OSU Insider-Should Ohio State Fire Jake Diebler??mp3

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1:05What's up everybody, Thursday evening, I would say happy Thursday evening, but we know what happened earlier today, we're going to talk about it, but before we do, do me a favor hit that like button, hit that subscribe button, if you have not already. Also for those who don't always do YouTube, go to Apple, Apple people, save us from Apple podcasts, nine Apple people, go to spreeker.com and save us there. We're going to be talking about the Ohio State game, Ohio State falls, the TCU today, tough game. We're going to talk about it, obviously a lot of chatter about Jake DiBler's future, we're going to talk about that as well. But also when you send those wonderful super chats, help us to go towards the pay it forward, which is our military and our first responders, we're going to look out for them because they always look out for us, Nevada, Buck, brother, brother, brother, brother, what's up

2:10man? I'm sad, Dave, I can't lie, I'm sad that we lost today, we lost again that we probably shouldn't have lost, but we lost it nonetheless. It's just sad. I'm also sad because this is probably the last basketball show that we're going to do for 2026. From here on out, we're just going to be football, football, football, which is great, which I love talking about, but the butt guy season ended a little too prematurely for me today and just sad, you know, you being the ex great player that you were, I'm more interested in your thoughts initially, because I've read the Twitter verse and the Ohio State fan base on the board thought and for some reason, you know who's going to allow the iron who's catching a lot of the flack of the game is Kristoff Tilly for some reason, which is I find absolutely bizarre because I actually thought he played pretty good today and other than

3:13mobile, you clearly was our best player. I thought Tilly might have been our second or at least third best player, but for some reason, he's just catching straight from him and I just wondered when you were watching the game, were you thinking, wow, Kristoff Tilly is killing us or did your thoughts go elsewhere? Well, I mean, the first half was bad. And so Kristoff, Kristoff Tilly, Kristoff Tilly played his part in the bad first half. Is he the worst on the on the floor? No, but he was being goofy and he was being a little soft around the rim, which is something he does. I think he's an okay player. He has some skill for his size, but man, it's just like he needs to play bigger. He needs to be more physical consistently. And I think that some of the people's complain about Tilly finishing around a rim stronger to me. He's too hesitant. He's like, dude, like, he is who he is. He average 11 points a game this year and he scored 10 today.

4:14He averaged four rebounds a game and he had six. He averaged two assists a game. He played better in the second half. He played better in the second half. I'll give you that. I mean, I mean, you know, I just, I just feel like, man, when you're looking for super villains in this game, it's hard to look at somebody who overachieved over their season averages as the problem for the game. I felt the rest were letting them play at an extremely physical game in the first half. And I didn't think that a nerd doe house they'd benefit. I think they let, you know, they let TCU get away with a lot and then at the end of the game, there were some, I felt marginal calls that they called, you know, one, we were up three and they called a three point play. I'm barely any contact an audience thought it was a little incongruent, but yeah, no, I mean, I agree. Yeah, I think I said, Tilly, I mean, to me, I thought the start of the game, you lose a two point game, you have the all time leading score and the history of a house that basketball who averages 20 points a game and he has one basket in the second half of a game where

5:15you're down 15 and a half time. Now that is a problem right there. That is an issue. You can't shoot 33% from the field and score 10 points. One of the all time leading score in a house that history in a game and, you know, you know, Bruce Thornton, I couldn't, I mean, I don't know, was that his worst game ever at a house that may, maybe, I mean, he picked the peculiar, I mean, there's never been a bigger game that he's played worse, you know, I'm saying because I mean, there you go. I mean, I mean, I mean, he's the all time leading score in school history, the all time leading score and he shot 33% from the field and had one basket in the second half. I mean, I don't, but we're talking about pissed off Tilly. I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm just confused to be honest with him. No, let me be clear. I don't agree with the take that Tilly is the number one guy that always Tilly, I don't

6:16agree with that. I think he could have played better in the first half, like, but that's just a carryover complaint from me. I like Tilly, but I don't love Tilly because of the stuff I already mentioned. But that's not the first person I'm calling out is Tilly. I agree. Now let's get to Bruce Thornton and we'll just talk about the game. So obviously, you could see the game plan from TCU. This is nothing new. I mean, teams like all through the schedule blitzed Bruce Thornton double shading, just think about it. We mostly talk about football. So who are you football people? Look at it as a rolling coverage, right? Rolling coverage over to Jeremiah Smith side. Think about it like that. If you don't know basketball that well, it's like when Bruce Thornton get the ball to top of the key, they were keying on him. When he would penetrate, they would shade over. It was like, it had like a, like a diamond, like following him around. If you look at what TCU was doing, the game plan was to take away Bruce Thornton and

