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3:06Former Buckeye player that I thoroughly respected and enjoyed watching him play. They'll be on the show tonight after we go. Make sure you tune into that. Also, remember when you send those wonderful Super Jets, helps to go towards the pay of forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Bucke wanted to bring you in before we brought our guests in. How you feeling? I'm feeling good, man. So we've been waiting. We've been waiting for Justin to kind of break his next story. And it seems to be breaking in real time and exciting exciting stuff. So you know, on a day that was not supposed to have much happening, man. It started to happen early and it's been a it's been nonstop all day. Yep, for sure. And so, yeah, we got a lot to get in. We're going to talk about Justin and his recent story breaking and the results of that and how you all need to stop sleeping on his dude. I mean, you know, even you Michigan fans, I know you hate him, but how many receipts do we need?

4:11Does he need for you to say, I'm going to sit this one out. Now with that said, we got our brother our super friend and Trenzick in the house to come and join us to wait in on what Spiro has been talking about. What he's been implying. What he's been hinting at and all of that and Trenzick, man, it's been a man. I've been trying to get you back on here. Glad I was finally able to get you on. How you feeling, brother? I'm feeling great. I enjoyed that. Been here from Spiro today. I think I got a lot of people excited. Yeah, and we're going to play that video. And we're going to, you know, narrate through it a little bit. We're going to have it muted a little bit because of the music with the YouTube strike. We just want to avoid that. But I want you to see the visuals. This might be the most the best video I've seen him make visually. And he's made a lot of good ones, Nevada. I mean, this was a fun. It was a funny video. It was it was creative. All of that. So what did you think about the video, Nevada?

5:11Yeah, no, I mean, great stuff. And it's amazing how this guy who doesn't even do this as a full-time job has somehow scooped the Michigan beat and the Michigan mainstream media on about the last nine stories coming out of there. And this one, and clearly the potentially the biggest one of them all, you know, he said, you know, he's he's stallions on the sideline of, you know, Tronmore deleting evidence, Tronmore affair, Mr. T funding the scheme, Tronmore, I mean, just list of all these stories. And I know people like, oh, you're just in Spiro. I'm like, just in Spiro has been, like, he's been like Babe Ruth pointing, calling the shots and hitting out of the park every time. So I don't understand any pushback on that because the guys, he's a world-class journalist and he's a bulldog and he's got Michigan in their sights and that's a problem for them. It is. And especially remember, they mocked and scoffed at him when he

6:15just released a story about La Troy Lewis a couple weeks ago. And what was it? 24 to 48 hours after he was fired. And so, you know, it was credible allegations. It wasn't just an allegation. You know, somebody gets canned because somebody accused him, like, there's really no evidence, but it's just an accusation. No, he laid all the evidence out. And I'm sure I'm confident Nevada and intrinsic that the Atlanta Falcons have lawyers on their payroll who can be able to read through information and determine if it's a fireable offense or worth taking seriously. And that's what they did. And so, just saying, you mess with Justin at your peril, all you want. But before I play the video, intrinsic or Nevada, do you want to say anything else before we hop into this video? Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of cool seeing Justin's editing just continue to improve. I mean, you guys are saying he does this, like Nevada is saying, this is not his main job. He does this just out of integrity and getting this stuff right. And he

7:19takes that very seriously. So it's kind of funny seeing all the Michigan fans. You don't see him in his comments doubting him like they used to. You really don't think it's capitulation on their part. He's done a great job. Yeah, I agree. They're not they're not doubting him as much what they've pivoted to as you're obsessed. And you know, you're, you live in your mama's basement and, and you know, just add hominem like they're just pivot to that. And so you're pathetic. Don't you care about Michigan State like, you know, deflecting. So because they really don't they can't refute. And then it's just like the last thing I'm going to say before I put this video on. It's crazy because they some of the same idiots keep like tagging him and responding. And he always hits them with a quoted retweet. What receipts embarrassing them, but they keep doing it. So it is what it is, fellas, but let's go ahead and and play this video. And I'm going to put it on mute to start out

8:24with. And we can kind of narrate a little bit. All right. So again, here's here's the visuals, which I think is hilarious. Obviously AI, but pretty good AI. Look at trash. That looks like trash. Triple. Yeah. I'm not sure who is that show people who is that intrinsic. I think that might have been our hockey coach. I'm not sure. Okay. Or it's our president. Yeah. Okay. Now, this was funny right here. This was to me. This was great. Let's say Harry Potter music playing for you guys haven't seen it. It's all here. Okay, thing. That's Harry Potter. Look, Ohio State, Nevada. He got a nice little cameo. That's Brody feeds. Come Brody. Oh, man, Bert Belima with the belly out. He put everybody here. I guess these are he said these are all the people who are ball has beefed with. Yeah, that's coach Smith, that last guy from Oregon. Yeah. All right. So these are some of the tweets from his sources saying

9:30they're ready to talk. That's Uncle T. That was pretty. That was good. That was good. That was good. Did you got the park's party? That was funny. All right. Here we go. Hold on. Hold on. 27 mark. 127 mark. And now see, I'll defer to you on that. I mean, you're the expert. Basically, it comes down to if Blake Korum knew about the LLC in real time, is that not a violation of the by-law in section 16 pertaining extra benefits? And if it is, is Korum not ineligible for the entire period, which would be all of 22 and all of 2023? Essentially, yes. They would be considered retroactively ineligible in any games participated in during that period. Right. And if that's the case, those wins are gone. They're vacated by rule, correct? Hypothetically, but there obviously needs to be proof of the

10:33violation. Okay. What happens when I prove it? All right. So mute again. Look at the vacuum airings on Korum, man. You've got to be kidding me, Spiro. Hilarious. And Ohio State Claimation Animation Version. He got a kick out of this, by the way. That's our guy Tate from Barstool. And yes, Brutus and Sparty celebrating just as being served. And of course, they had to make a cameo. He should have threw the butter knife in there, though, but it's cool. That's the only only complaint that I have. But yeah, so great video, hilarious video, like intrinsic said, the Harry Potter. I confess not to not to go off topic, but I've never watched the full full. I've watched like parts of Harry Potter, but not the full movies. I'm going to go

