Paul Rodriguez Explains Why Social Media Made Skating Progress EXPLODE | DSH #1804

0:00When I started skating, it was pre-social media and a skateboard video would come out and we would live off that skateboard video for like a year or two until the next big skateboard video came out. So content wasn't dropping as fast. So we would sit with these videos that we had for a year or so and study them, rewind them, pause, slow most, try to learn all the tricks that your favorite pros are doing. Okay, guys got Paul out here in Los Angeles on the show. Great to meet you, my man. Great to meet you too. Thanks for having me. Yeah, what's new in your world right now? Just actually my new sneaker just dropped two days ago on the 13th. Oh nice. And so I guess that's the newest, yeah, my P-Rod 1 Nike SB Retro release. You guys are sick. Thank you, yes. I'm definitely rocked those, I'll compare them. Thank you brother. They're online or? Yeah, online. Well actually on the 16th they drop like all over online, all the stores, on the 13th they just dropped in selected skate shops. Nice.

1:02And so tomorrow they'll drop like full drop. See that's awesome. What goes into launching a sneaker? I'm sure a lot of work. Well, this was good because it's a retro shoe. This is my first shoe and this came out in 2005. So we just re-released it now for the 20 year anniversary. So it wasn't as much, at least not for me. For the designers, it was a lot of work because I did not know this, but Nike doesn't keep their shoe molds after five years. Like if they stop making a shoe, they get rid of it after five years because these molds are huge and they're heavy. And with all the shoes that Nike makes, they would have nowhere to store all these molds. Wow. So after five years they get rid of them. So the designers, uh, didn't have the molds so they couldn't just make them on demand. So we had to take, luckily I had some pairs saved in storage and they had to take them, cut them open and like reverse engineer them and recreate the shoe. Holy crap. Yeah. So for them it was actually harder to make, remake this shoe again than it was just to make a shoe from scratch. Not nuts. Yeah. So for me, it wasn't so much work. For them, shout out to those guys because they worked hard and

2:08made it happen. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure that's a big part of the business, right? Apparel speakers, sneakers, apparel, uh, you know, product. Yeah. Yeah. And our world, that's really, that's really where we make our living. Yeah, because the money is not in the competitions, right? Not really. Now competition money these days are, it's pretty low. There was a period there where it was like, you know, you could win 100, 150 grand in the street league contests. Um, but I just think they couldn't sustain that kind of level of payout. Yeah. They couldn't sustain it. So I think it's down back to like 20, 25 grand, which is of course a nice little payday for the day, but just for your everyday bills. Yeah. Because you got to travel, you got to train all those costs, the food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just, um, it's, it's, it's too hard to do it just off contest. But if you, if you're winning contest consistently, you'll get sponsors. So that, that's where all the skaters, you know, make their, make their money because you get a sneak response

3:08or a clothing sponsor. So you're just helping to push product and, when did that start happening for you? Was it after that first X Games win or was it for that? No, it was early for me. I was very lucky. Um, um, I, I turned pro at 17. And I was like, you know, back then skateboarding wasn't as big as it is now. I mean, there was the X games. It wasn't as big a deal as it later became, but it was just kind of like a small core industry. And we had like our few brands that were just basically in our, like our few sneaker brands that weren't like mainstream clothing brands, board brands. So at the time, I, I was with this company called S. A lot of people might notice ES. And, um, that was like my first big sponsor. And then I got sponsored by, um, a couple of different board brands, but the biggest one was like Girl, Skateboards. And then later on, once I won X Games and started getting known in that world, that's when I got sponsors like Mountain Dew and Target and AT&T. Yeah, those came along after

4:10that. So, um, but I was fortunate enough to wear like I was doing pretty well sponsor wise before I started, um, doing contest. Wow. Yeah. And that was a pretty new lane at the time, right? Like, that wasn't really a lip considered living. Yeah. I mean, it still is hard. The skate industry is hard to make a living. It's like, you know, you have your handful of guys that do very well. Yeah. And then you have your majority of guys who are like just doing good enough to get by. And then you have a whole bunch of them who are like, you know, still have jobs, get some money from skating, but still work and are figuring out other ways. You see that in a lot of solo sports. Like in tennis, I heard the same. Like if you're not in the top 10, you're not making millions. And then if you're not in the top, like I think 300, you're not even making six figures. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's definitely, these are definitely, like passion sports for sure. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure all sports are. It just happens to be that skateboarding for some reason, just the industry isn't big enough to support as many people who are trying to get into it. Mm. That's interesting. Because there's definitely a big audience.