7:19make the rest of the guys beat you. That was the game plan. So with that said, to your point, Nevada, it's tough. You don't want to force things and basically plan to the hands and turn the ball over and try to do too much. But you also have to be very, very aggressive when you're, when that, when you pick your spots, when there's a hole or when there's a weakness or there's a lane, you have to attack and when you attack, you have to know how to attack and this is what I mean. I think Bruce got frustrated. He was very frustrated, he was very frustrated. When he did have opportunities later in the game, to me, he made the incorrect play that he normally doesn't make. He's very smart, like going into the body of punch, instead of pulling up for that little 10 foot shot that he can hit so well, he tried to go in and just got swallowed up by punch. And so the game plan frustrated Bruce Thornton, we didn't come out with the same energy. We didn't come out with the same physicality, DCU played, like they've been in the tournament

8:23recent, like they have, they've been in the tournament in the recent years, we have it. We came out like we, you know, like the stage was big. Now, obviously, we adjusted and we settled down and we were right in the game, but that's always hard to overcome that when you're coming out like that. And so it was a lot of the same stuff I saw all year Nevada, but we were able to still fight back, but it just wasn't enough, man. But yeah, to your point, Bruce Thornton, and let me say this last thing, because I love Bruce Thornton. And I was talking to my guys who came by earlier watching the game. Bruce Thornton is a great kid. He's a really good basketball player. He has skill and talent, but I think today showed why, yes, he's the leading score because he's been here for four years. He's been consistent. Great kid. He stayed with Ohio State, but he's not, he's not Michael Red. He's not Mike Conley. He's not Jim Jackson. He's just not to that level because again, even with that attention on him, yes, be patient,

9:28get it to your guys, but you've got to be aggressive and still take over and still overcome that. If you're an elite, like elite Hooper Hooper, Nevada, go ahead. I know you want to jump in. Well, I mean, like there's so many things to say. You know, I know enough about basketball from having played not at the highest levels, but played a lot of basketball in my life. And I haven't coached, not at the highest level, coached a lot of basketball in my life, that it was evident from like the first couple of possessions that Bruce would literally pick up his dribble 30 feet away from the basket and stop and look, and then he would go stand in the corner and they had completely buffaloed and that point, as the head coach, you have to take the ball out of his hands. You have to. And I'm screaming the whole first half and like, get, let mobility, let mobility run the offense. Do not get the ball out of his hands, you know, and the fact that it took an entire half

10:28on something that I literally recognized at 1733 to go in the first, first half, it took it. And once we switched to mobility, we erased a 15 point deficit and went to a five point lead. That's a 20 point swing. How can I just, I don't understand how something that's so obvious took him so long to figure out. I just, I'm, I'm just, I'm really struggling with a, look, if somebody's going to take something away from you, then they're leaving something else open. You don't just keep going into the teeth of that over and over and over again. Because clearly, the authority didn't have it, whether he was frustrated, buffaloed, covered, whatever was going on. Here at the Zebra, research shows the average person would rather endure a root canal than search for auto and home insurance. Just try to relax. Or be trapped in a car for eight hours with toddlers on a sugar high or remove a nest

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12:28Bombas products have been found to boost coziness way up to 1 million percent. Okay, enough fake statistics, but could bombas socks and slippers really be the cure? Go to bombas.com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com and use code audio. You know, I mean, I just, he couldn't beat anybody off the dribbling. I saw, I was saying, I'm like, why are we slowing the game down? Why are we having Bruce Thornton's out there just dribbling to nothing to, you know, eight down on the clock and then running some hurried set and getting some crappy shot up. And you know, you know, I'm saying, I'm like, man, what we have got to attack the rim and I have people saying, oh, we don't attack. Well, how state doesn't it? We don't, that's not what we plan. I'm like, you have to play that way. You cannot let this TCU defense set up against you when you've got the ball. I mean, Bruce Thornton's got to be able, because he's not the biggest guy. He's not Evan Turner. He's not, you know, he's not six foot six. So you've at least got to be able to beat somebody off the dribble. So if you've got the thing, you've got to be able to create something.