11:33back and watch those two just because anyway, Nevada, what's your thoughts on that, brother? Well, I can't believe that Ohio's Tate gets like a like a video thing on him. And then it's like, you said like an animation claimation thing is they got two, you got two shouts outs. And like, there was nothing. There wasn't like, I want to see the anime to be Moses in there or something like that or like Nevada, like flying like on an eagle or something like that. But they had none of that, man. So where's the love? I mean, Ohio think it's two calls. Can we get nothing? Oh, that's a fair criticism, Justin. I know you're going to see this. I mean, you know, because I know the logic is he deals with port noise and scum fans come at him heavy, but scum fans come at us heavy. And you know, and we're the we're fellow scum killers. Like we, if anybody's at their neck, it's us. And so we're you know, where's my claimation? So no, after you, but uh, but other than that, Nevada. So let's kind of get into what he said with the NCAA. And in

12:38intrinsic, obviously, we want you to give your perspective because you are, you are a bylaw body. Like you know this stuff. You have some thoughts about, I guess, loop holes, different things that can go back and forth with this. Now this is the caveat is we don't know everything Justin has. And that's a phone call or a text the way to pick his brain. But we don't know what evidence he has. He's just adamant that he has the evidence. And you know, he just not going to say that if he does it. So Nevada, you, did you want to respond to that first? Well, I'll lay it out and kind of layman's terms. And then we'll let intrinsic kind of come in and fill in the bylaws and the rules and regulations and things. But my understanding of this is that that counter stallions formed a company, this, this LLC, BC to LLC or whatever it was or and that Blake Corm was listed on the articles of incorporation, you know, for the LLC. And then when, when, when queried about it, Blake Corm claimed he didn't know anything about it

13:42because at that point in time, he had kind of recognized that him being in business with a coach would somehow trip the impermissible additional benefit thing because he was given a benefit that was not available to all the other players on the team. He got it because his special circumstance as Blake Corm. And that that would be a violation of the NCAA rule and would, you know, hence making an ineligible player, which would then potentially trigger vacations of wins, et cetera, et cetera. So that's kind of my, you know, lay person's view of it. But intrinsic, maybe you can kind of talk about the specific rules that are being violated potentially by Blake Corm in this situation if that, that Justin, because I'm just going to take as a given that Justin can prove that this happened because Justin doesn't say that unless he can prove it. So let's, let's suspend disbelief on that part. Tell me what violations would have occurred at that point.

14:46And then what are the potential remedies and penalties by the NCAA? Yeah. So Justin all listed to that he has an eye there. I think the major one that would redeem him an eligible would be the 16.2.3, which is an extra benefits section. Basically, if you're in business with a coach, it has to be equal for each student athlete, right? So that would be the one that he would have violated. But in looking for a further and Justin knows this, the Michigan law has it different. We're basically, if you receive an NIL benefit, you have to disclose it. So if you kind of go and take what Spiro is saying, he's saying he has Michigan's admin admitting to him that they were aware of this business relationship between Corm and Stallions. Now, that's a relationship which Corm, as you mentioned, denied even knowing about

15:47he said my lawyer will look into it. He still hasn't looked into it. But regardless, so to me, that says that wasn't disclosed because that was something that maybe Justin and I disagree on. I'm not sure. But if it was disclosed, so if he disclosed it, I believe he'd still be eligible. So that's the extra benefit one. And he also mentioned 12.1.1, which was I thought was interesting because that's basically a rule for the member institution. So for Michigan, that basically Michigan has a job of making sure his players are eligible and in compliance with NIL policy and whatnot. So he's basically saying because I haven't seen him poke at that bylaw until today. So that is hand pointing towards the institution's involvement. And that's where I believe just practically looking at this because I know a lot of people are saying they're like, hey, they're not going to do anything because they had them dead to rights in the last one. So me working with the lawyer

16:50that I have, we think just like tangulate now, this is this is just how we are viewing the situation. It doesn't mean it has to be done that way. But how we view it is that if Spiro, wouldn't bet against at this point, could prove that Michigan knew about this. And the average cost of a D wine Virginia is $11,352.47, drinking and driving costs more than your drinks. Learn more at what's the damage.org brought to you by Virginia DMV. You're having a good time. You're out drinking with the boys. Now it's time to pay the tab. $11,352.47. Wait, what? Well, there are court costs, attorney fees, higher insurance costs, damage to your car, do you why fines? Not to mention the damage to your social life. Plan a sober ride or pay the price. Drinking and driving costs more than your drinks.

17:51It could cost a life. Learn more at what's the damage.org brought to you by Virginia DMV. Want a game changing way to watch college basketball? With a one day pass from sling, get instant access to the men's and women's tournaments starting at just $4.99. You can catch all the action on TNT, TBS, ESPN, and ESPN too. Want even more hoops? Then add an extra pack to your subscription for just $1. No overpaying, no overcommitting. Just tournaments so crazy, they'd be crazy to miss. Visit sling.com to learn more. Sling lets you do that. They did not think so this would be like the coaches or admin. They intentionally circumvented like to prevent its disclosure or to hide this from the NCAA. That adds another level to where it's just not a technicality of its eligibility. It's also the institution itself covering it up. So we think if that were to happen, that that would for sure break it open. And Justin has said as much when he says,

18:56so for some of your listeners who just aren't in this day today, Spiro has said on this show and he said to others that he has tapes of which the admin has admitted to knowledge of this. That is huge because that implies that they knew about it. They didn't take measures to disclose this not during when they were supposed to find everything during the last NOA. So that adds that extra layer. So I think kind of what you're seeing Spiro do behind the scenes. I have to guess because he kind of works in the dark. People always ask me, what's Spiro do? I don't know. But he has to find out simple things like, was this disclosed? Right? He has to find out connections to if there was like he knows the admin knows about it. But he has to find proof because he said he won't leak those tapes because of journalistic integrity. So I think he's been doing some of that and just kind of reading the theories. I think he's got somewhere. All right. I just want to push back on one thing in