5:12It's a huge audience. And it's crazy because it's like the fastest growing sport among kids from like, you know, six to 12. Oh, even right now. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, my theory is that it's just it's hard to understand from a general viewer. Like I can watch a football game and not really know the like specific rules, but I know that like once they get into the touchdown zone, they score. Right. Or I can watch a basketball game and not understand the technicalities, but I know it's a two pointer. And then past the line, it's a three pointer. And you know, when it goes in, they score. But with skateboarding, it's hard to tell because it's subjective. You can see a trick. You might not understand why it was difficult. You don't know if it was switch or nolly or fakie. Some people might notice like, if it's just big and dangerous, they're like, wow, that guy went high in the sky. That must be really good. Or that guy did a big rail. That must be really good. But it's kind of a language that you have to learn. You have to like know what stance a guy is. Um, and that kind of like the name of the trick. So the average viewer,

6:15if they don't understand the language of the trick, they probably won't get drawn into it unless they're an enthusiast. That's such a good point. Yeah. Because I think people love sports because they can relate to it. Yeah. Like in basketball and soccer, whatever people play that growing up, right? They can relate to the difficulty of what they're seeing. Yeah. But with skateboarding, I never skateboarded. So when I see someone do a trick, it's like, oh, that's sick, but I can't kind of relate. Yeah, you actually don't know exactly what's being done, right? You know, so like, you might see a guy do a technical trick, say on a ledge, right? Which doesn't look dangerous, but it's probably a lot more difficult to do consistently than it might be to see a guy jump off a big set of stairs. Yeah. You know, but the big set of stairs are more flashy and potentially more dangerous because you could fall harder and get hurt. So that might be the thing that draws you. But if you're a real skateboarder, you might be like, well, this guy's trick was probably a lot harder than that guys. Yeah. So that, I think the code hasn't been cracked, but I actually think it's

7:17about to be cracked. A good friend of mine is starting a new skateboard league called the PSL. And he's kind of basing it off the format, like almost like baseball, doing endings, where it's like, it's just one obstacle. One guy has to do a trick and then the guy on the other team has to do that exact same trick that the guy did. So even if you don't know what the trick is or why it's difficult, you do know as a viewer, like, well, this guy landed it. So this guy has to do that same thing and land it again. And if he misses, it's like a strike, three strikes and I switch over to the next people kind of like horse and kind of like, like, has endings. So like, after three mess-ups, switch is over to the other team to start it. And then after like three or four rounds, then you find out who's the most important. Yeah. That's more digestible. Because right now, when I see like not just use and compete and then he gets the score, I'm like, how do they come up with that score? Right. And then it feels kind of subjective, right? There is some subjectiveness to it because like two guys could do the same very hard trick, but one guy might just make it look a little more graceful. Right. And like, if you're a judge and you know what you're watching, you'll be

8:21like, well, they both did do the same trick, but this guy did it with more finesse and made it look more masterful. So you got to factor that in. So, um, yeah, it's subjective, though. Are you a fan of that style? Like that finesse style? Like, do you think I should impact the score at all? I think so. Yeah. Because I think for me, personally, I think I think the best people in any field are the people who can make something very difficult look easy, you know? So I've always been a fan of somebody because to me, that shows like they're, they've really reached the level of mastery. Right. Now, somebody else might be able to do that same feat, but it looks like they struggled more to do it. And that shows that they're not quite at that masterful level yet. That makes sense. Yeah. So for me, yeah. And that's a good segue into like sports or starting to use AI judging, right? Yeah. Now, you grew up in an area where it was all judges, like people judging your scores. So I guess what do you think about that potential transition? Shout out to today's sponsor Quince. As the weather cools, I'm swapping in the pieces that actually gets the job done that