13:31I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble a single time today. Not, not once I don't think he beat somebody off the dribble. And that just created all sorts of problems for everybody else on the inside. Nobody else is getting open inside. And frankly, once we switched them all, though, everything switched and I, I, I just don't understand why Jake Dibler, who I, I like Jake Dibler, I want Jake Dibler to be successful. How can you go that long and not see what is obvious to everyone needed to be changed? How can he go that long without, without adjusting? Yeah. And I've seen it. He did. He adjusted, but it was later. Like you said, I saw him starting to bring Bruce off ball and trying to run him through screens and sets to get him loose. Instead of him bringing a ball up court, but it was later. And so I think to ask you a question, I'm not saying this right. But you're thinking he's seen this before. He's your best player, let him work through it, let him make, you know, good

14:31decisions through it and, and press through it. And that's what I think Dibler was thinking. But it just, obviously, it just, it didn't work well. But yes, running the offense through Moby was better, you know, as far as the, the flow of the offense and getting things going. But not just that, I mean, we turned the ball over seven times in the first half and it just was conky. We didn't look in rhythm, TCU looked in rhythm. Now again, to their credit in the second half, they stepped up, started playing much better, you know, started matching that physicality. TCU got a little cold and whatnot, but just came up short. We can, honestly, bro, we could talk about, unless you got more to say about that, we can talk about what everybody's talking about, which is that last 4.3 seconds left and what happened on that play. And I mean, that was, that was rough. That was frustrating. First of all, shout out to Dev before we get into that Nevada.

15:34I agree with you, Dev. He mentioned in the group chat, the group chat that you can't give up that position. Now, by the name of the freshman, he's a, he's a pretty big physical kid. And that TCU kid is no, no slouch. But I agree. You can't let him get that deep in the paint. I thought we played good defense on punch on that play, but that TCU kid was white. He was established deep in the paint. And at that point, I'm just, I'm glad Bynum didn't foul him. But that was just tough, man. Nevada, what you got? Well, you know, yeah, I mean, would I like to have seen Bynum, you know, play a little bit or defense on that. Yeah, but I, you know, I just thought it was a good play by TCU and he was able to wall him off and look, they got a, they got a great shot in that situation. I just, again, from a coaching standpoint, when you're looking at the clock, and you see that there's going to be about a four or four and a half second difference, but if they run it down to the very end, which they did credit to TCU, but given the rules where you can't advance the ball, I'm telling, I'm telling

16:35my guys, you've got to get the ball in balance and you've got to get the ball across half court. And then we call the timeout. You know what I'm saying? Like, like anything you do, you've got to get the ball into the front court. And then you call the timeout. I think, you know, but again, that's, that's the kind of, and that's, this isn't a second guess. This was something I was saying in number 30 seconds, when TCU was setting up their shot, I'm like, you've got to anticipate that and you got to tell them, the guys, look, when this happens, you know, if they score, get it into the front court, let's call time out, let's get something set up, let's run a play. Hard, you know, it was obviously what they were doing. They're coming in hide it till he was going to go back to Thornton and Thornton was going to try to run down and hit kind of an Evan Turner, you know, jumper, but, you know, there's not a lot of great plays when you can't advance the ball to mid court with 4.3 seconds ago. So as much as people want to be mad, I don't, I'm not as mad at him for that play, but I think the set up to that could have been better, you know,

17:35which goes for the whole day. I felt like the entire day, I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of intensity. I didn't feel like we came out with the right kind of defense. I didn't feel like we came out playing the type of game that we really needed to play in order to win, you know, an insidibly, you know, game. It's literally the first game of the tournament and we're out already. And it just, you know, to me, I thought that every one of Jake Debeler's deficiencies were on display today as a head coach. And I think his inexperienced show and, you know, for me, who's been somebody who's been, you know, pretty much on the, you know, definitely lit. I think we got to give Debeler more time now. I'm, I'm not sure. I'm really, I think to me, it really depends on who might be available as a potential thing because I, I just, I thought that some of the mistakes he made were just so rudimentary that it really has, it has me questioning, you know, his abilities head coach.

18:36Maybe that's fair, maybe that's unfair, but that's where I'm at. And I hear you, here's the last play. So I think you nailed it to where it's 4.3 seconds and the ball's not advanced. So I was kind of tripped to myself like, some of these takes on, oh, they drew that up. I mean, there's not much you can do. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen team score from this. I mean, it was, it had to be executed perfectly. You know, you got a guy, I, I would have gave it to Moby. In this situation, I think he's faster than a Bruce Thornton and he's a better distant shooter. Like, I would, if you're going to draw that up, I would have drew it up for a mobility. Not only that, but the, the other team is looking for your senior, you're all tightly in score to get the ball and you see there's two guys on them. And so I don't know, that's just me. But yes, I agree that, and I don't even say in hindsight,