20:02transit. So the implication then would be that Michigan knew about something and didn't disclose it. And that just seems totally out of character for Michigan administration because we've only known them to be totally above board and ethical. So I'm kind of a shame for you for even implying that they could do something underhanded like that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. There's so much smoke. I mean, if you want to look back at this story. So for some of you like this LLC was found out by is actually I believe it was first found out about a Michigan state guy on a forum. For a guard, this is they started searching everything because there's so much shadiness going on with that football program where they found this LLC was stallions name on it. And so anyways, this was actually made through a company that wired magazine had a it was made through registered agents Inc who creates these LLCs under a cloka anonymity. So someone like what did

21:02it steps to try to like hide its origin. And it's also another weird thing about it too is once it became public this LLC once it was dug up. Two things happened for one that LLC dissolved. And then in Blake Corms own blog. So this is something no one probably really looks at. Someone went back and edited the language. And so we some guys, I believe some of these guys found this in 11 words, but regardless is he actually added the language about a housing investment that he had in an arbor. So some property he bought an arbor. He kind of basically made that disappear. So someone went backtracking on Corms and so I can't say for sure it's him, but someone who controls his blog edited language about this LLC. So probably beginning him saying basically stallions committed a felony because he's saying that as soon as he said he didn't have knowledge. That

22:03means that stallions forged his name, which is a felony. It's perjury. So he's, so we assume that he didn't commit perjury, right? But if you go further, this whole creation of the LLC was strange is dissolution was strange. Us not getting answers was strange. So yeah, that's sorry about the tangent, but there's always something really shady going on about this, including that, including that investment he had in an arbor that he made disappear. Yeah, so let me go into a little bit of what Justin said on his one of his latest tweets in regards to this. It gives us some insight. So in the beginning of the tweet, I'm not going to read it all. He says, you know, Tom Marlhouse statement, because they had a vacay wins because of, you know, silly stuff. Then he says Michigan did not self-report any of their record setting number of violations in cheeseburger gay or sci-gate. And they certainly did did not self-report this still unadjudicated quorum matter. In fact, they covered it up, covered it up. Then he gives bullet points, Blake quorum knew about the LLC. Blake quorum lied about it. Michigan knows quorum

23:08knew and knows he lied about it. These are facts for which they're strong evidence. Then he cites the rule violations, thus by rule, quorum was ineligible for all games in 2022 and 2023, by law 16.02.3 and 12.111. Okay, and he just goes in and finishes off. By saying, there's no nuance or mitigation. As always, you learn the triggering of the vacated wins penalty is inherent to the violations in his automatic. Want a game-changing way to watch college basketball? With a one-day pass from sling, get instant access to the men's and women's tournaments starting at just $4.99. You can catch all the action on TNT, TBS, ESPN and ESPN too. Want even more hoops? Then add an extra pack to your subscription for just $1. No overpaying, no overcommitting. Just tournaments so crazy, they'd be crazy to miss. Visit sling.com to learn more. Sling lets you do that.

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25:17If I'm not telling the truth, Quorum is welcome to sue me. If I've been threatened by litigation, by Uncle T. Jim Harbosh, Rahmore, even Chris Bayless, I'm guessing none of them followed through because I'm always right. If Quorum wants to break the mold, he's welcome to try. I may even represent myself who needs an attorney to press play on tapes proving everything I say. So, yes, once again, Justin sounds very confident in what he has. We just don't know the exact you know information he has, but we know Justin well enough, based off his track record, his integrity, he doesn't run with stuff without vetting it 50 million times. I mean, he could have something. He still wants to vet it even more. As much as some of y'all hate him, this dude is as tight and right as you possibly can get as an investigative journalist. So, I know some of y'all are saying, and listen, let me say this, fellas. I completely understand some of the comments about being skeptical

26:18with the NCAA. I'm not skeptical of Justin Spiro. It's just the NCAA are buffoons. And so, they prove that with this last day when they had everything on a silver platter. And they said, oh, you know what, you're supposed to get a two-year boba for this. This was really bad. And we're going to let you know how bad it was throughout this entire document with scathing language. And but you know what? Because of the kids, we're not going to give you that two-year boba and that you deserved and earned by cheating. So, it's just I get the the angst or I get the skepticism about the NCAA. But, but this is a higher level of confidence and and Spiro be an adamant about this than he's ever been. And so, I think this is something like Nevada has said. Anybody, it trends here in Nevada. You went away in Nevada. I see you. Well, yeah, but yeah, I one I share your skepticism about the NCAA. So, let that goes without saying the three of us probably more so than anybody

27:25or or hate the NCAA for the way that they botched the the required decision. But putting that aside, I have complete faith in Justin. And so, when Justin says I've learned for my interactions with Justin over years that when he says he has something, he has it. And it the one thing I'll say for the NCAA is if it was any other type of situation other than an ineligible player, I honestly would just like shelve it because I just I think in eligible players is the one area that they've showed a little bit of background. They've showed, you know, you know, they they follow through it, you know, more than a few times. These seem to be the only cases that they seem to care about. I think it's because they're black and white. There's not a lot of nuance on them. You know, if you violate the rule players in eligible, it players in eligible the games on count. I mean, that kind of linear thinking they seem to do well with. So, you know, between my confidence and

28:27Justin and the nature of the offense, I'm, you know, I'm willing to be heard again. I'm willing to be heard again by believing in this because I really think I know it, you know, you just know you know, at a guttural level, you know that this happened. His, the response from, just from a quorum about his name being forward John and LLC document was totally weird and inappropriate and nobody responds that way. So, you know, your only logical conclusion is that he knew about this and that, you know, this was the, he was intentionally trying to deflect and blame for him. And the fact they went back and scrubbed his social media, you know, language referring to life, I think it was BC2 LLC or whatever it was. I mean, that's, that's pretty damning. So, I think that there's a consciousness of guilt. If he's got it in terms of tapes that ties Michigan to it, then I think there's lots of reasons that we can be cautiously optimistic that maybe there is some justice in the

