokey Robinson to Mary J. Blige, B2K to Jill Scott. If you're a super dedicated R&B fan, this is where you belong. Listen to R&B Money from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.