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10:30the style, the technicalities. I'm just really curious. I'm sure at first it'll probably have a lot of, you know, bugs, but as it collects more data and the more times it does it, I'm sure it'll get smarter and be better. So I would imagine at some point it'll be like really good. But it's just skateboarding. I call it a sport art hybrid because it really is subjective. It's more relatable to music than it would be to sports in my opinion. It takes athleticism, but it's really an art. There's no rules. You can do whatever trick your mind can imagine. If you can imagine it and then you try it long enough and you try to learn it and you can do it, you can do it. But there's no right or wrong. Like in music, it's like how do you compare Jimmy Hendrix to Mozart. They're both like masterful musicians, but completely different. So same thing in skateboarding. There might be, you know, Yornaja Houston, who's an amazing, awesome skateboarder, but then

11:35you might have a guy like a Brian Peacock, who not many people know, but he's so technical, he's so smooth, he's so ambidextrous. You can have a preference. I might be more of a fan of this guy than this guy or vice versa, but there's actually no real answer to he's better or he's better. It's right. It's not like basketball where there's stats. Yeah, exactly. Like in basketball, it doesn't matter. You can have a funny look and jump shot, but if you go in and you score a lot of points, you're getting somebody wants you on their team or if you are a good defender, but you just have a like you're not smooth like a like how AI was or whatever, it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Like it it matters outside of basketball because like a guy like maybe Alan Iverson or LeBron or Kobe or Jordan, they got the big endorsement deals outside of basketball because they were phenomenal with their stats and they like made basketball look effortless and smooth and good and they became more of a marketable kind of athlete and they transcended it, but within basketball, you could have your run of the mill guy who's not so famous,

12:39but he's just effective at whatever the coach needs him to do, doesn't have to be particularly flashy or anything like that and you know, have a hundred million dollar contract, you know, and he's chilling. That's such a great point. You bring up though because you could ask the average person who the greatest skateboarder of all time is and they're going to say Tony Hawk. Yeah, for sure. But when it comes to skill, that's a different conversation. Yeah, and again, it's like they're not wrong if they feel that way because you know, Tony is a pioneer. He was, he's invented many things and also he's opened the door for the rest of us to have careers. He made it mainstream. He made it like something that the public general public paid attention to. So he's a big kind of pioneer in that way as well. So you can factor all those things into, like he's the reason why a lot of us have careers today and what we've been able to, you know, get bigger sponsors and have more TV time. So again, it's, there is no, in my opinion, there's no right or wrong answer. Tony's your favorite. Tony's your favorite. If,

13:41you know, Mark Johnson's your favorite. Mark Johnson's your favorite. I can't, I can't tell you you're wrong, you know, for sure. Was Tony someone you kind of looked up to when you were just starting out? I admire Tony, but we skate completely different. He's a vert skater, you know, skates avert and he did dabble in the street in the early 90s for sure. But I grew up as a street skater. I jump stairs, do handrails, skate ledges, I skate in the school yards. I skate behind, you know, alleyways, whatever I find architecture on the street. If I see it and I think I could skate it, that's what I'm into. Is that your first thought when you see a, yeah, it's a habit to this day. No matter what, even when I like, when I walk up any set of stairs, I count them. It's just like a habit. I have to count the stairs. I'll be driving, especially when I was a little kid with my mom, would drive and I'll, I'll be with her or whatever and I'll look out the window like, oh, I'll see a handrail. I'll be with mom. What are the, what are the streets? Can you help me remember the streets like, so I can help me before GPS, you know, like, so I can remember like, try to come back and look at a spot or something. Wow, you were very passionate at a young age. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean,

14:45I was like, psychotically obsessed. I mean, that's how you got to where you're at, man. Yeah, it's, I mean, I'm so grateful. Yeah, that's dope. How many set of stairs can you clear? My biggest set would be a 360 flip to 15 stairs. Holy crap. That's my biggest. But that's not even the biggest. People have done stuff down 20, 18, 17. You're in the air for like five plus seconds. Yeah, yeah, probably like more like two and a half to three. But it feels like an eternity. It feels like a long time when you're when you're doing it. But like, it's crazy how like, these tricks are like a second or two. But so much happens. Yeah, when you're in it, it's like almost go slow. And then you go back and you watch it on footage and you see it on the timeline. It's like second and a half. And you're like, yeah, that is fascinating how the brain works. Yeah, even like I had a basketball game last night and we were tied up and this kid took a jump shot. It felt like he was in the air for like seven seconds. Yeah, like when you watch like sports movies and you see them slow more than that. Oh, and the ball is going. You see it. It's about to go in. Like it feels like