29:30world when it comes to NCAA and Michigan. Yeah, and I want to, I want to say something because this is a distinction that I have, I'll have to make to myself because we all have our views towards the NCAA. Like, of course, we're bullish, Justin Spiro, we're bears NCAA. I think that probably describes the most people. But the NCAA, where's demanding core penalties for the Michigan science ceiling probe? They demanded Ross Dallanger pointed that out. That's NCAA. The COI is like an independent committee of other people who aren't like NCAA workers, who then like basically in a judge process come to a decision. So, COI went rogue. The NCAA played that by the book, and that actual report that came out was worse than what even I had expected. So, and, and what Nevada was saying, they are pretty like anal about these intelligibility rules and they don't have a lot left. So, I think we're all going to be skeptical of the NCAA. I mean, I still am,

30:31even with what I just said, I'm still skeptical. But if that's why I think that next layer, and he says that in his post, I'm glad you read that. I'll be because he says that to Admin knew about it. Okay. This isn't just like, hey, I forgot to disclose something. This is, this is, I knew that he was an eligible and didn't disclose this and didn't ever tell you guys. Like, that's why he's talking about, if you see his policy saying self-reported, like when Michigan State looked back, and we had our wins vacated, we self-reported some like plain tickets or something silly, something really small, and it vacates everything. So, and that just happened this last year. So, if he can, if he can, so what I'm just looking at, how we're looking at it from a practical perspective, if he can come out with something that says, hey, not only was he ineligible because he received NIL funds from this LLC, which were not disclosed, but also the Admin knew about it. And the great thing that Spiro has here working for him is he's already told,

31:33he was told that that happened. So, he just has to go find it. That's a big advantage to him here. So, yeah, I think he got somewhere. If you just kind of follow Spiro's post, which I'm sure a lot of you do, he definitely made headway when he came on your show a couple of weeks ago, and he said he had the two silver bullets. You guys remember that? Yep. So, he's made headway on this. I'm most certain of it. Got you. Real quick, I see you in the chat duplicator. You asked this twice. Can anyone answer my question in all caps? You're yelling now? Didn't NCAA already ruin this last year? No, they did not duplicator. This LLC situation was not included. And the sign stilling, you know, illegal sign stilling document, you know, with stallions and the coaches, all of that. That wasn't included. It was mentioned. It was brought out because obviously, Corm was interviewed and he lied on camera and said he didn't know about it. But this was not a part of the report. So, no, this was

32:34not rude already. Any response to that, fellas? What about yell that? Does that change your answer in any way? No, it doesn't. Yeah, actually, I think he brings up a good point though, because you think, hey, didn't they just look at everything? Well, for one, Michigan was supposed to, it's not a bad question. Michigan was supposed to find stuff like this during that investigation. Now, the NCAA never accused them of it. They never got an NOA about it. They never got an NOI about it. They never looked into it. The one thing I was told, and I can't verify this because I haven't seen the emails, but I was told that it was submitted to the NCAA, everything that they could find publicly about this LLC, meaning that people basically sent to the NCAA saying, hey, look it. Here's this LLC, here's stallions. Look into it. But just because you do that doesn't mean NCAA is going to listen to you, but I would have heard that that happened. But what Spiro is going to do here is going to be

33:37beyond that. If you guys seen his report, he has, like, Pax, he has documents, he has hard stuff that you can't just find online, like we did here. Yeah, Nevada, did you want to respond? Well, yeah, I think, you know, the whole nature of this thing that Michigan has been, they don't solve for port. They don't solve for port anything. You know, you can talk about the Michigan State stuff being self-reported. The whole entire TAT gate, that was all from an internal Ohio State investigation. So, you know, Michigan strategy on this has been to not be forthcoming, to never disclose this. And no, on the last one to answer that, the question, yeah, this was never before the committee on infractions, because there was no evidence presented and Michigan certainly didn't follow up with any evidence that they had or didn't have at the time. But if Justin has it, this would be, I believe that this would be an entirely new case and certainly unrelated to

34:44the science deal. Yeah, real quick. This is what I'll be talking about with this chat, man, you're hilarious. Jay Coburn, where can I get vacuum cleaner earrings for my wife? Yes. I'm sure Amazon, some obscure site has them, I'm sure, or Spiro, you might want to get an LLC together to start selling those, brother. Get you some sales, but that is hilarious. But yes, Nevada, I'm glad you pointed that out, because I was going to say the same thing. It pays, it pays to not cooperate. It's sad to say, but Ohio State is just like, they self-reported the whole tattoo stuff. And you know, all of that, the coach gets fired, gets popped, players get suspended. The entire country is trying to play us like we're just SMU. In transit, I don't know if how much you were into that back then, being up in Michigan, it was awful. It was awful.

35:48It was the media reaction was worse than what Michigan got for doing 10 times worse. And so, and you guys in transit got popped for the little pay for a plane ticket. You got vacated wins for that. And Michigan literally was on field cheating, affecting the outcome of games. And what was the wording they used in the document in transit competitive advantage? That was confirmed, because they tried to make it seem like that wasn't the case. No, it was. You know what, I can really go for right now. Literally anything that comes in a McDonald's carton, wrapper or bag, or a McDonald's cup. Yes, any of those items should do it. We've got your cravings covered. Now, stop in for the flaky filet of fish, the crispy snack wrap, or a large fries for just $2.99. Limited time only, price and participation may vary. Cannot be combined with any other offer.

