OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??mp3

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1:00Thursday evening. I would say happy Thursday evening. But we know what happened earlier today. We're going to talk about it. But before we do, do me a favor. Hit that like button. Hit that subscribe button if you have not already. Also, for those who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple. Apple people, save us from Apple podcasts. Nine Apple people. Go to spreeker.com and save us there. We're going to be talking about the Ohio State Game, Ohio State Falls, the TCU today, tough game. We're going to talk about it. Obviously, a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future. We're going to talk about that as well. But also, when you send those wonderful superchats, helps to go towards the pay it forward, which is our military and our first responders. We're going to look out for them because they always look out for us. Nevada Buck, brother. Brother, brother, brother. What's up, man? I'm sad, Mike and I lie. I'm sad that we lost today.

2:03We lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. And it's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be football, football, which is great, which I love talking about. But the buck I see has ended a little too prematurely for me today. And just sad, you know, you being the great player that you were. I'm more interested in your thoughts initially, because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought. And for some reason, you know, who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the flack of the game is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre, because I actually thought he played pretty good today. And, you know, I mean, other than Mowl Blue, who clearly was our best player, I thought Tilly might have been our second or at worst third best player.

3:04But for some reason, he's just catching Straits from here, and I just wondered when you were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us? Or did your thoughts go elsewhere? Well, I mean, the hope the first half was bad. And so Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half. Was he the worst on the on the floor? No, but he was being goofy, and he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has some skill for his size, but man, it's just like, he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical consistently. And I think that's some of the people's complain about Tilly, finishing around a rim stronger. To me, he's too hesitant. It's just like, dude, like, but I mean, he is who he is. He averaged 11 points a game this year, and he scored 10 today. He averaged four rebounds a game, and he had six. He averaged two assists a game. He played better in the second half.

4:04He played better in the second half. I'll give him that. I mean, I mean, I just feel like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the game. Like I felt the rest were letting them play at an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that a nerd-doll-house-dates benefit. I think they let TCU get away with a lot, and then at the end of the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they called, one, we were up three, and they called a three-point play. I'm barely any contact at all. They thought it was a little incongruent. But yeah, no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the story of the game, you lose a two-point game. You have the all-time leading score in the history of Ohio State basketball, who averaged his 20 points a game, and he has one basket in the second half of a game where you're down 15 and a half time. Now, that is a problem right there.

5:05That is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field, and score 10 points. One of the all-time leading score in Ohio State history in a game, and Bruce Thornton couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game, ever at Ohio State? Maybe, maybe. I mean, he picked the peculiar, I mean, there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse, you know what I'm saying? There you go. I mean, I think that, yeah. I mean, he's the all-time leading score in school history, the all-time leading score, and he shot 33% from the field, and had one basket in the second half. I mean, but we're talking about Kristoff Tilly. I don't know, I'm just confused, to be honest with you. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy. Oh, Tilly, I don't agree with that. I think he could have played better than the first half. Like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me.

6:07I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly because of the stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly. I agree. Now, let's get to Bruce Thornton, and we'll just talk about the game. So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams, like all through the schedule, blitz, Bruce Thornton, double shading. Just think about it. We mostly talk about football. So who are you football people? Just look at it as a rolling coverage, right? Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith's side. Think about it like that. If you don't know basketball that well, it's like, when Bruce Thornton gets the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like a diamond following him around. If you look at what TCU was doing, the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the game plan.

7:08So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough, you don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're, when that, when you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack and when you attack, you have to know how to attack. And this is what I mean. I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated, he was frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game, to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart, like going into the body of punch instead of pulling up for that little 10 foot shot that he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton. We didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the same physicality. TCU played like they've been in the tournament recent,

8:08like they have, they've been in the tournament in the recent years, we have it. We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big. Now, obviously we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game, but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to steal fight back, but it just wasn't enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing, because I love Bruce Thornton, and I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent, but I think today showed why. Yes, he's the leading scorer because he's been here for four years. He's been consistent, great kid. He stayed with a house date, but he's not, he's not Michael Red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level, because again, even with that attention on him,

9:11yes, be patient, get it to your guys, but you gotta be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like Elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead, I know you wanna jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. I just, you know, I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life, and having coach, not at the highest level, but coach a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look, and then he would go stand in the corner. They had completely buffaloed, and at that point, as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to, and I'm screaming the whole first half, I'm like, let Mobile, let Mobile run the offense. Do not get the ball out of his hands, you know, and the fact that it took an entire half