15:48that sometimes. Yeah, you could picture it frame by frame almost, right? Yeah, she's being show in the moment. Yeah, that is fascinating. Wow, 15 set of stairs. That is fucking crazy. Yeah, and that was that was a while back. I mean, you know, I'm 40 now. So I don't think I'll be I have the desire to jump that big these days. I'll still skate a good 1012 stair. But but that was my peak of jumping. And so that was a while back. But I never considered myself being like one of the guys who was known for like doing big dangerous stuff. I think maybe more I'm more known for being a little more technical. I feel like, do you think the social media has amplified dangerous kind of aspect of it? I don't know that it's directly the social media that's amplified it. I think what social media is responsible for is the is the progress. How fast skaters are progressing. Like when I started skating was pre social media and a skateboard video would come out. And we would live off that skateboard video for like a year or two until the next big skateboard video came out. So content wasn't dropping as fast. So we would sit with these videos that we had

16:52for a year or so and study them, rewind them, pause, slow most, try to learn all the tricks that your favorite pros are doing. And you would take that time. And then by the time the next video comes out, you're like, okay, now we need to learn this. But now social media, every single day a brand new video is dropping, whether it's like a full blown video part, say on thrasher or just you have, you know, a kid from middle of, you know, in the Midwest, just unknown kid doing a trick at his local skate park. And it goes viral. And you're like, holy shit, like I've never seen this before. Like, so every day these kids now are seeing something new that hasn't been done happen every single day. So I think they're processing and that they're understanding of how fast they got a progress is just on hyperspeed. Yeah, you see that in every sport now, right? Yeah. Everyone's just so much more talented. It's way harder to make the NBA or the NFL these days. 100% access to information is just so easy. It's just nonstop. By the time you wake up tomorrow,

17:53what the level was yesterday is now a little bit higher. You know what I mean? So like, the skill gap is just, yeah, it's crazy. It's growing. So I guess as a byproduct, yes, guys are going bigger and doing more dangerous things just because they're seeing where the levels at. So yeah, I guess it can be responsible for that. There's always pros and cons. Yeah, but I think it's just mainly responsible just for like the speed of the progress. Yeah, like I'm sure if you go to the skate park now, everyone's just way better than when you were a kid, right? Yeah, there's a lot more talent out there. In plus skateboarding, when I started was still a very young sport and still relatively a young sport compared to a lot of other mainstream sports. So like just has so much room to progress, so much room to grow. And also we don't have a standard court or course, you know, like every contest is a different course, different obstacles, different dimensions, different everything. So you can't really prepare like, you know, basketball, it's the same court, same dimensions, everything. It's just what they do athletically that changes. Same thing

18:57with any baseball football, whatever. Maybe golf, there's different courses every time. That could be different. So that's maybe more comparable. So we just have to kind of prepare for anything and everything and kind of have to be able to innovate in the moment and adjust in the moment. That is super interesting. I never thought of that, but yeah, each course is different. You kind of have to be well versed in many different obstacles, right? Yeah, you definitely do. I mean, a lot of skate parks, you have similar type of obstacles, but the dimensions are always different. Yeah, I guess as skaters, it just becomes natural that you have to adapt, especially as a street skater. You don't control the environment. Like, you know, if I want to go set a skate, a set of stairs, you know, I don't control what kind of concrete they have. Is it real gritty? Is it smooth? What kind of material is it polished concrete? Is it like more rugged concrete? Do they have big cracks before the stairs? Like these are things that skateboarders notice. We notice textures

19:57of building materials like, you know, this ground is kind of wavy and lumpy. I don't know if I feel comfortable, you know, like I might have done this trick in the skate park, but you know, in the skate park, we make it a perfect environment, perfect set of smooth concrete, everything's perfect the way you want it. But once you get in the streets, you have to adapt with the way it was built. Yeah. So she got the building owners mad at you sometimes too, right? Yeah, that happens quite often. Because they don't want an injury and then they get sued. Yeah, they, I wonder how often that actually happens. I really don't think that happens often. I don't know anybody who's gotten hurt out in the streets and sued anybody that I know of. Well, I'm sure it's happened, but I don't know. On the sidewalk, it's probably not even their property, right? No, the sidewalk is not their property. And I don't know if it's true, but I remember a long time ago here in that like California past the law that skateboarding was a inherently dangerous sport. And so it was, it's not really, you can't really sue people. Oh wow. If you get hurt doing it anywhere, public property or their property. But I don't know if that's fact or not, that was just like what wouldn't surprise me.