37:37What good is it to self-report and be honest when the bad guys get the, you know, I guess, get off without really getting cracked like they should have got cracked in transit. Go ahead, bro. No, and that just brings you to the point. Like, it's so funny. Like, yeah, they cheated. Like, nothing is worse than knowing your opponent's plays. Like anyone who's played this sport or can just conceptualize the sport. Knowing what your opponent's going to run is a huge competitive advantage and that they, but I remember talking to you guys about when we were trying to predict the penalties. It was like, maybe, you know, it's not as clear although they have the latitude to do it. It's clearly in there. It says other reasons of AK games, but forever reason, and eligible games. So I think it would be so fitting for the NCAA selective and ridiculous punishments for some things while letting other things slide that they go back and vacate these games over this, this LLC and not disclosing money earned, which is the rules, by the way,

38:41but they should have vacated it all from the on field cheating for a competitive advantage. But regardless, it is the interpretation. It is the correct interpretation. Like, if you guys see there, Spiro is telling you he's talking to an NCAA source. So this isn't me and my lawyer, but this is him talking to an NCAA source who says, yes, if you can prove he broke these laws then hypothetically, yes, it's ineligible. And that means everything's vacated. That proof par would just be legendary work on Spiro because how do you get document disclosure documents from the university, right? Showing that I didn't disclose this. How do you receive records of or receiving money because I understand he could have this LLC, but if he did not receive money from it, that's not a violation because that's no benefit. What benefit did he receive if he did not receive money or assets or something similar, right? So Spiro has to find all that stuff. So people sometimes like what's taking so long? Well, for one, he's not using those tapes, which

39:44I've also heard some people say maybe he doesn't have the tapes for I'd have two answers for that. One is everything that he said you have no reason to not trust this guy at this point, but two, I've also spoken with one of the people he showed the tapes to who verifies it. Yes, I've heard this tape. So yes, that tape exists, but he has to go and do this legwork now to find these documents and do all that. Like that's a lot of work. And I don't know how he gets to it, but he clearly has he's even sad that he has two sources inside the university. So maybe they're able to get it to him, but regardless, yeah, I'm bullish on Dustin Spiro. Obviously, I'm, you know, with that as far as NCAA, I think we all have this similar feelings about regarding them, but if he shows that they intentionally circumvented this disclosure that Ed that someone from the admin or the coaches did that that's a level beyond just the analogy ability. So I think if that happens, I think the

40:46environment's right for them to open a case. And if they open, so if you ever see this case open, they're done. Just know that if it gets opened, it's done. Because they're very quite dry. Like what Nevada was saying, on eligibility, they're it's just letter of the law. They'd always do it. They never haven't Nevada. What you got on that, bro? Cut and dry. Well, I mean, look, it's it's I think what we're all hoping is that Justin's going to be very careful and and take his time. And you know, for him, it's about his reputation and he's always been that way. He's always been very thoughtful. And I know people want it now. You know, people wanted stuff six months ago and they're like, why aren't you doing it? But you know, as intrinsic says, there's a lot of work that goes into it. And you know, the Michigan's a master. And I saw today, Partridge, the ex coach sued Michigan today over his dismissal. And you know, you know, it just just another black eye for Ward manual on this. And you really went and wonder where the

41:48involvement is was the involvement at the administration level. Was it at the coach? You know, where was the where was the touch point with Blake Gorham on this thing? And do the roads lead up to Ward manual? Because you know, we've talked about the internal investigation that's going on that's going to ultimately result in his being fired, which I can't imagine, you know, any other possible result on it. But you just wondered, does you do all roads lead to Ward manual on this one? That's that's my question. Yeah. And then here's the other thing that we have not mentioned yet. There's still an ongoing investigation that we're waiting on the results of. Now you talk about skepticism. We're skeptical of the depths and the integrity of the investigation. But there is one, maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. Let me ask y'all on a on a confidence scale from one to 10. What is your confidence level? 10 be in the greatest that this is a legitimate investigation

42:49that they're that they're they're not playing around. They're uncovering they're overturning all stones. They're looking at every like this is a legit investigation. What's your confidence? I'll start with you intrinsic. I think part of it will be legit. I think the fact that they didn't expand this the scope of this third party investigation to include the Board of Regents and next president, because I understand some of this might wipe stuff involves the Board of Regents and next president. So if you really need to look into all the shady dealings, you need it comes from the very top. And even Tom Mars or lawyer said, culture comes from the top. So the fact that they've kind of isolated it into just athletic department, I think is a shame if they really wanted to clean up the culture, they'd start with the Board of Regents. But I do think some of it's legitimate. I mean part of it and part of the things that Be Moses and I know heard is that a recruiting director or someone in recruiting, there was another fair going on and that's going to be one of the additional firings. So let's see if that how that pans out. But I think they're going to I think they're going to do

43:53enough to make it seem like they've got it all out there. But I think some of the really bad stuff they would be willing to still hide or maybe not work with them to hide but not give them access to find out if that makes sense. Yeah, real quick Nevada before you weigh in, the difference of how state, you know, when our president, by the way, their name and the new president tomorrow at 9 a.m., you know, when when stuff pops off like that, it's handled swiftly. And you know, it's it's boom, boom, you're done. It's no, oh, it's been months, oh, we beat Ohio state, so we'll keep them around or or we'll, you know, wait till an investigation comes to to get them up out the paint. No, that's the difference. Men and women are going to do things that are unbecoming or make mistakes or or, you know, whatever, fall short, but how does the administration handle it? So that's one thing also intrinsic in Nevada. It's I'm glad to see this joy of Alaska

44:55as slander seems to have gone away from uncle T and all that foolishness and Ryan Day's brother. I have at least I haven't seen it lately. So, you know, it's just it's just so much mess and just ridiculousness from from them boys up north and the whole pot is just rotten and stinking. Nevada, wish on one to 10, wish at confidence level that the investigation is legit. Well, it's it's I'm going to have to say like a five just because it's going to be legit in that they already know they already know what the result is. They've been they've been they were told what the result needs to be for the thing. So it'll be legit towards the end of, you know, showing a report that talks about the culture and the athletic department being broken, how ward manual has lost the, you know, the trust of the board and needs to be removed for cause. And that's how they negotiate him out of his contract. So it's it'll be a legitimate illegitimate