10:13on something that I literally recognized at 1733 to go in the first half, it took, and once we switched to Mobile, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing. How can, I just, I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out. I just, I'm, I'm just, I'm really struggling with that. Look, if somebody's gonna take something away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that, over and over and over again, because clearly, the authority didn't have it, whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered, whatever was going on. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

11:14That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year, we get bigger and better in our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. How does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow, Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm, thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepople.com for an office near you. Yeah, I mean, I just, he couldn't beat anybody off the dribble. And I saw, I'll say, I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to eight down the clock and then running some hurried set

12:15and getting some crappy shot up? And you know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying, oh, we don't attack. Or how state doesn't, we don't, that's not what we play. And I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you. When you've got the ball, I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today, not once. I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we switched them all through, though, everything switched. And I just don't understand why Jake Debeler, who I like Jake Debeler, I want Jake Debeler to be successful. How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without adjusting?

13:18Yeah, and I've seen it. He did, he adjusted, but it was later, like you said. I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose instead of him bringing a ball up court. But it was later. And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right. But you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player. Let him work through it. Let him make good decisions through it and press through it. And that's what I think Debeler was thinking. But it just obviously, it didn't work well. But yes, running the offense through Moby was better, you know, as far as the flow of the offense and getting things going. But not just that. I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in a first half. And it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm. TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in a second half, they stepped up, started playing much better.

14:19You know, started matching that physicality. TCU got a little cold and whatnot. But just came up short. We can, honestly, bro, we can talk about, unless you got more to say about that, we can talk about what everybody's talking about, which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean, that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada. I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat that you can't give up that position. Now, Bynum is a freshman. He's a pretty big physical kid. And that TCU kid is no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played good defense on punch on that play. But that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him. But that was just tough, man. Nevada, what you got? Well, you know, I'm, yeah, I mean,

15:21would I like to have seen Bynum, you know, play a little better defense on that? Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU. And he was able to wall him off. And look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation. I just, again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock, and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference. But if they run it down to the very end, which they did, credit to TCU. But given the rules where you can't advance the ball, I'm telling, I'm telling my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the ball across half court. And then we call the time out. You know what I'm saying? Like anything you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court and then you call the time out. I think, you know, but again, that's, that's the kind of, and that's, this isn't a second guess. This was something I was saying with numbers 30 seconds when TCU was setting up their shot. I'm like, you've got to anticipate that. And you got to be telling the guys, look, when this happens, you know, if they score, get it into the front court, let's call time out, let's get something set up, let's run a play, he was obviously what they were doing.

16:22They were coming in high to Tilly. He was going to go back to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner jumper. But, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play, but I think the setup to that could have been better. Which goes to the whole day, I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, and incidentally, you know, game. It's literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just, you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake Debeler's deficiencies were on display today. And as I had coached, and I think his inexperienced showed.

17:22And, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been, you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely lit, I think we gotta give Debel more time. Now I'm not sure. I'm gonna, I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing because I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his ability to say it's coached. Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. Now I hear you, here's the last play. So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of trippin' to myself like, some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy.

18:22I would have gave it to Mobley in this situation. I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter. Like, I would have, if you're gonna draw that up, I would have drew it up for Mobley. Not only that, but the other team is looking for your senior, your all-time leading score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them. And so, I don't know, that's just me. But yes, I agree that, and I don't even say the hindsight, but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys, get it across, get it across. That should be something you do in practice in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three. You know, or even throw it down low to get a foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate.

19:23Now, as far as what you said about Debler, yeah. I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Debler is a bad coach. I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation, success-wise, maybe, if he was brought in three years after the whole, and like, he went to a max school, cut his teeth, came back. He was retained. I think the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good coach, he's bright. But today probably showed, like you said, his efficiencies that he's still learning. And so, you know, but also, I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Debler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure

20:26they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster, period. Now, I told you all, I just want Buckeye Basketball to be a lead. I want Buckeye Basketball to compete for championships like under that motto, you know, like how we were. Consistently, sweet 16 or, you know, like, in the tournament, elite, that's what I want. If that's getting rid of Debler, okay, but who are we going to get? And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying it better be somebody good. We better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them, period. I don't care who it is, Debler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be fair. Debler is, you know, he made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early but let's not act like he's had the full support

21:30and had a full, you know, deep roster. He hasn't, he has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either way, I want to fix. The question is, is Debler, is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada, by the Buckeye, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big 10 games we won in four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time. The players like him, they respond to him. We got to McDonald's on American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that? Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, the question I asked is, like, I'm world-hierry state. And you can talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do? I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points, but I'm going to say no.