21:00We heard you guys, you guys know the risks. It's not like you're just, yeah, yeah. So I think it's mainly like property owners getting mad feeling like maybe we might damage their property or we're just like if it's like at a business, like we're interrupting business. So we learn to kind of like either go after hours or on the weekends or find one place is our clothes. I think skateboarders would by default be decent burglars. That's a take. I love that. I love that. Yeah, it's interesting, man. I don't mind them to be honest, but I know going up there where I lived at least there was like a negative stigma. Yeah, it happened. I think nowadays is probably a little less. I used to be the big thing like skateboarding is not a crime. We used to like, you know, that used to be our mantra. But I feel like now it's like a lot more accepted with things like the Olympics and the X games and stuff like that. So I don't feel like it's as bad. And I think, you know, it's it's much more

22:03common for a kid to start skateboarding these days. As opposed to like when I was growing up, it was way more common. A kid goes into like little league baseball or a basketball, you know, traditional sports. But I feel like skateboarding now, especially at least in California, it's just as common as a kid might pick up a skateboard instead of a basketball or baseball. I feel like it's just as much in the mix. So it's widely accepted because guys who grew up skating, who are my age, are now old enough where they have families, they have kids, and they have fond memories of skateboarding. And so if they have a son or even a daughter and, you know, they probably introduced them to a skateboard early on. Yeah, you know, I'm seeing a lot of that kind of happening now. It's a good skill to have to have that balance in the body of awareness. It's really good balance. It's it's also it toughens you up to like when I was a real little kid before I started skating, I did like karate, I did gymnastics, I played baseball, but I was kind of soft. Like, I remember playing baseball after I got out of T ball into farm. I was like afraid when they

23:05were pitching because I didn't want to get hit by the ball and like kids at that age don't have really good control. So you were likely to get hit. So I would be all afraid. And like when I went to karate, I did a couple karate tournaments, did all right. And then one of them, we did it without protection. I got kicked right in the gut, got my win knocked out of me for the first time. I was crying. I was like nine years old. I was crying. I don't want to do this anymore. But once I started skating and out falling all the time and getting up, falling all the time and getting up, I started like getting tougher, a little more grit, a little more like mental strength, a little more physical like durability. Yeah. And so I think skateboarding is good for like life lessons because you have to fall and get up, you have to fail over and over and over until you succeed. Yeah. And I think you can do that with a lot of things in life. No, that's facts. I didn't even think about the mental side of it. But you're right. It teaches you to be resilient, right? Yeah. Because you're going to fail a lot at skateboarding. A hundred percent. I mean, even no matter what level you're on, most cycling, you mess up way more every day than you land. Which is crazy, right? And at your level to say that it's probably like hard to fathom for people, right? Yeah. I think if you're not

24:11messing up more than you're succeeding, then you're not challenging yourself enough. You're not pushing yourself enough. Yeah. That's crazy. Because you're in eight times, you know, metalist winter, accomplished a lot and you're still saying you mess up more than you. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Way more. Wow. So you feel like you're constantly just challenging yourself even to this stuff? Yeah. I feel like it's a skateboarding is a game that never ends. You can never learn every trick. You can never do everything. So like, I feel like as long as my body will allow me and as long as I have passion for it, I'm going to always be trying to chase new tricks, trying to learn new things, trying to do new combinations, skate new obstacles. That's just what I'm drawn to. That's just what I love. You know, maybe when I get like older, older, and I'm not like doing it at a pro level anymore, I might not be pushing myself as much and I'll kind of just be sticking to the tricks that I know I have very consistent to like avoid injury because when you're retired and you know, you're not doing at a professional level, why risk getting injured for no reason? Right. Do you still feel like

25:13you're getting better to this stuff? I do. Wow. I really do. In different ways, like I'm not getting better at like bigger obstacles. Like I said, I'm not jumping 15 stairs anymore. Yeah. But I'm definitely pushing myself in in different ways technically like with ledge skating. My balance is probably a lot better over the years. My board control is a lot better nowadays. So those are things that I'm just trying to continue to improve where I basically still can. What was the hardest trick for you? How long did it take to land it? So I would say all the tricks I've ever filmed in my video parts, I did a video part back in 2010. It was called me, myself and I and it was back when like streaming was just becoming a thing typically before then we would drop full-length video parts which is like if you have a skate team, it's all your teammates, everybody has maybe a three to five minute part. So it's like an hour-long video with everybody. But then we started dropping just one person parts. Once like streaming was