45:57exercise because if it was truly legitimate, they would just say just do the work and it lead us where it leads us. But these guys know what the objective is. They are they they know the marching orders. They know they know what they have to get. And, you know, words got to go. You know, this thing with the Partridge thing is just the way you read the Partridge thing and, you know, ward manuals even says, oh, I was probably hasty on that. I was probably emotional. I remember like like he just he says stuff that you're like, what what are you? How do you still have a job? Right. How are you doing this? But yeah, so I'll say it'll be a legitimate illegitimate investigation because they they know what they're set out to find. All right, Ohio State self-reports Michigan throws phones into lakes and deletes text messages. We are not the same. Exactly. Men will send women will lie. People will make mistakes and do things. How does the management and the people up top handle said things? And Michigan

46:57has done everything but been forthcoming about all of their mess and scandals. And that includes their media. Anyway, Trenzi, you was about to say something? Yeah, I mean, as far as as far as the Ohio State situation, I just think if this was that so yes, one person, the lone wolf argument that Michigan fans like like to revert to that they have like eight or nine lone wolves. Yeah, if one person goes rogue and does something bad, you know, that that really isn't doesn't point to there being a huge institutional problem. But when you have, you know, your head coach, then your next head coach, both offensive coordinators, when you have this systemic problems that all sudden, then you start pointing towards the institution. Like if this was Michigan, the president would be doing it. And then, you know, there'd be someone underneath him who was doing something funny, and it just would keep going. So yeah, that's the big difference. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chamba by my side.

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49:05first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S.com and use code audio. Yeah, but oh yeah, so anyways, I just wanted to give you some numbers. So at the beginning of this month, over 2.1 million dollars had been spent on this investigation at Michigan's riding. So that's another 2.1 million. Any investigation has gone on longer than was expected because it was expected to be resolved in the middle of January. So something set this investigation off. You guys showed my post on that a few weeks ago, but this investigation has gone longer because someone inside Michigan is talking. So I think we're going to see some things in that report that we like too as far as that goes. I think, oh, that we like, I mean, I like because I hate on this place, but it probably won't be very nice things involving more people knowing about more and going back and whatnot. I think it's going to be like Nevada said with the end result to try to push word manual off. All right, real quick. I'm going to read this. I think this is important for even more

50:07context from Justin standpoint and also some of the criticism. So he got a tweet from some guy named Chris. It says, you keep saying there's strong evidence to support your claims, but you never present the evidence just in. That's not how proving a case works. If you want anyone caps, he yelled to believe you, you are going to have to produce. We are basically several years into saying the sky is falling. Justin's response, the evidence is off the record. I could have reported Sharon, Sharon Moore's affair in October of 2024, 14 months before I eventually broke that story. I had the evidence then to, but instead of burning sources, I kept digging until I could report it the right way just like now. To me, that post is bars. That really tells you he's giving you the receipts like, okay, you keep mocking me, but I have integrity. I'm holding back

51:07because I'm integral and I have sources that I have respect for. And so out of respect for my sources, I'm not going to jump the gun no matter how tasty and delicious it might be to do so. And so he's telling you, you're still mocking me now. And I'm telling you I have evidence, just like I told you, and I have it, and it's in or should run more. So it's just like, again, we're all scappy hippo about the NCAA. I know I am, but how could you doubt this cat at this point as if he's just lying and making stuff up? I'm just saying, I'm just saying, fellas, Nevada, what you got on that, man? Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Justin's careful. I mean, Justin's been very careful about this, but if you've been following this case, it's been, you know, it's been, there's been a buildup on this. We've seen it coming. We've seen him kind of going to the line and kind of stepping back. And we know what he's been looking for. And he seems to have found it. And

52:08I'm just, I just want justice to be done. You know, I've always thought that way. I felt like, you know, the last case, you know, as intrinsic pointed out, rightfully, you know, the NCAA tried to do the right thing. The COI went rogue on something like this. It seems like it's less squishy. It's less, you know, under other, you know, powers as available. This is, you know, pretty, pretty cut and dried. And vacating wins doesn't hurt the kids. You know, going back in terms of anything, anything backward doesn't hurt the current players. So that argument would seemingly be to have removed from it as well. So I'm excited about it. I'm consciously optimistic about it. And I can't wait to get Justin on the show and see what we can squeeze out of him when we get him on the podcast. Yeah, for sure. And for those, you know, who say the phrase, I'm not trying to get my hopes up. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't think that way. Like,

53:10my thing is this, I'm going to go about my business. I'm going to talk about Buckeye football, I'm going to enjoy my life. And as this is cooking and brewing, if it comes out, that hey, they're going to get popped and celebrate. If, if it doesn't end up being anything, all right, cool. Are we going to move on? We know that he was fake. We know their cheaters. We know all of that, but this would definitely be justice, like full justice, if this were to occur. So I would, I would submit that to you. Don't look at this as, oh, I don't want to listen to this and give my hopes up. No, just taking the facts, taking the logic, taking the breakdown of like, okay, this is what we're dealing with. And just, you know, let the chips fall. Interest, are you got anything to say about any of that? Yeah, I mean, we've seen two more national champions in San Stan. I don't see any of the national champions talking about their legitimacy from year to year, like that's constantly happening. These guys are still trying to defend the legitimate title. I don't think anything's going to change that that title was surrounded

54:12by on field cheating and their coach being suspended multiple times in a season and the investigation and fallout and understand, I think part of the, part of the optimism, if you're going to have some optimism is the NCAA. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chamba. Jump in at chambacasino.com. Let's Chamba. No purchase necessary, VTW Group. Boy, we're prohibited by law, CTNC, 21 plus sponsored by Chamba Casino. When you manage procurement for multiple facilities, every order matters. But when it's for a hospital system, they matter even more. Granger gets it and knows there's no time for managing multiple suppliers and no room for shipping delays. That's why Granger offers millions of products and fast, dependable delivery. So you can keep your facility stocked, safe, and running smoothly. Call 1-800-Ranger, click ranger.com or just stop by. Granger, for the ones who get it done. You're a pro at running your life, at committing to your workout, at showing up every day,