19:39but knowing what's coming, knowing you only have one time out left, just signal to your guys, get it across, get it across, you know, that should be something you do in practice. And that's it in that situation. That would have gave them a better chance to come off the screen and get a clean look for three. You know, or even a, or even throw it down low to get a foul or something. But yeah, man, I knew when this happened, it was a rap, barring a miracle, but unfortunate. Now, as far as what you said about Diabler, yeah, I mean, here's the thing I said this before. I don't think Jake Diabler is a bad coach. I think he can be a very good coach. I think he might have been brought into early. I think he's a guy that probably would have had been in a better situation. Success wise, maybe if he was brought in three years after the hope and like he went to a max school, cut his teeth, came back.

20:40He was, he was retained. I think the, the brass saw that he was good with the kids. He's a good coach. He's bright, but today probably show, like you said, his deficiencies that he's still learning. And so, you know, but also I do not want to discount the fact that I'm not going to act like Jake Diabler went into this tournament with a deep roster and a fully loaded NIO clip and all the other stuff. If they're going to keep him, they need to make sure they provide him with everything he needs to get players on this roster, period. Now, I told you all, I just want Buckeye basketball to be a lead. I want Buckeye basketball to compete for championships like under that motto, you know, like how we work consistently, sweet 16 or you know, like in the tournament elite. That's what I want. If that's getting rid of Diabler, okay, but who are we going to get?

21:40And that's not a question saying we shouldn't. I'm just saying it better be somebody good. We better put the full resources that we have for this basketball program behind them. Period. I don't care who it is. Diabler or somebody else, that's something we need to step up with is making sure we put more intentional emphasis into this program because I want to be fair. Diabler is is, you know, he may say he's made mistakes. He may be early into his blessing and arrived a little early, but let's not act like he's had the full support and had a full, you know, deep roster. He hasn't he has no bench. So to me, we got to look at both sides, but either way, I want to fix the question is, is Diabler, is this going to be looked at by the brass Nevada by the Buckeye, you know, administration as, hey, we made progress. We won the most big 10 games. We wanted four seasons. We made the tournament for the first time.

22:42The players like him, they respond to him. We got a McDonald's all American coming next year. Let's keep building this. Let's add more. I mean, is that how they're going to look at it? Probably. I don't think he's going to get fired. Regardless of what we say, what we think, I think they're going to keep him for another year at least. That's just my opinion. But Nevada, what you got on all that? Well, I mean, I guess the question I asked is like, I'm world hire state. And you can talk about the roster and I get that. But like, do you think high point has a better roster than we do? You know, I mean, you know, I honestly don't know high points. But I'm going to say no. But yeah, I mean, because high points certainly didn't have the resources that we do or the reputation or the recruiting base or, you know, I'm saying none of that. But, you know, they managed to put together team and, you know, beep was kind. And I know it's one game and everything else like that. But it's just, you know, you just wonder, you know, are you getting better? Are you getting worse? You know what I'm saying? And I think for Ohio State, you're a pro at running your life at committing to your workout.

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24:45Bombas makes socks, slippers, tees, and underwear made with the highest quality materials. Press 1 for comfort. 2 for style. 3 for donation. You chose style. Bombas are styles for whatever you enjoy. You can run in bombas, lounge in bombas, dress them up, dress them down, but always give back in bombas because with every item purchased, another is donated. Bombas. Comfort worth calling for. Bombas dot com slash audio and use code audio for 20% off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com and use code audio. You know, I guess we're marginally better than we were last year. But you know, is deeper the guide, you know, are you, are you delaying the inevitable? You know, are, do you see J.G. Blurk? Yeah. I mean, I guess the question would be, like, do you think J.G. Blur will be the head coach here to house eight and five years or 10 years? You know what I mean? Do you think he's got that kind of longevity? And I know it's kind of an impossible question to answer. It's all hypothetical, but you know, it's, it's one of those things where, you know, I,

25:46I just don't, I don't know and, and, you know, I, like I said, I, I, I'm willing to ride with a lot of things regarding, you know, at the end of the day, I'm, I'm a big believer in, you know, it's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and Joe's and the, and they've got to do, you know, they've got to perform. But in basketball of all the games, man, the coaches have such an impact because they, they affect everything on in-bounds plays on rotations, on, you know, with switching defense. And there's all sorts of things that the coaches directly impact on almost a possession, a possession basis. And so, you know, a coach is just so, so important to your success. I just don't know if Debra can be, I, I, like I said, I'm, I'm really struggling with the fact that Debra took that long to get them on to Moby's hands. I mean, I, I get, you know, trying to play, but if, if, if the thing about what you said of everything you're saying, you're just, they're playing two guys over the top on under,