26:16available like on iTunes. So I dropped, I think it was the first skate video ever be dropped on iTunes. In 2010 and my last trick and that was it's called a Nali front foot flip crooked grind. And I was trying that trick on and off for maybe what year was that 2010 since for about five years since 2005 to 2010. I was dabbling with that trick trying to figure it out, trying it. I had it in my mind, I had it in my vision of like wanting to do it and I would just try like maybe you know a few hours here, a few hours there. Take off a couple months from trying it because I'd be like frustrated from it and then come back to it. So I was like on and off doing that process till finally I got it for that video part in 2010. Holy shit. Yeah so it was probably, I couldn't even tell you how many hours went into finally getting that. And you were the first one to land that kind of trick? Yeah, I was the first one to do that one. Wow. I must be amazing feeling. That was a great feeling. Especially after that long and like getting disheartened and then like going away from it and then

27:18like getting remotivated to do it again and then finally doing it. Yeah and I've only done it just that one time. Thank God we've come film and I never did it again since. Are people because it's 2025 now are people still inventing new tricks or is everything pretty much been. Yeah. I would say at this point it's not necessarily that a completely new trick is getting invented but just new combinations are being invented like you know pretty much all the grinds all the slides of all kind of been done but now people are you know flipping into it flipping out of it doing it on bigger obstacles like the obstacles always change bigger rails of hubba ledges on tables like some people have so much pop and they can do it on a tabletop you know what I mean and other guys might just do it on a regular ledge maybe lower than this couch so there's a lot of never been done tricks happening but I wouldn't call them just pure inventions they're just new combinations like a reiteration almost yeah do you still get shocked by anything you see oh yeah all the time

28:22all the time I'm definitely spoiled I don't watch as many skate videos these days it's just so hard for me to keep up with every video that's dropping every day but I'm fortunate where I get to skate with some of the most elite skateboarders in the world in person almost daily so like I get to see these guys progress especially the younger guys who are like teenagers and they're developing into their own and how watching how they're progressing I'm seeing them do new tricks almost daily and pushing the limits so I'm constantly getting impressed but I love it because I keep myself skating with people who are maybe 10-15 years younger than me because that keeps me pushing and motivated a lot of guys who are closer to my age with the exception of a couple aren't really still pushing themselves they're kind of just cruising and whatever and I like I want to stay in that mindset of like feeling competitive and feeling like I'm trying to stay relevant yeah you haven't lost that fire because you see that when people get to a certain level right they kind of

29:23lose that fire yeah I got them there yeah it happens I mean I've definitely gone through waves after this long I'll go through waves when I'm just like burnt out and kind of not feeling it but then you know after a little bit I'll get something inevitably sparked me back up and I'll get on a big like lock-in focus mode so it happens but I've learned not to panic early on when it first happened to me I was like why do I not feel motivated this has never happened to me before and I'll be panicky like am I over what's gonna happen then inevitably I went through it a couple times and now I know like it's all right it's cool it'll come back like we all go through burn out right yeah you just push yourself to to a certain limit and you just your body your mind is just like it's take a break man I'll come back I'll be stronger just like let me be outside escape boarding are you as passionate about anything else in life not really um you know I started when I was just shy of turning 12 and I'm you know it's been 28 going on 29 years of escape boarding so yeah that's pretty yeah yeah so I've been doing it since I've been a pretty young child

30:28and all through my adulthood so I haven't really spent any time looking into other hobbies I have other interests but I know myself I'm a one track mind if I let myself get to into it then I'm gonna stop focusing on skateboarding so I'm gonna focus on skateboarding until I feel like all right I did it I did everything I could I put it all out there and then like I'm super interested I love boxing I love Muay Thai I like I love training and doing that when I can but I just don't do it consistently because if I add that into my add Muay Thai and all my workouts that I do and skateboard my body would just be fried all the time and I wouldn't it would take away from the quality of skating so I'll sprinkle it in here and there just whenever I get a chance too but maybe once I wind down maybe I'll you know pick that up a little more often yeah where did you watch the canelo fight of course I saw I saw on your post man that was the first boxing match I've ever been to and just the respect that I now have seen it that close for the way