55:14at Bombast War Pro's too. Pro's at making stocks. Our sportist Orban has specialized stocks for whatever sport you're committed to. Running, hiking, golf, Pilates, and so much more. Mabous sweat-wicking yarns, blister fighting details, and targeted art support. Bombast sport is pro-level stocks from the pros of stocks. For another pro, you go to bombast.com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's bombast.com and use code audio. I don't believe if I worked in that NCAA, that that decision was what they wanted in negotiations as reported by Ross Dallinger. I also think that we've seen the complete collapse of this program afterward. We've seen Sherone Moore engaging stuff to people who are not football fans see as very egregious, very offensive to someone who's married with children, dangerous, right? So then they start noticing, okay, well, this stems from a cultural problem. Well, then boom, not only that, we have a SA case that's even more disgusting with allegedly the head coach saying he wanted

56:19in on it. You got to understand like this, this is offensive to your ordinary person and it's all stems from this not being taken care of properly. The NCAA should have, or the COI and their decision should have taken care of this and made it. So Sherone Moore was not able to coach there. You understand if everyone from Harbaugh, now they're saying we got a cleaner to treat free press. We have to clean out everyone from the Harbaugh era's. Listen, that should have happened by the organization governing the sport, okay? If you did that, we don't have this Sherone Moore. We don't have this Latroy Lewis allegations, right? So I think that and part, this is building. It's not building from just an investigative stance from Spiro doing his work. Spiro's credibility is growing. He's also getting more sources and more people who keep eyes on his stuff like far stool tape, for instance, he was not looking at Spiro's stuff six months ago, right? He is now. There's a lot of eyes on this right now. So when this comes to release, I think the appetite's here.

57:22Let's do the just thing. Let's do the just thing. Get everything out there, not just from your internal report, but get everything out there and let's just move on. I mean, regardless, it's tainted. You can see that in behaviors, but that's what needs to happen here. Nevada, that was a transit. That was a great, great spiel. Like what he just said is so, so important. Where he, but the meat or the highlight of what he just said is basically if you would have done the right thing and cleaned house of the riff raffes and all the Tom Foulery and all the perverts and all the then residual victims were created because you didn't do that. Like that's that's true. That's painfully true. The Troy Lewis, the accused alleged rapist would not be there to do that. And to, you know, come at the young lady like he did and sure, like all of that, that matters.

58:24But that's what happens when you don't have good leadership to do what's right. To not just do what's right, but to protect others. I mean, it's just, it's crazy. Nevada, any response to that? Well, look, I mean, we've all been part of organizations and, you know, you know, you know what you can get away with. You know what's going on and Harbock created an atmosphere up there where stuff like this was okay. You know, cheating in any shape or form was okay. The rules didn't apply. Reporting didn't exist. You know, I mean, that's the environment that that is his legacy. As much as people want to talk about the 2023 undefeated scene, that is his legacy. I mean, he left that program in tatters literally. And then on the way out, took all the staff, the strength and conditioning coach and burned it down behind him and then and left. You know, we, you know, he'd said for years, we'd said, Sean Moore's the guy that's got to go down with the plane because somebody's, you know, somebody's got to do it. And that's exactly what it was.

59:28He was not qualified to do it. They put him in that job. Somehow, he beat Ohio State that first year. And, you know, they were ready to put him on the Mount Rushmore of Grates. And, you know, it was all, it was all, it was all lie. The entire Jim Harball experience was a, was a object failure for Michigan. And they're still, you know, they're still paying the price. But this is directly the residue of that Harball higher some 10 years ago. Yep. So true. What a mess, man. It's ridiculous. Let's get to these super chats. Jay Cobra and thanks for the 49. Bye-bye, fake natty. What up in transit and scoop family? Yes. Again, it will be glorious to see this happen. But even if it doesn't, we know what the deal is in transit. Any response to that? Just what up, Jay? Oh, thanks for your comment. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's all ready fake. It's already tight tainted. I mean, it just be hilarious. It just be so funny if they did put the final

1:00:31down the coffin. But either way, I mean, if you follow this discourse on a day-to-day basis, these people are constantly trying to defend it. It's so funny to me. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Listen about it. Well, yeah. Now, I think the, you know, I think what in transit said those fine on it, if the NCAA opens an investigation is that it's, it's done. You know, so just that, you know, sometimes you wait for the result, the incident of the investigation and the committee in fact, but, you know, if they open it, Michigan's in deep, deep trouble. So that's what will, uh, we'll, we'll be waiting to see if, uh, if they do the right thing, we'll wait to see what type of evidence Justin can put. But yeah, I, I, I like the fact that they've been forever tainted. Because it's the right thing. I don't, well, I didn't want to be tainted just because they're Michigan, but they were cheating. They, they were cheating. They should never have had it in the first place. And it's, it's good to see this thing coming around on them. Definitely. And uh, stilly Matt, man, I, I'll skip right past your chat, man, my bad. Thanks for the one and not welcome in transit, our sporty brother. Yes, you are, you are beloved here in transit.

1:01:36I've been trying to find excuses and, and just making up titles and topics to get you on here. Like, man, how can we get him back on here? But tonight was perfect, made sense. So I'm glad you were able to come on, uh, in transit. All right. Uh, stilly Matt, thanks for the one and not, the vacuum cleaner earrings are hilarious. Yes, they were. I mean, that was just like, isn't one of those things like when you're creating the AI video, like Justin was just like, you know, what, let me put vacuum cleaner earrings on him. I mean, like, I got to ask him that. Next time I talk to him, like, what made you think of that? It was just, it was hilarious, Nevada. Yeah, what's amazing what you can do with AI? Man, it's amazing what you can do with AI and, you know, the, the dancing with the, uh, with the vacuum and into the Harry Potter music and everything like that was, uh, was, was pretty inspired as well. So you know, the whole thing is great, but Justin, Justin's definitely improved his, uh, his short film game as whatever we want to call it. He's, he's definitely improving again. That part is improving as well. So Justin, if you're listening A plus and this latest effort, very score a sazy like for sure. Um,