26:49shaking the entire defense, they're playing a triangle over the top. I mean, then how do you have that guy to just keep running into that mass front over and over and over again? When you've got, you know, a player mobily who can get it done, you know, I'm saying like that he's, he's a guy, he's a viable option. It's all like he hasn't done it with the ball on his hands, you know, so far this year. I just don't know how it could take Debra that long to figure that out. That, that's the thing that's kind of confounding me way more of the so than the, you know, the play design on the last play or, you know, should we have stayed in his own defense or any of the other, or even his fortations, I mean, even, you know, getting cut in there and doing some of the things that he did, I just, I don't know, I mean, you know, I'm the last play again. Do you give it to mobily who, at least or do you give it to the guy who's three of mine from the floor? I, you know, I don't know, you know, any, any option you had was bad in that one, 4.3 seconds. It's amazing. We've all seen the, the Christian late nerthing and we, you know, look, I know it can happen,

27:54but it's hard. It's, it's really, really hard and it, you know, it's a, it's a low, it's a low percentage play no matter, no matter, you know, how you go about it. So, but I don't know, I, I, let me put you, if I'm on high state, I am definitely working to fall into see who's available and working to see if there is an upgrade for it because I think you're really at an inflection point with the program right now. And if you're going to make a move, I think this is the time to make it, I don't, I don't think, so if you're not going to keep them long term, then I think you get rid of them now. Okay. I think you just cut your losses and, and move on. Yeah. Question is, will they do that? I just don't know. I'm not confident they will. And I'm showing this clip also because look at the aggression from going back to what we talked about with Bruce Thorden. Look at the, look at the, the, the lack of hesitant, like he just, he just, I wish Bruce in this game because again, they were all over him.

28:56They were, they were trying to take him out of the game. I get that. But as a star player, the captain of your team, boom, he did not hesitate. Pull it up. Like it was needed. Like, boom, like that was a big bucket for him. That's what your leadership be doing. And to me, I feel like early in the game, I don't know if it was frustration. I don't know what it was, but you got to find a way. Yes, you want to be patient. Somebody's open. If they're doubling you, make the right play. I get all of that. But you also have to pick your spots and be aggressive. And to me, this, he did not hesitate. He pulled up in his face and stroked it. Boom. Like that was needed throughout the entire game. To really set the tone and lead your team. But anyway, yeah, Nevada, I mean, listen, I hear you. You mentioned a high point.

29:57I mean, look, we smashed Wisconsin to by 17. I wasn't that high on Wisconsin. I had them losing the next round anyway. And shoot. Sienna gave Duke all they can handle today. This tournament, you better come ready. You better be ready to play. I don't care how deep your roster is. It's like every year we get, we get reminded of how, how big this tournament is. And you see little teams take out big teams and 12s, take out fives and whatever. But I don't know Nevada. I mean, the question for me is what is Bjork in this administration going to do? I'm not pounding the table to keep dealer. I'm saying, okay, if you get rid of dealer, you better be on the phones and find someone who is like, hey, yo, this is a stud coach. I want that. I don't want to, you know what? He might be okay. No. If you fire dealer, go get somebody. Be aggressive like you would be a football. And go get somebody that says this is a home run higher.

30:57And this is just it. Nevada. Do you think they can do that? Because to be honest with you, Nevada, before you jump in, I'm not as confident. And this administration to do that in basketball, as I am in football, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I just don't know. Well, I just give you a fun fact. It'll fun stat. And just and then I'll give it back to your question. Do you know that Bruce Thornton hit the, his first three point of the game in 33, in 33 seconds into the game. And then hit his last three pointer with 33 seconds left in the game. And between that period in time, between that period of time, he had one basket. Good Lord. But between the first race between 33 seconds and last. So in the last in 39 minutes, he had one basket. Yeah.