22:30But yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base. Or you know, I'm saying none of that. But you know, they managed to put the other team and you know, beep was kind. And I know it's one game and everything else like that. But it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting better or are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I think for a higher state. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard years recently that said, 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere in North, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger

23:31and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 7365. Wow, Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you. You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year. But you know, it's deeper to the guide. You know, are you delaying the inevitable? You know, do you see Jake Gieber? Yeah, I mean, I guess the question would be like, do you think Jake Gieber will be the head coach here to house eight and five years or 10 years? You know what I mean? Do you think he's got that kind of longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical. But you know, it's one of those things where, you know, I just don't, I don't know.

24:32And, you know, I, like I said, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding, you know, at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in, you know, it's not the X's and I was just the Jimmy's and Joe's and they've got to perform. But in basketball of all the games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they affect everything on in-bounds plays, on rotations, you know, switching defense. I mean, there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know, a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, I, like I said, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on to Moby's hands. I mean, I get, you know, trying to play rhythm, if the thing about what you said, if everything you're saying, you're just, they're playing two guys over the top on under,

25:33shaking the entire defense, they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then, how do you have that guy to keep running into that mass front over and over and over again? When you've got, you know, a player Moby who can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that. He's a guy, he's a viable option. It's not like he hasn't done it with the ball in his hands, you know, so far this year. I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That, that's the thing that's kind of confounding me. Way more of the sort than the, you know, the play design on the last play, or, you know, should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other, or even his fortations. I mean, even, you know, getting cup in there and doing some of the things that he did. I just, I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to Moby who at least scored, or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know. You know, any, any option you had was bad in that one. 4.3 seconds. Basically, we've all seen the Christian Latener thing

26:35and we, you know, like, I know it could happen, but it's hard. It's, it's really, really hard. And it, you know, it's a, it's a low percentage play no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, um, but I don't know. I, I, I, let me put you, if I'm on Ohio State, I am definitely working the following to see who's available and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because, um, I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now. And, uh, if you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it. I don't, I don't think so. If you're not going to keep them long term, then I think you get rid of them now. Okay, I think you just cut your losses and, and, and move on. Yeah, question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will. And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden. Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant. Like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game

27:37because again, they were all over him. They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom. He did not hesitate, pull it up. Like it was needed. Like, boom, like he, that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leadership be doing. And to me, I feel like early in the game. I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was, but you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play, I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it, boom. Like that was needed throughout the entire game to really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada. I mean, listen, I hear you.

28:39You mentioned a high point. I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway. And shoot, CNN gave Duke all they could handle today. This tournament, you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams and 12s take out fives and whatever. But I don't know Nevada. I mean, the question for me is, what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep Dealer. I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of Dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know what, he might be okay. No, if you fire Dealer, go get somebody, be aggressive like you would be a football and go get somebody that says, this is a home run higher

29:42and this is just it, Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident in this administration to do that in basketball as I am in football. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, I just don't know. Well, I just give you a fun fact, little fun stat. And then I'll give that to your question. Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit his first three point of the game in 33 seconds into the game and then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds left in the game and between that period in time, between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first three seconds left. So in the last, in 39 minutes, he had one basket and then he had one basket. Yeah.

30:42You know what I'm saying? I just can't happen. That can't happen. No, no, no. I mean, 39 minutes, one basket and two free throws. That's all that was it. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, look, cano has they do it? Absolutely. I mean, look, Ohio State just signed Nadine Muzzle Roll. They're hockey coach to a new five-year contract. Keeping her away from Minnesota. I mean, Ohio State can do whatever they want. And basketball is not an irrelevant sport. If you're not talking about archery or fencing or something like that or women's lacrosse, we're talking about basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money if you've got a decent team. There's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success in recent success. So, to me, I think they've got to be working the phones going after it and trying to see what's available

31:42because, you know, I want to see what options that might have for this. Yeah. I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure. Like I said, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously, basketball is not football, but it's not, I don't know, rifle. Are they actually one national championships at a house state or good too? But you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like I get that. I understand that. But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that. I don't think it's impossible. You sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected last game and all that, man, sucks. And it was a, it was an emotional roller coaster today.