31:32they were moving their bodies I mean it was unreal and then it gets superb yeah they're conditioning I mean that's top elite as it gets you know right now 12 rounds I had a feeling it was gonna go all the way I'm a super fan of both of them yeah I really couldn't I really didn't know what was gonna happen like I knew that Crawford had all the speed and the craftiness and like the intelligence to potentially pull it off and I but I also knew that canelo is used to fighting bigger stronger people and I was curious how Crawford was gonna handle it like everybody else and I was curious if canelo was gonna his defense and his head movement was gonna was gonna be able to do it so I just I couldn't call it I would lean to one side or the other yeah but I was really pleased with that fight it was intense and like I really like how both of them are kind of really class acts yeah they were real respectful on the lead up real respectful after the fact they're just like they were just you know class act kind of no they were Crawford gave all the belts back

32:36yeah yeah yeah well yes but that's how they do it you know in boxing like no the boxers get to keep their belts they're just gonna make Crawford new belts yeah Crawford will have his belts but that was just for the night to take photos of it after the fight so it's not like UFC oh I didn't know is UFC like that like you literally don't get to keep your belt I believe so I think you've got to keep panning it off yeah I know that they they have to pay for those belts too they're like a hundred grand or something like that yeah they have to pay for the belts yeah so like once they win it for whatever organization that makes that particular belts but with these guys it was all four of them because it was undisputed title so like they'll have to pay for those oh so that they can keep them yeah it's just like you know it's like a thing like even though canelo right now is not currently the champion in those belts anymore you know but at one point he was it's like for him when he retires he can have it and know that like yeah like hey I did it you know so same thing with Crawford so like even though he's not physically holding that ranking

33:41he'll still get to keep it like a trophy you're gonna go to the Jake Paul tank fight I would like to is it gonna be in Vegas I'm not sure actually it's in a couple months they're saying tanks the favorite by a long shot you would think so for sure but Jake Paul's massive like and tank is smaller than me you know yeah if Jake fights out of distance right he had a shot yeah but I think I think tank is way faster so it'll probably be really hard to hit him yeah and I think tank obviously has way more experience but I mean if Jake somehow tags him I mean it could it could rock him you know but I think it's a it's not like an official fight right it's like it's just an exhibition yeah so like it there won't be like a real winner loser I mean it'll be public opinion I'm sure I don't after seeing the Logan Paul what was it Tyson fight or no that was Jake and Tyson oh Jake and Tyson no Logan thought who did Logan fight years ago may weather may weather so after seeing that exhibition fight I no longer get excited for exhibition fights yeah like I do but I

34:46always am disappointed yeah exactly that's why I don't get excited yeah I get excited because it this one might be one that would be exciting but then then inevitably I'm like I was kind of that's how they get you and that's how they keep making tens of millions yeah it's it's all literally like the marketing on the front end of it that gets you going I mean these canelo payouts were in oh yeah 150 yeah like that was like guaranteed right yeah and I'm sure I heard you got 50 oh okay but I don't I mean what do I really know I just saw what I saw on internet but I love never lies right but yeah but I think probably they get back into like at the gate I don't know like whatever the the deal I'm sure they had to deal with Netflix where they also got great money for that but yeah I mean canelo got paid and Crawford definitely got paid well but I'm sure now he's going to be getting really paid oh he's going to be paid and now he's in the go conversation too I mean dude yeah for sure he's undefeated still he's still undefeated and now he's fine

35:46he beat the the dawn of our era like the best and baddest dude of our era two weight classes higher than what he's normally and pretty convincingly in my opinion too he did the last few rounds looked like it was one sided he really it really did he really did man he outboxed him and that's really saying something because canelo's no slouch man it's it's really saying something that he was able to you know make canelo look confused pretty crazy yeah did you see that one hit that's going viral yeah yeah yeah yeah wait the the counter punching bone yeah he looks back at him like yeah nuts yeah I'll do this have been awesome where can people find your shoes and support you and everything um you can find my shoes at any local skate shop zoomies borders I think Tilly's um and in online and Nike I think Nike dot com I wish I knew there was I think it's Nike dot com and sneakers dot com and uh yeah you can find those there and you can check out

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