31:57You know, you know what I'm saying? I just can't happen. That can't happen. No. No, no. Look, I mean, 39 minutes at one basket and two free throws. That's all, that was it. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like, can Oh, how's they do it? Absolutely. I mean, like, Oh, how's they just signed nadine muzzle roll? They're hockey coach to a new five year contract. Keeping her away from Minnesota. I mean, they, Oh, how's they can do whatever they want? And basketball, basketball is not in a relevant sport. We're not talking about, you know, archery. Or, you know, fencing or something like that. Or, you know, women's lacrosse. We're talking about basketball. I mean, it's a revenue sport. It's a sport where you actually make money. If you've got a decent team, there's no reason they shouldn't have, you know, they've got great facilities. They've got a great recruiting base. They've got a great reputation. They've got a history of success in recent success. So to me, I think they've got to be working the phones, going after it and trying to see what's available. Because, you know,

32:57I want to see what options they might have for this. Yeah. I mean, they should do their due diligence for sure. Like I said, to me, well, first of all, I agree, obviously basketball is not football, but it's not, I don't know, rifle. Are they actually one national championships at a house state or good too? But you get my point. Talk about revenue. Like, I get that. I understand that. But to me, I haven't seen a ton of evidence in the past years to show that they're putting as much emphasis on the basketball program. So I'm skeptical hippo with them actually making a splash like that. I don't think it's impossible. You sure they can. But will they? That's my question. And here's a Bruce Thornton walking off the court, dejected. Last game, and all that man sucks. And it was a, it was an emotional roller coaster today.

33:57We're down 15 out to half. I'm thinking. I kept saying to my people, it boring a small miracle. This game is over, which I still stand by that. Because to me, I was being able to come back like we did with a small miracle because we just, we were just bad in that first half. But then, you know, the roller coaster, go back up and then. Can crashing down at the end. And it was very frustrating. Very sad. But this is what's been going on with this program. Past four years, the first time in a tournament in the past four years is tough in itself. So I don't know, man, Nevada, that's going to be the question mark for me. What are we going to do? Are we going to keep Jake? If we keep Jake, what are we going to do to step up with NIL funds, portal, you know, make sure we bring guys in here, not, not mid guys, but high level guys that can come in and play

34:58and make a big impact. And, and all that. So, that's the question. I mean, you know, that's pretty much it at the end of the day, Nevada. What else you got? Yeah. Now, I think, I'm going to go with my final answer being, I think Ohio State is going to be looking. I'm going to be definitely testing the, the lines with the, with the agents that know about this stuff, whether or not Ohio State is really looking forward. But I, I just, I think something like this. I mean, I think, I think Ohio State fans, you saw it from the, I mean, Ohio State fans really want to support the basketball team. They really want to get behind the basketball team. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. Um, I think I saw Billboard years recently that said that 20 billion won. 20 billion is insane number.

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36:58and be your best you all year round. Please visit mentallyhealthynation.org to learn more. But, you know, something like this where, you know, you're right, the first half, it looked like we were completely outclassed by TCU, you know, in every way. And again, they were up 15 and I felt like it could have been higher than that. But, you know, we managed to take a five-point lead in the second half and then, you know, you, you, you know, to have, I feel like it was our, it was our lack of experience. And, and I mean, I gotta say it, coaching. I really think coaching costs us today. I think if we had a more experienced coach, we would have won the game today. I think it would be a bad map, a bad mod. Even if we, I think it would be a consultant, I think we'd won the game for that. But, you know, that, again, that's hypothetical, you know, we'll never know. But I, I, I, I thought, I thought deeper was really bad today.

37:59And I, and I've ruined it for I like deeper. I, you know, I like that, I love that love's brother. I want deeper to be it, but I just, I'm trying to think about, you know, even our in-bounce play, you know, like, one thing he'd been really making his bones on is how many, you know, how often we'd scored off of in-bounce plays and stuff. And I, I didn't even like our in-bounce plays. I didn't, I just, I didn't like our offensive sets. I didn't like the way we were doing it. Just, it, nothing seemed to make sense. And, you know, you know, it just kind of all, you know, criticized them. So I'm going to go, my final answer is going to be, Ohio State's going to be looking, but I'm going to, I'll, I'll know here the next 24, 48 hours of their, if they're making calls, because this is, this is when they start making them. It's right now. Yes. I was going to say, please, holler at your sources, because I want to know, I want to know, you know, because again, I just, my confidence is through the roof, with Ohio State football doing whatever it takes to keep the beast going. I'm not a confident in Buckeye basketball. I'm just not. So, yes,

39:00please keep us posted on that Nevada. But before we close out, I did want to bring out one thing that's non-basketball related. I thought was very interesting. Nevada, I'm going to share my screen, real quick. And the chat, tell me if you all heard about this, because it's tournament time. And I think this is kind of like, just kind of flying under the radar. But did you all see, the incident that proves change is the targeting, suspension in one year trial. So, here it is. For at least one season, a targeting penalty will no longer automatically take a college football player off the field for the following game. The Division I football bowl, the subdivision oversight committee on Thursday approved a one-year trial rule that gives a player a break for his first targeting penalty. For the 26th season, a player disqualified for targeting for the first time in the season can participate in the following game. The trial rule will apply regardless of which half the targeting penalty is caught.