32:42We're down 15 out to have. I'm thinking, I kept saying to my people, barring a small miracle. This game is over, which I still stand by that, because to me, I was being able to come back like we did with a small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first half. But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then can crashing down at the end and it was very frustrating, very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program past four years. The first time in tournament in the past four years is tough in itself. So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question, Mark, for me, what are we going to do? Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIO funds, portal, you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in and plug and play

33:42and make a big impact and, and all that. So that's the question. I mean, that, you know, that's pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah. Now, I think I'm, I'm going to go with my final answer, being I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I mean, I'm going to be definitely testing the lines with the, with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State is really looking for it. But I just, I think something like this. I mean, I think, I think Ohio State fans, you saw it from the, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team. They really want to get behind the basketball team. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. Um, I think I saw Billboard years recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

34:42Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. It's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7365. Wow. Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepople.com for an office near you. But, um, you know, something like this where, you know, you're right. The first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and felt like it could have been higher than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five-point lead in the second half. And then, you know, you, you, you know, to, to have.

35:42I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience. And, and I mean, I gotta say it coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think if we had FADMAT, FADMATA, even, yeah, can we, I think if we had Chris Holman, I think we'd have won the game today. But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical. You know, we'll, we'll never know. Um, but I, I, I, I thought, I thought deeper was really bad today. And I, and I've ruined it for I like deeper. I, you know, I like that. I love that loves his brother. I want dealer to be it. But I just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our inbound split, you know, like, one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many, you know, how often we'd scored off of in-bounds plays and stuff. And I, I didn't even like our in-bounds plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the way we were doing it. Just, it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, um, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, Chris, I was there. And so I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be a house.

36:43It's going to be looking. But I'm going to, I'll, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their, if they're making calls because this is, this is when they start making them. It's right now. Yes. I was going to say, please, holler at your sources because I want to know. I want to know. Um, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof with a house they football doing whatever it takes to get to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So, yes, please keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing. That's a non basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada. I'm going to share my screen real quick. And, um, the chat, tell me if y'all heard about this because it's tournament time. And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar. But did y'all see the incident approved changes to targeting suspension in one year trial?

37:44So here it is. For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game. The division won football, both subdivision oversight committee on Thursday approved a one year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty. For the 26 season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can participate in the following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught. A player who draws a second targeting pinning of this season will be required. Sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the twenty twenty twenty five season. So to me, this is low key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe clat has hated it. He's been pounding the table others haven't mentioned it.

38:44I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here Nevada. What's your thoughts on this brother? Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So let me just say, you know, I let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws in targeting targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's like that old saying by Justice Potter, they asked him the definition of pornography. And he goes, I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of I feel a targeting like we know it when we see it. Like so if you have a hit and I'm you know what I'm talking about you've been in a house they fan. You know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits were at the last second. I think that quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side. You know, I'm saying something like that that that to me is not targeting until so until they.

39:45I like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But yeah, I think until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the when you slow everything down to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact almost every single play. You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90% of the same. You know what I'm saying? Like it could be your forearm. It could be your hand. It could be your shoulder. It could be your wrist. I mean, something's going to make contact with the head or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to doing the review like that. I really think it's just got to be. I've always felt like there should be like two penalties like one for the most egregious ones and another. Should be a five yard. I don't know. I don't know what exactly what the answer is. But I think it's just I don't like the application of the rule in general.

40:45The way that they do it because I think about that. That game that we played against Clemson. When we got the remember we got the targeting penalty on the. On the side way on the side way on the on the sack of Trevor like to be there is no way in the world. That is targeting, but that got called for targeting. And so until you address that to me, that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty second penalty, maybe third period, one game, half game, no game, whatever. I just hate the rule period and you know until they change that, then. You know, I don't know where to go with that. I mean, what do you think about targeting? What do you ask? How do you feel about the application and how do you feel about how the rules been been called in recent years? I mean, you you kind of just spoke my mind and you brought up that shine weight targeting penalty to me is the chair. It's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no, it's not just because I'm a book. I fan he dropped his head sunshine dropped his head right at the moment when shine weight was coming.

41:52If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting like to me there has to be common sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head. Like come on, man. Like listen, I one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's it's a it's a the rule is terrible because it's so subjective. You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy and another game through the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say you're right on it, but that shine weight play against Clemson. That was so trash and that's still hot to me is like two two plays in that game and like the worst plays in my book. I fandom of officiating. So I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead. No, I know the second one was the Akuta one were you know on the on the the fumble recurring.