1:02:42Mark from dub C member for night scubaught you remember for nine months. We appreciate you. Whatever happened to honor and integrity being rewarded. Preach, preach, preacher. I don't know. I don't know when it comes to the NCAA. Well, I'm sorry, the CLI and I'm glad it was funny is intrinsic. Me and Nevada have corrected ourselves and corrected that in general many times, but it's so easy to slip back into lumping them in because you're correct. The NCAA did their job and said, Hey, this deserve this deserves a two year bow ban. They need to get cracked and then the CLI went rogue. That's the fair. That's what happened, but we lumped them in, you know, it's kind of by just, this is what we do, but great point. Um, intrinsic. Did you want to respond to that? Yeah. I mean, honor, I mean, in the real world, honor and integrity is rewarded. I can tell you, I do with the Michigan fans all the time. They do not feel the same way about their championship. As you guys felt about yours the year after, like, there's a price to pay to some of this. I mean,

1:03:47hopefully, I mean, it's been since 1948, since they legitimately won an outright title. Maybe someday they can experience that we've experienced at Michigan State more recently than they have. But regardless is no one respects that title. This goes from Sports Talk Jay. You talk to SEC fans, you know, the people fall in my content. It's very similar to that. And I have people from all over the country. They do not respect that title and they're laughed at over it. But regardless, you want to do things the right way in life. And when you do that success feels so much better, because make no mistake, every player on that team knew what was going on. They all knew that they had its advantage. And I just don't understand how you as a player, who is a player can feel good about doing that to your fellow fellow peer and college athletes. So I'm sure they're going to pay the consequences or they already are in life. At least that's how I view the situation. Yeah. Did you have anything on that one, Nevada? No, I just I totally agree. I think the fact that they're just a laughing stock and that they've

1:04:49done so much permanent damage to their brand. Because this, you know, this type of a, you know, affiliation is not going to go away in people's mind anytime soon. I mean, this is going to be here for the rest of my natural life people are going to, you know, think of them as the cheaters. And that, you know, we might have not liked them before, but we never thought they were cheating. But now, like they're forever known as the cheaters. And that's that's that's a terrible moniker to have have around your neck for the rest of your rest of your time. Very true. It just one little thing started to interrupt. How are you good? You go. They have a bridge coach right now. This coach has averaged eight and four his entire career. I know he's a he's a very straight-lice, respectable guy, but coaches did not want to come there and coach for them. Their program has not looked at as a premier program because of all this stuff. They are still in the fallout of this program over what they did. So some of this is karma coming back at them. Agreed. We said they were that winning hand. We said we liked them. He's a nice guy. Good coach, especially 10 years ago,

1:05:52whatever. He was really strong, but he's a bridge coach. We agree. And so Michigan fans hate when we say that, but it's all good. Still, Lee Matt, thanks for the one and I appreciate you very much in transit. Another shout out for you. Thanks for the two BMOS's L.O.C. when now sale picks with the fist airing. I like it. Undercover brother flavor to it. I'm gonna get on that, man. I got to get these L.O.C.'s popping. All right. Last super chat here. And it's a good one to end out with Joshua Dillon. Thanks for being a scoop. I'll just remember for 13 months. Basketball question for you. I got to break up the football talk for a second. How far y'all think we go in a big 10 turning? And how far do we go in the NCAA turning? Love you guys. Something light of my night. Oh, highlight of my night. Okay. Got you. So I'll go first. So for those who don't know, Buckeyes play Iowa tomorrow in Chicago at noon. Okay. They play Iowa.

1:06:53They got destroyed by Iowa at Iowa a couple of weeks ago. They started off 14 to two. I was pumping the bottle. I was like, Oh, we got to get them. And then they went on a 31 to four run or something goofy like that. And it was just they put on a clinic in Iowa. Now I feel like this team is going to be very motivated on a neutral site to write the wrong of that game because Iowa's a good team, but they're not that good. We just played poorly. We were missing Tilly. It was just an avalanche of just foolishness. So I think we're going to be Iowa. I don't know if I have the confidence to say we're going to beat the team up north because that's who we play if we be Iowa. So I'm going to say we be Iowa and we and we take Michigan down to the very last minute. And they just pull away at the free the line or something like that. Nevada, what you got on that? What you thought? Oh, yeah. NCAA tournament. I think we went in the first round and go off the second. Go ahead, Nevada. Yeah. Oh, I think we're going to be Iowa. And I think we're going to

1:07:55be Michigan. I do. I think I think I think we're a hot team. And I think we're going to make the sweet 16. I don't know if we'll go past that, but I think we'll make the sweet 16 hot teams that are shooting the ball well with veteran point guards generally do okay in these tournament situations. And I like the Ohio State because we're shooting the ball really well right now. And I think that can that can take us far. Great. Now in transit, as we close out, and I know we got this reminder, we got dad and VB coach coming on next shortly in a few minutes. VB coach is a great poster on Buckeye's group. He's a he's an online coach. Great mind. They're going to have Jamie Subner on Jamie Subner play with Orlando pace. It should be a great, great show. But before we close out in transit, what's your thoughts on your Michigan State Spartans in the big 10 tournament? Their bracket and the NCAA. What's your your prediction on how far they go? My unbiased prediction. I think we win the tournament and we at least get to the 8. I don't think

1:09:00our team has a crazy high ceiling, but I do think you know, we play a really good defense and is all really knows how to coach in these moments. So I think I think we can I think we can get to the lead a and we can win this tournament for sure. Okay. Well, if we beat Michigan, I think we'll end up seeing y'all in the championship game. And that should be fun. And so and shout out to Isleman for showing love to Bruce Thornton and Ohio State. He's always been sort of a quiet ally supporter. I don't know. It's just it's I don't know, but shout out to Isleman. But I'm excited about my Buckeye's being in the NCAA tournament. I know it's not official yet, but it's official. So I can't wait. But anyway, listen, another great show. I always enjoy doing a show with intrinsic. I know Nevada does as well. We're going to keep you posted. We're going to talk to Justin. We're going to keep everything, you know, Bruin and we'll just keep you up on what's going on. So until next time, make sure you go slide over to Devon show and check them out. But we

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