40:00A player who draws a second targeting penalty of this season will be required to sit out the first half of the next game. A player who draws his third targeting of the season must sit out the full following game. And then it notes that there were no players that were disqualified for targeting three times in the 2025 season. So, to me, this is low-key significant because we've been talking about the targeting rule. I know Joe Klatt has hated it. He's been pounding the table. Others have mentioned it. I thought this was interesting. Okay, so I wanted to quickly touch on this before we bang out of here. Nevada, what's your thoughts on this, brother? Well, first of all, I hate the targeting rule period. So, let me just say, you know, let me explain to you with the fundamental flaws in targeting. Targeting was set up to deal with the most egregious types of hits. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's like that old saying by Justice Potter. They asked him

41:00the definition of pornography and he goes, I know it when I see it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's kind of a targeting. Like, we know it when we see it. Like, so if you have a hit and I'm, you know what I'm talking about. You, you've been in a house they fan, you know, for like, you know, when we see guys get disqualified for games for hits where, at the last second, a quarterback ducks his head and a shoulder pad hits him the side of the, you know what I'm saying? Something like that. That, that to me is not targeting. Until, so until they, like the intention that they're trying to make the penalties less punitive on this stuff. But, I think until they deal with the entire rule. And I think the problem is with the, when you slow everything down to slow motion. Okay. In slow motion, there's head contact at almost every single play. You know what I'm saying? Some part of your body is going to make contact with the other person's head on 90% of the,

42:00you know what I'm saying? Like, like, it's the bottom line of what's going to, and it can't, it could be your forearm, it could be your hand. It could be your shoulder. It could be your wrist. Something's going to make contact with the head or neck area on just about every play. So when you're slowing it down like that and they're going to, doing the review like that. I really think it's just got to be, I've always felt like there should be like two penalties. Like one for the most egregious ones and another should be a five yard. of the rule in general, the way that they do it. Because I think about that, that game that we played against Clemson, when we got the remember, we got the targeting penalty on the, on the side way, on the, on the, on the, on the sack of forever. Like to me, there is no way in the world that is targeting, but that got called for targeting. And so until you address that, to me, that's way worse than this stuff about first penalty, second penalty, one in the third period, one game, half game, no game,

43:01whatever, I just hate the rule period. And, you know, until they change that, then, you know, I don't know where to go with that. I mean, what do you think about targeting? How do you feel about the application? And how do you feel about how the rules been, been called in recent years? I mean, you, you kind of just spoke my mind. And you brought up that shine weight targeting penalty to me is the chair. Like, it's, it's the crown jewel of terribleness when it comes to targeting. And it's no, it's not just because I'm a Buckeye fan. He dropped his head sunshine, dropped his head right at the moment when shine weight was coming. If he doesn't drop his head, they don't call targeting. And they still shouldn't have called target because it wasn't targeting. Like, to me, there has to be common sense to it. You review it. You see all the player dropped his head. Like, come on, man. Like, listen, I, one thing I do agree with Joe clap is it's a, it's a, it's a, the rule is terrible because it's so subjective.

44:04You can have a guy do one thing and get caught and then another guy and another game through the same thing I get caught. So listen, you spoke my mind. I don't really have much else to say. You're, you're right on it. But that shine weight play against Clemson. That was so trash and that's still hot to me is like two, two plays in that game are like the worst plays in my Buckeye fandom. Of officiating. So, yeah, I'm kind of happy to see that they're not getting. Go ahead. No, I know the second one was the Akuda one. We're, you know, on the, on the, on the, the, the fumble recurring. Yeah, which, which is the worst column in the history of calls. But I think it goes to a more basic thing. This is something we've talked about before, but it's, it's about replay. And you know, replay was set up to reverse indisputable video evidence of air on the field. Indisputable, meaning no two reasonable people could draw different conclusions from watching the same tape.

45:04I feel the same way should be with target. If it's not so clear and obvious. You can't call targeting, you know, with review, review should not be, I think, or, oh, yeah, that looks like, or yeah, that appears to be, it should only be black and white. I think targeting should only be black and white. I think review should only be black and white. And, and I think too many times the review official, the guy, they want to get involved. They want to make the big call. They want to do the thing. And I just think until they change that until they get the application right, I think it should be the same standard. Indisputable video, it should have to be, it's indisputable video evidence of targeting. Like, there's no question in your mind. It shouldn't be, well, yeah, that, that kind of looked like that. Or, wow, he did come and drop his head. And there's any doubt. It shouldn't be a penalty. That's just where I'm at. And that's how I feel about review, about replay. And you know, I've been saying that for years about replay.