42:54Which is the worst column in the history of calls. I think it goes to a more basic thing. And this is something we've talked about before, but it's it's about replay. And you know, replay was set up to reverse. In disputable video evidence of air on the field in disputable meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape. I feel the same way should be with targeting if it's not so clear and obvious. But it's not targeting you know with review review should not be. I think or oh yeah that looks like or yeah that appears to be it should only be black and white. I think targeting should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white and and I think too many times. The review official the guy they want to get involved they want to make the big call they want to do the thing. So they change that until they get the application right on replay.

43:55I think it it dribbles into into targeting as well. I think they should it should be the same standard in disputable video. It should have to be it's indisputable video evidence of targeting like there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be well yeah that kind of look like that or wow he did come drop it. There's any doubt it shouldn't be a penalty. It's just where I'm at and that's how I feel about review about replaying and you know I've been saying that for years about reply. Yep you have you been consistent with replay and so I agree I mean I don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't I think it predict protects guys from bad refereeing so that they don't get ejected for a half a game. I don't like that player because of a bad call so I like that. Now what's going to happen after that trial will see but I thought that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament. I thought that was a significant piece of information to update so definitely wanted to run that by one but listen.

45:00Tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end it is what it is. We have a lot of future holds with Devler with a how state does and all that and will absolutely keep you up on that. But spring practices back next week we'll get on that and we're always going to hit you with content and coverage. All things Buckeye football basketball whatever's relevant. We're going to hit you with any last words Nevada for behalf of here. You know that I mean look we can officially kind of close the book on Buckeye basketball you know obviously they'll you know kind of work on get ready for for next year. Be interested to see who they who they return who they get in the portal you know what's going on with that but. You know hey Buckeye football is going and we're going to have it we're going to have a scrimmage next weekend and. That that'll be those are always fun because then we really get to see been the ball trip line. For sure and top G center super chat thanks for the one ninety nine got to go this program needs a caliperio patino.

46:01So yeah we're going to see we are going to see I agree we deserve an elite coach. Are you know are we can devler be an elite coach three four years from now maybe is it worse waiting to see I don't know either way. You know is we go and see in Nevada I'm waiting here for your contacts your agent folks to see what's really going on but you know time will tell I will tell what do you think about those names caliperio patino I know he doesn't mean literally them. But it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach would you think about that well I know I wouldn't mind somebody was some stature I wouldn't even mind somebody was some stature in some baggie I don't that that stuff doesn't bother me I think. All of college basketball recruiting is a little crooked and people can say what they want about that but that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is so if they had to get somebody was some that's that I don't have a problem with it either that or you know you go with the last on our span.

47:04The last honest man coaching you get you get from the cheese it to get B Moses you get B Moses and you bring him in there and you're like look we're going to go with ethicalness we're going to go with you you're kind of coach Carter you can put like you're like my reputations up there on the wall there guys. I'm just putting them up there and then leads to victory the old like you did the cheesets and the cheesets came together like this year they were like a like a dispirited group they come up there and you molded them into champions. They all woke up with the cheesies when at the end of the day. You know, so they're definitely cheesies at the end of the day do I have my cheesy graphic. Where's my cheesy graph I didn't upload it here did I didn't get I wanted to share it on my house uploading oh no there it is there it is right there. Did it pop up. Oh, that's got to be that's got to be a Halloween cop that's got to be a Halloween costume that is bad to be a Halloween costume.

48:08Oh man that is hilarious. I'm available though I'll tell you what I would recruit well I know how talk to the young boys young boys. I'm sure I'm sure you better open up with them a little bit out there just they may say hey let's play little one on one there and if I beat you then you come to last night. Then you commit deal. That's right. I don't worry about that right now. Don't worry about that. Don't decide. Right. Right. What about me. Oh, sounds like it's seen from. Oh, why my why is the movie escape me. Denzel Washington Ray Allen Jesus shuttles worth. He got gang. I don't know if you see that before. Is his dad he's playing one on one. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway go go watch it. I'm thinking I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the nicknulty local good honest guy.

49:09I think it's lured into the lured rule of recruiting them. You're delivering tractors out to something out there in the farm. Happy was the name happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors and. I mean they had penny hard away shack. Who was the white boy with the jumper that has the try. I forget his name. For Indiana you get for Indiana right. Yeah, that movie that was that movie was crazy. Al Bundy was the investigative reporter. I might have to go back and watch that. That's good stuff. So we always go off with the tangent. But listen, listen, it's all good man. We love doing this. It's fun today sucked. It is what it is. We still got football. We still got football. You all we got it. We going to be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And listen until next time we love your book our school family book our nation. Go bucks as always, please.

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