46:04Yep, you have, you've been consistent with replay. And so, I agree. I mean, I, I don't dislike this one year trial. I think it's cool that guys aren't. I think it predict, predicts guys from bad refereeing, so that they don't get ejected for a half a game. You're best player because of a bad call. So I like that. Now what's going to happen after that? We'll see. But I thought that was interesting in the midst of the NCAA tournament. I thought that was a significant piece of information to update. So definitely wanted to run that by one, but listen. Tough day did not end the way we wanted it to end. It is what it is. We'll see how the future holds with Devler and what Ohio State does. And all that. And we'll absolutely. Keep you up on that. But spring practice is back next week. We'll get on that. And we're always going to hit you with content and coverage. All things. Buckeye football basketball, whatever's relevant.

47:04We're going to hit you with any last words. Nevada for behalf of here. Well, yeah. Now that. I mean, look, we can officially kind of close the book on. Buckeye basketball. You know, obviously they'll, you know, kind of work on. Get ready for it. For next year. I'm interested to see who they, you know, they return. Who they get in the portal. What's going on with that? But. You know, hey, Buckeye football is going. And we're going to have it. We're going to have a scrimmage next weekend. And that, that'll be those are always fun. Because then we really get to see been the ball trip line. For sure. And Tom G sent a super chat. Thanks for the one and I got to go. This program needs a caliperio patino. So yeah, we're going to see. We are going to see. I agree. We deserve an elite coach. Or, you know, are we. Can divler be an elite coach three, four years from now? Maybe. Is it worth waiting to see? I don't know. Either way.

48:04We, you know, is we going to see in Nevada. I'm waiting here for your contacts, your agent folks to see was really going on. But, you know, time will tell. I will tell. What do you think about those names, caliperio patino? I know he doesn't mean literally them. But it looks like he's saying this program needs a caliperio patino type coach. Would you think about that? Well, I, you know, I wouldn't mind somebody who's from stature. I wouldn't even mind somebody who's from stature in some bag. If I don't, that, that stuff doesn't bother me. I think. I think all of college basketball recruiting is the little crooked. And people can say what they want about that. But that's just the way that I feel. I feel like I, I know that industry will enough to know how dirty that is. So if they had to get somebody with some, that's that, I don't have a problem with it. Either that or you know, you, you go with the last honest man, the last honest man in coaching. You know, you get. From the cheese it to get B Moses. You, you get B Moses. And you bring him in there. And you're like, look, we're going to go with ethicalness. We're going to go with you. You're kind of coach Carter.

49:04You can put like, hey, you're like my reputation's up there on the wall. There are guys. I'm just putting them up there and. Can lead us to victory. Like you did the cheeses. I mean, cheeses came together like this year. They were like a, like a disperited group. They come up there and you molded them into champions. They all woke up the cheeses when at the end of the day. You know, so. They're definitely cheeses at the end of the day. Do I have my cheesy graph? Or is my cheesy graph? I didn't upload it here. Did I? I didn't get. I wanted to share it. I might have to upload it. Oh, no, there it is. There it is right here. I don't know. Did it pop up? Oh, there you go. That is good. That's got to be. That's got to be a Halloween cop. That's got to be a Halloween costume. That is bad to be a Halloween costume. Oh, man, that is hilarious. I'm available though. I'll tell you what. I would recruit well. I know how talk to the young boys.

50:04Young boys. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You got to open up with them a little bit out there. They say, hey, play a little one-on-one there. And if I beat you, then you come to our stage. Then you commit. Deal sign. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go watch it. I'm thinking. I'm thinking more like blue chips or something like that. You're like the Nick Nolte. Are you like. That's the number you say reflected Share your conversation.

51:06I want to give it. Silence. That's a super fragile Steven tractors. I'm going out there in the form. Happy was the name happy was the blister's name. Dropping bags off and tractors and. I mean, it had to really hard away shacka who's the white boy with the jumper that had the execution. Forget his name from Indiana. You were getting Indiana, right? So we always go all for the tangent. But listen, listen, it's all good, man. We love doing this. It's fun today sucked, but it is what it is. We still got football. We still got football, y'all, we got it. We gonna be good. So anyway, that's my last words. And listen, until next time, we love your Buckeye School Family Buckeye Nation. Go Bucs, as always, peace. Here's the truth.

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